aluminum foil & alzheimer's disease...

[whatsurgenre]

I've ran across this on grasscity.com's forum.
This was a sticky thread.
See what you think and vote on if you would use it or not after you've read it.

Click dis OMG! (http://forum.grasscity.com/recreational-marijuana-use/107271-aluminum-foil-alzheimers-disease.html)

[BobBong]

"Scientist can not remember if Alzheimerâ??s Disease causes higher concentrations of aluminum, or if it is caused by high concentrations of aluminum."


:stoned: :stoned:

I think more studies need to be done :)

Interesting read though

[myselfandi]

Habitually smoking tobacco lowers your risk of Alzheimer's Disease. So smoke aluminum foil AND cigarettes just in case! :p

[bullfrog]

Aluminum foil beeing dangerous is news to me...
Everyone I know use it when cooking. You get the best fish ever if you make yourself a nice little fire outside, put a recently fished fish inside aluminum foil, and put it over the fire. I thought that was what aluminum foil was for?!
I seriously doubt that's dangerous at all. I also use foil when smoking every time.

[shoi]

i said i wont mind useing it but i think im more like i wouldnt be upset if i had to

[intrepidus6]

Aluminum foil is bad for you, mister!

[BobBong]

Aluminum foil is bad for you, mister!

Aluminum
Melting point 933.47 Kelvin
(660.32 °C, 1220.58 °F)

Unless you're sparking your bowl with a kiln...I don't think you have anything to seriously worry about.:o

[BobBong]

See? I told you all...LONG ago...that it wasn't going to hurt you...sheesh..

still wouldn't be my choice of material though..

Glass for Grass.. :rasta: :stoned:

[S.P.Q.R.]

I still won't use it

[CBsDankNugs]

i use it all the time. still alive. i think that all the stories are bullshit.

[shoi]

ive used it once or twice and i dont like the taste it makes... too strong

[halo]

Well its good to know its not too bad for you but im still not gonna use it. I dont have to and it tastes bad.

[intrepidus6]

Even if the fumes aren't released from burning it(which they are, lol), you still have it on your mouth.

[BobBong]

Even if the fumes aren't released from burning it(which they are, lol), you still have it on your mouth.

Yea, that new edible aluminum is really becomming popular...

[stinkyattic]

Even if the fumes aren't released from burning it(which they are, lol), you still have it on your mouth.
That's a good point.
Combustion makes vapor, impurities from incomplete combustion (leaving black residue, not white) can make that vapor acidic, and that combination can corrode the aluminum so it DOES become mobile.
Plus your saliva is acidic.
If I had to smoke out of metal, it would be either stainless steel, anodized aluminum, titanium, or bronze, which are all pretty resistant to corrosion.

[YouD0nt]

FUCK NO!! not bronze, it tastes sooooooooo horrible... plz nvr use bronze... the time i used a bronze pipe, i got blazed but I almost threw up becasue it tasted so horrible.

[LIP]

Never used it, never will. I dont see the point, when you can just go but a pipe, or some real screens for a bong. I wouldnt risk it.

[hash in hand]

That's a good point.
Combustion makes vapor, impurities from incomplete combustion (leaving black residue, not white) can make that vapor acidic, and that combination can corrode the aluminum so it DOES become mobile.
Plus your saliva is acidic.

incomplete combustion produces less carbon dioxide and more carbon ("black residue") and carbon monoxide. carbon monoxide is a poison because it replaces the oxygen in your blood. neither carbon or carbon monoxide are acidic and hence do not corrode the aluminium. and your saliva is not acidic (your stomach ACIDS are but not saliva), instead it contains enzymes which start to breakdown any starchy foods you eat.

i always use AL if i'm out of gauzes......plus people use it in the oven with FOOD and thats heated to the same (if not most likely higher) temps than a lighter and for longer time periods. so shove that in your pipe and fuck off

[stinkyattic]

incomplete combustion produces less carbon dioxide and more carbon ("black residue") and carbon monoxide. carbon monoxide is a poison because it replaces the oxygen in your blood. neither carbon or carbon monoxide are acidic and hence do not corrode the aluminium.

You're assuming that cannabis is made of nothing but pure carbon.
Which it isn't.
Take coal for example, which is made of plant material. Lots of carbon but that's not all.
The nitrates, phosphates, etc found in plant matter are still in the coal, which, when burned, releases them into the atmosphere and they are part of acid rain (nitric and phosphoric acids).


so shove that in your pipe and fuck off

You have a nice day too, now, y'hear?

[enthused]

didnt read but i gathered info from the posts. I hardly use it but before I was a daily toker I used it ALL the time cause I didnt have anything else. now i got bongs, pipes, vaporizers galore so the aluminum just comes into play when I make gravity bongs which isnt too often anymore

[ShrmHuntr]

plus people use it in the oven with FOOD and thats heated to the same (if not most likely higher) temps than a lighter and for longer time periods. so shove that in your pipe and fuck off

Are you kidding? What a rediculous assumption! The flame from a lighter can be upwards of thousands of degrees fahrenheit! people rarely cook things in foil above 350-375F.

Go ahead and stick to your microwave burritos and aluminum pipes.

[slowburn420]

i think tin foil is safe, but what about using like a can or plastic? i heard that the chemicals in the paint on the can burn and u smoke them, and i heard that u burn the plastic when u smoke out of a bottle. can anyone clarify this plz?

[miraz]

Personally I hate tinfoil, every time i smoked out of it (recently not when i first started) i gag, and it hurts my throat pretty bad. I have a lot of ratchets now so i use grav craps on empty plastic bottles with a small hole at the bottom. Becasue my parents smashed my glass :(

[4gan2ja0]

in my earlier, poorer days i would use it, but now i have some pipes and a budy has a bowl so its all good.

[d00d989]

thats bs, you CAN melt aluminum foil with a butane lighter....ive done it before

[moeburn]

aluminum foil increases your high and makes you see funny colors similar to cocaine

[Captain Hanks]

aluminum foil increases your high and makes you see funny colors similar to cocaine

uhm... no!
and alluminum foil is bad for you, smoking out of anything other then glass is somewhat bad for you

[yoyoman1020]

me n' a buddy used to use foil in a 2 liter and take massive hits, and never had any bad taste or throat-hurting. I loved it. Obviously I prefer my pipe/bong over foil, but it gets the job done.

[moeburn]

uhm... no!
and alluminum foil is bad for you, smoking out of anything other then glass is somewhat bad for you

kidding.

smoking is bad for you. the carbon that sticks to your lungs should be your biggest problem, not any microscopic traces of aluminum that are vaporized from the lighter.

You probably get more aluminum from your drinking water and kitchen utensils than you would ever get from an aluminum bowl. If you're really that worried about light metals, you should probably invest in a water purifier.

Besides, with the shit going on right now in my life, I'd rather have alzheimer's disease when i'm 60 so i don't remember it. I'll probably be toking more often when i'm a senior than i do now, anyway.

[harris7]

Aluminum
Melting point 933.47 Kelvin
(660.32 °C, 1220.58 °F)

Unless you're sparking your bowl with a kiln...I don't think you have anything to seriously worry about.:o

why do you think the melting point of aluminum has anything to do with its ability to cause Alzheimerâ??s.

Heating aluminum increases its vapor pressure and exponentially increases the amount that vaporizes

[moeburn]

Butane lighters burn at LEAST 1000*F, and the good ones with blue flames burn upwards of 2500*F.

Hot enough to melt aluminum.

[WishIcouldStillsmoke]

ok the fact that people cook stuff in there oven at only 350 degrees F is a good point......but there are people like me when BBQing throw aluminum foil over the grill to cook for at least 30 minutes........0.o

[moeburn]

Kurt Cobain, of all people, demanded to own the safest car on the market at the time he was a father.

Thats what I compare to you people, afraid to use aluminum foil.

[Blazed and Confused]

Thats what I compare to you people, afraid to use aluminum foil.

A dead rock star?

[moeburn]

A dead rock star?

a dude shooting up heroin is to a safe car as
a guy smoking pot is to a safe bowl

[wadejason]

a very intertesting read, thats news to me. ive used it a few times and it didnt seem like it would hurt, it wasnt to smooth but whatever. i hope no one has to smoke out of foil though, i wish everyone could atleast a little glass spoon or something.

i agree, this needs more research and you shouldnt believe everything you read. needs more evidense i think, it was posted very casual looking, not like an official report so i dont know...what your self.

[intrepidus6]

Go ahead and stick to your microwave burritos and aluminum pipes.

NO, NO, NO, NO, NO, NO!!!!!!!
Microwaves are very bad!
I would smoke from aluminum before I would eat from a microwave.

[hash in hand]

NO, NO, NO, NO, NO, NO!!!!!!!
Microwaves are very bad!
I would smoke from aluminum before I would eat from a microwave.

why are microwaves bad? you afraid the government uses them to control your brain?

i use tin foil (AL) regularly when im out of gauzes....(which are either steel or bronze, proving neither of them are dangerous to health as that would be illegal to produce)....the maxtemp of your lighter doesnt matter as you dont have it on for that long (longer than 30s and the plastic will start to melt)
but regular butane lighter (eg. bic, clippers, crickets etc) do not have flame temps above 1000dF or even near that.....as you cant vaporise water by put the flame next to it for a second(true it slowly does but thats because i think that the actual temp is nearer 200dC (about 333dF)) even if AL gives you altzheimers....fags give you cancer...weed can lead to schizo psycosis etc..
we're all gona die, so who cares what happens in the mean time as long as we're having fun

[cyberwitch]

Let me put your mind at ease, You can not contract alzheimer's disease by using or burning aluminum foil.

Not to go into to much detail, but alzeimers can be contracted in part, and on very rare occations by cooking certain foods ie tomatos, and some but not all, acidic foods with certain older types of aluminum pans. This has to do with the chemical and molicular reaction between the two. Also note its not all acidic foods just some of them, and not all aluminum pans, & its not the only way to contract Alzeimers either.

Using foil in your bowl, (which I have used myself when i've run out of stainless steel or brass mesh), is safe. Aluminum foil and aluminum pans are different anyway both cemical and molicular and its 100% safe to cook all food types using Aluminum foil.

One would however heat the foil a little first to burn off the harmless residue coating thats on the surface of the foil, which is produced in the making of the foil. I also heat all my mesh a little before use, this is so it will burn off any residue on the mesh, as the residue just marrs the taste of the green.

Its just another urban myth, along with "you can not get cancer by smoking grass only", sorry folks but you can.

Anyway I think we can safely come to the conclusion that aluminum foil is a close 3rd choice as what to put in your bowl, but what would be your 1st choice, (brass or stainless steel) and why?

[intrepidus6]

why are microwaves bad? you afraid the government uses them to control your brain?


Does nukeing your food really sound like a good idea?

[intrepidus6]

You probably get more aluminum from your drinking water and kitchen utensils than you would ever get from an aluminum bowl. If you're really that worried about light metals, you should probably invest in a water purifier.

Besides, with the shit going on right now in my life, I'd rather have alzheimer's disease when i'm 60 so i don't remember it. I'll probably be toking more often when i'm a senior than i do now, anyway.

I do drink purified water, thank you.
And, no, you don't want alzheimer's disease, (caused by aluminum or not) no matter how old you are, trust me.

[whatsurgenre]

Does nukeing your food really sound like a good idea?

Well I took a college course on packaging where we talked about microwaveable products.
It's not as harmful as you think.
infact, they're coming out with new microwaveable foods that are actually healthier than normal "stove cooked" foods.

yea... surprised me too.

[cained]

hold a flame under aluminium foil... see that smoke that comes off it.. what would that be? aluminium oxide? well whatever it is i dont think its gonna give you any health benifits, personally i just smoke spliffs
and if you smoked the orange bud X haze i get a spliff is strong enough :)

[intrepidus6]

Well I took a college course on packaging where we talked about microwaveable products.
It's not as harmful as you think.
infact, they're coming out with new microwaveable foods that are actually healthier than normal "stove cooked" foods.

yea... surprised me too.

Nukeing something dostroys the melecular compond. It destroys all nutrinal value in your food, and when you eat it it is still nukeing, which makes little bits of you get nuked, and don't think the nukeing stays inside the microwave, anyone in your house is going to get nuked a little bit too.

[shoi]

Nukeing something dostroys the melecular compond. It destroys all nutrinal value in your food, and when you eat it it is still nukeing, which makes little bits of you get nuked, and don't think the nukeing stays inside the microwave, anyone in your house is going to get nuked a little bit too.

ur getting nucked 24/7 and u cant stop it unless u go live miles underground in a lead bunker

[intrepidus6]

ur getting nucked 24/7 and u cant stop it unless u go live miles underground in a lead bunker

That's cute.

[stinkyattic]

Does nukeing your food really sound like a good idea?

OMG please.
You're trying to say that the action that a microwave has on the water molecules in food is nuclear fission?
You have GOT to be kidding.
If that were the case, I'd hook my microwave up to a steam turbine, then to the power grid, and register as a generation facility!
A microwave works by increasing the kinetic activity of water molecules, which in turn causes them to heat up, and your food gets hot.
No atoms are being split and rejoined.
Please.
I still don't like to microwave foods in anything other than glass or ceramic, because of the dangers of plasticizing compounds being released into your food.

Intrepidus, I really hope you are joking.
Microwaving something does NOT destroy the molecular compound all by itself.
The vitamins and enzymes that are vulnerable are the ones that are destroyed by HEAT, heat from any source.
And when you take something out of the microwave, it is not 'still getting nuked' (not that it ever was to begin with), it's still boiling because of the heat capacity of water to stay at that temperature after the heat source has been removed.

Reading that is like listening to someone saying, 'I don't understand how this works, therefore I fear it, and you should too'.

[intrepidus6]

All I am saying is anything that does shit on the melecular level like that has the potential to cause harm. And microwaves are harmfull.

[moeburn]

hold a flame under aluminium foil... see that smoke that comes off it.. what would that be? aluminium oxide? well whatever it is i dont think its gonna give you any health benifits, personally i just smoke spliffs
and if you smoked the orange bud X haze i get a spliff is strong enough :)

The smoke is frome your lighter, the grease on your hands, and the dust on the foil, you dumbass. It's called incomplete combustion.

[stinkyattic]

All I am saying is anything that does shit on the melecular level like that has the potential to cause harm. And microwaves are harmfull.

But it doesn't- it just adds kinetic energy. Putting something on a hot stove adds kinetic energy too.
Do you eat barbecue? Cooking food unprotected over an open flame is more harmful because the process of combustion actually DOES change molecules.
Oh wait, you smoke.... changing molecules by combustion....uh oh, WE'RE ALL GOING TO DIE!!!!!! AAAAAAAH!

[intrepidus6]

Microwaves use unnatrual means to do this, fire is natural.

[moeburn]

Microwaves use unnatrual means to do this, fire is natural.

Aside from lightning starting a forest fire, how is fire natural? I'm pretty sure humans invented it.

[stinkyattic]

Microwaves use unnatrual means to do this, fire is natural.

I think you are missing the point.

Radio waves (do you use a cell phone? ha ha you're killing yourself, by your own logic) may be an 'unnatural' way to heat food, but there is no change in the basic chemical makeup of that food that can be attributed to those radio waves.

Heat from any source can cause those changes, for example the whitening of eggs when cooked, of the process of baking bread.
Fire on the other hand is an oxidation reaction, and charring your food is oxidizing it and changing the molecular structure.

be AFRAID!!!! be VERY AFRAID!!!!

If I were you, I would eat nothing but raw fruits, acorns, and vegetables that were grown organically.

Oh shit, I forgot.... did you know that PCBs can be detected in the tissues of humans all over the world, even in so-called 'primitive' cultures where they live hundreds of miles from 'civilization' and subsist on nuts and berries?

I guess we should all just kill ourselves now and get it over with, because the alternative is living in FEAR!!!!

[stothelutz]

Wow heat is just one of the many variables that has to be taken into acount. Take for instance what if there is some aluminum dust on the foil and you breath that in. Or what if you get the ghetto brand of aluminum and its made in a 3rd world country where standards are losely instrected making the tin foil less aluminum. To many contradicting tests have been done. Why use aluminum when you can buy a pack of rolling papers for $1 or buy a bowl for $10.

[intrepidus6]

I refuse to continue this conversation with such close minded indaviduals.
Oh, and you don't seem very smart either: "Aside from lightning starting a forest fire, how is fire natural? I'm pretty sure humans invented it." How the hell could you invent something that occurs naturally? That's like saying "I invented palm trees" No, you didn't invent them, you DISCOVERED them.

Humans DISCOVERED fire, you can't invent it.

Vocabulary builder:

Invent:
in‧vent  /ɪnˈvɛnt/
–verb (used with object)
1. to originate or create as a product of one's own ingenuity, experimentation, or contrivance: to invent the telegraph.
2. to produce or create with the imagination: to invent a story.
3. to make up or fabricate (something fictitious or false): to invent excuses.
4. Archaic. to come upon; find.

Discover:
dis‧cov‧er  /dɪˈskʌvər/
–verb (used with object)
1. to see, get knowledge of, learn of, find, or find out; gain sight or knowledge of (something previously unseen or unknown): to discover America; to discover electricity.
2. to notice or realize: I discovered I didn't have my credit card with me when I went to pay my bill.
3. Archaic. to make known; reveal; disclose.

[moeburn]

I refuse to continue this conversation with such close minded indaviduals.
Oh, and you don't seem very smart either: "Aside from lightning starting a forest fire, how is fire natural? I'm pretty sure humans invented it." How the hell could you invent something that occurs naturally? That's like saying "I invented palm trees" No, you didn't invent them, you DISCOVERED them.

Humans DISCOVERED fire, you can't invent it.


Microwaves occur naturally too. As a matter of fact, you're getting x-rayed right now.

Btw, if you don't wanna talk to close minded individuals, you shouldn't post on a pot forum :rasta:

[Wintersweet]

I've always ( well, not always, but for years now) heard about the aluminum foil/alzheimer's thing, but it's never really been a big deal to me.
But do remember people, you're probably smoking dangerous chemicals when you start using the non-stick stuff. I mean, if teflon or other non-stick coatings get scratched off your pan, it's supposed to be dangerous because you could ingest it. Imagine what smoking it would do.

[mcweedy]

Why don't you just grind up some foil and roll it up with your bud. Mmmm mm, now that's what i call a delicous smoke!

[mcweedy]

Why don't you just grind of some foil and roll it up with your bud. Mmmm mmm, now that's what i call a delicous smoke:stoned:

[stinkyattic]

Why don't you just grind of some foil and roll it up with your bud. Mmmm mmm, now that's what i call a delicous smoke:stoned:

Hey, good idea! And microwave it before you smoke it! :D

[mcweedy]

Originally Posted by moeburn
Btw, if you don't wanna talk to close minded individuals, you shouldn't post on a pot forum [





Fuckin Halarious!!!!

[fckid]

alumunium does cause alzheimers.everytime i drink beer from cans. i cant remember what i did the night before. and i did invent fire one day in the woods by rubbing two sticks together and bam . a product of my own ingenuity. hmmm maybe an intro first?

[MrFuzzles]

It isnt the melting point of aluminum foil you have to worry bout, it the oxidizing temp... i think aluminum oxide is a toxic chem

[stinkyattic]

It isnt the melting point of aluminum foil you have to worry bout, it the oxidizing temp... i think aluminum oxide is a toxic chem

THANK YOU!!!!! We have a winner.

[THE BONG MASTER]

ha ha

[harris7]

And aluminum oxidizes readily at room temperature and creates an aluminum oxide layer that protects the other aluminum from being oxidized.


But it doesn't- it just adds kinetic energy. Putting something on a hot stove adds kinetic energy too.
Do you eat barbecue? Cooking food unprotected over an open flame is more harmful because the process of combustion actually DOES change molecules.
Oh wait, you smoke.... changing molecules by combustion....uh oh, WE'RE ALL GOING TO DIE!!!!!! AAAAAAAH!

Stinky I have to disagree with you. I believe that microwaves destroy more nutritional value than any other cooking method. They all destroy some but microwaves are the worst.

It is because the high energy waves, as you know, vibrate the water molecules in food. These same waves can oxidize an electron off a molecule creating a free radical which can react with many other things like antioxidants such as vit C. I believe the waves can rip off OH2 groups off of bigger molecules too.

[stinkyattic]

It is because the high energy waves, as you know, vibrate the water molecules in food. These same waves can oxidize an electron off a molecule creating a free radical which can react with many other things like antioxidants such as vit C. I believe the waves can rip off OH2 groups off of bigger molecules too.


The main reason I kind of avoid microwaves is that there's enough energy to free plasticizers like phenates from the plastic containers that are inert at room temperature. So if I have to use them, I put the food in glass or ceramic first...
Yeah, the free radical itself sort of makes vitamin C moot. They join, the vitamin loses its antioxidant activity.

[harris7]

so we agree.

yea plastic is bad in the microwave. and this stupid mini newspaper in vancouver called 24 just ran a frickin article about how it's ok to put "microwave safe" plastic in and using plastic wrap too!

there have been studies done that show that dioxins and other stuff leach into the food and in the case of plastic wrap over food it acutely drips into it!

[harris7]

back to the topic.

a study was done showing that cannabis activly prevents alzheimer's disease!!!!

it competively inhibits some improtant enzyme. I've seen the study

so if the aluminum does--- the pot might stop it

[five0addict]

"Aluminum, at temperatures below melting point, does not give off gas or vapor."
you cant melt aluminum with a lighter
and as far as i know there still isnt a known cause or any preventitive measures you can take for alzhiemers.

as my favorite zany mythbusters say..
"busted"

[stinkyattic]

"Aluminum, at temperatures below melting point, does not give off gas or vapor."
"
Well yes but that's in an inert environment...

Hey Harris... if Al could CAUSE Alzheimers, and cannabis PREVENTS it...
Let's just imagine that they cancel each other out, and go back to smoking out of whatever we feel like?

:D

[harris7]

and as far as i know there still isnt a known cause or any preventitive measures you can take for alzhiemers.


no so true.

Caffeine prevents AD (alzheimer's disease) in rats a study released NOV 4th.
i personally read the study about an hour ago actually.

Another study on cannabis, shows that THC completely inhibits this molecule involved in causing AD.
The inhibition of this molecule is how other preventative drugs for AD work.

Heres a quote:

â??Compared to currently approved drugs prescribed for the treatment of Alzheimerâ??s disease, THC is a considerably superior inhibitor of AB(beta) aggregation.â?�



This isnâ??t 100% proof though. More studies needed. But it looks good

[ckoutlaw]

incomplete combustion produces less carbon dioxide and more carbon ("black residue") and carbon monoxide. carbon monoxide is a poison because it replaces the oxygen in your blood. neither carbon or carbon monoxide are acidic and hence do not corrode the aluminium. and your saliva is not acidic (your stomach ACIDS are but not saliva), instead it contains enzymes which start to breakdown any starchy foods you eat.

i always use AL if i'm out of gauzes......plus people use it in the oven with FOOD and thats heated to the same (if not most likely higher) temps than a lighter and for longer time periods. so shove that in your pipe and fuck off

...your saliva is either acidic or basic. it is not neutral. your oven does not get as hot as a lighter...there is no flame in ur fuckin oven. you only use it at 450 at most. usually around 350. lighters have flame. so shove my dick in ur mom and cum, bitch! i am high as fuck. vaporizers pwn ir pipe.

[moeburn]

I think we've already figured out that aluminum does not cause alzheimer's.

Can this thread be locked so we can move on now?

[harris7]

man if we proved that, why not instead of having studies. They can pay abunch of high people to argue about stuff.

[partyguy420]

All I am saying is anything that does shit on the melecular level like that has the potential to cause harm. And microwaves are harmfull.

actualy... microwaves, just make certian molocues bounce up and down and all around, creating friction... heating the food...

[harris7]

you clearly have no idea what you are talking about. Please take the time and read the last 10 posts and find out why your wrong.

with love

[Stoner Shadow Wolf]

"Scientist can not remember if Alzheimerâ??s Disease causes higher concentrations of aluminum, or if it is caused by high concentrations of aluminum."


:stoned: :stoned:

I think more studies need to be done :)

Interesting read though

"scientists cant remember" god that's hilarious.

[robert42]

i think its easier to avoid foil full stop.

theres to much of a risk plus a pipe or bong is much better

even if its a 5% risk it aint worth gettin high when u can just roll a joint

:)

[misspotn]

I think that using plastic would be worse for you. Plastic melts. Baaad times. The aluminum would have to vaporize to get into your body, which it wouldn't with just a normal lighter. In my neurophysiology class, aluminum was never mentioned as any risk factor to Alzheimer's. We extensively covered the disease. The disease is just neurofibrillary tangles caused by some protein defect...too lazy to think much more about it right now.

[JackdaWack]

actualy... microwaves, just make certian molocues bounce up and down and all around, creating friction... heating the food...

why dont u really find out what a microwave really does before u make a unintelligent comment like that. If they can kill some one with a pacemaker there in my book as soemthing dangerous, just cuase u use it everyday doesnt make it anysafer. Push that litte button in with your finger and stick your head in there and see what happens. A microwave speeds up water molocules, and friction is not the heating agent.

smoking foil doesnt seem like the best idea, i wouldnt do it often if ever. I have when i was younger and knew no better, but in reallity u can find better things to smoke out of. Just the fact of the metal taste it leaves in your mouth is enough to tell you that u are indeed smoking some of that foil. Wether or not it is bad for u, i dont know.

[notransfer]

i used to use it constantly in homemade things
reading the grasscity post makes me feel a little bit better about my past...

[JackdaWack]

Also, if your using a hukah or something where the smoke is purified through water, it might clean out any foil byproducts.

[harris7]

thank you, some intelligent thought


Also, if your using a hukah or something where the smoke is purified through water, it might clean out any foil byproducts.

Thank you, Iâ??ve really appreciated your last two posts.
None of us know if it is bad for us. And yes, maybe passing the gas through water may remove the byproducts. But in reality none of us know, or could know.
I believe we should trust the science. Which to Date isnâ??t conclusive.

All Iâ??ve said on this thread is to correct peoples misconceptions about chemistry, but never to answer.

Since its hard for them to figure it out, I guess the effect cant be that strong if it is there.
So lets not loose sleep over it
I donâ??t believe doint anything once and a while will hurt you (significantly)

Well, on second thought, maybe shooting yourself