The Chicken Killers!!!

[RESiNATE]

Man, that is the LAST time I ever do THAT job :(

I had to drive a lorry to a chicken farm last night, and collect some chickens for slaughter. Geez, what an eye-opener.
There were these sheds (about 20meters x 80meters), and the floors were covered with live chickens - like a carpet! There were 5 sheds.
They are kept in these sheds from hatching to about 40days old. Their light is artificial and set to timers. In other words, the only true daylight that they see, is in the back of the truck as they go to the 'killing machine', as it is called.
When I arrived, they unloaded the empty containers that were on my wagon. These containers have 4 'drawers' in them (8' x 3'), and each 'drawer' holds about 15 or so chickens, which are uncerimoniously rammed in. I had 24 containers, which held a total of 6240chickens! And I was one of 3 wagons that night.
I mean, when they opened the doors to these sheds, I could see the chickens covering the floor of the shed, so these blokes had to clear a way so that they could a) get the containers in, and b) load the containers - they were kicking the poor feckers out of the way...sickening.
I know that these creatures know no different (ie, they're not free-range), but ffs...
Anyways, I learnt that, I was not supposed to stop for any length of time on the return journey, because where they are packed so tightly, the body heat that they generate would literally 'cook' them! The trailor, incidentally, is as open air as it can be, but even so!

40 days old, man!

I am NEVER doing that job again...no matter how much they pay me.
I like animals, and think that sometimes, us humans show too little compassion when it comes to breeding for food.

I'm not a veggie, but I now have a better insight into how those KFC buckets, that we all like so much, come about:

40 days of living in a shed, with just enough room to shuffle your feet about, and no sunlight (or rain, for that matter), then a 3 hour journey on the back of a ricketty old truck, followed by a trip into the 'killing machine'.
They were as quiet as mice, when I got back to the abbortoir...I just filled in my tacho, and left...don't wanna see how the 'killing machine' works, thank you very much.

Chickens go in.....pies come out!

Macabre

[buddymyfriend]

But damn, that roast chicken tastes gooood!!

[Lulu]

Aww I know Res:(
Call me pathetic but I find it all very upsetting.
You ever see the calves in veal crates?
Now that's some disturbing shit :eek:
We're the only Italian restaurent I know of that doesn't have veal on the menu - I just think it's too cruel

[RESiNATE]

Yeah, but I guess it's the product of humans' need for diversity.
Why not just stick to proper beef, ratherthan all this new-fangled dross that people like Jamie Oliver promote.
When I found out about how they 'make' veal (if you know what I mean), I was disgusted...sheesh, we get upset by people like Hitler and Saddam, at the way they have treated people, and yet do not think twice about what we do to animals inthe name of a 'good' meal.

I know that these animals are bred for food, but there is no need to subject them to abject torture and misery.
Just let em graze in a field and have some kind of life (as appreciation for their lives), but to hold them up in dingy, tight spaces, with no light or room to move, is just bordering on barbaric.
Those chickens know nothing other than the interior of those sheds - imagine how they must feel as they zoom down the road on the back of a lorry, looking at all the fields and sunlight (well, not today, as it was raining on a biblical scale), thinking to themselves.."Shit, wtf is all this...this is great!"

Then ...*THWUMP*
Zinger Tower Burger!!!

[Lulu]

From 3 days to 16weeks that's where they live ~ kept in darkness for 22hours a day :(

http://www.davekopel.com/env/Calf-Cruelty-is-Not-Necessary.htm

[RESiNATE]

Hmmm...
*frowns*

I admit, I eat meat (well, occasionally lol) -and I like it.
But, I don't like the cruelty that those beast have to endure. And it's no good some farmer type coming up and telling me that it's humane...bollocks...those pictures are proof of that :(

Maximum profits and stuff, init!
money money money money money
Shit, I have nearly broken my ankle to avoid stepping on a beetle, in my time.....and have lost count of the close calls that I've had with rabbits and the like, that do not use the green cross code lol
A life is a life, no matter where it comes in the food chain..rspect is due, and should be adhered to. They give their lives (not by choice, true) to feed us - the least we can do is to make their short lives as pleasant as we can.

Book 'em all into the Savoy, or summat, as a last minute treat lol

[maryjanemama]

Yikes!!! I'm proud to be a veggie...sometimes I eat meat but very rarely because I feel like vomiting afterward.

We raise chickens but not for meat, for our own amusement. It is so cool to see colorful birds walking around the property and the kids adore them. A weasel just snuck up through the floor boards (last night or in early morning). So, until repairs can be made tomorrow, the baby peeps will be spending the night in our house. They are sooo cute, no feathers, yet, just down. Fluffy little things. Wish I had a camera to show you. :( My husband, a "manly man" mechanic was devastated to find baby chicken bits this morning and vowed to keep the rest of them alive, whcih involves chickens in my home. But, I swear he'll cry if I don't let him bring them inside!

[mikee1422]

Man that's some fucked up shit is all I can say....

[ineedskillz]

I know you all prob/ don't want to here this .... But I was a chicken catcher for a while
in my youth.. When loading the trucks the catchers have to bring 8 of them at a time..
No word of a lie it sounds like there screaming "help me help me"...The smell from there urine and feces is almost overwhelming... Also if you kick one right under it's beak It's head will fly off..And yes they still do run around with no head for a few moment after being decapitated..I was like 16 years old when I did this so plz don't hold this against me...

[Imotep]

when we eat animals with such disturbed souls...
fucjk, im a hippy.
anyhoo one day i'll be a farmer and all my animals will be eaten but theyll have good lives, livin as nature intended.
industrial farmer gives me the shits.
that goes for hydro too.
liberate the mulplant
fuck i am a hippy :eek:

[Euphoric]

When people tell me about their loved ones passing away, my sympathy is always subdued with the thought..yes..but who did you have for lunch today? The horrors of the meat industry is a never ending nightmare of death and torment. Im happy to be a vegetarian! I lost 20+ pounds and i look and feel great! :)


Leading scientists are now proving that what we eat directly affects the quality of our lives. While animal foods contribute to cancer, heart disease, obesity, and many other top killers, a vegetarian diet can make us healthier.


this is free!;)
http://www.vegetarianstarterkit.com/

[Bro DZ]

shit, i cut out the carbs and just ate meat for like two weeks and i dropped 15 pounds... still havent gained that back even though i have diversified my food intake.

I'm just glad i won the genetic jackpot... I don't feel sorry for shit :cool:

nope, too damn cool for that. No remorse guys, for anything. You'll just be happier that way (atleast I'm pretty damn happy that way =oP)

[Euphoric]

which feels better..

being compassionate?
or
being cold?

you cant tell me it feels better to ignore the facts :)


howd you like to live like this..

[Lulu]

Leading scientists are now proving that what we eat directly affects the quality of our lives. While animal foods contribute to cancer, heart disease, obesity, and many other top killers, a vegetarian diet can make us healthier.
this is free!;)
http://www.vegetarianstarterkit.com/
Even cutting animal protein down to twice a week will have significant health and environmental benefits :)

[Euphoric]

compromise? hmmm..much better than nothing at all. good post lulu

[Bro DZ]

I don't ignore the facts Euphoric, I accept them! :p

the only way to succesfully cater to the masses is to breed and raise and slaughter animals inhumanely so thats they way its gonna be. dosent bother me...

or like, say my uncle dies ( i have lost 2 outta 4 uncles so far, thanks a lot crack) I don't dwell on it, i accept it for what it is, death. Theres a certain amount of finality to stuff and when it cant be changed, just go with the flow! Unless you can grow your own food and raise your own chickens and whatnot the squalid conditions livestock shortly endure will never change. I'm sorry if my calm logic bothers anyone, but hey, I am what I am (as quoted by a famous sailor)

:D peace

[Lulu]

Theres a certain amount of finality to stuff and when it cant be changed, just go with the flow! Unless you can grow your own food and raise your own chickens and whatnot the squalid conditions livestock shortly endure will never change.
If everyone thought that way where would we be :confused:

The world is a dangerous place, not because of those who do evil, but because of those who look on and do nothing."
Albert Einstein

[Bro DZ]

If everyone thought that way where would we be :confused:

The world is a dangerous place, not because of those who do evil, but because of those who look on and do nothing."
Albert Einstein
thats where we are, arent we?

[GHoSToKeR]

Lulu, forget Bro DZ, some people just never listen, so forget 'em


Res.. www.meetyourmeat.com (http://www.meetyourmeat.com)

peace

[GHoSToKeR]

oh, by the way, I saw www.meetyourmeat.com (http://www.meetyourmeat.com) a month and 6 days ago (roughly), and I haven't eaten meat since :D

[Bro DZ]

no seriously, if there where more people that gave a damn, animals wouldent be treated so inhumanely.

Unfortunately society as we know it could not exist without such cruelty. If you want nothing to do with it, become a recluse like some members of this board talk about. Otherwise... go with the flow :D

and ghost, come on man, quit trying to discourage people. If i didnt wanna listen to anything at all I wouldent be trying to communicate with my peers. I ahve read and agreed with plenty of stuff written here over the last few months =oP

positivity is supposedly the key to happiness

[Lulu]

I agree with the 'positivity is the key to happiness' comment, that's why it doesn't make sense for you to say we can't change things.
Even when you only do something as small as explaining to the woman at table 6 why veal isn't on the menu. Maybe she hadn't known before that.... maybe she won't feel so good bout eating it again.

Do not overlook tiny good actions, thinking they are of no benefit;
even tiny drops of water in the end will fill a huge vessel.

Do not overlook negative actions merely because they are small;
however small a spark may be,
it can burn down a haystack as big as a mountain

[Bro DZ]

however small a spark may be,
it can burn down a haystack as big as a mountain[/I]


now that would be an awesome bonfire :)

[sawleaf]

I have to agree with BroDZ. Meat has been in the human diet for thousands of years. It's cool if you feel like cutting meat out of your diet, but unfortunately I don't think it's going to save a single animal from slaughter. Millions of people eat meat everyday, yes it's cruel, but it is a necessity in our society.

[maryjanemama]

Yep, Sawleaf, you're right, they're not going to stop killing cows just because some of us don't eat them. In fact, I could give 2 shits about cows...I'm a veggie strictly for my own vanity, it's easier for me to maintain my weight as a vegetarian. And I know this sounds terrible, but cows are possibly the STUPIDEST creatures that roam this Earth. Not that they deserve to be slaughtered or anything...but I don't consider them when I pass on a steak, I consider my ass in a parit of jeans. :)

[Lulu]

But in order to feed all these animals huge areas of land and forests are cleared. There is more energy put into producing a pound of meat than a pound of grain, animals need more water then crops and a pound of grain will feed more people.
Crops can be rotated to give back to the earth (Hemp being an ideal one).

You don't think that small actions can ripple out, and with time create change?

[sawleaf]

I know Lulu, but what can we do? Not much really. We can't just stop the meat buisness one day and put everyone on grain diets. MJM, thinking of your ass in a pair of jeans makes me hungry. Maybe I will cook up a steak now. :)

[RESiNATE]

Wow, I really stirred up a hornets nest of discussion, didn't I?
lol

Everything that everyone has said makes sense, alot of good arguements here. Thanks for the link GHoST - I looked at the blurb, but refrained from watching the vid - mainly because I know mostly what goes on, and don't need tooo see it in graphic detail. Also, I would say that selective images are used to bolster an opinion of one side of the arguement - much in the same way that religious text is selectively used to condemn one order of people against the other.
Or, one man's terrorist, is another man's freedom fighter.

We are a omniverous (is that the right term?) being - fact.
That some choose to abstain from eating meat, is an admirable testament to that person's conviction, and should only be applauded.
I would never presume to say that a vegetarian is any better or worse than I.

It is not the 'cultivation' of animal foodstuffs that (necessarily) concern me, but more to do with the treatment of those creatures that are breed for our 'survival'.
An interesting and good point made on that website (meetyourmeat), was this:

"The purpose of factory farms is to produce the most meat, milk, and eggs using the least amount of space, time, and money. The animals suffer the consequences of these shortcuts. They are never allowed to do anything that is natural to themâ??they are never able to feel the grass beneath their feet, the sun on their faces, or fresh air."

My concern is that greed for monetary wealth, has clouded our morality towards those beasts that make our lives sustainable. Money seems to be prevalent in our view of life - we are more concerned about how much money is accruable, rather than the ramifications of our actions.
Sure, I like eating meat, I make no apologies for that - but I admit that I would much rather see these animals treated with the respect that they are due.
And that is the real issue here - respect, or rather the lack thereof.

I have lived my life with the philosophy that all of us have a right to be here. All of us has a role to play in the 'great game of life' - a roadsweeper is no less of a person than a corporate mogul, nor does any one man stand above the next man.
There is, of course, a flaw to this arguement.
Some people exhibit themselves in such a way that they must forfiet their right to be viewed as equal to the rest of us (rapists, murderers, etc), and those people must be ejected from society - they have no place here in the land of equality.
We are, due to our 'supreme intelligence', the guardians of this beautiful eutopia that we call Earth...unfortunately, we seem to have lost sight of this fact, as greed and selfishness slowly consumes us all.

I wonder what an alien race would think of our 'guardianship', were they to view us from above?
Silly question, I know, but we are the ones that are preventing our step to the next level of consciousness...and all because of tiny bits of paper and metal, that we seem so eager to colect - at any cost - even if that cost is ultimate destruction...ie, if I can't have it, then no one will!
It is a typical human trait that sets us apart from every other living cell on this planet - and quite frankly, it disgusts the hell out of me, and I'm ashamed to be associated with such.

But I, as we all are, are the product of continual brainwashing.
From an early age, we are groomed into being possessive, materialistic, and greedy. Our schooling teaches us, our religions tell us, and as time passes our compassion is slowly bred out of us.
I'm not a hippy-tree-hugging-fanatic, but I do understand (at least I like to think that I do) the natural order of things. I respect everything that I come into contact with (barring the majority of the human race), and like to think that I see the bigger picture.
We only have to look out of our windows, to see that our greed is slowly destroying the very thing that gives us this wonderful PRIVELEDGE of being here.

Rather than think about moderation in our needs, we pillage and ravage this planet for our own needs for the 'here and now', with little or no thought to the consequences of our actions - or at least, not until it's too late (as is often the case).
Global warming, climate change, dwindling resources, and a decaying world - are all the product of our immediate greed. We have ignored the warning that Mother Nature sends us, maybe in the hope that we can avert the disaster before it happens - too late, I'm afraid.

The writing has been on the wall for many many years now, but we have chosen to blind ourselves to the obvious.

Well, just desserts, init!

I only pity the future generations, how ever few are left.

Res...

[Lulu]

I'm not saying every person in the world needs to stop eating meat or that we should be all eating grain diets. I'm vegetarian because that's what I'm confortable with.
Yes when we evolved and grew as a race we ate meat and fresh produce, but we sure weren't eating it everyday, 7 days a week for our entire lives.
Fastfood is generally animal in origin but mass produced and not of a high quality. People are eating and feeding their children crap they don't need, and this horrific death machine is churning away in the background.
People are cooking less and less and buying more convenience foods. I honestly think people need to be rethink.
Kids today will be more prone to kidney and heart problems because of the amount of sodium and saturated fat in their diets. And I dunno whether you've noticed it but there's a lot more kids around with weight issues then when I was at school.
JMHO

[Lulu]

Great post btw Res :D

[Pass The Rizla]

Yeh Res great post man, you sure know what your talking about.

[Bro DZ]

crud, fast food is a ferocious beasty, aint it?

I definetly have to say I agree with Lulu about cooking. To cook is to eat healthy, so long as you cook healthy =oP Fast food is damn near poison... anyone seen Supersize Me yet? that crap they serve people is straight up deadly if thats all you eat...

oh yeah and about a pound of meat Vs a pound of grain... If i was given each of those items I could definetly do more with the meat... I don't know how to do shit with unprocessed grain LoL Meat on the other hand... broil it, BBQ it, saute it, bake it, boil it, eat it raw (tiger chow! yum yum)... and do all that with any number of home grown seasonings and everything... I love meat... meat meat meat meat :D

LoL =oP

[sawleaf]

I don't think that food is entirely to blame for all the people with weight issues. I think it is more our dependence on convenience. Everything is delivered and made easy for people nowdays. Less people are working out. But you are right about the quality of food going down. Crap food is everywhere, but you can still buy quality meat. You can stay healthy and eat meat on a regular basis. If you don't workout and stay in shape then it won't work for you at all. The healthiest I have been is on a solid redmeat diet with carbs cut low. When is the last time you saw a fat carnivore? Couldn't stay on it too long, too damn expensive. I try to shop at organic food stores as much as possible, but I still crave crap food now and then. Who grabs a salad when they have the munchies??? :)

[RESiNATE]

Ha, you make a very good point, Lulu - especially about the convenience foods (of which I am particularly guilty *hangs head in shame*).
It's all about education about what we are doing to ourselves and the world around us.

Cause and effect?

And I totally agree with your 'prediction' of an unhealthy future generation.
I am mindful of the level of sugar intake that I allow my kids, but then I am only there for 3 of the 7days of their week - and I know that the ex often takes them to MCDonalds, which I am not entirely happy about - as it seems to me (in my unbiased :rolleyes: opinion), that it is bourne of a greater laziness than I exhibit, as I do at least try to make an effort at cooking at the weekends for the kids.


But I remember when you (lulu) spoke of your childhood memories, back along, when you told us that your mother was always home when you got home from school.
How many kids today can say the same thing?
It is the way of the world, sadly, which only bolsters my arguement above.
We have lost our sense of values (I am generalising, of course :))

It makes me laugh, when I hear of those great plans to colonise other worlds!
Why?
So we can desimate those planets too?
Better that we try to fix this one first, eh?

Nah, it'll cost too much money............................................. ....
I rest my case lmaoooo

(well, for now anyways mwahhaa)

[RESiNATE]

I try to shop at organic food stores as much as possible, but I still crave crap food now and then. Who grabs a salad when they have the munchies??? :)

Q: what is organic?

And, salads seem to have a general 'stigma' attached to them. I for one rarely think of prepping a salad, but if one is put in front of me, then I invariably enjoy it! Wierd, but there ya go...convenience again, init!

[Lulu]

Q: what is organic?

And, salads seem to have a general 'stigma' attached to them. I for one rarely think of prepping a salad, but if one is put in front of me, then I invariably enjoy it! Wierd, but there ya go...convenience again, init!
http://www.ota.com/organic/definition.html :)

[Euphoric]

I have to agree with BroDZ. Meat has been in the human diet for thousands of years. It's cool if you feel like cutting meat out of your diet, but unfortunately I don't think it's going to save a single animal from slaughter. Millions of people eat meat everyday, yes it's cruel, but it is a necessity in our society.

how is it necessary? we can live longer, healthier lives without meat. We can sustain our planet, too. The fact is, we don't need it at all. :)
oh and you said it wouldn't save any animals from being killed...could be true. but personally by not eating the little guys i am not contributing to the deaths of about 80 animals every year!

a vegetarian diet suits the human body better than a diet that includes meat. carnivorous animals have claws, short digestive tracts, and long, curved fangs. humans have flat, flexible nails, and our so-called â??canineâ?� teeth are minuscule compared to those of carnivores and even compared to vegetarian primates like gorillas and orangutans.
our tiny canine teeth are better suited to biting into fruits than tearing through tough hides. We have flat molars and long digestive tracts that are suited to diets of vegetables, fruits, and grains. eating meat is hazardous to our health and contributes to heart disease, cancer, and many other health problems. :rolleyes:

[RESiNATE]

Thanks,Lulu.

So, unless these vegs are grown in a controlled environment, they can never be totally free of pesticides, additives, or chemicals due to precipitation (?)

And, isn't our preoccupation (nay, fastigiousness) towards clinical cleanliness a factor of our increasing susceptabilty to illness and disease?
A little dirt don't hurt.

Now, GM crops are an entirely different matter, and it has been suggested that the cause of the growing obesity 'epidemic' is largely due to the consumation of these genetically modified (ie, bigger, better?) foods.

Playing God?

Hmmmm

I dunno, I think that we are too easily accepting of what we are told is 'good' for us, and I'm constanly seeing conflicting reports of what is good and what is not.
Like, I used to use toothpaste - but am now of a mind that scrubbing my teeth with an abrasive substance is detrimental to the health of my teeth. Sure, I still use it, but mainly for fresh breath, and only rarely (3 times a week), opting for just plain water most of the time.

Heck, off topic or what? lol

I just think that I would rather listen to what my body is telling me, rather than some boffin in a white coat (who, incidentally, is often subsidised by major drug companies....coersion?)

[GHoSToKeR]

i could add to this thread, but everything has already been said.. its true, one person becoming vegetarian wont stop anything, but a million will.. ten million will do even more.. what about 100 million?.. as all political parties say in the run up to the elections in every country, "every vote counts"

and nice posts, res, lulu and euphoric :)

as far as i see it; those who care, do.. and those who don't care, don't

[sawleaf]

oh and you said it wouldn't save any animals from being killed...could be true. but personally by not eating the little guys i am not contributing to the deaths of about 80 animals every year!



I live a healthy life eating meat and working out. I have nothing against your lifestyle, but the thing I can't stand about most vegetarians is that they try to force their ideals onto other people and make people feel guilty for eating meat. I don't feel guilty at all. And if you buy grain at the store yes you are contributing to animal deaths also. More animals are killed in grain harvests each year than in slaughter houses. Or are rodents and smaller animals less important than animals used for meat?
http://www.animalrights.net/archives/year/2002/000083.html

[Euphoric]

yikes..that's a really good point sawleaf! For a moment i just had to stop and consider that one.
Then i remembered that 70% of crops grown are for the animals used in the meat industry...therefore, by switching to vegetarianism you're saving twice as many animals! :eek:

[RESiNATE]

lol...good post, sawleaf lol, but it only reinforces my point that selective information can be used for and against any arguement.


one man's terrorist, is another man's freedom fighter

It's all about moderation, isn't it?
If you cut down a tree to make a house, you should plant seedling to replace it.
Isn't that what the cycle of life is about?

[Lulu]

yikes..that's a really good point sawleaf! For a moment i just had to stop and consider that one.
Then i remembered that 70% of crops grown are for the animals used in the meat industry...therefore, by switching to vegetarianism you're saving twice as many animals! :eek:
:D Gotta love this guy~lol~ :D

[sawleaf]

yikes..that's a really good point sawleaf! For a moment i just had to stop and consider that one.
Then i remembered that 70% of crops grown are for the animals used in the meat industry...therefore, by switching to vegetarianism you're saving twice as many animals! :eek:

Ah true! :) But you can't say you are not contributing to animals deaths unless you are growing grain and vegetables in your own backyard. How much leather goods do wear? I know vegetarians who wear leather and then bitch at me for eating meat. I have nothing against being a vegetarian, but I am sick of them trying to change my ways and give me a guilt trip.

[sawleaf]

lol...good post, sawleaf lol, but it only reinforces my point that selective information can be used for and against any arguement.



It's all about moderation, isn't it?
If you cut down a tree to make a house, you should plant seedling to replace it.
Isn't that what the cycle of life is about?

Yeah, you are right there! It is all about moderation. Maybe we are consuming more damn meat than we really need? Yeah I'll buy that. :)

[apsinthion]

:D Gotta love this guy~lol~ :D

Yeah he put me back on track with my veggie way's a while back. :p

[apsinthion]

Ah true! :) But you can't say you are not contributing to animals deaths unless you are growing grain and vegetables in your own backyard. How much leather goods do wear? I know vegetarians who wear leather and then bitch at me for eating meat. I have nothing against being a vegetarian, but I am sick of them trying to change my ways and give me a guilt trip.

Yeah I do see your point there, I work in furniture and have meet a few vegitarians that thought that leather came of a roll.

I think there are two type's of veggie's there are the one's that do it for a trend (like the one's you were talking about willing to put they're belief's to one side for a trendy leather suite.) And the one's that know they're stuff and stick by it.

As far as I have seen there's not that many veggie's that force there way's on other people (some of us just speak our mind a litle louder than others that all.)

[RESiNATE]

As far as I have seen there's not that many veggie's that force there way's on other people (some of us just speak our mind a litle louder than others that all.)

Fair comment, Aspinthion :)

I, for one, have learnt alot through this debate - whether it'll change my diet, remains to be seen (not for now, if I'm honest :) ).
I agree about the 'trendy veggies'...how many times have I heard:
"I'm a vegetarian, but I eat fish and chicken"

lol
My sister used that one on me once, then I described how a fish must feel when it has a piece of barbed metal jammed into the roof of it's mouth, then is dragged through the water by it's palette...:eek:
Or, how thousands of fish are dragged up by nets and left to drown on the deck of a boat - where's the humanity in that!

[Euphoric]

thnx u make me feel speshellll :D :) :o :o

[apsinthion]

Fair comment, Aspinthion :)

I, for one, have learnt alot through this debate - whether it'll change my diet, remains to be seen (not for now, if I'm honest :) ).
I agree about the 'trendy veggies'...how many times have I heard:
"I'm a vegetarian, but I eat fish and chicken"

lol
My sister used that one on me once, then I described how a fish must feel when it has a piece of barbed metal jammed into the roof of it's mouth, then is dragged through the water by it's palette...:eek:
Or, how thousands of fish are dragged up by nets and left to drown on the deck of a boat - where's the humanity in that!

I dunno about fish feeling pain to be honest with you.

I remember back in the day when I used to fish I caught one in the eye and when I landed it all it did was turn round and eat it's own eye. :eek:

Even though if I'm gonna do somthing I'll go all the way so no fish for me lol. :D

[RESiNATE]

I remember back in the day when I used to fish I caught one in the eye and when I landed it all it did was turn round and eat it's own eye. :eek:



Geez!!! What a nighmarish sight!!!
lmaoo...obviously, the fish had issues lol

"Yeah, hook out my eye, would ya!!...well, check this out, human!!! *munch munch*"
Psychotic fish, ffs!!

FFS! :confused:
Trying to be a martyr, I guess lmfaooo

[Lulu]

Geez!!! What a nighmarish sight!!!
lmaoo...obviously, the fish had issues lol

"Yeah, hook out my eye, would ya!!...well, check this out, human!!! *munch munch*"
Psychotic fish, ffs!!

FFS! :confused:
Trying to be a martyr, I guess lmfaooo
I just almost choked to death on a cream cracker crumb I laughed so hard~lol~ :D

[apsinthion]

Lol yeah!!

Must of been the Lenny Mclean of the fish world.:D

[Euphoric]

newsflash..fish feel plenty of pain

www.fishinghurts.com

"The pain system in fish is virtually the same as in birds and mammals."
---Dr. Donald Broom, professor of animal welfare, Cambridge University

While fish cannot always express pain and suffering in ways that humans can easily recognize, common sense (as well as marine biologists) tells us that fish feel pain. Fish may not be cute and cuddly like puppies and kittens, but they suffer and experience pain in very much the same way.

Fish suffer from being impaled, thrown, crushed, or mutilated while alive, and they are often left to die slowly and painfully of suffocation

sorry but :D

[sawleaf]

Ha it's funny that came up. I did hook a fish in the eye once, then I used the eye as bait and was the best bait I ever used. His buddies were tearing his eye up! :D

[Euphoric]

how brutal..
you know what is more fun than fishing anyway, is actually being active and snorkelling in the water. once i went snorkelling with a bag of bread in a pond and started meeting little fishies underwater. i gave them bits of bread. soon i had hundreds of little friends swarming all around me, eating right out of my hand! :)

[sawleaf]

Oh I scuba dive and snorkel also, but I also spearfish. That is a lot more humane and sporty. You can select what fish you want and you kill them fast.

[GHoSToKeR]

the arguement you guys seem to be ignoriong is, to me, the most important arguement of all.. you're debatign whether eating meat is healthy, humane, etc etc, but none of you seem to be wondering this: why is it ok to murder animals, but not humans?


as far as i see it, its not ok to kill anything

[sawleaf]

the arguement you guys seem to be ignoriong is, to me, the most important arguement of all.. you're debatign whether eating meat is healthy, humane, etc etc, but none of you seem to be wondering this: why is it ok to murder animals, but not humans?


as far as i see it, its not ok to kill anything

Hell I'd eat human if it was on the menu. I've eaten monkey, it can't taste much different. Tastes like good roast beef. Why do animals eat meat? It's their food and meat is our food also. Isn't a salad DEAD vegetables?

[Euphoric]

true...it should be the most obvious concern. maybe because you can't judge right and wrong on a scale, cant take measurments of it with an instrument.

Murder is defined:

The unlawful killing of a human being with deliberate intent to kill: (1) murder in the first degree is characterized by premeditation; (2) murder in the second degree is characterized by a sudden and instantaneous intent to kill or to cause injury without caring whether the injury kills or not.

hmm...so why is it defined this way? you know the guy who wrote this definition probably had a bunch of steak in his freezer and didnt want to feel guilty.

anyway, good point, says me. killing without need.. to me, is murder. human or not. ive met a lot of nice animals and a lot of mean people!

[GHoSToKeR]

i'll rephrase that.. it's not ok to kill anything sentient..



sen·tient
adj.

Having sense perception; conscious: â??The living knew themselves just sentient puppets on God's stageâ?� (T.E. Lawrence).
Experiencing sensation or feeling

[Euphoric]

from peta's faq..

There is currently no reason to believe that plants experience pain, devoid as they are of central nervous systems, nerve endings, and brains. It is theorized that the main reason animals have the ability to experience pain is as a form of self-protection. If you touch something that hurts and could possibly injure you, you will learn from the pain it produces to leave it alone in the future. Since plants cannot locomote and do not have the need to learn to avoid certain things, this sensation would be superfluous.

[Imotep]

regarding fish feeling pain-i have not yet heard of any evidence from anyone other than animal rights groups. just because he has a white coat doesnt mean he is correct. as an example i take monsanto scientists.
to convince me, i need to hear it from other sources. not saying its not true, but when only one group is claiming something, only fool rush in.
i fish whenever i can spare time from the garden (forest). i mainly fish for meat, but sport does definateley come into it. its fun to catch a mighty big flathead and release it if its a big old breeder.
saying that i have read a lot of opinions on this issue, both from highly motivated sources.
i dont beleive fish feel pain the same way. they feel it as a trigger for flight or fight responses.
but if it turns out they do feel pain, are the insects next? good luck with that one.

meat based diets from what i have learned are generally unhealthy for westerners. lots of peoples on earth ate nearly exclusive meat diets, but their lifestlyes had evolved with the diet, and the excercise required to procure the feed compensated.

environmentaly meat is a highly inefficient way to "manufacture" protein. the water, land and other resources required means the earths carrying capacity is greatly reduced, and issues like starving 3rd world are compounded.

vegetarianism is the only way the human race will survive poputation blow-out, if indeed the war-famine-disease complex doesnt get us first.

there was an earlier comment about organics only being pesticide free if grown in controlled environments. this certainly helps but is far from gospel.
bio-diversity the the key with agriculture and diet.
remember giant forests grow themselves. they are not fed. they are not watered. seeds are not collected and germinated and planted.

the incorporation of natural cycles and systems is essential in agriculture.
plants have their own immune system. if it is healthy, the plant will not succumb to pest and disease attack. when they are sprayed, it has been noted (by various sources i add hehe) that the production of immunity boosting compounds is reduced.
these are the compounds our own immune system needs to be fed to maintain it.
ever noticed the same companies that make our food sick with chemicals are the same ones that then give us pharmaceuticals to "cure" our ills?

you are what you eat. if you eat chemical dependent food, chances are you will become chemically dependent.
this cycle is easily broken by removing, particulary chlorine based pesticides and herbicides. hormones in animal feed cannot help either.

and heres some food for though;
what other mammal ingests milk after infacy?
what other mammal ingests the milk of other species after infancy?

[Euphoric]

excellent post, imotep.
fish have similar nervous systems as all mammals. yes it hurts.

Dr. Sylvia Earle, one of the world's leading marine biologists, said, "I never eat anyone I know personally. I wouldn't deliberately eat a grouper any more than I'd eat a cocker spaniel. They're so good-natured, so curious. You know, fish are sensitive, they have personalities, they hurt when they're wounded."

"[I]t has been shown that fish (like other vertebrate animals, including humans) have a highly developed system that may help protect them from severe pain--pain which could endanger their lives if they were seriously handicapped by it following some injury to their bodies, such as might be inflicted by a large predator. This system releases natural opiate-like substances (enkephalins and endorphins) once an animal is injured. ... The presence of this pain-dampening opiate system implies that there must be some capacity to experience pain, otherwise there would be little point in animals having evolved such a system in the first place. ..." --- Fox, Michael W., D.V.M., Ph.D., "Do Fish Have Feelings?," The Animals' Agenda, July/August 1987, pp. 24-29.



"Fish cry out in both pain and fear. According to marine biologist Michael Fine, most sound-producing fishes 'vocalize' when prodded, held or chased. In experiments by William Tavolga, toadfish grunted when electrically shocked. What's more, they soon came to grunt at the mere sight of an electrode."

-- Dunayer, Joan, "Fish: Sensitivity Beyond the Captor's Grasp," The Animals' Agenda, July/August 1991, pp. 12-18.

[Euphoric]

sorry. i really enjoyed reading your points on dairy consumption, imotep. i didnt mean to only focus on the negatives there :)

[Imotep]

no worries mate. the fish pain thing is a curious one ive been following for awhile. its strange to not be on the "green" side of a debate for a change lol.
new territory for me.i live to be proved wrong. :D

yeah the dairy thing stumped me when i thought about it.

[Lord M.A.H]

Bro speaks the truth, as does sawleaf, and i have a tendancy to agree.
Bugger and damnation, but pics and stories don't make a shitload of diff to me.
meat is meat, and no amount of protests or veggies are going to change the way it gets from a to b, or the manner in how it gets there. it is not financially viable to treat meat humanely.
Now I am against animal cruelty myself and would never perpetuate it, but i can't stop others, no matter what you say. it will always be and there's nothing you can do.
The cruelest, most 'inhumane' creature on this earth is the human, and always wil be.
at least animals only kill for food, and not sport.

[Imotep]

mate its not finacially viable to treat humans humaneley.
you sound like a raging economic rationalist.

[GHoSToKeR]

it is not financially viable to treat meat humanely.

if you cant treat it humanely, then dont eat it. its that simple.

[GHoSToKeR]

ooooh... and like imotep said, its not 'financially viable' to treat humans humanely either, but we dont mind spendin the money on doing it.. so whats the difference?

[sawleaf]

if you cant treat it humanely, then dont eat it. its that simple.

How can you humanely eat something then???

[GHoSToKeR]

umm.. what?


that guy said its not 'financially viable' to treat animals humanely so he just eats it anyway, coz theres nothin to do.. so i said, 'its not financilly viable to treat humans humanely either, but we still do it'.. we spend billions and billions and billions tryin to make our lives more comfortable.. so why not do the sdame for the animals? if ur gonan eta them, survive off them, then why not pay so that they can at least have a normal life before theyre slaughtered?

[Imotep]

by allowing the animal to exhibit natural behaviours-chickens can scratch and forage, pigs can wallow and have freedom of movement. these behaviours can be utilised as part of integrated agricultural systems. destructive behaviour like scratching and rooting up plants can be put to work by clearing previous crop residues, clearing inscects, aerating/working up soil. Pay them with fallen fruit and bugs for doing the spraying and ploughing for you. :)
And swift clean kills have never been hard.
its a win win situation, except for the agri-buisness consultant.

[Imotep]

umm.. what?


that guy said its not 'financially viable' to treat animals humanely so he just eats it anyway, coz theres nothin to do.. so i said, 'its not financilly viable to treat humans humanely either, but we still do it'.. we spend billions and billions and billions tryin to make our lives more comfortable.. so why not do the sdame for the animals? if ur gonan eta them, survive off them, then why not pay so that they can at least have a normal life before theyre slaughtered?

im surprised there are animal activists at all when there are so many humans being treated inhumaneley.
priorities?

[sawleaf]

Probably because animals don't work and pay taxes. It doesn't make sense to pay more money to have these animals live normal lives. The normal life for a cow is as meat. Where are all the wild cows? Our country is is serious debt. Why would we pay to have these animals live normal lives. I know it sucks for them, but they are seen as just a product. The companies just want the cheapest way to get meat processed and shipped.

[Imotep]

companies. thats the problem. we cant go to the market and buy direct from the farmer, or even farmer direct to the butcher.
the centralisation of slaughterhouses though does help with management of a billion tonnes of offal.
too many middle men eat all the profit. the farmer gets paid after the abbatoir,the truck driver, the butcher, his apprentice.
the ag consultant.
the rural supply store.
the bloke at the servo.
but then where will all the jobs go?
we'll all have to become small scale farmers.
why work to get money to buy food when you can work creating food and knock off for a siesta everyday?
i know ludditism isnt the answer, but it provides some clues.

ps record 4 pages. active thread!

[JohnnyBravo]

Birdseye potatoe WUUUUUUUUUUUAAAAAAAAAAAAFFFFFLLLLLLESSSSSS

[maryjanemama]

WOW...who would've guessed the Chicken Killers thread would've gotten so many posts? I want to ask how many veggies are vegans? I'm not, and I wear leather, but I explained my position before.

I don't think ppl realize the talespin our country's economy would be in if everyone suddenly became a vegan. Around here dairy production is our number 1 industry. My husband is a deisel/farm mechanic. Cows pay my bills.

What is your position on cows in the dairy industry. Btw, cows cannot survive without human help. They have become almost domesticated and would freeze in the winter if they were left outside. Also, in the summer, cows graze outside, and rarely eat corn or hay until winter when there is snow on the ground.

[RESiNATE]

Cows pay my bills.


Cool:D...err, but they have hooves! How the heck do they count out the cash! :confused:

Or do you just pin the cheque to their ear, or summat - or their cow-bell...hmmma bizarre system you got going there MJM

The bottom line for me is this; as long as the animals have a good quality of life, then I'm cool about it - there is no need (except of course economics) to mistreat animals...remember 'Planet of the Apes'...hmmmm

The sooner that accountants are forbidden to run things, the better.

[Bro DZ]

as long as we use money, we can never have a utopian society. Shit, because mankind is geneticly greedy, we will never have a utopia to live in. Besides, we will all be dead for hundreds of years before any major changes in society like the elimination of cruel animal breeding/butchering happen. Its admiral that people want to save em and all but isent it mankinds right, being the dominant species on the planet, top of the food chain, to manipulate lesser creatures for whatever purposes we see fit? (i kinda want to see this thread spiral outta control, up into the 8+ range LoL)

uh, but to my point. I agree that money is the problem if thats what Res and Imotep and Sawleaf are proposing :D

[maryjanemama]

LOL, Res, actually we give the smarter ones a caculator and they tap out the numbers with their tales! :D Seriously, though, where I live I am outnumbered by bovines 5 to 1, so if they ever decided to revolt, I'm screwed. But we do rely on them for our income. If the farmers stop using tractors and other equipment, my husband has nothing to fix, and we have no money. So, the financial issue is a big part of where my opinions come from.

[RESiNATE]

lol, got a nice visual

and lmfaooo, my youngest son (he's 4) just saw your avatar, MJM, he said - "Look dad, she's shaking her ass!" - I couldn't tell him off for saying 'ass' because I was giggling too much lol

[RESiNATE]

Yep, Bro, money is the pits! I hate it. I hate what it does to people. I hate not having any lol.

And I appreciate your standpoint too, MJM.

[Lulu]

Hey Maryjane have you ever heard this one? :D

COWS WITH GUNS

Fat and docile, big and dumb
They look so stupid, they aren't much fun
Cows aren't fun
They eat to grow, grow to die
Die to be et at the hamburger fry
Cows well done
Nobody thunk it, nobody knew
No one imagined the great cow guru
Cows are one
He hid in the forest, read books with great zeal
He loved Che Guevera, a revolutionary veal
Cow Se Tongue
He spoke about justice, but nobody stirred
He felt like an outcast, alone in the herd
Cow doldrums
He mooed we must fight, escape or we'll die
Cows gathered around, cause the steaks were so high
Bad cow pun
But then he was captured, stuffed into a crate
Loaded onto a truck, where he rode to his fate
Cows are bummed
He was a scrawny calf, who looked rather woozy
No one suspected he was packing an Uzi
Cows with guns
They came with a needle to stick in his thigh
He kicked for the groin, he pissed in their eye
Cow well hung
Knocked over a tractor and ran for the door
Six gallons of gas flowed out on the floor
Run cows run!
He picked up a bullhorn and jumped up on the hay
We are free roving bovines, we run free today
We will fight for bovine freedom
And hold our large heads high
We will run free with the Buffalo, or die
Cows with guns
They crashed the gate in a great stampede
Tipped over a milk truck, torched all the feed
Cows have fun
Sixty police cars were piled in a heap
Covered in cow pies, covered up deep
Much cow dung
Black smoke rising, darkening the day
Twelve burning McDonalds, have it your way
The President said "enough is enough
These uppity cattle, its time to get tough"
Cow dung flung
The newspapers gloated, folks sighed with relief
Tomorrow at noon, they would all be ground beef
Cows on buns
The cows were surrounded, they waited and prayed
They mooed their last moos,
they chewed their last hay
Cows outgunned
The order was given to turn cows to whoppers
Enforced by the might of ten thousand coppers
But on the horizon surrounding the shoppers
Came the deafening roar of chickens in choppers

[RESiNATE]

lol, Lulu...especailly 'chickens in choppers'

[Bro DZ]

Lmao

who wrote that Lulu?

[Lulu]

Fuck I don't know :rolleyes:
Hang on I'll check.........
by Dana Lyons

[maryjanemama]

That was a good one, Lulu! I'm still laughing! Oh, noooo, I may in big trouble! :D

[Bro DZ]

Fuck I don't know :rolleyes:
Hang on I'll check.........
by Dana Lyons

thanks! :)

[dizzy spells]

he y res.
i used to work for a slaughter house here & when i 1st saw a cow slaughterd,i felt sorry for it.but fuck man,iv hadf a dekivery of pigs that were kicked in the face & up the ass,jabbed with a sharp stick.
animals are animals,chickens are chickens.bolox to there feelings.the next thing.you will have people waving banners .saying.
dont piss in the lake,save a frog
ever wonderd what the sea smelled like before women went swimmong in it

[Dope Chic]

In fact, I could give 2 shits about cows... And I know this sounds terrible, but cows are possibly the STUPIDEST creatures that roam this Earth. Not that they deserve to be slaughtered or anything...but I don't consider them when I pass on a steak, I consider my ass in a parit of jeans. :)
Thats exactly how I feel about cows too. I hardly ever eat meat and not because of how the animals are treated...I just can't stand the stuff!

[dizzy spells]

theres nothib better than,a good chicken curry when you had a night on the beer.
you being a trucker resinate.well.what you gonna think about all these pigs & cows when you eating at these roadside cafes.
yeah.no3 breakfast,extra chickenny.lol & throw us a dead cat on the side to

[Lord M.A.H]

he he hee, the shit hits the fan!
Not that it didn't already.
I really don't give a fuck. Meat is meat. Meat taste good.
who cares how it gets on your plate? all your bleeding hearts don't make a fuckload of diff.
Oh, treating humans humanely, please. what diff has all the billions spent made?

[Bro DZ]

LoL

i think the only thing ya really have to think about at these road side cafes and roach coaches in town is... Where are all dogs and cats? LoL i never seem to see animals anywhere in the vicinity of them little shady places =oP

[RESiNATE]

lol, where'd ya think the term 'hotdog' came from! lol

"Yes, I'd like the road-kill special, please...with a side order of slow-pedestrian"
"Would you like some over-zealous copper, with that?"
"Er, no thanks, it gives me the shits"

[psychocat]

I've worked in a slaughter house and have no problems with killing something that is going to be eaten , I LOVE MEAT , I also like wearing leather.

If I examine my teeth they are all used for the purpose of eating just about anything , meat ,veggies , grains and pulses all go down with the same ease.

I dislike killing in the name of sport , what we should do if folk want to hunt for sport is make them hunt each other (ala Running man) and only one can come out alive.I would be prepared to eat the loser if he or she was cooked right.

As for fat bastards . they are fat for a few reasons , bad diet and lack of exercise being the main causes , get off your arses and stop eating so much is my advise.

http://www.cowswithguns.com/Cowstory.html

[maryjanemama]

As for fat bastards . they are fat for a few reasons , bad diet and lack of exercise being the main causes , get off your arses and stop eating so much is my advise.


I agree! You can be just as portly from cake as you can from a hamburger and if you sit on the couch all day you're fucked no matter what you eat.

[RESiNATE]

See, I've been trying to put on wieght for years, and rigidly follow the "sofa-diet", but to no avail - what am I doing wrong :confused:

There has to be a certain level of geneticism involved too...if you come from a fat family, then chances are , you're gonna be fat. But hey, it doesn't always follow that just because you're fat, you're unfit - who's gonna tell Samo Hung, that he's unfit...err...not me!

[maryjanemama]

See, I've been trying to put on wieght for years, and rigidly follow the "sofa-diet", but to no avail - what am I doing wrong :confused:

There has to be a certain level of geneticism involved too...if you come from a fat family, then chances are , you're gonna be fat. But hey, it doesn't always follow that just because you're fat, you're unfit - who's gonna tell Samo Hung, that he's unfit...err...not me!Res, hmmmm, you need a nice girl to make you all sorts of good meals so you put on a few pounds...then she can help you work it off the old fashioned way! What's holding you back! You're a tall blue eyed blond guy and are fun and witty. The ladies (casseroles in hand) should be beating down you're door! :)

Alas, I am married and in a different continent....:mad: Lol

[RESiNATE]

well, that's what I can't understand, MJM lmfaoooo

[RESiNATE]

Alas, I am married and in a different continent....:mad: Lol

Damn - I've heard that you make a mean casserole!!

lol

[litespeed]

IMOTEP
I have been working with ( hydro ) for about 4 years now with veggies I have found that if you cut the Nutrients about 10 days before harvest the veggies have a better flavor and better texture

When I was yonger 1947-1958 before he got busted for it, dad bought Hemp food all the time from Mex. and we ate less meat felt better eat less food you where satisfied after eating. It's not like now you buy something and you are still hungry and cant get full.

[Bro DZ]

yeah, hydro veggies need to be flushed just like hydro bud

[Imotep]

IMOTEP
I have been working with ( hydro ) for about 4 years now with veggies I have found that if you cut the Nutrients about 10 days before harvest the veggies have a better flavor and better texture

When I was yonger 1947-1958 before he got busted for it, dad bought Hemp food all the time from Mex. and we ate less meat felt better eat less food you where satisfied after eating. It's not like now you buy something and you are still hungry and cant get full.

yep, spot on.
my only beef (hehehahahoho) with hydro is that unless the nutrients are organically derived from local sources, its just another truck on the road.
hydro has many benefits but its oil's bitch.

can you grow chickens hydroponically?

[GHoSToKeR]

yeah, hydro veggies need to be flushed just like hydro bud
what does hydro bud have to do with anything? hydro is just bud that was grown hydroponically.. why should it be flushed?

[Euphoric]

hmm..you know, we should start simply growing organs in labs and eat that and not subject animals to the horrors of our demented guts. just a random abstract thought. :D

[Bro DZ]

what does hydro bud have to do with anything? hydro is just bud that was grown hydroponically.. why should it be flushed?
if you dont flush the plant, a grip of nutrients are up in it when you harvest, and it drastically effects the flavor of the bud =o( ya flush the plant with straight water for the last 4 or five days before you harvest. Just like vegges. :D

[Imotep]

had to go to the dentist today so i couldnt go fishing. :mad: :)

[GHoSToKeR]

if you dont flush the plant, a grip of nutrients are up in it when you harvest, and it drastically effects the flavor of the bud =o( ya flush the plant with straight water for the last 4 or five days before you harvest. Just like vegges. :D
oooh hahaha i didnt read all the posts in this thread, so i thought you meant they need to be flushed down the drain hahahaha sorry man :D

[Bro DZ]

LoL, its all good G-Toker

[Lord M.A.H]

resinate:
See, I've been trying to put on wieght for years, and rigidly follow the "sofa-diet", but to no avail - what am I doing wrong

Give the right hand a rest mate... lmfao....

[Mrs PotatoHead]

Oh the poor chickens & cows I hear you all cry. Well what about the potatoes? Nobody cares about the poor effin spud! During the potato famine everyone cried about the millions of Irish people who's bellies where grumbling, but did anyone spare a thought for the billions of potatoes that died of disease. :-(

[vicstar]

lol mr patatoe head

[vicstar]

ok i really cant spell potatoe tht it <------ lol

[Mrs PotatoHead]

Ahh You say patatoe I say potatoe. It's all chips.lol
Oh and it's Mrs PatatoeHead to you. :p

[GHoSToKeR]

umm you say potatoe, she says patatoe, everyone else says potato.. lets call the whole thing off??

[Imotep]

had to go to the dentist today so i couldnt go fishing. :mad: :)

god where did that come from? lol
random vent of frustration.

[GHoSToKeR]

will somebody please think of the chickens!!!!!!!


:p :D ;) :) :rolleyes: :cool:

[Imotep]

ahh ok, fish feeling pain.
i remmeber waht i was on about now.
(jesus who brought this guy)

imotep fondles the egg vent-
"cluck for me bitch, cluck, thats right...cluck ooh yeah, im youre cock tonight"

[Euphoric]

will somebody please think of the chickens!!!!!!!


:p :D ;) :) :rolleyes: :cool:

yes, of course :cool:

there are very serious problems in the world that deserve our attention, and cruelty to animals is one of them. we should try to alleviate suffering wherever we can. helping animals is not any more or less important than helping human beingsâ??they are both important. animal suffering and human suffering are interconnected.

[Euphoric]

and now for some interesting facts about these little cluckers hehe

â?¢ Chickens are as smart as mammals, including some primates, according to animal behaviorist Dr. Chris Evans, who runs the animal behavior lab at Macquarie University in Australia and lectures on his work with chickens.

â?¢ In 2002, the PBS documentary The Natural History of the Chicken revealed that â??[c]hickens love to watch television and have vision similar to humans. They also seem to enjoy all forms of music, especially classical.â?�

â?¢ Like us, chickens form strong family ties and mourn when they lose a loved one.

want more? http://www.peta.org/feat/hiddenlives/

SMOKE WEED NOT YOUR FRIENDS
:D :cool:

[Imotep]

im not surprised by that.
i kept chooks until a dumb fuck builder dug under my fence and collapsed it and a fox got in.
couple of em were really clever. they could spot a bug in a jungle no worries.
cant wait to get some more.
if n when i move to the country i'll use em for meat from time to time as well.
sucked to find my biggest smartest hen decapitated. it had been sittin there too long to eat though and i didnt have time to clean her. sob.big, heavy, organic free range chook.
they had very good lives, huntin bugs and foraging on hundreds of plant species until they died a violent horrible death.

they are great animals. i like pigs too.
and goats.
fuck i hate dogs though. :)

[GHoSToKeR]

i hate geese

they're planning something

[Imotep]

geese u gotta watch.
lol gt

[Bro DZ]

sucked to find my biggest smartest hen decapitated. it had been sittin there too long to eat though and i didnt have time to clean her. sob.big, heavy, organic free range chook.
what a waste... that probably would have been the best chicken you ate all year :mad:

oh well LoL

peace

[Imotep]

what a waste... that probably would have been the best chicken you ate all year :mad:

oh well LoL

peace

yep she wouldve been real tasty.
stupid fuckin fox only ate one too.
they need education bastard animals.
eat more fox.

[RESiNATE]

Seeing that picture of the chicken brought back the nightmares, dude......

..there were 6420 of those types of faces, blinking innocently at me, as I drew the curtains across my truck...they probably thought that I was taking them to a far away field of green and sunshine...poor fuckers...the only green they would've seen would have been the gloves of the murderous bastards that fed them into the 'chicken-killer-machine'!!!!:eek:

..I'm going to be sick....

[Mrs PotatoHead]

Once when I was younger and livin in the sticks. We kept some chickens they were so cute and yes very clever, but the bloody rooster was insane. Sometimes you couldn't get near the coops to collect the eggs and then he went medi-evil and started just pecking any chicken he could find to death. (good way to teach children about pecking order) Well sorry to say but the rooster just had to go. Now before I go on about the rooster,s demise I will just add that we were originally city folk and really didn't have a bloody clue about raising chickens let alone killing them. So my mum grabbed the axe my brother grabbed the rooster and placed him very unceremoniously on the chopping block...down came the axe.. the head did not come off...down came the axe again...and you guessed it head and body did not seperate. (Maybe we should have sharpened the axe I hear you say). Now even I who had been attacked by this rooster on many occassions was in tears. Don't ask me how we killed him in the end but we did and we felt so bad that my mum stewed him for hours so that he would not be wasted. I will end with after my first bite I knew why that head was not coming off.

[Euphoric]

mrs. potatohead thats not a very nice story. serioussly...earth to potato :confused:
hehe..and sorry reinstate. i did not mean to help you relive that terrible moment.
i just thought i'd try to rally more concern by attaching a face to the issue. of course it didn't work it only gave one person some nightmares! oops :o
pretty birdies, tho :)

[Mrs PotatoHead]

Sorry didn't realise we had to tell nice stories. I was of the thought the thread was about chicken killers. :confused:

I agree that we should respect animals more. My rooster got to be a rooster he lived a lot longer than many chickens and we did not mean to make his death so awful. :(

My mum had a pet chicken for many years. One of those beautiful red and green shiny kind and it slept on her bed and lived a very long happy life. She said it was a very friendly, clever chicken and loved listening to music.

Is that story nice enough Euphoric.lol

[dog420]

We all NEED to eat

I LOVE meat!

Now lets all dance to my BEAT!

Peace lol

[Imotep]

lol mrs potato head.
i know of roosters that have ended up in the bottom of the compost heap.
population control.

conservation culling of species for the benefit of the general stressed population?
now theres a thorny one.
ferals displacing natives and animals eating themselves out of house and home until they all die of disease. cant relocate em all.

[Euphoric]

lol mrs potato head.
i know of roosters that have ended up in the bottom of the compost heap.
population control.

conservation culling of species for the benefit of the general stressed population?
now theres a thorny one.
ferals displacing natives and animals eating themselves out of house and home until they all die of disease. cant relocate em all.

wow you are simply overflowing with compassion :rolleyes: anyway, sounds like the human race to me. but we dont subject ourselves to that kind of cold culling..i dont..think..

and yesh mrs potatohead that was a nicer story.yay.. :)

[Imotep]

sicksadworld aye.
we could do better, so generally i agree with you totally euphoric.
unfortunateley the reality is theres a lot of hard decisions to be made this far down the wrong path.

what do we do with all the rabbits and foxes that are destroying the habitat and preying on little native mammals?
let "nature" run its course?

we have logged and developed koalas out of nearly every one of their habitats here. the remaining ones are killing the leftover forest and thus themselves.
there were calls for them to be culled but it was shouted down.
relocations were expensive, difficult, stressful and generally bad for the area they were sent to.
forced sterilisation for population control seems to be the best option now.

a little like the elephants in africa. theyve been left with too little land and now they cant fit. famine and disease follows.

a little like the peoples of the world who have been forced off their already marginal lands by export cropping interests of multinationals to pay for world bank loans. world trade centre was a very symbolic target.

what were we talking about?
oh yeah chickens

[RESiNATE]

The point is that Humans are a parasite

Chickens are the victims.

A Geese can just fuck right off.

[GHoSToKeR]

The point is that Humans are a parasite

Chickens are the victims.

A Geese can just fuck right off.

you tell 'em Res!

wOOt!! :D

lol

[never 2 much]

Ever hit a chicken while your going down the road?
feathers go everywhere!

[Euphoric]

no respect for life?

[never 2 much]

no, im just sayin... my dad told me about that, i am nothing but respect.
i wouldnt hit an animal even if it has alredy been hit.
id run over myself before i run over an animal.
i love animals!!!

[GHoSToKeR]

i love animals!!!
hmm did i tell you that im a umm.... a.... a cat!

*rolls over*

:p

[Euphoric]

silly people :)

[never 2 much]

hmm did i tell you that im a umm.... a.... a cat!

*rolls over*

:p
hahaha, i love you more.
but you dont have to tell me that, ill love you neway

[RESiNATE]

i TELL YOU WHAT, THOUGH - (apart from I left the caps lock on, and can't bothered to back-space and delete it, but could've just as well, done it in the time I've been blabbing on about how I couldn't be arsed to delete it...what?)

Yeah, so if you hit a pigeon, it's like feathers AND dust, man! There was a spate of suicide pigeons, recently, they were dive bombing my car, and one hit the windscreen ;''--SHIT...there was loads of dust, like if you have just bashed a duster fullof dust...and it left like, a dusty outline of it's body on the windscreen too...hahaha..FAF, like a chalk outline, of 'mid-flight-pigeon'...lmfaoooo

Yeah, so there you go...the moral of the story is...don't bash a pigeon to death indoors, as the dust will be a nightmare!

thanks

[Imotep]

dusty outline lol

[RESiNATE]

Yeah, dusty outline, dude, lol...I was harrowing - I had to look at this pigeon shaped outline for ages...lol...well, until it rained again...hhehehehe

I hate ex-missusses who expect me to live my life around their schedule, and use the kids as a weapon...well, fuck you, bitch, I'm having a cup of tea, and you'll just have to fucking wait, won't you!

Don't wanna wait?...well, tough shit, you lard arse bitch fuck - deal with it.

Bwhahahahahaahahahahahaha
That shut her up, dinit :D

[RESiNATE]

err..I think I posted that last bit in the wrong thread...doh! I'm such a stoner :rolleyes:

*shuffles off whilst mumbling incoherently to himself*

[maryjanemama]

I would never ever harm an animal but I do know that if you throw a rock and hit a hen/rooster in the neck, it's neck will break and it's head will snap back like a twig. :eek: This info was relayed to be by my hubby who was once a sick and twisted youth (now he's just an old grumpy fart).

[RESiNATE]

lol@grumpy old fart

there's alot of it going round, MJM
must be something in the water.......

[Ammie]

lol thats what i call my dad a grumpy old fart :D

[maryjanemama]

lol thats what i call my dad a grumpy old fart :D
lol Actually, my husband is old enough to be your dad, Ammie. :eek:

[mikee1422]

A plant gets 10% of the energy of the sun that nourshises it, A cow gets 10% of the 10% that the plant gets when it eats the plant, and of course you get 10% of the 10% that the cow gets who got 10% of what the plant got, you can't cut the plant out of it's 10%, but you can cut the cow out and basically be as close to the sun as possible....
As for proverbs::: Be Not the Judge of others, But Know your Deeds are Just, I think that was Mencius, teacher of Confucius
Another one I love, while in Philosophy class in the early 70's our prof. asked us to define the truth as a class homework assignment, next day he goes around the class and one by one we say what we think the meaning of the truth was;;;;; My answer::: The End, he gave me a 3.75 for the semester.... ;) ;) ;)

[bob banana]

i would post somethin here concerning the subject mater if only it werent so long,
congratulations res for makin a thread that has 151 or 152 wit this one replies
yeah, i learnt the rule of ten in school, i guess u gotza have chlorophill if u wana take all the energy.....then we would be all green and wit bigg ass flat heads so we could absorb as much as possible, and we would never have to eat again except some soil from the ground once in a long while.....
hehehe

[mikee1422]

Go drink some green juice and smoke a fatty...hehe

[RESiNATE]

How can philolsophy be taught?

Isn't it just an opinion of a view to life?

Much like religion, philosphy is an adherence to another person's set of ideals - you either subscribe, or you do not.
I find myself in a place of darkness; I'm lost and confused as to the point of life. If the point of life is to be happy, then without said happiness, there can be no point.
And yet, my being here has much bearance upon a great deal of things; my children's well being and education, for example.
So there is a point to my life, but it is beyond that which I so desperately crave.

The needs of the many, outweigh the needs of the one.

Res...

[bob banana]

How can philolsophy be taught?

Isn't it just an opinion of a view to life?

Much like religion, philosphy is an adherence to another person's set of ideals - you either subscribe, or you do not.
I find myself in a place of darkness; I'm lost and confused as to the point of life. If the point of life is to be happy, then without said happiness, there can be no point.
And yet, my being here has much bearance upon a great deal of things; my children's well being and education, for example.
So there is a point to my life, but it is beyond that which I so desperately crave.

The needs of the many, outweigh the needs of the one.

Res...
WELLK SOME ONE MUSTA THOUGHT O THEM IN THE FIRST PLACE............

but yeah. philosophy is cool. speacially when u actually apply it to ur life , but it camt be tought, it can only be shown then ppl must make the choice

[RESiNATE]

Fair comment, but....
You will be subconsciously aware of those ideals set out by the particular philosophical thinking, which could taint your own discovery of the path.

"There are many paths to the top of the mountain"

If you apply someone elses ideals, then you are only treading the path that has already been trodden upon - thus, your journey of discovery has already been channeled.
People seem to need to cling to this idea of sentinence, but it is a human trait.
To think that we are something other than what we appear to be, and that we can gain immortality by subscribing to the rules and dictates of someone else's ideals.
What about here?
What about now?

People spend too much time wondering about a future that is neither proven or documented, whilst the issues of 'here' and 'now' go unaddressed.
Their quest for appeasing an unseen entity borders on the horrific - and those that do not subscribe are seen as parasites and must be crushed.

What right has anyone to declare their way as the right way?
Is Christianity the right way?
Is Islam the right way?
Taoism?

Each of those 'philosophies', sees the other as the wrong way to live.
And each of those philosophies would gladly cleanse the world of those opposing mindsets.

Maybe, they are all wrong :eek:

Maybe, we should remember that we are just an animal, just like all the others on this planet. But the only thing that sets us apart from the other animals living here, is that we have been given the gift of intelligence on an unprecedented scale.

And every day, we abuse that gift towards our own greed and selfishness.

And every day, the planet, and those other animals, suffer our ignorance at the highest price.

[bob banana]

by RESINATE:
People spend too much time wondering about a future that is neither proven or documented, whilst the issues of 'here' and 'now' go unaddressed

maby ppl think about the future BECOUSE it is neither proven nor documented, leads more space for hope, for there to be worse better, coz thats all god is hope.
when smthn is done it couldnt happen anyother way some ppl comment ABOUT it
but wit the future it hasnt happened so u cant comment about it , u have to speak OF it, if u get what im sayin.....
but yeah...we are all just a bunch of animals, and evrythin we do is a bunch of chamicall preocesses, but at least were a bunch of animals whpose chemical precesses can philosophise and luv and all that shit (even tho animals luv too , for protection and survival of the species, what called an altruism when teh animal gives up being able to reproduce (so sterelazation is also altruism, or simply death) for the good of the species, coz in reallity its just a fight for survival



oh and some aniumals, liek cats, also get high... its so funny to see stoned cat,

[RESiNATE]

by RESINATE:
People spend too much time wondering about a future that is neither proven or documented, whilst the issues of 'here' and 'now' go unaddressed


but wit the future it hasnt happened so u cant comment about it , u have to speak OF it, if u get what im sayin.....


Err, no...sorry, I don't. :confused:

What is the point of worrying about something that hasn't yet happened?
The future does not affect your life now, does it?

I think you misunderstand my reference of 'future'...I'm talking about life-after-death.
People live their lives in accordance to a set of ideals and rules, to secure their place in the afterlife, whilst forgoing their enjoyment of actual life and treading upon those who do not subscribe to their percieved ideals.

Like in the recent US elections.
I heard that a cleric told his 'flock', that to not vote for Bush, would be an affront to their God - thus, the 'flock's' mindset was not about the issues of the day, but rather a security of acceptance in their 'heaven'.
Thus, they worried more about their 'future' in an unproven haven, than the present day issues that affect the living world.

The real future (ie, tomorrow) will only be affected by the actions of today - we can use educated probability to foresee an outcome, therefore, we can talk about the future (in some cases) as being set.

[RESiNATE]

And there is no hope :(

[bob banana]

ok ok, but yeah it still realtes
wht im sayin is that in the future there is hopw, bith in heaven and in earth future
whilst the past is just that, smthn thats hapened but u cant change
like ppl lov the fact they have a choice, what makes us human too (e.g if a tiger attackts u and ur wit a friend run in difirent directions, coz its hard for the tiger to make a choice sinse its liek inate behaviour just tells him to chace the one pray notlike selct well this human seems 2 k heavier and 3 inche s taller so ill pik him) any wauy yeah,sinve future has choice in it and past doesnt ppl prefere future.......

[RESiNATE]

There are no choices.
(bad grammar lol)

I would choose not to work, and to live my life how I ideally want to.
But I cannot - I have no choice but to conform to the protocol of society.
If I don't work, I cannot have the things that would ideally make my life better (internet, PS2, family, etc etc etc) - therefore, I do not have choice.

The past is something that we can (should) learn from, which in turn will make the future a better place to go. Unfortunately, people seem not to heed the warnings of the past, and stumble needlessly into the future and wonder why it all went wrong.

If a Tiger leaps for you, you do not have a choice, the Tiger does.
The Tiger could run both you, and your friend down, then eat you both at it's leisure.
If you stand...you die
If you run...you die
No choices, only inevitability.

What choices do you think that are really yours to make?

[RESiNATE]

Define 'hope'.

[bob banana]

by :RESINATE
If I don't work, I cannot have the things that would ideally make my life better (internet, PS2, family, etc etc etc)\
definatley see the order of preferences in ur life!!!!!!!!!!, but does weed come AFTER family?

but dude.
i actually believe that we have no choice wats so ever, that its just an illusion, u see a white icexream and a red one, and a series of chemical process lead bby the DNA tell u its the red one. u think u made the choice but ur body process eliminated the otehr one and figured out that the red one had to be it. u never had the choice since it was imposible for u to chose the white one under does circumstances. if u go back in tim eu'll always choose the red one...

[RESiNATE]

But why would you choose the red one, over the white one?
Why is it impossible to choose the white one, just because there is a red one?

Is it because you've never had a red one?

lol

It is impossible to travel in time and make a change, because of the implications of the time-space continuem; you are but one tiny piece of the whole, and therefore you alone could nopt change an outcome from a past decision - everyone would ahve to go back in time, and make all the same decisions just to ensure that your change can be implemented.lol
What if the ice cream vendor decidied not to serve you, if he went back in time? Then you could not make a change in your decision, thus the time-space continuem is upset, and the ramifications of such could render you in a void of non-existence.
You would arrive at a point in time, where you have to make a choice that isn't there!
You'd be stuck in limbo

lol

[Euphoric]

wow reinstate i have no idea what you are talking about..hehe.. but im starting to think that you should maybe write a book. id buy it. maybe some interesting illustrations would be spiffy. :D

[mikee1422]

within that whole there are many other wholes, as far as philosophy you are correct, but it is also true that you can learn only if you wish or you can do as I.... pick and choose what works best for your life and create your own style, that is true creativeness, something that society has prevented ever since the incorporation of the money system.... oh frickin well it's beddy time for Bonzo, be good and take care of yourself.. ;) ;) ;)

P.S. Is it really white or is it really red, let me know the truth..hehe

[RESiNATE]

lol@write a book

I guess that one needs to look at the bigger picture.
Like, if you look at a wall, you may see one colour.
Stand back a little, and you might see more colours.
Stand even further back, and soon, you'll see a picture that incorporates all those colours, and translates those colours into an image.

It's easy to think that our individual lives are important, but when you look from a bit further back, you'll realise that your life is but one tiny piece of a larger engine.

My thought processes dwell on the problem of the engine, rather than my tiny little cog.

:D

[mikee1422]

I agree that life is not singular in nature and the infinite vastness of our universe, as for everones life being a small part of this large engine, our lives are still a part of the whole...no
As for my question being how do you know colors even exist, did the universe tell you so.... and did it say what color was blue and what was red, same picture don't you agree,,,,,,,,to each his own

[RESiNATE]

within that whole there are many other wholes

P.S. Is it really white or is it really red, let me know the truth..hehe

lol..I obviously prempted your agreement, Mikee lol

As to the colour.
The important factor is not the colour, but what the colour means to you.
Our individuality will decide which colour is most important to us, but the choice is only there because of indecision of the whole.
ie, if the red one didn't sell, then there would only be white.
Greed for maximum profits, dictate the choices available to us.

;)

[bob banana]

But why would you choose the red one, over the white one?
Why is it impossible to choose the white one, just because there is a red one?

Is it because you've never had a red one?

lol

It is impossible to travel in time and make a change, because of the implications of the time-space continuem; you are but one tiny piece of the whole, and therefore you alone could nopt change an outcome from a past decision - everyone would ahve to go back in time, and make all the same decisions just to ensure that your change can be implemented.lol
What if the ice cream vendor decidied not to serve you, if he went back in time? Then you could not make a change in your decision, thus the time-space continuem is upset, and the ramifications of such could render you in a void of non-existence.
You would arrive at a point in time, where you have to make a choice that isn't there!
You'd be stuck in limbo

lol
u totally dont get what iom tryin to say
i cant explain it any clearer, try smokin som ejoints and rread over it agin (normally with js i ahve a dif persp. on things)
its like i know it is imp to go bak in time
but im sayi that if u DID(evntho u cant)turn time bak to 1 year b4 the dessition, evry one would exctly the same things up that moment
and then u would do the sam edecision....
do u understand?

[RESiNATE]

But to a colour-blind person, there is no colour, so whjat choice do they have?
lol

[mikee1422]

but the choice is only there because of indecision of the whole. I say that is because we do not know the truth which is the end, like the Beatles say the Love you Make is Equal to the Love Take......

[apsinthion]

u totally dont get what iom tryin to say
i cant explain it any clearer, try smokin som ejoints and rread over it agin (normally with js i ahve a dif persp. on things)
its like i know it is imp to go bak in time
but im sayi that if u DID(evntho u cant)turn time bak to 1 year b4 the dessition, evry one would exctly the same things up that moment
and then u would do the sam edecision....
do u understand?

Totaly fucking not mate. :p

[bob banana]

Totaly fucking not mate. :p
FUK
I GIVE UP

WILL NO ON EEVER UNDERSTAND WHAT IM TRYIN TO EXPLAIN TO THIS SOCIETY?

[mikee1422]

A blind person as a mental retarded person is a free spirit as he has never had the opportunity to experience the world of not knowing the truth as we have, his indeciveness of what is and what is not is minimized, Lucky Folks.....Although I would never wish and probably wish that all persons of inflictions were not to be.... they deserve to experience life to the fullest until the end...

[RESiNATE]

its like i know it is imp to go bak in time
but im sayi that if u DID(evntho u cant)turn time bak to 1 year b4 the dessition, evry one would exctly the same things up that moment
and then u would do the sam edecision....
do u understand?

If you were totally unaware of the future that you had just come from, then yes, you would make the same decision
It's like reading a book for the second time...nothing would have changed.

But, if you had the advantage of knowing the future from whench you came, then you would make a different decision, because human nature would dictate that you do.
The human psyche is driven by the universal question of 'what happens if...?', and so, by the very nature of our existence, given the opportunity, we would make a different choice.
Then, and only then, would you have true choice.

[mikee1422]

Banana Man,

I think I know exactly what you are saying and believe me I agree, but there has to be a fuckin truthful reason why it's the way it is, that all I am saying

[mikee1422]

resinate, complete logic in what you say, but you can not fool destiny, my question why can't we fool destiny, what the big deal and why is it that way.... only the truth will tell.....

[bob banana]

If you were totally unaware of the future that you had just come from, then yes, you would make the same decision
It's like reading a book for the second time...nothing would have changed.

But, if you had the advantage of knowing the future from whench you came, then you would make a different decision, because human nature would dictate that you do.
The human psyche is driven by the universal question of 'what happens if...?', and so, by the very nature of our existence, given the opportunity, we would make a different choice.
Then, and only then, would you have true choice.
EXACTLY EXACTLY
NOW U UNDERSTAND
but what im sayin is that if u had no knowledge of the future, you wiould mak ethe same decission coz there never was a choice in the first place
ur dna tells u to choose the red and it would never consider choosin the white
and if u went bak in tim ethat in reality would be ur future if u have knowledge
coz teh expiriences already happaned even if u go bak in tim ethey are part of ur pastthus the new past is in reality the future

[RESiNATE]

A blind person as a mental retarded person is a free spirit as he has never had the opportunity to experience the world of not knowing the truth as we have, his indeciveness of what is and what is not is minimized, Lucky Folks.....Although I would never wish and probably wish that all persons of inflictions were not to be.... they deserve to experience life to the fullest until the end...

Ignorance is bliss, then lol

However, their world is a world that is narrated to them by others - and their prejudicies.
A blind person can only question life from the information that is provided to them by interpretation - they cannot question what they are seeing, as they cannot see to pass judgement on such.
ie, their 'interpretator' might say that the person stood in front of them is fat, but how can a blind person define 'fat'?
They can only define 'fat' from a mental image that they have formed within their mind. An image made from either touch, smell, or sound - or indeed, an interpretation from written media in the form of braile.
Who's to say that the author of such written matter, isn't predisposed to over-zealousness when describing 'fat'?


The truth is what ever you believe it to be.

[mikee1422]

The truth is what ever you believe it to be. I do not agree why is fat fat, what does fat mean, who told you this, is fat overweight, what is overweight....don't you get it everything around you and your perceptions could be the untruth...ONLY THE UNIVERSE KNOWS!!!!!

[RESiNATE]

resinate, complete logic in what you say, but you can not fool destiny, my question why can't we fool destiny, what the big deal and why is it that way.... only the truth will tell.....

Ah, now you are talking lol

There are two factors that ultimately rule our lives (imo)

First there is DESTINY.
DESTINY is the the place where we end up, after all the trials and tribulations of our lives are expended. We do not know our destiny, for to know that would upset our journey and path to it. Our destiny is a thing that is beyond our comprhension of life. It could be something as simple as getting run down by a car.

Secondly, there is FATE.
FATE is the thing that steers us along the path to our destiny. It (She) provides us with life changing situations that we must approach with the tools gained from previous lessons from FATE. Or, some might call it a choice.

I think of life as being a corridor of rooms, and each room is a 'lesson' from FATE that gains us an experience that we can draw upon in later life.
Sometimes, those lessons are harsh and obscure.
But, if we look back upon our lives, we will see that those lessons were necessary in order to get us to where we are now.

[mikee1422]

You have a good point, my question is that maybe if we knew the truth, destiny might not come into play, it would be everlasting bliss and of course fate will always be there shit happens, but with the truth IE everlasting bliss who would care

[RESiNATE]

The truth is what ever you believe it to be. I do not agree why is fat fat, what does fat mean, who told you this, is fat overweight, what is overweight....don't you get it everything around you and your perceptions could be the untruth...ONLY THE UNIVERSE KNOWS!!!!!

lol..because, my interpretation of the truth is that 'fat', is 'overweight'
I have no other reference to draw upon, when addressing the issue of what is 'fat'. Therefore, my 'truth' (what I believe it to be), is that 'fat' is 'overweight'.

'Fat' is just a verbal (and written) reference, or description of a physical state.

[mikee1422]

Come on,,,, are you telling me that you are not a seeking mind, I do not believe that after talking to you for the last half hour

[RESiNATE]

If we knew the truth, we would not be...it's as simple as that.

Humans need a belief system to qualify their existence.
It's sentience.
Without a qualification to our existence, then there would be worldwide anarchy lol

[RESiNATE]

lol...I am a seeking mind, but I fail to see my questions answered in human form.
I try to think outside of the human box, but it is all just conjecture, isn't it?

I'm not religious, so I find no answers there.

Where else do I look?

[mikee1422]

Exactly my point of the truth being the end.... when that comes only the universe knows, everything we say, see believe is based on beliefs....
Oh, so we have a perfect society or is it one of sophisticated anarchy...hmmm

[mikee1422]

Do you damnest to get in tune with the universe and everything that is has provided for us, I fault every damn day of my life but I try to stay in tune with the Mother and am alway indebted for everything that the universe has done for us, Big Bang the chances of what happened umpteen trillion years ago to put us where we are today is infinitissmly to almost impossible, but it happened, I always wonder why, don't you......


lol...I am a seeking mind, but I fail to see my questions answered in human form.
I try to think outside of the human box, but it is all just conjecture, isn't it?

I'm not religious, so I find no answers there.

Where else do I look?

[RESiNATE]

lol..our society is far from perfect, of that you can be sure.
I despise the protocol of society, and choose to distance myself as far from it as I can.

So, you think that the Universe is sentient?
What drives the universe?
To what ends does the Universe choose to hide from us the truth?

Sophisticated anarchy?
No, control by propoganda, I think lol

The masses are like sheep; they are told how to think, how to act, and how to live their lives.
The protocol demands that they conform to a set of ideals that are pertinent to them and their needs.
To break from the protocol (or society's dictates) will see you enter a very lonely and alienated existence - because you do not conform to it's ideals.

However, there is a bigger picture, I believe, one that is hidden from even those who design the protocol.
The Universe, as you call it.

But, what drives the Universe?
And why?

[mikee1422]

Shit resinate I really wish we all knew that one, I really do, I mean maybe we could make ammends or whatever to make this place called Earth a Better Place for Everyone, kind of sucks huh

[RESiNATE]

I try to stay in tune with the Mother and am alway indebted for everything that the universe has done for us, Big Bang the chances of what happened umpteen trillion years ago to put us where we are today is infinitissmly to almost impossible, but it happened, I always wonder why, don't you......

And the sooner that the majority of humanity realise this, the better lol

If we look at the basic fragility of life on Earth, can we really say that it is a fluke of Nature?

Of course not...not if you look at the bigger picture.
I argued timelessly with an old friend of mine, who said that we are just here to live our lives.
She said that we are born, then we die..and that's it.
I respect her more than most, but find her reasoning to be slightly 'humanistic'.
The Earth that we live upon is not a freak of Nature, it is a place designed for us to carry out a predefined mission. What that mission is, I don't know; maybe it is just to answer a billion simple questions -but all of those questions must be under the main banner of 'what happens if...?'

But who is asking the question?

[RESiNATE]

The trouble is that we can only think on human terms...

Some might say that the Earth is just one tiny atom within a chemical body...
Some may say that we are part of a lab experiment...

But, those theories are still based upon the laws of human physics, and so to comprehend such things is folly, as we can disregard them as flights of fancy; if it were true, then our perception of light is completely wrong, for a start.

If indeed our perception of light was right in the first place lmaoooo

[mikee1422]

Just a friendly conversation..... no more no less

[RESiNATE]

Just a friendly conversation..... no more no less

lol..but so many theories addressed, and without discussion, there can be no understanding lol

I always ask the question.
Because to not ask the question, is to close your mind to the answers.
Then, life truly does become pointless lol

I wish I could be around when the 'truth' is told...I bet there will be alot of disappointed people lomaoooo

[RESiNATE]

*stretches, and removes numb bum from chair*

I enjoyed that lol...but now my head hurts and my finger tips are bleeding lol, so I'm gonna make a cup of tea and roll myself an unloaded rollie (grr)...lol

[RESiNATE]

Fucking chickens have alot to answer for !!!

[Imotep]

man....
lol.
fucken hell....
:D

[RESiNATE]

Yep lol

[psychocat]

The teeth in a humans mouth are suited to eating anything , animal or vegetable ....


Yummy meat , pork mmmmmmm! beef, lovely.
(Psycho does quick Gollum impression)
My precious , my chicky ,..

[psychocat]

My chicken!!

[RESiNATE]

roflmfao
Nice one, Psycho :D

[Euphoric]

that image seems altered in some way...cant quite put my finger on it, though...hmmmm....

[Lulu]

Wow great avatar Euphoric ;)

[Euphoric]

ooh thank you :)

[RESiNATE]

that image seems altered in some way...cant quite put my finger on it, though...hmmmm....

lol, Euphoric...don't be so critical.....it was a good effort.....so the background colour is wrong, so what! hehehehe
:D


And, yeps@your Av...I'm kinda getting some sort of subliminal message....

.....must smoke cannabis.......lots....

Nah, I think it's just in my mind!:D
lol

[Mrs PotatoHead]

My chicken!!
Nice piece of jewellery....Would you wear it round your neck?