Chavez - UN?

[joebhoy]

Anyone see I must say the only man I seen talking sense on it for along time?

Looks like he will be on security council.

I wonder if George Bush is happy :dance:

[Bong30]

We need to push the people to overthrough his Dumb ASS............


or just snipe him.


He called Bush the devil... and me a terrorist.....nice nice

just kill him and get it over with.



Hey Fuck face,.......... do you live here in the states? Ireland?

you sure have alot of Bush hate for living over seas.........


Edit...Fuck the Security Council and the UN. Ball less cowards just like you Joe.

[Bong30]

you were fishing......did you catch a Big one?

[Psycho4Bud]

"Representatives of the governments of the world, good morning to all of you.
First of all, I would like to invite you, very respectfully, to those who have
not read this book, to read it. Noam Chomsky, one of the most prestigious
American and world intellectuals, Noam Chomsky, and this is one of his most
recent books, 'Hegemony or Survival: The Imperialist Strategy of the United
States.'" (Holds up book, waves it in front of General Assembly.)

"It's an excellent book to help us understand what has been happening in the
world throughout the 20th century, and what's happening now, and the greatest
threat looming over our planet. The hegemonic pretensions of the American
empire are placing at risk the very survival of the human species. We continue
to warn you about this danger and we appeal to the people of the United States
and the world to halt this threat, which is like a sword hanging over our
heads. I had considered reading from this book, but, for the sake of time,"
(flips through the pages, which are numerous) "I will just leave it as a
recommendation.

It reads easily, it is a very good book, I'm sure Madame (President) you are
familiar with it. It appears in English, in Russian, in Arabic, in German. I
think that the first people who should read this book are our brothers and
sisters in the United States, because their threat is right in their own house.
The devil is right at home. The devil, the devil himself, is right in the house.

"And the devil came here yesterday. Yesterday the devil came here. Right here."
(crosses himself)

"And it smells of sulfur still today."

Yesterday, ladies and gentlemen, from this rostrum, the president of the United
States, the gentleman to whom I refer as the devil, came here, talking as if he
owned the world. Truly. As the owner of the world.

I think we could call a psychiatrist to analyze yesterday's statement made by
the president of the United States. As the spokesman of imperialism, he came to
share his nostrums, to try to preserve the current pattern of domination,
exploitation and pillage of the peoples of the world.

An Alfred Hitchcock movie could use it as a scenario. I would even propose a
title: "The Devil's Recipe."

As Chomsky says here, clearly and in depth, the American empire is doing all it
can to consolidate its system of domination. And we cannot allow them to do
that. We cannot allow world dictatorship to be consolidated.

CHAVEZ (THROUGH TRANSLATOR): The world parent's statement -- cynical,
hypocritical, full of this imperial hypocrisy from the need they have to
control everything.

They say they want to impose a democratic model. But that's their democratic
model. It's the false democracy of elites, and, I would say, a very original
democracy that's imposed by weapons and bombs and firing weapons.

What a strange democracy. Aristotle might not recognize it or others who are at
the root of democracy.

What type of democracy do you impose with marines and bombs?

The president of the United States, yesterday, said to us, right here, in this
room, and I'm quoting, "Anywhere you look, you hear extremists telling you can
escape from poverty and recover your dignity through violence, terror and
martyrdom."

Wherever he looks, he sees extremists. And you, my brother -- he looks at your
color, and he says, oh, there's an extremist. Evo Morales, the worthy president
of Bolivia, looks like an extremist to him.

The imperialists see extremists everywhere. It's not that we are extremists.
It's that the world is waking up. It's waking up all over. And people are
standing up.

I have the feeling, dear world dictator, that you are going to live the rest of
your days as a nightmare because the rest of us are standing up, all those who
are rising up against American imperialism, who are shouting for equality, for
respect, for the sovereignty of nations.

CHAVEZ (THROUGH TRANSLATOR): Yes, you can call us extremists, but we are rising
up against the empire, against the model of domination.

The president then -- and this he said himself, he said: "I have come to speak
directly to the populations in the Middle East, to tell them that my country
wants peace."

That's true. If we walk in the streets of the Bronx, if we walk around New York,
Washington, San Diego, in any city, San Antonio, San Francisco, and we ask
individuals, the citizens of the United States, what does this country want?
Does it want peace? They'll say yes.

But the government doesn't want peace. The government of the United States
doesn't want peace. It wants to exploit its system of exploitation, of pillage,
of hegemony through war.

It wants peace. But what's happening in Iraq? What happened in Lebanon? In
Palestine? What's happening? What's happened over the last 100 years in Latin
America and in the world? And now threatening Venezuela -- new threats against
Venezuela, against Iran?

He spoke to the people of Lebanon. Many of you, he said, have seen how your
homes and communities were caught in the crossfire. How cynical can you get?
What a capacity to lie shamefacedly. The bombs in Beirut with millimetric
precision?

CHAVEZ (THROUGH TRANSLATOR): This is crossfire? He's thinking of a western, when
people would shoot from the hip and somebody would be caught in the crossfire.

This is imperialist, fascist, assassin, genocidal, the empire and Israel firing
on the people of Palestine and Lebanon. That is what happened. And now we hear,
"We're suffering because we see homes destroyed.'

The president of the United States came to talk to the peoples -- to the peoples
of the world. He came to say -- I brought some documents with me, because this
morning I was reading some statements, and I see that he talked to the people
of Afghanistan, the people of Lebanon, the people of Iran. And he addressed all
these peoples directly.

And you can wonder, just as the president of the United States addresses those
peoples of the world, what would those peoples of the world tell him if they
were given the floor? What would they have to say?

And I think I have some inkling of what the peoples of the south, the oppressed
people think. They would say, "Yankee imperialist, go home." I think that is
what those people would say if they were given the microphone and if they could
speak with one voice to the American imperialists.

And that is why, Madam President, my colleagues, my friends, last year we came
here to this same hall as we have been doing for the past eight years, and we
said something that has now been confirmed -- fully, fully confirmed.

CHAVEZ (THROUGH TRANSLATOR): I don't think anybody in this room could defend the
system. Let's accept -- let's be honest. The U.N. system, born after the Second
World War, collapsed. It's worthless.

Oh, yes, it's good to bring us together once a year, see each other, make
statements and prepare all kinds of long documents, and listen to good
speeches, like Abel's (ph) yesterday, or President Mullah's (ph). Yes, it's
good for that.

And there are a lot of speeches, and we've heard lots from the president of Sri
Lanka, for instance, and the president of Chile.

But we, the assembly, have been turned into a merely deliberative organ. We have
no power, no power to make any impact on the terrible situation in the world.
And that is why Venezuela once again proposes, here, today, 20 September, that
we re-establish the United Nations.

Last year, Madam, we made four modest proposals that we felt to be crucially
important. We have to assume the responsibility our heads of state, our
ambassadors, our representatives, and we have to discuss it.

The first is expansion, and Mullah (ph) talked about this yesterday right here.
The Security Council, both as it has permanent and non-permanent categories,
(inaudible) developing countries and LDCs must be given access as new permanent
members. That's step one.

CHAVEZ (THROUGH TRANSLATOR): Second, effective methods to address and resolve
world conflicts, transparent decisions.

Point three, the immediate suppression -- and that is something everyone's
calling for -- of the anti-democratic mechanism known as the veto, the veto on
decisions of the Security Council.

Let me give you a recent example. The immoral veto of the United States allowed
the Israelis, with impunity, to destroy Lebanon. Right in front of all of us as
we stood there watching, a resolution in the council was prevented.

Fourthly, we have to strengthen, as we've always said, the role and the powers
of the secretary general of the United Nations.

Yesterday, the secretary general practically gave us his speech of farewell. And
he recognized that over the last 10 years, things have just gotten more
complicated; hunger, poverty, violence, human rights violations have just
worsened. That is the tremendous consequence of the collapse of the United
Nations system and American hegemonistic pretensions.

Madam, Venezuela a few years ago decided to wage this battle within the United
Nations by recognizing the United Nations, as members of it that we are, and
lending it our voice, our thinking.

Our voice is an independent voice to represent the dignity and the search for
peace and the reformulation of the international system; to denounce
persecution and aggression of hegemonistic forces on the planet.

CHAVEZ (THROUGH TRANSLATOR): This is how Venezuela has presented itself.
Bolivar's home has sought a nonpermanent seat on the Security Council.

Let's see. Well, there's been an open attack by the U.S. government, an immoral
attack, to try and prevent Venezuela from being freely elected to a post in the
Security Council.

The imperium is afraid of truth, is afraid of independent voices. It calls us
extremists, but they are the extremists.

And I would like to thank all the countries that have kindly announced their
support for Venezuela, even though the ballot is a secret one and there's no
need to announce things.

But since the imperium has attacked, openly, they strengthened the convictions
of many countries. And their support strengthens us.

Mercosur, as a bloc, has expressed its support, our brothers in Mercosur.
Venezuela, with Brazil, Argentina, Paraguay, Uruguay, is a full member of
Mercosur.

And many other Latin American countries, CARICOM, Bolivia have expressed their
support for Venezuela. The Arab League, the full Arab League has voiced its
support. And I am immensely grateful to the Arab world, to our Arab brothers,
our Caribbean brothers, the African Union. Almost all of Africa has expressed
its support for Venezuela and countries such as Russia or China and many
others.

CHAVEZ (THROUGH TRANSLATOR): I thank you all warmly on behalf of Venezuela, on
behalf of our people, and on behalf of the truth, because Venezuela, with a
seat on the Security Council, will be expressing not only Venezuela's thoughts,
but it will also be the voice of all the peoples of the world, and we will
defend dignity and truth.

Over and above all of this, Madam President, I think there are reasons to be
optimistic. A poet would have said "helplessly optimistic," because over and
above the wars and the bombs and the aggressive and the preventive war and the
destruction of entire peoples, one can see that a new era is dawning.

As Sylvia Rodriguez (ph) says, the era is giving birth to a heart. There are
alternative ways of thinking. There are young people who think differently. And
this has already been seen within the space of a mere decade. It was shown that
the end of history was a totally false assumption, and the same was shown about
Pax Americana and the establishment of the capitalist neo-liberal world. It has
been shown, this system, to generate mere poverty. Who believes in it now?

What we now have to do is define the future of the world. Dawn is breaking out
all over. You can see it in Africa and Europe and Latin America and Oceanea. I
want to emphasize that optimistic vision.

We have to strengthen ourselves, our will to do battle, our awareness. We have
to build a new and better world.

Venezuela joins that struggle, and that's why we are threatened. The U.S. has
already planned, financed and set in motion a coup in Venezuela, and it
continues to support coup attempts in Venezuela and elsewhere.

CHAVEZ (THROUGH TRANSLATOR): President Michelle Bachelet reminded us just a
moment ago of the horrendous assassination of the former foreign minister,
Orlando Letelier.

And I would just add one thing: Those who perpetrated this crime are free. And
that other event where an American citizen also died were American themselves.
They were CIA killers, terrorists.

And we must recall in this room that in just a few days there will be another
anniversary. Thirty years will have passed from this other horrendous terrorist
attack on the Cuban plane, where 73 innocents died, a Cubana de Aviacion
airliner.

And where is the biggest terrorist of this continent who took the responsibility
for blowing up the plane? He spent a few years in jail in Venezuela. Thanks to
CIA and then government officials, he was allowed to escape, and he lives here
in this country, protected by the government.

And he was convicted. He has confessed to his crime. But the U.S. government has
double standards. It protects terrorism when it wants to.

And this is to say that Venezuela is fully committed to combating terrorism and
violence. And we are one of the people who are fighting for peace.

Luis Posada Carriles is the name of that terrorist who is protected here. And
other tremendously corrupt people who escaped from Venezuela are also living
here under protection: a group that bombed various embassies, that assassinated
people during the coup. They kidnapped me and they were going to kill me, but I
think God reached down and our people came out into the streets and the army
was too, and so I'm here today.

But these people who led that coup are here today in this country protected by
the American government. And I accuse the American government of protecting
terrorists and of having a completely cynical discourse.

CHAVEZ (THROUGH TRANSLATOR): We mentioned Cuba. Yes, we were just there a few
days ago. We just came from there happily.

And there you see another era born. The Summit of the 15, the Summit of the
Nonaligned, adopted a historic resolution. This is the outcome document. Don't
worry, I'm not going to read it.

But you have a whole set of resolutions here that were adopted after open debate
in a transparent matter -- more than 50 heads of state. Havana was the capital
of the south for a few weeks, and we have now launched, once again, the group
of the nonaligned with new momentum.

And if there is anything I could ask all of you here, my companions, my brothers
and sisters, it is to please lend your good will to lend momentum to the
Nonaligned Movement for the birth of the new era, to prevent hegemony and
prevent further advances of imperialism.

And as you know, Fidel Castro is the president of the nonaligned for the next
three years, and we can trust him to lead the charge very efficiently.

Unfortunately they thought, "Oh, Fidel was going to die." But they're going to
be disappointed because he didn't. And he's not only alive, he's back in his
green fatigues, and he's now presiding the nonaligned.

So, my dear colleagues, Madam President, a new, strong movement has been born, a
movement of the south. We are men and women of the south.

With this document, with these ideas, with these criticisms, I'm now closing my
file. I'm taking the book with me. And, don't forget, I'm recommending it very
warmly and very humbly to all of you.

CHAVEZ (THROUGH TRANSLATOR): We want ideas to save our planet, to save the
planet from the imperialist threat. And hopefully in this very century, in not
too long a time, we will see this, we will see this new era, and for our
children and our grandchildren a world of peace based on the fundamental
principles of the United Nations, but a renewed United Nations.

And maybe we have to change location. Maybe we have to put the United Nations
somewhere else; maybe a city of the south. We've proposed Venezuela.

You know that my personal doctor had to stay in the plane. The chief of security
had to be left in a locked plane. Neither of these gentlemen was allowed to
arrive and attend the U.N. meeting. This is another abuse and another abuse of
power on the part of the Devil. It smells of sulfur here, but God is with us
and I embrace you all.

May God bless us all. Good day to you.
http://auto_sol.tao.ca/node/view/2317

Well, here's the transcript from asshole #2. Since the U.S. is this big bad country why is it that we allow these dirt bags to come onto our shores and talk this type of garbage? How far do you think a U.S. citizen would get if this type of talk were in Tehran or Caracas? But I guess that's a different story..........

Have a good one!:thumbsup:

[dopesmoker]

so you guys hate everyone with a negative view of the States? that is beyond ridiculous

[Nylo]

If history is any indication we will see war with Iran and Venezuela in our lifetime. No one wants to take action against these warning signs to the world.

Instead modern liberalism applauds Chavez, "hooray, a speaker of the people!" They can't fathom the damage they are doing.

[graymatter]

so you guys hate everyone with a negative view of the States? that is beyond ridiculous

Nah, I agree, no need to get worked up over him... I thought Chavez was smart by making that oil deal with China, until the U.S. got China to agree that Venezuela must ship the oil to them... the song remains the same in the Banana Republic

[Nylo]

so you guys hate everyone with a negative view of the States? that is beyond ridiculous

It's rediculous to hate a man who supports islamic terrorist regimes and plans to construct missiles that could reach the united states?

Chavez isn't some candy-ass from down the block, you know.

[graymatter]

It's rediculous to hate a man who supports islamic terrorist regimes and plans to construct missiles that could reach the united states?

Chavez isn't some candy-ass from down the block, you know.

Umm, yes he is... but it's not a judgement on his machismo, just his geography... sort of insignificant.

[Euphoric]

http://fchan.hentaiplanet.net/src/flash_1157974055246_[SFW]oinkoink_mb.swf
u have to copy and paste it

[Hamlet]

I get a kick out of Chavez. Sure he's a blowhard, but he holds a mirror up to our own hypocracy and he really is trying to help his people. When Pat Robertson is calling for his assassination he must be doing something right.

[Mark Bryan]

I get a kick out of Chavez. Sure he's a blowhard, but he holds a mirror up to our own hypocracy and he really is trying to help his people. When Pat Robertson is calling for his assassination he must be doing something right. At least WE allow him to speak! If we said those things in HIS country,we'd be in JAIL! Think about that! Hope that foot of yours was clean before ya put it in yer mouth!

[Bong30]

He doesnt come to my country and say shit about my president....NO RESPECT TO THE PEOPLE OF AMERICA.

HERE IS A PIC OF A ANTI CHAVEZ RALLY....


we should have shot him...................

With respect to domestic policies, critics report that both corruption and crime are rampant.[132][133] They also cite a failing infrastructure and public hospitals.[93] Criticism from Chávez supporters arises from reports that Chávez is not fulfilling his major campaign pledges with respect to labor and land reform.[134][135][136]

Critics have also charged that the Chávez government has engaged in "gigantic fraud" during the 2004 recall referendum.[137] Human rights organizations Amnesty International and Human Rights Watch have documented numerous human rights violations in Venezuela, although these have usually been reports of police misbehaviour and brutality rather than criticism of Chávez's policies.[138][139] The Venezuelan police have been criticised for human rights abuse for long before Chávez gained power. The United States government claims that his cooperation in the War on Terrorism is negligible or purposely indifferent with regards to the FARC and ELN;[140] nonetheless, the U.S. government says there is no evidence of a direct link between terrorism and Chávez.[141]

Several public figures have even gone so far as to call for the assassination of Chávez, most notably US Conservative Christian televangelist Pat Robertson.[142] Other such requests have been expressed by Venezuelan actor Orlando Urdaneta[43] and former president of Venezuela Carlos Andrés Pérez.[143] The US Ambassador to Venezuela between 2001 and 2004, Charles Shapiro, also reported to the Chávez administration two potential assassination plots.[43]

Chavez has been accussed of concentrating power of judicial and legislative branches



VVVVVV all these people want Hugo OUT....why do you? VVVVVVV

[Hamlet]

"At least WE allow him to speak! If we said those things in HIS country,we'd be in JAIL! Think about that! Hope that foot of yours was clean before ya put it in yer mouth!"

The U.N. allowed him to speak. 'We' tried to instigate a coup/assassination against him a while back through a third party. (hhmm, should I make a snappy comeback about a certain body part being in an orifice too? naaa...I'll let it go at that)

[Nylo]

I get a kick out of Chavez. Sure he's a blowhard, but he holds a mirror up to our own hypocracy and he really is trying to help his people. When Pat Robertson is calling for his assassination he must be doing something right.


When George Bush says "you can't say that"
-there's a shit storm

When George Bush says "they are evil-doers"
-there's a shit storm

When George Bush says "we can take your money"
- there's a shit storm

When George Bush disagrees with a political oponnent
- there's a shit storm

When Chaves does any of the above

- Hooooray!

[Nylo]

"[I]
The U.N. allowed him to speak. 'We' tried to instigate a coup/assassination against him a while back through a third party.

"We" are the life-blood of the U.N.

Chavez supports islamic terrorism through third parties. Gee, I wonder which one is more dangerous.

[Hamlet]

Chavez-leader of a small banana republic (fucked over by the US more than they can count)-- acting like a thug.....hilarious

Bush-President of the United States; standing in the shadow of Washington, Jefferson, Lincoln,-- acting like a thug.....embarrasssing

[graymatter]

"We" are the life-blood of the U.N.

Chavez supports islamic terrorism through third parties. Gee, I wonder which one is more dangerous.

Chavez loves Chavez... it's that simple. Everyone outside the Banana republic thinks he's a comedian. He wants to stay in power in his isolated area. Don't make more of it than that...

[Hamlet]

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/14960588/

Applause after calling Bush 'the devil'
Venezuelan President Hugo Chavez was the most bombastic, outstripping even Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad by branding Bush the devil. What surprised many listeners was not necessarily the remarks, which were typical for Chavez, but the applause and titters of laughter that he received in response.

â??A few years ago that would have been heard in stony silence,â?� Council of Europe Secretary-General Terry Davis said. â??Not because people were afraid to show their agreement, but because they wouldnâ??t have agreed with it. If I was working for the American government, thatâ??s what would worry me.â?�

[Mark Bryan]

www.offspring.com

[Bluntman26]

...okay. You guys are making it seem like Hugo Chavez is some pushover who just talks shit on the US. Im sure you would be doing the same thing if you were democratically elected and the American CIA planned a Cou de etat just to oust you from power. You guys watch too much fox news channel or have little or no education straight up. He has a different view on social and economic strategies. Latin america has always been raped by imperalistic countries that are taken advantage of by "1st world" countries. Hes not a puppet like so many other PMs or presidents

[graymatter]

I don't disagree with all his views, or minimize the century old plight of Latin America over western imperialism. But his antics are self defeating. They make for good entertainment, but he'll gain little or no support outside the Banana Republic if he continues to make the U.S. his enemy....

[Cornelius]

I have been calling Bush the devil since 2000, why am I not on CNN?

[Bong30]

I have been calling Bush the devil since 2000, why am I not on CNN?

Cause you are a FUck Stain,

[darkside]

bong you are so full of shit i can smell you through the computer screen. instead of making an effective argument, you attack people just like the rest of the neo cons who are sucking the life blood from america. people like you are the problem with this world. people who perpetuate war with 1 dimensional thinking. i bet you believe dubya when he rails "they hate us for our freedom" and all of their fear mongering catch phrases like islamofascism(which coincedentally is not even a word or at all accurate). take chavez for example. "o my god he insulted our president we should have him tortured and shot" and bush was the one that supported a coup against him for not giving us an oil contract. who sounds like the fascists here...you and your neo con cronies. what you dont realize is that your ideology is just as radical and harmful as the islamists. but that would require THINKING on your part and that may be above your abilities.

[halo]

Cause you are a FUck Stain,

Why are you not banned. I thought verbally attacking someone resulted in a ban. As was the case with GS. But when bong30 verbally attacks someone. Its ok. There is so much hypocrisy in these boards.

[Transition Force]

Anyone see I must say the only man I seen talking sense on it for along time?

Looks like he will be on security council.

I wonder if George Bush is happy :dance:

fuck no

he's just as facist - if not worse - than bush

he's passed laws in his country that will jail a person for 6 months for opposing presidential policies, even bush hasn't gone that far

and he's aligned himself with a crazy dictator who stones 13 year old girls to death for the "crime" of being raped by their older brother

this just goes to prove we need US out of the UN

[Doctor mj]

Why are you not banned. I thought verbally attacking someone resulted in a ban. As was the case with GS. But when bong30 verbally attacks someone. Its ok. There is so much hypocrisy in these boards.

I was wondering the same thing, I got banned for slightly verbally attacking Bong30, when in reality i only repeated what he said to me.

But ya Bong30 is only watching Fox News and is reading the Main HEADLINE "CHAVEZ CALLS BUSH THE DEVIL!" or "IS CHAVEZ OUT OF HIS MIND?"

IF you actually listened to his speech it was very truthful and he doesn't hate americans he hates the american government. he has a home in Harlem, New York.
He is also selling cheaper oil to over 200 000 new yorkers that are below the poverty line.
This guy cares about the people even though there not in his country, THIS IS Why the UN loves him.
So for you irrresponsible careless readers and TV FOX news watchers listen carefully and read more clear, because ignorance of your surroundings is powerful power to the government.

[Nylo]

bong you are so full of shit i can smell you through the computer screen. instead of making an effective argument, you attack people just like the rest of the neo cons who are sucking the life blood from america. people like you are the problem with this world. people who perpetuate war with 1 dimensional thinking. i bet you believe dubya when he rails "they hate us for our freedom" and all of their fear mongering catch phrases like islamofascism(which coincedentally is not even a word or at all accurate). take chavez for example. "o my god he insulted our president we should have him tortured and shot" and bush was the one that supported a coup against him for not giving us an oil contract. who sounds like the fascists here...you and your neo con cronies. what you dont realize is that your ideology is just as radical and harmful as the islamists. but that would require THINKING on your part and that may be above your abilities.

It amazes me that people who insult George Bush for his inarticulate way with words surpass him in knowing LESS about international politics than he does.

George Bush is the WORST communicator of all time. But that doesn't by any streatch of the imagination mean he's wrong when it comes to islamic jihadists. If you honestly are under the impression that islamic terrorism is not a global threat, that it is fabricated, that they really don't hate your values and what you see as freedom, you are living the polar opposite of George Bush's 1-dimensional approach to world politics, and equally do us all the same amount of service.

[joebhoy]

fuck no

he's just as facist - if not worse - than bush

he's passed laws in his country that will jail a person for 6 months for opposing presidential policies, even bush hasn't gone that far

and he's aligned himself with a crazy dictator who stones 13 year old girls to death for the "crime" of being raped by their older brother

this just goes to prove we need US out of the UN

BS Venezuela is more democratic country than even USA (fact)

[Psycho4Bud]

Why are you not banned. I thought verbally attacking someone resulted in a ban. As was the case with GS. But when bong30 verbally attacks someone. Its ok. There is so much hypocrisy in these boards.

You thought wrong. Verbal attacks fall under an infraction in MOST forums in here. Also, DON'T try to compare this to the reason that G.S. got a ban, you apparently don't know the reason behind his. Verbal attacks have been/are/ and probably will be present in here........if you don't care for that, post in the lounge. The sexuallity forum is run pretty much the same as in this area. Just a different beast.



I was wondering the same thing, I got banned for slightly verbally attacking Bong30, when in reality i only repeated what he said to me.

Getting pretty deep in here Doc. YOU are the one that likes to accuse members of working for the government.......not Bong30. If you have PROOF of this, post it or e-mail me and I'll ban the member for life, but if you accuse another member again with no proof, well, your on your last leg after two other violations of doing this.

***I would ask EVERYONE in here to PLEASE debate politics in a respectful manner. I know from personal experiences that this can be hard; do to the nature of the beast in this forum things do get heated but please, give it a try.***

Have a good one!:thumbsup:

[Doctor mj]

[/quote] Getting pretty deep in here Doc. YOU are the one that likes to accuse members of working for the government.......not Bong30. If you have PROOF of this, post it or e-mail me and I'll ban the member for life, but if you accuse another member again with no proof, well, your on your last leg after two other violations of doing this.

***I would ask EVERYONE in here to PLEASE debate politics in a respectful manner. I know from personal experiences that this can be hard; do to the nature of the beast in this forum things do get heated but please, give it a try.***

Have a good one!:thumbsup:[/QUOTE]

Ummmmmmmmmm I didnt get banned for accusing him of being a government worker,
If i can recall i called him a ex-cokehead, (which is true and he has admitted)
I guess U took it too personally and banned me for that.
Its all cool though,
Because I know.

[Psycho4Bud]

[/QUOTE]

Ummmmmmmmmm I didnt get banned for accusing him of being a government worker,
If i can recall i called him a ex-cokehead, (which is true and he has admitted)
I guess U took it too personally and banned me for that.
Its all cool though,
Because I know.[/QUOTE]


No, that's why you got banned. For stating that a member of this community was a government employee. I'm SURE I'll catch heat for this one but I don't really care. If Torog was making the same type of false accusations against Great Spirit I'd do the same thing. First time was 3.......see ya in 30.

If you got PROOF send me an e-mail and I'll lift the ban on you and boot Bongs ass out for good. This is first and foremost a cannabis site, if you accuse a member of this type of crap you better have your FACTS straight.

Have a good one!:thumbsup:

As you were saying.............you were warned, banned for 3, then 30 for the same CRAP. You can tell whatever story you want but the fact remains......one more time and it'll be for good.

Have a good one!:thumbsup:

[Doctor mj]

Ummmmmmmmmm I didnt get banned for accusing him of being a government worker,
If i can recall i called him a ex-cokehead, (which is true and he has admitted)
I guess U took it too personally and banned me for that.
Its all cool though,
Because I know.[/QUOTE]



As you were saying.............you were warned, banned for 3, then 30 for the same CRAP. You can tell whatever story you want but the fact remains......one more time and it'll be for good.

Have a good one!:thumbsup:[/QUOTE]

One more time what?
Can you explain to me what I can and can't say? so I can censor myself, because I wouldnt want to offend anyone especially a Fair/Balanced admin.
Im serious (im not being sarcastic) please explain to me, of what your warning me of.

[Psycho4Bud]

Play all the games ya want Doc. YOU know what I'm talking about. It's your choice in the end..........This debate is done.......like I stated, you play it however you like.

Have a good one!:thumbsup:

[Doctor mj]

Play all the games ya want Doc. YOU know what I'm talking about. It's your choice in the end..........This debate is done.......like I stated, you play it however you like.

Have a good one!:thumbsup:

OK seriously we need to talk this man to man, instead of posting on threads,
Do you have yahoo chat? msn chat? maybe i can add you and we can actually get a real conversation going about this.

[darkside]

It amazes me that people who insult George Bush for his inarticulate way with words surpass him in knowing LESS about international politics than he does.

George Bush is the WORST communicator of all time. But that doesn't by any streatch of the imagination mean he's wrong when it comes to islamic jihadists. If you honestly are under the impression that islamic terrorism is not a global threat, that it is fabricated, that they really don't hate your values and what you see as freedom, you are living the polar opposite of George Bush's 1-dimensional approach to world politics, and equally do us all the same amount of service.

i am not under the impression that terrorism is not a threat. i do believe that this administration has failed in aprehending bin laden and other top al quaeda members, and has succeeded in creating more terrorists, alienating the rest of the world, and continually misleading the american public. the thing that most astounds me about them is the absolute lack in accountability for their actions. remember 9/11 happened under their watch, but instead of taking responsibility for their mistake and learning from it, they blame it on Clinton. they are unwilling to admit that they underestimated bin laden before 9/11 and again when they let him escape by moving troops out of afganistan into iraq. when they found out there were no wmds they still didnt admit they were wrong, they just changed their tune and started saying "we did it to liberate those poor iraqis from saddam." this administration is a bullshit factory that has been selling the same ole lies to the american public again and again.

[Bong30]

OK seriously we need to talk this man to man, instead of posting on threads,
Do you have yahoo chat? msn chat? maybe i can add you and we can actually get a real conversation going about this.

Man to Boy you mean......

[Bong30]

BS Venezuela is more democratic country than even USA (fact)

You are an Enemy of America...........when the shit hitts the fan... RUN



Dumb as dirt, to boot..................

[Doctor mj]

Man to Boy you mean......

Hey Bong30 We need to talk too,
because i feel what you are doing is very cowardly, and insulting is all you do on these boards.

Do you have msn? yahoo chat? a web cam? i always wanted to see the face behind this "tuffguy"
Hey maybe we can actually meet up and have a conversation without you running away and dodging questions that cant be answered and instead just posting bullshit, that has no value to the topic.

[Bong30]

fuck no

he's just as facist - if not worse - than bush

he's passed laws in his country that will jail a person for 6 months for opposing presidential policies, even bush hasn't gone that far

and he's aligned himself with a crazy dictator who stones 13 year old girls to death for the "crime" of being raped by their older brother

this just goes to prove we need US out of the UN


Thank you...... TF, you are a wise one.

[Bong30]

Hey Bong30 We need to talk too,
because i feel what you are doing is very cowardly, and insulting is all you do on these boards.

Do you have msn? yahoo chat? a web cam? i always wanted to see the face behind this "tuffguy"
Hey maybe we can actually meet up and have a conversation without you running away and dodging questions that cant be answered and instead just posting bullshit, that has no value to the topic.

I would rather put my head in a meat grinder, Cause that is what it is like to talk to you.

Hey DOC, call me a coward to my face..... you would shit your self.



Give me a question ill awnser it.......


here is one for you... why do you hate america? You Cant use the Word Bush in your awnser.

Cause my Hypothisis it that most of you kids were 10 when bush was elected, and you hate bush, so you Hate America.


Transitive Hate.......(bong30 original):thumbsup:

[Doctor mj]

I would rather put my head in a meat grinder, Cause that is what it is like to talk to you.

Hey DOC, call me a coward to my face..... you would shit your self.



Give me a question ill awnser it.......


here is one for you... why do you hate america? You Cant use the Word Bush in your awnser.

Cause my Hypothisis it that most of you kids were 10 when bush was elected, and you hate bush, so you Hate America.


Transitive Hate.......(bong30 original):thumbsup:

LOL
First of all i dont hate America,
And i like how you use If you hate Bush you hate america tactic.
Already you are showing your weak intelligence.
Too cowardly too add me on a chat line? I would love to have a debate with you,
And tuffguy I really want to meet up so we can talk and maybe have a fight a nice fair one on one old school style maybe inside the gym.

[Fengzi]

Well, I can't say much for Chavez but he certainly has Bush pegged.

Pretty sad when you think about it. To think that our president is such a fuck nut that people aree starting to agree with a guy like Chavez. Sad, sad, sad :(

[Bong30]

LOL
First of all i dont hate America,
And i like how you use If you hate Bush you hate america tactic.
Already you are showing your weak intelligence.
Too cowardly too add me on a chat line? I would love to have a debate with you,
And tuffguy I really want to meet up so we can talk and maybe have a fight a nice fair one on one old school style maybe inside the gym.


First off just posting to you is a waste of time.... Let alone kicking some kids ass, and going to Jail for it.

You son are a waste.....pull your lip over your head and swallow, Pour some bleach in the gene pool.


I thouhgt you were going to ask me a question?


We can Just Insult each other. what ever

[Bong30]

Well, I can't say much for Chavez but he certainly has Bush pegged.

Pretty sad when you think about it. To think that our president is such a fuck nut that people aree starting to agree with a guy like Chavez. Sad, sad, sad :(

Fengzi..... you are right Bush Is a waste...."Insert anti bush name here",

But, Chavez is in Bed with every one that wants you dead. IE every Radical Muslim group in the world


He is so much worse than bush it is funny...and Bush sucks. see above.


Read Transition Force Post...Or my post from Above, what about the anti chavez rally? Nobody said shit about that???? Hummmmmm


How about Having some respect for the Office of the Presidency?

Have some respect for the American People....?

Come to New York and talk shit about the USA....nice Nice.....


Just cause he has the right to say it, doesnt mean he should.....



smells like Sulfer.............STFU chavez you wife beater.....



Please reply to any, none, all

[Fengzi]

How about Having some respect for the Office of the Presidency?

Have some respect for the American People....?

Come to New York and talk shit about the USA....nice Nice.....


Just cause he has the right to say it, doesnt mean he should.....



smells like Sulfer.............STFU chavez you wife beater.....



Please reply to any, none, all

I agree with you 100% on everything except for "How about Having some respect for the Office of the Presidency?" Pretty hard to demand that these days. Especially when it seems our own "President" doesn't.

[Bong30]

I agree with you 100% on everything except for "How about Having some respect for the Office of the Presidency?" Pretty hard to demand that these days. Especially when it seems our own "President" doesn't.

Just cause he doesnt respect it doesnt we we shouldnt..............


said so nice....do you see that?

Just cause Bush sucks ass doesnt mean we should......


What if we actually got a real american in the white house and all the years we wasted disrespecting the presidency.... we would be conditioned to hate the Pres. Do you see that is wrong.

We need to get Bush out, and real american in, and respect the Office the whole time.


The same reason you dont make movies.... showing the pres being shot.

If you get condition to see it...at some point it becomes OK.


If you get conditioned to Hate the Pres you allways will. You start a Habit.

Please respond

[Doctor mj]

First off just posting to you is a waste of time.... Let alone kicking some kids ass, and going to Jail for it.

You son are a waste.....pull your lip over your head and swallow, Pour some bleach in the gene pool.


I thouhgt you were going to ask me a question?


We can Just Insult each other. what ever

LOL
one word for that
"Coward"
If we fought inside a professional Gym it would be legal.
Cry Baby, continue with your useless insults. I know Deep inside your just some punk old man with a coke habit, that hides behind his computer and talks shit to get off, or feels accomplished.
I wouldn't be suprised If you got caught for being a pedofile and they release on the news that he also posted on a cannabis website. Your a disgrace to This cannabis website and everyone sees it. I mean i respect your views on world politics, But grow up.
Get at me for real life.

[Psycho4Bud]

I'm bringing a stop to your bullshit once and for all Doc. Calling out a member for a fist fight...............get a fuckin' life! THIS IS THE INTERNET FOOL!!!

Have a good one!:thumbsup:

[Psycho4Bud]

I wouldn't be suprised If you got caught for being a pedofile and they release on the news that he also posted on a cannabis website.

I didn't even notice this bit of trash...........UNREAL!!!!!!!!!:mad:

[Bong30]

LOL
one word for that
"Coward"
Yeah I am a coward... you nailed it...good job.

If we fought inside a professional Gym it would be legal.
And you would get your ass Kicked what fun would that be.

Cry Baby, continue with your useless insults. I know Deep inside your just some punk old man with a coke habit, that hides behind his computer and talks shit to get off, or feels accomplished.
I dont talk shit, I defend my country cause its worth defending, and I give
my opinion on issues that effect me.

I wouldn't be suprised If you got caught for being a pedofile and they release on the news that he also posted on a cannabis website.
Wrong again......I have a beautiful wife and kids, and I think convicted child molesters should be shot.

Your a disgrace to This cannabis website and everyone sees it.
Thanks

I mean i respect your views on world politics,
You should

But grow up.
I still grow every day...... I saved My Family Bissiness over the summer My DAD feel and broke his HIP and I took over his company for 2 months and saved it for him.......I learned a bunch just this summer. Like....Helpng Family is the Best thing to do allways!!!!!!

Get at me for real life.
Why waste time..... you should be honored im even talking to a kid like you


Doc, if you only knew who you were talking to. You might shut your mouth and learn something.

Let me tell you, what you were tought in school was shit.

[Fengzi]

Just cause he doesnt respect it doesnt we we shouldnt..............


said so nice....do you see that?

Just cause Bush sucks ass doesnt mean we should......


What if we actually got a real american in the white house and all the years we wasted disrespecting the presidency.... we would be conditioned to hate the Pres. Do you see that is wrong.

We need to get Bush out, and real american in, and respect the Office the whole time.


The same reason you dont make movies.... showing the pres being shot.

If you get condition to see it...at some point it becomes OK.


If you get conditioned to Hate the Pres you allways will. You start a Habit.

Please respond

I see what you mean Bong. I hadn't thought of it that way but it does make sense. It kind of brings us back full circle to my original point. It's sad that we have a president that would make people agree with someone like Chavez and sad that we have a President that makes it so easy to disrepect the office of the presidency. I just hope that whomever the next president is, understands that they've got a big job ahead of them. Bringing well deserved respect back to their position that is.

[Bong30]

I didn't even notice this bit of trash...........UNREAL!!!!!!!!!:mad:

P4B, Everyone hates me so much...they point out my posts, that show personal attacks, but would never call out a fellow LIB. NEVER

I dont care... I can Dish it and take it...

The first one to offer to meet me to fight was.....Walka Walka, but Doc is Par for the Lib course.

:thumbsup: Have a Good weekend P4B.

[Bong30]

I see what you mean Bong. I hadn't thought of it that way but it does make sense. It kind of brings us back full circle to my original point. It's sad that we have a president that would make people agree with someone like Chavez and sad that we have a President that makes it so easy to disrepect the office of the presidency. I just hope that whomever the next president is, understands that they've got a big job ahead of them. Bringing well deserved respect back to their position that is.

Thanks Fengzi,

That would be a Big JOB....It can, and BETTER be done.

You guys think im am a rightwing nut job...ok a little, but, I have deep thoughts and Ideas on many levels that most cant even reach.

They think im stupid cause im so far above thier heads......

Im not talking about spelling and Grammer....

Take care Fengzi.....

[Psycho4Bud]

P4B, Everyone hates me so much...they point out my posts, that show personal attacks, but would never call out a fellow LIB. NEVER

I dont care... I can Dish it and take it...

The first one to offer to meet me to fight was.....Walka Walka, but Doc is Par for the Lib course.

:thumbsup: Have a Good weekend P4B.

I see alot of personal attacks in this forum from BOTH sides of the fence. It just depends on the degree in which it is taken........AS WE HAVE DISCUSSED.........LOL.

I received a few choice e-mails from the Doc and decided that this was the straw. 3-30, then play push your luck???

Have a good one!:thumbsup:

[birdgirl73]

Hey again, Bong. You may be a right-winger, but I happen to know you're no nut-job. You just get riled on occasion and get emotional. I confess I've seen little glimpses of the deep thinker and a very sweet and tender guy on several occasions, and even tho we don't agree politically, I think the world of you. So not everyone hates you! Not some of us nice ones, at least. XXOO

[Bong30]

Hey again, Bong. You may be a right-winger, but I happen to know you're no nut-job. You just get riled on occasion and get emotional. I confess I've seen little glimpses of the deep thinker and a very sweet and tender guy on several occasions, and even tho we don't agree politically, I think the world of you. So not everyone hates you! Not some of us nice ones, at least. XXOO

Thank you BG, I think the world of you also. I have tons of emotion, and It slips out often.

[Bong30]

Anyone see I must say the only man I seen talking sense on it for along time?

Looks like he will be on security council.

I wonder if George Bush is happy :dance:


Reality Check...Joe ole boy.........

Venezuela fails in first UN seat voteFrom correspondents in the United Nations
October 17, 2006 04:38am
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NEITHER Venezuela nor Guatemala earned enough votes today in the first round of UN polling to win Latin America's non-permanent seat on the Security Council.

Guatemala won 109 votes to 76 for Venezuela, but 124 were needed to win the seat, General Assembly President Haya Rashed Al-Khalifa announced. There were seven abstentions.

Mr Khalifa said there would be another round of voting later today.

Venezuela, whose President Hugo Chavez is a fierce critic of the United States, and Guatemala, strongly supported by Washington, have been in a pitched battle for the regional seat for months.

The assembly meanwhile elected Belgium, Italy, South Africa and Indonesia to the four other open non-permanent seats on the council. The five countries elected overnight will replace Denmark, Greece, Tanzania, Japan and Argentina, which will leave the council at the end of the year.

The UN Security Council is made up of 15 members, including five veto-wielding permanent members (China, United States, France, Germany and Russia) and 10 non-permanent members, five of which are replaced every year.

The five non-permanent members which will serve until the end of 2007 are Congo, Ghana, Peru, Qatar and Slovakia.

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