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I noticed that the original thread I made for the grow requires folks to slog through 6 paragraphs of cabinet description to get to the plants, so I've created this new, more directed post. A description of the setup can be found here: http://boards.cannabis.com/showthread.php?t=83760
Short version: Complete newbie growing 4 Skunk #1 seeds under 340w CFL veg, 400w HPS flower, started germination on 9/23/06.
Updated status: One seed popped and was planted yesterday. One of the other three has just opened and may be ready to plant by tomorrow. The other two are still snoozing contentedly.
Here's the overachiever, already sporting a tiny pair of serrated leaves. I can't express how neat it was seeing it poke out of the ground this morning.
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...And here are the lazy ones, sipping daiquiries in their reclining chairs. If they don't awaken soon, I'm going to put the Bose in the cabinet and blast Van Halen at them.
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Further updates to come.
jamstigator
09-27-2006, 11:01 AM
Good luck with the grow!
I just checked and from what I can tell, Skunk #1 is primarily Sativa. I have a Durban Poison x Skunk #1 plant growing now, and it seems pretty sensitive to (lack of) humidity, kinda finicky. I'm not sure if that's from the Durban Poison parents or the Skunk #1 parents, or if that's just generally the case with Sativa-dominant strains. Just mentioning it, so if you start seeing probs that you can't figure out, it might just be that the plants want more humidity. I put an open Tupperware container with a gallon of water in it inside the cabinet, and that helped some.
Hope it works out for ya, but from the pics of the cabinet (which looks oddly familiar, heh), I think you'll be fine. Keep us updated! ;)
bluntman2006
09-28-2006, 11:39 PM
Good luck with the grow!
I just checked and from what I can tell, Skunk #1 is primarily Sativa. I have a Durban Poison x Skunk #1 plant growing now, and it seems pretty sensitive to (lack of) humidity, kinda finicky. I'm not sure if that's from the Durban Poison parents or the Skunk #1 parents, or if that's just generally the case with Sativa-dominant strains. Just mentioning it, so if you start seeing probs that you can't figure out, it might just be that the plants want more humidity. I put an open Tupperware container with a gallon of water in it inside the cabinet, and that helped some.
Hope it works out for ya, but from the pics of the cabinet (which looks oddly familiar, heh), I think you'll be fine. Keep us updated! ;)sweet set up whats the height on that cab,also whats your temps
Mini-update: The seedling has grown a single pair of serrated leaves. The seed that had cracked open as of the last post may have died, as the 'tail' it grew stopped growing after poking out, and is still too small to plant. A third seed is now cracking open, so perhaps I'll have another in a pot by tomorrow.
Seedling:
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Slackers:
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Jamstigator:Thank you for the tip - a container of water now rests near my (still sole) seedling. I've told the un-hatched seeds about it with the hope that they'll be enticed to finally join their sibling.
Bluntman:The cabinet's height is 72 inches overall. The grow space is 46" wide, 20" deep and 53.4" tall. The temperature stabilizes at 83-4f with all four CFLs and the HPS running if I leave the room's baseboard heat off. The HPS alone stabilizes at 80-81. The CFLs alone stabilize around 74, so I've turned the heat on a touch for now to boost cabinet temperatures into the low 80's.
The theme for the first week has been, "technical difficulties." Of the five seeds germinated (including one immature seed I tried for the heck of it), only one has successfully made it to the seedling stage, though a second is close.
-One cracked open, then died on the plate before sprouting a tail.
-One sprouted a tail that wrapped around itself inside the seed case, then quickly died in the dirt.
-The immature one failed to pop at all.
-One cracked, sprouted a tail, was planted, grew until it poked its head above the soil ..and died. I think.
The seedling, as the picture shows, hasn't grown much since the 25th. That problem I think I've fixed, though. It's hard to see in the photo, but the edges of the leaves are blackened and they've folded partway along the center. I guessed nutrient burn, flushed the pot thoroughly and was rewarded with the beginnings of two new leaves.
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I'll give the almost-seedling a day or two more to show some sign of life. I've started two more skunk seeds soaking with the hope of finally having four plants in four pots.
Foolish mistakes so far:
1. Planting seeds before adding water to the pot, thus driving them 2" under the surface when I pour.
2. Planting sprouts directly into soil that is too rich without flushing it, thus killing all but one, which almost died.
3. Absent-mindedly refreshing the moisture in the germinating plate with ice-cold, heavily-chlorinated tap water. I have no excuse for this one other than not yet having had my morning coffee.
Sigh. Onward!
jamstigator
10-03-2006, 08:31 AM
Glad you planted a few more, since you probably stressed that survivor out and it could easily be a male. You know those little 12-plug germination trays and such? They really work well, drop seed in plug, tear off a chunk of plug and stuff over the hole containing the seed, keep moist, and wait a day or two. That way the seed wakes up to a pretty neutral environment and has a chance to establish a rudimentary root structure in the plug, then you just drop the entire plug into your soil, which buffers the nutes in the soil some. Those little germination kits are like $5 or $10 or something, well worth it over the glass or paper towel methods, in my opinion.
Anyway, this is little stuff, and everyone makes mistakes like those the first time or two, so don't sweat it. I have complete faith that in the end, you will have yourself some good smoke! ;)
I've included no picture this time because it would only be depressing; the sole survivor looks like it's about to be voted off the island. I'll be seeking those plugs if the two in the dish fail to live, and thank you again for the tip.
Hm, your cabinet, your tupperware bowl, and now your plugs. If you wake up tomorrow and the drapes are missing, I've probably swiped those, too. :p
jamstigator
10-05-2006, 10:11 AM
Lol! Trust me, I'm nowhere near the first person to use a cabinet, a tupperware bowl full of water for humidity, or germination plugs. Besides, we don't have any drapes, we have blinds. Nyah! ;)
Hope you get it sorted out for the next attempt! I'm vegging a few plants myself now, trying to be patient until I know what sex they are. I hate being patient!
It's time for an update, but be prepared to weep. Here is a picture of my 2-week-old seedling.
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I know you said it's likely to turn male due to stress, but I've become attached and plan to give it a chance. ...Besides, it's still the only plant I've successfully gotten to sprout. :D
The first two leaves have shriveled completely. The new leaves seem to be following the pattern of the first: They grow for several days, then begin to brown at the edges. The rate of growth is obviously somewhat less than ideal.
Four days ago I placed 4 seeds into germination plugs and set them on a 7513 router. They've stayed toasty and I've kept them moist, but there are no signs of life yet. Fret not that I'm losing the will to grow, though: I've five skunk seeds left and 11 Thai-Tanic, and I will not relent until I've murdered them all.
oturbojoeo4o
10-13-2006, 04:06 PM
yeah i germed mine in a tupperware, folded wet paper towel, then plastic wrap for a lid....i set them on the back part of my computer moniter, warm and dark, the good seeds germ real quick ive noticed, the others i dont even bother...
before i even germ i put all my seeds in a bottle of water, and wait 24 hours, and i only use the ones that sink
practically the whole grow i use bottled water lol
Long time no update, and for good reason: every skunk seed failed to pop regardless of method used, leaving me with one tiny plant perpetually on the edge of death, and little else. ...Yes, the plant from the earlier pictures lives! It's still yellow, still tiny, but still alive. Click below and behold my majestic 4-week-old, sexually-mature bonsai Skunk#1 plant.
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Soil pH is 6.6-6.9, all nutrients are present and it actually improves a bit after fert feeding, so I don't think it's been nutrient-burned. The problem my new plants are having makes me think it's a pest or microbiological problem.
Speaking of which, after Skunk seeds # 6-14 failed to pop, I started in on the expensive ones. I wanted to fill the two remaining 3-gallon pots, so I germinated four ThaiTanic seeds with the hope that I might get one plant.
...Well, they all popped! Quickly, too. I guess the skunks were free for a reason. I couldn't bear to toss two seedlings out, so I planted two per pot two days ago and watched them zoom up. Here they are:
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Notice the 'munched' appearence of the seedling in the second picture? Both plants in that pot look like a senior citizen took out his dentures and gummed on the leaves for a while. I've given all three plants a thorough Neem oil misting which I hope will stop the infection/nibbling. I also hope it'll cure whatever is causing my Skunk survivor to remain 3 inches high and yellow after a month of veg time.
jamstigator
10-28-2006, 11:01 AM
Were those Skunk #1's freebie seeds from seedboutique.com? Just asking, because I put six freebie Skunk #1's in some plugs a week ago and...nothing happening. I guess I'll give them another week, but not looking good. I can't complain, since they were free, but bleh.
Congrats on some real plants! Looks like I'll probably be joining you next week in planting some real seeds, unless these Skunk #1's come to life, which seems more doubtful with each passing day.
gmoney5ss
10-28-2006, 03:16 PM
I know i say this in almost every thread, but it was a simple fix to my big problem.. i had a plant that was 4 weeks old and it was 3x smaller than the other two planted at the same time.. try adding some nitrogen to that little one, get something organic that wont burn like fish emulsion ( i have 5-1-1 ) or bat guano ( theres others too ) but the nitrogen really helps speed up growth and takes the yellow out and makes them look green and healthy again..
btw, im not a pro grower.. just adding my .02 cents, never hurts to try..
c of green
10-28-2006, 04:44 PM
hey i got durban x skunk free from gypsy nirvana 15 seeds one popped but didnt make it out of the dirt.very dissapointed.i still have 6 seeds in a paper towel but have not much hope due to the fact they have been there better than a week already.(please one grow.....durban x skunk sounds soooooo good)anyway glad you got something to grow.:thumbsup:
jamstigator
10-28-2006, 04:53 PM
I had some Durban Poison x Skunk #1 freebies too. Out of ten seeds, one popped. That was back in April, so that means I vegged it for six months. I put it in flowering a week ago, and she's gettin' pretty big, 45 inches tall now counting the pot. Me and the woman call her Big Mama. So, never hurts to try those freebie seeds! Worst case, you get nothing for no cost. Best case...life! ;)
I was actually gonna kill off Big Mama, not really any room to grow a big plant like that. But instead, I blew a grand on one of those grow tents, a 1000-watt light, fan, carbon filter, blah blah. If I didn't have Big Mama, I wouldn't have done that, so basically, I spent all that just to grow this one plant. Lol, I'm sure I'll use the stuff for other plants later, but it's still funny to go through all this trouble for this one plant...but she's beautiful!
That is exactly what they were, Jamstigator. I share your reluctance to file a complaint about free goods, but the bitter, repeated failure those skunks delivered was a confidence killer for a brand-new grower. I was starting to view myself as an object of horticultural terror, complete with black hood and scythe - looming with a fiery watering can and raspy chuckle over tiny, helpless seeds.
"It pops the tail from 'neath its skin or else it gets the fert again."
Gmoney, you are absolutely right: it can't hurt to try. I gave the plant an extra-heavy feeding and reassured myself that if it dies, at this point putting it out of its misery might be a kindness.
The sole survivor looks like it's about to be voted off the island.
Lol, that comment made me fall outta my chair. CCIE, you have a way with words that is fun to read, you're like an artist painting a canvas and the thread has been educational as well as entertaining.
A question: what is your watering schedule? Your symptoms look like mine did, (I murdered at least 10 good hybrid seedlings, now I'm restricted to bag seed until I can get past seedling stage) which turned out to be a overwatering problem.
I love that you didn't give up on your bonsai - I couldn't stand the guilt to look at mine when they went yellow & limp so I just tore em up. :(
jamstigator
10-29-2006, 05:53 AM
Here's a pic of my Durban Poison x Skunk #1 freebie seed plant, the one freebie seed I've EVER gotten to germinate successfully. This one plant is worth the hassle of the other 25 or so I've tried that failed. Just don't blame yourself when they DO fail, because clearly they're freebie seeds for a reason: they mostly suck...but not always!
I'd have cloned this beotch, but I don't really have enough space to grow Sativa-dominant plants like this, so this is probably a one-time thing for me. When I brought it to show to the woman, she said, "Wow, that's a big mama!" So that's what we named her, Big Mama. ;)
c of green
10-30-2006, 03:47 PM
Jam.....I want a cutting!!:D seriously though she looks great.she is big for inside but i was more looking at them as good plants that would finish outside in illinois.guess i am going to have to buy some nlXbig bud for next year.(i will also be trying white widow...seems people have had success outside with her so i will give it a shot)
SO CCIE where are some updates.....I hope that they are thriving like crazy for you:thumbsup:
Holy cow, Jamstigator - that plant should be climbing the Empire State clutching Fay Wray. :eek:
While I have nothing in my own garden to match it, things are at least looking up a little. For the first time in its life, Bonsai Skunk is green! Gmoney's advice turned out to be right on his namesake. I added Grow Big to the last watering at 8 times the recommended strength and just look at it:
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The Thais are still afflicted with whatever malady they've had since they sprouted, but it's only seriously stunted growth in one of the two pots. Check out the difference:
Large -
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Versus Small -
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I'm going to give all three another Neem misting soon, and plan continue to feed the skunk plenty of Grow Big. If anyone recognizes the symptoms the Thais are suffering, please give a shout. Even the leaves of the most robust Thai look gnarled and chewed.
My watering schedule is somewhat irregular, Doco. I stick my index finger in the dirt up to the second knuckle and wiggle it. If I feel more than a trace of moisture, I don't water. I think I may have been making the mistake opposite of yours, because these three gallon pots take so long to dry out that I've only been watering every 5-6 days.
jamstigator
11-01-2006, 08:01 AM
Wow, that is quite a difference! Anything different about the pot that the little ones are in, compared to the pot the bigger ones are in?
oturbojoeo4o
11-02-2006, 09:51 PM
ur plants are cute...i miss when mine were lil young'ns
i wish i didnt have to grow in stealth mode all the time :(
All three pots are the same size and contain the same soil mix at the same pH. I decided to give the dinky plants the heave-ho and transplant the smaller of the two robust Thais into the third pot. If it truly does contain the Dirt of Death, I'll soon know. I think I've found the culprit, however: I have gnats! They are almost invisibly small and are crawling over everything. I just finished re-Neem-o-rizing, which I hope will eradicate the little buggers.
In other, more irritating news, my brand-new Lumatek ballast might be on the fritz. :mad: I tested it on a whim yesterday and it failed to produce so much as a glimmer from my HPS bulb. I swapped in a metal halide bulb that I know works , and ditto. I only left the ballast on for 5 minutes each time though, and the instructions say it can take as long as 20 minutes to fire a cold bulb. I'll give it a 30-minute test tomorrow.
Annoyingly, the cheap coil ballast in the fixture from which I borrowed the working MH bulb brings it to full brightness in about 90 seconds.
This'll be a short one - other than the Cursed Ground Of Pot #3, everything's copacetic. Everything except my new ballast, that is, which still refuses to light anything I screw into it. :mad: My proximity voltage tester tells me it's delivering current into the bulb, but no sparky.
At the rate the bigger Thai is expanding, I might have to buy a cheap coil ballast to flower this round, which really chaps my hide. I'll test the Lumatek with one more HPS; if I see no glow, back it goes to BGHydro.
And now, the plants:
Here's Bonsai, looking (and starting to smell) like a happy, growing skunk plant following my adoption of the Gmoney Grotesque Overfeeding fertilization schedule:
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Here's the healthy Thai. The pictures don't clearly show how big this thing has gotten. There are so many small bud sites growing under the canopy that the main stem looks like a fractal drawing:
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Behold the poor transplanted second Thai. The dirt in that third pot must have come from an Indian burial ground:
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Tomorrow I'll try more Neem oil and an exorcism.
gmoney5ss
11-08-2006, 09:01 PM
haha glad i could be so much help to you bonsai, unfortunately my smallest plant that looked almost identicle to your bonsai died a few weeks ago, but just to show you why i recomended whati said to you ill upload pictures of a plant that was having the same problem..
it was over a month old and stunted to hell and back, and a little under 2 and a half weeks it looks like a completely different plant.
both plants are the same, first one is maybe 2 weeks before the second..
can definately tell a difference, i also have a pest problem :( and they lookin alittle droopy, needing their water today.. anyway good luck with it man, glad i could give back to the community thats given so much to me
So Far, Smooth Sailing.
My new electronic ballast is indeed kaput, but otherwise vegging continues on schedule. Here are all three:
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Happily, the stunted Thai appears to have shaken off the infection/infestation that plagued it earlier. It's still behind its sibling in size, but it and Bonsai are neck-and-neck.
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Behold Bonsai Skunk suffering my klutzy excuse for LST training. I plan to drill holes around the rim when I get a spare moment.
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Here's the healthy Thai, nearly as large around as its 3-gallon pail. If each of the branch intersections already present become bud sites, holey moley! I may need to start 12/12 sooner than I had expected. I have to thank Jam and others for encouraging me to stick to it; for a while I suspected I was a cannabis Typhoid Mary.
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I grabbed a cheapie magnetic ballast for this run's flowering stage. Hopefully I'll have the Lumatek back and functioning by round 2.
bud breath420
11-15-2006, 01:08 PM
wow mate they are looking great.. ive been following this thread for a while and havnt had a chance to tell you how good you were doing... so now i did.. keep it up!!
50ul }{4ck3r
11-15-2006, 05:01 PM
those plants are....great...good job
Thank you for the kind words, fellows.
Freebie-Skunk-instilled insecurity lingers to the point that I half-expect to see three shriveled stumps every time I open the door. :weedpoke:
Excepting the reappearance of leaf curling in new growth and the tiny flies, all remains swell. Neem corrects the issue temporarily, but I fear I'll have to find a new weapon for flowering.
Here's Bonsai, who will break my heart if it turns male after all we've been through.
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The healthy Thai remains healthy. A few of the bottom branches are dying in the shade created by the dense canopy. I'm considering jabbing a couple sticks in the dirt to push top leaves aside.
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The stunted Thai is now officially the weakest of the three. I've taped a picture of Jerry Garcia to the wall next to it for inspiration.
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That's that. I hope the postman delivers my interim ballast soon, because I think flowering had better begin within the next two weeks.
Edited: They appear droopy because A: they were thirsty and B: I 'twiddle' them (ruffle the foliage with my hand) when I water. A poster I don't recall the name of mentioned it elsewhere as a way to increase stem strength.
Update: I may have a female! :dance: The picture below shows what I believe to be a preflower and pistil poking up from the healthy Thai's second node.
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My replacement ballast has arrived and works perfectly. I didn't realize how much brighter the HPS is until I was forced to move one of the lit CFLs because it was casting a relative shadow.
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You'll notice that the three pots look like a Christmas scene.... When I unleashed diatomaceous earth upon the tiny flies, I used what I now know to be an outrageous amount. Oh well, at least it's the season. Here's Bonsai, happy other than some bulb-burn.
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I'm impatient to begin flowering now that I've hooked up my interim ballast, but the stunted Thai's center is filled with undersized growth that I'd like to stretch upward a bit before switching. I've compromised by running the HPS as well as the CFLs 24/0 for a while.
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And last, the Healthy Thai, who I suppose I'd better start referring to as 'she' instead of 'it.' Unless I'm mistaken about the gender, in which case I'll say both terms together, and loudly.
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jamstigator
11-23-2006, 01:17 PM
Looks like a female to me too! Congratulations! ;)
Might want to take some clones off of her before you start flowering. That way, after this batch is done flowering, you'd have as many girls ready to go for the next round as you want. Unless you're going to try a new strain after these, of course.
Thanks! I wish I could preserve a few clones, but I'll have to do a bit of travelling after harvest. I'll probably just set up a second round of ThaiTanic from my remaining seeds when I return.
It's a couple days yet to my next picture day, but I've already noticed that the HPS's yellow light is making the plants stretch rapidly even at 24/0. I'm leaving it on in there because they're opening up to the point that they look like everyone else's plants instead of enormous chrysanthemum blossoms. It's already helped light reach the undersized growth near the main stems.
On second thought, an extra picture can't hurt. Based on your experience growing in the identical cabinet, how much longer do you think I ought to veg them before switching to 12/12?
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To help with estimation, the plants' heights from dirt to tip are 9", 11" and 8" from left to right.
By George, I positively have ants in my pants to start flowering! :D
jamstigator
11-25-2006, 08:11 AM
How tall are those pots? If that middle plant is 11" tall dirt-to-tip, how tall is it with that pot? 2.5 feet total? If it's around there, you probably should flower within the next week or two. Which means you have enough time to top the plants (if you haven't already, it's hard to tell) and prune half the stems (to split them into two), and let the plant recover, before you flower.
The middle plant plus its pot is 18.5 inches, floor to tip. The dirt has compacted so badly that it's 4-5 inches below the top of the pot, and I'm guessing I should lift the plant and add more. I have neither topped nor pruned yet because the darn things have been doing on their own what I understand folks use the methods to potentiate: staying low and branching like mad. --Correction, mid-post I've raised the both Thais by lifting them and adding more dirt. They sit much higher in the pot and a lot more light reaches their nether regions, but I heard roots tear during the process and I fear I've stressed them. What's the standard way to lift a 3-gallon root ball up without tearing roots? -- edit: after lifting, pot+plant=22 inches
Do I dare prune them now? Consider this shot of the stunted thai's center growth:
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It's difficult to tell from the picture, but the crazy thing 'topped itself' twice. There are four near-equally-sized stems surrounding a 'bowl' full of baby nodes. I'm wondering if I can imitate the effect of pruning the plant without additional stress by tying the outer trunks toward the rim of the pot and allowing the numerous small branches to expand.
jamstigator
11-25-2006, 12:49 PM
Looks pretty dense in there, yeah. Well, since the plant did the work for you, I'd forego stressing it out more by pruning or topping again, and just flower it in a week or two. One week if it grows like mad, two if it's slow.
I've never lifted a 3-gallon rootball myself. Well, not when I cared if the plant lived anyway. If I had to do it though, I'd let it dry thoroughly, then flip it upside down and tap the bottom of the pot until it comes out, add soil/stuff to the bottom of the pot, then replace the plant and it's rootball on top of the new soil. If it comes out in one big chunk, which it should if it's dry, then doing this shouldn't shock it much or damage the roots. Bugs me when my soil settles down 2-3 inches too, but I just live with it, maybe throw a little extra on top if I can do it without burying too much stem.
lowryderulez
11-25-2006, 02:18 PM
wow ccie, i really like your setup and those plants are lookin great, keep it up i cant wait to see them bud! I'l be checkin up on this thread for sure ;)
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Shovelhandle
11-25-2006, 02:24 PM
cool thread here.
and thanks for keeping us posted, CCIE
Shov
Hello, Shovelhandle and Lowryderulez. If this thread has a motto, it's, "Pot's so hardy even HE can't kill it!"
Speaking of which, I've decided that the Cannabis plant is a masochist. This judgment is based both on its
response to trauma and on its failure to evolve legs and flee my stewardship.
Let's contrast the Jamstigator lifting method:
[Let it dry thoroughly, then flip it upside down and tap the bottom of the pot until it comes out."
- with mine -
1. Grab the stem and pretend you're starting a lawn mower.
2. Quickly let go when roots begin to tear, then pause for brief, ineffective thought.
3. Grasp the pot midway down on opposite sides, pick it up and squeeze while grunting like a gorilla.
4. Fill the resulting voids on either side of the flattened root ball with fresh dirt.
5. Reflect on what you've done, write your alma mater and ask them to rescind your degrees.*
Amazingly, both squeezed plants are exploding. Maybe they interpreted it as a hug? :confused:
*Possibly situation-specific to me.
jamstigator
11-26-2006, 11:03 AM
Lol, well, if the results came out good, then just tell people that's exactly how you planned it all along! ;)
crazywill
11-26-2006, 04:05 PM
Hey Guys and Girls,:rastasmoke:
Reading this thread and about repotting your plants.I had the same thing happen to a few of my plants.This why I only use the black nursery pots.
They are cheap and you can get them from landscpacers for $0.00,
I put dirt in the new pot till its full enough to set the pot your repotting is level with the top of the pot.Fill dirt around it and to the top.Pick up the pot a few inches and drop it,this will settle the dirt down alittle.Carefully pick up the old pot.This should leave a hole in the middle of the new pot.The black nursery pots are easy to cut with scissors down both sides and down opposite side. then carefully pick up the hole ball of dirt and put it in the hole in the new pot and add some more dirt around it.Pick up the new pot and drop it like before and add more dirt.Alot less stress on the plant and roots.
Hope this helps,and they are some nice plants you got there too!
Peace:weedpoke: :smokin:
...And for lesser sins than this.
A local criminal used the three-pronged attack of being cute, intelligent and personable to trick me into keeping her kitten for the week while she travels.
NOTE TO FELLOW GROWERS: KITTENS AND OPEN CABINETS DO NOT MIX.
In the ten minutes I left the plants unattended, he shredded a good percentage of Bonsai and the healthy Thai's best fan leaves and gnawed through the base of healthy's second-largest stem. :cursing: :cursing:
It took an hour for the mental image of cello strings to fade, and then only because I envisioned the scene when his owner returns.
She: "Hi CCIE, where's mama's widdle sweetie?"
Me:"I'm sorry, but he had to die."
I just can't see that conversation ending well.
Anyway, here's how the gals look after removal of the chewed-up foliage:
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And here's the alleged assailant, caught in this undated security photo:
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On a bright note, dressing the plants' battle scars revealed that they ARE gals. I found distinct pistils on both Bonsai and the stunted Thai. Those pots do sound handy, Crazywill. If I decide to use varying pot sizes next grow, I will look into them.
muffinman
11-29-2006, 03:21 AM
lmao
Splifted
11-29-2006, 04:47 AM
Kittah <3's teh weed. We smacked her enough so she just smells the plants, and will only eat leaves that we feed her. She FIM'ed one of our earlier plants for us and disposed of lots of seedlings.
Splifted
11-29-2006, 04:49 AM
Hey Guys and Girls,:rastasmoke:
Reading this thread and about repotting your plants.I had the same thing happen to a few of my plants.This why I only use the black nursery pots.
They are cheap and you can get them from landscpacers for $0.00,
I put dirt in the new pot till its full enough to set the pot your repotting is level with the top of the pot.Fill dirt around it and to the top.Pick up the pot a few inches and drop it,this will settle the dirt down alittle.Carefully pick up the old pot.This should leave a hole in the middle of the new pot.The black nursery pots are easy to cut with scissors down both sides and down opposite side. then carefully pick up the hole ball of dirt and put it in the hole in the new pot and add some more dirt around it.Pick up the new pot and drop it like before and add more dirt.Alot less stress on the plant and roots.
Hope this helps,and they are some nice plants you got there too!
Peace:weedpoke: :smokin:
I too use the nursery pots. I got a bunch of them from my last job, they used to just throw them away. I found that if you let your plants slightly dry out before transplanting, there is no need to cut the pot off, just turn it upside down and hold the dirt with your hand by putting the main stalk between your middle and ring finger. Other than that, I use that same method of using the current pot to make the hole in the new pot, works great.
It's Flowerin' Time! :dance:
12/12 began on 12/1. All three plants have expanded so rapidly since the switch that they might stretch enough for me to turn this comedy of errors into the SCRoG grow I had originally intended. Here's all three, looking good other than some elf-shoe curling on the end of the Thais' new growth.
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I might have to change Stunted's name; she's taken off since I stuck a zip tie under her pot to let air reach the drainage holes. Then again, she also took off after I squashed her root ball like a demented bagpipe player, so who knows?
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Healthy continues to merit her name despite Max and my tandem efforts to do her in. I think she does it to spite me.
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I've stressed Bonsai in every way a plant can be stressed, but out popped nothing but pistils. I was going to expound on how her dogged determination to achieve her goal has inspired me, but that goal was to become a woman, so it would sound a little weird.
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I flushed 'em all on the second day of 12/12 and plan to use Grow Big for one more week, then segue into Big Bloom and finally Big Bloom/Tiger Bloom. I might just skip the screen this round and let them grow as they will. Lord knows they've earned a break from torment.
joe-grow
12-06-2006, 06:31 AM
Hi CCIE, thought I'd drop by to post something to yours, since you're always over bugging me on mine. ;)
So, now I've confirmed what the nick means .... germinating seeds on a router confirmed it. That's the first time I've read about someone doing that. Good idea!
Glad to see that you've gotten off the ground. I'd have to agree with others on here, who've said don't beat yourself up over free seeds. At least you managed to sprout the good ones!
Yours are sure a lot bushier than mine. Mine are line 5 times taller, but have less leaves. Wonder if that's due to the strain or the growing method.
Good luck with the grow! Wonder who will harvest first?
Max the Destroyer has left the building.
The girls no longer live in fear, and I'll tell you: enduring his stay has given me new respect for growers who have kids underfoot. If I was in the house, the ridiculous thing had to be right where I was, watching everything I was doing. Placing a door between us even briefly caused Intense Kitten Psychological Distress, with the result that every gardening session after his 'episode' featured a serenade of mews and frantic scratching. Splifted, if his visit had lasted much longer I'd have started pestering you for training tips. :twocents:
As for the plants:
Stetching has slowed and flowers have begun to appear everywhere, but the two Thais are showing leaf curl that I think indicates excess nitrogen. I plan to give them plain water to drink next time, and perhaps the next two. If they don't perk reasonably after the next watering, I'll flush them.
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As expected, Bonsai appears to be flowering more rapidly than the other two. It's not visible in this shot, but I think one of the flowers already has a trichome. :dance:
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Healthy is a little unhappy but forming flowers just the same. I'm going to re-engineer my DIY cooltube before the next run so the light footprint extends to the edges more evenly; whichever side of the plant is toward the wall starts to stretch. Curious note: she's not that much bigger than the other two, but she drinks like a camel. I have to water the others with .75 her volume to keep a regular schedule.
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Here be Stunted, curly but growing. There's a tremendous amount of new foliage under her canopy, but I'm afraid it's not going to amount to much at this stage.
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Howdy Joe, welcome to the show. Your log caught my attention because the story seemed strangely familiar:
"New, possibly over-analytical grower builds an expensive cabinet and runs into various problems including a faulty HPS fixture. Tuesdays at 11."
I think the height difference is due to the veg lights. Excepting a couple places on Bonsai, I didn't top, FIM or make more than a token attempt to LST. Those 85(true)watt CFLs are potent and were inches from the plants, and beside them - which I suspect encouraged them to grow out, not up. Thai-Tanic is supposed to be lanky but they're as squat as the Skunk. Are you planning to use a MH for veg next round? I'm considering using one to augment the CFLs since it came free with my replacement ballast.
As for finish time, I think my skunk might win the race, but I'll bet you harvest before the Thais are done. :rastasmoke:
joe-grow
12-14-2006, 03:30 PM
Over analytical?! Me? Who told you that? I wonder what you meant by that. (me trying to joke about being over analytical). :cool:
I used the 2', 4-bulb T5 lamps with the 6500k bulbs. I might replace 2 with 3000k bulbs next time around, but I don't think I'll add a MH yet. The fluorescent lamps are great, not burning your plants. I think I got spoiled before switching adding the HPS. I wound up allowing my plants grow way too close to the HPS. I'd say at least 12" from the edge of my hood.
I figure I'll harvest between 1/4 and 1/18, based on a 6 to 8 week flowering period. I need to dig up a magnifying glass, so I can check out the trichomes when they finally show up.
Nothing exorcises one's holiday spirit like spending hours propping up a cocktail and an interested expression while tipsy executives spew manager-speak. I'm fluent, mind you, but it's tiring. Now that I have a quiet moment here's an update:
All three plants have stopped stretching and buds have started to fill in the gaps between flowers. The Thais are a little behind Bonsai, but I expected that. Each brave soldier sacrificed a branch and several mini-budsites to the need for holiday cheer after these pictures were taken. I know it was wasteful, but the amount it looks like I'll be pulling off of the finished plants is well over what I can anticipate needing before the next round is done.
Also, we now have a definitive answer to the question, "will two ounces of fresh 4-week buds and their surrounding foliage create a noticeable effect if extracted into butter and baked into a pan of brownies?"
The answer is yes.
What was intended to be a handicap chess match (with both parties 'handicapped') devolved into an argument about tropical wood harvesting, then finally to games of 'chesspiece checkers' wherein only the knights retained their original mobility.
Final score: 6-4 CCIE, baby. :cool:
So, to the pictures:
Here's all three. Healthy towers as usual. Bonsai and Stunted are yellowing more than I think is normal in week 4 of flowering. I gave them Grow Big along with the Big Bloom and Tiger Bloom the last two waterings, which helped a little.
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Bonsai's buds are beginning to frost with trichomes. Here's a top-shot and an additional close up of her largest cola.
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Healthy has plenty of colas, but the flowers haven't really started to 'connect the dots' yet.
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I forgot to take a downward shot of Stunted Thai, but I do have one of her main cola. Self reminder: I need to grab a loupe sometime in the next few weeks.
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Joe, I think you might get more than you think once the buds start filling; I see at least an ounce in your box if the flowers connect the way Bonsai's have begun to.
joe-grow
12-29-2006, 08:25 AM
Hey CCIE, they are starting to look pretty good. You should see some good yeild as well. As far as mine, I'm hoping that I get at least 2 ounces overall, dried.
With as much that I have been burning on the tops of two of my branches, I'm not sure how close I'll get. I figure that should last me until the next grow. I hope to implement cloning next time around.
Do you turn off your lamp to take these photos?
Hello folks, I'm back in town. Business called me out of state unexpectedly just before the New Year. It was ill-timed, but it was far too interesting a contract to ignore.
So, it's been quite a while. Are the plants dead? Did I take them on the plane with me? Did I hide them outside and hope for rain? Happily, no! A trusted friend has been minding the house and contents. I'll post current pics within the next few days, and be prepared: the change is startling, especially to Bonsai. When I saw her upon my return I wasn't sure whether to laugh or cry - though I think FriendX feared I was also considering 'strangle.' He needn't have worried; I wasn't upset because I'll still have far more than I need. ...but ...well, just wait for the write-up and pictures. :rolleyes:
-edited: I turn off the HPS and leave the CFLs burning when I take pictures, Joe.
joe-grow
01-24-2007, 03:30 AM
Welcome back CCIE, we missed you. Ok, we missed your bud pics. I have no Weeds to watch on Showtime, so I'm clinging to threads here. C'mon where's our fix ;)
Thanks for the tip on the lights - I've started taking photos without the HPS turned on. You'll notice this over in my thread, where I didn't abandon my readers. :)
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