OPINIONATED?

[royalHIGHness]

what do ya think about the war?
buck fush?

[royalHIGHness]

cmon fokers i need material for a long ass paper

[Nochowderforyou]

Yes, check the Politics section. Politics and Religion really get people stirred up, so be prepared for insults to come flying by if you disagree with someone.

But me personally, war gets us nowhere. That's all, so people, don't bug or flame me, because I will not respond. :)

[Fengzi]

I fully support the so-called "war on terrorism" but not the war in Iraq. It has been shown time and time again that Iraq had no direct link to Al Qaeda and no WMD's. Our invading Iraq and taking Saddam Hussien out of power has done nothing to make us safer from terrorism. In fact, it has had the opposite effect.

By putting most of our resources into Iraq we have taken the focus away from where it should be, in Afghanistan and Pakistan. Additionally, and probably more importantly, our invading a sovereign, Muslim, nation has done more for Al Qaeda(and other Islamic terrorist groups) recruitment than anything Osama Bin Laden could ever do.

Bottom line is that Bush only cared about being the president who got rid of Saddam. He probably figured that was a better legacy than being known as the dumbest president ever. To bad his plan failed. Sure he got Saddam but now he'll be known as the president who was even stupider than people originally gave him credit for.

Now Iraq is so fucked up nobody knows what to do. When asked about a troop pull-out Bush just gets that shit eating smirk (the one I'd love to smack off his face) and says that's for a future president to decide. In other words, it's such a fucking mess he has no clue so he'll leave it for the next guy. That jackass mother fucker should be impeached for what he has done.

[Hamlet]

We're fighting for:

oil
power
money
Haliburtion contracts

All under the cloak of 'War on Terror'.

[Bong30]

what do ya think about the war?
buck fush?

Dont be a fucking pussy, PC is going to kill us.

If you mean it, Say FUCK BUSH................

[Bong30]

We're fighting for:

oil
power
money
Haliburtion contracts

All under the cloak of 'War on Terror'.

It seams like that, and there is Money in war, but


Do you believe Amad ablah blah Jab...when he says Isreal shoud be gone?


Do you understand Wahabism?

Do you Know that people are dieing for not being Muslim?

I can post picture of 3 little girl with there heads cut off,,,,, why? for not being Muslim. WTF

Do you know what Moral equavalancy is?

FUCK THE WORDS "WAR ON TERROR"......IT IS A WAR AGAINST ISLAMOFASCISM.

Hamlet... your hate for BUSH is clouding your judegement... Maybey start by pulling your head out, and wake the fuck up, to start.....

maybe you could write something witty about it?

[Hamlet]

"I can post picture of 3 little girl with there heads cut off,,,,, why? for not being Muslim. WTF"

I could post a hundred pictures of thousands of little girls with their guts blown out!--BY US! All because they were in our way of the OIL!

Radical Islam is made up of primative cultures who would still be shooting each other off the backs of camels with flintlock rifles if it wasn't for the oil under their sands. All a war on Islam accomplishes is to create more radical Jehodists waiting to die for Allah.

We're not even fighting a war. Our soldiers are policing and getting blown up while factions fight a civil war with each other.

...and Bush isn't even looking for Bin Ladin. He said himself "I don't know where Bin Ladin is. I don't spend that much time thinking about it."
No one would have a word to say about it if our efforts were to tear Afganistan apart until we found Bin Ladin. But Iraq has absolutely nothing to do with that. Iraq was the only secular regime in the middle east. They were the balance of power against Iran.

We are fighting 'the worst war ever' though, as you said in another thread. It's one that the politically powerful are waging against their fellow citizens, the Constitution, and the rest of the World. All for more wealth and power.

[Fengzi]

:thumbsup: Well said Hamlet

[psychocat]

The only true war is the war of propoganda.
War imo is total insanity.

America may not have stomach for the memory however I feel I must point out that dropping napalm on villages full of children seems a strange way to wage war.


Terrified children run from their village after a U.S. napalm attack during the Vietnamese War. This photograph was pivotal in promoting awareness of the suffering of the Vietnamese people during the war and was particularly effective in arguments against the use of napalm. AP/WIDE WORLD PHOTOS.

[ddropdeadfred]

"I can post picture of 3 little girl with there heads cut off,,,,, why? for not being Muslim. WTF"

I could post a hundred pictures of thousands of little girls with their guts blown out!--BY US! All because they were in our way of the OIL!

Radical Islam is made up of primative cultures who would still be shooting each other off the backs of camels with flintlock rifles if it wasn't for the oil under their sands. All a war on Islam accomplishes is to create more radical Jehodists waiting to die for Allah.

We're not even fighting a war. Our soldiers are policing and getting blown up while factions fight a civil war with each other.

...and Bush isn't even looking for Bin Ladin. He said himself "I don't know where Bin Ladin is. I don't spend that much time thinking about it."
No one would have a word to say about it if our efforts were to tear Afganistan apart until we found Bin Ladin. But Iraq has absolutely nothing to do with that. Iraq was the only secular regime in the middle east. They were the balance of power against Iran.

We are fighting 'the worst war ever' though, as you said in another thread. It's one that the politically powerful are waging against their fellow citizens, the Constitution, and the rest of the World. All for more wealth and power.
hundreds of pictures of thousands of dead girls? really? i'd love to see all these pictures THAT DON'T FUCKING EXIST BECAUSE WE HAVEN'T KILLED THOUSANDS OF LITTLE GIRLS!! and if we are doing it for all that Iraqi oil than why hasn't production of their oil (that benefits us so much) gone back up to the level it was at before the war started? I have a better idea for everyone who hates bush, thinks America sucks, or the war is bullshit... GO FUCK YOURSELF!! WHY DON'T YOU GO FIGHT IN THE WAR AND DEFEND YOUR COUNTRY AND THE RIGHT TO FREE SPEACH THAT YOU USE TO SHIT ON YOUR OWN COUNTY. DOES ANYONE BOTHER TO NOTICE THAT THE MAJORITY OF TROOPS VOTED FOR BUSH, THAT THE MAJORITY OF TROOPS (YOU KNOW THOSE PEOPLE RISKING THEIR LIVES AND ACTUALLY DOING SOMETHING WHILE YOU ALL SIT BACK AND CRITICIZE THE WAR) ACTUALLY SUPPORT THE WAR? IF YOU DON'T THINK THESE MIDDLE EASTERN FUCKERS ARE A THREAT YOU'RE A DUMASS.
and yes i was in the marines, fought in this war, and earned my right to an opinion based on my experiences, not an opinion that I was told to have by a liberal, america hating media.

[Bong30]

hundreds of pictures of thousands of dead girls? really? i'd love to see all these pictures THAT DON'T FUCKING EXIST BECAUSE WE HAVEN'T KILLED THOUSANDS OF LITTLE GIRLS!! and if we are doing it for all that Iraqi oil than why hasn't production of their oil (that benefits us so much) gone back up to the level it was at before the war started? I have a better idea for everyone who hates bush, thinks America sucks, or the war is bullshit... GO FUCK YOURSELF!! WHY DON'T YOU GO FIGHT IN THE WAR AND DEFEND YOUR COUNTRY AND THE RIGHT TO FREE SPEACH THAT YOU USE TO SHIT ON YOUR OWN COUNTY. DOES ANYONE BOTHER TO NOTICE THAT THE MAJORITY OF TROOPS VOTED FOR BUSH, THAT THE MAJORITY OF TROOPS (YOU KNOW THOSE PEOPLE RISKING THEIR LIVES AND ACTUALLY DOING SOMETHING WHILE YOU ALL SIT BACK AND CRITICIZE THE WAR) ACTUALLY SUPPORT THE WAR? IF YOU DON'T THINK THESE MIDDLE EASTERN FUCKERS ARE A THREAT YOU'RE A DUMASS.
and yes i was in the marines, fought in this war, and earned my right to an opinion based on my experiences, not an opinion that I was told to have by a liberal, america hating media.

Yes....YES......................:thumbsup:

[ddropdeadfred]

You feel me bong?:thumbsup:

[Hamlet]

"and yes i was in the marines, fought in this war, and earned my right to an opinion based on my experiences, not an opinion that I was told to have by a liberal, america hating media."

Cheney's wealth was estimated at 15 million at the beginning of his term. Now it is estimated at 90 million. Congratulations, I'm sure he would like to thank your blind patriotism from the bottom of his heart.

[psychocat]

hundreds of pictures of thousands of dead girls? really? i'd love to see all these pictures THAT DON'T FUCKING EXIST BECAUSE WE HAVEN'T KILLED THOUSANDS OF LITTLE GIRLS!! and if we are doing it for all that Iraqi oil than why hasn't production of their oil (that benefits us so much) gone back up to the level it was at before the war started? I have a better idea for everyone who hates bush, thinks America sucks, or the war is bullshit..
and yes i was in the marines, fought in this war, and earned my right to an opinion based on my experiences, not an opinion that I was told to have by a liberal, america hating media.

So it wasn't US warplanes that dropped napalm on Vietnamese villages ?

The reasons for the present action in Iraq are BS , WMD never found and no evidence they ever existed, no links to Al Quiada. Bush is worse than a moron he has a fuckin John Wayne complex and I consider him the most dangerous man in the world.

America would like to think this war is justified but it isn't , it is all about gaining control and going around telling others how to run things when the US can't even take care of it's own backyard, how long does the most wonderful country in the world need to sort out the aftermath of Katrina ?

[ddropdeadfred]

you ever heard the term the rich get richer. do you know how many other wealthy investors not involved in government also made millions of dollars just by investing the shit load of money they already had. its called INVESTING AND TENS OF THOUSANDS OF PEOPLE DO IT. and let me guess, halliburton right? did you know he sold his shares in them before he took office because he said it would be a conflict of interest. GET SOME OPINIONS i WON'T FIND BY TURNING ON THE NEWS. AND OH YEA DUMB FUCK, IT'S CALLED BALLS, OR MAYBE COURAGE, OR MAYBE I'M A REAL MAN, OR MAYBE, JUST MAYBE, I AM EVERYTHING YOU WISH YOU COULD BE. FOR YOU TO IMPLY IN ANY WAY THAT I AM ANYTHING BUT A HERO MEANS YOU ARE SIMPLY A PIECE OF SHIT. GO BLOW YOUR DAD.:thumbsup:

[ddropdeadfred]

So it wasn't US warplanes that dropped napalm on Vietnamese villages ?

The reasons for the present action in Iraq are BS , WMD never found and no evidence they ever existed, no links to Al Quiada. Bush is worse than a moron he has a fuckin John Wayne complex and I consider him the most dangerous man in the world.

America would like to think this war is justified but it isn't , it is all about gaining control and going around telling others how to run things when the US can't even take care of it's own backyard, how long does the most wonderful country in the world need to sort out the aftermath of Katrina ?
DO ALL YOU PEOPLE DO IS SIT AROUND AND LISTEN TO A BIAS MEDIA? NO WMD'S? SADAM USED THEM ON THE KURDS BEFORE THE FIRST GULF WAR. HE HAD 8 YEARS WHEN CLINTON WAS IN OFFICE TO HIDE EVERYTHING WHILE HE GAVE THE U.S. THE FINGER. AND AGAIN, CHANGE YOUR NEWS CHANNEL AND YOU WILL FIND THAT SADAM MET WITH OSSAMMA BEFORE 9/11. THAT'S NOT A DIRECT LINK THOUGH. GET A FUCKING OPINION THAT HASN'T BEEN BEATEN TO DEATH BY THE MEDIA. THINK FOR YOURSELF, LISTEN TO OTHER PEOPLE, EVERYTHING YOU ARE SAYING IS UNTRUE.

[ddropdeadfred]

before all this gets out of hand, let me just say you are entitled to your opinion and I respect it. I don't agree with a lot of shit that goes on but there is a lot of negativity out there that is misplaced. our troops deserve better than to be told what they are risking their lives for is bullshit. sorry i told you to go blow your dad. i'm gonna go get high now and relax.
peace

[psychocat]

OH YEA DUMB FUCK, IT'S CALLED BALLS, OR MAYBE COURAGE, OR MAYBE I'M A REAL MAN, OR MAYBE, JUST MAYBE, I AM EVERYTHING YOU WISH YOU COULD BE. FOR YOU TO IMPLY IN ANY WAY THAT I AM ANYTHING BUT A HERO MEANS YOU ARE SIMPLY A PIECE OF SHIT. GO BLOW YOUR DAD.:thumbsup:


You consider yourself a hero,,, interesting. So if I don't agree that you're a hero then I am a piece of shit and you reply with BS remarks like blow your dad ? Very eloquent way to get your point across :D Jarhead is a good term I think.:thumbsup:
A real man ? why? :confused:
How is bombing the shit out of something ever going to help the people your supposed to be "liberating" ? :(

[psychocat]

DO ALL YOU PEOPLE DO IS SIT AROUND AND LISTEN TO A BIAS MEDIA? NO WMD'S? SADAM USED THEM ON THE KURDS BEFORE THE FIRST GULF WAR. HE HAD 8 YEARS WHEN CLINTON WAS IN OFFICE TO HIDE EVERYTHING WHILE HE GAVE THE U.S. THE FINGER. AND AGAIN, CHANGE YOUR NEWS CHANNEL AND YOU WILL FIND THAT SADAM MET WITH OSSAMMA BEFORE 9/11. THAT'S NOT A DIRECT LINK THOUGH. GET A FUCKING OPINION THAT HASN'T BEEN BEATEN TO DEATH BY THE MEDIA. THINK FOR YOURSELF, LISTEN TO OTHER PEOPLE, EVERYTHING YOU ARE SAYING IS UNTRUE.

9/11 Terrorists were mainly Saudi's so why not go there ?
Bush ADMITS there were no WMD he also ADMITS intelligence linking Ossama to Saddam was BS.
I think you need to update your knowledge since Bush openly stated both .

[ddropdeadfred]

A real man ? why? :([/QUOTE]

are you even capable of wrapping your mind around actual combat? i know your not because no one is until after they've been throught it. i do not think you would be menatlly capable of lasting 10 minutes in falluja if your heart breaks for the poor Iraqi's. you act like we are killing innocent people all day. yes, civillians die, that's what happens in war. and yes i am hero because i fought in this war honorably and with courage. i have earned the right to call myself a man. what have you done except blow kisses to yourself while you jerk off in front of a mirror? if you even had the slightest idea what war was really like and the things I've been through you would not sit here now and test me. the things you say only show your lack of knowledge for what is real.

[ddropdeadfred]

9/11 Terrorists were mainly Saudi's so why not go there ?
Bush ADMITS there were no WMD he also ADMITS intelligence linking Ossama to Saddam was BS.
I think you need to update your knowledge since Bush openly stated both .

AGAIN, YOU NEED TO FIND SOME OTHER SOURCES!!! EVERYTHING I SAID IS TRUE.

[ddropdeadfred]

WHERE THE HELL IS royalHIGHness IN ALL THIS? YOU STARTED THIS FUCKING THREAD, WHATS YOUR TAKE?

[psychocat]

A real man ? why?

are you even capable of wrapping your mind around actual combat? i know your not because no one is until after they've been throught it. i do not think you would be menatlly capable of lasting 10 minutes in falluja if your heart breaks for the poor Iraqi's. you act like we are killing innocent people all day. yes, civillians die, that's what happens in war. and yes i am hero because i fought in this war honorably and with courage. i have earned the right to call myself a man. what have you done except blow kisses to yourself while you jerk off in front of a mirror? if you even had the slightest idea what war was really like and the things I've been through you would not sit here now and test me. the things you say only show your lack of knowledge for what is real.

You're funny.
You base your opinion on what ?

You know nothing about what I am or what I have or have not done.

So fighting in a war makes you a man ? I disagree.

I am under no illusion as to what is real and the real danger is in starting wars for no good reason, do you not understand the reasons were LIES !
The words were coming out of Bushs mouth so I guess he said it.

[ddropdeadfred]

THE BOTTOM LINE IS THESE PEOPLE, THESE FANATICS ARE A THREAT TO OUR WAY OF LIFE, THAT'S IT PLAIN AND SIMPLE. IF ANOTHER 9/11 HAPPENED I THINK YOU BE SEEING THINGS DIFFERENTLY. AND YES FIGHTING IN WAR DOES MAKE YOU A MAN, OBVIOUSLY YOU WOULD NOT KNOW. AND NO I DONT KNOW YOU AND YES I'M JUDGING YOU BY WHAT YOU SAY, WHICH PROBABLY ISNT THE BEST WAY. WHATEVER. I NEVER SHOULD HAVE STARTED POSTING ON THIS THREAD BECAUSE I KNEW THIS WAS GOING TO END UP LIKE THIS. I TRIED TO APPOLIGIZE AT THE BEGINING AND AVOID ALL THIS THAT IS HAPPENING RIGHT NOW. WE COULD GO BACK AND FORTH ALL NIGHT, WE WILL NEVER AGREE. SO IF I OFFENDED ANY ONE I'M SORRY. OK? THERE I SAID IT. CAN'T WE ALL JUST GET ALONG?:stoned:

[Psycho4Bud]

ddropdeadfred, thank you for that last post. I agree with your position 100% and have much respect for all the fine men and women over there. I was just on the verge of asking if you could maybe just tune it down a bit but I'm glad to see your handling that on your own.

This area is VERY slightly moderated and is a battleground in itself. Flame wars happen........no harm in that, I was just gonna ask the favor. :stoned:

psychocat, no offense to you either.......we just have different beliefs. :stoned:

Once again.........MUCH respect!!!

Have a good one!:thumbsup:

[psychocat]

THE BOTTOM LINE IS THESE PEOPLE, THESE FANATICS ARE A THREAT TO OUR WAY OF LIFE, THAT'S IT PLAIN AND SIMPLE. IF ANOTHER 9/11 HAPPENED I THINK YOU BE SEEING THINGS DIFFERENTLY. AND YES FIGHTING IN WAR DOES MAKE YOU A MAN, OBVIOUSLY YOU WOULD NOT KNOW. AND NO I DONT KNOW YOU AND YES I'M JUDGING YOU BY WHAT YOU SAY, WHICH PROBABLY ISNT THE BEST WAY. WHATEVER. I NEVER SHOULD HAVE STARTED POSTING ON THIS THREAD BECAUSE I KNEW THIS WAS GOING TO END UP LIKE THIS. I TRIED TO APPOLIGIZE AT THE BEGINING AND AVOID ALL THIS THAT IS HAPPENING RIGHT NOW. WE COULD GO BACK AND FORTH ALL NIGHT, WE WILL NEVER AGREE. SO IF I OFFENDED ANY ONE I'M SORRY. OK? THERE I SAID IT. CAN'T WE ALL JUST GET ALONG?:stoned:


I am never offended and am curious to peoples reasons for stating certain things , I do not wish to question your own view of yourself but simply wish to understand why you have that view.

I really believe this current US administration is doing all it can to spread it's influence and global domination is definately on their agenda , surely freedom is not only for Americans and if a country wishes to be Communist or Muslim that should be their business and nobody elses.

I believe the war on terror is going to be as effective as the war on drugs and we all know what a joke that is. Propoganda from the Bushites is what started this current BS.

[Bong30]

ddropdeadfred, thank you for that last post. I agree with your position 100% and have much respect for all the fine men and women over there. I was just on the verge of asking if you could maybe just tune it down a bit but I'm glad to see your handling that on your own.

This area is VERY slightly moderated and is a battleground in itself. Flame wars happen........no harm in that, I was just gonna ask the favor. :stoned:

psychocat, no offense to you either.......we just have different beliefs. :stoned:

Once again.........MUCH respect!!!

Have a good one!:thumbsup:

What do you mean flame war? LOL i have never seen one..... LOL:D

[ddropdeadfred]

I am never offended and am curious to peoples reasons for stating certain things , I do not wish to question your own view of yourself but simply wish to understand why you have that view.

I really believe this current US administration is doing all it can to spread it's influence and global domination is definately on their agenda , surely freedom is not only for Americans and if a country wishes to be Communist or Muslim that should be their business and nobody elses.

I believe the war on terror is going to be as effective as the war on drugs and we all know what a joke that is. Propoganda from the Bushites is what started this current BS.

i think you would mind a communist or muslim country if you lived there and you were one of the various cultures being wiped off the face of the earth because you were born a certain nationality or raised a certain religion. i completely agree with a countries right to self governance, but you give up that right when you commit genocide.

[birdgirl73]

Thanks, P4B. I was in the process of writing my own request asking for the same courtesy when I saw yours pop up after DropDeadFred's apology.

DropDeadFred, thank you, first of all, for your courageous service. I stand in awe of the fact that you served this country, and I personally know and love a number of young men (and one young woman) who have served or are currently serving in the military. As much as I love and support you guys, however, I have a hard time forgiving my country's leadership for sending y'all into harm's way based on bad intelligence. That's what much of our very understandable objection to this war is about. We see the casualty counts, both military and civilian, grow by the day. We see you young men and women coming back, often wounded for life, and, as a mother of a 20-year-old, I find that impossible to support. Certainly deep down you can see why others may feel differently from you. I certainly see why you feel the way you do.

About the deaths of little girls, I did a little research real quickly and found widely varying tallies of civilian casualties as a result of our military action. They ranged from 30,000 civilian deaths (our DoD estimate) up to 100,000+ depending on whose tally you read. The one thing that all the tally sources agreed on, however, is the fact that that figure comprises a large amount (about 3/4) of women and children. The Pentagon and our top military officials don't dispute this fact, by the way. I've heard both Rumsfeld and Cheney talk about this very fact on the Sunday news shows on more than one occasion. So, as much as I may be risking setting off another tirade of all-caps profanity, Hamlet's information was quite accurate, and pictures of such victims do exist.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A7967-2004Oct28.html

[Hamlet]

before all this gets out of hand, let me just say you are entitled to your opinion and I respect it. I don't agree with a lot of shit that goes on but there is a lot of negativity out there that is misplaced. our troops deserve better than to be told what they are risking their lives for is bullshit. sorry i told you to go blow your dad. i'm gonna go get high now and relax.
peace


A very noble gesture and one I wasn't expecting. About the time you were really starting to piss me off, you had to go and earn my respect...lol

I strongly support our troops. I strongly support getting their asses out of Iraq in one piece.

(blow my dad--geez, now was that really necessary?)

[ddropdeadfred]

sorry hamlet i get a little emotional sime times. i recently started college after my 4 years in the military and all my classes and everyone in them talks about the war and how horrible it is when they know nothing about it. it's very disheartening for so many people to think so horribly about something that i take great pride in the fact that I've done. I'm sorry i directed all my anger at you. eveyone says they support the troops. but bringing them home isn't the only way to support them. i proudly have a veterans license plate and my Marine Corps uniform cover displayed on my car. I'm young, I'm obviously not a Vietnam vet. I the last two years 2 people have stopped me where ever I was and thanked me and shook my hand. Two. In a nation of almost 300 million, two people have thanked me. I don't think everyone's "support the troops" means what our veterans think it means. Most of our troops do not think the war is bad, so if everyone could think on that level, at least to understand how our troops feel, maybe we could find better ways to "support the troops".

and to birdgirl: the people that our nation has killed over the last 100 years is a speck compared to the literally hundreds of millions that have been killed by totolitarian governments and war lords in the same time frame. we are fighting for those people. what if militia from surrounding states went to Delaware and started killing every one because all people from delaware were protestants? shouldn't someone do something about it? the thing is, all this shit is going on and no one in the area is willing to stop it and every one in the world looks to us, the shining star, to do something.
the marine corps symbol is the eagle-country, anchor-naval tradition, and the globe- WORLD WIDE SERVICE.
I have been to countries that i wouldn't even say were third world countries, that would be too nice. someone has to help these people.

Fred

[Krogith]

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All our bunker buster bombs are full of this crap

[Ozarks]

Cheney's wealth was estimated at 15 million at the beginning of his term. Now it is estimated at 90 million. Congratulations, I'm sure he would like to thank your blind patriotism from the bottom of his heart.

Yes, how come you can't tell the whole story. The 75 million difference is from "stock options" he received and never cashed in over a period of 20 years as part of his employment package. BEFORE the was picked to be VP.

What he could of made by staying in the private sector, compared to what he is being paid by the US to be VP. Its probably COST HIM 8 -12 million dollars over the last 6 years.

[Hamlet]

" The 75 million difference is from "stock options" he received and never cashed"

Those stock options are worth 75 million now because...?

Haliburton even supplies mess to the troops. Not one case of contractor abuse (of which there are many) has been investigated or even questioned by this administration.

[Ozarks]

" The 75 million difference is from "stock options" he received and never cashed"

Those stock options are worth 75 million now because...?

Haliburton even supplies mess to the troops. Not one case of contractor abuse (of which there are many) has been investigated or even questioned by this administration.

Because oil was selling for 78 dollors a barrel, as far as Haliburton even the Democrats have shut up about it because there is no there, there.

They wiped that horse for all the politics they could get out of it, but when came right down to put up or shut up, they moved on.

They were able to accuse him of everything, prove nothing and have people walking around "knowing" it was "true" because they read un-supported accusations on the internet or saw it on TV.

[birdgirl73]

Dick Cheney took way more of a pay cut than $8 million to $12 million per year to go back to the public sector, which I know he did because he wanted to and felt he could do some good. I also don't begrudge him that stock option or golden parachute money he got based on Halliburton's success in the war. Sure, Halliburton and its Kellogg Brown & Root subsiduary are making a killing, but that $75 million figure is just standard fare for CEOs of big Texas companies. They get these enormous stock options every year (Cheney is said to have about 450,000 in them from Halliburton) and the SEC laws allow them a smallish six-week window of opportunity to exercise them each year, generally. For tax reasons, of course, they usually exercise their options very gradually, and they usually use that sell-off option money to pay the taxes on their other investments and income.

CEOs and their cronies are the men I used to work for as a speechwriter, only I didn't write for Halliburton. I wrote for a technology company on whose board of directors Dick Cheney sat till he went back to the public sector.

CEO salaries are the real issue here. But it's true that Halliburton's stock has been enjoying good health thanks to KBR's monopoly in Iraq. It's rumored around Dallas that the SEC is going to be doing some investigating into that stock price, and my hunch is that congressional inquiries will be coming very soon. Halliburton has recently been awarded a number of Katrina-related contracts, too.

[Hamlet]

"Because oil was selling for 78 dollors a barrel, as far as Haliburton even the Democrats have shut up about it because there is no there, there."

Rush Limbaugh telling you this? Turn on another station besides Fox, or try a google search and listen to the rest of the world scream blooody murder about it.

[Torog]

hundreds of pictures of thousands of dead girls? really? i'd love to see all these pictures THAT DON'T F*CKING EXIST BECAUSE WE HAVEN'T KILLED THOUSANDS OF LITTLE GIRLS!! and if we are doing it for all that Iraqi oil than why hasn't production of their oil (that benefits us so much) gone back up to the level it was at before the war started? I have a better idea for everyone who hates bush, thinks America sucks, or the war is bullshit... GO F*CK YOURSELF!! WHY DON'T YOU GO FIGHT IN THE WAR AND DEFEND YOUR COUNTRY AND THE RIGHT TO FREE SPEACH THAT YOU USE TO SH*T ON YOUR OWN COUNTY. DOES ANYONE BOTHER TO NOTICE THAT THE MAJORITY OF TROOPS VOTED FOR BUSH, THAT THE MAJORITY OF TROOPS (YOU KNOW THOSE PEOPLE RISKING THEIR LIVES AND ACTUALLY DOING SOMETHING WHILE YOU ALL SIT BACK AND CRITICIZE THE WAR) ACTUALLY SUPPORT THE WAR? IF YOU DON'T THINK THESE MIDDLE EASTERN F*CKERS ARE A THREAT YOU'RE A DUMASS.
and yes i was in the marines, fought in this war, and earned my right to an opinion based on my experiences, not an opinion that I was told to have by a liberal, america hating media.

Howdy fred,

Yeehhaaww !! Git em !:thumbsup:

God bless ya for yer service to our great country..and thanx from the bottom of my heart ! I'm a Navy vet myself and if I wasn't disabled and too old,I'd dang sure be back in,fighting for our country and the Free World. I salute ya sir !

Back in the '80's,I went over to Saudi to drill water-wells for em,boy howdy..was that ever an eye-opener ! Between sharia law and wahhabism,life truly sucked over there and we were under constant watch from the 'holy men' that walk around looking for violations of 'holy law',so we basically confined ourselves to our villa and stayed off of the streets,'cept for when we were going back and forth to the drilling rig.

Folks who're against the war on terror,often don't have any idea of what things are like,in a fundy muslim country,or just how tribal their thinking is and the way that they do things,for instance,in a fundy muslim family,the wife and daughters,rank just barely above the family camel and the family goat and are often treated much worse.

I suspect,that you feel the same way as me,that you will NOT be content with just yer freedom..while others suffer under cruel dictatorships..I cannot be content--until everyone is free.

Have a good one ! :stoned: :D

[Markass]

"Next time our country is attacked by terrorists, we can attack who did it...or Iraq."

Iraq was not a threat to us until we invaded them. This country had nothing to do with 9/11 until we got them all stirred up, and now they are a threat to our country...because we invaded theirs. George Bush is putting soldiers in harms way for other reasons that protecting the liberties of we American citizens...But honestly, there's nothing that we can do about it. His administration has an agenda, and it's going to be done regardless of what we have to say about it. Bush will break as many laws as he wants and needs to to get what he wants to be done done, and I think it's going to further shape a disfunctional government...Bring our boys home..

[Ozarks]

Rush Limbaugh telling you this? Turn on another station besides Fox, or try a google search and listen to the rest of the world scream blooody murder about it.

You said something that you that simply repeat like a parrot and can't back up or defend. When challenged I get back some drivel that is a weak attempt to change the subject about Fox news or Rush Limbaugh, Typical. :D

[Mark Bryan]

Yes....YES......................:thumbsup:
MAKE THAT TWO!:thumbsup: :thumbsup: :D

[Mark Bryan]

So it wasn't US warplanes that dropped napalm on Vietnamese villages ?

The reasons for the present action in Iraq are BS , WMD never found and no evidence they ever existed. Uh, about 500 munitions of sarin and mustard gas WERE found! The rest were sent to Syria and Iran!

[Krogith]

"Next time our country is attacked by terrorists, we can attack who did it...or Iraq."

Iraq was not a threat to us until we invaded them. This country had nothing to do with 9/11 until we got them all stirred up, and now they are a threat to our country...because we invaded theirs. George Bush is putting soldiers in harms way for other reasons that protecting the liberties of we American citizens...But honestly, there's nothing that we can do about it. His administration has an agenda, and it's going to be done regardless of what we have to say about it. Bush will break as many laws as he wants and needs to to get what he wants to be done done, and I think it's going to further shape a disfunctional government...Bring our boys home..

So True So Sad

[Mark Bryan]

you ever heard the term the rich get richer. do you know how many other wealthy investors not involved in government also made millions of dollars just by investing the shit load of money they already had. its called INVESTING AND TENS OF THOUSANDS OF PEOPLE DO IT. and let me guess, halliburton right? did you know he sold his shares in them before he took office because he said it would be a conflict of interest. GET SOME OPINIONS i WON'T FIND BY TURNING ON THE NEWS. AND OH YEA DUMB FUCK, IT'S CALLED BALLS, OR MAYBE COURAGE, OR MAYBE I'M A REAL MAN, OR MAYBE, JUST MAYBE, I AM EVERYTHING YOU WISH YOU COULD BE. FOR YOU TO IMPLY IN ANY WAY THAT I AM ANYTHING BUT A HERO MEANS YOU ARE SIMPLY A PIECE OF SHIT. GO BLOW YOUR DAD.:thumbsup:
:thumbsup: :D Glad ta have you aboard dude! THANKS FOR YER SERVICE!

[Mark Bryan]

DO ALL YOU PEOPLE DO IS SIT AROUND AND LISTEN TO A BIAS MEDIA? NO WMD'S? SADAM USED THEM ON THE KURDS BEFORE THE FIRST GULF WAR. HE HAD 8 YEARS WHEN CLINTON WAS IN OFFICE TO HIDE EVERYTHING WHILE HE GAVE THE U.S. THE FINGER. AND AGAIN, CHANGE YOUR NEWS CHANNEL AND YOU WILL FIND THAT SADAM MET WITH OSSAMMA BEFORE 9/11. THAT'S NOT A DIRECT LINK THOUGH. GET A FUCKING OPINION THAT HASN'T BEEN BEATEN TO DEATH BY THE MEDIA. THINK FOR YOURSELF, LISTEN TO OTHER PEOPLE, EVERYTHING YOU ARE SAYING IS UNTRUE.
WOOT! KNOCKED HIS ARGUMENT OUT DA BALLPARK!:thumbsup:

[psychocat]

WOOT! KNOCKED HIS ARGUMENT OUT DA BALLPARK!:thumbsup:


That would only be your opinion not a fact and since I'm only interested in facts like for instance the fact that Bush said they had no WMDs however they had the information to create them. Very different from the original statement of He definately has WMD.

The words are coming out of his (GWs) mouth so therefore I can only assume he said it , how is that refutable with all the stations in the west broadcasting it , are you trying to tell me that the whole western world has a conspiracy against Bush and what we are seeing is faked?
Take off the blinkers.
I am a chemist so therefore I too have the knowledge to create WMD can I expect a knock from George and his boys ?

[birdgirl73]

Hey, Psychocat. Off-subject question for a moment, but I want to ask you. Are you a chemist as in pharmacist? Or a research or lab chemist? I'm interested because I occasionally have biochemistry questions (I'm a first-year med student) and would love to find someone who's knowledgeable about medical biochem here in cyberspace. Just trying to find out if that's your area by any chance.

[graymatter]

Uh, about 500 munitions of sarin and mustard gas WERE found! The rest were sent to Syria and Iran!

Syria and Iran? Why would Sadam send WMD to his regional enemies?

[Mark Bryan]

Syria and Iran? Why would Sadam send WMD to his regional enemies?
You never know! Even the WORST of enemies can put their differences aside and be united in their hatred towards what they percieve to be a GREATER enemy! After all, America is percieved to be the great satan!

[Mark Bryan]

That would only be your opinion not a fact and since I'm only interested in facts like for instance the fact that Bush said they had no WMDs.
HELLO,I said they found 500 munitions of sarin and mustard gas which means WMDs WERE found!

[psychocat]

Hey, Psychocat. Off-subject question for a moment, but I want to ask you. Are you a chemist as in pharmacist? Or a research or lab chemist? I'm interested because I occasionally have biochemistry questions (I'm a first-year med student) and would love to find someone who's knowledgeable about medical biochem here in cyberspace. Just trying to find out if that's your area by any chance.

I am a lab chemist mixing up cocktails that are used as specialist coatings for all sorts of things from North Sea oilrigs to fighterplanes. Lots of nice chemicals to play with, lots of them extremely explosive , no smoking at work, last explosion ripped the safety doors off and blew them 40 feet into a wall, damn near demolished it.Lockdown antifire system that locks all the doors 30 seconds after the fire alarm sounds and pumps an inert gas into the building to kill any fire this is why there are loads of exits and oxygen supplies everywhere. Also a very secure terrain.

PS Bush said they weren't there Mark , are you calling George a liar ?

[birdgirl73]

Thanks for replying, Psychocat! Sounds like you play with higher stakes chemicals than a first-year med biochem student. Yikes. I'm sure you already are, but please continue to be very, very careful.

[birdgirl73]

OK, Mark and everyone else. Here's some interesting info that may make this disagreement easier for everyone to take.

The 500 munitions of mustard and sarin? Yep, they were indeed found.

And Bush's remark that there weren't any WMDs found since 2003? Yep, that happened too. The thing is the mustard and sarin munitions were recognized immediately by the inspectors and experts as old, rusty pre-1991 mustard and sarin canisters, precisely the type Saddam used on the Kurds and others Iraqi citizens his Ba'ath Party went after, but definitely not what the inspectors were looking for to indicate evidence of a continuing WMD program after the end of the first Gulf War. It was that last part there, the continuing program after 1991 or 92, that Bush II predicated the invasion of Iraq on. And that's why Bush willingly admitted they didn't find what they were looking for. The old canisters they did find still prove that Saddam was both a liar (he said there weren't any weapons at all) and a brutal killer of his own people, at least the ethnic minorites he didn't like.

Here are two reasonably objective pieces about these two different parts of the story in case you're interested:
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,200499,00.html
http://www.csm.ornl.gov/PR/PR2004/NS-07-12-04.html

[graymatter]

Nice, Birdgirl. How the heck do you have time for this stuff?

I still disagree with "the enemy of my enemy is my friend" argument. If Saddam built viable WMD, the last thing he would do is ship them to Syria... OR Iran. He wasn't the brightest bulb on the dictator planet, and he always assumed we wouldn't go directly after him.

If that's the case why strengthen your regional enemies?

[birdgirl73]

Hey, Gray, my friend. I only have time for it because I can write and type as fast as I can think. And I can research facts just slightly less quickly. All those many years of speechwriting for a living. Otherwise, I'd be hosed. Completely relegated to being a science bookworm-nerd. And nothing else.

Also today's my 45th birthday, and so I'm rebelling against the "establishment" of my current priorities and researching and writing about what I want to. . . .After a big dinner and a glass and a half of wine, politics here seems more compelling.

How're you? And please tell me candidly if you or any of your late-40s contemporaries truly do find women in their mid-40s attractive? I want to know if my husband and our neighbors have been lying to me this evening. If I've been lying to myself. . . .

[graymatter]

How're you? And please tell me candidly if you or any of your late-40s contemporaries truly do find women in their mid-40s attractive? I want to know if my husband and our neighbors have been lying to me this evening. If I've been lying to myself. . . .

Hey, thanks, I've been working my ass off lately.

Perhaps I'm in the minority, but I find women with gray (not borrowed from my pen, and not assuming you are) extremely sexy. In any event, please don't cover it up when it comes.

[birdgirl73]

That's reassuring to me. Thank you. Thank you for saying that.

Yes, I've got some gray. I let just a tad show through at the temples. It fortunately looks somewhat like highlights where it is. I confess I do pay money to have it disguised in other places, like on top of my head.

[graymatter]

My girlfriend does that, too.

Quick story.

My ex-wife "admired" my best friends brother because of his full and long gray hair. He was 25, we were nearly 40 (age discrepency only, nothing happened there).

[Mark Bryan]

PS Bush said they weren't there Mark , are you calling George a liar ? NO! BOTH sides said there WERE,but then didn't find any until recently through intel sources. I heard it on Boortz radio and the Sean Hannity show! That's what I'm updatin' YOU on!

[Mark Bryan]

OK, Mark and everyone else. Here's some interesting info that may make this disagreement easier for everyone to take.

The 500 munitions of mustard and sarin? Yep, they were indeed found.

And Bush's remark that there weren't any WMDs found since 2003? Yep, that happened too. The thing is the mustard and sarin munitions were recognized immediately by the inspectors and experts as old, rusty pre-1991 mustard and sarin canisters, precisely the type Saddam used on the Kurds and others Iraqi citizens his Ba'ath Party went after, but definitely not what the inspectors were looking for to indicate evidence of a continuing WMD program after the end of the first Gulf War. It was that last part there, the continuing program after 1991 or 92, that Bush II predicated the invasion of Iraq on. And that's why Bush willingly admitted they didn't find what they were looking for. The old canisters they did find still prove that Saddam was both a liar (he said there weren't any weapons at all) and a brutal killer of his own people, at least the ethnic minorites he didn't like.

Here are two reasonably objective pieces about these two different parts of the story in case you're interested:
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,200499,00.html
http://www.csm.ornl.gov/PR/PR2004/NS-07-12-04.html

Thanks for a WELL BALANCED response! I wish I had time to dig this information up! I hope psycho considers this!

[Bong30]

We should have just said, we are going into Iraq to fight radical Islam.


Damn thats not PC though....Fuck PC.

[Mark Bryan]

We should have just said, we are going into Iraq to fight radical Islam.


Damn thats not PC though....Fuck PC.

Good point!:thumbsup:

[psychocat]

Thanks for replying, Psychocat! Sounds like you play with higher stakes chemicals than a first-year med biochem student. Yikes. I'm sure you already are, but please continue to be very, very careful.

Thank you for your concern , I am flattered.

I love my playthings but also realise the danger of not being extremely careful at all times. :thumbsup:

The biggest problem with what has happened in Iraq is that by removing Saddam all the factions that were shit scared of him have come out of the woodwork and all hell is breaking loose .

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/5368360.stm

I would've expected better of Britain after all the years they spent trying to police Northern Ireland with military might, have we not enough to do to sort out our own countries before "dictating" to others how to run theirs.

How soon the Brits forget http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/4661753.stm

The Americans too http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Timothy_mcveigh

[Nylo]

[Hamlet said the Following]

I could post a hundred pictures of thousands of little girls with their guts blown out!--BY US! All because they were in our way of the OIL!

--- Oil? Oil??? Have you SEEN the price of gas? I mean c'mon, you can make a very plausable argument that buisiness in weaponry is the cause, but oil?? I don't really think you understand the argument you're making.

Radical Islam is made up of primative cultures who would still be shooting each other off the backs of camels with flintlock rifles if it wasn't for the oil under their sands. All a war on Islam accomplishes is to create more radical Jehodists waiting to die for Allah.

---- Should we have not attacked Nazi Germany because it would have created more Nazis? How is that justice? How does that even make sense? You're impression of radical islam is very contorted. As war technology continues to increase it it's fatality you can damn well bet these fanatics will get their hands on it unchecked. You can't just say "we'll let them duke it out" and expect the problem to go away.

We're not even fighting a war. Our soldiers are policing and getting blown up while factions fight a civil war with each other.

---- That's a portion of the war effort; do you read up on this stuff very much? I'm not questioning your sincerity, but I don't think you really understand the scope of the war on terror as it's being fought. It's also in intellegence war, we're tracking down where terror funding comes from and where it goes. We've caught countless terrorists and taken much information from them. I have no idea how you came to the conclusion that stopping their money flow is a bad thing for the war goal.


We are fighting 'the worst war ever' though, as you said in another thread. It's one that the politically powerful are waging against their fellow citizens, the Constitution, and the rest of the World. All for more wealth and power.


----I heavily disagree. Somehow in your mind you think that terrorism never existed before 9/11. You think that all this hate magically came into reality when the United States went to the Middle East. These people have to be stopped before they're allowed to accuire high-fatality weaponry. Don't you get that? You can't just cover your eyes and wish it away. These people wanted you under their long before you even knew they existed.

I can hit middle-ground with you and compromise that yes, we have to be very careful with how the government re-adjusts it's power to fight this war because it can go too far. But you also need to recognize that the reasons for these changes aren't fabricated. The threat of Islamic Jihadists is very real, the problem with modern liberals is they have the ambition to fight internal threats, but not a damn drop to spare for fighting external threats.

[Krogith]

go back for the last 2000 years stop being so small minded to not think that america because of it's instrest in OIL has caused and created a good reason to hate us. we fund and suport them then use them as tools to impose more US power? how does that make any sence.


AND if you read our constitution WERE SUPOST TO LEAVE OTHER COUNTRYS ALONE!

[Bong30]

go back for the last 2000 years stop being so small minded to not think that america because of it's instrest in OIL has caused and created a good reason to hate us. we fund and suport them then use them as tools to impose more US power? how does that make any sence.


AND if you read our constitution WERE SUPOST TO LEAVE OTHER COUNTRYS ALONE!

You are so dumb...............

if we are to leave other countrys alone... why did they kill 3000 of us on 9-11, and all the other attacks in the Name of radical islam.

London, Spain, India...and so On

If all we wanted was oil, why didnt we just make iraq our 51st state and take all the oil? Cause its not all about the oil. some yes all no.


Krogith why dont you just get the fuck out? MOve to Iran or something.

[Krogith]

YOU STILL THINK IRAQ DID 9/11? are you kidding me bong ?

[Bong30]

Radical Islam did 9-11....fucking Idiot.



Krogith if you were here i would kick your ass just for being as stupid as you are... I cant handle it

[Krogith]

and sadly we took it out on the iraq people and now this RADICAL idoit group has more joining them because of what THE USA IS DOING!

because thoses (SO CALLED) people down the street from you are doing something you thing we should blow your house up to just because?

[psychocat]

Violence breeds violence and if the so called most advanced country in the world can't see that then I really think they need to think what is so advanced about the ability to kill hundreds of people indiscriminately?
Bombs kill anyone in the neighbourhood and you can't tell me that it knows only to kill the bad guys because the civilian and child victims of this "war on terror" (LMFAO) are still mounting up, how civilised is that?
The manipulation of foreign countries in the interest of America is what makes enemies for America, the 10 million dollars used to undermine the duly elected "communist" leader of a neighbouring country just because the US is paranoid for instance.The assistance given to Pinochet.

In 1983, at the height of the civil war in El Salvador--as U.S. military aid and advisers were flowing into the tiny Central American country in proportion with the innocent blood being shed by government forces and their death squads--Mauricio, then a biochemistry teacher at the El Salvador University, was yanked out of his classroom by men in civilian clothes.The goons handcuffed, blindfolded, and beat him in front of his students, then took him to a clandestine torture center at the National Police Headquarters, where he was interrogated and tortured for a week and a half. The security forces overseeing his interrogation accused him of being a guerrilla commander--a charge Mauricio steadfastly denied.Mauricio says he was one of the lucky ones: He lived to tell about his ordeal. Many of his colleagues and co-workers were killed by security forces or death squads.Now, Mauricio and two other survivors of torture and rape at the hands of Salvadoran security forces have filed a civil suit in a U.S. district court against two Salvadoran generals who now reside in Florida. The complaint against the generals claims that the former defense ministers, as overseers of El Salvador's reign of terror, "bear personal responsibility" for the crimes perpetrated against the plaintiffs, as well as the "pattern and practice of systematic human-rights violations committed in El Salvador from 1979 to 1983."

The "crimes against humanity" charges against the generals are not unlike the ones that have been brought against Milosevic, yet the United States has not been quite as gung-ho in assisting with the case against the Salvadorans.

That's to be expected: After all, the terror apparatus that these men controlled would not have been possible without the help of the United States, and this inconvenient fact no doubt has dampened the will of U.S. officials to see justice served in Mauricio's case or any other that might involve its former clients in El Salvador.Or those in Chile, Argentina, Brazil, Ecuador, Bolivia, Uruguay, and Paraguay. When the military leaders of these countries decided to team up in the 1970s to wipe out leftist elements throughout South America, they also were assisted by the United States in the form of training, intelligence, and arms.The brainchild of none other than former Chilean dictator Gen. Augusto Pinochet, this international wave of state terror--dubbed Operation Condor--swept up people like Martin Almada. The Paraguayan schoolteacher was kidnapped by security forces in November 1974, after completion of his doctoral studies in Argentina. Almada was interrogated and tortured by a group of military officers that included several foreigners.

Puzzled by the multinational composition of his captors, he soon learned from other prisoners--including a Paraguayan police officer and a well-known Argentinian leftist--about Operation Condor.After an Amnesty International campaign helped win his release, Almada moved to Paris and began research to find out the identity of his captors, as well as the cause of his wife's mysterious death. He eventually turned up documents and diaries mentioning Operation Condor, which he handed over to the Spanish judge who would later indict Pinochet on charges of genocide, torture, terrorism, and abduction.Almada's research, as well as other recently declassified documents, suggest that high-ranking U.S. officials, including Henry Kissinger, were kept informed of Operation Condor activities. (Judges in Chile, Argentina, and France have summoned Kissinger to answer questions about his knowledge of Operation Condor.)

Almada says his goal is not to embarrass the United States, but he, like Mauricio, demands accountability. "We want to find the truth, that's all," Almada says. "Then justice will come. We are thirsting for justice--not vengeance."

Unfortunately for the US not all people fucked over by the US goverment are as forgiving as Almada

[Hamlet]

--- Oil? Oil??? Have you SEEN the price of gas? I mean c'mon, you can make a very plausable argument that buisiness in weaponry is the cause, but oil?? I don't really think you understand the argument you're making.

*sigh* Oh yes, I've seen the price of gasoline lately...and the record profits each quarter for Exxon. I worked for Exxon back in the 80's on the colony oil shale project in Colorado. Indirectly that is...I worked for a small exploration drilling company who worked for Brown & Root (<that name ring a bell? Halliburton?), who worked for Exxon. The Government was pressuring Exxon to develop the massive amounts of oil shale there. It was estimated that it would cost 3 billion dollars to get production up and running.

Exxon went in and blew money like a drunk sailor on saturday night. All cost plus, safety first to an extreme that was crippling, everyone was paid higher than Union wages to keep the unions out, plus living expenses, plus free housing. Our small company had brand new equipment for everything, new 4x4's, new drills, forklifts, dozers, the works...all paid for by Exxon. I could tell you stories of obscene waste, like when they had me dropping 5k survey equipment down a hole only to be uselessly lost, and without blinking, they would buy another just to be lost again.

Exxon spent 7 billion on the half completed project and told the Government Oil Shale was just too expensive to mine. They shut the job down overnight without a warning to the thousands of people employed there, devastating the local economy and leaving a ghost town. Exxon collected nice fat subsidies from the Federal Government footing the bill for their genuine efforts.

( And in return they make sure their friends in Washington get elected. You can't begin to grasp the power and wealth Exxon has until you've seen it in action. --geez, I probably just sent the Illuminati crew into a seizure)

This is business as usual for the oil companies. This is how they operate.

The rest of my statements and your rebuttals speak for themselves I think.

In the words of Torog....have a good one.......

[birdgirl73]

Hamlet, Hamlet, Hamlet. I do believe I love you, Hamlet. Thank you for spending your time arguing solid, credible points. I no longer have the energy or the inclination. But I do love it when you do. . . . Thanks.

[Bong30]

Hamlet, Hamlet, Hamlet. I do believe I love you, Hamlet. Thank you for spending your time arguing solid, credible points. I no longer have the energy or the inclination. But I do love it when you do. . . . Thanks.

Neither Do I BG........I Just say Fuck this, Fuck that I cant even hold my tounge for you BG.

Hamlet.....Exxon profits.....

Guys this is how over it I am......

I say lets (us regular living paycheck to paycheck americans) Start sniping the CEO, CFO, of the oil companys ONE BY ONE till there profits are less than the GDP of most countrys.....



In China Stealing GAS, is Punishable BY death...... I say stealing Money from us with GAS...Is punishable by DEATH

Start SNIPING CEOs and see what the prices do..........


WORLD................... I AM OVER IT.

I DONT GIVE A FUCK IF I CUSS... I DONT CARE ABOUT PC....... GLOVES OFF.