Best lighter to use..

[Pride]

I found a difference while using 2 different lighters in the same session..

I used a butane lighter and it was harsh as fuck.
I switched to a regular BIC lighter and it felt real soft.

Most people don't know the difference in these kind of lighters. Butane lighters can equal the price of BIC lighters so it makes it harder to realize a difference; most would think they are all the same thing what they are getting when they pick out a random lighter. Make sure you are getting a BIC lighter It's softer and healthier. Less fuels to inhale. Safe smokes. :rasta:

[EmericanStoner420]

dude your a fag, i dont think anybody cares about what lighter they use, just smoke weed, get blazed and its all good



ede

[Pride]

Yeah well, fuck you.
jus advising what lighter to buy for the many fuckin' times a stoner has to go to the store..
Might as well make a daily ritual better with friendly advice that's only helping for the greater good.
Motherfuck.. :pimp:

[Green Love]

Torch

[CultureCherryPopper]

Can't beat a BIC. Matches are nice too sometimes.

[BDubz26062]

BIC. for sure

[Nodnorb]

ive always used a bic wats the butane look like im not sure wat ur talkin about

[DylanN89]

butane is like not a flmae its s torch it could light up different colors.... honestly i dont think this post is really that good ... no matter waht pride everyone is gonna use waht they want... i really dont give a fuck as long as i can get it to spark lol.... but i agree i love my white bics.... :D :thumbsup:

[invoke]

bic, bic, bic!

[couch-potato]

dude your a fag, i dont think anybody cares about what lighter they use, just smoke weed, get blazed and its all good



ede


Is that really necessary? He gave great advice, and you just be a complete douchebag about it. Fuck off, or kill yourself. Either one is good.

[suhl]

isnt butane the gas that is in bics and most disposable lighters?
if so i dont think it would make a difference in the harshness. in fact i dont think any gas would unless it was burning at a hotter or cooler temperature

[hammertime]

bic lighters are great as well as DJEEP brand lighters....they are square shaped almost and seem to be great for bongs. and Emericanstoner got herpes from giving oral sex to a donkey...sick shit but true

[AlwaysBlazed]

I refuse to smoke without a bic =)

[yoyoman1020]

dude your a fag, i dont think anybody cares about what lighter they use, just smoke weed, get blazed and its all good



ede

you fucking douchebag, go die. he's just helping people out.

i use a bic and it's definitely smoother and softer than most others. and it's affordable.

[AlwaysBlazed]

Matches are nice too sometimes.

Man, matches are gross :stoned::stoned:

[Pride]

[attachment=o88263]
These are the butane lighters.

[attachment=o88264]
These are BIC lighters.

Too many times have I gotten bhutane lighters cause they were cheaper, or the only ones they had in the store. I'd buy them- not knowing any differences as bhutanes and bics are sold standing next to each other merely liooking like differently made models rather than actual different fuels being used without any sign telling you if it's bhutane or not which is why the pic I attached should be of great help.
Now that I know a difference, I'm not fucking lazy as to just buy a bhutane, but I would go to the store next by and search for the BICs.

No, suhl butane uses butane fuels, and BICs use regular lighter fuels.. very different flamable liquids. But one is harsher than the other.

Matches taste better. Make sure it starts to burn from the wood or you will tap your blints with sulfar. It sounds too little to care but all the weed in the blunt is going to burn from sulfar induced fire. Might as well wait that extra few seconds for a better smoke.

I wonder what coals would be like if you used a hookah. Better taste for sure though.

[BaknBlake]

dude your a fag, i dont think anybody cares about what lighter they use, just smoke weed, get blazed and its all good



ede

Dude your a real dumbfuck...hes trying to help everyone out...There is a huge difference if you use a nice bic... Your the type of person who makes people not want to post on this board...why dont you go find a nice dick for you to suck and dont come back here unless you have something possitive to say....

[Stoner Dave]

dude your a fag, i dont think anybody cares about what lighter they use, just smoke weed, get blazed and its all good



ede

Wtf? You're a tool.

Back to topic I totally agree about the BIC, me and mybuddies wont buy anything else :thumbsup: :thumbsup:

[BaknBlake]

I found a difference while using 2 different lighters in the same session..

I used a butane lighter and it was harsh as fuck.
I switched to a regular BIC lighter and it felt real soft.

Most people don't know the difference in these kind of lighters. Butane lighters can equal the price of BIC lighters so it makes it harder to realize a difference; most would think they are all the same thing what they are getting when they pick out a random lighter. Make sure you are getting a BIC lighter It's softer and healthier. Less fuels to inhale. Safe smokes. :rasta:

Great advice..Bics really are smoother...

[Pride]

Torch lighters are bad because they, well, torch all your weed.
Also.. do you really want a torch lighter to handle when you're stoned? What if someone gets torched badly during their klutzy stoned struggle to get that extra hit?

Don't forget you're burning your weed at an overkill temperature that's only wasting weed faster. I'm damn sure the majority here don't like wasting weed as it is an expensive habit where secrets of toking can help conserve and by knowing the secrets is merely friendly ol' me advising not to use butanes and torches.

Just trying to help da community - :thumbsup:

[Kezmondo]

I have recently experienced how good bics are, they are so much better than any other lighters, and what type of lighter i use is VERY important to me and i know alot of others who feel the same, so dont piss take.

[pu ekot]

You all are really, really, really fucking ridiculous.

A BIC lighter is a ghetto ass butane ligther. It burns butane, just like any other non-zippo lighter, it uses a flint to ignite said butane, like most lighters, and other than that it's just a non-adjustable valve with a plastic resovoir.

A "butane lighter" is any lighter that burns butane, including BIC lighters. I don't know what you are referring to as a "butane lighter", but it popular gas station brands are Djeep, Bic, and Ronson, as well as no-name chinese ones. Expensive brands of butane lighters (some are in excess of $100) work in the same way, but usually use a piezoelectric lighter to ignite the butane. A piezoelectric lighter makes a small spark by compressing a quartz crystal (I honestly don't know exactly how that works).

A "jet" or "torch" lighter is a lighter that mixes butane with air before ignition, make a much hotter flame. Sometime manufactureres put a small piece of metal at the top to make a colored flame, such as copper for a green flame. These tend to be more effecient, but they can also bring out harmful chemicals in metals.

A zippo is, well, we all know what a zippo is.

In the picture(from left to right):
Ronson butane refill
Bic lighter
Slim refillable butane lighter
No-name chinese lighter
Zippo lighter
No-name chinese torch lighter

Now lets all calm down, realize that unless you are talking about a torch lighter, it was just the placebo effect, and stop yelling.

(keep in mind I'm college educated, unlike most people on this forum, and have been a pyro since most of you were in diapers)

[Pride]

not sure you're right man.. would like a link that tells us everything though. Internet to the rescue!

[Th3 Chr0nic]

i think he is right. according to this link http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lighter there are 2 types of fuel used in lighters. either naptha or butane. all naptha lighters use a wick to deliver the fuel. this would suggest all lighters without a wick or a "zippo" are using butane.
and from my experience the only difference i have seen between a bic brand and other gas station sold brands are the design and the fact that bic is simply a far better design and construction so it lasts a lot longer

[HypnotizedMind]

dude your a fag, i dont think anybody cares about what lighter they use, just smoke weed, get blazed and its all good



ede


Yeah shut up "ude four b tag"

i care i dont want cheap ass lighter with a tiny flame...i want a fuckin bic.

Bics are the best.

and emerica has the worst skate team ever...tight pant wearin mother fucker.

[Th3 Chr0nic]

and this link http://www.space.com/news/bic_fuel_000822.html in the first 2 paragraphs they say LOGAN, Utah Using the same butane fuel found in cigarette lighters, the smallest propulsion system to fly in space will help a soccer ball-sized "nanosatellite" rendezvous with another spacecraft late this year.

After considering various thruster propellants, designers chose butane, so "in the end, we flew a Bic lighter in space, " said Jeffrey Ward, managing director of Britains Surrey Satellite Technology, Ltd. "It shows you can build small propulsion systems that are cheap and can work

[Th3 Chr0nic]

and emerica has the worst skate team ever...tight pant wearin mother fucker.


LMFAO

[BongZoola]

Everyone trying to tell off EmericanStoner420 and then saying how they shouldent start shit in the first place are hypocrites, on the other hand torch lighters are great for bongs you get real fat hits.

[HypnotizedMind]

Everyone trying to tell off EmericanStoner420 and then saying how they shouldent start shit in the first place are hypocrites, on the other hand torch lighters are great for bongs you get real fat hits.

Nah, he was being a dick towards pride..when he has 23 posts.

yeah i dont have many either but i didnt make a bad impression on here when i first showed up.

[Cas]

it all depends on the situation. if you don't have to worry about wind, i'd say a BIC is the best. if you're outside on a windy day or in the winter, i'd go with a zippo.

[Greenport]

dude your a fag, i dont think anybody cares about what lighter they use, just smoke weed, get blazed and its all good



ede

man thats harsh but im not gunna flame u cuz im friends with every1 so just try to keep yourself nice :p

[S.P.Q.R.]

dude your a fag, i dont think anybody cares about what lighter they use, just smoke weed, get blazed and its all good



ede

Man get a fucking life, he's right by the way. Bic's are the only type of lighter i'll use a torch lighter sometimes for bongs. But never for a pipe.

[slipknotpsycho]

why the hell do you people call torch lighters 'butane lighters' wth do you think is in bics and every other disposable lighter? piss?

[pu ekot]

why the hell do you people call torch lighters 'butane lighters' wth do you think is in bics and every other disposable lighter? piss?

Pride actually thought it was different. Honest mistake.



it all depends on the situation. if you don't have to worry about wind, i'd say a BIC is the best. if you're outside on a windy day or in the winter, i'd go with a zippo.

Yeah, but if you fill a zippo too much holding it upside down can result in getting nasty brown water fluid in your pipe/weed, so I would just buy a torch lighter.

Also, jesus christ, everyone chill. Yeah, emericawhatever made a stupid comment. Get over it, making a big deal out of it isnt changing anything.

[JordaN23]

Whatever lighter is available is the best lighter.

[BongZoola]

Nah, he was being a dick towards pride..when he has 23 posts.

yeah i dont have many either but i didnt make a bad impression on here when i first showed up.

all a post count can tell you is how often someone sits at a computer for.

[SurfBud]

There IS a difference in the quality of the lighters...

Bic produce a smaller flame, allowing you to corner the bowl better and not fully cherry it, the smaller flame also means you inhale less butane.

The cheap chinese lighters pride was referring to originally as butane (usually thin and clear) produce a huge flame in excess of an inch or so much larger than Bics. This cherrie the weed more leading to a harsher hit and more chemically taste if that helps. That's why people dont usually use Zippos for bowls, since its all just chemicals extra

[miraz]

If you didnt know you should always use a bic, your retarded

[whatsurgenre]

this entry is from Here (http://www.concept420.com/how_to_make_a_bong.htm#carborslide)

"Lighters

Lighters come in a variety of shapes and sizes. Ordinary cigarette lighters are adequate for smoking bud, but they're not the best. If ordinary lighters are used, it's best to make sure the flame is at least 1.5" tall. When lighting, the lighter is best held vertically, with the flame being sucked over the edge of the bowl onto the bud. This method avoids singed fingers.

If possible, a pipe lighter should be purchased. Pipe lighters emit a tall flame at a ninety-degree angle, making it easier to light a bowl. The same effect can be achieved with conventional lighters by using a lighter "holster". The only one I've seen was made out of leather and had a "belt strap" on the back. The lighter was put into the holster, and the index and middle fingers fit snugly into the belt strap (with the holster resting on *top* of the fingers). The thumb could then flick the lighter with all fingers safely away from the flame even if the lighter were held sideways to light the bowl.

Above all else, though, the most important characteristic to look for in a lighter is reliability. It's depressing to be holding a packed bong, ready for a hit, and flicking the lighter over and over without getting a flame."

well... I'm not totally sure about "regular" lighters and others... but I think that torch lighters seem too harsh and too hot for the weed. aka burning more than you could of gotten in your lungs. Either way, after reading that entry from that site, I'm buying a "pipe lighter" on ebay.
I like the idea of high-end lighter + 45~90 degree flame that simply makes it look cooler when getting high.
I'm definitely a quality over quantity guy.

[cole]

i always try and use bic, i dont think i wouldever use a tourch lighter just cause it would burn to much green, as for matches let the sulfer burn off for a few seconds before using them

[pu ekot]

There IS a difference in the quality of the lighters...

Bic produce a smaller flame, allowing you to corner the bowl better and not fully cherry it, the smaller flame also means you inhale less butane.

The cheap chinese lighters pride was referring to originally as butane (usually thin and clear) produce a huge flame in excess of an inch or so much larger than Bics. This cherrie the weed more leading to a harsher hit and more chemically taste if that helps. That's why people dont usually use Zippos for bowls, since its all just chemicals extra

Actually, the chinese ones have adjustable flames, you can make them as small(barely visible) or as large(6+ inches) as you want. Sometimes the little adjusting knob is blocked by the metal wind shield, so you might have to remove it. Probably worth the $0.2 the bic costs just to have it tuned correctly out of the box. I don't know what "cherrie" means, but there are no chemicals in a torch or chinese lighter that aren't in a bic, and unless by "harsher" you mean "hotter" (temperature-wise) I don't know what you're talking about.


If you didnt know you should always use a bic, your retarded

No, that's not true. There is nothing special about a bic, other than a carefully tuned flame. If you think there aremajor differences between lighters after reading this thread, then you're retarded.



this entry is from Here (http://www.concept420.com/how_to_make_a_bong.htm#carborslide)

"Lighters

Lighters come in a variety of shapes and sizes. Ordinary cigarette lighters are adequate for smoking bud, but they're not the best. If ordinary lighters are used, it's best to make sure the flame is at least 1.5" tall. When lighting, the lighter is best held vertically, with the flame being sucked over the edge of the bowl onto the bud. This method avoids singed fingers.

If possible, a pipe lighter should be purchased. Pipe lighters emit a tall flame at a ninety-degree angle, making it easier to light a bowl. The same effect can be achieved with conventional lighters by using a lighter "holster". The only one I've seen was made out of leather and had a "belt strap" on the back. The lighter was put into the holster, and the index and middle fingers fit snugly into the belt strap (with the holster resting on *top* of the fingers). The thumb could then flick the lighter with all fingers safely away from the flame even if the lighter were held sideways to light the bowl.

Above all else, though, the most important characteristic to look for in a lighter is reliability. It's depressing to be holding a packed bong, ready for a hit, and flicking the lighter over and over without getting a flame."

well... I'm not totally sure about "regular" lighters and others... but I think that torch lighters seem too harsh and too hot for the weed. aka burning more than you could of gotten in your lungs. Either way, after reading that entry from that site, I'm buying a "pipe lighter" on ebay.
I like the idea of high-end lighter + 45~90 degree flame that simply makes it look cooler when getting high.
I'm definitely a quality over quantity guy.

Yeah, pipe lighters are nice, most (not all) of them are torch flames FYI...
Also, torch lighters are not "too harsh" or "too hot" for the weed, with a Bic or a torch it's just going to be burned bud. Torch lighters can make the pipe hotter, but that's the only existent negative effect (if you are smoking out of glass)



i always try and use bic, i dont think i wouldever use a tourch lighter just cause it would burn to much green, as for matches let the sulfer burn off for a few seconds before using them

A torch lighter doesn't burn any more green, it just burns hotter, if anything it would help you get more out of your bud. Letting the sulfur burn off matches is advisable, that stuff is nasty.

[Guitarhooligan]

You all are really, really, really fucking ridiculous.

A BIC lighter is a ghetto ass butane ligther. It burns butane, just like any other non-zippo lighter, it uses a flint to ignite said butane, like most lighters, and other than that it's just a non-adjustable valve with a plastic resovoir.

A "butane lighter" is any lighter that burns butane, including BIC lighters. I don't know what you are referring to as a "butane lighter", but it popular gas station brands are Djeep, Bic, and Ronson, as well as no-name chinese ones. Expensive brands of butane lighters (some are in excess of $100) work in the same way, but usually use a piezoelectric lighter to ignite the butane. A piezoelectric lighter makes a small spark by compressing a quartz crystal (I honestly don't know exactly how that works).

A "jet" or "torch" lighter is a lighter that mixes butane with air before ignition, make a much hotter flame. Sometime manufactureres put a small piece of metal at the top to make a colored flame, such as copper for a green flame. These tend to be more effecient, but they can also bring out harmful chemicals in metals.

A zippo is, well, we all know what a zippo is.

In the picture(from left to right):
Ronson butane refill
Bic lighter
Slim refillable butane lighter
No-name chinese lighter
Zippo lighter
No-name chinese torch lighter

Now lets all calm down, realize that unless you are talking about a torch lighter, it was just the placebo effect, and stop yelling.

(keep in mind I'm college educated, unlike most people on this forum, and have been a pyro since most of you were in diapers)


LMAO. I was hoping I'd be the one to deliver this post. I can't believe this thread went that long without it.

[filthyhands]

my favorite is matches... just seems to hit smoother imo.

[YoungShisha]

I use the automatic ones cuz i hate flickin them on and off when ur in the middle of takin a hit, especially if it doesn't light, and mine has a feature whether you want a tall or small flame, of course i use a tall flame, pretty nice i guess

[tristan]

i have yet to see someone rig a bic to catch someone's hair on fire. Cheap chinese lighters are dangerous. :<

[Nochowderforyou]

Wow, what a discussion about lighters. :p I never knew people got that upset at talking about this. ;)

I use a BIC when I'm inside, but if it's windy outside, I use by torch flame. There is nothing more than I hate trying to light up when the wind is blowing, so a wind resistant flame, works like a charm.

[SkatePopwar]

BICS

[SkatePopwar]

BICS- i used to use djeeps because you could ajust the flame but the flint kept shooting out from under the spinny thing at the worst time, so i switched to bics. plus i like the shiney metal on the top, i have a one-hit that looks like a cig, and you can never tell when its cherried when your hitting, so i jsut use the reflection in my bic.

at one point, i had a torch lighter (it was actually a pipe lighter, kinda sweet. the flame was like a mini blowtorch) and i would just hold the flame a few cm's above the bud and it would burn it really nicely, i wanna try that again

[yoda]

I refuse to smoke without a bic =)

thats kinda how i am. doesnt have to be a bic brand specifically(although it always is), but it has to be the same design or whatever you wanna call it.

butane lighters arent good cause they leave that funky taste

[Bob the Awesome]

I'd go after this, but really, just listen to pu ekot, he's saying what I wanna say perfectly :)

[Kryzco]

I prefer bics

i could care less actually

as long as it lights it up, then I know I'm getting what I paid for

[SmokeTheReEfer]

i used a djeep lighter last time i smoked a blunt. It was pretty smooth. Bics are also nice but butane is way to harsh

[Fabolous]

man a light is a light no matter how cheap or expensive, it all does the same thing... Fires up the joint/blunt or bowl. the only type of lighter that i would never recommend for smoke weed is the butane lighters(burns up all your weed befor you can hit it Heh).

[pu ekot]

i used a djeep lighter last time i smoked a blunt. It was pretty smooth. Bics are also nice but butane is way to harsh

Did you read a single letter of this thread? A djeep is butane, a bic is butane, everything is butane unless it's a zippo!


man a light is a light no matter how cheap or expensive, it all does the same thing... Fires up the joint/blunt or bowl. the only type of lighter that i would never recommend for smoke weed is the butane lighters(burns up all your weed befor you can hit it Heh).

Let me say this again:
everything is butane unless it's a zippo!

It's really not hard to understand.

[led.zeppelin]

I prefer bics, there pretty standard, Ive got like 10 of them sitting on my table at the moment

[Nochowderforyou]

I use any lighter, but DO NOT use a Butane lighter. It makes your weed taste bad and is bad for your health. ;)

I did that just for you pu_ekot. :)

[slpntrx5]

I use lighters.....

[FireyBudBurner]

I always go with the Bic, good advice. I can't believe how much ppl have to say about lighters.

[BigHyphyD]

theres only 1 and its not even close its B...I....C


i mean serisoulsy does anyhitng go wrong with them?

[jay42]

No one here uses clippers? Sure, you might not be able to get them at every 711, but they're probably my favorite lighter if you can find em in the US. Smaller than a bic so they fit better in my altoids tin with everything else. Plus you can impress your friends with the little built in poking tool.

[dankman]

Is that really necessary? He gave great advice, and you just be a complete douchebag about it. Fuck off, or kill yourself. Either one is good.



great advice? he said torch hurt his throat and the bic didnt
WOW!

i use bics but not white ones cuz those be bad luck with blunt i use a match just cause im a classy doo yadig

[froman471]

the best way to go is to get a good Zippo that u like and u can just keep refilling it:thumbsup:

[mini pothead]

i stick with my zippo for one simple reason.

It has a great graphic on it with " Cannablis : the thinking mans tobbaco " on :thumbsup:

[Purple Banana]

This is simply my thought on the whole ordeal; I think the differences between the torch and Bics are that the Bics use less fuel, so the taste isn't as bad, whereas with the torchers, you're getting a full flow of the fuel and a larger flame, so more fuel is going into your fire.

I don't know shit about lighters, other than mine are always Bics for some reason because of the funky designs on some of 'em.

[InTheJungle]

Bic lighters.

Don't use Zippos, they're crap for hitting bowls with.

[psychedellics]

some insightful posts here.

personally i dont like butane so i use a bic

just kidding LOL :D :D

anyway Bics are superior to any disposable lighter i have used. i am pretty intrigued by this cricket thing. ive heard the name but i cant remember seeing a cricket lighter for sale anywhere recently.

the clear ones are huge peices of shit for many reasons. the "adjustable flame" gets bigger every time you use it. i suspect it has to do with the hole where the gas comes out getting "eroded" away after multiple uses. the flame on those bastards always gets too damn big. also there are far too many plastic parts near the flame. these parts melt when the lighter is lit for more than 20 seconds (heating bowls for resin hits etc) and critical parts start coming off. like the flint roller.

bics are mostly metal parts at the top so this melting thing never happens. but that metal tip can get hot as fuck obviously.
whoever said that thing about using the metal tip as a mirror to check the cherry is brilliant... im going to use that.

also how many of you have seen adjustable flame Bics? i saw one a few weeks ago i couldnt beleive it! i havent seen one for sale anywhere...

and i wish that bic sold more electric lighters in the states. in europe electric bics are everywhere.

anyway is there a thread on lighting techniques? i try to hold the bic flame above the weed and use the method martinez was talking about. but i dont know if this is really the best way...

[InTheJungle]

Just hold the flame slightly above the marijuana, that way when you pull, the flame sits nicely on top of the weed, cooking it delightfully.

[Purple Banana]

I have seen the adjustable Bics! They have them at a music shop near my house, with awesome designs- Pink Floyd, Doors, fractals, spirals, anything! I like 'em okay, but I prefer the regular Bics.

[Natural Rx]

I find BIC's to be the ideal pot smoking lighter, but I've used everything from magnifying glasses to space heaters to get my bud fired up. I have a horrible habit of unconciously pocketing any BIC lighter that comes into my hands. I'll leave home with one and come home with 3.

[orangeman]

I use BIC's. I used to use dollar store lighters but I recently purchased a few BIC's and they are good :).

[pu ekot]

This is simply my thought on the whole ordeal; I think the differences between the torch and Bics are that the Bics use less fuel, so the taste isn't as bad, whereas with the torchers, you're getting a full flow of the fuel and a larger flame, so more fuel is going into your fire.

I don't know shit about lighters, other than mine are always Bics for some reason because of the funky designs on some of 'em.

Counterintuitive, but torch lighters use less fuel. There are two holes in the gas line before the flame, which suck in oxygen because of bernouli's principle, and they are mixed properly so it burns hotter and nicer.

[Domiko]

I personally prefer Ronson refillable torch lighters. Higher (and adjustable) flame, electric spark (easier to light than a flint), and only cost a few cents more. They're better (than Bics) for outdoors and colder weather in my opinion.

I have a Zippo, but I got sick of refilling it and I dispise the taste/smell. I might bring it out on a windy day.

Anyway, I'll use whatever is available. If it makes fire, it can help make me high.

[Eraserhead71]

matches

[halosin8r]

[attachment=o88263]
These are the butane lighters.

we call those crack lighters.


bic lighters are great as well as DJEEP brand lighters....they are square shaped almost and seem to be great for bongs.

agree. DJEEPS :thumbsup:

[suhl]

pretty sure bics are fueled by butane

[pu ekot]

I wanted to see why everyone loves bics so much, so I got one. I actually got a bic mini because it looked cooler. Not only did it not stay lit the first time I tried it (it was a bit windy out), but the next time, a few days later, I realized how much it sucks. I like to take my hits nice and slow, with a torch lighter this is no problem because the flame goes where you point it. With a bic, you have to suck hard enough to get the flame into the bowl, as a result I got many scooby snacks. I say torch all the way.