Why God?

[MWT15.06.91]

Why did man create the image of God? Why do some of us believe that a invisiable person controls all that happen to you on a daily basis. Why do we need to believe that someone made the universe because we are too lazy to search for a more accurate answer? It really confuses me why we question ourselves so much, but I guess that is the enjoyment of life itself, huh? Now I'm really into philosophy but I just can't get around the whole God thing.

[Cas]

it's part of our nature. every civilization, tribe, race, religion, etc. on earth has believed in a higher power. Perhaps if we are visited by aliens someday or fine other intelligence out there we can confirm that creatures of intelligence comprehend the a supreme being.

[sanguinekane]

Why did man create the image of God? Why do some of us believe that a invisiable person controls all that happen to you on a daily basis. Why do we need to believe that someone made the universe because we are too lazy to search for a more accurate answer? It really confuses me why we question ourselves so much, but I guess that is the enjoyment of life itself, huh? Now I'm really into philosophy but I just can't get around the whole God thing.

I think you'll find that many people who have faith in a higher being (or beings in my case) do not believe in absolutes like you listed. I know many religious people of differeing faiths who believe in the big bang, evolution, and scientific pursuit, and so do I. Science and religion are not concepts that have to be kept seperate from each other, how ever much people from both sides of the spectrum want that to happen.

[afghooey]

What amazes me is that people actually believe this world was created from nothing. It actually baffles me. There's this flower that grows in South Africa that puts off the smell of cat urine to get rid of animals. Now my question is - when the plant was first "created", how the hell did it know what cat piss smelt like!?
That's just an example, but my point is that I fully believe this place had to be created by some higher power (i.e. God.)


I assume you mean the living world, since those who opt for science have their own theories about how the planet came into being, too. Or are you referring to how the universe came into being? In any case, I don't see why the lack of a deistic god would mean the universe had to come from nothing. Maybe it's always existed? Just because the universe is expanding doesn't necessarily mean it sprang out of nothing, right? It just suggests that the energy was contracted into a very small point, which then exploded, sending shrapnel in the form of matter flying in every direction... who's to say the universe isn't in an infinite cycle of expanding and contracting, breathing and living in and of itself? That's one thing that has always puzzled me about the big bang. Every explanation I've read mentions that the theory is supported by the direction that galaxies are moving and the existence of cosmic radiation, but never read anywhere why that's assumed to be the beginning of the universe. Hmmm...

Oh, and as for the plant thing you mentioned... why wouldn't natural selection be plausible in explaining that? The plant wouldn't have to know what cat piss smelled like. It would just have to genetically mutate into a strain that happened to smell a bit like piss.. causing animals to leave it alone, which in turn allowed it to live and reproduce more successfully. The smelly genetics were passed on, and as time went by the species bame more efficient at deterring animals. Of course, there are far more intricate examples that are harder to explain with natural selection alone. For that I like to think that there might be some kind of Jung... collective unconscious thing happening that leads to these more advanced mutations.. 'course I have nothing to back that up with, but personally I find something like that more logical than the universe being created by some outside deity.

[qrvotchfirve]

Aleister Crowley

A note on the chief rules of practical conduct to be observed by those who accept the Law of Thelema.

"Do what thou wilt shall be the whole of the Law." AL I:40

"There is no law beyond Do what thou wilt." AL III:60

"[...] thou hast no right but to do thy will. Do that, and no other shall say nay. For pure will, unassuaged of purpose, delivered from the lust of result, is every way perfect." AL I:42-44

"Love is the law, love under will." AL I:57

"Every man and every woman is a star." AL I:3




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[Euphoric]

apes and monkeys in general tend to have a monarch/king/leader. some say that God is that equivalent "king" of human society.

[Oneironaut]

What amazes me is that people actually believe this world was created from nothing.
What amazes me is that people who have such a problem with that, think the solution is to imagine a being that created everything and came from nothing!

As to why man invented the gods, it's not that hard to figure out, but you have to think like they did thousands of years ago. Back then, nobody knew what dreams were, or what the stars were, or what caused disease, or what made the weather, or why the seasons change. There was a lot of stuff they didn't know simply because they couldn't have known them without the help of science. But they weren't content to just say "I don't know" whenever their children would ask these things, so they made up explanations. The easiest explanation would be to say that some very powerful invisible man made things that way. Why did he make them that way? Who knows, the invisible man is so smart we can't possibly know how he thinks.

[mrdevious]

There are good arguments for each side.... I used to be an athiest, so I have thought of many different arguments over my life.

I guess the fact that I recently chose God means that the arguments for his side of the story made more sense to me :)

Each to his own.

I'm curious, what exactly made you abandon atheism and believe in god (again)?

[royalHIGHness]

the REAL question is......why did MAN create GOD?

[Hamlet]

"the REAL question is......why did MAN create GOD?"

Because we knew there was something bigger than ourselves that we couldn't understand.

[Gothen]

It doesn't have to do with being lazy, I don't think. It's because we're scared, and the universe is such a big place. Man needs a crutch, so to speak. Religion does that for us. It comforts us, allows us to believe that at the end of it all it will all be explained, that it will all be okay and that we can be happy for eternity, something we barely get to experience on earth.

Religion is about hope. In the end, isn't that all we really have is hope?

[Pass That Shit]

God is true. One day everyone will be convinced cause everyone will SEE him. For the meantime, I can't prove to you that he is true. It's about FAITH. For those who don't believe, I guess everything just landed on this earth by luck but it happens to be perfect and man has yet to figure it all out. Smoke a blunt and think about where you came from. Your daddy shot a load in your mommy and it formed you. Then your mommy let you suck on here titties. Is that an evolution thing? How did evolution leave us a man and a woman to multiply? I could go on and on but I'm not here to convince anyone cause I can't, but I know that what I believe is TRUE. NO DOUBT. PEACE

PRAISE THE LORD

[mrdevious]

God is true. One day everyone will be convinced cause everyone will SEE him. For the meantime, I can't prove to you that he is true. It's about FAITH. For those who don't believe, I guess everything just landed on this earth by luck but it happens to be perfect and man has yet to figure it all out. Smoke a blunt and think about where you came from. Your daddy shot a load in your mommy and it formed you. Then your mommy let you suck on here titties. Is that an evolution thing? How did evolution leave us a man and a woman to multiply? I could go on and on but I'm not here to convince anyone cause I can't, but I know that what I believe is TRUE. NO DOUBT. PEACE

PRAISE THE LORD

oh man, this is why so many people believe in faith over non-theism, because they don't understand the evolutionary process one bit. All I'm gonna say here is evolution, or any theories about our origins, don't depend on us being "lucky", or things happening by *POOF* "Accident!".

[likemclever]

What amazes me is that people who have such a problem with that, think the solution is to imagine a being that created everything and came from nothing!


God didn't come form nothing, God has always been, no beginning, no end :) .

[mrdevious]

God didn't come form nothing, God has always been, no beginning, no end :) .

Yet people don't allow the universe the same benefit of the doubt.

[afghooey]

Yet people don't allow the universe the same benefit of the doubt.

My thoughts exactly.

To me, the universe is god.

[likemclever]

Yet people don't allow the universe the same benefit of the doubt.

What people? Show them to me so I can wag my finger at them :D .

[MWT15.06.91]

As to why man invented the gods, it's not that hard to figure out, but you have to think like they did thousands of years ago. Back then, nobody knew what dreams were, or what the stars were, or what caused disease, or what made the weather, or why the seasons change. There was a lot of stuff they didn't know simply because they couldn't have known them without the help of science.
I guess now the only reason for us to still have religion despite the advance in science is because people are still being taught what is to be of "fact" while they are a toddler, huh? I'm still trying to make my mind deny God as a real being. Weed and reading lots of books on philosophy help, IMO.

[rabbitslayer]

Most people have a deepseated need to justify their existence.

Why am I here? What is the purpose of life?

God makes them feel special about it. I'm here because a magical man in the sky wants me to be here. Most people are happier believing in God than they would be if they were ever convinced that he wasn't there. Even if God is a fabrication of the human mind, he fills his purpose. His purpose is to give people hope, to make them accept their lot in life and run with it. Maybe he makes them not commit crime because he's always lookin over their shoulder. Maybe he makes them live a good life so they don't go to hell.

At some basic level, I think most people progress from the belief that there _should be_ a God to the belief in any specific man-in-the-sky. I think that's telling.

[MegaOctane12]

Religion keeps the poor from murdering the rich. We're in the age of LIGHT now, the dawn of a new century, false hierachys, suffering, poverty, religion, will all be erradicated in the comming centurys, and good ridance, all mankind has to show for the last two thousand agonising years of suffering and war is the Church, and marriage, besides that its all hearsay, and what your personal faith or belief is, is what you see to be true, even if in actuality it isn't, that's what makes faith such a dangerous tool, on the other hand it can inspire and be totally selfless, but it is too easily corrupted. Times we're now in are just setbacks, religion will keep rearing its ugly heard until it is destroyed, and although I personally believe that religion does have a place in a harmonious future, it needs to have its power lines crushed and totally erradicated for it too have a place where Science and Technology take the forefront. I would choose logic over faith any day of the week, but that's just me, and for humanity too prosper, the wakkos also need to be considerated.



''This Golden Age is destined to synthesize all religious regimes and free the minds of ignorance and delusion forever. Once enlightened, each human being will begin his or her individual journey within, and strive to become the new race of super conscious humans awakening seekers of Truth and the eternal Spirit, healing peoples of many tongues and nations in the process. In this new millennium there will be no more falsehoods or derision, but spiritual living and third-eye vision. The Human Family is truly entering the Age of mystic revelations and the mind's true liberation which is broadly known as spiritualism or New Millennium Religion.''

[.undefined]

oh man, this is why so many people believe in faith over non-theism, because they don't understand the evolutionary process one bit. All I'm gonna say here is evolution, or any theories about our origins, don't depend on us being "lucky", or things happening by *POOF* "Accident!".
Thank God someone understands (pun intended). Evolution is a process which takes time. A new species of bird with a beak specifically designed to peck holes in the trunks of trees in order to find food doesn't just pop up from no where. It's a process through which useful and ultimately necessary traits are expressed more often over trivial traits. This occurs naturally by necessity.

[miraz]

People create/believe in god/s because they can explain the unexplainable