legalise weed!!! your veiws here!!!

[vicstar]

:o :( :) !!!!!!!!!LEGALLISE WEED!!!!!!!!! :o :( :)

[vicstar]

i think it should be legal and would be kwl if it was sold in shops as well wht does every one else think??

[vicstar]

yeh

[RESiNATE]

If you legalise weed, vicstar, then the chances are that the government will introduce taxes for it - it then becomes an issue with quality, as the growers will try to maximise their profits - much in the same way as tobacco is now (the quality of tobacco is ridiculous).

Why bother?
The only thing that it will achieve is that you'll be able to smoke without getting prosecuted.
Which in turn will open the doors to experimentation by people who would otherwise abstain through fear of getting caught - if cannabis IS a gateway drug (a ridiculous idea), then more people will become drug addicts, then where would we be?

It's a nice idea, but if you look harder at the ramifications, then I think you'll find that the way it is now, is the best way.

Better to be sensible and discrete, and carry on as normal, I think.

There would be compulsory drug-testing in the work place, which will lead to higher insurances, loss of jobs, and an alienation from society.
Cannabis is a pyschoactive drug (ie, it affects your thought processes), would you be happy getting into a plane with a stoned pilot?
Cannabis stays in your system for about 6 months, even years if you're a regular user, you'd not be able to get a job, thus wouldn't be able to afford the dope, so what's the point?

I say, leave it as is, take your chances - but if you're sensible, then life and dope can go hand in hand for a better experience of life.
JMO

[vicstar]

yeh it makes it more of a mission i spose it being illegal and it wont be very good coz evry 1 will do it thn it will be like nuttin

[RESiNATE]

exactly :)...now your learning lol

(and I'm not being condescending with that statement)

[vicstar]

wht does condescending mean??

[Mrs PotatoHead]

Governments only legalise shit so they can reap the economic benefits of selling it. So I reckon if they legalised smoking they would still not let us grow (just like tobacco and spirits) cause they can't collect the money from it. Then you would be worse of cause you'd be having to smoke processed shit full of additives and who knows what else.

[Kid Dynamite]

It would be sweet if it was legal...after all, friday night, your dealers been busted and you cant get any skunk for love nor money...weve all been there. There would be major issues with quality, i agree, but on the upside quality control would prevent dealers from cutting your weed with shit, or ripping you off.

Swings and roundabouts, Swings and roundabouts...

[vicstar]

yeh exacly

[RESiNATE]

wht does condescending mean??

intr.v. con·de·scend·ed, con·de·scend·ing, con·de·scends
To descend to the level of one considered inferior; lower oneself. See Synonyms at stoop1.
To deal with people in a patronizingly superior manner.

adj.
Displaying a patronizingly superior attitude: â??The independent investor's desire to play individual stocks may well worry some market veterans, but that smacks a little of Wall Street's usual condescending attitude toward small investorsâ?� (Tom Petruno).

[Mrs PotatoHead]

It would be sweet if it was legal...after all, friday night, your dealers been busted and you cant get any skunk for love nor money...weve all been there. There would be major issues with quality, i agree, but on the upside quality control would prevent dealers from cutting your weed with shit, or ripping you off.

Swings and roundabouts, Swings and roundabouts...

Cut out the middle man and grow one. Then you won't have to worry bout what its mixed with, costs less, no dodgy dealers or gettin caught unhigh and dry :)

[maryjanemama]

wht does condescending mean??
It means when someone acts "all knowing" like they are speaking to a child. Example my husband, if I looked the word up in the dictionary, I'm sure his picture would be in there, too. All conversations here begin with, "Jesus Christ, Mary!!!!" Followed by a barage of how everything in the world is my fault and can't I do anything fucking right? Do I have to be such an idiot ALL OF THE TIME?

Oh, wait....what was this thread about? :rolleyes: :eek:

[vicstar]

http://www.ebaumsworld.com/dubdub2.html
this web site is a proper trip out turn ya sound on and then clik the play button !

[RESiNATE]

It means when someone acts "all knowing" like they are speaking to a child. Example my husband, if I looked the word up in the dictionary, I'm sure his picture would be in there, too. All conversations here begin with, "Jesus Christ, Mary!!!!" Followed by a barage of how everything in the world is my fault and can't I do anything fucking right? Do I have to be such an idiot ALL OF THE TIME?

Oh, wait....what was this thread about? :rolleyes: :eek:

Hmmmmm
;)

[vicstar]

yes well stop writing in my threads resinated ur fucked up and annoying and think u klno evry thing ur probably about 80 thts y u mite kno a little more thn i do dick head

[RESiNATE]

A wise man doesn't know everything :)

I wish I was 80, then perhaps I might die soon :D

I don't know more than you, I just know things that you do not, yet - but, if you listen to your elders, then you will learn about those things of which you yet do not.

I will write wherever I wish, in the small hope that I will pass on some of my knowledge in return for some of your knowledge...that's how learning works.

:)

[Mrs PotatoHead]

A wise man doesn't know everything :)

I wish I was 80, then perhaps I might die soon :D

I don't know more than you, I just know things that you do not, yet - but, if you listen to your elders, then you will learn about those things of which you yet do not.

I will write wherever I wish, in the small hope that I will pass on some of my knowledge in return for some of your knowledge...that's how learning works.

:)

Although it does seem that your head is going further and further up your own anal passage, you do seem to be knowledgabl. :)

[vicstar]

yeh u head is up ya own arse

[RESiNATE]

Although it does seem that your head is going further and further up your own anal passage, you do seem to be knowledgabl. :)

lol maybe, but read the disclaimer below :)

Brain the size of a planet, reduced to making cups of tea!

[Bwueh]

Yeah he obviously has no knowledge to give back exept immature babble.

[vicstar]

huh???

[Mrs PotatoHead]

Variety is the spice of life. Immature babble mixed with a little bit of knowledge. How's that song go.

Just a spoon full of sugar helps the medicine go down
In the most delightful way.

[RESiNATE]

Me - apparently

[vicstar]

lol

[Looker]

STOP THE BULLSHIT

So many corporations drug test its ridiculous....

When I ran dry of weed a couple of months ago you know who hooked me up??

A co-worker!!!!! :)

[BOgart.bitch]

that'd be nice.

[vicstar]

tht picture looker has is well fucked u lols

[GHoSToKeR]

like Res said, its probably better if it stays like it is.. maybe less restrictions on it.. it would just be cool if society didnt look down on it so much anymore, you know?

[Sinsemilla Jones]

Try living in the fucked up US!:eek:

Well, I wouldn't either, but I'm here, but get thee to a hemp site, and read up.:eek:
Oh, this IS a hemp site, then just read up.:eek:

There's some cannabis news just around the corner.:eek:
There's little Jack Herrer down the street.:eek:

You almost sounded like our US Drug Czar Res!:eek::eek::eek:

If any of you it's fine folks are from A'dam, maybe.:cool:
But when you realize what it's all about, not.:eek::eek::eek::eek::eek:

Anywho, just dropped by to say this is the lamest thread titled Legalize Pot ever!
Repeat again in Comic Book Guy voice,
Worst Thread Ever!

[dylan]

i beleve legal pot in the us would be, and will be, a step in the right direction. some quality may go down due to greed, but some people will still put forth the effort to sell quality product. besides, legalization would give farmers the ability to openly experiment and improve, both the genetics and growing supplies, which would inmrove the quality. also, companies who test for drugs might change some policies. after all, alcohol is legal, but just because a substance is legal does not mean it's acceptable at work! i would prefer a "high" pilot rather than a "drunk" pilot. another point is that if the police dept. was not wasting time arresting potheads they could put more pressure on other (harder) drugs.

[Lulu]

Ofcourse it should be legal!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
There shouldn't be anyone able to forbid you to grow a plant :mad:
It's a completely fucked up law.
We haven't got it so bad here (Class C)
But in America it's truly ridiculous :rolleyes:
But hopefully thing's will change ~ sooner rather than later wud be nice :D

[GHoSToKeR]

i beleve legal pot in the us would be, and will be, a step in the right direction. some quality may go down due to greed, but some people will still put forth the effort to sell quality product. besides, legalization would give farmers the ability to openly experiment and improve, both the genetics and growing supplies, which would inmrove the quality. also, companies who test for drugs might change some policies. after all, alcohol is legal, but just because a substance is legal does not mean it's acceptable at work! i would prefer a "high" pilot rather than a "drunk" pilot. another point is that if the police dept. was not wasting time arresting potheads they could put more pressure on other (harder) drugs.
true

[never 2 much]

the only reason they cant legalise it is b/c they cant find a way to cover it, they cant get taxes to pay for it.
i dunno why i mean evvvvvvvvveryone smokes it!
I mean OMG its the only plant that is illigal to grow.
thats sooo stupid
but it would be off the hook if it was legal!

[GHoSToKeR]

Ofcourse it should be legal!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
There shouldn't be anyone able to forbid you to grow a plant :mad:
It's a completely fucked up law.
We haven't got it so bad here (Class C)
But in America it's truly ridiculous :rolleyes:
But hopefully thing's will change ~ sooner rather than later wud be nice :D
right on, Lulu.. i mean, if it's legal, there would eb a chance that quality would go down hill because of comemrcial growers trying to maximise yields and profit.. but even if that was so, there would be so many more people growing at home, right? plus, it shouldnt be illegal in the first place

[Button Basher]

What are the laws in America? I thought they were pretty much the same as UK!!

[sToNeDpEnGuIn420]

man i dont want weed legalized...it would just up the prices, atleast imo because the stores would sell high(just as they do for medicnal weed) then dealers would sell higher...big loop which involves me losing money and not getting enough weed :( thats my opinion o and Res, i respect you....so vic.... ,|,,(>.<),,|,
and yes call me immature for my lil face but god damn it, i love that lil face...it says soo much :D

[Proof]

It should become leagle in a couple of years jus be patient :) and stonedpenguin420 if it ends up with prices goin up should try growing ur own plant then ur sorted :D!

[sToNeDpEnGuIn420]

lol got 4 growing right now...5 weeks old :D

[Proof]

Cool hope its goes ok, so nice to see ur buds develop on ur plant i love it but god damn it takes a while before u can smoke em !

[Euphoric]

im surprised anyone here is for keeping it illegal. kind of disappointed. :( maybe shocked! :eek:
legalize it and legalize it today!!!

button basher: i believe the laws in UK are slightly more lax than in the US. A few of the states still have more strict policies than the ones in china. oh we can do so much better than this..

BTW proof, i like your optimistic attitude! Keep hope alive. It's only a matter of time :D

[maryjanemama]

Maybe I'm not in the majority here, but if the only way to legalize it would be for the gov't to tax it, I would pay the tax. As long as it was a fair tax and the money would be spent well. I think with the right regulations, it could work FOR our country. It shouldn't be legal for anyone under 21 (sorry!), should be tax free for medicinal users, covered by health insurance for medicinal users. Ppl should be able to grow their own but the gov't should be able to tax it if ppl want to sell what they grow. There could be guidelines set so that commercial growers wouldn't be able to sell shitty weed. Just like alchohol, there's crappy Keystone beer and then there's high priced champagne- you'd get what you paid for. LEGALIZE IT!!!

[KillaBuzz]

all'z u gotta do iz think bout the fact that alcohol iz legal an look how fucked u can get on it. drunk ppl cause fightz an break shit, pot smokerz juss wanna chill an put there mind at ease. Potent herbz an leavez cood ease the world...
PeAcE

[Imotep]

Res,
pot can be a gateway drug. i said can. it was for me. i wanted something bigger, better, stronger, weirder after i got stoned.
a bit like alcohol can be a gateway to smoking cigarettes and gambling addiction if you walk into a pub for a beer. :)

[never 2 much]

all'z u gotta do iz think bout the fact that alcohol iz legal an look how fucked u can get on it. drunk ppl cause fightz an break shit, pot smokerz juss wanna chill an put there mind at ease. Potent herbz an leavez cood ease the world...
PeAcE

alcohol is legal but weed isnt!
alcohol, does all kinda shit that weed has never and probably wont do.
Have you ever heard of car crashes or deaths from weed?
I havent but you hear about nearly every day on ppl who drink.
drinking is bad, except on special accasions(SP). like new years, and parties and shit, ya know. but weed, you can smoke all day everyday. :o Thats cool.
i think that they should legalize weed, and have higher restrictions on alcohol.
:( :o :)
Fuck im high right now :D
i love weed!

[GHoSToKeR]

alcohol is legal but weed isnt!
alcohol, does all kinda shit that weed has never and probably wont do.
Have you ever heard of car crashes or deaths from weed?
I havent but you hear about nearly every day on ppl who drink.
drinking is bad, except on special accasions(SP). like new years, and parties and shit, ya know. but weed, you can smoke all day everyday. :o Thats cool.
i think that they should legalize weed, and have higher restrictions on alcohol.
:( :o :)
Fuck im high right now :D
i love weed!
right on :D

[RESiNATE]

OH>>>So many things to reply to, I wish I hadn't had to go to work...

Okies, here I go...

Firstly, there is a MAJOR difference between LEGALISE and DECRIMINALISE - I would prefer the latter - that way, it would be confined to private homes and bars - like in Amsterdam.

Imotep, cannabis is NOT a gateway drug - you are the gateway (no disrespect), it is within your own psyche to seek a bigger hit. I know people who have smoked dope for many many years, and have no desire to try anything harder (I'm talking folks who have smoked it since they were 16, and are now 70). It's like alcohol - if you are of the persuasion that you want a bigger hit, you'll get it.

Cannabis is not physically addictive,, but it may be psychologically addictive - two very different issues.

You compare the quality of today's tobacco with tobacco that was produced in (for example) the 40's, and you will find that the level of 'foriegn' additives are of a much higher degree - why?...economics.

Because cannabis stays in the system longer, when are you going to smoke it?
It's not like alcohol, where you can have a couple of pints the night before, and be 'reasonably' sober before going to work the next day. With the drug testing that will become COMPULSORY in every work place and school, due to pressure from the insurance companies, even more restrictions to your enjoyment of the herb will be apparent.

I would want my pilot to be COMPLETELY straight, thank you very much...you all know yourselves, how easy it is for your mind to wander off sometimes...would you want your pilot to drift off into la-la-land, or start zoning out to all the pretty flashing lights on his dash-board? lol


Listen, I'm one of the biggest championers of weed, I got a major bollocking from CH4 for suggesting that everyone should spend a year getting stoned, once they turned 18..lol...I just thought that it would chill people the fuck out, and in time start solving this ridiculous mess that the world is in...a little niave, perhaps, but the sentiment was sound...grrr..I got banned from thier site lmfaooo

Look at it this way:
What obstacles do you face, as a toker, right now?
Ya gotta be a bit sneaky sometimes, or you gotta hide away somewhere where noone will see you...is that such a major bind?
It hasn't stopped us so far...
What benefits will legalising weed bring to you?

Maybe you wont have to sneak around, maybe you wont have to hide away...so fucking what? When you look at all the negative things that would come from legalising it....is it really worth it?

I honestly don't think so....leave it the way it is, I say

Just my opinion :)

[RESiNATE]

Oh, and one more thing.

The only reason that cannabis was made illegal, was because of the cotton industry.
Hemp is a far superiour material to cotton, and is cheaper to manufacture...but because the cotton industry kicked up such as fuss (ie, the big fat cats of the day stood to lose loads of money) they banned it.
Queen Victoria was a toker, and even decreed that farmers that had land over a certain acreage, must devote a percentage of that land to cultivating cannabis...
..course, when she died, the rest is history...

[Imotep]

i wont quibble over the definition of "gateway drug".
im driving right now so i shouldnt even be posting.

[RESiNATE]

Sorry Imotep, I didn't mean to offend you - I'm in a proper bad mood today, and the cry of 'gateway drug' (usually bleated out by anti-cannabis campaigners) really fucks me off ;)

I know peeps that think that smoking is disgusting, and yet they smoke grass (with no tobacco in it), and have no desire to take any other drug.
The thing is - if one is of a tendacy to try for bigger and harder hits, it doesn't matter what they start with, they'll move on anyways.

Ie, lager shandy leads to bottle of beer, leads to shot of whiskey, leads to bottle of whiskey - someone offers them a ciggie, which leads to a joint, and on to cocaine, leads to heroin...etc etc - it's a part of who they are - genetic, almost.
Talk to most alcoholics, and you'll find that their parents were alcoholics, and their granbdparents before them.

And it's not just drugs..we can see this pattern in all walks of life..

A karter moves onto saloon car racing, then stock cars, then rallying, then formula ! etc...it's the inbuilt need for bigger harder faster more...

Oh, and drive safe, dude...:)

[Imotep]

im driving to therapy coz u insulted me lol.

[RESiNATE]

Shit!

*hangs head in shame*
*goes to ticket booth*
"Yes, ticket for Guiltsville, please..."

lol

[shadowfox]

Try living in the fucked up US!:eek:

Well, I wouldn't either, but I'm here, but get thee to a hemp site, and read up.:eek:
Oh, this IS a hemp site, then just read up.:eek:

There's some cannabis news just around the corner.:eek:
There's little Jack Herrer down the street.:eek:

You almost sounded like our US Drug Czar Res!:eek::eek::eek:

If any of you it's fine folks are from A'dam, maybe.:cool:
But when you realize what it's all about, not.:eek::eek::eek::eek::eek:

Anywho, just dropped by to say this is the lamest thread titled Legalize Pot ever!
Repeat again in Comic Book Guy voice,
Worst Thread Ever!

Yeah the topic isn't bad, but the content is pretty bad.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v344/bloodydove/sucks13.jpg

Dammit! How do you post pics? Do I have to use that attached file thing? Why doesn't it come out?

[Sinsemilla Jones]

At least on some points.
Of course, a lot depends on where you live.

I live in a southern U.S. state where there are a LOT of dry spells of even shit weed, and KB is always way over priced and in short supply. If you are caught growing your own, you will spend at least 3 years in prison for just one seedling, mandatory minimum sentence (no probation, no parole, the judge has no choice).

If it were legalized, the price would drop not rise. The reason it can cost as much as gold is because it's illegal.

The government keeps the supply artificially lower than the demand. If legal, grow operations could be bigger and more numerous, thus increasing the supply to meet the demand and lowering the price. And instead of being lucky to find one dealer (my situation, at least), I would have a choice of vendors and a greater variety of weed and prices. Competition would not only create lower prices, but the availability of better pot.

Although greatly taxed, tobacco is still much cheaper than marijuana, even though they are both plants. That's because there are competing tobacco companies, and no limit on how much can be grown or transported because of the threat government confiscation.

Decrim makes things easier on the user as far as incarceration is concerned, but it keeps the constraints on supply, so availability remains low and prices remain high.

Pot testing in the workplace has already become common in the US, it's becoming more frequent in schools, and is soon coming to the highways. Legalization couldn't make this any worse, but could make things better by allowing people to openly demand tests that would show whether on not someone is acutely intoxicated on marijuana, rather than the tests today that only show whether someone might have smoked pot once in the last month.

Actually, I think people should be judged by their behavior, rather than what's in their urine, blood, breath, or hair. If you are in control of yourself, there's no problem no matter what you've ingested. If you're out of control, you're a problem even if it's because you're just sleepy or angry.

I think pot is a gateway drug, not from its effects, but because it is illegal. The person you buy pot from often has coke and pills for sale, too. The store where you buy cigs and beer doesn't sell crack and heroin. Plus, when people are told that pot is bad for you and then they discover it isn't, they often think what they've been told about truly dangerous drugs is a lie, too.

Finally, while cotton benefitted from hemp prohibition, the real instigators, at least in the U.S., were the timber and the petroleum based synthetics industries.

William Randolph Hearst, the biggest newspaper publisher in the U.S. before WWII, owned vast amounts of timber used to make pulp paper. The value of his timber was threatened by new technology to havest and process hemp into pulp for much less cost than timber. Hearst not only published the many lies about marijuana circulated in the 1920s and 30s, but wrote them himself and personally met with federal officials to encourage a national marijuana law.

Du Pont was the richest and most powerful company in the world by the 1920s, after supplying most of the arms to both sides in WWI, and was partners with Standard Oil. They were developing petroleum based synthetic materials such as Nylon, whose main competition would be natual hemp fiber and the synthetics that could be made from hemp's rich source of cellulose. They also developed chemicals used in the processing of timber into pulp paper and owned a lot of timber land. As if that wasn't enough, DuPont also owned General Motors, whose chief competitor, Ford, was developing cars made of hempen materials. DuPont was well aware of hemp's potential, because they had used a lot of it to manufacture dynamite. Politicians key in the passage of the Marijuana Tax Act of 1937 were connected to DuPont.

[Deadphish420]

I now see the bad about getting it legalized. but what about this. what if they kept it illegal but you no longer got arrested for it, unless you got a ticket or warning or whatnot for driving under the influence or something. ya know what i mean? they do it in other contries, i think canada. i forget. but still no smoking on the job. Just dont be as harsh about it. I got arrested for having 1 bowl pack (less than a gram) of nug on me. what the fuck? and i wasnt even smoking. i was on my way to work. and i had my container with me. he took both my bowls too, which i wasnt using at the time. now i have to go to court. thats a waste.

[Deadphish420]

your right too tho. lower prices and better selection. werd. keep it out of the stores tho.

[Imotep]

At least on some points.
Of course, a lot depends on where you live.

[color=DarkGreen] I think pot is a gateway drug, not from its effects, but because it is illegal. The person you buy pot from often has coke and pills for sale, too. The store where you buy cigs and beer doesn't sell crack and heroin. Plus, when people are told that pot is bad for you and then they discover it isn't, they often think what they've been told about truly dangerous drugs is a lie, too.

hey spot on. when i first started smoking i thought coz my oldies lied about pot all the rest must be ok too.

[RESiNATE]

*applauds* some good points of view, Sinsemilla..some of which I hadn't considered.

I guess it's swings and roundabouts, isn't it.
I still disagree with the 'gateway drug' theory, but I see your point (as I did yours, Imotep :) ) - but no-one is forcing you to go the 'next step', surely that is down to you (?)

I think that the main issue here is proper education and research. We still don't know the long-term effects of smoking dope/grass, and there are still a great many people in positions of power that are ill-informed about the use of cannabis and other drugs in general.

I suppose that I am a bit blase, because it is readily available where I live, and so am of the mind that 'if it ain't broke, don't fix it'.
Good debate :)

[Mrs PotatoHead]

Legal/illegal, crim/decrim. Both have the good aspects and bad, but like res said most importantly people need to be educated cause when it comes down to it, you make your own bed. Whether you choose to smoke, use other drugs or whatever.
Shit I am studying to be a primary school teacher and I had to sit through some fuckers lesson on how marijuana is a bad drug and it's bad for you so just don't do it. Kids don't listen to that shit and then go ok I won't. They go oh wow drugs I wonder give me some and I will find out for myself.
My mum was a counsellor, and we lived with a reggae band for a while and saw people completely fucked on drugs a lot as a child. My mum gave me some sort of scientific pamphlets to educate me a little on what drugs where and what they did to your body but never once did she say don't do them or their bad. Nothing was hidden or exagerated.
As a teenager I experimented and was able to tald to my mum about stuff. I saw many of my friends fuck up badly because of drugs and they had no one to turn to, because they felt ashamed and knew their parents would freak. To be exact three of them died, 2 suicides one on pot and the other drunk and 1 o.d on smack. One guy started on pot, moved to speed, then smack and now he's in jail.
The whole point of this long story is that the one thing most of these people had in common is that they were not given real life education just stuff out of books or out of their parents mouths. If using drugs was out in the open then society would be able to better deal with the problems that come with (such as addictions and mental disorders).

Hope this all makes sense. I just had to get it out.