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Zoidberg

09-11-2006, 07:17 PM

Hey there, been doing my research and a lot of reading on here! I'm gonna start growing some bud and thought I'd post my set-up and see what kind of advice you guys could offer.

I planted my germinated seeds (pics below) today so this is day 1. They're easy buds from femaleseeds.nl and they seem good for a first grow because of the shorter yield time. I got a 400 watt HPS and, as you can see. it's in a spare wardrobe. The soil is good stuff too, lots of worm casings and perlite, has the right PH etc :thumbsup:

So, I've just planted the seeds and I have them in under the HPS now for a few hours. It really dries out that soil and it's quite a few feet above it. Should I turn off the lamp and wait for the seedlings to come through before resuming the lamp?

In another picture, you can see my nutes. They're organic and as you can, they're for growing, flowering and the fish mix is an all-rounder. I'm just curious when to start using them and how much?

On the to-do list is:

Get a fan
Get some blackout blinds (or something similar)
Get a PH tester, thermometer and timer!

Phew, lots of effort but it'll be worth it. As its my first grow, I'm not expecting miracles. I just want to learn first. Plus I'm going on vacation in 8 weeks so I'll probably be rushing it a bit (flowering and harvesting a tad early I'd say).

Anyway, what do you guys think? Am I missing anything glaringly obvious?

Cheers,

Dr. Z :rasta:

phytokind

09-11-2006, 07:49 PM

Well you definitely don't need to be running that light for germination, and from what I've read here you would be better off with some CFLs or MH instead of the HPS until you start flowering.

Zoidberg

09-11-2006, 08:20 PM

Hmm, kinda thought as much although I was told otherwise by my friendly growshop owner. I was just kinda giving the light a trial run. I left the wardrobe doors shut (otherwise there's an orange glow coming from my window, bit suspicious) and it got very hot. It would seem no HPS anymore until I can blackout the room and keep the doors open with a fan blowing. I don't expect the seedlings to be fully out until the weekend (probably) so I could pick up some CFLs then. Will the CFL cause the plants to grow at the same rate. Cheers for your advice.

Zoidberg

09-12-2006, 08:58 PM

Actually, after further research....CFLs vs MH. What should I go for the veg stage? I'm not restricted by budget at the moment and would prefer to use the best method & lights rather than just go for the cheap one.

Also, I dunno if anyone read above but I've got 8 weeks til I go on vacation for 2 and a half weeks. Keep in mind that this is my experimental grow and I want to get things cleared up before I go (I suspect my mother will be checking up on my house while I'm away y'see). Is it possible for me to veg for 4 weeks and flower for 4? I know, I know, I'll get a crap yield and crap bud but this is my trial run so I don't mind.

Also, what do you think of my nutes? Any good?

budzy malone

09-12-2006, 09:15 PM

The first few weeks are the hardest kind of thing..... two leaves, four leaves and then crucial... tender loving care.

Dutch Pimp

09-12-2006, 10:47 PM

You need to read Bob Bong's post, in the Grow Lounge.

hudson88

09-13-2006, 09:22 AM

You're really gonna be pushing it to get anything worth smoking in 8 weeks, but if you gotta i'd say veg for 2 weeks and flower for 6. I'd try reducing light for flowering from the recommended 12 to 11 at the third week of flowering then 10 and 9 each week after, this way the plant will react to the shortening of day and should finish a little earlier. I'd go get some lowryder seeds if i was in your position, start to finish 10 weeks, you should get a decent smoke after 8 weeks but i'm afraid any other seeds it's just not gonna be long enough. Hope i'm wrong. Good luck dude
Oh and get a fan as soon as you can, and look into getting a heat shield or cool tube as well. HPS lights are a nighmare for heat!

Zoidberg

09-13-2006, 06:29 PM

Cheers for the advice guys. Dutch Pimp, had a look at Bob Bong's post in the grow lounge....the one about growing in your parent's house? This is my house, I'm many years from living at home. I just said my mother would probably come and check my house every now and again while I'm on holiday. Sorry if you're talking about a different thread though.

Hudson, cheers. That's some sound advice. I know I'll probably not get anything too worthy from this grow but it's all about learning for me right now.

So, 3 of 4 seedlings have sprouted today. I'm very proud :) haha. I turned on the HPS because they could use some light. However, how far away from the lamp should they be? I don't want them stretching but I know that heat is a factor. Currently, they're about 4 and half feet from the lamp. I've not heard of a heat shield before, care to explain?

I've also been listening to the dope fiend podcast (dopefiend.co.uk) and there was a guy called Mr. Bud who has done segments about growing your own. It seems he uses a HPS from start to finish, any thoughts? Check out the podcast by the way, it's pretty good.

Also, I've attached a few pics of the lil babies. I have to say, it'll be nice to get some bud eventually but right now, I'm finding it very interesting as a hobby.

Zoidberg

09-13-2006, 06:44 PM

Forgot the pics! Dur!

jamstigator

09-13-2006, 06:52 PM

I think you'd do better getting a couple or four cool white CFLs and just use those for the first week, let the little ones get a strong root system going and a few leaves before you beam them too hard with the HPS light. Probably denser node placement that way too. Then after a week, leave the CFLs there, and turn on the HPS light too.

Getting anything decent in 8 weeks seems nigh impossible. I mean, they need that long in flowering alone, or longer, before the trichomes are mature. You'll have plants you can cut down after eight weeks, and if you smoke enough, you'll still get high. But if it sucks (and it probably will) don't think that it's bad weed or anything, it'll suck because you won't get a big yield and what you do get won't be ripe, just because they'll be immature plants. Still worth doing though, as a learning thing.

That wardrobe looks quite similar to my own (before I put stuff in it). I have the same size light too. I'll post a pic or two here for ya (from last grow), and you can see how I made stuff work pretty well with a wardrobe. I'm not saying this is the best possible cabinet or anything, but maybe it'll give you a few ideas for the future. Oh, and those bushy suckers are the result when you veg too long. Yield was about 15 ounces, and took me 10 painful and sticky hours to manicure. ;)

Zoidberg

09-13-2006, 08:10 PM

Wow, niiiice! :thumbsup: That's something to aspire to! 15oz! Yowsa!

Well, I've stuck up some temporary blackout blinds (ha, see pic) and now I can leave the wardrobe doors open so it can be a bit cooler. I've put my hand just over the seedlings and the heat isn't too bad so hopefully it will work out until the weekend when I can get some CFLs and stuff. I am getting a fan tomorrow though so that should be a help!

Dutch Pimp

09-13-2006, 10:48 PM

..I jumped off sides...before the hike...I need to read closer. My mind was still on that tread...while reading yours. My Bad.

Zoidberg

09-16-2006, 06:49 PM

No probs DP! I do agree that growing in parents' homes is bad news.

Anyway, today is about day 4 and I have two champs and two runts (see pics). 2 of them are doing really well while the other 2 day are shorter and their leaves are much less developed. In fact, the smallest plant's real leaves are tiny! They've all gotten the same treatment, soil, light and amount of water so this confuses me.

Apart from that. today I went shopping and picked up a ph tester (ph is fine, just under 7), thermometer (low 80's, not too bad right?), a spray mister for watering, a timer for flowering and some bigger pots for whenever I need to transplant. Seems like I've got a pretty decent set up. I also wouldn't mind getting my hands on some mylar and some seeds for a future grow but I'm broke now til payday :( Anyways I've included a pic of the current set-up (added a fan a few days ago to help with the temps, which it is doing nicely :) )

sdhall36

09-16-2006, 07:12 PM

Oh man, the Jamstigator has sopken, he's so right - It takes ages and ages to flower some strains (well it seems like it!!!).
Is there no way you can rig something to water them while you are away?

Kudos to J - and All the best to you (have a great vacation)

Zoidberg

09-16-2006, 07:32 PM

Thanks although vacation time is a while away yet.

I suppose I could rig something to water them but I just don't fancy having the lights going for 2 and a half weeks while I'm gone. Like I said, I'll do some learning with this one (like next time have CFLs for veg as the heat in this room with HPS going 24hrs is killing me lol) and get better next time.Next grow, I'll have plenty of time and a bit of experience when I start again in mid November. :cool:

Anyone got any ideas why two of my babies are runts? Any other advice/implorement is more than welcome ;)

And yeah, while I think of it, has anyone smoked some easy bud from femaleseeds.nl?

turtle420

09-16-2006, 07:39 PM

Hello Zoid, :)

You'll want to work with your venting... that will be a hassle if you don't nail it.

You're still relatively 'ok' regarding the schedule... but start working on the venting.
If the budget isn't constraining, get a good, high-quality fan from one of the hydro shops.
Something like a Fantech or a similar thing.
At the very least, you'll want to exchange the air inside that cabinet every 5 minutes.

Are your plants getting fresh air?
NOTE: Fresh air is NOT air from the room... from 'around the house'. No, fresh air is air from OUTSIDE the house. f r e s h
The plants needs fresh air, or they'll get stunned in their growth.
They'll still grow... yes they will... but not at the rate/performance they're capable of.

The other thing, is that you're going to want to start light-proofing your cabinet. That's a task that can be a little daunting. When you 12/12 your girls, you need a perfectly BLACK enviroment for them. No ifs, ands or buts. p i t c h b l a c k

Your setup looks good. :)

Best to you buddy,

-turtle420 :cool:
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Zoidberg

09-16-2006, 07:58 PM

Hey Turtle,

Thanks for the advice. At the moment, I have the fan in the picture going all day (it moves from side to side) and the wardrobe doors are always open so air does get shifted around all day.

I would say the guys get some fresh air, probably not enough. I live in the middle of the city so I've had to black out the windows of this room. I tested the light a few days ago, took a walk outside my apartment and there was this hugely noticable orange glow from my house. Looked like the room was being visited by god from the outside lol.

However, the door of this room is always open and whenever I'm home I open all adjacent doors and windows which should allow some fresh air. I'll need to work on it though.

I should be able to manage perfect darkness for 12/12 easy enough. Especially now the winter months are coming, there will be less than 12 hours light anyway so I can control that aspect ok.

When you say venting, what do you mean? The wardrobe is a built-in feature of my place so I can't exactly start drilling holes in it and using extractor fans. I notice a lot of the guys on here vent hot air up into their attics. Apart from the DIY aspect that I wouldn't be very good at, I don't have an attic to vent to. Ideally, I'd like to get some decent curtains or blinds in this room and be able to keep the window open. Would this be a good alternative?

turtle420

09-16-2006, 08:17 PM

Thanks for the advice.
My pleasure. :)

Looked like the room was being visited by god from the outside lol.
Ahahahaa!!!
I know EXACTLY what you mean man...
HA!
Various nights, my neighbors must have thought I was conducting cold fusion experiments or something in that room. HA!

Ideally, I'd like to get some decent curtains or blinds in this room and be able to keep the window open. Would this be a good alternative?
I think this is the best alternative... and your best bet.

If you can't drill holes here and there...
hmmm.... thinking (slow process, as I find my self weedless right now)...

thinking....

Ok, I saw a grow video once, where the guy built a small "box/wall" behind his window. Just for the window opening.
He hung up some blinds... cracked opened the windows... and installed the box/wall behind the curtains.

This way, he could drill all he wanted into his box, which would provide him with his fresh air and exhaust needs.

Maybe you can do something like that.

Reason I'm being so hard on you, is because I was there.
I mean, we have to face reality here.

How practical is it to have the closet doors open all the time, with a fan perched up blowing air into it?

Don't feel bad man!!!
I'm telling you, I was there.
It's super good when you nail a part of your grow problems... super satisfactory.

But, those are my thoughts.
If you can't drill/cut the closet... maybe get a cool tube... that will definitely help you with the temps of the bulb.
(((I know, I know... here:::: cool tube = Pyrex Bake-A-Round @ eBay.... no problem)))

What do you think?
Just some thoughts :)

-turtle420 :cool:
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Zoidberg

09-16-2006, 09:03 PM

Thanks again turtle. Hmmm, the box wall certainly sounds do-able and would be pretty easy to make. I guess I'd just need extractor and intake fans that I could plug into the wall.

Just been having a look at cool tubes too. The 'real' cool tubes look a bit pricey, so loving the price of the pyrex bake-a-round (the name is so appropriate heh). Do I just slip the tube over my existing bulb or do I need anything else? Looks very good!

Still though, I'm looking the at the cool tube jamstigator has in the pic he posted. I notice he has a pipe coming from the cool tube and going up through his wardrobe. Is this venting necessary? (I'm guessing yes....or else what's the point, right?) This wouldn't be possible for me. I'd have to attach the cool tube pipe to the box wall (that would be about 6ft away). The girlfriend would never go for that.....well, some persuasion maybe.

It actually is quite practical for me to have the wardrobe open and the fan perched all day btw. I've got my grow going in my box room which just houses this computer and that's about it.

Ah the complications! If I still lived in the country, this would be a whole lot easier! Damn city livin'

turtle420

09-16-2006, 09:12 PM

Hey Zoid! :)
If you have a powerful exhaust fan, you can forego [sp?] the intake fan... as the exhaust fan will create a vacuum.... which will pull air IN through your intake tube.
Passive intake is what we call it.

There's a good thread in the.... here
http://boards.cannabis.com/showthread.php?t=38520
It's Mellow Man's cool tube How To.

Being inspired by him, I did my own:::
http://boards.cannabis.com/showthread.php?t=34726&page=6
post #148

RE::: Jamstigator's cool tube setup.
Yeah, the venting is necessary.
I'm sure the open-end of his cool tube is the intake, and he just pushed air outside the box.
That's the idea... to keep all that hot air the bulb produces, and keep it separated from the grow box's enviroment.

As to the 6ft drying machine duct going to the wall/box, that's the thing I was guessing.
You're going to end up with two or three wierd stuff 'out of place' in your room.

BUT, if that's the "box" room... and it's the computer and the grow stuff in there... Go for it!!!

Wise Words::::
It is better to say you're sorry than to ask for permission.
;)

Let us know how it goes man! :)

Zoidberg

09-18-2006, 08:39 PM

Been doing a bit of looking around and I think I'll get one of these grow tents like the bud box. It seems like a good solution as it's light proof, I can leave the window open at all times. I'll get an extractor fan/carbon filter in there and blow it out the window. :) I love it when a plan comes together. Only problem is the expense really, but it'll be worth it in the end! :rasta:

Anyway, here's some piccies from day 6. I've still got two good growers but now only one gimp. The other plant is doing much better now. I've just to name them now. I think the big one should be Chuck Norris, no idea what to name the rest lol. Chuck's stem doesn't seem to be the strongest as I came home today to find it leaning to one side but a bit of packed soil did the job. I also turned down the fan a notch too. Anyway, here's the pics.

Totalpain

09-19-2006, 12:24 AM

Zoidberg

09-20-2006, 06:55 PM

Hello there, day 8 is upon me and my seedlings and Chuck Norris' dominance continues over his siblings. Er.....I understand I want Chuck Norris to be a female but I can't refer to Chuck as 'she' or 'her'.

Anyway, the gimp is still a gimp but the others are doing nicely. I've been bringing the light closer to the seedlings each day and now they're a shade over 12 inches away from the lamp and doing fine. I've included some pics! I'm pretty happy the way things are going so far. Can't wait to get my budbox and extractor fan now. I also want a conversion bulb so they get some blue spectrum light and I don't have to buy another ballast. :) Anyone care to recommend a 400w conversion bulb?

Edit: if you have a look at the first pic below, see the leave slightly curl at the sides? Should I be worried about this?

hudson88

09-21-2006, 12:09 AM

Hey Zoid, just my opinion but i think you should move that light at least 6-12 inches further away pronto, they're not nearly big enuff to use the amount of light they'll be getting from just over a foot away, you can only really hurt them. They can take a little time to show signs of heat damage and when you realise it's too late. I don't wanna see your seedlings fry!

Zoidberg

09-21-2006, 07:05 AM

Cheers for the heads up man. I've moved them to 20 inches away now.

I can see that Chuck is developing 3 more nodes now. I'd say that in a week, it will be coming along nicely.

Zoidberg

09-25-2006, 05:47 PM

Hey there,

today is day 13! Chuck Norris is still kicking ass.

Anyway, I'll probably post some pics later but I've noticed some lower leaves yellowing. I'm taking this as a sign that the babies need some N so I made a fairly weak Biobizz bio-grow feed (0.5ml/litre) and fed the plants yesterday.

They're still growing nicely but there's still yellowing of the lower leaves. Note that this isn't nute burn as they have not been fed any nutes before. The soil is biobizz all-mix. How soon should I see some effects of this feed?

Thanks,

Z

jamstigator

09-25-2006, 10:31 PM

Chuck Norris is a pussy! Well, that's what you're hoping, anyway. ;)

Dunno anything about biobizz stuff, so can't comment, but hope the prob gets fixed!

Looks like you might have some juicy buds in time for Christmas! I have some plants (Blue Mystic) on basically the same schedule as you here, so hopefully I will have some juicy Christmas buds too.

Zoidberg

09-25-2006, 11:10 PM

Thanks for the reply man. You'd be proud - I'm slowly building up a nice grow space. My extractor fan arrived today and I expect the budbox to come soon :) Eventually, I'll get a cool tube and I'll be set up :) Here's a few pics of the kids in the wardrobe before their new luxury home is set up. You can see the yellowing of the leaves. I read that added nitrogen will take a week to show its effects but all seems healthy otherwise.

bud breath420

09-28-2006, 01:22 PM

bump.. this is interesting dont let it die

Acouwaila

09-28-2006, 04:38 PM

yeah im liking this lol

Zoidberg

09-28-2006, 05:52 PM

Don't worry, I'll be keeping this one going until harvest. It's great to get people's opinions and advice, plus it helps me by keeping a record of where I'm at. Still waiting for my budbox to arrive (tomorrow hopefully....) and I'll be posting pics then. At the moment, Chuck Norris is kicking total ass. It's taking well to the nutes! :D Cheers for all your help and comments so far, it's greatly appreciated.

Zoidberg

10-01-2006, 10:44 AM

Well, I got my tent on Friday and began the long process of setting it up. I had read one review of a growtent by a guy who claimed to have put it up in 15 minutes whilst stoned. I realise now that this was a lie. It took me hours to get everything set up. It's really a 2 person job. Anyway, below are pics of the tent and the set-up.

It's great to have a tent where I can control everything but the downside is - it's frickin' huge! Notice in the picture of the tent, I am outside the room taking the photo so I've had to move everything else out of that room! The girlfriend is not impressed with this but what can I do! I realise now that I will definitely need a cool-tube for this type of set-up as it does get rather warm in the tent even with the fans and extractors working. For the time being, I have the extractor fan on the top of the tent because I have nothing to suspend it with inside. It's a noisy mofo so that'll have to go on the inside soon enough.

The funny thing is, it's really an overkill set-up for my 3 plants but I plan to grow 10 or so Northern Lights in there starting mid-November. Anyway, what do you dudes think? Am I missing anything in my setup?

Cheers, Z

jamstigator

10-01-2006, 11:47 AM

I'd do like you said, put the fan inside, the filter outside, and get (or make) a cooltube. But looks pretty rockin' to me! Never seen one of these grow tents in action before. Looking forward to you kicking ass with it! ;)

Zoidberg

10-01-2006, 11:56 AM

Cheers man. Just wondering, why would you put the filter outside? I've only ever seen people's setups with it inside. Can't wait til the tent sees some flowering action! I'm really gonna fill the tent up in future grows :D Well, I'll try anyway.

Zoidberg

10-09-2006, 08:14 PM

Hey there, just a quick update. Today is day 27. The plants have been coming along nicely in the past week or so. I've had a bit of lower leaf yellowing but apart from that all is good. I've ordered a cool tube so I'm going to wait until that gets here to post more pics. I also ordered some PH uppers/downers for my water because I recently bought a really good PH tester and discovered my tap water has a very high PH. I think a nice flush is in order just to be sure that I don't have PH lock-out once the stuff arrives.

Sorry, nothing too exciting. I just want to keep this thread up to date because I'm using it as a reference for myself! Pictures soon!

Cheers,

Z

sth

10-10-2006, 03:18 AM

Is the light still close to the plants? They still look burned to me, dude.

Zoidberg

10-10-2006, 07:11 AM

The light is about 2 feet above the plants. I don't think they're being burned because the top leaves are fine, it's only the bottom leaves that are yellowing. Temps are kept around 29 degrees when the lights are on. Either way, the cool tube should be able to sort it out if they are burned.

hudson88

10-10-2006, 04:16 PM

Hey zoidberg, things are looking good, like the tent, i wanted one but being a cheapskate made my own! Kinda funny your 3 little ones in such a big space ha ha but i'm sure you'll have it looking like a jungle soon enuff!

Zoidberg

10-10-2006, 09:07 PM

Sooooooon! :) Nah, when I get back from my hols in mid November, I'm getting started on a big crop of northern lights. It does look a bit ridiculous now though! Complete overkill ;)

Zoidberg

10-13-2006, 11:00 PM

Yes, today is the day I got my cool tube. Took quite a while to wire everything up and have optimal conditions but I got there in the end. I believe I can stop screwing around now! :) Anyway, pics are below, today is day 31 of veg, still a bit small so I might wait another week/a few more inches to throw them into flower (wanted to wait until they showed sex). They seem to be doing well although I noticed a few rough, bright yellow, brittle edges on the leaves of one plant so I gave it a precautionary flush. Soil Ph is 6.8 and everything seems good :) Let me know if you have any thoughts or comments :)

doco

10-13-2006, 11:47 PM

Your grow is looking good man. What PH tester did you end up getting? I've got a cheap eBay moisture/light/ph meter and I question how accurate it is.

Zoidberg

10-14-2006, 11:33 AM

Hi doco, I bought this Ph tester http://www.basementlighting.com/Merchant2/merchant.mv?page=1/PROD/PHHEPH (plus a few of the related products on that page). Before that, I had a cheap, crappy tester that was just really inaccurate. It Phed my tap water about 7 whejn in reality, it was closer to 10.

Zoidberg

10-16-2006, 02:24 PM

Check it out, I flushed one of my plants and then a few days later, growth has gone through the roof :D I'll be flushing the others today as well. The biggest one must be about 10 inches now and the others are still around 6/7 inches. Does this mean that I could have had some kind of ph lockout? Anyways, here's some pics, day 34! 1st one is of the biggest plant, 2nd is the smaller ones. Don't mind the leaf colour, the HPS turns everything yellow.

hudson88

10-16-2006, 02:49 PM

Yeah its possible they could of had a lockout, i flush mine about once a month, or maybe they just needed a good watering, when i water i give them plenty so the water is coming out the bottom of the pot, but only water around every 4-6 days at this stage. Looking good zoid ;)

Peace :rasta:

Anathema2121

10-16-2006, 03:02 PM

Lookin good man, we're about the same stage in our grow, mine are a month and a week or two old I think (check the link in my sig for pics :)), and finally got them under a 1000 watt HPS last night. We just transplanted yesterday into their final 5 gallon pots, so in a week or two they should fuckin take off. Keep us posted :rasta:

Zoidberg

10-16-2006, 09:15 PM

Definitely will. Cheers for the comments lads, think I'll follow your lead hudson and flush the plants every month or so. I flushed the other 2 a few hours ago, hope to see them take off now :) 1000 watts.....nice. Is the quote in your sig from mallrats btw?

Anathema2121

10-17-2006, 12:32 AM

Hey man does that external reflector on the cool tube help any? We have one just can't decide whether it looks better with it on or off.

Zoidberg

10-17-2006, 07:30 PM

I'm not really noticing any great difference to be honest. Although I suppose it does reflect down extra light that would otherwise be wasted so it's giving me a little extra value on the electricity I'm using. I've never seen anyone else using one though.

Zoidberg

10-21-2006, 04:53 PM

Hello again, today is day 39. After I flushed the other 2 plants, they've started to catch up to the remaining plant. They're all about 10 inches tall now and I can see the early signs of sex forming, looks why we have 3 females :) Although I'd say it'll be another few days until I know for sure and can see the white hairs. They're also starting to smell a bit skunky if I smell the latest growth, and it smells very nice indeed. Not much else to report though, I'm starting to think I'll have to transplant into bigger pots again, what do you think? Here's the pics anyway.

virgin-grower21

10-21-2006, 06:36 PM

im on week one of my first grow i went for the nft system but found out once i bought it that it didnt fit in my cubbord so there is mistake one. i started my seeds off in jiffy pellets and once they came through i gave them some light im useing a 500 watt sodium light with reflector so any because i cant use my nft system at this time i opted for the natural way in soil so i went out and bought some mirical grow soil and transfered my seedlings into 5 4 inch pots sadley after two days 3 of them just fell over and died so im left with 2 very strong plants which i have named karma and lucy seems as tho they are femanised seeds i started with. but on day 5 the two leaves on the top of each plant the ones that have all the nutreant in have gone a bit yellow on the edges why is this i dont want to kill these two as well ive looked in the growers bible but cant find the souce of the problem can any one help me please many thanks

Zoidberg

10-21-2006, 09:48 PM

Hi virgin-grower21,

pictures would help but if I understand your post correctly, you are feeding the 5 day old plants with nutes already? If so, this is a bad idea. You should not use nutes until the plants are around 2 or 3 weeks old. That would be the problem there, they're not ready for nutes. Flush them with ph balanced water (no nutes) and hopefully they'll be ok. (I'm not sure if you were referring to the seed leaves though).

However, if I've misunderstood your post and you are not using nutes yet, it could be heat stress caused by having your lamp too close to the plants. 5 day old plants aren't strong enough to be blasted by a 500 watt HPS light, make sure it's a good metre away from the top of you plants for a while and then move it down gradually over a week or so.

Another problem could be the heat. A HPS in a closet could cause it to be very hot in there, perhaps too hot. Either way man, I can only recommend that you read, read, read as this is pretty basic stuff and can be found all over the forums.

Good luck.

hudson88

10-22-2006, 07:31 PM

Looking good zoid, that flush certainley seems to have helped. I don't know much about easybud, how long do they take to flower? Are they more indica? Yeah i'd start thinking about tranferring to bigger pots soon, don't think it's urgent but the sooner you do it the easier it will be, i've left one of mine longer than i should, kinda scared of hurting it now as its gonna be a little awkward. Oh and i let my pots get quite dry before transplanting, find its easier when they ain't so heavy and the soil don't break up much either keeping the roots undamaged, but i do gently seperate them around the sides a little so they can grow into the new soil easily. Dunno if i've read to do that or i just thought it would be a good idea, but it dosn't seem to do them any harm.

Keep up the good work ;)

Peace :rasta:

Zoidberg

10-23-2006, 06:58 PM

Cheers man. Easy bud is a indica/sativa mix (according to an overgrow strain guide) but it must be about 90% indica at least. I'm off on hols Sunday so I'm gonna have to get more soil and bigger pots this weekend! They're gonna be frickin' huge when I get back. I don't want to flower them until then because I've never flowered before and who knows what could happen. Still, that's a solid 2 months + of vegging, hopefully it'll pay off in terms of yield. Flowering is supposed to be 7/8 weeks so I think I'll overshoot Christmas by a few weeks! New year smokes!

Tommygirl

10-23-2006, 07:08 PM

Hey, nice plants, man. You can flip to 12/12 as soon as they show preflowers because then they'll be sexually mature.

Zoidberg

10-23-2006, 07:33 PM

Thanks. Yeah that would be now. I've got to decide whether to continue the veg period or flower now as my friend looks after my babies when I'm away. I'm thinking the vegging would be safer. Arggh, decisions! I know I'm gonna drive myself crazy thinking about my plants when I should be enjoying a mojito on the beach! :stoned:

Anathema2121

10-23-2006, 09:10 PM

You should set up a screen of green and have your friend keep them in veg til you get back. Think of the buds.....lol nothing gives me a hard-on like a nice even field of nugs

Zoidberg

10-23-2006, 10:33 PM

DamianLucifer

10-24-2006, 01:25 AM

Nice grow:) 400 hps rocks:) When overgrow was up I read a few threads about 12/12 from seed I switched to 12/12 as soon as I got some rooted clones of all my plants kept track of which was which and as soon as I knew for sure A plant was a male or hermy chopped it Then the other plants I had for mothers if I got a good one:) I was growing from bagseed that I got from some killer mids

Anathema2121

10-24-2006, 02:34 AM

Yeah not a bad idea. I've read a bit about scrog, not fully understanding it though. Do I just set up the screen a few inches above my plants right now and let them grow through (in veg)? Seems like it would be a bitch when it comes to flushing though.

Yeah, as the plant grows up through the screen, you pull it back down and spread it out instead of up. Thus, the plant grows horizontally until it fills up the screen. You want to put 1 to 2 bud sites (tops) per hole. Then when you start flowering you quit pulling it down. This makes all the flowers grow up through the holes in an even canopy, so all of them get equal light and all grow big. No single big colas and little buds. You get feilds of buds. Do a search for some good grows on here. Actually, I'll do that and get back to you in a minute :) It would be a pain to flush but the increase in yeild is crazy. You could always just top....lol I went with low stress training but its all about preference. You could put a large tray under them for flushing and have them sitting up on a raised table that could drain (like the one I had in my CFL room) it wouldn't be hard. Let me know what you decide :rasta:

turtle420

10-24-2006, 11:49 AM

Hey Zoidberg,
Nice man. :)
We like. ;)

Anathema2121

10-24-2006, 02:39 PM

My god zoidberg, i found that post I was looking for. This is done with a 400 watt hps like you got.......
http://boards.cannabis.com/showthread.php?t=52326

In this pic its only 3 plants.
(pic originally posted by Justaseed)

Zoidberg

10-28-2006, 07:03 PM

That scrog does look amazing. Perhaps next grow :)

Well dudes, this is my last post for a while as I'm going on vacation tomorrow. The plants are doing well and I transplanted them into huge square pots today. I'm hoping they'll be monsters when I come back. That's when I start to flower :)

Cheers for all your help so far. Take it easy and I'll be in touch with an update when I get back in a few weeks. Keep it green!

Byeeeeeee!

Zoidberg

11-15-2006, 07:46 PM

Well hello there, the plants have now been vegging for 8 weeks and are officially monsters :) I am also back from vacation. I've flipped the timer to 12/12 now and should be looking forward to some new year smokes! My friend did a good job looking after them while I was away. There's a few lowering yellow leaves but nothing to get too concerned about, there's more lush green in there than anything else. Unfortunately, I saw a few small flies buzzing about but they don't seem to have caused much damage that I'm aware. Still, they'd be better off dead. Any advice on how to go about this?

And finally, some piccies! I'm still a bit shattered from the flight so they're not the best but you should be able to get the idea :)

Zoidberg

12-04-2006, 07:11 PM

Hello gentlemen, hope you don't mind if I give my aging thread a bump!

*BUMP*

I'm now into week 3 of flowering. I'll post some pics tomorrow perhaps. All is going well, I have a little yellow/brown lower leaf issue but nothing too major. Think it could be a MG problem but I'm working on it! :) I also picked up a microscope in anticipation of harvest time!

I have also been planning grow 2!

I've purchased 15 sensi seeds northern lights as well as this: http://www.basementlighting.com/Merchant2/merchant.mv?page=1/PROD/EL2004

If you remember the thread from the start, I had originally started off in the wardrobe but now that's gonna be my veg area with 4 x vegging envirolights! Continual harvest. Oooh yes.

Anyway guys, I may not have been around much since my vacation but that's a habit I plan to change. As always, any thoughts or comments are massively appreciated!

Thanks,

Z

Weed_Smoka

12-04-2006, 10:44 PM

good luck with that man
looks like a good smoke dude!

Splifted

12-04-2006, 10:55 PM

Hey man, glad to have you back. BTW, my old screen name had those black flowers as my avatar, since you probably don't recognize me. But yeah, my girls are on week 3 of flowering, started them on 12/12 on nov 11th. Can't wait to see new pics

cuzz305

12-05-2006, 05:38 AM

some pictures asap

hudson88

12-06-2006, 12:29 AM

Hey zoid, your plants are looking good, get some updated pics up tho ;)
I'm jealous of the envirolite you're getting, that things a beast :) Was thinking bout my next grow a couple of days ago, reckon i'm gonna try northern lights too, like that it stays short and don't smell too much.

Zoidberg

12-09-2006, 06:54 PM

Hey guys, sorry I haven't gotten round to the pictures yet! So damn busy and the camera has gone haywire :/ Tomorrow though for sure!

Zoidberg

12-09-2006, 07:46 PM

Actually, ignore the above because I've just gone and taken pictures!

So, the plants are doing great, things have gone better than I could have hoped. They're at the start of flowering week 4. I think there may be a minor N deficiency (a little too early) but I'm taking steps to combat that (might even post in the plant probs section about that). Anyway. 2 of the plants are champs! 1 tall, 1 small and bushy.

I have also begun the next grow :) Sensi seeds northern lights. I got the envirolites and reflector I linked to above but the bloody thing is huge. It's won't fit in my wardrobe so I'm just running a temp set-up with 2 envirolites at the moment. I was in a grow shop today and I was looking to get a smaller tent for veg so I can actually use the envirolite reflector :) Hopefully in about two weeks, I'll have one!

Anyway pictures, I have a lot so I'll have to post some in a following post:

Pic 1 - new grow. My temp setup! I know I don't need the lights on but I've just put this together and I'm giving it a trial.

Pic 2 - the gang.

Pic 3 - Closer luck at the top half of the tallest plant (Chuckina Norris)

Pic 4 - The smallest plant. Nice amount of bud sites :)

Pic 5 - Ooops, exact same thing from a slightly different angle!

see next post.....

Zoidberg

12-09-2006, 07:51 PM

Pic 1 - The middle plant! Not the healthiest of the bunch for sure. See the lower yellowing? I can handle that. It's the yellowing middle leaf that disturbs me slightly, I've only just noticed that now this instant. Hmm, think it could still an N prob? Any thoughts?

Pic 2 - The middle plant's top portion, still coming along at a satisfactory rate.

Pic 3 - A closeup of the smallest plant! Nice and bushy!

Pic 4 - Final Group shot before I closed up the tent.

Cannot fucking wait to harvest these babies! :D

Any thoughts? Comments?

Thanks for reading this far folks.

Jedi Hash

12-09-2006, 09:30 PM

Just read through your whole log, Zoidberg. Looking good, man. I'm glad you didn't have to cut them down before you went on vacation. Keep up the good work and keep up the posts!

aznson01

12-09-2006, 09:53 PM

hey whered u get ur hps at? check out my grow, looks like ur doin real good

Zoidberg

12-10-2006, 11:18 AM

Cheers guys. I was messing with my timer last night and they got an extra 2 hours of light than they should have! Shite! :( Ah well, shit happens!

In other news, 10 of 16 NL seedlings have started to show :) I might start a different log for that though.

Anyway, I got my ballast at a grow shop in Dublin but the cool tube reflector was purchased at basementlighting.com.

Zoidberg

12-19-2006, 08:17 AM

Quick update, I came home last night and the yellowness had progressed quite a bit! I don't know if it was a lack of N or nute burn but I flushed just to be safe with ph'ed water, I gave them a foliar feed with biobizz fish mix (high N) to see if it rectifies the problem. The buds are forming nicely and I know that the plants will go a bit yellow by harvest time but this is way to early, they still have at least 2/3 weeks left to go before harvest.

Anyone got any ideas how I can rectify this? I'll post pics later.

hudson88

12-19-2006, 11:37 AM

Hey zoid, i wouldn't of thought it was nute burn, i'd say you're right suspecting low N, I could well be wrong tho. I'd of done the same, a flush and a dose of N. Give it a couple of days and hopefully the yellowing will have stopped.

Peace :rasta:

Zoidberg

12-19-2006, 07:42 PM

Cheers for the reassurance mate. Tomorrow, they will be flowering 5 weeks so almost, almost there....

Here's a few pics of one plant for an example exhibiting the symptoms. Plus a nice bud shot so its not all doom and gloom :)

Splifted

12-19-2006, 08:14 PM

Hey man, as long as its just the bottom leaves, I wouldn't sweat it too hard. If it starts spreading all over the plant, you might have a problem though. Overall, the girls are looking spectacular. This past saturday was the end of week 5 flowering for me, so I'm just a couple days ahead of you. These last 3 weeks is where it gets really exciting, at least from what I read thats when they pack on the weight.

http://www.drugs-forum.com/growfaq/97.htm

That link is to the "Plant Abuse Chart" which is a great too for diagnosing plant problems. It has pictures of leaves from plants that are having too little/too much nutrients, what is wrong with them, and how to correct it. Bookmark it, it comes in handy :jointsmile:

Zoidberg

01-03-2007, 07:18 PM

Good day all. Today is day 49 of flower. I've been reading up on easy bud and though the breeder says flowering is 8 weeks, anyone who has grown it goes for longer. That means an additional week on the nutes for these babies before a final flush!

I've also been meaning to get my Northern Lights grow on here but I figure what's the rush, they're only 22 days old and the first month or so of a grow log is boring anyway :)

Anyway, here's some pictures of the main plant - Chuckina Norris! Any thoughts, fire them my way. Chop chop in 2 weeks depending on the trichs! :jointsmile:

Zoidberg

01-04-2007, 07:18 PM

*Bump*

Where's the love? :( Pic 3 is sugar coated lovliness and my proudest photographic moment!

;)

I wanna chop these bastards down!!!! The next month of finishing, harvest, drying and curing is gonna kill me!

Abattoir Dream

01-04-2007, 07:35 PM

they look fuckin sweet man... dont worry bout yellowing leaves, by the end the plant will probably eat 80%ish of its leaves, just like that one in the pic, nute burn usually shows on the tips and edges of leaves first....good luck :)

p.s. pic 3 is nice, but i prefer pic 5 for some reason...

Splifted

01-04-2007, 08:53 PM

Wow zoidberg, those look absolutely outstanding. Those pictures made me drool on my keyboard a little bit.

Zoidberg

01-04-2007, 09:54 PM

Cheers for comments lads. In return, have a listen to this reworking of Dr. Dre's 'Bitches Aint Shit' :) http://www.sonymusic.com/clips/selection/fu/071897/071897_01_01_full_100.asx I've been listening it while I was doing a bit of gardening. Not what you'd expect :D I thik the babies above are gonna go to 9 weeks + Most trichs are clear and 70% of the pistils are still white. Ah patience, where are you when I need ya!

Just A Beginner

01-05-2007, 10:33 PM

Zoidberg, lovely plants !! Hope my turn out even half as good as those, i'll be very happy, is this your first grow ?

Zoidberg

01-06-2007, 11:28 AM

Splifted

01-06-2007, 03:10 PM

Thanks, yeah this is my 1st grow. I started back in September with a crappy setup and from a lot of reading here I gradually learned and improved my setup. Looking back at the 1st posts in this thread, I didn't have a clue - "Do I need ventilation"...Doh! I'm actually surprised that it went so smoothly actually. When I started, my attitude was "I know I'm going to screw up but I don't care because this is my learner grow" so it's quite nice that it all went well.

Haha man, I feel you. Same problems as you, 1st grow, started september, upgraded my setup as I learned/went along, and now I think we're having to go 9 full weeks of flower too lol. And patience, what's that? :D Its driving me nuts man, one more week!

lil josh

01-06-2007, 04:11 PM

hey Zoid, ive just read all through this thread and its fucking great, i want to start growing but living with my mum its pretty impossible. i didnt think i would be able to post on your thread before your babys were done so im glad i can.

lol it must be funny looking back on the first post of this thread lol and also looking at the pics of your 7inch high plants in that massive tent lol.

good luck mate :)

Zoidberg

01-06-2007, 09:30 PM

Hi Josh, yeah the classic overkill photo haha :) Thanks for the comments

http://boards.cannabis.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=91052&d=1159699074

Spliffy, check out the photo below! I got me a new roll tray, grinder and prep materials! God damn! I need to use them now. Also, see the little Roor jar? That's a LARGE stash jar, I though it would actually be large and I could cure my buds in it. Er, obviously not! haha I may use it for transport of some smaller nugs! :pimp: The cigarette box is a little scales I picked up as well. I have no plans to deal but damn, I want to measure my yield! Out of shot is my dvd copy of Robot Chicken, can't wait to get smoked and watch it!

In other news, pistils on the plants are still mostly white and the buds are continuing to fatten! I think there's still a bit of time in these with a nice yield at the end.

lil josh

01-07-2007, 01:58 AM

lol nice rolling tray was ogna pick 1 up at ma local market lol didnt bother tho ma desk is good enough lol

Bree1978

01-08-2007, 05:57 AM

You're plants are astonishing in basic..thanks for the good read...good tray too. B

Zoidberg

01-08-2007, 09:49 PM

Cheers for the kind comments man. Stay tuned for harvest lol

Sooooooooooooon!!!

hempplaya

01-08-2007, 09:56 PM

just got done reading through and damn you ended up with a nice looking crop afterall...good job. can't wait to grow my own for the first time but unfortunately with college and living at home that's gonna have to wait for a few years still :(

lil josh

01-08-2007, 10:03 PM

lmao just looked at that picture again and i swear its got funnier lol

Splifted

01-08-2007, 10:32 PM

Sick tray man, I'm sure you can't wait to break it in. Lol, I love the scale box.

Zoidberg

01-12-2007, 09:34 PM

Well I flushed yesterday and took a little sample bud which I dried out in the microwave. It was actually pretty damn nice and I certainly felt it. I haven't smoked anything in months though so no surprise there :) Here's a pic of my lil bud! No amber trichomes yet! :stoned: I think this is going to be a pleasant smoke once it has been dried and cured. Last night's joint was smooth and tasty despite the drying method!

Jedi Hash

01-13-2007, 04:15 AM

Shame, shame, Zoidberg!! J/k, i'm in the exact same boat as you. Haven't smoked since August, but my plants are only on day 15 of flowering...

Anyway, looking good, mate! Harvest moon is almost here...

Zoidberg

01-18-2007, 06:57 PM

Almost.....

Anyway, I'm in week 9 of flowering now and no amber trichomes just yet. They're all cloudy/clear. There's still some bud fattening going on! Wish I had kept them on the nutes for an extra week now but no matter. Here's some piccies for your viewing pleasure :) A group shot and the main cola of each plant. Anyone care to guesstimate how long more I'll be waiting til peak harvest?

hemp69

01-18-2007, 08:00 PM

there goes some nice budddddsss!!! smoke a j for me :jointsmile:

Zoidberg

01-21-2007, 02:23 PM

HARVEST TIME!

Well, I found a really underdeveloped seed in a taster bud and it seems the seed manufacturer was right, easy bud does hermie beyond 8 weeks of flower. They advised to harvest when this happens so I did. I found a few underdeveloped male flowers but no more seeds :)

Anyway, harvesting is a bitch! It took me a few hours to do just 3 plants!!! But it'll be worth it! :-) Here's some pics after I had manicured and hung all my buds up to dry :) Was almost sad to cut my babies down!

Thanks to everyone who gave me advice and comments on here, I wouldn't have had a fucking clue what to do otherwise. Cheers bros! The next j is for you.

Midnight Toking

01-21-2007, 03:35 PM

DAM ZOID you own me a keyboard I went and drooled all over it and now it wont work.... KILLER JOB MAM ..... LOOKS WONDERFUL

hudson88

01-21-2007, 05:54 PM

Wow zoid, thats some good looking shit! You'll have to do an update when it's dry, let us know the weight and your verdict on how it smokes! Have you got your next grow planned yet? Congrats, i'm sure you'll enjoy the fruits of your hard work ;)

Peace :rasta:

invision

01-21-2007, 05:56 PM

excellent first grow, you seem to know how to get by and its only easier from here, next time look into LST its worth all the effort and gives amazing reults

barry buds

01-21-2007, 08:34 PM

Zoidberg

01-22-2007, 06:55 PM

Cheers folks! :)

Hudson88 - I'll be back with the weight at the weekend hopefully, and the cured smoke report a week later :) Next grow is sensi seeds northern lights. That grow is actually about 40 days along and there's 10 plants that haven't shown sex. I just haven't started a log yet. It's pretty boring until they hit flowering anyway. I'll start that log once I finish drying the easybud in the tent.

Invision - funny you should mention LST...all my NLs are being trained as we speak. I'm using the metal-hook-instead-of-string technique though. Looking good so far if I do say so myself. Keep an eye out for a thread about those in the next few weeks.

TheBudBuster

01-23-2007, 05:17 PM

woot... fantastico. i hope mine turn out just like yours.. aldo their different strains.. was it three plants in total under 1 400w with nutes ..

Peace
TBB

Zoidberg

01-23-2007, 07:21 PM

Hey TBB, that's right, 3 easybuds under one 400w HPS using Biobizz soil and nutes. The lights, nutes and soil were all bought on our very own Capel St! It's not just sex shops any more :D Well, I also grabbed a few pots in the temple bar place as well.

My only regret is not starting with more seeds :(

smokin dope

01-24-2007, 06:47 AM

hey thats great! cant wait to see the yield dry!

Zoidberg

01-29-2007, 11:37 AM

Hi everyone, the weight report is in! I got 2.83333.... ounces dry. This does not include any taster buds or the few grammes of smaller bud I quick-dried. I believe it would have been around 3 ounces even if I hadn't smoked some already :D Here's a couple of pics of the tried bud going into the curing jars :)

bombdiggity

01-30-2007, 04:14 AM

wow man looks amazing.. im starting my first grow this weekend (tiki mix seeds) - and I hope I have as much success as you :)

be sure to let us know how the cured buds smoke

Bree1978

01-30-2007, 03:14 PM

Great Log Zoidberg, can't wait to see the sequel. :jointsmile: Bree

orangeman

04-12-2007, 12:26 AM