Sleeping Pills

[Doctor mj]

Ok i think i have insommia (sp?) so I've been taking these sleeping pills, My friend seen the package of the sleeping pills and thought i was like a druggie.
WTF is up with that, Its legal and helps me sleep, I havent smoked up in a while so i guess i cant sleep because of the withdrawal? dont know, but anyone else use sleeping pills to aid themselves to sleep?

[benagain]

I have on occation, but you're not supposed to use them on a regular basis. A pack of unisom will last me months. One little pill taken before bed when I haven't been sleeping well and really need a good rest makes a big difference on those long days.

[moeburn]

I used to use them, the same chemical as Benadryl but i forget what it was called, they were the tylenol ones.

Watch out, they're also an SSRI. They elminate dreams, and they're an antidepressant, so they have immediate mental effects as well as withdrawal effects. Not difficult to quit, just don't make a habit.

[Doctor mj]

what do u mean by mental effects?

[halo]

Be careful. I know this girl who is very addicted to them. They are addictive.

[acrca]

i used to take nyquil just for my insomnia i dont so much anymore i trust weed more :stoned:

[T®auma]

if i cant sleep i just smoke a bit.

[Doctor mj]

The problem with smoking and going to sleep,
Is that im usually too high to even sleep and end up doing other things and then burn out after 2 hours and realize ive been up for a long time when i should of been asleep 3 hours ago

[acrca]

The problem with smoking and going to sleep,
Is that im usually too high to even sleep and end up doing other things and then burn out after 2 hours and realize ive been up for a long time when i should of been asleep 3 hours ago

thats why you burn three hours before you go to bed :p

[robert42]

hi docotormj

have u ever heard of ST Johns Wort? Or H-TP?

i suffered from insomia a few years back i didnt have much sleep in 5 months! i was like a zombie untill i took St Johns Wort a natural pill that helps with anxiety, depression and sleep. it works great, 5-htp works the same way, 5-htp turns into serotinin (the thing that makes you happy) in your brain.

they work great and u can buy them anywhere try them.

sleepin pills are junk, go natural

all the best
ROB

[akornpatch]

BIG FAT BONG LOAD OF INDICA...THAT'S ALL YOU NEED. FUCK THE CHEMICALS.

[moeburn]

hi docotormj

have u ever heard of ST Johns Wort? Or H-TP?

i suffered from insomia a few years back i didnt have much sleep in 5 months! i was like a zombie untill i took St Johns Wort a natural pill that helps with anxiety, depression and sleep. it works great, 5-htp works the same way, 5-htp turns into serotinin (the thing that makes you happy) in your brain.

they work great and u can buy them anywhere try them.

sleepin pills are junk, go natural

all the best
ROB

Shit man, 5-HTP is more addictive than Benadryl.

[birdgirl73]

Moeburn, neither Benadryl nor 5-HTP are physically addictive substances. Benadryl's an antihistamine, and 5-HTP is an amino acid. They're not substances people can become dependent on unless they do so psychologically.

[moeburn]

Moeburn, neither Benadryl nor 5-HTP are physically addictive substances. Benadryl's an antihistamine, and 5-HTP is an amino acid. They're not substances people can become dependent on unless they do so psychologically.

Benadryl is ALSO a seratonin reuptake inhibitor, an anti-depressant. I know people who can't/refuse to quit anti depressants.

5-HTP is the precursor to seratonin. I've become dependant on it before.

[birdgirl73]

Moeburn, please call a pharmacist to confirm this if you don't believe me. Someone's given you some incorrect information or you have some drug names confused. I easily confirmed this with two pharmacology books and with my medical school pharmacology reference sites.

Benadry is only an antihistamine and has nothing to do with the class of drugs called selective serotonin reuptake inhibitors. Benadryl/diphehydramine has been around for much longer than SSRIs and works in a completely different way from those antidepressants. It's much safer to take, in fact.
http://www.medicinenet.com/diphenhydramine/article.htm

SSRI antidepressants are relatively new when compared to Benadryl. They include Prozac, Paxil, Zoloft, Effexor, Celexa, and Cymbalta. Several of these can indeed be hard to stop taking. But trust me. Benadryl isn't one of these. Any physician or pharmicist will confirm this for you. The link below will show you both the brand names and chemical names for these drugs, some of which end in -ine just like diphendyramine, which may be why you think they belong to the same class of drugs.
http://mentalhealth.about.com/cs/psychopharmacology/a/ssris.htm

It's true that 5-HTP is a precursor to serotonin.

[tootsie roll]

Ok i think i have insommia (sp?) so I've been taking these sleeping pills, My friend seen the package of the sleeping pills and thought i was like a druggie.
WTF is up with that, Its legal and helps me sleep, I havent smoked up in a while so i guess i cant sleep because of the withdrawal? dont know, but anyone else use sleeping pills to aid themselves to sleep?


I'm getting ready to take some myself. 10mg of ambien. I can't sleep without some help these days. My schedule is far from "normal" according to my husband. He's already been asleep for a couple of hours. There are times I actually go to bed like an hour before he gets up for work.

If you need em, use em. But if the problem is ongoing, get to the doc and be properly medicated.

[tootsie roll]

hi docotormj

have u ever heard of ST Johns Wort? Or H-TP?

i suffered from insomia a few years back i didnt have much sleep in 5 months! i was like a zombie untill i took St Johns Wort a natural pill that helps with anxiety, depression and sleep. it works great, 5-htp works the same way, 5-htp turns into serotinin (the thing that makes you happy) in your brain.

they work great and u can buy them anywhere try them.

sleepin pills are junk, go natural

all the best
ROB


I've heard about St. Johns Wort but not 5-htp. Can I get that at gnc?
I'm willing to give it a try. I'll ask my doc. if I can use them with my meds.

[Euphoric]

I USE SLEEPING PILLS JUST THOSE OVER THE COUNTER BLUE PILLS (I LIKE TO THINK OF THEM AS THE BLUE PILL FROM THE MATRIX SOMETIMES IF IM BORED) TAKE 2 OF THEM AND I SLEEP FOR LIKE A DAY. i think i will do that nowzzzx :glugglug:

[moeburn]

Moeburn, please call a pharmacist to confirm this if you don't believe me. Someone's given you some incorrect information or you have some drug names confused. I easily confirmed this with two pharmacology books and with my medical school pharmacology reference sites.

Benadry is only an antihistamine and has nothing to do with the class of drugs called selective serotonin reuptake inhibitors. Benadryl/diphehydramine has been around for much longer than SSRIs and works in a completely different way from those antidepressants. It's much safer to take, in fact.
http://www.medicinenet.com/diphenhydramine/article.htm

SSRI antidepressants are relatively new when compared to Benadryl. They include Prozac, Paxil, Zoloft, Effexor, Celexa, and Cymbalta. Several of these can indeed be hard to stop taking. But trust me. Benadryl isn't one of these. Any physician or pharmicist will confirm this for you. The link below will show you both the brand names and chemical names for these drugs, some of which end in -ine just like diphendyramine, which may be why you think they belong to the same class of drugs.
http://mentalhealth.about.com/cs/psychopharmacology/a/ssris.htm

It's true that 5-HTP is a precursor to serotonin.


In the 1960s (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1960s) it was found that diphenhydramine (trade name Benadryl (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Benadryl)) inhibits (http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Reuptake_inhibitor&action=edit) reuptake (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reuptake) of the neurotransmitter (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neurotransmitter) serotonin (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Serotonin). This discovery led to a search for viable antidepressants (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antidepressant) with similar structures and fewer side effects, culminating in the invention of fluoxetine (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fluoxetine) (Prozac), a selective serotonin reuptake inhibitor (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Selective_serotonin_reuptake_inhibitor) (SSRI). A similar search had previously led to the synthesis of the first SSRI zimelidine (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zimelidine) from chlorpheniramine (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chlorpheniramine), also an antihistamine.

nya nya.

[IanCurtisWishlist]

fuck antihistamines. if you take enough you might have a really weird trip.. keep it au natural and take 1 melatonin before bed and wake up feeling like you got some sleep. when i take antihistamines to sleep i wake up feeling like i took a handful of fucking quaaludes or something.

[Breukelen advocaat]

fuck antihistamines. if you take enough you might have a really weird trip.. keep it au natural and take 1 melatonin before bed and wake up feeling like you got some sleep. when i take antihistamines to sleep i wake up feeling like i took a handful of fucking quaaludes or something.

I would take melatonin if it were eaier to find low dosages, - newer research has shown that less is better. .25 mg is a good amount, but most of the brands are much higher.

As for using an antihisamine for sleeping, I don't think that you're supposed to take enough to "have a really weird trip". All I take is one pill, Diphenhydramine HCI 25 mg., and that's enough to go to sleep. I haven't had any quaaludes in decades, but I remember that they were MUCH stronger than this OTC allergy medicine - at least for me.

[birdgirl73]

Hey, Moeburn. I'm not so old a dog I can't learn some new tricks. And I'd love to know your source on that quote about Bendryl leading to the invention of fluoxetine. I want to show it to our pharmacology professor and find out why that's not in our med school pharmacology info. If I can show him the source, I can ask him about it. So if you're not too busy sticking your tongue out at me, please share that with me. And be prepared to hear what I expect will be his response: that just because one chemical affected serotonin reuptake and led to the discovery of another different chemical doesn't mean they're the same drug or in the same category at all. Just a hunch. Another hunch tells me that you're probably firmly entrenched in your belief that they are identical chemicals, which is fine, since I rather doubt you'll ever be prescribing them to others.

Seriously, I'd like your source of that quote. Thanks!

[moeburn]

Hey, Moeburn. I'm not so old a dog I can't learn some new tricks. And I'd love to know your source on that quote about Bendryl leading to the invention of fluoxetine. I want to show it to our pharmacology professor and find out why that's not in our med school pharmacology info. If I can show him the source, I can ask him about it. So if you're not too busy sticking your tongue out at me, please share that with me. And be prepared to hear what I expect will be his response: that just because one chemical affected serotonin reuptake and led to the discovery of another different chemical doesn't mean they're the same drug or in the same category at all. Just a hunch. Another hunch tells me that you're probably firmly entrenched in your belief that they are identical chemicals, which is fine, since I rather doubt you'll ever be prescribing them to others.

Seriously, I'd like your source of that quote. Thanks!

http://www.psychosomaticmedicine.org/cgi/content/full/61/5/591
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diphenhydramine


With the ethylamine core, it also has atropine-like effects to block the muscarinic effects of acetylcholine (mAChR antagonist) and is a serotonin reuptake inhibitor. The former actions are well known. The latter may surprise you, but that is a tale later in the history of the development of selective serotonin reuptake inhibitors (SSRI).

You're right though, diphenhydramine is not strong enough to produce SSRI effects on its own. The association of it to SSRI's still bugs me though, because I have bad personal and family history with that class of drugs.

[moeburn]

Substituted Methoxyethylamine (Diphenhydramine, Benadryl®)
compared beside
Substituted Phenoxyphenylpropylamine (Fluoxetine, Prozac®)

http://www.psychosomaticmedicine.org/cgi/content/full/61/5/591/FIG7

[birdgirl73]

http://www.psychosomaticmedicine.org/cgi/content/full/61/5/591
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diphenhydramine
You're right though, diphenhydramine is not strong enough to produce SSRI effects on its own. The association of it to SSRI's still bugs me though, because I have bad personal and family history with that class of drugs.
Thanks, Moeburn! Glad to have those links.

Yep, I just really hated the side-effects I experienced when I tried Effexor some years ago, and I had similar side effects with Paxil. Since then, I've avoided those drugs completely. I generally have classic wintertime depression (seasonal affective disorder) when the days get short and there's not enough light. But these days I use full-spectrum light bulbs and daily exercise. I just don't ever want to put up with that yucky, subdued, flattened feeling I had on SSRIs again. It was miserable, and then to top that off, they're hard to get off of. I know a good many people for whom they've worked well and don't think everyone should rule them out, but for me, they're not the answer. Plenty of light and exercise seem to help me get through the winter months just fine--and no side-effects.

Take care, Moeburn. And thanks again for the links.

[someuser]

Well, I admit I didnt read through every post here... But sleeping pills are my 'speciality'. OTC stuff is all shit... Whether it is Tylenol PM, allergy med, or whatever, if it is OTC it is just an antihistamine (diphenhydramine hydrochloride)... Ok to-a-point.

I prefer benzos... Xanax is my fav but I also buy Versed online (most powerful benzo that is usually used as an IV sedative before surgery but can be bought in pill form). Anti-psychotics can also do the trick but they can be pricey and a lot of them react to a lot of other drugs (dont want to mix em with the wrong shit).

The thing to be aware of with any med is tolerance. That is why I alternate between Xanax (benzo), Versed (benzo), Seroquel (Anti-psychotic), and diphenhydramine hydrochloride based products OTC. Add a little ganja and alcohol and you're in for a great night sleep :)

[Tesupo]

I am right now on my 7th day on taking my tollerance break from smoking everyday for 2 years and I too had sleeping problems. I went to bed it would take me a hour or longer to fall asleep where as before when I smoked I would fall asleep within mins. I would take a vitamin called Valerian Root which is a natural sleep pills and melatonin with it and they worked great.. I only used it a couple times cause I wanted my system to naturally get back into the habit during this break and I would avoid the sleeping pills just cause they can be worse then the cannabis when you stop using them.

I would exerise everyday, sweat ALOT so you get rid of the thc much faster and you sleep easier overall.