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meek mike

10-23-2004, 08:11 PM

My name is michael and I am a THC-MINISTER. I use cannabis to reach those who the church has not tried to reach. Pot heads. I am a very active minister reaching out in area's of the internet, movies, church's, family, friends, and strangers. Most of my friends smoke cannabis and a lot of my friends are not followers of Christ yet. I say "yet" because most have made progress with accepting the truth. As I understand it you were looking for scripture proof. These verses I put in order that relate to me a Minister of Jesus Christ using cannabis:

1) GOD GAVE IT TO US

Genesis 1:29

Then God said, "I give you every seed-bearing plant on the face of the whole earth and every tree that has fruit with seed in it. They will be yours for food.

Cannabis can and is eaten everyday, but the world has taught that it's bad even called it Devils weed.

Matthew 15:13

He replied, "Every plant that my heavenly Father has not planted will be pulled up by the roots.

God made Cannabis if it was Devils weed then it wouldn't exsist. Look at what people want you to think about a creation from God. Devils weed that really makes me mad when I hear people call it that.

Romans 14:16

Do not allow what you consider good to be spoken of as evil.

God called it good so we all should stand against the people that call cannabis bad, evil, etc.

2) IT ISN'T UNCLEAN

Matthew 15:17-18

"Don't you see that whatever enters the mouth goes into the stomach and then out of the body? But the things that come out of the mouth come from the heart, and these make a man 'unclean.'

The same can be said about smoke. It enters the lungs stays for how ever long you hold your breath then it comes right out. Usally following is a cough but that's just because you held it in to long or you got some really good stuff.

Acts 10:14-15

"Surely not, Lord!" Peter replied. "I have never eaten anything impure or unclean." The voice spoke to him a second time, "Do not call anything impure that God has made clean."

Peter thought that certain animals were unclean because that is what he was taught. But God called cannabis good and it doesn't stay in the body so it is clean.

3) THE BODY DIES

1 Corinthians 15:50

I declare to you, brothers, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God, nor does the perishable inherit the imperishable.

We live in a vessel or a seed how every you view your body. Once it dies the body is put in the ground and like a seed we take our true form.

Romans 12:1

Therefore, I urge you, brothers, in view of God's mercy, to offer your bodies as living sacrifices, holy and pleasing to God--this is your spiritual act of worship.

I use cannabis in a religious way. I minister to people that smoke cannabis. Anyone can walk up to a cannabis smoker and say "hey can I get a hit." I have never been told no, so we can use that chance to talk to people about God and Cannabis. By trying to give then two free gifts, one) THC-Ministry info. two) eternal life through Jesus Christ. We are doing a spiritual act of worship.

1 Corinthians 6:19

Do you not know that your body is a temple of the Holy Spirit, who is in you, whom you have received from God? You are not your own;

We Christians are not our own. We were bought by the saving grace of Jesus Christ and the sacrifice he paid for our sins past, present, and future. All one has to do is have faith that Jesus is who he said he is and love everyone. Very simple, but of course very hard at the same time. We are to use the things he gives us like cannabis and use it for the better good. Either helping out someone with MS or any other illness or by talking to the cannabis user and showing him/her that it's ok and the guilt that the world has put on them for useing it is whats wrong. Of course you'd say that everything in moderation (don't abuse) it or it could be taken away by your conscience showing you that your abusing it.

4) WHAT DO YOU PREACH

Philippians 1:18

But what does it matter? The important thing is that in every way, whether from false motives or true, Christ is preached. And because of this I rejoice.

Some preachers in the churchs have false motives but like the verse says at least the word is being taught. The same can be said about a Christian THC-MINISTER we have motives to correct what needs to be corrected but we are always to preach about Salvation through Jesus Christ doing so the Christian world should leave us alone but of course they don't so we cannabis ministers have to make up long documents like this one.

Acts 5:39

But if it is from God, you will not be able to stop these men; you will only find yourselves fighting against God."

Since I believe we are from God this Ministry we will not be stopped. Thats a fact. I've been on five different Christian web sites and have had five same conclusions no one can stop the christian THC-MINISTRY because we speak the truth straight out of the Bible. Attitudes will be changed and the time is now to change them.

1 John 2:27

As for you, the anointing you received from him remains in you, and you do not need anyone to teach you. But as his anointing teaches you about all things and as that anointing is real, not counterfeit--just as it has taught you, remain in him.

What was in the annointing oil? Thats right CANNABIS. Anyways Christ is our teacher. Abide in him and he will give you all the answers just as he has given me all the scriptures and the way to use them. Faith in Jesus because he can do anything.

5) I'M THE SAME PERSON

1 Corinthians 7:17

Nevertheless, each one should retain the place in life that the Lord assigned to him and to which God has called him. This is the rule I lay down in all the churches.

I was a Christian when I started to smoke cannabis. I was called to the cannabis mission field because that is where God has called me to work in. People go to church and here a sermon, they want to change there whole life but thats not what we should be doing. We have a chance to witness to those not in the church so do the people that want to change and give up everything they use but they don't see that. They think they have to get involved in a church to make a difference.

Luke 15:7

I tell you that in the same way there will be more rejoicing in heaven over one sinner who repents than over ninety-nine righteous persons who do not need to repent.

In the church most are saved or in a non growing life style the pastors should help them grow but in most cases they don't. We have a chance to make a party in heaven by witnessing to people we come in contact with. Cannabis and Tattoo's are two of the easiest way to start a conversation about God/Jesus and that persons beliefs. Both are mostly condemned for have one or useing one. The Christian world needs to wake up and use the tools that are around them.

6) TOOLS

Genesis 3:18

It will produce thorns and weeds for you, and you will eat the plants of the field.

It doesn't say what to do with the thorns and weeds. Some in the past have used thorns for sowing needles, weapons, etc so the weeds can be use as a tool as well. Rope, paper, clothing, ministry tool, etc. What better tool to use give life through Jesus Christ, Give info on legal use through religion, and get stoned. Three birds one stoner.

7) MAN MADE RULES

Colossians 2:20-23

Since you died with Christ to the basic principles of this world, why, as though you still belonged to it, do you submit to its rules: "Do not handle! Do not taste! Do not touch!"? These are all destined to perish with use, because they are based on human commands and teachings. Such regulations indeed have an appearance of wisdom, with their self-imposed worship, their false humility and their harsh treatment of the body, but they lack any value in restraining sensual indulgence.

If we are alive through Jesus Christ those rules about not useing cannabis do not apply because they are man made. Using cannabis or not using cannabis doesn't stop the evil thought that pop up in your head. So when some one says you shouldn't, ask why? When they say it gives you bad thought like what REEFER MADNESS said about cannabis users tell them how do you know you don't have any faith to try something God made.

Matthew 15:3

Jesus replied, "And why do you break the command of God for the sake of your tradition?

By judging people that use cannabis they are making themselfs the judge and we are not to do that. They want to follow there traditions even if they are out of date.

8) THANKFULNESS

1 Timothy 4:4-5

For everything God created is good, and nothing is to be rejected if it is received with thanksgiving, because it is consecrated by the word of God and prayer.

Not only is cannabis ok because God made it clean and called it good it's ok because most everyone that uses it is thankful for it. So what the church is teaching about cannabis and it's use is wrong.

Romans 14:6

He who regards one day as special, does so to the Lord. He who eats meat, eats to the Lord, for he gives thanks to God; and he who abstains, does so to the Lord and gives thanks to God.

We are thankful to God for making cannabis. We use it for religious purposes. Other don't use it for the same reason. Tell the person that is abstaining from cannabis good job for doing that for the Lord but let them know you are doing the opposite for the same reason.

9) MY OWN ACTIONS

Galatians 6:4

Each one should test his own actions. Then he can take pride in himself, without comparing himself to somebody else,

Simple enough, look over your life see what your doing and ask God if it's ok. If your doing what God wants you to do be happy and don't let others bring you down because of there own convictions. Most people that don't use cannabis think there better then the user but they are blind and not honest with themselves because they have to attack others to make themselves feel better.

Romans 14:4

Who are you to judge someone else's servant? To his own master he stands or falls. And he will stand, for the Lord is able to make him stand.

If you are a Chrsitian who is our master? We are servants to God. He has given us everything we need to do the work he has planned for us so if someone confronts you about cannabis tell them your a Christian and they shouldn't be judging you because they are not your master Jesus Christ is.

1 Corinthians 2:11

The Spirit searches all things, even the deep things of God. For who among men knows the thoughts of a man except the man's spirit within him? In the same way no one knows the thoughts of God except the Spirit of God.

People keep telling me that I can't be worshiping God when I smoke so I show them this verse. Then I let them know the my thought about them and ask did you know I felt that way. When they say no, I say but you can tell what I think when I smoke. I also tell them that if God put me in this field why are they trying to take me out of it. God has a plan for yours and my life once we know what it is take that leap of faith and get the job done.

10) THEIR OPINION

1 Corinthians 4:5

Therefore judge nothing before the appointed time; wait till the Lord comes. He will bring to light what is hidden in darkness and will expose the motives of men's hearts. At that time each will receive his praise from God.

Most people have their minds made up about cannabis. I show them this they still don't change there mind or attitude but at least they know the truth.

Colossians 2:16

Therefore do not let anyone judge you by what you eat or drink, or with regard to a religious festival, a New Moon celebration or a Sabbath day.

Again people judge cannabis users way to much. That is what I am trying to put a stop to.

John 8:10-11

Jesus straightened up and asked her, "Woman, where are they? Has no one condemned you?" "No one, sir," she said. "Then neither do I condemn you," Jesus declared. "Go now and leave your life of sin."

Jesus didn't condemn a lady caught in the act of sinful nature so if Jesus didn't even condemn someone for doing that why do people think they can condemn those who use cannabis which isn't even part of the sinful nature. It's because they were taught wrong. We have to show people they were taught wrong and the Bible shows the truth all one has to do is look through it.

11) MY PURPOSE

2 Timothy 3:16

All Scripture is God-breathed and is useful for teaching, rebuking, correcting and training in righteousness,

God made the Bible to help us not for it to be used against us. I use the Bible to correct those mislead. I ask that everyone go to a Bible believing web site and post these facts out of the Bible and see how screwed up people are when it comes to the cannabis topic. Most will talk all about it as if they were an expert but when you ask if they have ever tried it most will say no. They only preach what they have been taught so we need to correct there mislead minds.

Thank you for taking the time to read my long letter I hope this will help someone. God Bless you and the plant you use.

Rev. Michael T
Soldier for Christ and Cannabis

buddha

10-24-2004, 07:09 AM

How do you become a THC minister and how do you think it is relevent to god.Smoking marijuana has been proven to harm your body so that is without a doubt against what any god wants. Eating it is not harmful but does change your view of the world that god has given you that is considerd sacred. I smoke weed because its what i want to do i do what i want to do becuase this life is all i have if god is not offend why i smoke weed tell me how smoking is not wrong you gave me vague scriptures that could pertain to anything. Is smoking wrong to what you believe or not.

meek mike

10-24-2004, 03:32 PM

Originally posted by Buddha:How do you become a THC minister and how do you think it is relevent to god.

Any one can be a THC Minister and it relates to God in I am helping to spread his word. I talk with those that smoke cannabis about God. If I see someone smoking and I often do I walk up to them first introduce myself then ask to join them for a few puffs. After puffing a few times I say "I'm so glad God made this plant for us." In most cases they are suprised to here me talk about God because so many think or have been taught that God would not approve. I tell them that I have two FREE gifts one being you can smoke legal through my religion (Religion of Jesus Church) and for more documents to help with any case join the THC-Ministry. I then let them know of the forgiving of sins through Jesus Christ.

Originally posted by Buddha:Smoking marijuana has been proven to harm your body so that is without a doubt against what any god wants.

A lot of people think this way but they fail to think about how much worse it is to inhale the exhaust from the deisel a head of them in traffic or the VW bug that spits smoke right into your car as he passes you. Every thing is harmful to your body. Soda's are harmful to your body but no one talks about it. The jist of the matter is that the body dies. It is a vessel just as the seed to a cannabis plant is a vessel for the cannabis tree. We live in this world as a seed. Once we die as the seed does when it goes into the ground we get new spiritual bodys just as the cannabis seed gets a new body the tree. Also in number two I talk about how Jesus said it's not what goes into a mans mouth that makes him unclean but what comes out. How one talks that makes him unclean.

Originally posted by Buddha:Is smoking wrong to what you believe or not.
I do not see it as wrong, I do not see it as a sin, and I don't believe God does either. In my opinion I think God is more conserned about how you act towards others and the relationship or lack of relationship with him.

Thank you for asking those questions Buddha. I hope I have been helpful to you. If you have any more questions feel free to bring them up to me. I only work on the weekends but it's 40 hours in three days so I have a lot of time to chat. Talk to you later and God Bless.

Rev. Michael T
Soldier for Christ and Cannabis

Kid Dynamite

10-24-2004, 06:24 PM

It sounds like your taking the piss. What the fuck makes you think that just because we smoke weed we are non-religious barbarians? Do you expect me to go sprinting into the nearest church and prostate myself in front of the virgin mary after you tell me that "Jesus gives the Thumbs-Up to Ganja!"?

meek mike

10-24-2004, 06:45 PM

Originally posted by Kid Dynamite:It sounds like your taking the piss.I'm sorry Kid but I don't understand what this means.

Originally posted by Kid Dynamite:What the fuck makes you think that just because we smoke weed we are non-religious barbarians?Again I'm sorry that you got that impression but trutfully I don't know where you got that impression because I smoke weed too and personally I don't care to much if your religious or not. Those are your beliefs and I have my own.

Origianlly posted by Kid Dynamite:Do you expect me to go sprinting into the nearest church and prostate myself in front of the virgin mary after you tell me that "Jesus gives the Thumbs-Up to Ganja!"?I don't think you have to sprint or prostate yourself. I didn't even say you had to go to church. Where is this hostility coming from. Did I offend you? If so please explain how I did so I can correct my mistake and not offend anyone else.

Rev. Michael T
Soldier for Christ and Cannabis

Lulu

10-24-2004, 06:51 PM

No Mike you didn't offend anyone - well not me anyway... :)

Kid Dynamite - ask the man a question, if you have one
And try to keep it civil, because it sure looks like You are the one 'taking the piss' and basically just looking to start a row :rolleyes:

meek mike

10-24-2004, 07:00 PM

Thank you Lulu. I don't know why it happens but every where I go this kind of thing happens to me. I am the person stuck between the rock and a hard place. I get yelled at by Christians for smoking pot and I get yelled at by pot smokers because I'm a Christian. In my mission field sometimes I have to smoke or else I'd drive myself crazy with the idea that I am accepted by no one. Thank you for standing up for someone you have never meet or really talked to. May my God Bless your day and give you the best high of your life through his plant. Thanks again.

Rev. Michael T
Soldier for Christ and Cannabis

Imotep

10-25-2004, 12:22 AM

good one rev.
good to have all that scrpiture in one place. (like the bible hehehhahahhhoho)
i like to hit christnazis with their own book regarding weed.
the whole bibble is nuts and obviously a collage.
hehehahahoho bibble. rhymes with dribble.
no offence to those of the (hemp) cloth. :)

meek mike

10-25-2004, 01:15 AM

Question to you Imotep:

Why do you call (I'm assuming) Christians Christnazis. Did any Christians you know kill millions of jews? If not why must you clump all the bad apples in with the rest of the good apples. Metaphoricaly speaking. I dislike it when people talk like "Dude, whats up man, lets go smoke a joint man." Thinking all pot smokers are surfer guys and only talk with the word dude in front of everything. Do you dislike that rep? If so why do it to another group it's just as bad. I know that there are some crazy wacky Christian out there like the one's that protest against gay folks. But really do you have to clump all Christians together with people like that. You said no offence to the hemp cloths (dribble) but your statement Chrsitnazis offended me and there was no apolige. I'm the one that gave you your ammo against those crazy Christians. Who cares any ways right I'm just another Christnazi that just happens to smoke weed. May my Lord and Savior Bless you on this wonderful day Imotep. Some day I hope you will have a better example of what a real Christian is so that way your mind will not be so against those of my kind.

Rev. Michael T
Soldier for Christ and Cannabis

Imotep

10-25-2004, 04:40 AM

you need a thicker skin if yr gonna be a soldier meek mike lol.

no christians I personally knew killed a million jews, but there was a crusade wasnt there?

i was referring to the "crazy christians" as you call them.
im sure "crazy christians" would offend youre brother godfearers so get the fuck over it man.
i grew up in the church and man-
there is no excuse for music that bad...

meek mike

10-25-2004, 06:07 AM

My skin is think because I'm fat. The crusades have been over for years. The music is changing and I've been over it a few times man. lol. I'll toke one to calm down so I won't be so sensitive and next time I won't take you calling people Christnazi's personaly.

Rev. Michael T
Soldier for Christ and Cannabis

holotrope

10-25-2004, 08:27 AM

interesting post mike, but just as you have interpreted passages of the Bible to support cannbis use, people interpret passages to apply all sorts of crazy rules. If the Bible was the absolute truth, then why is there so much conflict about its meaning and message? why have the followers of Christ factioned themselves into hundreds of subgroups with plural interpretations of his teachings, and who do you think is right? My point is that many people have faith and it helps them, and helps them help others, and that's great. But to claim to be able to show someone the "truth" is nigh on blasphemy. The nature of man is that he can only discover the truth for himself, therefore dogmatic teaching of religion leads to badly supported/misconceived beliefs since the individual has not reached an understanding by himself. I think you should keep in mind that people may need to travel their own path to find the truth that is truly meaningful to them.
peace

Kid Dynamite

10-25-2004, 11:06 AM

When i say "taking the piss" i mean it sounds like your having a laugh.

Hang on, you say that you dont care if im religious or not. But you also say that you want to use weed to reach out to non religious people? You say i dont have to go to church, but the christian faith dictates that to be a real christian you have to display your faith in a place of worship. Why is christianity filled with so much contradiction?

Lulu - Im not trying to start a row, i just have my own opinion, and when im in a pissy bad mood it generally comes over a tad more angrily than intended. Its just so far in my life the christian faith hasnt come across very well to me...

Here is my question : What is your purpose? Why are you here? At the end of your first (mammoth) post you said you hoped that it would help somebody. Help them with what? I have read everything you have written, and my answer is probably in there somewhere, but maybe i missed some bits around point Number 9 when my eyes started to bleed.

I can almost see what your saying. But i think most of us here are happy with our spirituality, and if there not then i think its frankly unwise to take advice concerning your immortal soul from somebody you met over the internet.

Carry on posting and i will carry on reading. Thats all. Peace

Mrs PotatoHead

10-25-2004, 12:58 PM

Pateticus

10-25-2004, 06:27 PM

Pateticus here, fellow THC-Minister. Good to see us getting around.

Take care.

Pateticus

DylanN89

10-25-2004, 09:49 PM

Hello Meek Mike my name is Dylan. im 15. I want some advice on things and about pot. Let me begin :). Ok in June i got caught smoking pot. My parents where crushed. They made me go talk to a Police officer, And take a drug test to see if any more other drugs where in me but there wasnt anymore but pot. My dad i knnow use to smoke pot when he was a kid. Hes 43. I wonder if the heredity passed on to me? Now ive recently started smoking pot again. Basically because i see nothing wrong with it and it makes me feel good. I believe oin god just like you mike. I go to a Baptist Chruch and i like it. (by the way i havent got a drug test in awhile) But anywho if by any chance i was to get one and failed what should i say to my dad?Â¿ Because if i show him those versus and he porbally wont beileve me, hes a strong christian but he thinks canabis is only for medical use not recreational. And if i get caought again ill probally wont get a car and since im soooo close i would be really mad. He threanted that i would get a car if he get me again. I think its great there is a THC-minister. Another question, 1.) do u thin that pot will ever be LEGALIZED in the USA? Becuase i hear in Canada there about to legalize it. And it seems to me Canada has there stuff straight. Please info me back on all the stuff i asked. Sorry for the crappy spelling or bad spacing. ETC.

Your Friend
-Dylan

meek mike

10-26-2004, 01:55 AM

Holotrope-

To start off I really enjoyed your post. You yourself have told many truths in just a short paragraph. I agree that alot of church's some what promote some crazy rules. I think that's where the conflict comes in. Some church's disagree with some of the rules put up by other church's. It truly is said to see so many Christ followers divided because of a diffrent political labels. Personaly I think a lot of them have it right. Only because a lot of them follow Jesus Christ. In my belief system if you follow Christ's teachings your right. Again that is my belief system and as you know everyone has there own.

My point is that many people have faith and it helps them, and helps them help others, and that's great.

I love this statement. Faith is the key thing. Faith in general has helped so many people.

I didn't think through what I wrote before the long post. You see I have done many hours of study in the Bible and I made up a formula to show my father a pastor my belief system about cannabis. I had to show him that God is using my weakness to help spread his good news. I have posted the formula on other sights but I try to put a diffrent begining on each site. I was wrong for saying that they haven't accepted the truth. Thank you for pointing that out to me because that could have offended many people. I appoligize if I did offend anyone by it. What I should have wrote is "the truth to my understanding" I know Christ has helped me and my friends see that Christ has so they agree that I am telling them the truth to my understanding. Each person does have their own path just as being a person that talks Christ to people that might not know about him is my path.

I hope I have cleared up any confusion that I stupidly caused. I like to find out what others believe so may I ask what you believe. I try to learn from everything and everyone.

Rev. Michael T
Soldier for Christ and Cannabis

meek mike

10-26-2004, 02:09 AM

Kid Dynamite-

I don't like religions. I try to talk to people about Jesus Christ. I let people know of my religion so that way if they want to smoke legal they have a way. I understand that some christian churchs say that you have to have a place to worship but the Bible does not say that. It says that you can worship God any where because God is everywhere. Persoanlly I think the churchs have so much conflict is because over two thousand years people evolve diffrently as do religions. People get into power that twist things then its becomes a foundation. It sucks but the best thing to do is try to change it before any more things get twisted. To answer your question I am here to conversat with fellow pot smokers. Christians have banned me from there sites because I prove them wrong ever time about cannabis. They get made and kick me off. So I figured I'd give the pot smokers a try to see if my fellow peers would accept me or see if they would do as my peer Christians did. I posted the mammoth letter to help people that have had the same problem as me. Misunderstanding Christians that judge when they have their own flaws and weaknesses. I hope I didn't come off as a fanatic I'm just a pot smoking christian looking for a place to chat.

Rev. Michael T
Soldier for Christ and Cannabis

meek mike

10-26-2004, 02:40 AM

Dylan89-

Alright, you posted a lot of questions and I feel I shoud address some topics. I started to smoke pot at 15 and to be honest I wish I would have waited a few years. At first I just did it cause it was fun. Like you I see no wrong in it. But like I didn't want to upset my parents or worse get kick out of my house. What I suggest is to be honest with your parents. Since you feel and think that there is no wrong in using cannabis talk to your parents about it. Yes the crap will hit the fan at first but like all things it will smooth over. My parents don't like that I use cannabis but I had many conversations with them to show that I am sincere about my beliefs. They most likey will say while your under my roof you do as I say. Which is correct. Your 15 I know your smart because you want to address the issue rather then avoid it. If need be confess that you smoke pot but go through your beliefs and show that your sincere. Of course choose the right time to do it. It might not be the best time over dinner. Since your dad has smoked pot before I think he might be willing to listen. You might have to suggest a father son camp out or something like that but plan and address it as an adult. Cannabis is a hard thing for parents to deal with because they think your going to jump to other crazy drugs the bad ones like meth or crack. I only use natural drugs. Things God created. With no additives. Cannabis every day mushrooms maybe twice a year. I'd advise just sticking to cannabis because for some people like my friend mushrooms can be to spiritual. My friend said he saw angels and devils fighting over him as he was yacking in the toilet. Personaly never seen that but shrooms play many tricks on many people. Best thing to do summed up is be honest if your honest they have nothing on you. Keep up the faith, I'll be praying and God Bless. You'll make it.

Rev. Michael T
Soldier for Christ and Cannabis

meek mike

10-26-2004, 02:45 AM

Pateticus-

Glad to see a fellow THC member. How's things going in your part of the world. AZ is hot but starting to cool down. Meaning better gonja. I love christmas buds.

Rev. Michael T
Soldier for Christ and Cannabis

Imotep

10-26-2004, 04:05 AM

GHoSToKeR

10-26-2004, 04:43 AM

holotrope

10-26-2004, 08:44 AM

[QUOTE=meek mike
It truly is said to see so many Christ followers divided because of a diffrent political labels. Personaly I think a lot of them have it right. Only because a lot of them follow Jesus Christ. In my belief system if you follow Christ's teachings your right. Again that is my belief system and as you know everyone has there own.
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This still worries me, because this was my point- if all it takes to be right is to follow Christ, how can we reconcile the different interpretations of Christ's teachings? If people are following what they learn in sunday school it's surely a different affair than if they have a deeply moving spiritual understanding that gives them reason to follow Christ. This to me is the main issue. If people are moved to faith by their own understanding (of any religion/creed) then that is religion serving its true purpose. But if it just a matter of instruction and following rules that can be variously interpreted we're back to square one. We must always leave room for people to wuestion or the will not grow.

peace, thanks for actually engaging in discussion with me.

DylanN89

10-26-2004, 12:35 PM

How can u smoke legally threw ur ministry towards god?. I underdstand that god has put the nice plant on the earth but the USA wont legalize it. So i we get caught then where in trouble where do u smoke it at?

Kid Dynamite

10-26-2004, 03:42 PM

Yeah i dont understand that either. Maybe you say smoking throuigh christianity is morally legal, but that wont sytand up in court when you get charged with posession. Explain...

GHoSToKeR

10-26-2004, 08:29 PM

DylanN89

10-27-2004, 07:31 PM

well this sucks i proballywont be posting on here anymore :( i got caught agian today. Im getting to go with a ride with my dad to talk about it hes not mad but i still feel bad and that i know ive up setted him. Sorry meek but i dont know if ur scripture will work now. It seems like just yesterday i said i wouldnt get caught and now i did. FUCKING BULLSHIT!!!! man im pissed i gotta go best luck to all of u and smoke a J for me -Dylan

Kid Dynamite

10-27-2004, 07:35 PM

I will my freind...i will

Lulu

10-27-2004, 07:52 PM

The way I see it, in the Bible God said that you have to obey the law of the land as long as it doesn't conflict with God's will..

So, being a minister and smoking cannabis would be a contradiction, since the law of the land says cannabis is illegal
So where did it say in the bible that we shouldn't smoke cannabis?
Weren't we told,
"I give you every seed-bearing plant on the face of the whole earth and every tree that has fruit with seed in it." :confused:

GHoSToKeR

10-27-2004, 08:20 PM

So where did it say in the bible that we shouldn't smoke cannabis?
Weren't we told,
"I give you every seed-bearing plant on the face of the whole earth and every tree that has fruit with seed in it." :confused:

i thought it also said not to do anything that purposely harms your body etc etc?

anyway, to me the bible is just a big book of contradictions.. Lulu, i didnt mean to say youre doing anything wrong lol sorry if i offended you :)

Imotep

10-28-2004, 01:31 AM

sinse dunt have seeds. :(

Lulu

10-28-2004, 09:32 AM

i thought it also said not to do anything that purposely harms your body etc etc?

anyway, to me the bible is just a big book of contradictions.. Lulu, i didnt mean to say youre doing anything wrong lol sorry if i offended you :)
Ghost, I'm only chattin ~ you didn't offend me in the slightest :)

Imotep

10-28-2004, 12:03 PM

So if the law of the land changes to pants off after 12 midday, then according to the BIBLE we all have to do it?
The separation of church and state must begin!
hang on, but we can eat datura fritters deep fried in hemp seed oil with sauteed goose in a magic mushroom, peyote and white wine sauce, garnished with salvia leaves and a nutmeg snuff according to the bible as well.
where am i and w-

ok im out of this post lol.

Kid Dynamite

10-28-2004, 07:55 PM

Sauteed goose? This man has the right idea. Stop the Geese

GHoSToKeR

10-28-2004, 08:56 PM

Ghost, I'm only chattin ~ you didn't offend me in the slightest :)
wOOt

ok, so if I didn't offend you, i'll continue with what I was saying.. I just didn't because I didn't want to cause and arguement or make any (more) enemies :p

So, I was talking to my mum about this yesterday...

That quote you posted, Lola, I can't refute.. BUT, it also says in the bible (according to my mom) that you shouldn't do anything that purposely harms your body.. That's why smoking, drugs, suicide etc are all No Go's in the Church and considered sins

Now, it also says in the bible that you should abide by the law of the land unless that law is in direct contradiction of God's will (thats not the exact wording - I don't have a bible handy - but it's the jist of it).

Now if you're an avid follower of the bible, and you think that people should live their life according to the bible, without being able to choose and make their own decisions, then shouldn't be smoking weed..

Now, I don't agree with the bible.. I don't live my life by the bible and I never will.. BUT, I do think that if people don't follow the bible too strictly and embrace other ways of thinking and faiths, then the bible can be a good thing.. it advises (not orders) people to be kind, loving, caring, giving etc.. I think that's how everyone should live, but also be free to decide things for themselves..

In other words, if you take the bibles word as law then you shouldnt be smoking weed.. But if you don't take the bible literally, then there's nothing wrong with it

heartsurgerysurviver

10-29-2004, 12:49 AM

Hi mike
You can say that religious freedom allows you to smoke weed all you want, it is still against the law unfortunately. Here's a link to the case
http://workforcesecurity.doleta.gov/dmstree/uipl/uipl90/uipl_4290.htm

it basically says:
The supreme court ruled that a person's religious beliefs do not excuse them from compliance with other laws.
It this right ? no, but it is the way things are and to preach any thing else is a LIE!
peace
heart

meek mike

10-29-2004, 01:06 AM

Holotrope-

Another great post friend. I always love a good discussion. I've tried it on Christian web sites but all I've had is names thrown at me like false witness, satanic, etc. It seems as soon as I prove them wrong they either ban me, insult me, I even had one guy investigate me and call my work. They can be crazy when they get proven wrong. Now to get to your post. In my belief system I believe everyone has a connection to God. It's called our conscience, it tells us right or wrong. I believe if we are honest with our conscience that is following what God wants. Thats how we can reconcile if it is Christs teachings or not his teachings. If it goes against our conscience then I would believe it's not Christ's teachings. People grow at different paces. It took me 18 years to grow to the Christian that I am today. For 15 of those years I didn't grow because I thought all I needed was to show up for church and there are alot of people like that today in the churchs. If I go to a church and all I see are rules and all the pastor talks about it rules I think it's teaching wrong Christ's teachings. What I have learnt about Christ what he wanted was us to have faith that he is who he said he is and love everyone anything more then that I think it's bogas. Faith being the key thing to have. I agree that we have to leave room to question if we don't people will not grow. I didn't question for 15 years and when I did I found out that I was taught wrong. People that taught me gave me so many rules when I looked in the Bible it said I didn't have those rules so I finally grew. All one must do is look for the answer themselfs. I believe there are three things one must always look for but will never fully find those three things will make you grow by them selfs. Wisdom, Knowledge and Understanding. Jesus helps me with them day to day. I hope I answered the questions if I didn't just keep on posting at me.

Rev. Michael T
Soldier for Christ and Cannabis

meek mike

10-29-2004, 01:18 AM

Heart-

I'm glad to see that you have looked into what I was saying but I'm sorry but I will have to stand by what I said. In the lawsuit you have posted the case was in 1990 since then the THC Ministry has won over 40 cases and have only lost one. The reason they lost was because the people had a 7 year old and they kept the bong and tray on the kitchen table. Please look into the rest of the cases for help look here:

http://www.thc-ministry.org/marijuana-religion-legal-precedents.html

Please do look into it and get back at me.

Rev. Michael T
Soldier for Christ

meek mike

10-29-2004, 01:24 AM

Ghostoker-

Does your mother drink soda, or eat red meat, or eat candy all these things are bad for your body but because people don't understand cannabis they are free to say it hurts the body. What they don't know is how you smoke it can affect the diffrent levels of danger. If you smoke through a vaperizer there is no harm from cannabis. If you smoke through a bong there is praticaly no harm to the body. If you smoke a joint yes it is bad but cig's are very worse. What people don't realize is from day one our bodies are dying so everythig you eat and everything you drink and everything you smell is in a way killing the body because it's a foriegn substance.

Rev. Michael T
Soldier for Christ and Cannabis

heartsurgerysurviver

10-29-2004, 01:53 AM

Hi Mike
I did look at your site. i also did a search on a couple major search eng. for "religious use of marijuana". The last case the supreme court heard was that case i linked before. They can and will jail you, take every thing you own and ruin your life, in america for simple possion in some places. is it fair, hell no, I'd like to see some links to government pages of court cases won for religious use, if possible, now that'd convince me alllehhhhluuuuuyyaaaa
peace
heart

meek mike

10-29-2004, 02:39 AM

Your wish is my command but you'll have to do one thing and thats wait. Nov. 29th at 10:00 am the court case will start.

http://angeljustice.org/article.php?list=type&type=11

Scroll down to 'United States Supreme Court'. Click on the first mention under that, the Writ of Certiorari. Go to the bottom of page 24. We're the last footnote before the 'conclusion'.

Page 24 (bottom)

6 Likewise, the decision below has been cited by an individual
seeking to force the DEA to return 5 ounces of marijuana seized by
the DEA. Don Nordâ??s Response Opposing the Govâ??t Mot. to
Dismiss at 10, People of the State of Colorado v. Nord, No. 04-CR-
26 (D. Colo. filed Mar. 29, 2004). The court of appealsâ?? decision has
also been invoked by two churches seeking an injunction preventing
the United States from enforcing the CSA with respect to
their cannabis activities. Complaint (Count 6), Religion of Jesus
Church v. Ashcroft, CV 04-00200HG (D. Haw. filed Mar. 24, 2004).

I'll be praying that we win so that way you will be conviced. But on a state level the THC Ministry has won 40 cases out of 41.

Rev. Michael T
Soldier for Christ and Cannabis

heartsurgerysurviver

10-29-2004, 12:16 PM

Mike
I hope you win too. Asscroft and that whole group of drug/deas are jailing americans over their use of a plant, god's plant, while alcohol and tobaco companies go on killing people. go figure. best of luck to you. Some day , when you have some time, i'll tell you a true story about my visit with God, I died while being operated on, it is quite amazing.
peace
heart

koshea

10-29-2004, 09:45 PM

my question THC is how can one of your guifts be to smoke legaly, MJ is illegal, and as far as i know illegal is illegal under the classification of which pot is, meaning religion or not, its illegal

meek mike

10-30-2004, 01:00 AM

Koshea-

Freedom of Religion, Amendment number one. If in the religion it is manditory to smoke cannabis then by our Countries own Constitiution it gives us that right to partake and grow cannabis. Making it not illeagal.

Rev. Michael T
Soldier for Christ and Cannabis

meek mike

10-30-2004, 01:02 AM

Heart-

I'd love to hear that story any time.

Rev. Michael T
Soldier for Christ and Cannabis

koshea

10-30-2004, 04:09 AM

so basically if i were to become what you were id basically just be an every day christian which i am, with legal rights to walk around the street and blow a blunt? or if its illegal publicly, i could sit home or in my yard and legally smoke and if a cop saw me i could talk to him and smoke in front of him?

meek mike

10-30-2004, 04:20 AM

Koshea-

You can smoke legal but the laws mostly deal with it while your in or on your own private property. Smoking in front of a cop is pushing it unless he is at your locked screen door and you have all the paper work to show him. If you smoked in public then they could twist it around and say your in dangering others with the toxic cannabis smoke or some twist like that.

Rev. Michael T
Soldier for Christ and Cannabis

koshea

10-30-2004, 05:07 AM

im 16 as of now...i mostly agree with your pholosophys....stick around and one day maybe we can have a talk

heartsurgerysurviver

11-01-2004, 03:09 AM

Hi mike
First off, I commend you on your quest, may you have God's blessing.
Now for my story:
As my name implys, I had open heart surgery in August 1998. The drs had alot of trouble starting my heart back up after they rebuilt it and put it back inside me. It was at that time I was clinically dead. Upon awaking, 3 days later, I vividly remember what I believe occured to me while i was dead. I have no tangible proof, only the memory of what happened. I was flying through the clouds and came up upon an island. On the island were people, my father, relatives and friends all of whom have passed away. My flight stopped short of this island and a beautiful woman floated out towards me. She spoke and I heard her but her lips never moved. She told me she was God and it wasn't my time yet. I wanted to stay . It was the most loving, beautiful feeling I ever had, I wanted to stay. We talked for a long while, she answered every question i posed to her. From " what is the meaning of life?" to "Why do people have to suffer?" , all with soothing comfort. When all my questions were answered she nodded her head and I awoke in ICU, remembering every bit of it , to this day. I never feared death, now i await it with open arms knowing what waits for us on the other side!! This was an eye opening experience for someone who wasn't positive of any after life. Who would of thought God is a beautiful woman? certainly not me LOL untill this
peace
heart
more to follow

meek mike

11-01-2004, 04:00 AM

Heart-

Your experiance sounds awesome. In the Bible it says that Jesus left this place to prepare a new home for each and every one of those who believe in him. That most likey was your place and your family and friends where helping in the building process. I can picture mine. It would be close to islands but on some remote beach with the forrest behind my house. Lots of green kush growing on my mountain side and the really good kind so my friends would stop by to pick a few buds for the party Jesus and the angels are throwing. I see myself and my wife sitting on the front porch of a small but interesting shack you know something humble. I already would have heaven around me so why must I live in some giant house that needs things to be full. My daughter would run up with a few buds and ask me to role them up for her and her new angel friends to puff on while they dance in the clouds to Bradley Knowle. Sure he might want to be at his place but damn it it's my dream my visoin and he'll play where I say he will play. Ok I wouldn't make him but it was a good thought. I am looking forward to the knew insights and knowledge we will posess when we get to heaven. As I have told my wife, when I die Jesus and I are going on a 1000 year camping trip. Your more then welcome to join us if you like. I figure why get all the answers at once why not make it fun by camping and talking everything out. see if I was right on somethings and see what wisdom bombs Jesus can drop on me while toking.

Thanks for sharing your experiance with me. I hope you liked my vision of heaven. Chat with you later. Peace.

Rev. Michael T
Soldier for Christ and Cannabis

Imotep

11-02-2004, 12:59 AM

good one heart. thanks fr sharing your story.

Das

11-25-2004, 12:43 AM

Mike Meek, I'm a Christian too that smokes, and I also know the Lords word:

1 Corinthians 10:23

The thing is if it's a stumbling block to a brother and a sister we should not be doing it around them. Cannabis takes wisdom with the Lord, as I'm sure you're learning, so depending on where you live in the world it has to be used with sensitivity towards others, so as to not make them stumble.

Mike can I ask you to pray about:

Matthew 10:8

And maybe if it is in your means you or someone you know can bless me with the Sanctuary Kit.

http://www.thc-ministry.org/kit2.htm

Truthfully as Jesus is my Lord I am a man of vey little means and $200 is way beyond these pockets and I truly need to be blessed from the Lord to recieve this. Take care and keep the faith, and HOLD these truths close to your heart:

Matthew 5:20
Matthew 7:21-23

GooseBear

11-25-2004, 03:30 AM

sheesh I just typed a whole big thing and to find out I didn't log in so it ISN"T HERE
I am a confused woman
Where is my life going
what is the point
what was I put on earth to do
is this guy I'm dating the guy for me for the rest of my life (I think he is)
what major should I have now
am I making the right decisions
I know that nobody can answere these but sometimes I wish that God would just appear to me and tell me. I hope that I am on the right path... I think so...except I was always taught smoking was wrong too...hummm????

*thinking*

Das

11-25-2004, 11:21 PM

GooseBear read this in the bible:

1 Corinthians 14:33

Depending how your Bible is it will say typically either (confusion or disorder) in that verse. See the truth is God is not a God of disorder or confusion, and if you are confused then you are not on the right path, or if you are you're not sure about it either way as Christians say:

You need to DIG into the word until you know without a doubt!

Just keep seeking, God will not lead you astray:

Matthew 7: 7-12

The key is you NEED to ---> SEEK

And that means alot of pray, reading, and having fellowship with others that know the word, remember there are many who call themselves Christians and they are not, and wisdom is what we need from the Lord to know the difference.

James 1:5-8
Matthew 7:21-23

GooseBear

11-26-2004, 06:40 PM

OzzyOz

11-26-2004, 11:36 PM

meek mike

11-27-2004, 12:46 AM

Das-

Your correct in if cannabis is a stumbling block to others then is should not be done around them. That way they don't stumble by your actions. If they know you smoke and you don't discuss it with them and they still stumble because of you smoking it is there fault. I've had to deal with that one over my family many times. What I like to quote if it is a problem with them (and I've made sure I don't bring it around them) Gal. 6:4. About the kit. I can't even afford the kit that they offer. But there is a started kit that I did by for $30. I got everything in the large kit except for the annointing oil and a few of the papers liek the Constitution, state laws, etc. Which all you really neewd to do is print that out. About Mat. 10:8, that is a hard topic to discuss. I do believe that is possible but it requires a great amount of faith and in this day and age it is very hard to have that faith because it is being tested every day. About Mat. 5:20, I do agree that we should follow the laws. The cool thing aboout the Religion of Jesus Church is that smoking cannabis when apart of the religion it is legal. About Mat 7:20-23, another interesting topic. In my belief which I think goes along with the Bible Jesus wants us to do what he wants which is the have faith in him (believe he is who he said he is) and Love your neighbor (pretty much everyone) by doing those two things you are following what God the Father wants you to do.

Goosebear-

It's true what Das said. The best place in my opinion to find answers is in the Bible. For something that was written so many years it some how relates to todays living. In my opinion for it to do that it has to be God sent. I have been confused about many thing in my life. Growing up a very Southern Baptists child I was raised that Pot was wrong, drinking was wrong, etc. When I first started smoking I battled with that. I didn't feel like I was doing anything wrong but what I was told is that I was doing wrong. When I was tired of listening to what people had to say about how I should feel about things I started to do my own looking and seeking. What I found was awesome Col. 2:20-23 sum's up close to everything I found out about cannabis. It say that the idea of Don't taste, touch, handle, etc doesn't cause people not to sin or screw up it was them selfs that cause sin or to scew up. Or for better words people shouldn't blame their actions on smoking or drinking etc they need to take responsablilty for their actions. About the verse that you had problems with. In those times that was the custom. Not only for Bible believers it was that way for everyone. Times have changed. Don't let that hinder you. You know in your heart/conscience that it's not right just as everyone does and in my beliefs God is on the other line of your consciense telling you what's right and whats wrong. You asked Das what his favorite verse what I'm not Das but I'll give you mine it has to be:

1 Cor. 10:31
So whether you eat or drink whatever you do, do it all for the glory of God.

I like it so much because it relates to my Ministry. Most people are against pot, I use it to glorify God and as a witnessing tool. That one verse sums up my mission.

OzzyOz-

The Bible is full of interesting things. Much can be learned from it. If you haven't read much or any of it you should start in the book of Proverbs. That book rocks. It is possible to be a Christian and not go to church. Personaly I don't go to church much because for one I don't have a Church of my religion. If there was one I feel it would be hassled by the cops to much and I don't want to put my family in danger of the Laws. In paper it's all legal but Cops don't follow all the rules as everyone knows. Just look at medical Marijuana. They still bust houses and burn sick peoples crops. The thing about being a Christian is following Christ. Nothing more nothing less. You can worship God any where not just in some church that has to take up an offering to pay it's APS bill. The age to join the THC Ministry is 18 but to be apart of the Religion of Jesus Church no age is needed. Do a search on the Religion and you'll find out more info. About CA, no problem there. CA has the same state Constitution as AZ just research it and find the article about freedom of Religion print it out and you've stated your deffence paper work.

Rev. Michael T
Soldier for Christ

Das

11-27-2004, 07:35 PM

Thank you Das
I like the song that we sing and the lyrics are Mathew 7: 7-8!!! I just didn't know that was that but I have heard that before!

As I was reading 1 Corinthians though I was disturbed by the following verses
"As in all the congregations of the saints, women should remain silent in the churches. They are not allowed to speak but must be in submission as the Law says. If they want to inquire about something they should ask their own husbands at home for it is disgraceful for a woman to speak in the church"

I don't agree?? Or am I misinterpreting this verse?

Do you have other verses?? What are your favs? Let me look them up!!

Thank you :D

Yes this is true, a woman was not suppose to teach in Church, God made man the head not the other way around, but today many woman do teach and speak in Churches, times have changed, but as God says he doesn't change.

Hebrews 13:8

But read this all it's good:

Hebrews 13

The thing is we need wisdom for some scripture that is hard for us to interpret. Let the Lords spirit teach and guide you as the word says. Dig and seek with a humble heart and if you are TRULY HUMBLE and seeking, then the Lord will show you and teach you, Jesus is not going to lead you astray.

John 16:1-15
John 14:15-15-31

Let the HOLY SPIRIT guide and teach you, this is OUR TEACHER : :o

Das

11-27-2004, 10:37 PM

hey minister mik,
that sounds really interesting, maybe i should start reading the bible.
Is it possible to practice christianity by just reading the bible, and beliving in god... but not attending church?

And what's the age to become a THC minister, and can you be one in California?

OzzyOz don't worry about what you should or shouldn't do, or what can a Christian do and what can a Chrisitian not do. God loves you just the way you are.

Read the Bible spend time in prayer, learn who the Lord Jesus is, and most important don't expect God to bow to you, and run on your time. It is us that needs to humble ourselves to God, not the other way around.

If you don't know Jesus as your saviour, then you need to get him into your life:

Romans 10:8-15
Hebrews 10:24-24 This is (Church & Fellowship)

See Gods words say in Hebrews 10 to have fellowship Church with others, this is for many things, one of which the Lord says to encourage us on into Love.

Church the world thinks is a building, Church is the PEOPLE. Christians are the church after all what good does a empty building do if no one is in it?

Matthew 18:20 (This is a understanding of Church)

And last for now, once saved God wants our light to shine to the lost, so going in hiding as a Christian is not Gods words, we need to reach out to the lost, and help guide them.

Matthew 5:13-16
John 3:16-21

God loved you so much in that while you are still a sinner Christ died the death of a sinner, the worst a man could die in those times as a criminal, death hung on a cross. The Passion of the Christ is what happened to Jesus he was beaten that bad for us, so just remember that when you're wanting to do only this and that, look what he endured for us, he Loves us, so don't worry just accept him as you are. God will mold and shapes us, those he loves.

God takes that old lump of clay, and dirt that we are, and shapes us into something beautiful. God does mold us just ask any Christian.

2Corinthians. 5:17

THC-ministry membership 21yrs. old and members all across the USA

litespeed

11-27-2004, 11:05 PM

Yeah i dont understand that either. Maybe you say smoking throuigh christianity is morally legal, but that wont sytand up in court when you get charged with posession. Explain... :confused:

:) Religious rights and freedoms are
granted by the Creator to all of us
and protected by law in every country on earth. :D

http://www.thc-ministry.org/index1.htm

Das

11-28-2004, 06:48 PM

This:

Originally Posted by Kid Dynamite
Yeah i dont understand that either. Maybe you say smoking throuigh christianity is morally legal, but that wont sytand up in court when you get charged with posession. Explain...

Amendment I - Freedom of Religion, Press, Expression

Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.

----> or prohibiting the free exercise thereof

That means in your religion if anything is held in belief as a part of your religion, that as for example believe God gave you, and this is a part of your religion, then the Bill of Rights protects your ---> "Freedom of Religion" to exercise that right, and therefore cannot be charged against it.

So believing that God gave you cannabis as part of your religion, and use it to exercise that right by this Bill gives you freedom and protection, therefore the law cannot touch you.

All I can say is ONE you better have real conviction in your faith and proof to show this, and know it's true to stand by it and believe it, and the Lord does show this for Christians:

Genesis 1:29

litespeed

11-29-2004, 05:38 AM

heartsurgerysurviver

Religious Freedom Restoration Act of 1993
Enrolled Bill (Sent to the President)

H.R.1308

One Hundred Third Congress of the United States of America AT THE FIRST SESSION Begun and held at the City of Washington on Tuesday, the fifth day of January, one thousand nine hundred and ninety-three An Act

TITLE: To protect the free exercise of religion.

Be it enacted by the Senate and House of Representatives of the United States of America in Congress assembled,

SECTION 1. SHORT TITLE.

This Act may be cited as the 'Religious Freedom Restoration Act of 1993'.

SEC. 2. CONGRESSIONAL FINDINGS AND DECLARATION OF PURPOSES.

(a) Findings: The Congress finds that--

(1) the framers of the Constitution, recognizing free exercise of religion as an unalienable right, secured its protection in the First Amendment to the Constitution;

(2) laws 'neutral' toward religion may burden religious exercise as surely as laws intended to interfere with religious exercise;

(3) governments should not substantially burden religious exercise without compelling justification;

(4) in Employment Division v. Smith, 494 U.S. 872 (1990) the Supreme Court virtually eliminated the requirement that the government justify burdens on religious exercise imposed by laws neutral toward religion; and

(5) the compelling interest test as set forth in prior Federal court rulings is a workable test for striking sensible balances between religious liberty and competing prior governmental interests.

(b) Purposes: The purposes of this Act are--

(1) to restore the compelling interest test as set forth in Sherbert v. Verner, 374 U.S. 398 (1963) and Wisconsin v. Yoder, 406 U.S. 205 (1972) and to guarantee its application in all cases where free exercise of religion is substantially burdened; and

(2) to provide a claim or defense to persons whose religious exercise is substantially burdened by government.

SEC. 3. FREE EXERCISE OF RELIGION PROTECTED.

(a) In General: Government shall not substantially burden a person's exercise of religion even if the burden results from a rule of general applicability, except as provided in subsection (b).

(b) Exception: Government may substantially burden a person's exercise of religion only if it demonstrates that application of the burden to the person--

(1) is in furtherance of a compelling governmental interest; and

(2) is the least restrictive means of furthering that compelling governmental interest.

(c) Judicial Relief: A person whose religious exercise has been burdened in violation of this section may assert that violation as a claim or defense in a judicial proceeding and obtain appropriate relief against a government. Standing to assert a claim or defense under this section shall be governed by the general rules of standing under article III of the Constitution.

SEC. 4. ATTORNEYS FEES.

(a) Judicial Proceedings: Section 722 of the Revised Statutes (42 U.S.C. 1988) is amended by inserting 'the Religious Freedom Restoration Act of 1993,' before 'or title VI of the Civil Rights Act of 1964'.

(b) Administrative Proceedings: Section 504(b)(1)(C) of title 5, United States Code, is amended--

(1) by striking 'and' at the end of clause (ii);

(2) by striking the semicolon at the end of clause (iii) and inserting ', and'; and

(3) by inserting '(iv) the Religious Freedom Restoration Act of 1993;' after clause (iii).

SEC. 5. DEFINITIONS.

As used in this Act --

(1) the term 'government' includes a branch, department, agency, instrumentality, and official (or other person acting under color of law) of the United States, a State, or a subdivision of a State;

(2) the term 'State' includes the District of Columbia, the Commonwealth of Puerto Rico, and each territory and possession of the United States;

(3) the term 'demonstrates' means meets the burdens of going forward with the evidence and of persuasion; and

(4) the term 'exercise of religion' means the exercise of religion under the First Amendment to the Constitution.

SEC. 6. APPLICABILITY.

(a) In General.--This Act applies to all Federal and State law, and the implementation of that law, whether statutory or otherwise, and whether adopted before or after the enactment of this Act .

(b) Rule of Construction.--Federal statutory law adopted after the date of the enactment of this Act is subject to this Act unless such law explicitly excludes such application by reference to this Act .

(c) Religious Belief Unaffected.--Nothing in this Act shall be construed to authorize any government to burden any religious belief.

SEC. 7. ESTABLISHMENT CLAUSE UNAFFECTED.

Nothing in this Act shall be construed to affect, interpret, or in any way address that portion of the First Amendment prohibiting laws respecting the establishment of religion (referred to in this section as the 'Establishment Clause'). Granting government funding, benefits, or exemptions, to the extent permissible under the Establishment Clause, shall not constitute a violation of this Act . As used in this section, the term 'granting', used with respect to government funding, benefits, or exemptions, does not include the denial of government funding, benefits, or exemptions.

Speaker of the House of Representatives.Vice President of the United States and President of the Senate.

OzzyOz

11-29-2004, 06:18 AM

ohh
well i'm not 18, but i still might get into christianity. It sounds interesting, and maybe one day i can be a THC minister.

meek mike

11-29-2004, 06:43 AM

OzzyOz-

One day soon, I'm 26 and I've learnt that time flys the older you get. Enjoy your age cause what ever age you are it's better then being in the adult world where Bills come first. It sucks sometimes but it does have it's purks like not being carded for beer. Or in my case not being chased out the store because your under age and running with a few six packs. About the Christianity if you have any questions feel free to ask one of us here. We Christians get a bad wrap because of our fanatics but for the most part we are tolerant because that is what Jesus teaches us. A few great books to read out of the Bible are:

In my favorite order:

Proverbs
James
Colossians
Hebrews
Galatians

And if you don't have a Bible then just click here:

www.biblegateway.com

Best of Luck to you on your qwest for knowledge. God Bless.

Rev. Michael T
Soldier for Christ and Cannabis

nubeLILA

12-04-2004, 03:40 PM

:) I'm from Barcelona, Spain, and I smoke cannabis from....ups, I don't remember. The only thing I know is that it make me see the thrue of anything. Someone is controlling us, but I don't know who is he, or what is it... Do you think, that all the people who smoke cannabis are together, have something together??? It's like only the people who smokes, understand the people who smokes... Idon't know if you understand my "special english". Bye... (in Barcelona we say "adeu")

meek mike

12-04-2004, 09:36 PM

NubeLiLa-

I understand what your saying. People that smoke cannabis are united with a common ground unlike the rest of the world. We that smoke can almost hang around any other person that smokes because we have that bond or intrest in each other. We all share different stories of the smoke we've had and we all share stories of the people that we thought loved us not understand us. In most cases people that don't smoke just don't care for you after they find out you smoke. At least it's happened to me. People that have known me my whole life and liked me my whole life, when they find out that I smoke the idea that they have built around me, thinking they know mw comes crubbling down because I smoke. I've had friends stop talking to me just because I smoke. Cannabis gives me the clarity that I need to see people for what they are. I am tolerant of others because so many have not been tolerant of me. All the propaganda has caused families, friends, loved ones to disown us cannabis users. While gowing up I was taught that I should feel guilty for smoking. It took me any years to realize there is nothing to feel guilty about. Nothing changed about me when I smoked I am still making all the decisions. People think that when you smoke you see cartoons, want to rape and kill poeple, etc. All Bull. I try to explain it to them that first off it's a plant, second the idea of a drug dealer lacing cannabis is just bad bussiness cause it waste more money for the dealer and money is what they are after, third it does nothing that the US gov't says it does. Cannabis users are forever linked together because we will always have to explain cannabis, it's affects, and it's benifets. The best thing for a cannabis user to do is be an example of a good pot smoker and not the warning that people relate cannabis with. You know LAZY, GIGGLY, NOT BRIGHT, SLOW, ETC. God Bless.

Rev. Michael T
Soldier for Christ and Cannabis

BradPitt

12-07-2004, 07:57 AM

Q: ) What kind of free will is it when we supposedly have 2 choices where one is deemed "good" and the other "bad"? Well thats fine until we are judged by the almighty whom we are to serve and worship.

-Be well-

thesignalreceivers

12-07-2004, 11:36 PM

Could it be that I have found someone who understands?

Excellent outline of marijuana and its use.

I have not much time to write now, but I would like to add to your post to help build upon it.

Jesus said that if we do not eat his flesh and drink His blood, we cannot enter into The Kingdom of Heaven.

His flesh and His blood would then be what?

The same as the requirements for the Passover of course. So much for the person that said marijuana was irrelevant.

Bitter Herbs (Canna), and lamb.

So which is His flesh and which is His blood?

The word vineyard comes up as Canna also.

So this must be the wine. The new wine.

So not only then would marijunana be good and right for us to use,
IT IS A REQUIREMENT for us and our sons as prescribed in the Bible.

An eternal requirement.

So when we eat bitter herbs, we are having Communion as Jesus did with His Disciples. Though He said He wouldn't eat it again until we eat it with Him in our Fathers Kingdom, we are to eat of it in rememberance of Him and the only we could go wrong in doing this is if we eat it in an improper manner.

This scripture describes The Passover best.

"Better to eat herbs where there is love, than to eat meat where there is hate."

Now to go even further, Paul The Apostle warns against those who judge us for doing what God prescribed to us to do by saying,
"Let not those who do not eat bitter herbs judge those who do, for God hath chosen them."

Those who are "Christians" that judge by the flesh do not know they are actually anti-christian because they oppose the Word of God.

For when God made the herbs he said they were for our use, of course, but he also said that they were VERY GOOD and only a fool would call evil what God has called good.

PEACE BE WITH YOU

thesignalreceivers

12-07-2004, 11:39 PM

Also the bis at the end of canna stands for twofold so as to say,
"The plant of plants, the herb of herbs, the meal of meals."

Also, look at its number as its trademark

thesignalreceivers

12-07-2004, 11:49 PM

I think the most important questions we need to ask are...
Why is it illegal and called evil if it heals the sick and gives sight to the blind.
Anti-Christ is the answer.
Fallen Angels were ordered to serve us but they wouldn't. So instead they try to get us to worship them instead of God by making laws contrary to His so that we will obey and serve God or we will obey and serve them, seeing we cannot do both.
In America you can have an abortion but you cannot have a green plant?
Anti-Christ.
And people want to come here?
As for me and my house, we will serve the Lord.
We were set free from the law of sin and death so that we could have the freedom to obey God and His laws which are for our lives so that we may live.

mr chinnery

12-11-2004, 04:36 PM

"They only preach what they have been taught so we need to correct there mislead minds".

Substitute 'they' for 'Christians'...

KennabisCranium

12-11-2004, 05:37 PM

it's very unfortunate that way too many people today base what The Messiah said and did by the actions of contemporary Christians; the selfrighteous lifestyle of most prevented me from reading the Bible for many years. But The Christ was way cool! He didn't go to church and he didn't hang out with Christians (as a matter of fact one of the few times he did go to church he got pissed off and overturned some tables). The Christ hung out WITH WHORES, drinking wine! But he was The Messiah, meaning he had something very important to say (and Judaism and Islam both recognize Christ Jesus was alive and was a Prophet). And what The Messiah said- Know that something much more powerful than you exists (God) and love that awesome mighty power with everything you got. Then love each other and forgive each other. Forgive everyone for everything at all times. Always. Forgive and love. It's such a simple answer to everything. The Messiah said to forgive and love, and I for one think that is cool so I try to love more everyday.

Lulu

12-11-2004, 05:49 PM

meek mike

12-11-2004, 06:12 PM

I'll SCREAM!!!! an AMEN to both those posts.

Rev. Michael T
Soldier for Christ

mr chinnery

12-12-2004, 04:41 PM

And what The Messiah said- Know that something much more powerful than you exists (God)

Why not try and make your own mind up instead of doing what the Bible says?

meek mike

12-12-2004, 06:16 PM

Why not try and make your own mind up instead of doing what the Bible says?

Mr. Chinnery-

Why is it that if someone has made up thier own mind and chooses to follow what the Bible and Jesus say's it's not making up thier own mind. Are you so intolerant that if it isn't your way then the person is a mindless clone that just follows what others say. Come on, your way isn't for everyone just as our way isn't for everyone. Realize just because others have a different view on life doesn't mean they are mindless and can't make up thier own mind. It's because they made thier own mind up about that topic and have chosen to follow it. Just as you have made your mind up about not believing in God. It seems as if you are purposly attacking Christians. Why is that. Do we Christians on this board go threads of others belief and slander them. No, so we ask for the same respect. Of course I haven't seen any respect from you yet so I won't hold my breath. Ok I will hold my breath but only after I rip this bong......................... Ok now I'm going to stop holding it, my face is turning purp.......

meek mike

12-12-2004, 06:17 PM

I'm back from that black out. I guess I held my breath to long. Back to the topic. Show some respect because we respect your view. Thanks.

Rev. Michael T
Soldier for Christ

GHoSToKeR

12-12-2004, 06:30 PM

alot of people dont make up their mind about religion. alot of people are born into a religion, and never question it - that, my friend, is a mindless clone

meek mike

12-12-2004, 07:18 PM

The point is that you and mr chinnery are not talking to people like that. If you haven't noticed this is a Cannabis web site and there are only two religions I know of that use cannabis so if the Christian is here it's safe to say they think for them selves. But it is a true statement:

alot of people are born into a religion, and never question it

Of course the same can be said of the opposite side

alot of people are born with out religion, and never question it.

Rev. Michael T
Soldier for Christ

GHoSToKeR

12-12-2004, 07:20 PM

if the Christian is here it's safe to say they think for them selves.

Good point :)

meek mike

12-12-2004, 07:23 PM

Thank you. You do make a good point as well thou. To those that are born into religion. I suggest questioning it but never loose yourself by doing so. Roots baby roots.

Rev. Michael T
Soldier for Christ

mr chinnery

12-16-2004, 02:04 PM

"Why is it that if someone has made up thier own mind and chooses to follow what the Bible and Jesus say's it's not making up thier own mind?".

Well mainly because you are looking to a source for guidance through one's life. e.g. I have a problem in my life, I will consult the bible to help me through this. Maybe in your view Jehova's Witnesses are justified in allowing their children to die, instead of having blood transfusions, but in my morality they are not. Also, I'd rather you didn't accuse me of slander. You might have confused 'slander' with 'logical argument'. You might feel I am personally attacking Christians, but maybe that's because you feel your beliefs cannot be questioned. I don't feel like that; if there was conclusive evidence of God's existence, or if I ever felt his 'presence' in any way, i would be the first to convert. I'm sorry if i've offended you Rev, but when you believe something, you have to understand there are always going to be people who believe something else, just as strongly as you. As for the reply to Ghostoker's comment "alot of people are born with out religion, and never question it", that doesn't really hold up. The point you should make is that both sides are equally blinkered, but someone who lives without religion and lives by common sense and empirical evidence, is a lot less likely to convert to a religion after questioning their beliefs than vice versa.

Rant Over

Be cool.........

meek mike

12-18-2004, 04:43 PM

Mr. Chinnery-

I do believe you have ill will against Christians because I don't see where else in any other religion topic you've posted. In fact you started a thread that says as a title "Baiting Christians". You also posted a question trying to trap Christians. In my mind by just those two things you are against Christians. Thats not even counting the other posts by you. I don't care if you disagree with me thats your life choice. Who am I to question you? I spread what I believe to be God's good news of forgiveness. Thats all, wheather you "convert" or not doesn't bother me one bit. I would love to hang out in heaven with you thats why I tell you what I believe but again it's your choice. You don't offend me by what you say because I have heard it all before and a little worse. My beliefs come into question everyday by others so I don't feel my beliefs are unquestionable but if thats how I'm coming off I will make it a point not to be like that. About Jahove Witnesses, I witness to them as well. I have five verses from the Bible I question them about so it's not only pot heads I try to reach I try to reach everyone I talk to. I don't agree with there idea's over blood transfusions and if I had a relative that was one and had a child that needed one I would kidnap the child and make sure it lives. But thats just me imposing on others beliefs as you feel I do often. One day you will feel God's presence and I hope that you do talk with him and ask him the questions like "Can you create a rock...." Maybe he will have a better answer then I do. May my Lord watch over and protect you from all harm and hurt. God Bless.

Rev. Michael T
Soldier for Christ

mr chinnery

12-24-2004, 02:53 PM

I have no ill will towards Christians per se, just Christianity and religions in general. You've mistaken my scepticism as personal attacks, but that's not the case. I understand why you feel it's personal, but nothing I say is intentionally offensive. I'd love to have a chat with God, but I doubt his answers would be any better...

kuulbns

12-24-2004, 04:29 PM

I'ld like to thank you guys for an intelligent and thought provoking debate. The fact that you are mature enough to be respectful of one anothers views only enhance your opinions. It's nice to see that there are some Wonderful people here that set an example of tolerance for others and their beliefs.

Looker

02-01-2005, 03:28 PM

THE THC MINISTER RULES SUPREME

mike789

07-08-2010, 03:24 PM

I personally love smoking pot I refrain because to me it is clearly wrong. I your Christianity is just a hobby you than you probably don't care about that.

God made arsenic and mercury so should we put it in a pipe and smoke it?

I smoked everyday for about ten years grew it in Hawaii carried it internationally.
I think pot is much safer then cigs and alcohol. It is hard on the lungs but can be vaporized.
I can think of plenty of reason to smoke and love the way it makes me feel.
It is illegal and does not go well with ministry.

All man sins so I don't think it prevents one from entering heaven just makes one less effective in ministry. If you are not in ministry "actively spreading Gods truth" then you are in my opinion a hobbiest.

Romans 3:23 for all have sinned and fall short of Gods glory.

It is an up hill battle for all.
Thats why he gave us help "a savior"

Romans 13:1-2 tell us to be in subjection to the superior authorities even as we are to God. further, we are to be in relative subjection to kings and governors as they have their positions due to God's allowance. (1Peter 2:13-17)

Considering it as obeying God, we would want to view obeying tax laws and traffic laws as the same whether someone is watching or not. That is part of what Christian integrity means.

ngtybear

08-17-2010, 08:38 PM

Mike, if they ban worshiping the Christian faith, should you obey the laws of the land. How about if they begin to force immunizations (a very real possibility).

Let me give another example, the draft. We now have war on many fronts. If drafted would you go? How about for a war you believed was unjust (if you considering the current just).

We live (the US) in the most litigious country in the world (possibly in the history of the world). We have prisons full of people who did nothing other than smoke a plant you can grow in your back yard and which has been both legal and part of world cultures since the beginning.

Regarding ministry...

Please define this for me... Are you speaking of the Apostolic succession of the Priesthood? If you talking about each persons responsibility to "minister" in their environment I would say anything in excess would have a negative impact, including herb. However, if kicking back in my home office for a few minutes and burning a bowl allows me shut down the stress of the day and roll in the floor with my kids and spend quality time with them... well, let's just call it ministry.

Sil3ntSpirit

01-04-2011, 09:58 PM

Hello Rev. How do I join your church or however you have it labled?? I am very much interested and I admire your work.

ngtybear

01-05-2011, 03:31 PM

Hello Rev. How do I join your church or however you have it labled?? I am very much interested and I admire your work.

To whom are you addressing your question? If it is to me, Orthodoxy is everywhere and they are all about the same. The only personality Orthodoxy pushes is that of Jesus Christ. As a result, who the priest may be is less relevant. Ping me directly and I would be happy to help you find a parish.

Forgiven

05-30-2011, 11:16 PM

There is a tremendous amount of confusion among Christian people about what the Bible says about smoking marijuana. I believe I am qualified to speak on this subject. As a Christian, I smoked marijuana for two years before I quit. I am also a pharmaceutical chemist. I have learned how to take the THC out of the plant, leaving behind the pure cannabinoids that heal the body without the stone. I am also a grower. I do not provide my patients with bud, hash, or oil, only THC free medicine.

(Everything in quotes below is a quotation from the Bible)

Most Christians get hung up on Genesis 1:29,31. Yes, no one can deny that Jesus Christ made marijuana. â??Without him was not anything made that was made.â? Thatâ??s why I started smoking marijuana. I thought God approved the smoking of marijuana based on that one scripture. But you can not base your doctrine on just one scripture. The Bible teaches, â??In the mouth of two or three witnesses let every word be established.â? So letâ??s look at some more scriptures, at least 3 to establish the truth. In this case there are way more than just 3.

First, letâ??s try to get an insight into Genesis 1:29,31. The instructions in that scripture for the proper use of marijuana is to eat it. When you eat it, you are eating THC-A. That is the acid form of THC. You will not get stoned eating THC-A, but you will get the health benefits. If you heat marijuana, you break off one hydrogen atom, one carbon atom and two oxygen atoms, leaving THC, the chief psychoactive component of marijuana.

What is the problem with Christians getting high?

Jesus Christ was not high during his earthly ministry. â??In him dwelt all the fullness of the Godhead bodily.â? â??He had the Holy Spirit without measure.â? It is preposterous to think that the Most High God would need to create a substance outside of himself in order to somehow to advance or improve in some way as the eternal Creator and Savior of mankind. Had Jesus been sitting in front of a campfire passing a joint around with his disciples the eyewitness, gospel historians, for sure, would have written that down. That would have been a big deal. The sin of sorcery which violates the laws of God was common in the days of Jesus, as it was before he was born. The sin of sorcery is condemned in both the Old Testament and the New Testament. For Jesus to smoke marijuana would have meant he was breaking his own laws. He could have never been the pure, holy, undefiled sacrifice for sins had he been involved in the sin of sorcery. More on exactly what the sin of sorcery is later.

Jesus Christ drank wine, but he didnâ??t get drunk. We know he drank wine because he was called a winebibber. His first miracle was to turn water into wine. He was not drunk because he commanded us, â??not to be drunk with wine wherein is excess, but to be filled with the Spirit.â? He did not disobey his own law.

The Bible is clear, â??Let this mind be in you that was also in Christ Jesus.â? â??Arm yourself with this same mind.â? â??God has not given us a spirit of fear, but a spirit of power, love and a sound mind.â? Remember, we only need 2-3 scriptures to prove our point. Here we see that these 3 scriptures command us to have a sound mind. If Jesus was not stoned during his time on the earth, according to these 3 scriptures, we can not be stoned either. Here is a 4th scripture. â??As he is, so are we in this world.â?

At one point I was smoking marijuana around my children. What a great example as a father I was! A man of God smoking marijuana in front of two teenage sons who are also struggling with marijuana smoking! â??I will not eat meat if it makes my brother stumble.â? There is a 5th scripture. Thatâ??s another reason not to smoke marijuana. If it causes someone to stumble, donâ??t do it. Marijuana smoking is not accepted by the Christian community. No one will endorse you or support your ministry if you break the laws of God, and then say it is not wrong. There is no such thing as a THC Minister. They cause other Christians and sinners to stumble who are weak. â??It would be better to have a millstone hung around your neck, and cast into the sea, than to cause one of these little ones to stumble.â? Thatâ??s a 6th scripture.

No one, but no one, whether they are Christian or not, condemn me for the THC free products I make from marijuana. Because they won't get you stoned. Thatâ??s a legitimate use of the marijuana plant. I am healing all kinds of skin diseases with these products.

Now letâ??s talk about pharmakia. During the two years I was a stoner, I did one internet search after the next trying to figure out what the word pharmakia meant. Unfortunately, most of the Christian websites that denounce marijuana are written by people who have never smoked or grown marijuana. There is no way they can relate to people who smoke it.

Pharmakia means pharmacy. I could never figure out how the Bible translators went from the English word pharmacy to what at first glance seems to be two completely unrelated words â?? sorcery and witchcraft. What does a pharmacy have to do with sorcery or witchcraft? Not only are the words sorcery and witchcraft suggestive of demons and demonic activity, but the Bible goes so far to say that those who are sorcerers will go to hell. â??Sorcerers will have their place in the lake that burns with fire and brimstone.â? â??Sorcerers will not inherit the Kingdom of God.â? This is serious business. You can lose your salvation if you partake in the sin of sorcery. So do your homework after you read this paper. Do you want to go through your life thinking you are saved, but come to the moment of your death only to be sentenced to eternal condemnation in the lake of fire? â??Behold, many will come in that day and say, Lord, Lord, did I not prophecy in your name. He will say to them, Depart from me you workers of iniquity. I never knew you.â? Jesus is talking to Christians involved in sorcery, among others.

The Greek words pharmakeia, pharmakeus and pharmakos, are translated witchcraft, sorceries and sorcerers in the New Testament. These three words are derived from the Greek word pharmakon, which means drugs or magic potions. Whatever the Bible means by sorcery it means that drugs are involved in some way.

So what do you have to do to be viewed by God as a sorcerer?

The Bible interprets itself. It tells us what sorcery is. Letâ??s take a look. In Acts 8 there is a famous sorcerer named Simon. He was imitating the miracles done by the Holy Spirit through the apostles. I have no idea how Simon did those miracles. Drugs were involved, but I donâ??t know exactly how Simon got his power from the devil through drugs to do that. I was never, and I doubt if any of you know how to do this kind of sorcery either. Probably there are witches somewhere out there who know how to do it.

In Isaiah the sorcerers were acting as mediums, or conjuring up the spirits of the dead. Drugs were involved, but once again I can not tell you how they did it. I was never involved with this kind of demonic activity either.

In Jeremiah the sorcerers were prophesying falsely. Ah ha! This is where we miss it as Christians. We are acting as false prophets when we smoke marijuana. I will explain.

Most every Christian has had supernatural experiences with Jesus Christ. I mean it is impossible to meet your Creator, the very all knowing Savior himself, and not have great spiritual encounters with him. I call them God momentsâ?¦the times when Jesus shows up. I love it. I live for it. â??Draw close to God and he will draw close to you.â?

Most Christians I know believe that they are having a spiritual experience when they smoke marijuana. They are right. I hadnâ??t smoke marijuana in 35 years when I took my first toke of Pit Bull, the most potent marijuana plant in the world. Thatâ??s the genetics I use for my medicine.

My first experience smoking Pit Bull ushered me into a spiritual realm that I believed was part of Godâ??s Spirit. I had never been in that world before as a Christian. The experience seemed so extraordinaryâ?¦fantastic even. I thought God was speaking to me. I kept a journal of what I was hearing. In the beginning the subject matter was always the Bible, evangelism, and how to treat my wife and children. I was so convinced that God was talking to me that I began to believe that everything I was hearing while stoned were direct words from God himself. Then when I came down from the high I would do what the voice had told me to do without questioning itâ?¦things I would never have done unless I had received the â??revelationâ? while I was stoned. Those â??revelations and insightsâ? however nearly destroyed my finances, my marriage, my family, and my ministry.

The spirit of pharmakia is a demonic spirit. It attacks Christians when they smoke marijuana. How do I know the spirit of pharmakia is not God? More than enough scriptures have already been provided to prove that God wants us to have a straight mind, a sound mind, a THC free mind. God does not speak to you when you are stoned. But you think he is. The net results from smoking marijuana leads to confusion. It does not happen overnight. It happens over time, little by little. In the end, â??A Kingdom divided against itself can not stand.â? Christians who are involved in sorcery usually have a deaf and dumb spirit following them, as well as a spirit of poverty. Nowâ?¦I am trying to stay scriptural, but I canâ??t prove that last sentence from the Bible. It is just something I have observed. I did not prosper financially as a stoner. My workers, all stoners, donâ??t prosper either. My neighbors harvest, but never build a solid financial base. Now that I am back in my straight mind I am on my way to greater victories in every area of my life, including financial.

This is scary stuff man! You think God is talking to you, but he is not. You are deceived. It is a spiritual trick. It is the spirit of pharmakia, a demonic spirit, who sounds very much like God. So, when you think that God is really talking to you, and you start to say out of your mouth, and to do the things you hear while stonedâ?¦things that are in all actuality from the devilâ?¦this is a form of sorcery known as false prophecy.

Jesus said, "It is not what goes into a man that defiles a man, it is what comes out of a man." Brother! For you to speak and to act on words that you think came from God that actually came from a demon spirit is a sin so vile in the sight of God that he will send you to hell forever for practicing it. Jesus said, â??I am the door.â? There is another proof text for you. The door into the Kingdom of God or into the Spirit world is through him, not through marijuana plus Jesus. It doesnâ??t work that way. To do otherwise Jesus said â??makes you a thief and a robber.â? To want marijuana so much that you want to stay stoned all the time is to put a false god before the real God. This breaks the first commandment, â??You shall have no other Godâ??s before me.â? Thatâ??s another proof text. So whatâ??s the bottom line to all of this?

Jesus said, â??If you love me, keep my commandments.

Forgiven