ALL POWER IN HEAVEN AN EARTH HAS BEEN GIVEN UNTO THE LORD JESUS

[xsw2]

CHRIST

[Krogith]

from his father Jehovah God

[mrdevious]

PRAAAAAAAAIIIIIISE JESUS!!!!!!!!!!


Now, xsw2, are you capable of continuing that concept with some meaningful insight, or are lame one-liners the extent of your intellect?

[Krogith]

excepting Jesus and learning about his father in heaven Jehovah God is just the start unless you apply what he tought. be loveing your neighbor, pratice peace help the poor and less fortunate. Do not worship idols. Thoses who pick up the sword will die by it. Know that humans can't rule them selfs. Satan is in control of this system of things stay out of the crupted system of satan.

[mrdevious]

Know that humans can't rule them selfs.

Well then Jehova can get his ass down here and start doing some good governing! Otherwise, the last time we had the world ruled by god through man, we called it the Dark Ages.

[Krogith]

False relighion is about to be distroyed all who pratices such things will need to rethink what there doing or die with there cruption. Aramagedon is near. Do you not see the signs? do we not see false religion has ruined the earth? All claiming WAR brings peace have pick up there sword and they will die by it.

edit: the dark ages where false religion and babalon the grate harlot

[the yeag]

~ i don't care if it rains or freezes as long as i have my plastic jesus.......aaaamen my brothers.... religion should be a banned topic!!!!

[mrdevious]

I fully agree Krogith, the dark ages were run by false religion. But that's my point, it seems anything short of god getting down here and governing us himself always ends up with us following a false ideal.

and yes, I see the signs, though people of every era have seen the signs too. Europeans were convinced the black plague was a sign of the end of times. People across continental asia thought mongolians were demons from hell sent by god. And believe me, the mongolian invasions were far more impressive than the conflicts we have going on today. Now that I think of it, history in the last 2 thousand years is riddled with events far exceeding the scale of world-wide conflict today. The only difference is we now have reporters at every corner of the earth with the technology to show it to us live, as it happens, leaving a considerably larger psychological impact on humanity, whereas before the extent of international troubles were very limited in regards to people's view.

spooky talk in a religious context can be mighty frightening, but humanity has heard it countless times before, with all the self-fulfilling prophecies to match. This only part of why I follow reason above faith.

[the yeag]

wow i feel so ~zen~ now...i think i got a hard on...i'm done go back to preaching.

[afghooey]

I'm gonna be really depressed if this one-line post gets pages of replies like his other ones have. :(

[Inferius]

I'm gonna be really depressed if this one-line post gets pages of replies like his other ones have. :(

Same. This guy doesn't deserve the attention.

[Pass That Shit]

Well then Jehova can get his ass down here and start doing some good governing! Otherwise, the last time we had the world ruled by god through man, we called it the Dark Ages.

No man knows the day or the hour, so be patient. He will come, and sit, and reign in Jerusalem. He will govern the whole earth. You will be convinced cause your own eyes will see him :thumbsup:

[mrdevious]

No man knows the day or the hour, so be patient. He will come, and sit, and reign in Jerusalem. He will govern the whole earth. You will be convinced cause your own eyes will see him :thumbsup:

You mean like in my lifetime? Well I won't argue with you man, the only verdict will be decided by time. I hope you all get as much good as can be wrought from your faith.

[Oneironaut]

I dunno, after a while we have to be able to say "okay, Jesus isn't coming back". I mean, there has to be a deadline. If there are Christians 10,000 years from now still convinced that Jesus is gonna come around someday, I'll have to laugh (but I won't be able to, since I'll be long dead and my brain will have decayed into nothingness).

Fortunately, right in the Bible there is a deadline for when we should stop waiting for Jesus' return. It's true that he says we won't know the exact time, but he does give us clues so we can narrow down around when he was supposed to come back:

"Verily I say unto you, There be some standing here, which shall not taste of death, till they see the Son of man coming in his kingdom." -- Matthew16:28

"But I tell you of a truth, there be some standing here, which shall not taste of death, till they see the kingdom of God." -- Luke 9:27

"Verily I say unto you, All these things shall come upon this generation." -- Matthew 23:36

"Verily I say unto you, This generation shall not pass, till all these things be fulfilled." -- Matthew 24:34

"Nevertheless I say unto you, Hereafter shall ye see the Son of man sitting on the right hand of power, and coming in the clouds of heaven." -- Matthew 26:64

"Verily I say unto you, That there be some of them that stand here, which shall not taste of death, till they have seen the kingdom of God come with power." -- Mark 9:1

"Verily I say unto you, that this generation shall not pass, till all these things be done." -- Mark 13:30

"And ye shall see the Son of man sitting on the right hand of power, and coming in the clouds of heaven." -- Mark 14:62

"Verily I say unto you, This generation shall not pass away, till all be fulfilled." -- Luke 21:32

"Jesus saith unto him, If I will that he tarry till I come, what is that to thee?" -- John 21:22

Now, either there are some people still alive that Jesus talked to, or the Bible is fiction. And I'm willing to bet there isn't anybody around from first century Judaea.

[fikusroot]

Jesus was black.

[Pass That Shit]

I dunno, after a while we have to be able to say "okay, Jesus isn't coming back". I mean, there has to be a deadline. If there are Christians 10,000 years from now still convinced that Jesus is gonna come around someday, I'll have to laugh (but I won't be able to, since I'll be long dead and my brain will have decayed into nothingness).

Fortunately, right in the Bible there is a deadline for when we should stop waiting for Jesus' return. It's true that he says we won't know the exact time, but he does give us clues so we can narrow down around when he was supposed to come back:

"Verily I say unto you, There be some standing here, which shall not taste of death, till they see the Son of man coming in his kingdom." -- Matthew16:28

"But I tell you of a truth, there be some standing here, which shall not taste of death, till they see the kingdom of God." -- Luke 9:27

"Verily I say unto you, All these things shall come upon this generation." -- Matthew 23:36

"Verily I say unto you, This generation shall not pass, till all these things be fulfilled." -- Matthew 24:34

"Nevertheless I say unto you, Hereafter shall ye see the Son of man sitting on the right hand of power, and coming in the clouds of heaven." -- Matthew 26:64

"Verily I say unto you, That there be some of them that stand here, which shall not taste of death, till they have seen the kingdom of God come with power." -- Mark 9:1

"Verily I say unto you, that this generation shall not pass, till all these things be done." -- Mark 13:30

"And ye shall see the Son of man sitting on the right hand of power, and coming in the clouds of heaven." -- Mark 14:62

"Verily I say unto you, This generation shall not pass away, till all be fulfilled." -- Luke 21:32

"Jesus saith unto him, If I will that he tarry till I come, what is that to thee?" -- John 21:22

Now, either there are some people still alive that Jesus talked to, or the Bible is fiction. And I'm willing to bet there isn't anybody around from first century Judaea.

Ever heard of left behind? Bad movie with Kirk Cameron?

You're bringing up scripture that applies to those that are alive when he comes. He's implying that there will be some that have not died in the flesh that will see him come. However, most people will only see him after they die.

No one knows when he is coming. Ever heard of Harold Camping? Huge religious following. Radio Stations and all. He put out a book that said jesus was coming in October of 1994. What happened to his prophecy? Don't follow religion, follow the word of God.

[Oneironaut]

Ever heard of left behind? Bad movie with Kirk Cameron?
Yeah, and I have no intention of watching it.

You're bringing up scripture that applies to those that are alive when he comes. He's implying that there will be some that have not died in the flesh that will see him come. However, most people will only see him after they die.
Err, no, I couldn't find anything that implied that when I read those verses. Jesus doesn't say he's talking to people in the future. He's talking to the people in front of him, and uses the word "you" to address them. Take a closer look:
http://jcnot4me.com/Items/theology/Second%20Coming%20stuff/matthew_24_verse_by_verse.htm

But I understand you don't want to give up your whole religion just because this part of the Bible contradicts reality, so I can understand why you would want to rationalize a different meaning into that verse.

No one knows when he is coming. Ever heard of Harold Camping? Huge religious following. Radio Stations and all. He put out a book that said jesus was coming in October of 1994. What happened to his prophecy? Don't follow religion, follow the word of God.
How can I follow the word of God when he refuses to answer my questions with anything but silence?

[Ignatius]

I don't think Jesus is going to show.

If you were waiting for a girl to call you how long would you wait? An hour? Two? Maybe a week...

But 2006 years?

Come on man, he's not showing up now. The prophecies in The Bible are nothing more than a series of elaborate excuses. Face it. He's with somebody else.

[Pass That Shit]

Oneironaut,

I'm not gonna get into a debate over your interpretation of scripture, cause I know that the timing of the kingdom of God is consistent throughout his word. He gives us the events that will take place, they are not yet fulfilled. You can call him a liar all you want, but that verse will be fulfilled when those that it applies to, see him come. The bottom line is that nothing he says is untrue, and you're putting yourself in a tough spot trying to question his authority. No matter what you say, he exists. Always did, always will. Peace

[.undefined]

My conclusion: organized religion is a waste of time. Go paint a picture or build a house, it'll do more for you than the belief in God.

[AmazinGrace]

I fully agree Krogith, the dark ages were run by false religion. But that's my point, it seems anything short of god getting down here and governing us himself always ends up with us following a false ideal.

and yes, I see the signs, though people of every era have seen the signs too. Europeans were convinced the black plague was a sign of the end of times. People across continental asia thought mongolians were demons from hell sent by god. And believe me, the mongolian invasions were far more impressive than the conflicts we have going on today. Now that I think of it, history in the last 2 thousand years is riddled with events far exceeding the scale of world-wide conflict today. The only difference is we now have reporters at every corner of the earth with the technology to show it to us live, as it happens, leaving a considerably larger psychological impact on humanity, whereas before the extent of international troubles were very limited in regards to people's view.

spooky talk in a religious context can be mighty frightening, but humanity has heard it countless times before, with all the self-fulfilling prophecies to match. This only part of why I follow reason above faith.

What constitues "false religion"?

One man's trash is another man's treasure.

[MegaOctane12]

excepting Jesus and learning about his father in heaven Jehovah God is just the start unless you apply what he tought. be loveing your neighbor, pratice peace help the poor and less fortunate. Do not worship idols. Thoses who pick up the sword will die by it. Know that humans can't rule them selfs. Satan is in control of this system of things stay out of the crupted system of satan.

Sorry your talking shit, I think I've told you this before. What you get out of comming on a cannabis website and being so pretentious is your own business, its no concern of mine really, what amuses me about people like you is, if I pushed your buttons your faith would split open like a sharp axe to a ripe melon and your weakness as a human would be exposed. Not only that, the high standard of moralhood you wear as a veil would, underneath, conceal something more twisted and distorted than the average person. See I know your motivations behind your belief, even if you don't. I feel obligated to the unity of the future of mankind to tell you that you are your own massive contradiction. Your preachings are like shit to me, and the majority of what you post has no relevance to anyone but yourself, please, please, don't be offended, this also goes for others here. But as I'm a free thinker, and this is an exchange of ideas I feel its important to let you know.

[Oneironaut]

My conclusion: organized religion is a waste of time. Go paint a picture or build a house, it'll do more for you than the belief in God.
Not just organized religion; all religion is a waste of time. It preys on people's fears of death and their wishes for a cosmic justice system, and uses it to get people to believe things for which there is no evidence. In fact, it even convinces people that faith, believing in things despite a lack of evidence, is a virtue of some sort! A god whose existence can't even be detected for sure is not going to help anyone do anything.

â??The truth may be puzzling. It may take some work to grapple with. It may be counterintuitive. It may contradict deeply held prejudices. It may not be consonant with what we desperately want to be true. But our preferences do not determine what's true. We have a method, and that method helps us to reach not absolute truth, only asymptotic approaches to the truth â?? never there, just closer and closer, always finding vast new oceans of undiscovered possibilities. Cleverly designed experiments are the key.â?� â??Carl Sagan

[Krogith]

Not just organized religion; all religion is a waste of time. It preys on people's fears of death and their wishes for a cosmic justice system, and uses it to get people to believe things for which there is no evidence. In fact, it even convinces people that faith, believing in things despite a lack of evidence, is a virtue of some sort! A god whose existence can't even be detected for sure is not going to help anyone do anything.

â??The truth may be puzzling. It may take some work to grapple with. It may be counterintuitive. It may contradict deeply held prejudices. It may not be consonant with what we desperately want to be true. But our preferences do not determine what's true. We have a method, and that method helps us to reach not absolute truth, only asymptotic approaches to the truth â?? never there, just closer and closer, always finding vast new oceans of undiscovered possibilities. Cleverly designed experiments are the key.â?� â??Carl Sagan

Take a watch apart. Put every single pice of it into a Box and shake it up your whole life. Give the box to your son and have him shake it,his whole life and then pass it to his son. How long befor that watch is together and working again? All the pices are there,when do you think it will be together and Working?

Unintelligence with all the right pices and things there ,will never cause life or a working watch.

[Oneironaut]

Ah yes, William Paley's two-century-old watchmaker argument. Do you honestly think I have never heard that one before, that I am not familiar with any of the countless refutations that have come up in the two hundred years that theists have been spouting out this same old tired argument? Just because you personally can't conceive of how natural selection can create immense complexity in any reliably self-replicating beings over geological timeframes that are inconceivable to our primate brains, doesn't mean it didn't happen.

Saying "God did it" answers nothing, especially if you refuse explain the process by which God did it, or the way in which such a hugely complex being as God just popped out of nowhere. If a watch is too complex to come about spontaneously on its own, and God is more complex than a watch, how does this argument make any sense at all?

I would highly recommend watching this video by Carl Sagan, which deals with the watchmaker argument far more eloquently than I ever could:
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=7430337603450194321&q=one+voice+in+the+cosmic+fugue&hl=en

[mrdevious]

This is why I've given up on debating religion. You can completely counter and disprove a piece of logic, there will be no response, then the same piece of non-sensicle argument comes up yet again.

and Krogith, I really don't understand why you can't wrap your brain around the concept of natural processes of evolution not being a big-super-unlikely-one in a trillion- accident! Unlike the box full of watch parts, evolution isn't a bunch of random materials that all just got shook up enough till they accidentially fell together.

[MegaOctane12]

This is why I've given up on debating religion. You can completely counter and disprove a piece of logic, there will be no response, then the same piece of non-sensicle argument comes up yet again.

and Krogith, I really don't understand why you can't wrap your brain around the concept of natural processes of evolution not being a big-super-unlikely-one in a trillion- accident! Unlike the box full of watch parts, evolution isn't a bunch of random materials that all just got shook up enough till they accidentially fell together.

Because his faith speaks louder than its brain does

[Purple Banana]

To quote something of great 21st century philosopher George Carlin:

"There is more proof for the evidence of UFOs than there is for a god- countless tapes, sightings, experiences, many from highly trained military personnel specifically trained for their above-average vision and mental clarity; not to say UFOs are real, but there is certainly more going for them than a god. People who study UFOs are considered "buffs" as well as crazy hermit-like people, yet one who believes in an omnipresent invisible father-figure in the sky are Christians- good upstanding folk with higher moral fiber than the rest of us godless schmucks. But if you call them "Jesus Buffs" they'd probably wanna crucify ya."

[joylow]

if jesus isnt son of god why did they find the cave empty where his body had been kept, with a huge stone in front and guards?

[DopeBOYmagic]

I cannot fully grasp rather to believe in religion or other scientific things
its like what it says in the bible

If you basically oppose or question gods authority Straight down to hell fer ya.
Guess ill always be confused.

[bavet]

I've learned long ago not to get into debates with people who choose not to belive Truth. It's pointless, if they wanna know, tell em. If they don't, it's their loss.
So go smoke a bowl and Praise the Lord for the gift :)

[Nylo]

~ i don't care if it rains or freezes as long as i have my plastic jesus.......aaaamen my brothers.... religion should be a banned topic!!!!

That would be mean to atheists. No one likes to talk about God more.