pisshead
10-23-2004, 06:19 PM
Message #75030 posted by pisshead80 (Info) October 23, 2004 14:07:20 ET
http://www.prisonplanet.tv/Pages/231004_betrayers.html
read those quotes. wow. there's a definite connection between how shallow things are in the world of 'politics.' there's left/right, liberal/conservative...divide and conquer and how far this country has fallen.
the mainstream is used to sell both 'sides' what they want them to see, and they frame the debate, and people argue about petty, unimportant bullshit. they mix in sports scores with terror alerts as they round up thousands of innocent protesters at the republican national convention, in horrible condititions. i wouldn't tell one of those detainees (for over 48 hours at a time in some cases), that they live in a free country, because things like that don't happen in free countries.
it happens everywhere else but here, i know. it could never happen here. i imagine that's been said throughout the world by a lot of innocent people. the tens of millions stalin killed for instance, dwarfing the holocaust. i'm not an anti-semite and don't diminish the significance of the holocaust in germany, but those people in russia suffered worse. and under the same conditions, the same exact conditions and propaganda, that we are seeing today.
they had this device at the RNC called freedom fencing. it was where whole blocks of city streets full of people would be rounded up. they would enclose them in this 4 foot high fencing, capturing even people who were just getting food and weren't even protesters, and took them to an old bus depot with grease and toxic chemicals 2 inches thick, with nowhere to sit, sometimes handcuffed behind their backs for hours on end, with their eyes covered (like the treatment at guantanamo bay, hence the name given to it, guantanamo on the hudson). and people emerged with chemicals all over their clothes and chemical burns on thier bodies, and were denied treatment.
from women in their 60's to teens whose parents couldn't contact them for days in some cases, people were indiscriminately taken to the prison.
yeah, that sounds like freedom. that's actually martial law, but torog or rightnut (who's actually dictatorshipnut, as there is no left and right), would call it freedom. they also would break peoples' cameras and ruin film. they would harrass those without media passes who were taping, as if having a video camera is illegal. there's thousands of cameras watching the people of NYC, why can't the people of NYC film back? if we should have nothing to hide...
sorry for the rant, but both sides who watch foxnews or cnn are being lied to, and recognize the other sides' lies, but not their own. they don't think for one second the same propaganda techniques that have been mastered by the military and pentagon and the news corporations that tell the 'left' lies, is also lying to the 'right.'
it's more of a case of lying by ommission and framing the debate, and not discussing important issues like the FTAA and UNESCO which bush signed us back onto, hardly conservative of him. but you'll bash the UN all the while they're taking over our schools and national parks are becoming world heritage sights. but you don't hear about the latter. that information is ommitted from both sides discussion.
like the federal reserve. neither side seems to mind the private run for profit corporate federal reserve that sells us our money at interest. if the national debt were paid off totally, there would be no money in circulation. ZERO MONEY, NO CASH, NOTHING. ours is a system of control based on debt. and there are other options. it's not like we're married to the federal reserve. such institutions usually crumble historically when the people figure out the scam.
so who are the betrayers of America? i'd say it's those who wish to see innocent protesters imprisoned, not thinking for a second it could or won't happen to them. or those who can't see beyong the left/right paradigm, which further stalls the real debates, and allows our country's sovereignty to be treatied and legislated away, totally ignoring the history, and the empire it grew out of. we are now returning to that empire, but we are told it's great. people don't understand the consequences, and live in the now, and don't understand the aims of the global government that's not wide open. it should be obvious.
i hope what i'm saying isn't true, history says otherwise, but more people are waking up to the local corruption. the voting scams, the toll road scams, the land grab scams, smart growth, the drug war, the obvious loss of freedoms. you're in airport and the screener wants to feel your wife's breasts for weapons or terrorist devices, in front of other people. i'm sorry, but that sounds more like nazi germany to me. why should i accept that? because we're in a war on terror. just because we're in this war on terror doesn't mean we should throw the constitution out, and talk of those who speak for it as nutjobs. the nutjobs are those who have no questions for their leaders, and accept everything because they have an R or a D next to their name. shame on them.
torog lumps badnarik in with liberals, when he can't even comprehend that badnarik is more conservative than he could imagine or ever aspire to be. but he buys the lies his side tells him, and can't even distinguish between reality and this staged, framed debate.
i'll stop now.
here's the actual article:
Betrayers of Freedom
Charley Reese | Oct 23 2004
Dwight D. Eisenhower, who spent his life in the Army before being twice elected commander in chief, was about 100 times smarter than the present occupant of the White House.
Here are a few quotes from Eisenhower that are relevant to America today:
"If all that Americans want is security, they can go to prison. They'll have enough to eat, a bed and a roof over their heads. But if an American wants to preserve his dignity and his equality as a human being, he must not bow his neck to any dictatorial government."
"Don't join the book burners. Don't think you are going to conceal faults by concealing evidence that they ever existed."
This next one is particularly applicable to George Bush and fanatic partisans.
Eisenhower said: "Without exhaustive debate, even heated debate, of ideas and programs, free government would weaken and wither. But if we allow ourselves to be persuaded that every individual or party that takes issue with our own convictions is necessarily wicked or treasonous, then, indeed, we are approaching the end of freedom's road."
Eisenhower, though a soldier, kept us out of war and built the nuclear deterrent that protected Americans long after he was gone. Here is what he thought of war:
"I hate war as only a soldier who has lived it can, only as one who has seen its brutality, its futility, its stupidity." That's not unlike a statement made by another warrior, Gen. William Sherman, who said in a public speech: "There is many a boy here today who looks on war as all glory, but, boys, it is all hell. You can bear this warning voice to generations yet to come. I look upon war with horror." Nobody can ever accuse Sherman of being a softie. He was brutal in the extreme in his pursuit of victory.
Perhaps President Bush would likewise view war with horror if he had chosen to join John Kerry in the jungles of Vietnam. Instead, he chose to party in Texas and Alabama. The point is not whether he fulfilled his National Guard duties. The point is he chose, unlike Kerry, to avoid going to Vietnam. So did Vice President Dick Cheney and a lot of other Republican chicken hawks, like former Rep. Newt Gingrich.
As for Kerry's anti-war activities, he simply shared the same opinion of war as Eisenhower and Sherman because he had seen it and experienced it. Nobody can look back on the Vietnam War â?? which gained America nothing but 58,000 dead, a quarter of a million wounded and a divided country â?? and honestly say that Kerry wasn't right when he opposed it.
As for all these chicken hawks in the administration and the media who condemn anti-war folks as treasonous or disloyal, it is they, as Eisenhower pointed out, who are the betrayers of freedom. America is a lot closer today to fascism than it is to a free republic. When Americans can no longer voice dissenting opinions without being victims of character assassination, then indeed we are nearing the end of freedom's road.
I wish there were some way we could gather up all these chicken hawks, put them on a plane with rifles and parachutes and dump them out over Fallujah. If they're so enthusiastic about war, they ought to participate in it. Instead, they are like a bunch of kids urging someone else to fight so they can be entertained. There is hardly a more contemptible role a human being can play than being a vicarious warrior.
Too many Americans today are allowing a bunch of draft dodgers and chicken hawks to scare them with the boogeyman into giving up everything that makes this country worth fighting for.
If the president cannot fight terrorism and preserve American freedom at the same time, then he's obviously in a job well over his head. Instead of telling senators who disagree with them to go "fâ?? â??" themselves, we should be saying that to the terrorists. We should be telling the terrorists that nothing they can do will make us abandon our free society, that we can argue at home and fight them at the same time.
Someone once said that modern man stands on the shoulders of giants of the past. I'm afraid today that the mental and moral midgets standing on the shoulders of giants are a light load.
http://www.prisonplanet.tv/Pages/231004_betrayers.html
read those quotes. wow. there's a definite connection between how shallow things are in the world of 'politics.' there's left/right, liberal/conservative...divide and conquer and how far this country has fallen.
the mainstream is used to sell both 'sides' what they want them to see, and they frame the debate, and people argue about petty, unimportant bullshit. they mix in sports scores with terror alerts as they round up thousands of innocent protesters at the republican national convention, in horrible condititions. i wouldn't tell one of those detainees (for over 48 hours at a time in some cases), that they live in a free country, because things like that don't happen in free countries.
it happens everywhere else but here, i know. it could never happen here. i imagine that's been said throughout the world by a lot of innocent people. the tens of millions stalin killed for instance, dwarfing the holocaust. i'm not an anti-semite and don't diminish the significance of the holocaust in germany, but those people in russia suffered worse. and under the same conditions, the same exact conditions and propaganda, that we are seeing today.
they had this device at the RNC called freedom fencing. it was where whole blocks of city streets full of people would be rounded up. they would enclose them in this 4 foot high fencing, capturing even people who were just getting food and weren't even protesters, and took them to an old bus depot with grease and toxic chemicals 2 inches thick, with nowhere to sit, sometimes handcuffed behind their backs for hours on end, with their eyes covered (like the treatment at guantanamo bay, hence the name given to it, guantanamo on the hudson). and people emerged with chemicals all over their clothes and chemical burns on thier bodies, and were denied treatment.
from women in their 60's to teens whose parents couldn't contact them for days in some cases, people were indiscriminately taken to the prison.
yeah, that sounds like freedom. that's actually martial law, but torog or rightnut (who's actually dictatorshipnut, as there is no left and right), would call it freedom. they also would break peoples' cameras and ruin film. they would harrass those without media passes who were taping, as if having a video camera is illegal. there's thousands of cameras watching the people of NYC, why can't the people of NYC film back? if we should have nothing to hide...
sorry for the rant, but both sides who watch foxnews or cnn are being lied to, and recognize the other sides' lies, but not their own. they don't think for one second the same propaganda techniques that have been mastered by the military and pentagon and the news corporations that tell the 'left' lies, is also lying to the 'right.'
it's more of a case of lying by ommission and framing the debate, and not discussing important issues like the FTAA and UNESCO which bush signed us back onto, hardly conservative of him. but you'll bash the UN all the while they're taking over our schools and national parks are becoming world heritage sights. but you don't hear about the latter. that information is ommitted from both sides discussion.
like the federal reserve. neither side seems to mind the private run for profit corporate federal reserve that sells us our money at interest. if the national debt were paid off totally, there would be no money in circulation. ZERO MONEY, NO CASH, NOTHING. ours is a system of control based on debt. and there are other options. it's not like we're married to the federal reserve. such institutions usually crumble historically when the people figure out the scam.
so who are the betrayers of America? i'd say it's those who wish to see innocent protesters imprisoned, not thinking for a second it could or won't happen to them. or those who can't see beyong the left/right paradigm, which further stalls the real debates, and allows our country's sovereignty to be treatied and legislated away, totally ignoring the history, and the empire it grew out of. we are now returning to that empire, but we are told it's great. people don't understand the consequences, and live in the now, and don't understand the aims of the global government that's not wide open. it should be obvious.
i hope what i'm saying isn't true, history says otherwise, but more people are waking up to the local corruption. the voting scams, the toll road scams, the land grab scams, smart growth, the drug war, the obvious loss of freedoms. you're in airport and the screener wants to feel your wife's breasts for weapons or terrorist devices, in front of other people. i'm sorry, but that sounds more like nazi germany to me. why should i accept that? because we're in a war on terror. just because we're in this war on terror doesn't mean we should throw the constitution out, and talk of those who speak for it as nutjobs. the nutjobs are those who have no questions for their leaders, and accept everything because they have an R or a D next to their name. shame on them.
torog lumps badnarik in with liberals, when he can't even comprehend that badnarik is more conservative than he could imagine or ever aspire to be. but he buys the lies his side tells him, and can't even distinguish between reality and this staged, framed debate.
i'll stop now.
here's the actual article:
Betrayers of Freedom
Charley Reese | Oct 23 2004
Dwight D. Eisenhower, who spent his life in the Army before being twice elected commander in chief, was about 100 times smarter than the present occupant of the White House.
Here are a few quotes from Eisenhower that are relevant to America today:
"If all that Americans want is security, they can go to prison. They'll have enough to eat, a bed and a roof over their heads. But if an American wants to preserve his dignity and his equality as a human being, he must not bow his neck to any dictatorial government."
"Don't join the book burners. Don't think you are going to conceal faults by concealing evidence that they ever existed."
This next one is particularly applicable to George Bush and fanatic partisans.
Eisenhower said: "Without exhaustive debate, even heated debate, of ideas and programs, free government would weaken and wither. But if we allow ourselves to be persuaded that every individual or party that takes issue with our own convictions is necessarily wicked or treasonous, then, indeed, we are approaching the end of freedom's road."
Eisenhower, though a soldier, kept us out of war and built the nuclear deterrent that protected Americans long after he was gone. Here is what he thought of war:
"I hate war as only a soldier who has lived it can, only as one who has seen its brutality, its futility, its stupidity." That's not unlike a statement made by another warrior, Gen. William Sherman, who said in a public speech: "There is many a boy here today who looks on war as all glory, but, boys, it is all hell. You can bear this warning voice to generations yet to come. I look upon war with horror." Nobody can ever accuse Sherman of being a softie. He was brutal in the extreme in his pursuit of victory.
Perhaps President Bush would likewise view war with horror if he had chosen to join John Kerry in the jungles of Vietnam. Instead, he chose to party in Texas and Alabama. The point is not whether he fulfilled his National Guard duties. The point is he chose, unlike Kerry, to avoid going to Vietnam. So did Vice President Dick Cheney and a lot of other Republican chicken hawks, like former Rep. Newt Gingrich.
As for Kerry's anti-war activities, he simply shared the same opinion of war as Eisenhower and Sherman because he had seen it and experienced it. Nobody can look back on the Vietnam War â?? which gained America nothing but 58,000 dead, a quarter of a million wounded and a divided country â?? and honestly say that Kerry wasn't right when he opposed it.
As for all these chicken hawks in the administration and the media who condemn anti-war folks as treasonous or disloyal, it is they, as Eisenhower pointed out, who are the betrayers of freedom. America is a lot closer today to fascism than it is to a free republic. When Americans can no longer voice dissenting opinions without being victims of character assassination, then indeed we are nearing the end of freedom's road.
I wish there were some way we could gather up all these chicken hawks, put them on a plane with rifles and parachutes and dump them out over Fallujah. If they're so enthusiastic about war, they ought to participate in it. Instead, they are like a bunch of kids urging someone else to fight so they can be entertained. There is hardly a more contemptible role a human being can play than being a vicarious warrior.
Too many Americans today are allowing a bunch of draft dodgers and chicken hawks to scare them with the boogeyman into giving up everything that makes this country worth fighting for.
If the president cannot fight terrorism and preserve American freedom at the same time, then he's obviously in a job well over his head. Instead of telling senators who disagree with them to go "fâ?? â??" themselves, we should be saying that to the terrorists. We should be telling the terrorists that nothing they can do will make us abandon our free society, that we can argue at home and fight them at the same time.
Someone once said that modern man stands on the shoulders of giants of the past. I'm afraid today that the mental and moral midgets standing on the shoulders of giants are a light load.