A FOOL HATH SAID IN HIS HEART THERE IS NO GOD

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EVERY KNEE SHALL BOW AN TONGUE CONFESS JESUS CHRIST IS LORD IN THIS WORLD OR THE NEXT

[Oneironaut]

Sorry dude, but it's all just matter and energy moving in spacetime according to the laws of physics. That's all we are, that's all anything is. There are no gods, no souls, no prophets and no holy books. No amount of capital letters can change that. We are mortal, and we only have a limited time to experience the wonders of the cosmos, so sit back and enjoy the ride. The universe is wonderful enough that we don't need to invent gods and saviors to infuse it with imagined glory.

[Hamlet]

Another self appointed prophet *sigh*

[Budman37]

LMAO NO GOD..... Sorry dude but you are very wrong..Your entitled to your opinion but I was wondering why are you answering a post on the spiritual section if you dont believe in it???...Who the hell do you think created BUDS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Oneironaut]

Natural selection. Ever studied evolutionary theory? It's way more awe-inspiring than any religious mumbo-jumbo, because we can actually explain the complexities of the world and and the process by which they got there, something the God hypothesis will never do.

As for why I'm answering the post, don't you think it would be appropriate for you to answer a post if the title was "PEOPLE WHO BELIEVE (something you believe in) ARE FOOLS"?

[.undefined]

Sorry dude but you are very wrong..Your entitled to your opinion...
Uuch.

Buds were created by the necessity for a species of plant to survive, nothing more, nothing less.

Oneironaut, you're fresh. I like it.

Budman37, please, have an open mind and respect the opinions of others. Especially when those opinions happen to be founded in the laws of reality and the facts of life.

[Budman37]

Please respect the right for people to believe in God...I have studied many facets to conclude that God exist...You quoted that you believe in evolution....That is a religion in itself...It is a theory on where things came from in an attempt to dismiss a creator. There is nothing in the world that is evolving today plant or animal...There is adaptation but there is no proof that an animal or single cell life form is evolving into a new species... I respect the person that started this post. If you dont then you shouldn't comment..Why is it ok for you to state your beliefs but not ok for somebody else that doesn't think like you to state theres... Like i stated if you are offended by spirituality then why do you always comment on threads that contain it???
Just curious.....

[Budman37]

Ps..Did you know that Darwins Father was a dedicated Satan worshipper???? I wonder where Darwin got his inspiration to dismiss God as the creator and try to find another reason for existance..FYI

[.undefined]

Ah crap, I realize that in my post I lacked an expression of my respect for the opinions of others. And now I realize it's going to be very hard to reconcile that. I made a post in another forum section with a disclaimer at the top.. I'll copy it and paste here:

THIS IS MY OPINION, AS FAR AS IM CONCERNED IM NOT WRONG, BUT NEITHER ARE YOU. WHETHER IT SOUNDS LIKE IT OR NOT, I RESPECT YOUR OPINION AND THE OPINIONS OF ALL PEOPLE. I BELIEVE LOVE AND COMPASSION TRANSCEND RELIGION AND THAT TOLERANCE IS ESSENTIAL TO PEACE ON EARTH.


There is nothing in the world that is evolving today plant or animal...There is adaptation but there is no proof that an animal or single cell life form is evolving into a new species...
How do you know this? Please show me the research which you've done which proves this. Truthbetold, I haven't exactly done the research to prove that evolution IS happening. But I don't believe evolution as a religion so much as a name for the fact that the genetic code of any given species changes over time (long periods of time, at that.) because of a necessity to survive.

I did not know that about Darwin's father. However it's true that some scientists got their inspiration for the discovery of truths by strange things. I wish I could cite another example to support this conjecture... I'll work on that.

Peace and Love.

[.undefined]

Bah, I wish I could delete my first post. It's very contradictory.

Sorry about that. However I still find your close-mindedness disappointing.


On that same note, I am open to the idea of the existence of a God. However I believe that there isn't really a common God and that each person's divine being manifests itself in unique ways. I could elaborate, but I think you get the idea.

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Ps..Did you know that Darwins Father was a dedicated Satan worshipper???? I wonder where Darwin got his inspiration to dismiss God as the creator and try to find another reason for existance..FYI

My father's homosexual. Does that make me gay? I sure hope not, because that would really get in the way of my love of women. Granted, I'm more open to the thought of homosexuality, but in no way, shape, or form, did my father's own preference shape the way I live my life. Just because darwin's father was a satanist, does not mean that his scientific research should be seen as biased. Discrediting someone's work based on their family tree doesn't work, especially for those who believe in the bible.

I believe that Christianity, like most religions, have nothing to do with the dieties that represent them. Rather, it's about the thoughts and expressions related to them. What does it matter what you call yourself? As long as you show love and compassion to all living things (which is, if you haven't noticed, is the underlying message in most world religions), what does it matter under what denomination you classify yourself?

[Budman37]

I have studied and read many books on the topic... I am not trying to put anybody down I respect the rights of anyone to believe what they want to but when someone tries to defend something that I know to be untrue I have a problem being silent...I study the scripture very detailed and know there is a BIG difference from what God has written in his word and the religions that man has made up and twisted to there own advantage. What I state is the same thing Christ stated when he was on this earth and is brought forth in the new testament..Remeber Christ was very unhappy with the religious society at that time he taught in the temples and corrected them..They put him to death. I cant share all this knowledge on a forum but if you are interested in learning Gods word correctly with a bible scholar fluent in the original languages of Hebrew and Greek try here www.shepherdschapel.com.
Believe it or not God is not happy with Religion in the world today Christians especially he states that many will come in His name claiming to be working for him in his name but they are liars sheep in wolves clothing deceiving people teaching for money and there own glory.. I can understand why some people become atheist when they hear the crap that one verse preachers throw out there...In the book of Revelation God states he is happier with those who are not believers then those who are and perpetrate lies...To understand Gods word you have to believe in Him and make an effort to study. There are many things not taught today but the website I listed is a good place to start..LOVE & PEACE to you also

[Budman37]

"Just because darwin's father was a satanist, does not mean that his scientific research should be seen as biased. Discrediting someone's work based on their family tree doesn't work, especially for those who believe in the bible."

I am not discrediting Darwin because of his father. I am discrediting the theory of evolution because there is no scientific proof that there has been or is anything in a stage of evolving into a new species, only adaptation..Why do you think that they have NEVER found any human remains in a evolving state?? or animals for that matter...Because it is a theory and not a real science.. I only put the info out there about his father because it may have influenced darwin i never said it was an inherited trait...

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You still didn't answer my question. You have no idea how much I'd love to know how much different Christianity is than Buddhism, why belief in one man's presence as God means the difference between eternal joy or eternal damnation.

To me, it's all way too seperatist to respect. I mean, what of those in places where God's word is forbidden, what about the millions in China who don't know who Jesus is? Are they banned to hell because of their lack of understanding? What about the Christians who are also white supremacists and who commit hate crimes? Have they truly accepted Jesus?

To say that your way of thinking is right and all others are wrong is incredibly simple-minded. That's the problem with beliefs. No one really knows for sure, but most Christians that I have met act like they do. They're more like ideas, anyways.

And what is evolution but adaptation on a wider scale? It's hard to study evolution when our lives here on earth are so very short, in the grand scheme of things.

No offense, but if I wanted to be taken to a different website, I would have googled it myself. I came here for a debate, I want another human to type back to me their ideas and experiences. After all, how else will we all learn?

[Budman37]

Do you know that in Gods word there is a time called the Lords Day..It is the period of 1000 years when ALL people ALL races will have an oppurtunity to learn the truth of GOD..This period is before judgement day therefore NO ONE is in hell now...The bible teaches this but religion doesnt..There is a big difference...But if you are unwilling to study then how can you learn about it???

[.undefined]

...but when someone tries to defend something that I know to be untrue...
Again, saying things like this only perpetuates the image of the close-mindedness of devout Christians.

Also, did you see God write the Bible, how do you know everything within the Bible is the ultimate and complete truth. After all, it's just a book. Also, interestingly, the idea of "truth," as all things in this world, is a relative term. Truth's are not so much discovered by humans, but rather invented as the most convenient way of explaining something. Relying blindly on a 3500 year old text as a basis for modern day beliefs sounds rather convenient to me.

And wasn't the bible actually written by Moses, Joshua, Samuel, Ezra, Jeremiah, etc. etc. at various times from close to 1500 B.C. up until the 90's? Then how is it all interpretted as God's will? Do you claim that all these authors of various parts of the bible were influenced directly by God to write the exact things they wrote?

http://www.carm.org/bible/biblewhen.htm

By the way, I have not read the bible, nor do I claim to know very much about it. I expect that my information regarding the bible isn't completely accurate. However, at this time, I don't think I would listen to your interpretation of it, Budman, as I believe an outside, objective opinion is essential to learning about something.

[Inferius]

Just a little tidbit of lazy apathetic opinion.
Sociopaths go to hell.

[.undefined]

Budman, when is the Lord's Day according to the bible?

[Budman37]

The Lords Day will start after this dispensation of time ends. This dispensation of time will end when all the prophesy's written come to pass. Specifically when Satan appears on this earth and claims to be God or when the sixth seal, sixth vial, and the sixth trumpet or 666. This time is nearer then many think we are in the last generation before this event occurs..

[Budman37]

undefined is your avator the charactor from Donny Darko?? looks like it..

[.undefined]

How many people in the past do you think have said this: "we are in the last generation before this happens." Honestly. Then these people die and more people believe they're going to experience some huge divine experience.

Tell me about your personal experiences Budman, don't just recite the bible, please.

edit: it sure is :D :D it's frank the rabbit. Donnie Darko is one of my favorite movies. :)

[Budman37]

I love Donny Darko too..Great movie maybe my favorite too....
Personnal experience...well i have had that too, but the big thing that started me into this deep study was this..
My mom had cancer she was a ten year survivor. after 10 years her cancer came back and she was on deaths bed.. I was beginning to start to get back into seeking God before I had found out about this...It was a holiday weekend and i had just built this little prayer chapel for myself in the woods behind my house no reason just felt compelled to do this...I finished it up on sunday and went to my parents on monday..My mom was in bed and not well at all. When I was leaving my dad told us the cancer was back and it was bad....I went home i needed that little place to pray...anyway i went out there and bal;led my eyes out for hours i told God if he would give my mom more time i would give my life to learning about him and sharing him with others...the next day i went to moms and she was up and feeling well. she said she woke in the middle of the night and felt a sensation in her bed as she slept she got up and nothing was there went back to bed and woke up feeling great...She went into 100 % remission over nite...docs had notthing to say or explain it...anyway i started to study with her she had the best year of her life and learned and gained faith in God..1 year later the cancer came back and my mom diesd in complete peace she kept seeing people before she died people that had already died her mom and dad..she would ask did you see that??? She woke up at nite looked at my dad and said i have to go home now ill see you again closed her eyes and passed on.. since then ive been studying alot trew out tons of my own opinions and stick only to Gods word...very hard thing to do in this worlds now a days but its what i believe in and so many other things then just the bible prove God exist ..I wont trust any man only God at this point....

[Oneironaut]

Why does God never heal amputees? Why is it always things which are known to sometimes just go away on their own?

[Budman37]

He will in the millenium all people will be without sickness and there bodies will be spiritual wont age wont get sick anybody that suffers loss like that will regain there limbs. I have lost 3 fingers in an accident so i know how it feels a little, I wonder why sometimes too but ive learned that im still me and ill get my fingers back ...even if he did would you believe then???

[Inferius]

Why does God never heal amputees? Why is it always things which are known to sometimes just go away on their own?

Good things are always "god's will". Bad things are always caused by satan.
...lol.

[.undefined]

Budman, I'm sorry to hear about your loss but, believe it or not, I'm happy to hear that you've gained a strong faith from it. Ordinarily in reading of your story I might shrug it off and claim it was all conincidence. I'm trying to stay away from that sort of thinking cause I know it's ignorant.

However it's still not proof enough for me to believe in the same things that you do. For all I know your perception of the entire experience (from chapel to the passing of your mother) could be biased or inaccurate in some way.

Again, I'll just end this (as I'm about to crash) by saying that truth is relative and is shaped by each individual's own perception of a situation (and perception in turn is shaped by experience). Thus it makes sense that I, living without experiencing such as you have, would percieve the world, including religion, differently from you.

Much love.

[Budman37]

Not really God is coming back to cleanse this world..when He does there will be many people that are weeping and nashing, before that happens Satan comes in Gods name claiming to love everyone and brings a false peace to the world.

[.undefined]

Good things are always "god's will". Bad things are always caused by satan.
...lol.
That's a good observation. Again, another reason why I don't believe in God. It seems to me that this is similar in vain to the idea that I can't prove that God doesn't exist but you can't prove that He does. It's like truth by default. Or a backwards lottery.

[Budman37]

Just remember God closes the eyes of many and only God can open them to understanding..I understand your point of view and respect it and so does God..It will all be ok, you seem like a very good person Only God knows the heart of a man...Only he can judge impartially not man...People like you are better then alot of the lost christians there nothing but self righteous hypocrites and God knows that too.....

[Budman37]

You've never proved God didnt exist..Theres a story in the new testament about 2 guys one beliebves in god and is poor the other doesnt and is a rich man...when they both die the poor one is with God the other is seperated from God but still in heaven. He ask God to let him go back to earth to warn his family that he was wrong God says if they dont believe my word not even a dead man rising will change there minds....
Good Nite and take care

[.undefined]

Cool, thanks for that discussion! Good night to you too, sir!