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Anathema2121

10-01-2006, 07:52 PM

Well, for anyone that read my "It's a girl!" thread, you know about the plants that got stolen, and then the flat of seedlings that was massacred by lack of water :( Out of the 28 seedlings, 5 survived, and here they are :) All 5 plants were transplanted at the same time and were the same size before transplanting. Pretty convincing evidence that transplanting to bigger pots = bigger plants I think.

Th3 sand m4n

10-01-2006, 09:30 PM

good luck that sucks your plants got stolen

LIP

10-02-2006, 02:45 PM

"Pretty convincing evidence that transplanting to bigger pots = bigger plants I think."

Yeah... Bigger roots bigger buds and bigger plants, its obvious isnt it

Anathema2121

10-02-2006, 07:43 PM

"Pretty convincing evidence that transplanting to bigger pots = bigger plants I think."

Yeah... Bigger roots bigger buds and bigger plants, its obvious isnt it

I mean, I knew that plants grew to fit their container, but I didn't think it would make that big of a difference in only like a week. I figured it would take a second before they outgrew the small pots and stopped keeping up, but I was wrong.

faithlessxxx

10-05-2006, 11:14 AM

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Thats not evidence of the pot size. The pot size only makes a difference when the roots have grown enough to be constricted by the pot size, which those haven't. That could more likely be evidence that the big one is a male, or has grown under better conditions, or whatever.

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Anathema2121

10-08-2006, 02:21 AM

Update: Got lots more pics of the girls. Started feeding them 1/4 strength fox farms big bloom & grow big, dosed a little epsom salt too with the watering before last. They really started to take off the past couple days, and check out the stem on the bigger one in the black pot, its already almost the size of my pinky. It sits the closest to the oscilating fan, and it loves the shit out of it.

Pics: First one is that smaller one from the white square that was transplanted. Second one is the big one. 3rd and 4th are them in the room and 5th is the retard.

Anathema2121

10-08-2006, 02:24 AM

More pics: All 5 plants from the side.

Anathema2121

10-08-2006, 02:27 AM

Kittah loves it. Mary Jane (cat) meet mary jane.

bud breath420

10-08-2006, 03:17 AM

lol dude your cat wants the weed

jonnypotseed

10-08-2006, 05:12 AM

what are you using for soil?

Anathema2121

10-08-2006, 05:41 AM

what are you using for soil?

We're using like 3 parts Fox Farms Ocean Forest soil and a 1 part some generic potting soil thats got a good bit of perlite. We started them in rapid rooter plugs but we didn't have the lid for the tray so that kinda sucked. Then we just stuck the 5 that survived out of like 28 in that dirt and they look badass now. I guess it stands to reason that we got the 5 strongest plants out of the 28 seedlings cause the others pussed out just because they didn't have water for like 5 days. At least thats how I rationalize not killing my friend for killing 23 seedlings lol. :rasta: :rasta:

howsyourroof

10-08-2006, 05:46 AM

looks nice

Cornelius

10-08-2006, 08:12 AM

Anathema2121

10-08-2006, 03:22 PM

Dude, it's looking good. I just planted some seedlings into a pot identical to the one belonging to the largest plant, so I am feeling good about my choice heh.

Mary Jane is a fine looking cat, and she seems to know a good thing when she sees it.

Oh, you can get more light on your plants if you put some sort of reflective material right above those CFLs. I used aluminum cans I cut up. A lot of the light is wasted by going up, but with a reflector you can capture a lot more and direct it to your plant.

Those light sockets came with round metal reflectors that work pretty good but we found that we get better light coverage without the reflectors, and all the lights cover part of the plants partially instead of it focusing back down. I guess next time around we'll put the reflectors back on and see if it helps.

Mary jane says high btw.

Anathema2121

10-08-2006, 03:30 PM

Those light sockets came with round metal reflectors that work pretty good but we found that we get better light coverage without the reflectors, and all the lights cover part of the plants partially instead of it focusing back down. I guess next time around we'll put the reflectors back on and see if it helps.

Mary jane says high btw.

Lol, I meant the reflectors focus light on a single plant which is pretty cool, but its actually brighter per plant with all of the partial light from other nearby lights when we took the reflectors off. So we do waste a lot more light but it actually works out brighter for the girls....lol

roadcam

10-08-2006, 05:23 PM

Anathema2121

10-08-2006, 05:37 PM

as to your several killed seedlings, you might suspect the Fox Farm soil ... it killed many of my young ones, before the nursery guy tipped me off ... Fox Farm is super-soil, but it is too 'hot' for some young starts ... immediately after switching to a mild soil, my new seeds took right off ... when they are ready for transplanting into a larger pot, they will go back into the Fox Farm Ocean Forest soil, it really is outstanding soil ... P.S.... better lose the cat, or you will find your plants destroyed, most cats LOVE to eat pot plants ... :smokin:

Lol, yeah we already found both those things out the hard way. She ate a few that germed on a windowsill the first grow we had kinda going outdoors. She's a good girl now and knows better and the plants stay out of her reach except for picture time. As far as the seedlings, we started them in that rapid rooter tray, and thats where they died. The only ones still living in plugs were transplanted to the soil and they all took off :) None of the dead ones ever saw a pot, poor guys. If you look back at my "It's a girl!" thread in the grow lounge you can see those little seedlings. They were started in fox farms ocean forrest soil and they loved it! We had some that it caused a bit of nute burn on the first sets of leaves and they looked kinda shitty but then 2 weeks in they started loving it too. So yeah, I agree, fox farms = too hot for seedlings.

Anathema2121

10-13-2006, 07:17 AM

Well, the one that was the runt is now the monster. Look at the fucking leaves on it. The one that was the biggest still has the most leaves and is fucking dark. Looks like a very strong indica, the other one leans kinda towards sativa. The two ones that look a little alike are showing pre-flowers even though they're under 24 hour light. Both of the pre-flowering ones look weird, like a minature big plant or something, while the other 3 show the same type of standard small plant growth pattern. We're pretty sure the retard is also a hermaphrodite, look at the pics, I'll post ones with the ball and the hair circled. The retard's leaves are kinda purpling at the top, and there is a shitload of leaves very close together, it just grows weird. Also, does anyone know if its possible to pollinate a pre-flower? Cause either that happened on the hermi or the hairs on one pre-flower are just turning red for some other reason? Well, here are the pics check this shit out:

Anathema2121

10-13-2006, 07:24 AM

1st pic: The retard. Check out that crazy rounded edged leaf. See the pre-flowers?

2nd pic: The other weird looking plant. Tis all female, no ball sacks to be found :D

3rd pic: Same one, more flowers.

4th pic: The retard, look at that ball. Its just to the right of the main stem in the crotch about midway up the plant in that clearing. That a male preflower or am I tripping? I saw one that looked a little less ballish with a hair sticking out and I saw a bunch of regular female preflowers too.

5th pic: Also the retard. See the hair turning red? This is on the same plant that has that ball.

Anathema2121

10-13-2006, 07:31 AM

1st pic: The retard. Top angle. Check out that dense bush of leaves coming out the middle, and notice they have a few that are starting to purple? I dunno if its just genetics or some deficiency. This plant just confuses me.

2nd pic: The ex-big one. This is from some "blueberry" midgrade we had that had a few seeds. The big one from the "It's a girl!" thread looked just like this one when it was a baby. Well, we topped it before it got quite this tall.

3rd pic: This one was the runt. Its from that small white square container in the first pics. Once we put it in that big pot, it decided to swell.

4th pic: This one I topped today just for shits and giggles. Will post updates as that plays out.

5th pic: This one is all female. Its forming what looks like secondary tops out of the crotch of the big fan leaves. Pre-flowers everywhere along the main stem and the stems of the secondary top looking parts. I like how this one is shaped, you can see it better in the pics of them in their room.

Anathema2121

10-13-2006, 07:37 AM

All plants will be transplanted this weekend into their final pots. Hopefully this will coincide with the introduction of the 1000 watt hps I've been itching to plug in. All that is left to get is a fan.

Anyone have any input on how big of a fan I need to cool a thousand watt hps in a cool tube effectively?

Anathema2121

10-13-2006, 07:40 AM

Also, if you notice how dark green these are compared to the Its a girl ones, its because we've been feeding them Fox Farm's organic fertilizer system. Right now they get big bloom and grow big once a week, about 1/4 strength with some superthrive every watering. Also, going to start supplementing with Sucanat (organic natural cane sugar) again, it seemed to work wonders for the outdoor plants and I guess we just kinda forgot about it. Stay tuned :rasta:

elway07

10-13-2006, 08:05 AM

yeah that does look just like a male flower pod on the "hermie" in question... Just rip em off it they do not get too bad and you can still yield a good amount... Unless the plant was way over powered by male flowers, I never kill em Good luck.. looking good m8. When you get it under that HPS...big differences will show.. Why are you feeding it bloom and veg nutes at the same time while it is only one or the other part of the gropw. Are you still in veg stage or flowering stage or did I just miss it? Sorry....
good luck

Anathema2121

10-13-2006, 04:17 PM

Big Bloom is just more of a supplement than a fertilizer. According to fox farms during veg its Grow Big and Big Bloom then for flowering its Tiger Bloom & Big Bloom.

Anathema2121

10-15-2006, 06:58 AM

Well, I decided since Sloth has a bunch of little tops on her and plant bondage is secksy, I'd break out the zip ties. I personally like zip ties because they're easy to adjust and you just daisy chain them however long you need. That way you can keep the one that is actually around the plant loose and tighten up the other ones in the chain. Then if you need to extend just cut one off and add a new long one. If you notice in the last pictures, I added one more tie in the middle to keep the other from stressing the upper branches and I bent one of the small tops out from under. I count six tops in that pic, with a few other ones forming in the crotches that are still too small to see, plus the actual top. I <3 you Sloth.:D

Garden Knowm

10-16-2006, 03:32 AM

Your flowering now.. correct?

Anathema2121

10-16-2006, 05:30 AM

Nope, those were all under 24/0 cfl light. But wait...where did they go?:confused:

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Kerplunk

10-16-2006, 05:35 AM

more pics?

Anathema2121

10-16-2006, 05:36 AM

They're bowing at the altar of the 1000 watt HPS cooltube :D 24/0 as of today, going on 18/6 tomorrow and starting another batch of seeds. Since we have one for sure female, we're going to clone the shit out of her once she gets big enough. We plan on doing lots of lst'ing and/or topping to the current ones to keep them manageable and experiment to find what we like while the seedlings catch up. We transplanted into 5 gallon pots today filled with a nice organic potting soil we 22 gallons of with like 2 gallons of perlite and about 5 or 6 cups of dolomite lime worked through nicely. Measured the pH of the soil at a nice 6.5-6.7 in all 5 pots w00t. Temp stays below 80 even with just using that intake fan from the old room to suck air across the cooltube. Ballast is in the attic. Will have a bigger fan soon. Any input is welcome :rasta:

Anathema2121

10-16-2006, 05:39 AM

And yes, the carpet will be gone soon. That dresser will become a clone box with those old CFL's before long.

Zoidberg

10-16-2006, 03:13 PM

Looking good man, they seem to be a bit more advanced than mine at the moment. And under the 1000-watter, I'm sure you'll probably win the race :)

One question, how do you have your cooltube set up? Is the ducting from the ceiling providing cool air for the room? It doesn't looked like it's hooked up to the cool tube.

Anathema2121

10-16-2006, 03:30 PM

The ducting hanging from the ceiling is just attached to an air conditioner duct in the ceiling. Lol, my friend was up there trying to set up the ballast and punched a hole in the ceiling. So instead of it just being shitty luck we decided to add a little more air flow lol. Also, if you look back at my "It's a Girl!" thread in the grow lounge, you can see the little fan we ghetto rigged as an intake fan. Well, now its out outtake fan. We just have one side of the cool tube open, ducting from the other side into the attic, then taped on the back of that shitty 10 dollar fan from wal-mart. It works like a charm, but we will get a bigger fan designed for this later. So far temps haven't climbed above 80, and thats without the exhaust fan for the room we're getting this weekend.

Your plants look a little taller than mine, I think that has something to do with all of mine were stunted for a week with no water. We originally had 28 seedlings.....but yeah, stay tuned, more pics probably thursday or friday. I can't wait for those fucking tops to grow on that one I tied down so I can tie THOSE down.

Anathema2121

10-16-2006, 08:52 PM

Just put in another order for 10 white rhino seeds from the doc. Maybe better luck this go around.

HighSeekerz

10-17-2006, 02:33 AM

Anathema2121

10-17-2006, 07:32 AM

I hope I dont ramble too much on your thread... But, what is that zip tie thing you are doing? Is it a double stemmed plant?

At what level are you keeping the light? Is it raised to take pics or is that the permanent location?

Good luck with the grow!

Look back a page at the bottom to get a better look at the zip ties. One at the bottom of the stem as a counter tie, one in the middle and one at the tip holding it down. Low stress training. Also, we're working the light down, we just didn't want to shock them.

Anathema2121

10-18-2006, 05:31 AM

Er, I was high when I posted that last reply.

I hope I dont ramble too much on your thread...

Ramble away. I want input people, this is really still my first grow :)

But, what is that zip tie thing you are doing? Is it a double stemmed plant?

Its a method of training. I personally like tying down (low stress training) compared to topping. When you top a plant, it takes a week or two to recover and return to full on growth. When you tie a plant down, it never stops growing other than maybe taking 1-2 days to point all its leave back toward the light. Also, tying the plant down makes for a more even canopy, instead of the top part being the only part getting good light, the whole plant gets good light. Just look at the difference in light coverage between the tied plant and the non-tied ones. Check out this badass example of a plant that was LST'd properly inside a rubbermaid container....sea of buds. http://boards.cannabis.com/showthread.php?t=77007

At what level are you keeping the light? Is it raised to take pics or is that the permanent location?

Right now the light is pretty high up because we just moved them in the room and we don't have the ideal outtake fan pulling air across the light. Even with the light that high up temps get right around 76- 80 degrees at plant level, which is where we want it. Any lower and it gets hot. Should have a rediculous fan soon, then the light will be much closer.

Kerplunk

10-18-2006, 01:52 PM

Those plants are looking nice
keep those pictures coming:)

Th3 sand m4n

10-19-2006, 01:36 AM

Man i cant wait to see the buds on these babys :) good work.

Garden Knowm

10-19-2006, 03:51 PM

you have a cool tube.. correct?

why is the light so far from your pants?

cheers

Anathema2121

10-19-2006, 07:30 PM

you have a cool tube.. correct?

why is the light so far from your pants?

cheers

Its lower now, but still pretty far away. We don't have the proper exhaust fan for that light yet, the one we have on it works pretty well but I'd rather risk a little less light than 5 burned plants til we get it fixed. It is a little lower than it was in those pics, we had just finished hanging it and transplanting, hadn't adjusted it yet. Fuckin white rhino seeds need to hurry up and get here.

Should we just start flowering the ones we have and start the rhinos in that old CFL room or keep tying down the old ones til we have giant fucking shrubs and decent sized rhinos?

jamstigator

10-19-2006, 08:43 PM

Looks like you have plenty of room, and you definitely have plenty of light, so considering the size of your 5 tough survivors (not all that big yet), I'd say wait on the White Rhinos and let those survivors get bigger. Unless you're out of pot, in which case, I'd probably flower immediately. But that's just me; I hate being without pot. ;)

Looks very nice, btw! And that thing you thought might be the ball of a male - just looks like a calyx to me, not necessarily a male, just an indicator that that plant is sexually mature now and could be flowered anytime. It still could be a male though. That's another advantage to waiting on the Rhinos to arrive too - if you're patient, the preflowers should eventually spit out hairs or bananas, and then you'll know, without force flowering or flowering just one branch or flowering clones or whatever. I usually just wait until the preflowers tell me the sex, personally, as I am more lazy than I am impatient. ;)

Anathema2121

10-19-2006, 11:10 PM

Looks very nice, btw! And that thing you thought might be the ball of a male - just looks like a calyx to me, not necessarily a male, just an indicator that that plant is sexually mature now and could be flowered anytime. It still could be a male though. That's another advantage to waiting on the Rhinos to arrive too - if you're patient, the preflowers should eventually spit out hairs or bananas, and then you'll know, without force flowering or flowering just one branch or flowering clones or whatever. I usually just wait until the preflowers tell me the sex, personally, as I am more lazy than I am impatient. ;)

Thats the thing, the plant had already shown white hairs out of the little pre-flowers elsewhere on the plant, but the balls didn't look anything like the other pre-flowers. I'm not sure though, we pulled them off and haven't spotted anymore yet, but more female pre-flowers. Check back in about 6 hours, I'll have new pics :D

Anathema2121

10-20-2006, 05:51 AM

Goddamn. They've only been under that light since sunday and I can see a big difference in growth. Plus, my friend decided to tie them all down so I'd quit bitching. :D Oh yeah, that one that started out as the biggest with the dark ass leaves that are fatter and more indica dominant showed sex.....FEMALE:D That makes 3 out of 3 that showed female so far w00t. I'm convinced that sloth is a girl, no more balls, think I was tripping. Anyway, pics as promised:

Pic 1: Leaf from the ex-runt that is now the biggest. Fan leaves are getting big.

Pic 2: Pic of the top from that ex-runt that has bent back toward the light after only being tied like 2 or 3 days now.

Pic 3: Just look at the difference.

Pic 4: Close up of the one I topped. Zoom in fullscreen you can see the dead center stem where I cut, and the two new tops :) My friend is bitching that I should have FIM'ed it, but I was lit when I tried and fucked it up.

Pic 5: Full screen this. This is the first female pre-flower on that big indica dominant plant from "blueberry midgrade" bagseed. I found out that the lens of the digital camera I use is the exact same diameter as the lens of the 3 lens magnifying glass from radio shack....and the camera takes damn good pics.

Anathema2121

10-20-2006, 05:54 AM

Both pics here were taken through the magnifying glass, view them fullscreen as well. One pic is from sloth one is from the other little one. I need to name them all since we don't know strains so I can keep track of which is which.

t_i_p

10-20-2006, 06:14 AM

Plants looking good keep it up. Look foward to seein what type of buds they produce. Also keep me posted on your order for Dr. Chronic I like to know how that truns out as well. Happy Growin.

jamstigator

10-20-2006, 10:42 AM

Now that I can see the plants better, definitely let them grow some more. Your light is great, but you won't use its full potential on smallish plants like that, so I'd let 'em grow some more. Might as well maximize the yield you get for the electricity you're gonna be using! I dunno if you sell anything (not really any of my business whether you do or not), but if that's for personal use, you're gonna be set for a long time when those ladies are done. ;)

Garden Knowm

10-20-2006, 04:00 PM

Careful you do not over feed your plants.. it appears you are reaching a critical point.. those leaves are DARK GREEN!!!

Do you have any brown burnt tips?

cheers

thanks for the pictures!!

Anathema2121

10-20-2006, 04:28 PM

Jamstigator: Yeah, the final verdict is to let the rhinos catch up if the seeds ever come here. We should have at least 3 giant shrubs by then if all else fails :D And nope, not for sale lol, just split 50/50 with my co-grower, but that should still be a grip :stoned:

GK: We're still feeding about a little over 1/4 strength grow big & big bloom (big bloom isn't a flowering fertilizer, its a whole cycle supplement) every other watering (once a week) right now. And the only one with really dark ass leaves is that last one who just showed sex (that "blueberry midgrade"). Its leaves have been dark since before we started feeding, I think its just genetics. All the leaf burns on the plants so far are really from them touching CFLs I'm pretty sure, but thanks for the heads up we'll keep an eye on 'em.

More pics soon, stay tuned :rasta:

Anathema2121

10-21-2006, 08:22 AM

Man, I cut the shit out of my finger trying to do some LST'ing. I was boring a hole in the lip of a pot with my pocket knife that has a locking blade. Somehow the blade came unlocked and my finger closed into it (pics).

Moved the light closer, they are getting water tomorrow, did some more LST'ing and re-arranging of leaves/tops without tying (i used the plants other stems to hold them in place) I can actually see a difference from thursday. Plants are really starting to stink too.

Kittah loves the leaves that fall off or get removed. She's learned not to touch them while they're on the plant though. That ends in an ass-whipping every time.

mrberrys

10-21-2006, 03:25 PM

hey there anathema.. very nice grow you have goin .. thought i would check it out.. make sur no1 steals ur plants this time;).. love your cat by the way.. shes the star of the show

Garden Knowm

10-21-2006, 04:14 PM

Anathema2121

10-21-2006, 07:31 PM

Yo BRO...

i don't meanto be the bearer of bad news.. but see how your NEW growth is smaller than your older growth... this is not good.. the tops of your plants should be showing vigorous growth with each set of fan leaves bigger than the previous set...

What's the deal..? are you PH ing your water?

: )

We haven't been pH'ing the water (still need ph down from the grow shop but thats a hell of a drive) but we do have a ph tester for the soil and all soil is right around 6.5 at the moment. Could the fact that a lot of those tops you see are actually coming from the bottom older growth have anything to do with it? I need to get some good side shots so you can see how everything from the bottom is at the same level with the ones from the top. I thought the new fan leaves started out smaller then filled out? Thats how ours have always grown. We've never LST'd before though...I think thats why the growth looks so different. I dunno, but thanks for the heads up GK. I'll go pick up at least some water testing stuff this sunday to go with the soil tester

Anathema2121

10-21-2006, 07:36 PM

Yeah man, if you go back and look close and find what would have been the top before we tied them down, those leaves are pretty vigorous. They start off small then open up and fill out to the same size or bigger than the old ones. All the small leaves you see all across the canopy of the plant are tops coming from crotches of the first few fan leaves. Lol, you had me worried for a second. But yeah, the new "tops" are kinda small, but they hadn't really been growing up and out for long, plants are on their like 4th or 5th day of LST'ing.

Abattoir Dream

10-22-2006, 11:17 AM

Anathema2121

10-22-2006, 06:07 PM

hey Anathema, just so you know, i heard you shouldnt let your pets in your growroom, or they may get pests, personally, I keep my cat well away from my plants, obviously its your choice, im just lettin u kno, nice plants tho, lol I like the retard...

Meh, I know, but how can you argue with a face like that? Plus, the cat has never been outside so she can't catch anything not already in the house with the girls. Stay tuned, mas photos a noche.

Anathema2121

10-23-2006, 05:26 AM

Man, 2 days and I can actually see a difference. I did some more training today, spread some more stuff out and got some more tops to the light. The stems have thickened up quite a bit on the tops that shot up from the bottom. They have like 5 inches between the internode they were on and the new one they formed when we first tied them over, then once they reached the light they started doing short internodes again. I was worried at first about stretching but it was just re-shaping :) I was gonna get pics of how badass those stems have bent but i ran out of batteries.

It was crazy today, after only like 3 hours I could already see small stems curved some back toward the light where I had tied today.

Pics as promised:

In order: "blueberry midgrade" confirmed female, unkown topped, the one that has always been female, sloth, and the unknown one that is huge

Anathema2121

10-23-2006, 05:30 AM

Leaf on that huge one (the one that used to be the runt lol) is as long as a blunt :D

Anathema2121

10-23-2006, 06:02 AM

Damn, they have grown so much in the week they've been under that HPS. Just look back at last page.

Abattoir Dream

10-23-2006, 09:50 AM

still lookin good m8! ;)

jamstigator

10-23-2006, 10:19 AM

Anathema2121

10-23-2006, 01:43 PM

I dunno, they could suck. Send me your buds after your harvest and I'll *cough* run them through my 'testing lab' and make sure they're okay. ;)

Just kiddin', they look quite nice to me! I use those same exact germination trays too (from your first pics)-- they kick ass! And don't worry about the cat. I have five cats, and other than a few cat hairs getting on my buds, no probs. (I even have a cat that looks like a fat 16-pound version of your cat.) Did you let your cat eat that leaf? If so, did it do anything for the cat? I've never let them eat my leaves. I don't want them to get in the habit, but also paranoid that if it made them really sick and I had to take them to the vet, and they rowfed up pot leaves...that might look bad. Heh.

Lol, she used to try and eat plants and get her ass whipped, but now that she doesn't bite plants anymore we feed her the trim leaves. She loves them :) Smart kittah. She started eating weed cause one day I had like an ounce of some dank with a bunch of big nugs and I kept poking her in the face with a big one just fucking with her and she finally just took a big bite off the tip and ran. Then like five minutes later my friend was holding on to the back of a chair with a sack in his hand and the cat like tore ass across the room, scaled the chair and dove and took his sack out of his hand, dropped the sack, and took off. That cat rules.

Cyclonite

10-24-2006, 03:37 AM

I leave out my males for "cat grass", they like it.

Anathema2121

10-24-2006, 05:34 AM

I leave out my males for "cat grass", they like it.

Lol, like a roman style execution for the evil males. Just lock the cat and the males in a bathroom for an hour lo. I'm high as shit.:stoned:

Anathema2121

10-25-2006, 04:42 AM

Ok, well I was bored so I decided to run to wal-mart and make a bubble cloner. I fucked up and got the wrong air pump. I got the single outlet 5-15 gallon when when I meant to get the dual outlet one. I think they were sold out of that one anyway, so I'm gonna return the one I got and go to petsmart.

I bought:

1 rubbermaid container about the size of a shoebox.
2 airstones
1 8' length of air tubing
1 T connector

I bored holes in the side of the rubbermaid container in the middle toward the top. 3 holes, 2 for air hoses, and 1 for a power cord.

When I was working I remembered I still had the little silver things from one of those ultrasonic water vaporizer decorative glass things. I broke the bowl a few weeks ago, but I kept the vaporizer part. I covered all the LED lights on the vaporizer in foil so no light gets out. I'll have to take pics tomorrow. The vaporizer makes it look all smokey in the box, its cool :)

The vaporizer should act kinda like an aeroponic mister thing correct? It doesn't use heat to vaporize the water, it uses an ultrasonic vibrating ceramic disc. I plan on taking cuttings on thursday, just like 2 or 4 and trying our luck with just superthrive. I've seen lots of logs of people using bubble cloners w/o rooting hormone with pretty good success. I know cloning gel would help, but from what I understand isn't absolutely necessary. If it doesn't work, shit happens I'll buy gel.

Also do I need to cover up the part with the water in it like in a hydroponics system? I see lots of cloners that look like people left the res open to light. I thought light was bad for the roots?

Anathema2121

10-26-2006, 04:41 AM

Follow the link to my thread about that cloner. More pics too

http://boards.cannabis.com/showthread.php?p=1052375

Garden Knowm

10-26-2006, 04:47 PM

nice pic!!

greenburn

10-26-2006, 06:50 PM

I like your ideas with zip ties, I would have never thought of that bit makes perfect sense. if you get strong enough ones (Don't know if this is just high thinking) couldn't you suspend a light fixture with zip ties and just keep tightening them? I don't know if it'd work for a 1000 watt, but a light fixture that is fairly lightweight might work

Anathema2121

10-26-2006, 06:55 PM

Lol, yeah, I guess you could. We switched over from zip ties to garden twine for tying, cause I just ran out of zip ties. Can't decide which i like better. Goddamned thread is hard to tie right where you want it, zip ties are definitely easier to adjust perfect, but thread is cheap and doesn't scratch up the stem like zip ties will if you aren't carefull.

Anathema2121

10-26-2006, 07:01 PM

Stay tuned, more pics tonight.

Anathema2121

10-27-2006, 07:52 AM

5 days makes a hell of a difference

Pics:
#1: Fuck a watch dog we got teh kittah.
#2: :D
#3: Side
#4 & #5: pics of the ex-runt

Anathema2121

10-27-2006, 07:55 AM

Pics:
#1: The topped one with unknown sex.
#2: The girly girl.
#3: Sloth in all its glory
#4 & #5: Before & after pics of LST'ing on the blueberry midgrade female. I bent all the up-shoots out to the side and am tying the top back across from the way it came :)

Anathema2121

10-27-2006, 07:56 AM

Pics:
#1: Shot of the LST'd one with the rest.
#2: Taped up the cloner to make it light tight and took 3 cuttings from each plant. Running it 24/7 as a dwc bubble cloner at the moment lol, will have a timer soon.
#3: Inside the cloner

Anathema2121

10-28-2006, 12:45 AM

Dr. Chronic came through. 10 beautiful White Rhino seeds...Very discrete packaging, nice and stealthy. Got them germinating in paper towel in a baggie between the fridge and the wall (nice and warm)

Garden Knowm

10-29-2006, 09:33 PM

damn dude.. your like a real FARMER!!

: )

Anathema2121

10-30-2006, 06:32 PM

Well, I know at least 1 popped in 18 hours an 8 out of 10 had popped within 24. I believe all ended up germinating. They should be in dirt by now or I'm slapping someone...

stinkyattic

10-30-2006, 06:55 PM

Anathema2121

10-30-2006, 11:05 PM

Hey Anathema, I've been enjoying this thread.
The cloner is cool, and the pics of underneath with the stems hanging down is especially awesome.
White rhino from Nirvana, I just got some of those, possibly the same batch even, since it was just recent, and they took a long time (2 full weeks) to germinate. You might consider scraping the seeds- the shells are wicked thick.
But once they're up they grow like hell.

Thanks SA. Lol, I seriously started germinating them about 6 minutes after checking the mail. The rhinos actually all germinated and showed roots withing 24 hours of me starting them with the baggie method. I just folded a paper towel in half lengthwise twice, tossed them on there, folded it in half, and then wet it. Then I put it in the baggie and blow it up to make a mini-green house and seal it then fold the end over and tape it just to make sure it doesn't open. I dunno if it matters but I press the paper nice and tight around them kinda to simulate soil instead of them just sitting in like a pocket. Lol, I probably do a lot more than you have to but I'm anal about my plants :) Then I throw them in that hollow part in the back of the fridge near the pump cause its nice and warm, but make sure they don't actually touch the pump cause it gets too hot. When you look at the baggie it is nice and wet from the steam inside it, just like a greenhouse :rasta: Every time I do it just like that I get sprouts in 18 hours and usually all that are going to germinate do by 24.

L

Nice plants there, your going to have hella good bud in the end :)

With your bubble cloner are you using pure water, or are rooting hormones added or something. I hate soil my plants always start off so weak :(

Take care,

W.M

No rooting hormones. We put a few drops of superthrive in and are hoping for the best lol. They actually look healthier than the day they went in the cloner. All maintaining turgor pressure, leaves pointing up. The only thing that is weird is I noticed like 2 of the stems (both are from the same plant) are like kinda curling up away from the water. I dunno, I'll post pics to show you next time I can.

Anathema2121

10-31-2006, 06:50 PM

Nice lst man. How old is she? From seed or clone? As far as the yellowing, it could be light not getting to those leaves or more likely some nute burn. Or could be a deficiency. Take a good upclose pic of the leaf and I'll compare it to the plant diagnosis shit in that grow bible :) Also check out http://www.drugs-forum.com/growfaq/97.htm its the plant abuse chart, nice photo guide to diagnos problems.

I'm jealous you're flowering, I can't wait to start (Probably starting thanksgiving day :)) We bought the shit to build a carbon filter and got one of those febreeze TruAir carbon filter air scrubber things to put in the room to see if it helps a little. Supposed to be getting an exhaust fan, most likely a squirrel cage and using it to vent the cool tube and blow air out through that carbon filter.

blue_ox

10-31-2006, 09:41 PM

a small one like a Can-Fan RSS4HO 178cfm 4" with a Can 9000 filter might work but will cost u approx 200$ total .... there are some good home-made filters that will save u a bit

nice thread

|}

:stoned:

BlackBliss

10-31-2006, 10:02 PM

High Anathema, you asked for a link to my grow video, here it is ;)

http://s131.photobucket.com/albums/p293/BlackBlisss/?action=view&current=mygrow.flv&refPage=&imgAnch=imgAnch1

Enjoy :thumbsup:
Bliss.

Garden Knowm

11-01-2006, 06:39 AM

SHE FUCKING THIRSTY!!!!

water .. water water..

love
love
love

Anathema2121

11-02-2006, 06:34 PM

I'll have pics of the baby rhinos tonight.:dance:

Anathema2121

11-03-2006, 08:06 AM

Some wallpaper worth seedling shots:dance:

Anathema2121

11-03-2006, 08:16 AM

I'm the LST master (first pic is my masterpiece, only like 6 inches in height above the pot even though it has as much foilage :)

Anathema2121

11-03-2006, 08:21 AM

§.s

Anathema2121

11-03-2006, 07:15 PM

All finally decided to show sex:
3 Females
1 Male (the ex-runt, has 11-finger leaves)
1 Hermi (yes, sloth is a he-she for sure)

The final verdict is 1 more month of veg. I know we're going to be having hellacious space issues with the massive difference in size between the old plants and the rhinos, but I don't care. We'll end up with 3 fucking giant trees and however many of those rhinos decide to be female. We went ahead and FIM'ed every single one of the tops on sloth and topped the original girl. The one I topped orginially is still fine, and I tied down the blueberry one some more. The one that I've tied down a lot is taking shape so nicely. I can't even picture what our room is gonna look like in a month......I might end up being able to build a tree house in one of these.