An Interesting Question

[usedchemicals]

I've wondered this for years:

Is there a way to fool yourself into thinking something that isn't true is? Like for a lie detector test, is there a way to fool your mind so that if you lie, your body doesn't give off the reaction connected to lying?

If no one knows could someone at least post a link?

[cuziwashigh420]

I dont know about the lying detecter but I made myself believe i never had slept with this one guy and i totally forgot i ever had.. then someone said something about it and i remebered... but maybe i jsut forgot then... its prob the weed. im pretty stoned right now too.

[Smokin EnDo]

Lie detection is all based on increasing heart rate. And I have a prime example of forcing yourself to believe myth. Greek Mythology, Catholcism(any other religion for that matter,THIS IS JUST MY OPINION )

[Fattie]

Yes, there definitely is. You just have to have the self control to do so.

[Cooler Then Jesus]

bi-polar people can pass lie detector tests easily, like if they wennt skitzo and killed somebody, but then snappe dback to reality and didnt remember.

[Gothen]

Yeah, in psychology we learned that the sub-conscious mind is such a powerful thing. If you tell yourself something that you KNOW is a lie, say you told yourself that you smoked...an entire ounce in an hour.

Now the idea is you have to just keep repeating it to yourself, or wonder about it every couple of days, even. Just keep reiterating to yourself than you smoked an ounce in an hour.

A couple months will go by and you won't even really remember that you told yourself to lie to yourself about that, but inadvertenly you're just gonna go, "Man, I can't believe I smoked an entire OUNCE by myself in an hour." out of the blue.

Usually you'll go, "Oh, wait, no, I didn't." Because you'll remember that you were just lying.

The idea is, you can literally make yourself believe anything you want to if you just keep forcing it down your own head.

And yeah, that's all a lie-detector really is. They measure how fast your pulse is for a period of time and then they ask you the questions and if it's anything above what it has been they consider it a fail. Because when someone lies, their heart does a quick beatbeat instead of beat-beat, if that makes any sense?

[Peterb26]

I used to be a compulsive lyer until my lady mj and alex came along. I used to believe my own lies because i have repeated them in my head so often.

[dryst]

its closely related to the placebo effect...

if ur tryin to pass a lie detector just use the thumb tac method...

[crusty old stoner]

As the great George Costanza said "If you believe it, it's not a lie"

[az666]

I read that some people can even change the chemicals in their brains.
Like in a study by Raine (I think) he scanned murderers brains to see if there was any physiological difference in their brains and non-murderers....and there was in most cases but it also said it was possible to change the chemicals to make it look like you wern't a murderers....

I don't know how this is possible and I might have got the studys mixed up...haha

[3 Sheets To The Wind]

You can tell a lie so often that after a while you start believing it.. So it is possible!

[Breukelen advocaat]

I have no idea if it's true, but I once heard that if you don't urinate for a long time your mind can only focus on the urge to do that, so you can lie during a lie detector test and it won't register because you're thoughts are focusd on when you'll be able to get to a bathroom.

Here's some interesting sites about the poygraph:
http://antipolygraph.org
http://www.police-test.net/services.htm

[MrFuzzles]

[quote=Breukelen advocaat]I have no idea if it's true, but I once heard that if you don't urinate for a long time your mind can only focus on the urge to do that, so you can lie during a lie detector test and it won't register because you're thoughts are focusd on when you'll be able to get to a bathroom.


Good thinkin man

[MrFuzzles]

:pimp: :pimp: :dance: :pimp: :pimp:

[benagain]

Yes, I was watching a thing on the brain about this. There are seperate parts of the brain that is used when you lie. There are two kinds of lies that can be detected at the moment. There is the lie that you are aware of and is made up on the spot so to speak, and there is the lie that you may not be aware of, or practised all the answers to. There is some research in catscan type equitment that may be used in the near future to replace the traditional lie detector. As the technology grows, the lie itself will be detected and not the side effects of lying. I wish I wasn't so lazy or I'd try and track down a link to it. I'm sure there's some info out there somewhere on it.

[benagain]

found an entry in wikipedia. Thank got for it

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FMRI

[make it legal]

the brain is a very powerful thing...

[birdgirl73]

Years ago when I worked as a paramedic, we who worked for the fire department all knew a stoner cop who was going through the testing process, including the polygraph, to be promoted within the police department. He would have had a very hard time passing the polygraph with his ongoing history of weed use. So when it came time for his polygraph, he put a thumbtack in the toe of his shoe and practiced answering questions he knew would be on the exam, pressing his big toe down on the thumbtack so his body would reflect a similar stress response on every question. He used the thumbtack trick during the official polygraph. And he passed.

Which was sad, really, because in addition to being a stoner, he was a lying, cheating, married-but-womanizing snake of a guy who probably made the most crooked cop there ever was.

[SocksThaClown]

bi-polar people can pass lie detector tests easily, like if they wennt skitzo and killed somebody, but then snappe dback to reality and didnt remember.

Which is why I'm good at "lying" But it technical isn't lying if I don't remember killing him -err, I mean...

[make it legal]

i think you have the wrong idea of what bipolar is. the mood swings are not sudden, but rather you can go for days and weeks feeling on top of the world, not needing much sleep and feeling overly happy. following will be a long depression

[birdgirl73]

Yeah, sounds more like he was thinking of someone with multiple personality disorder or something, doesn't it?

[Breukelen advocaat]

Not politically correct, but
Christmas Carols for the Psychiatrically Challenged

1. Schizophrenia --- Do You Hear What I Hear?
2. Multiple Personality Disorder --- We Three Queens Disoriented Are
3. Amnesia --- I Don't Know if I'll be Home for Christmas
4. Narcissistic --- Hark the Herald Angels Sing About Me
5. Manic --- Deck the Halls and Walls and House and Lawn and Streets and Stores and Office and Town and Cars and Buses and Trucks and Trees and Fire Hydrants and ...
6. Paranoid --- Santa Claus is Coming to Get Me
7. Borderline Personality Disorder --- Thoughts of Roasting on an Open Fire
8. Full Personality Disorder-- You Better Watch Out, I'm Gonna Cry, I'm Gonna Pout, Maybe I'll tell You Why
9. Obsessive Compulsive Disorder ---Jingle Bells, Jingle Bells, Jingle Bells, Jingle Bells, Jingle Bells, Jingle Bells, Jingle Bells, Jingle Bells, Jingle Bells ...
10. Agoraphobia --- I Heard the Bells on Christmas Day But Wouldn't Leave My House
11. Senile Dementia --- Walking in a Winter Wonderland Miles From My House in My Slippers and Robe
12. Oppositional Defiant Disorder --- I Saw Mommy Kissing Santa Claus So I Burned Down the House
13. Social Anxiety Disorder --- Have Yourself a Merry Little Christmas while I Sit Here and Hyperventilate.
14. Passive Agressive --- Silent Night; On the First Day of Christmas My True Love Gave to Me (and then took it all away).

[birdgirl73]

I like those! I'm going to keep a copy of that. May need it sometime in psychopathology class!

What are you doing up so late, Breuk? I can't sleep. What about you?

[make it legal]

haha lets form a club

[Breukelen advocaat]

I like those! I'm going to keep a copy of that. May need it sometime in psychopathology class!

What are you doing up so late, Breuk? I can't sleep. What about you?




I'm up late a lot - it's even later here.

I'll go to sleep at about 3 AM. I have a routine physical tomorrow. All I want is a blood test, including some extras: Iron, Ferritin, and Gliadin Antibody tests. I also have had a problem on the last test (3/06) with my cholesterol ratio: low HDL cholesterol, at 33, and high LDL at 146 - totalling 224. I'm starving myself tonight until after the test. My Triglycerides were a little high, also, at 224. Hopefully, there will be some improvement since I've been supposidly still healing from the villi damage as a result of many years of Celiac. We had some tests from Enterolab, mailed in to them at their Dallas, TX location, for my wife, and now she's on the Gluten free diet due to the results. This is a one-of-a kind testing facility, mostly for Gluten sensitivity/intolerance. Dr. Kenneth Fine has a patent on some of their techniques:
https://www.enterolab.com/Home.htm

[make it legal]

hey birdgirl is it actually truue that if you go to bed late and wake up late, its bad for your body even if you geta full 8 hours?

[birdgirl73]

I don't know, but I wouldn't think so. I've never read or heard anything like that. Seems to me that it'd be better to get plenty of sleep no matter when you wake up.