Spy Agencies conclude Iraq War is Increasing Terrorism

[Hamlet]

.....as if any rational mind couldn't discern this for themselves.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/14975242/

[Krogith]

Steep back people and look at it from others point of view. WAR MAKES WAR . Love your fellow mankind. Do not be Misslead

[graymatter]

.....as if any rational mind couldn't discern this for themselves.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/14975242/

Yes, good to see a firm grasp of the obvious...

[Torog]

.....as if any rational mind couldn't discern this for themselves.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/14975242/

Howdy Hamlet,

We want the terrorists to come out of the wood-work,because anyone who wants to attack the Free World with terrorism,needs to be terminated with extreme prejudice..the same goes for rogue regimes that sponsor,train and export terrorists.

Let me guess..yer solution is the Cindy Sheehan solution..complete withdrawal and the abandonment of our democratic ally,Israel.

Have a good one ...

[Bong30]

What About the Madrasass...they make more terrorist before 9 am, then we will ever make all day.

I dont give a fuck what they think of us.....They brough the fight to us..... now we will shove it up there ass.


OR A MODERATE MUSLIM CAN STAND UP AND SAY ENOUGH HATE IS ENOUGH.



ISLAM NEEDS A REFORMATION.....................

[canucktoker]

[quote=Torog]Howdy Hamlet,

We want the terrorists to come out of the wood-work,because anyone who wants to attack the Free World with terrorism,needs to be terminated with extreme prejudice..the same goes for rogue regimes that sponsor,train and export terrorists.

Let me guess..yer solution is the Cindy Sheehan solution..complete withdrawal and the abandonment of our democratic ally,Israel.
[QUOTE]



The terrorists were just hiding until big bad america flushed them out, yeah right, what a fantasy land you live in. You created those "terrorists". They wouldnt have existed if you didnt invade their homeland and start a civil war. You should withdraw from iraq, they dont want you there, no asked for your "help" either. Go home already and admit you were wrong, your international reputation as war mongers couldnt get any worse.
The iraq occupation increases terrorism. Fuck israel and their occupation too

[canucktoker]

I dont give a fuck what they think of us.....They brough the fight to us..... now we will shove it up there ass.


..........


I must have missed that. When did Iraq attack you?

[Bong30]

I must have missed that. When did Iraq attack you?


Stupid fuck................WE went there to fight Radical Islam.


went to Afganistan...............to fight radical islam.


After you pull your head out your ass try again.


Radicalized Muslims are killing people down the street from my house

you fucking piece of shit................


WAKE THE FUCK UP.................



EDIT. Oh yea..... jake......................STFU. You are a waste of Oxygen.

[Krogith]

you are saying your right and your way of life is right and you have decided that they can't decide this for them selfs and revolt USA need to go do that for them? don't you see how that might piss someone off when another nation come in and tell you whats what? are you so ignorant to say it's better now Bong? GET OUT OF YOUR BUBBLE BONG IMO

[Bong30]

Where did i say its better....


If it was up to me.... I would put the commie enemy within coomie bitches like you on a boat to ....i dont give a fuck, and then ALL the Muslims that want me dead can go into concentration Camps.....

Bush will be gone Tom Tancredo would be President.......


OPEN season to kick pussies like you.................... ass.


Now that would be better


Close the fucking border that would be a start.......................

Bush aint going to do that SO HE SUCKS SHIT, just like you krogith

[Krogith]

bong your hate for others blinds you we are all HUMANS, WAR MAKES WAR if you seek peace you need to show it if you seek distruction HATE and war push what you keep pushing. History should teach us something

[Hamlet]

Howdy Hamlet,

We want the terrorists to come out of the wood-work,because anyone who wants to attack the Free World with terrorism,needs to be terminated with extreme prejudice..the same goes for rogue regimes that sponsor,train and export terrorists.

Let me guess..yer solution is the Cindy Sheehan solution..complete withdrawal and the abandonment of our democratic ally,Israel.

Have a good one ...

Howdy Torog,

We're not 'flushing them out' Torog, we're creating them. Iraq had nothing to do with 9/11. Even George Bush finally admitted that. Again, Iraq was the only secular country in the middle east that wouldn't tolerate Clerical rule.

We yanked most of our forces out of Afganistan where they should have been, to invade a neighboring country that was giving our oilmen trouble; in the meantime letting the 9/11 attackers escape. Yes, we should be in Afganistan tearing it apart to find Bin Ladin. But that's only an afterthought because there's no money in it. The bucks are in Iraq.

I like the Cindy Sheehan solution--get our boys out of there before they get their asses shot off! They've been conned into thinking they're defending us from Iraq--a country that's certainly given us a ration of shit, but never attacked us. We've been sold on some fable that we're fighting in Iraq because of terrorism. We're fighting in Iraq because of OIL.

You also have a good one.........

[Bong30]

bong your hate for others blinds you we are all HUMANS, WAR MAKES WAR if you seek peace you need to show it if you seek distruction HATE and war push what you keep pushing. History should teach us something

What did history teach us about JAPAN?




Radical Muslims that want me to convert or DIE... are less than HUMAN.


they want us to live like in the times of Mohammad.......


Look up wahhabism......10% of the religon wants you DEAD....but the other 90% are pussies, just like you guys.

YES krogith MY hate Just like Many americans...is very BAD. Better watch your ass...SOON Enemy WITHIN........

[Cornelius]

Stupid fuck................WE went there to fight Radical Islam.


went to Afganistan...............to fight radical islam.


After you pull your head out your ass try again.


Radicalized Muslims are killing people down the street from my house

you fucking piece of shit................


WAKE THE FUCK UP.................



EDIT. Oh yea..... jake......................STFU. You are a waste of Oxygen.
I suppose that you forgot that Saddam ran a fiercely Atheist regime.

I guess now we now know why...

I'm all for letting him have his fucked up country back. He at least managed to keep them all from murdering each other...

[Bong30]

I suppose that you forgot that Saddam ran a fiercely Atheist regime.

I guess now we now know why...

I'm all for letting him have his fucked up country back. He at least managed to keep them all from murdering each other...


He kept them from murdering .....by Murdering.


NO Moral Eqivalancy.....

We are trying to make a Democracy..behind Islam (stupid imo) The civil war Is....drum roll......Radical _vs_ non radical.... suprise.

Saddam Style was...wanted Iraq,Kuwait.....what ever, Iran.....Gas them Fuckers....he said....


Please, Bring better than that.....

[LIP]

Islam needs wiping out, because untill that religeon's gone, they'll always be the fucking lunatics that think blowing themselves up makes them a martyr.

[Cornelius]

He kept them from murdering .....by Murdering.


NO Moral Eqivalancy.....

We are trying to make a Democracy..behind Islam (stupid imo) The civil war Is....drum roll......Radical _vs_ non radical.... suprise.

Saddam Style was...wanted Iraq,Kuwait.....what ever, Iran.....Gas them Fuckers....he said....


Please, Bring better than that.....


And Bush took Iraq for no reason, and we now torture and sometimes kill people, and don't get half the results. Not to mention the thousands of civilians killed by our bombs and the hundreds who now die each week as a result of our meddling.



please, bring better than that.

[Bong30]

And Bush took Iraq for no reason, and we now torture and sometimes kill people, and don't get half the results. Not to mention the thousands of civilians killed by our bombs and the hundreds who now die each week as a result of our meddling.



please, bring better than that.


What about our thousands dead? You dont care about dead americans.

[Cornelius]

What about our thousands dead? You dont care about dead americans.

of course i care. That is a given. I didn't think i had to spell it out in every single post. But thanks for adding to my point, that thousands have needlesly spilled their blood to make the Iraqi Civil War.

what a goddamn mess

[Bong30]

YES, ISLAM NEEDS A REFORMATION.......

that is how you clean up the mess.

Moderates need to stand up........

[Torog]

Howdy Torog,

We're not 'flushing them out' Torog, we're creating them. Iraq had nothing to do with 9/11. Even George Bush finally admitted that. Again, Iraq was the only secular country in the middle east that wouldn't tolerate Clerical rule.

We yanked most of our forces out of Afganistan where they should have been, to invade a neighboring country that was giving our oilmen trouble; in the meantime letting the 9/11 attackers escape. Yes, we should be in Afganistan tearing it apart to find Bin Ladin. But that's only an afterthought because there's no money in it. The bucks are in Iraq.

I like the Cindy Sheehan solution--get our boys out of there before they get their asses shot off! They've been conned into thinking they're defending us from Iraq--a country that's certainly given us a ration of shit, but never attacked us. We've been sold on some fable that we're fighting in Iraq because of terrorism. We're fighting in Iraq because of OIL.

You also have a good one.........

Howdy Hamlet,

You claim that "we're not flushing them out-we're creating them"..lol..give me a break,are ya saying that there were no terrorists till we "created" them ? Did we also "create" nazi's and commies and japanese imperialists too ? The reason that saddam kept Iraq secular,was so he could be the absolute power and rob Iraq of money.

If we are in Iraq,solely for the oil,then why isn't there a steady stream of it,flowing into the Strategic Reserve and our refineries ? I have heard no reports of such..maybe you have ? As for Afghanistan and Pakistan,there are elements in the goverment and military,of both countries,that are protecting usama..maybe if more of the world would help us,we could have enough soldiers there to overwhelm the systemic corruption and sedition there.

In a way,I kinda like the Sheehan solution too,as soon as we pulled out,and abandoned Israel,Iran will attack Israel and force them to start lobbing nukes all over the ME.maybe then,you'll finally understand the enemy that we face over there and the religion that fuels the war.

Have a good one ...

[Krogith]

point is there is A terrorest in a town then instead of trying to find him we just sloughter the town, Bomb it. well others see this happen and go yeah USA is a horable country rapeing and killing people i'm going to join these guys defending my homeland. hence + more terrorests. If we simply added our $$ and forces to finding and getting the real guys and not creating reasons to join them by blowing everything up. We are distroying there land DU in bunkerbuster bombs stays around for 1000+ years causeing birth defects etc.

[Fengzi]

Bong, you're starting to sound like Dubya.

Dubya's Own Experts: " The war in Iraq has made us less safe from terrorists"
Dubya: "No your wrong, I'm the President and I'm always right"
Dubya's Own Experts: "2+2=4 sir"
Dubya: "No, 2+2=6. I'm the president so I'm always right"

I'd have expected it from Torog but thought you'd have a more sense. I'm so disapointed Bong.

[jamstigator]

Well, we can't just pack up and leave now. If we do, the Iraqis will suffer more, as there would probably be a violent and bloody civil war, and in the end we'd probably end up with some religious freak ruling the country, which would be worse than Saddam by far. Now that we stepped into the mess and got our feet covered in shit, it's gonna be expensive and difficult to get out of there without looking like we got our asses handed to us.

What bugs me is the sheer overwhelming cost. Some estimates put the overall cost of this Iraqi invasion at two TRILLION dollars. That's enough money that we could have fixed our ailing power grids, and made our borders safer, and fixed Social Security for our aging population, and fixed our interstate road systems, AND provided health care for everyone in the country. So we gave up all that, and in return we got...Saddam and a bunch of lucrative rebuilding contracts for Haliburton, and more people than ever willing to strap on bombs and kill themselves to kill even more of us. That was not a good deal for the American people, at least those who drive, or use electricity, or need medical care, or are aging, or want a more secure country. Surely, there were better ways to spend that amount, that would have made us more, rather than less, safe. Too bad Congess just caved and let Bush have his way, rather than doing their jobs and figuring out the BEST way to allocate our resources. But they're gonna pay for that at election time.

[Fengzi]

Howdy Hamlet,

You claim that "we're not flushing them out-we're creating them"..lol..give me a break,are ya saying that there were no terrorists till we "created" them ? Did we also "create" nazi's and commies and japanese imperialists too ?
...


Torog, you give a new meaning to the word "ignorant". Yes, of course there were terrorists before we were in Iraq. Yet before Iraq there were a lot more pissed off Muslims who were content to just spit at the tv when they saw a story about the U.S. on the news. Now that we've invaded, set up a puppet government in, and basically seriously fucked up, a sovereign Muslim nation all those pissed off Muslims are more than happy to blow themselves up in the name of Allah.

Think of it this way, how many American's would have supported invading Afghanistan and overthrowing the Taliban before 9/11? Can't you see the parallel?

[Fengzi]

Well, we can't just pack up and leave now. If we do, the Iraqis will suffer more, as there would probably be a violent and bloody civil war, and in the end we'd probably end up with some religious freak ruling the country, which would be worse than Saddam by far. Now that we stepped into the mess and got our feet covered in shit, it's gonna be expensive and difficult to get out of there without looking like we got our asses handed to us.

What bugs me is the sheer overwhelming cost. Some estimates put the overall cost of this Iraqi invasion at two TRILLION dollars. That's enough money that we could have fixed our ailing power grids, and made our borders safer, and fixed Social Security for our aging population, and fixed our interstate road systems, AND provided health care for everyone in the country. So we gave up all that, and in return we got...Saddam and a bunch of lucrative rebuilding contracts for Haliburton, and more people than ever willing to strap on bombs and kill themselves to kill even more of us. That was not a good deal for the American people, at least those who drive, or use electricity, or need medical care, or are aging, or want a more secure country. Surely, there were better ways to spend that amount, that would have made us more, rather than less, safe. Too bad Congess just caved and let Bush have his way, rather than doing their jobs and figuring out the BEST way to allocate our resources. But they're gonna pay for that at election time.

You sir, have some intelligence:thumbsup: Finally someone who isn't so fixated on taking one side or the other that they've lost all common sense.

[Krogith]

Well, we can't just pack up and leave now. If we do, the Iraqis will suffer more, as there would probably be a violent and bloody civil war, and in the end we'd probably end up with some religious freak ruling the country, which would be worse than Saddam by far. Now that we stepped into the mess and got our feet covered in shit, it's gonna be expensive and difficult to get out of there without looking like we got our asses handed to us.

What bugs me is the sheer overwhelming cost. Some estimates put the overall cost of this Iraqi invasion at two TRILLION dollars. That's enough money that we could have fixed our ailing power grids, and made our borders safer, and fixed Social Security for our aging population, and fixed our interstate road systems, AND provided health care for everyone in the country. So we gave up all that, and in return we got...Saddam and a bunch of lucrative rebuilding contracts for Haliburton, and more people than ever willing to strap on bombs and kill themselves to kill even more of us. That was not a good deal for the American people, at least those who drive, or use electricity, or need medical care, or are aging, or want a more secure country. Surely, there were better ways to spend that amount, that would have made us more, rather than less, safe. Too bad Congess just caved and let Bush have his way, rather than doing their jobs and figuring out the BEST way to allocate our resources. But they're gonna pay for that at election time.

Bush is just a puppet. This is just a pawn move for the bigger players. In the end Human's will never be able to rule them selfs. Putting faith in a crupted system is just aiding there cruption.

[Torog]

Torog, you give a new meaning to the word "ignorant". Yes, of course there were terrorists before we were in Iraq. Yet before Iraq there were a lot more pissed off Muslims who were content to just spit at the tv when they saw a story about the U.S. on the news. Now that we've invaded, set up a puppet government in, and basically seriously fucked up, a sovereign Muslim nation all those pissed off Muslims are more than happy to blow themselves up in the name of Allah.

Think of it this way, how many American's would have supported invading Afghanistan and overthrowing the Taliban before 9/11? Can't you see the parallel?

Howdy Fengzi,

You are being 'ignorant',when you presume that all of those previously 'peaceful' muslims,were not a threat to the Free World,to begin with,because being muslim,means that there can never be any peace in the world,until all non-muslims are slain or converted into dhimini's.

I believe that there were and are,many Americans who have supported toppling rogue regimes in the ME,since the hostage crisis in Iran,back in '79.

I can 'see the parallel',however..'they' support brutal oppression and religious extremeism..we are not alike in that respect,as long as the muslim-arab men,cling to their brutalization and oppression of women and girls,they all need to be turned upside-down on their heads. As long as they threaten(and continue to attack) our democratic allies,then they need to be crushed. Is the reason that you continue to support the muslim-jihadists,because yer envious of how each muslim-arab man,is a brutal dictator to his own family and gits to treat the women and girls,like beasts ?

We were authorized to use force to git saddam to comply with numerous violations of existing UN resolutions,it was a great opportunity to change the ME,hopefully for the better,as well as establish a front-line over there,instead of here. The true danger is Iran and Syria,being in Iraq,makes it easier to take them out. We need more independence from Saudi oil supplies,before we can dump them and start working on that bed of international terrorism. I wish that I could send a personal message,to the prince that was in charge of my district,when I was in Saudi..we heard tell,that he liked to chop off the hands of thieves,personally,in some cases..as well as supporting honor killings and enacting death sentences for gay muslims in his district.

Have a good one ...

[Fengzi]

Is the reason that you continue to support the muslim-jihadists,because yer envious of how each muslim-arab man,is a brutal dictator to his own family and gits to treat the women and girls,like beasts ? ...

I don't support the muslim-jihadists Torog, if you had read some of my other posts you'd see that I am actually very critical of them and support stomping them out with whatever force is neccessary. On the other hand, I refuse to delude myself into believing that our invasion of Iraq has made us any safer from terrorism. Unless of course, the long term goal is to kill every Muslim innthe world. then, I guess, we're on the right track:thumbsup:



We were authorized to use force to git saddam to comply with numerous violations of existing UN resolutions,it was a great opportunity to change the ME,hopefully for the better,as well as establish a front-line over there,instead of here. ... Well, at least your honest about your agenda. Change the ME (to make it just like us, whether they like it or not) and establish a larger military presence there. That's the real goal, right? This whole "make us safer from terrorism" bit is just a way to let us sleep throught he night since the truth would make some folks a bit uncomfortable.




The true danger is Iran and Syria,being in Iraq,makes it easier to take them out. ... Again, it sounds like the long term goal is the eradication of the worldwide Muslim population.


We need more independence from Saudi oil supplies, ... So, this really is a war for oil. Thanks for clearing that up.


I wish that I could send a personal message,to the prince that was in charge of my district,when I was in Saudi..we heard tell,that he liked to chop off the hands of thieves,personally,in some cases..as well as supporting honor killings and enacting death sentences for gay muslims in his district. ... Sounds like your kind of guy.

You just keep belivieving what you want to Torog. 10 years from now when the whole Middle East is a fucking disaster area and the history books show it's all due to Dubya's disastrous foriegn policy I'm sure you'll be first in line for the book burning (probably a pretty long line down ther in Texas;) )

[jamstigator]

I don't think we can win any physical war on Muslims/Arabs. Even if we tried, it'd be like using a machine gun to shoot at an advancing army of killer bees. Sure, we'd get some of them, but we wouldn't noticeably dent their numbers. In fact, shooting at them just riles more of them up and makes the swarm grow in size.

But we shouldn't be warring with Muslims/Arabs *because* they are Muslims/Arabs. That's like killing black people because their parents are black. You can't help where, or from what parents, you are born, and just because your parents are Muslims doesn't make one an extremist. There are plenty of good, peaceful Muslims out there; I've met thousands.

The only real way for victory (which I will define as 'peace') is by winning the battle for the hearts and minds of the common Muslim person. Oh, maybe they will never LOVE us; probably they will not. But we can probably, if we work at it, make it so fewer people just outright HATE us. Defeat the hate that lies beneath the violence, and the violence itself will taper off. Treat the disease, not the symptoms.

A little less arrogance on the part of the U.S. would go a long way. I love my country, but we do tend to tromp around the entire world as if we own it, and that is something that people dislike. I remember when I was living in Turkey, I was at a beer house on the bay next to the sea in Izmir with a Turkish friend. He started pointing at people as they'd walk by, telling me which were Americans. I couldn't figure out how he was identifying which were Americans, because it wasn't by hair or skin color or clothing -- Turks dress pretty much like we do. Finally, I asked him and he explained with a laugh: we walk like we own the ground upon which we tread. There is a distinctly American swagger. And once he explained it, I could do it too, pick the Americans out of the crowd. I eventually learned NOT to walk that way (and to speak Turkish fairly fluently too), and suppressed that American arrogance (and the walk) enough that nobody could easily tell where I was from. Some guessed Yugoslavia, some guessed Pakistan.

I hope it all works out okay in Iraq, not just for us, but for the Iraqi people. But I have my doubts, and day by day it looks more and more like we flushed a couple of trillion dollars down the drain because we acted without consideration for the consequences.

[psychocat]

You will never get people on your side by shooting and bombing them.

[Torog]

You will never get people on your side by shooting and bombing them.

Howdy psychocat,

Yup..yer right..but ya see,some folks ya don't ever want on yer side..like muslim-jihadists and commies.

I hate to inform ya,but ya simply won't ever be able to make friends with everyone in the world. If y'all would simply realize that,then maybe we can make some more progress.. ?

Have a good one ....

[jamstigator]

That's absolutist thinking: that if we can't be friendly with everyone, then it must follow that we might as well not be friendly with much of *anyone*. But the reality is: the more people who like us, the fewer who try to kill us...and vice versa. And if we're waging a PR campaign (which we are, whether we like it or not), then we're doing a piss-poor job of it, especially considering how much money we're throwing around. I bet a mere 50 billion dollars in simple pro-American TV commercials aired around the world would have made us *substantially* safer than the 2 trillion dollars we're throwing at Iraq. Sometimes missiles and guns and brute force *are* the best solutions to a problem, and sometimes we're better off using our brains.

[Fengzi]

Give it up jams, people like Torog, Bong, and that moron in the White House will never understand. They figure the best way to get people to like us is to beat them into submission and kill the ones who don't submit.

[Nylo]

They figure the best way to get people to like us is to beat them into submission and kill the ones who don't submit.


Funny, for a second there your decription exemplifies exactly what radical jihadists do to convert their captives.

But you know, who's paying attention. I'm sure if we give these people warm coffee and some John Lennon tunes all well be well. Maybe even some money and guns! After all we're all equals.

[psychocat]

I still fail to see how America can justify the edict of "if you ain't my freind then you must be my enemy" that is narrow minded and also completely off the scale as far as paranoia goes.

America is as guilty of DICTATING (using threats coercion or violence) to others to change things to how they want them to be.

Never heard of the saying "Live and let live" ??

[Fengzi]

Funny, for a second there your decription exemplifies exactly what radical jihadists do to convert their captives.

But you know, who's paying attention. I'm sure if we give these people warm coffee and some John Lennon tunes all well be well. Maybe even some money and guns! After all we're all equals.

Your right Nylo, my description does exemplify exactly what radical jihadists do to convert their captives. Pretty sharp of you to catch that. So why aren't we going after the radical jihadists? Our being in Iraq has nothing to do with going after radical jihadists. Bush knows it, the terrorsim experts know it, and you should know it too. We're in Iraq because Bush wanted to be known as the president who took down Saddam. Plain and simple. If Bush had a grudge against penguins we'd be in Antartica instead.

[psychocat]

Fengzi you are so right man, Bush and his daddy are IMO a couple of mannabe John Waynes.

[Bong30]

Give it up jams, people like Torog, Bong, and that moron in the White House will never understand. They figure the best way to get people to like us is to beat them into submission and kill the ones who don't submit.
Yup, just like Japan and Germany....yes.....(when the brought the fight to us)


As far as i can remember they brought the fight to us, Infidel..............


We didnt go looking for a fight....They did, now its time to kick ass.

Or be overrun with muslims like France and Londonistan.....Nope

[Bong30]

I still fail to see how America can justify the edict of "if you ain't my freind then you must be my enemy" that is narrow minded and also completely off the scale as far as paranoia goes.

America is as guilty of DICTATING (using threats coercion or violence) to others to change things to how they want them to be.

Never heard of the saying "Live and let live" ??

tell that to Nick bergs Head........

Live and Let live....hahahahahah Tell them that Infidel.


Twist it much....
He said, if your not with us, your against us.....

Its about right and wrong,

Meaning( ill write it out for you libs are a little slow) nice ted turner twist....

If you are not for getting the terrorist cells out of your country (the one whom attacked us) we are coming in to get them........(Coughing in hand saying...afganistan, Iraq....Iran... cough)

THey brought us the FIGHT why can you see it?

lets just sit here like a bunch of pussies..........Hell NO

[Fengzi]

Yup, just like Japan and Germany....yes.....(when the brought the fight to us)


As far as i can remember they brought the fight to us, Infidel..............


We didnt go looking for a fight....They did, now its time to kick ass.

Or be overrun with muslims like France and Londonistan.....Nope

So, what are we doing in Iraq?? That's the whole point Bong. You should know by now that I'm just as anti-Jihadist as you or Torog. But the people who brought the fight to us aren't in Iraq, they're in Afghanistan and Pakistan. Oddly, it seems they're not as important as propping up Bush's ego. I just can't understand how you can't be pissed off that we've pulled our resources away from where the real threat is. How many brave young Americans have to die simply because taking down Saddam makes Dubya's dick hard. Wouldn't a viagra have made a lot more sense?

[Bong30]

IMO, We are in Iraq just like we say we are.

To get rid of crazy dictator.....On kuwait alone....he was due, should have got him on Deasrt storm... let stormin Normin at his ass...LOL

Install a democracy (ya know, vote for your leader) had to get rid of Saddam for that.

Liberate the people, from Saddam. Seriously, he ruled BY DEATH nice guy

Remember it is still under Muslim Law....In Iraq it is.
1.Islam
2.Goverment
3.people
in that order

Islam first? That is bullshit.

A cornerstone of America. Seperation Of church and state... Im talking Macro, not micro(...IE nativity scene...in front of state building)

Im talking about the first thing is Allah, Mohaamed, and then Iraq. = lame


So for all the people that think we went the to just make them like us Devil westerners.....why did we let them have Islam first?

Peace
Fengzi

[psychocat]

What you forget bong is that America got involved in the politics of Afghanistan and the Middle East and by doing that they pissed off a whole shitload of people thereby creating their own enemies.

If America continues to throw it's weight around and bomb innocent civilians I can see that number of enemies steadily growing , you see the flaw in your logic yet?

America tries to dictate what others can or cannot do simply on the premise of "do as we say or we'll bomb ya" ??????? Thats what you folks call democracy?

I am glad you are not representative of all your countrymen.

PS does GWB not proclaim himself a "God fearin' Christian"?

[Fengzi]

IMO, We are in Iraq just like we say we are.

To get rid of crazy dictator.....On kuwait alone....he was due, should have got him on Deasrt storm... let stormin Normin at his ass...LOL

Install a democracy (ya know, vote for your leader) had to get rid of Saddam for that.

Liberate the people, from Saddam. Seriously, he ruled BY DEATH nice guy

Remember it is still under Muslim Law....In Iraq it is.
1.Islam
2.Goverment
3.people
in that order

Islam first? That is bullshit.

A cornerstone of America. Seperation Of church and state... Im talking Macro, not micro(...IE nativity scene...in front of state building)

Im talking about the first thing is Allah, Mohaamed, and then Iraq. = lame


So for all the people that think we went the to just make them like us Devil westerners.....why did we let them have Islam first?

Peace
Fengzi

Well Bong, you just admitted it. We are in Iraq not because they had wmd's, not because of terrorisim, but "To get rid of crazy dictator". And why this crazy dictator in a world full of them? Because he just happened to be on Dubya's shit list. If that's ok with you then I say "fine, more power to ya" At least you got the balls to call it what it is and not try to sugar coat it by saying it will make us safer from terrorists.

As far as Islam first, I agree, it is bullshit. For us. But if it works for them so who are we to say they're wrong. Some people like NY style pizza, some like Chicago style. Is one wrong and the other right? Should Bloomberg lead an invasion of Chicago to settle it once and for all?

[psychocat]

As far as Islam first, I agree, it is bullshit. For us. But if it works for them so who are we to say they're wrong. Some people like NY style pizza, some like Chicago style. Is one wrong and the other right? Should Bloomberg lead an invasion of Chicago to settle it once and for all?


Very funny man :D :D

I like your sardonic soh.

[Bong30]

It is wrong guys..

Have you read what is taught in the Madrassas? They teach that they are above us INFIDELS. It is ok to convert by the sowrd? The christians have learned from thier mistakes and even said sorry.



When the "state" tells you what your religon should be....your FUCKed

Seperation of church and state is missunderstood....it is so the state cant tell US about church....like witch one to go.

[Bong30]

How Islam treats women should be enough to call for a reformation.


^^^^^^anyone on that Idea?^^^^^^^


what about there tollerance for other religons?

[Fengzi]

Well, I'd have to ask a bunch of Muslim women how they felt. If they've got no problem with the way they're treated, then I don't have a problem with it either.

I'm not saying that I agree with what they teach in the Madrassass, and since I am not religious at all, I sure as shit don't want the state telling me what my religion should be. But, if they've got no problem with it, and they don't bother us, then we have no right to try and change them. Now if they come here and try to "convert by the sword" then we should hunt them down like vermin. Until they do, we should leave them alone. I guess that's why I'm so pissed that our focus isn't on the hard core fundy countries but on Iraq instead.