Anti American

[psychocat]

I consider myself a lot of things and I am often accused of being many more, it's all good since I consider myself most of all to be thick skinned and I really don't give a damn what others think of me but I am a cat and therefore curious.

3 Questions :

What is anti-American ?

If I dislike American politics does that make me AA* even though I love certain things about and from America (Arlen Ness Harleys, Alice Cooper) ?

Do you believe me to be AA*?

*anti american

[ChronicMike]

I hate anti americans.
if you dont like america get the fuck out move to kualumpur and dig ditches for a bowl of rice and a pair of fake Nike's.

Thats how i feel.

[dryst]

anti american...u sound like a nazi ro something dude...id watch what u post...the feds dont need as much as they used to since 9/11 to bust a muther fuckers door in and ruin their life...

[dryst]

lemme tell u something about american political situation...80% of americans hate the government to....

[ChronicMike]

lemme tell u something about american political situation...80% of americans hate the government to....


And they have no clue how good they really have it.

[psychocat]

I hate anti americans.
if you dont like america get the fuck out move to kualumpur and dig ditches for a bowl of rice and a pair of fake Nike's.

Thats how i feel.

First point : you never answered the question , define anti american ?
Second point : I am not American and would not like to be ty,nor do I live in Kualalumpur, nor dig ditches for rice and Nikes are overpriced shit.

Please at least make an attempt to convince me you are a rational person.

[benagain]

Ehh, I don't know of anything you've said to be anti american. You can disagree with the polititians and the media and such (most of us do to) all you want. It's your opinion and you're welcome to it. What I don't like is when people assume all americans are the same. Allthough most of us like our hamburgers, we like 'em different ways. The US is a very very diverse polulation. It's practically impossible to assume everyone feels the same way on every issue. If anything we all have in common for the most part, is we like it here. We all do our part to make it better, we love our country and we're proud of what we can do when we all get along. Don't stereotype and you're fine by me :thumbsup:

[Bong30]

I consider myself a lot of things and I am often accused of being many more, it's all good since I consider myself most of all to be thick skinned and I really don't give a damn what others think of me but I am a cat and therefore curious.

3 Questions :

What is anti-American ?

If I dislike American politics does that make me AA* even though I love certain things about and from America (Arlen Ness Harleys, Alice Cooper) ?

Do you believe me to be AA*?

*anti american
I voted YES......I would vote yes on a bunch of you.

I wont tell you what anti american is but This is an Email my wife sent me...

VVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVV VVVVVVV

This is an absolutely beautiful tribute to our United States of America. Say what you may we still have the best country in the world. I thought this to be worthy of passing on. And an Australian wrote it. Many people love America - many people don't. But it is what it is and we are blessed (my humble opinion).


Written by an Australian Dentist....and too good to delete....

To Kill an American

You probably missed it in the rush of news last week, but there was actually a report that someone in Pakistan had published in a newspaper an offer of a reward to anyone who killed an American, any American.


So an Australian dentist wrote an editorial the following day to let everyone know what an American is . So they would know when they found one. (Good one, mate!!!!)


"An American is English, or French, or Italian, Irish, German, Spanish, Polish, Russian or Greek. An American may also be Canadian, Mexican, African, Indian, Chinese, Japanese, Korean, Australian, Iranian, Asian, or Arab, or Pakistani or Afghan.


An American may also be a Comanche, Cherokee, Osage, Blackfoot, Navaho, Apache, Seminole or one of the many other tribes known as native Americans.


An American is Christian, or he could be Jewish, or Buddhist, or Muslim.
In fact, there are more Muslims in America than in Afghanistan. The only difference is that in America they are free to worship as each of them chooses.


An American is also free to believe in no religion. For that he will answer only to God, not to the government, or to armed thugs claiming to speak for the government and for God.


An American lives in the most prosperous land in the history of the world.
The root of that prosperity can be found in the Declaration of Independence, which recognizes the God given right of each person to the pursuit of happiness.


An American is generous. Americans have helped out just about every other nation in the world in their time of need, never asking a thing in return.


When Afghanistan was over-run by the Soviet army 20 years ago, Americans came with arms and supplies to enable the people to win back their country!


As of the morning of September 11, Americans had given more than any other nation to the poor in Afghanistan. Americans welcome the best of everything...the best products, the best books, the best music, the best food, the best services. But they also welcome the least.


The national symbol of America, The Statue of Liberty , welcomes your tired and your poor, the wretched refuse of your teeming shores, the homeless, tempest tossed. These in fact are the people who built America.


Some of them were working in the Twin Towers the morning of September 11, 2001 earning a better life for their families. It's been told that the World Trade Center victims were from at least 30 different countries, cultures, and first languages, including those that aided and abetted the terrorists.
< BR>
So you can try to kill an American if you must. Hitler did. So did General Tojo, and Stalin, and Mao Tse-Tung, and other blood-thirsty tyrants in the world. But, in doing so you would just be killing yourself. Because Americans are not a particular people from a particular place. They are the embodiment of the human spirit of freedom. Everyone who holds to that spirit, everywhere, is an American.

Please keep this going!
Pass this around the World ?
Then pass it around again.
It says it all, for all of us


And did you know, Australia is the only country that has stood by the United States through all wars?



PRETTY MUCH SAYS IT ALL:thumbsup:

[slipknotpsycho]

if the only way to support your country was to love everything about it... well absolutely no one would be supporting their country.... even more so, if people go against the political side of a country, it doesn't mean they're anti-<insert country> it means they don't agree wtih the beliefs of whoever is in charge at the time.....

that's really all a country is, it's taking turns using diffrent beliefs, laws ect ect....

[Bong30]

You dont have to love every thing about it....

Just the Idea of it... And know the WE US Me and you can make a change

[ronjohn420]

And they have no clue how good they really have it.

thats why you should stay right where you are...

mr. i live in jamica and like to kiss uncle sams ass and talk shit to honest americans, who disagree with their government for staging 9/11 and breaking the geneva convention on prisioners and charging us $3.10 for gas

yeah just keep talkin about what you do not know

(although i do respect your opinion)

[dopesmoker]

I am anti-american government. I've met some cool people from america, and theres some nice places to see.

[Bong30]

Bong30 demonstrates the typical attitude of many American people - If you don't agree with the politcal system, then you are its enemy.

So much for freedom of speech.


Freedom of speech, yeah boy, just watch what you say.....


Freedom of speech, yeah boy, just watch what you say.....

who is the artist? Come on guys...

[ronjohn420]

Freedom of speech, yeah boy, just watch what you say.....


Freedom of speech, yeah boy, just watch what you say.....

who is the artist? Come on guys...

and the award to the best cannabis.com superhero avitar goes tooooo.................

bong 30

congrats :dance:

[Bong30]

Yeah But who "raps" <<<Clue..... that song
If you cant tell me that i will have NO respect left for you....Freedom of speech yeah boy just watch what you say..........

I am Mr Incridible.......I am just hangin as Bob Parr right now though...

would you like to see some pics? OK

[ronjohn420]

Yeah But who "raps" <<<Clue..... that song
If you cant tell me that i will have NO respect left for you....Freedom of speech yeah boy just watch what you say..........

I am Mr Incridible.......I am just hangin as Bob Parr right now though...

would you like to see some pics? OK

HAHA.. dude your the nut job... lol

yeah "mental help needed"

at least i can put my face on my shit.... whats wrong are you ashamed...:(

[Bong30]

Yeah Thats it...Im ashamed.... you got me!!!!! Man you are smart.....Good job


Hey Ron.. I know you will know what im talking about.

Im good enough to get a Bikini Buyer, Hot as hell woman, at ASR right now, could be a REEF model.... so STFU....

2 great kids...........ahh the life.

[Oneironaut]

I am often accused of being an anti-American, for a number of reasons:
1) I advocate the abolition of the American government.
2) I oppose "traditional American" values like Christianity and capitalism.
3) I oppose the concept of nationality and regard humanity as a single human race, fundamentally undivided by the artificial lines that states have drawn on the map.

I don't feel there should be a thing called the United States of America, but that doesn't mean I oppose the 300 million inhabitants of this artificial land division, or the land itself; just the tiny elite in charge who tell everybody else what to do. I'd celebrate if the president were assassinated, I'd burn an American flag in a second, and I'd love to see the time when the United States is nothing more than an interesting chapter in history books, but the minute you attack the innocent Americans themselves (or members of any nationality for that matter) you become my enemy.

Patriotism is stupid. Being proud of having been born in America makes just as much sense as being proud of having been born white.

[Bong30]

Excuse me? You know, i'd actually like to have a decent discussion with you, as you seem to have some interesting ideas and viewpoints.

Unfortunately you never seem to want to seriously argue anything. Instead you just make childish comebacks at anyone that disagrees with you.
You guys suck... NO soul, no depth, Just surface hate.



ICE-T LYRICS

"Freedom of Speech"

[Intro]

A-yo Ice, man. I'm working on this term paper for college. What's the
First Amendment?

[Verse 1]

Freedom of Speech, that's some motherfuckin' bullshit
You say the wrong thing, they'll lock your ass up quick
The FCC says "Profanity - No Airplay"?
They can suck my dick while I take a shit all day
Think I give a fuck about some silly bitch named Gore?
Yo PMRC, here we go, raw
Yo Tip, what's the matter? You ain't gettin' no dick?
You're bitchin' about rock'n'roll, that's censorship, dumb bitch
The Constitution says we all got a right to speak
Say what we want Tip, your argument is weak
Censor records, TV, school books too
And who decides what's right to hear? You?
Hey PMRC, you stupid fuckin' assholes
The sticker on the record is what makes 'em sell gold
Can't you see, you alcoholic idiots
The more you try to suppress us, the larger we get

[Verse 2]

[You have the right to remain silent]
Fuck that right! I want the right to talk
I want the right to speak, I want the right to walk
Where I wanna, yell and I'm gonna
Tell and rebel every time I'm on a
Microphone on the stage cold illin'
The knowledge I drop will be heard by millions
We ain't the problems, we ain't the villains
It's the suckers deprivin' the truth from our children
You can't hide the fact, Jack
There's violence in the streets every day, any fool can recognise that
But you try to lie and lie
And say America's some motherfuckin' apple pie
Yo, you gotta be high to believe that
You're gonna change the world by a sticker on a record sleeve
Cos once you take away my right to speak
Everybody in the world's up shit creek

[Verse 3]

Let me tell you about down south
Where a motherfucker might as well not even have a mouth
Columbus, Georgia, said they'd lock me up
If I got on the stage in my show and said "Fuck"
So I thought for a minute and said "No,
I wasn't even gonna do a damned show"
Cos for me to change my words from my rhymes
Is never gonna happen cos there's no sell outs on mine
But I vowed to get those motherfuckers one day
They even arrested Bobby Brown and Cool J
Yo, they got their's comin', cos I'm mad and I'm gunnin'
Homeboys, and there's no runnin'
I'm gonna tell you how I feel about you
No bull, no lies, no slack, just straight fact
Columbus, Georgia, you can suck my dick
You ain't nothin' but a piece of fuckin' shit on the damned map

[Verse 4]

Freedom of Speech, let 'em take it from me
Next they'll take it from you, then what you gonna do?
Let 'em censor books, let 'em censor art
PMRC, this is where the witch hunt starts
You'll censor what we see, we read, we hear, we learn
The books will burn
You better think it out
We should be able to say anything, our lungs were meant to shout
Say what we feel, yell out what's real
Even though it may not bring mass appeal
Your opinion is yours, my opinion is mine
If you don't like what I'm sayin'? Fine
But don't close it, always keep an open mind
A man who fails to listen is blind
We only got one right left in the world today
Let me have it or throw The Constitution away

[Outro (Jello Biafra)]

What they're trying to do with radio, with this, uh, McCarron-Walter
Act and a lot of other ways, is start by saying that they're
protecting the public from wicked rock bands, or girlie magazines, or
whatever. But, if you follow the chain of dominoes that falls down,
what they're really trying to do is shut off our access to information
itself.

If they can't do it by law they know there's other ways to do it.

[ronjohn420]

bong youre a queer...UnitedWeFall actaully had a good msg. to you and you break out with ICE-T lyrics

haha, you really crack me up

all you did was prove UnitedWeFall right........you have 2 kids, maybe thats why you act like one:confused:

holy shit...... thats it

your a man in a kids body, thats why youve got that avitar

ROLMAO

[Bong30]

bong youre a queer...UnitedWeFall actaully had a good msg. to you and you break out with ICE-T lyrics

haha, you really crack me up

That was the awnser to the question.... who sang The Song with Freedom of speech just watch what you say.....

ICE T was the awnser.....


There might be hope for United we fall yet... you Ron, Im not to sure about

[Ozarks]

Bong30 demonstrates the typical attitude of many American people - If you don't agree with the politcal system, then you are its enemy.

So much for freedom of speech.

Yes, that IS FREEDOM OF SPEECH, and he has every right to say it. Even if it's wrong, even if it makes you uncomfortably. even if it offends you. It is one of the "rights" every one in America has, even non-citizens.

It is one of many many principles, that has made the United States of America the envy of the world.:thumbsup:

Are you AA ? Who cares ?

[ronjohn420]

Excuse me? You know, i'd actually like to have a decent discussion with you, as you seem to have some interesting ideas and viewpoints.

Unfortunately you never seem to want to seriously argue anything. Instead you just make childish comebacks at anyone that disagrees with you.

that above has nothing to do with ICE-T lyrics......

please give up

you must be related to george W in some way.......

btw.... can you get that "aviatar" to do some gif. animation or something..

no hold up, ive got one better

[ronjohn420]

Yes, that IS FREEDOM OF SPEECH, and he has every right to say it. Even if it's wrong, even if it makes you uncomfortably. even if it offends you. It is one of the "rights" every one in America has, even non-citizens.

It is one of many many principles, that has made the United States of America the envy of the world.:thumbsup:

Are you AA ? Who cares ?

not freedom of speech when you shove your point of veiw on everybody who has a waivering opinion.....

he's been up my ass ever since i took up for GS in that grey truck thread

[Ozarks]

not freedom of speech when you shove your point of veiw on everybody who has a waivering opinion.....


Nonsense, some ones opinion "wavering" or not as nothing to do with it. If you don't agree either response or shut up, buy don't try to justify (because there is none) saying he don't have the RIGHT to express his opinion, just like you.



he's been up my ass ever since i took up for GS in that grey truck thread

You've been right there with him tit, for tat.

[birdgirl73]

I am often accused of being an anti-American, for a number of reasons:
1) I advocate the abolition of the American government.
2) I oppose "traditional American" values like Christianity and capitalism.
3) I oppose the concept of nationality and regard humanity as a single human race, fundamentally undivided by the artificial lines that states have drawn on the map.

I don't feel there should be a thing called the United States of America, but that doesn't mean I oppose the 300 million inhabitants of this artificial land division, or the land itself; just the tiny elite in charge who tell everybody else what to do. I'd celebrate if the president were assassinated, I'd burn an American flag in a second, and I'd love to see the time when the United States is nothing more than an interesting chapter in history books, but the minute you attack the innocent Americans themselves (or members of any nationality for that matter) you become my enemy.

Patriotism is stupid. Being proud of having been born in America makes just as much sense as being proud of having been born white.
Oneironaut, I never fail to be impressed by your uncannily strong verbal ability, particularly for one so young. But I confess that I'm often struck lately, too, by your misanthropic streak. Perhaps this is simply your anarchistic front, the intentional impetuous young provocateur. Sometimes I see so much dislike for everything you comment on, however, that I worry about your own happiness with yourself. I hope that with continued maturity and education and travel (and I realize you're in college and also that you've done some traveling) you will mellow a bit and not find quite so much to denounce.

I'm guessing, based on what you said above, then, that you're quite comfortable with your anti-American sentiments even if you can tolerate the individual population. I felt tremendously sad to hear you say you'd readily burn an American flag or celebrate if the president were assasinated. Do you really mean that about an assassination? I should hope you wouldn't wish a violent, unnecessary death on anyone, even a political figure you disagreed with. I certainly don't. I don't always agree with him or his administration, but I wouldn't wish such violence on anyone, and certainly not on my nation's leader or on my nation itself. A nation which I'm very proud to live in, stupid as you may feel that sentiment is.

Bong, a quick word to you. On your more even, less in-your-face days, even you concede that you don't like or support everything about our country and its current leaders. I've heard you say as much on several occasions. You do know people can be ambivalent about politics and leaders and still believe strongly in their country. You may not admit that right here, but I know you well enough to know you do!

[Green Love]

I don't like how everything about the government is run, but then everyone has their own opinion to how things ought to be done. We got our freedom, and who cares if we # 1, wtf's that matter, buck the fck up. Atleast we ain't puppets in china's eyes, like the rest of the fcking world. Damn, scared mofo's. We out their fighting a nvr ending war, to save your pussy asses, cause your governments to chicken, to grow some balls of their own.

[Breukelen advocaat]

I consider myself a lot of things and I am often accused of being many more, it's all good since I consider myself most of all to be thick skinned and I really don't give a damn what others think of me but I am a cat and therefore curious. 3 Questions :What is anti-American ?
If I dislike American politics does that make me AA* even though I love certain things about and from America (Arlen Ness Harleys, Alice Cooper) ?
Do you believe me to be AA*?
*anti american

Is this whole thread and poll supposed to revolve around the perception of psychocat's image and opinions, just the question of Anti-Americanism in general, or both? This whole thing strikes me as rather narcissistic. What the fuck does liking "Alice Cooper" have to do with anything in American politics?

P.S. I did not participate in the "poll".

[Cas]

I wouldn't call myself anti-american but there's a lot of bullshit in this country right now that a lot of people seem to be sick of. mostly the lies, deceit, unethical issues, and other things that are just nauseating. but i guess politics have always been like this.

[psychocat]

Is this whole thread and poll supposed to revolve around the perception of psychocat's image and opinions, just the question of Anti-Americanism in general, or both? This whole thing strikes me as rather narcissistic. What the fuck does liking "Alice Cooper" have to do with anything in American politics?

P.S. I did not participate in the "poll".

If you read the original post you will see that the first question is WHAT IS ANTI AMERICAN ?

From what you've written I garner that you believe that if I disagree with the goverment that makes me AA ??
However since I don't hate all things American or even hate Americans how does that make me anti American ?

Surely a broad statement like "You're Anti American" should cover all things American and not just because someone doesn't like certain things ?

Really it's about the (IMO) idiots who think that by calling someone AA that it means their opinion isn't valid, it's kinda like the way some people use the word "liberal". ??

As for what people think of me , I really think I should give an explanation of my sig : DILLIGAF ! = Do I Look Like I Give A Fuck ?

[Weednuts]

Oh brother....the "if you don't love it get out" argument is so old and tired. That is a fascist trick. The fact is if you love your country then you want to change that which you see as being wrong. Ever hear of civil disobedience? I'm sure those who fought against slavery where considered anti-American too. I love America. I love being American. I hate politicans who make rules based on their morals....or worse, who only pretend to make decisions based on morals....when the real reason is greed and power.

So if I don't like that stuff then should I leave America? No, I should promote change because of my love for America.

[PigSnout]

What is anti-American ?

Do you believe me to be AA*?

*anti american

You bash America at will. You see a topic about something that happens in America and you attack America. You make up things about history in order to cast America in a bad light. Without question you are anti American.

here is one example Under Current Events
American Indians Confront Bikers
I looked in expecting to see posts like "it's a sacred ground to them, the bikers can go elsewhere or it's a free country and no one has a right to public land"

Instead here are your anti American posts
"IMO It was their country first before any of the so called Americans of today laid claim to something they had no right to."
You insult us with "so called Americans". Your post added nothing rational to the topic.

"The issue at question is the USA's treatment of modern Indians not ancient ones."
The issue was about bunch of bikers and you irrationally twist that into the USA's treatment of modern Indians. Guess what? Bikers dont represent America

Right after you make the statement "treatment of modern Indians not ancient ones."You say "The planned rally is just an ongoing example of the disrespect shown to the original inhabitants since settlers arrived there". So now it IS about ancient times. You're really out there.

The proof is in the pudding and you've got a bowl full.

[Weednuts]

Excellent! You pretty much summed it all up.

Thanks. I hope to get into some good debates here. Funny tho, I wouldn't think there would be much of this type of debate here. Just goes to show the power of the bud....and its actually a good thing....it shows the movement we ALL care about spans ideological boundaries.

[graymatter]

This guy is my idea of a great american...and a hell of a pitcher in his day. I'm voting for him.


http://www.hour.ca/news/news.aspx?iIDArticle=9966

[psychocat]

You bash America at will. You see a topic about something that happens in America and you attack America. You make up things about history in order to cast America in a bad light. Without question you are anti American.

here is one example Under Current Events
American Indians Confront Bikers
I looked in expecting to see posts like "it's a sacred ground to them, the bikers can go elsewhere or it's a free country and no one has a right to public land"

Instead here are your anti American posts
"IMO It was their country first before any of the so called Americans of today laid claim to something they had no right to."
You insult us with "so called Americans". Your post added nothing rational to the topic.

"The issue at question is the USA's treatment of modern Indians not ancient ones."
The issue was about bunch of bikers and you irrationally twist that into the USA's treatment of modern Indians. Guess what? Bikers dont represent America

Right after you make the statement "treatment of modern Indians not ancient ones."You say "The planned rally is just an ongoing example of the disrespect shown to the original inhabitants since settlers arrived there". So now it IS about ancient times. You're really out there.

The proof is in the pudding and you've got a bowl full.


What I say I stand by and since the country you call home has existed for only 200 odd years the fact remains that it was stolen or coerced out of the hands of the ORIGINAL inhabitants.

If you believe that the treatment of the modern Indians has been anything but disrespectful then you really need to check your "facts".

Once again this is an example of selective reading to only choose to hear what you want and taking things out of context.

You see America to mean all Americans when you should realise (but don't want to) that by that I refer to the decision makers and since that is usualy the goverment or in the case of Sturgis the local goverment that is not all Americans.

I believe most people are just trying to get on with their lives with as little fuss as possible , however we all have a duty to speak out if we believe something to be wrong.

If all this makes me anti American then so be it .

[4fingerlid]

I work with a couple of "neocons" whose sources of news are Newsmax and the Hal Lindsey Oracle. Because we disagree on some political issues such as why we attacked Iraq, I'm called a communist-America hater-Islamo Facist... (you get the picture). Whenever I make an attempt to debate them, I get thrown a bunch of one liners such as "Why dont you go join Al Queda?"
It would be funny except I hear these kinds of kooks on talk radio spouting the same kind of rubbish.

[Crimson King]

Just an American opinion,here...:) and I am sure there will be some insults thrown my way,but these are just my observations as someone who was born and raised here for 35 years.

I personally am embarrassed by our country at times.

We have tremendous opportunites and we don't take advantage of them.We crank out uneducated kids who can't read,can't find the U.S on a world map,who are lazy and would prefer to sit and play on a computer all day.Not that the computer doesn't have it's uses,but the whole "cyber-shorthand" thing just drives me insane.Type the whole word,for God's Sake and speak the King's English!:)

We are the most obese country [60% of adults are obese] in the world with a skyrocketing rate of diabetes in children because we are too lazy to make balanced meals [I'm a chef,so cut me some slack on the food thing,ok?].We advertise to appeal to children to make future fat junkies out of them and parents give in to whining brats wanting McDonald's so they can just shut them up instead of raise them correctly.A study showed even kids as young as 2 could recognize the logos of fast food and soda companies.That's sad.

We don't even discipline our kids because we don't want to shatter their developing egos and then shove pills down their throats because they run wild.

Our President makes the entire country look like a bunch of backwards-assed rednecks.The man can barely get through a speech without some major grammatical screw-up that he plays off as being all down-home and Texas.It's pathetic.Don't even get me started on his handling of the war.Let the Shiites and Sunnis duke it out amongst themselves as they have for years..get us out there!

We are addicted to celebrity.I could care less about Brangelina,Tom Cruise,etc...but that crap even hits the national news at 6 pm and CNN and MSNBC.

Reality television..oh my god.Shoot me now, because it's just staged crap.But as Americans,we love to see someone get ripped to shreds and someone "win" because we text message our opinion in and it makes us feel "important".People won't vote for an elected official,but they are all over some American Idol bullshit!

We want more security after 9/11 and then whine because it takes too long at the airport.Take a look at other countries and the daily terrorism they go through and it makes 9/11 seem rather insignificant.Hell,the Civil War made 9/11 seem insignificant,and we did that to EACH OTHER!

We bitch about illegal aliens,but feel the work they do is "beneath" us.We should be grateful WE don't have to go to another country and work for nothing because there is NO WORK in our own.

alright..enough!

[Weednuts]

Nice post. I agree with everything except the last two bits. I feel where you're coming from though.

[Mark Bryan]

I am often accused of being an anti-American, for a number of reasons:
1) I advocate the abolition of the American government.
2) I oppose "traditional American" values like Christianity and capitalism.
3) I oppose the concept of nationality and regard humanity as a single human race, fundamentally undivided by the artificial lines that states have drawn on the map.

I don't feel there should be a thing called the United States of America, but that doesn't mean I oppose the 300 million inhabitants of this artificial land division, or the land itself; just the tiny elite in charge who tell everybody else what to do. I'd celebrate if the president were assassinated, I'd burn an American flag in a second, and I'd love to see the time when the United States is nothing more than an interesting chapter in history books, but the minute you attack the innocent Americans themselves (or members of any nationality for that matter) you become my enemy.

Patriotism is stupid. Being proud of having been born in America makes just as much sense as being proud of having been born white.
I think this is a narrow minded point of view,but you ARE entitled to your opinion,which is one of the things I love about America. What I HATE about this country or ANY country or state are the bureaucrats/hypocrites in power and the sheeple who vote'em in power despite their corruption like Ted (hiccup) Kennedy or Ray Nagin! I'd prefer someone like Gatewood Galbraith http://www.gatewood.com/speech.html or Chris Conrad www.chrisconrad.com These guys are more moderate and could make America a better country in MY opinion. And no patriotism is NOT stupid if you have the RIGHT values!

[Mark Bryan]

I love America. I love being American. I hate politicans who make rules based on their morals....or worse, who only pretend to make decisions based on morals....when the real reason is greed and power.

So if I don't like that stuff then should I leave America? No, I should promote change because of my love for America.
Weednuts,you reflect my opinion beautifully!:thumbsup: I couldn't have said it better myself!:D :rasta: SMOKE IF YA GOT'EM!

[Mark Bryan]

You bash America at will. You see a topic about something that happens in America and you attack America. You make up things about history in order to cast America in a bad light. Without question you are anti American.

here is one example Under Current Events
American Indians Confront Bikers
I looked in expecting to see posts like "it's a sacred ground to them, the bikers can go elsewhere or it's a free country and no one has a right to public land"

Instead here are your anti American posts
"IMO It was their country first before any of the so called Americans of today laid claim to something they had no right to."
You insult us with "so called Americans". Your post added nothing rational to the topic.

"The issue at question is the USA's treatment of modern Indians not ancient ones."
The issue was about bunch of bikers and you irrationally twist that into the USA's treatment of modern Indians. Guess what? Bikers dont represent America

Right after you make the statement "treatment of modern Indians not ancient ones."You say "The planned rally is just an ongoing example of the disrespect shown to the original inhabitants since settlers arrived there". So now it IS about ancient times. You're really out there.

The proof is in the pudding and you've got a bowl full. HA!:D Try a SATELLITE DISH and a SHOVEL! Good job at exposin' this guy!:thumbsup: :thumbsup: TWO THUMBS UP DUDE! SMOKE A FAT ONE!:rasta:

[Mark Bryan]

What I say I stand by and since the country you call home has existed for only 200 odd years the fact remains that it was stolen or coerced out of the hands of the ORIGINAL inhabitants. As a descendant of the settlers of Jamestown in 1607,I have to respond to this! The FIRST settlers came to Virginia to get away from the repressive policies of the papacy that plagued Europe and England. Jamestown was SETTLED not stolen! We didn't start the wars with the Powhatans,they attacked FIRST!Pocahontas (Matoaka) saved the colony and Smith MORE than once,'cause she didn't see us as the enemy and eventually,she was excommunicated from her tribes by her father himself! Sure there were a few bad apples in the colony,and John Smith (who arrived in chains after bein' falsely accused of mutiny) dealt with those people and kept the colony from goin' under until his gunpowder injury 2-3 years after he arrived! It wasn't until AFTER he left that things started to go wrong,but the original colony wanted to live in peace and only wanted a narrow piece of swampland,which ended up bein a bad choice to begin with!


If you believe that the treatment of the modern Indians has been anything but disrespectful then you really need to check your "facts". I won't defend what we did to them except in cases when WE were attacked by them! As for guys like Custer,he got what he deserved in my opinion!




I believe most people are just trying to get on with their lives with as little fuss as possible , however we all have a duty to speak out if we believe something to be wrong.
I'll agree here. That's what I'M doin'!

If all this makes me anti American then so be it .
You ARE entitled to YOUR opinion!

[Oneironaut]

I'm guessing, based on what you said above, then, that you're quite comfortable with your anti-American sentiments even if you can tolerate the individual population.
What "anti-American" sentiments? I have nothing against Americans. I am no more anti-American than I am anti-Vietnamese, anti-Colombian, anti-Portuguese or anti-Ethiopian. I just hope someday we can get rid of these silly "nations" and come together as a single species.

I felt tremendously sad to hear you say you'd readily burn an American flag
It's just a piece of cloth...a piece of cloth which represents an unjust social system and fosters nationalism. A better idea might be to pile up all the flags of the world's nations and burn them in one big pile. In providing heat they would finally serve a useful purpose.

or celebrate if the president were assasinated. Do you really mean that about an assassination?
I certainly do. There are some people who simply don't deserve to live, and that includes murderous tyrants.

A nation which I'm very proud to live in, stupid as you may feel that sentiment is.
Why are you proud to live in this country? Would you be ashamed to live in another country? Or is your choice entirely arbitrary, in that you are only proud to live here because you happen to live here?

I only take pride in things that I have actually achieved through my own efforts. I don't believe in white pride, or American pride, or heterosexual pride, or male pride, or right-handedness pride, or attached-earlobe pride. I had nothing to do with the conditions of my birth, or the territorial division of land into different nation-states, or the formation of the political system that rules over me, so I find it absurd to be proud of my nation. I am only American because the natives who originally lived here could not defend themselves against an invasion of British settlers, and I happen to live a couple miles south of a line, drawn up by colonial rulers several centuries ago, that used to divide some settlers who decided to found an independent republic in the 1770s from some other settlers who wanted to remain a British colony for another 90 years. Honestly, why should that matter to me?

"I hate patriotism. I can't stand it.... It's a round world, last time I checked." -Bill Hicks

[Ozarks]

As for what people think of me , I really think I should give an explanation of my sig : DILLIGAF ! = Do I Look Like I Give A Fuck ?

If this is true why did you start this thread ?

You are obviously looking for some validation of your opinion, or creating a stage were you can expose other people to your opinions, restate them and defend them.

Your "I'm AA and I don't care what the nieghbors think" attitude is a facade, and this thread proves it. What was the "poll" question again ?

America isn't perfect, but we certainly have many thing to be proud of, many things we have done right. We always try to do the right thing, we aren't always successful, but we try. If you can't bring yourself to appreciate a society because that society's Government lacks perfection thats OK because this is America.:thumbsup: the envy of the world.

BTW when you find a society that has prefect ( I will even settle for better) Government let me know, I won't tell you to move there, I will.

I'll bet you a nickel I die of old age right here.:)

[psychocat]

CURIOSITY !!
Simple really , the point is : how is disagreeing with someone a reason to call them anti anything ? Surely the very statement anti american insinuates that the person hates all things American which is why my very first question was for something that nobody who uses the label anti american has been able to supply up till now.
WHAT IS ANTI AMERICAN ??

Can anyone answer ?

Those who use it most seem the least forthcoming with a definition, is it based purely on political differences or would disliking MacDonalds make me AA* ?
Can anyone clarify the situation?

[pisshead]

have you noticed that those who call others anti-american are usually the ones who have no idea what our country is supposed to be...we have a pretty good outline for a government in the constitution (it's as close to anarchy as you'd want to get without things going to hell, and really far away from dictatorship) and we're so far away from the constitution right now...we're drifting towards northcom/homeland security military dictatorship.

but if you're against the military dictatorship, then you hate america. if you don't ask questions and accept what you're told, then you love it.

[Bong30]

CURIOSITY !!
Simple really , the point is : how is disagreeing with someone a reason to call them anti anything ? Surely the very statement anti american insinuates that the person hates all things American which is why my very first question was for something that nobody who uses the label anti american has been able to supply up till now.
WHAT IS ANTI AMERICAN ??

Can anyone answer ?

Those who use it most seem the least forthcoming with a definition, is it based purely on political differences or would disliking MacDonalds make me AA* ?
Can anyone clarify the situation?

ANTI
English
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Etymology
Treatment of the prefix anti- as an adjective

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Pronunciation
Rhymes: -ænti
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Adjective
anti (comparative more anti, superlative most anti)

Against, opposed to.
I'm very anti that idea.
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Synonyms
against, opposed to
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Antonyms
pro
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Noun
anti (plural antis)

A person opposed to a concept or principle.
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Antonyms
pro
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See also
anti-

American

English
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Etymology
From Modified Latin Americanus (America from Latinized name of Amerigo Vespucci, Italian navigator of 1512).

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Pronunciation
American (noun and adjective)

US: SAMPA: /@"mEr@k@n/, IPA: /ə'mɛrəkən/
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Noun
American (plural Americans)

Singular
American
Plural
Americans


A person born in, or a citizen or inhabitant of, the United States of America.
An inhabitant of the Americas. More often this is specified as either North American or South American.

There ya go....

Just a couple cut and pastes away...........

Psychocat would you like me to search your posts for anti american shit?





Piss just like to post about how bad america is, with no good ideas how to make it better............ Be part of the solution.... not the problem.

[Crimson King]

Nice post. I agree with everything except the last two bits. I feel where you're coming from though.

Thanks for the reply without insult! I appreciate it.

In regards to 9/11,I guess I should clairify that I am just desensitized to it.Yes,it was horrible and destroyed many lives.Yes,it rocked the country to have such a brazen attack on U.S. soil,but when you go through history,humans are very good at one thing: destroying each other in the name of money,land,politics,religion, and power.
We are the only animal that kills for sport,greed,lust,retribution,moral conviction,etc. After a while,I just can't "feel" much except dismay and resignation that this is what we do to each other.We all have our defense mechanisms to keep our sanity.

On the illegal alien issue: I am just speaking from experience here and fully understand the reasons why so many are totally against it,but as a chef and 15 years in this industry,I have worked with quite a few illegals and it boils down to simple humanity.When you hear their stories and what they went through in their own lands and what they did to get here,it really changes your perspective.

Perfect example being a dishwasher or prep person.Now,in a corporate setting,everyone is legal,but the privately-owned places are another entirely.In over a decade,the Mexicans,Guatemalans,Peruvians,etc I have known worked harder than any American doing the same job.The work ethic they have is amazing.

They never complained [like Americans do..lol!],were willing to learn anything you wanted to teach them,never were late, never called in sick and were always very nice and respectful to all fellow employees..they busted ass right along with the rest of the crew 12 to 15 hours a day,6 to 7 days a week.

I don't care if it's a mom and pop place or The Ritz-Carlton,Americans will complain about the work,call in for stupid reasons,have an attitude about doing some job [this is not a glamorous profession;it's HARD WORK] because they feel it's beneath them,took excessive smoke breaks or were always on their damn cell phones.I have had to confiscate many a phone at the start of a shift because people seem to think that it's ok to be paid to socialize.

As a female in a male-dominated industry,I have a tremendous work ethic and expect co-workers and employees to follow suit.I have just experienced more problems with fellow Americans than the amigos who were doing the same job for the same rate of pay....that's all!:)

[psychocat]

ANTI
English
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Etymology
Treatment of the prefix anti- as an adjective

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Pronunciation
Rhymes: -ænti
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Adjective
anti (comparative more anti, superlative most anti)

Against, opposed to.
I'm very anti that idea.
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Synonyms
against, opposed to
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Antonyms
pro
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Noun
anti (plural antis)

A person opposed to a concept or principle.
[edit]
Antonyms
pro
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See also
anti-

American

English
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Etymology
From Modified Latin Americanus (America from Latinized name of Amerigo Vespucci, Italian navigator of 1512).

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Pronunciation
American (noun and adjective)

US: SAMPA: /@"mEr@k@n/, IPA: /ə'mɛrəkən/
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Noun
American (plural Americans)

Singular
American
Plural
Americans


A person born in, or a citizen or inhabitant of, the United States of America.
An inhabitant of the Americas. More often this is specified as either North American or South American.

There ya go....

Just a couple cut and pastes away...........

Psychocat would you like me to search your posts for anti american shit?





Piss just like to post about how bad america is, with no good ideas how to make it better............ Be part of the solution.... not the problem.

So by disagreeing with certain aspects of Americas ideaology and it's goverment and the mindset of certain individuals I am anti - American.
But that of course gives rise to the question of pro American of course.

Am I pro American because I like the way people like George Carlin and Dennis Leary think ?
Or am I pro American because I believe the man who made the biggest impact on the US and other cultures was probably Elvis Presley ?

Surely I can't be pro and anti at the same time?

Would my admiration for Neil Armstrong or Buzz Aldrin be pro or anti ?
How about my love of 50's hotrods or B movies (both American)??
How about Edison ? Genius IMO

See for your definition to work it has to be black or white but that simply isn't the case is it ?

Now tell me again about anti - American without the childish attempts to appear smart.

[Hamlet]

'Anti-American' was used by McCarthy during the Red Scare to justify a witch hunt and the term gives me the weebie-jeebies. You also see it used by sleezy politicians and TV preachers trying to wrap themselves in the flag for unwholesome purposes. The whole dewy-eyed 'I'm a patriot!' song and dance always seems to have hateful motives.

If we're getting badmouthed abroad we certainly deserve it at this point, but I still feel a little prickly when someone is dis'n my home who isn't from here. I suppose it's like my cajun cousins--they can call themselves coonasses but you better not do it.....lol

[graymatter]

My idea of hard work is driving my fat SUV and yelling at people from my cell phone, while chugging Star Bucks and eating Big Macs. After work I'll stop at Wal Mart to buy cheap underwear made by third-world school kids because the company my dad worked for found cheap labor there and the savings were passed on to my fat ass.

On Sunday I'll plop my fat ass on the couch, drink too much beer, eat too many wings and cheese stuffed pizza crust. I'll flip through the football channels with lightning speed. If a friend is over, we'll recall our days of grid iron glory and then talk about the war on terror and why George Bush is like the Clint Eastwood character, Rowdy Yates from the old TV series, Raw Hide.

On Monday I'll get my fat ass out of bed, go to work, and learn that my self important job was just shipped to Costa Rica.

"What the hell?" I think.

So I'll pick up a case of bud and head down to the lake to do some fishing. On the way home I'll run over the neighbors cat (by accident), but I won't let anyone know about it. They'd likely think I ran over the cat because I was drunk and they'd try to slap a cat equivalent charge of manslaughter on me. So I'll throw the dead cat in the back of my SUV.

By 9:30 that evening, and only after attending the neighborhood vigil for the missing cat, I'll let my wife know about the cat and my job. I won't know what she's crying about, but Monday night football is on and the unemployment benefits are good for six months.

[Breukelen advocaat]

My idea of hard work is driving my fat SUV and yelling at people from my cell phone, while chugging Star Bucks and eating Big Macs. After work I'll stop at Wal Mart to buy cheap underwear made by third-world school kids because the company my dad worked for found cheap labor there and the savings were passed on to my fat ass.

On Sunday I'll plop my fat ass on the couch, drink too much beer, eat too many wings and cheese stuffed pizza crust. I'll flip through the football channels with lightning speed. If a friend is over, we'll recall our days of grid iron glory and then talk about the war on terror and why George Bush is like the Clint Eastwood character, Rowdy Yates from the old TV series, Raw Hide.

On Monday I'll get my fat ass out of bed, go to work, and learn that my self important job was just shipped to Costa Rica.

"What the hell?" I think.

So I'll pick up a case of bud and head down to the lake to do some fishing. On the way home I'll run over the neighbors cat (by accident), but I won't let anyone know about it. They'd likely think I ran over the cat because I was drunk and they'd try to slap a cat equivalent charge of manslaughter on me. So I'll throw the dead cat in the back of my SUV.

By 9:30 that evening, and only after attending the neighborhood vigil for the missing cat, I'll let my wife know about the cat and my job. I won't know what she's crying about, but Monday night football is on and the unemployment benefits are good for six months.

Yes, this is a typical plight of the American working man, and you fucking foreigners are all jealous.

I recently bought the first season of RAWHIDE! on DVD. It's a great cowboy show, probably the best ever broadcast, but before the time of most of the readers here - which means that it's not worthwhile to them: No rock and roll, the bad language is subdued, people were neighborly, good usually triumphed over bad, and most people had some values.

[PigSnout]

What I say I stand by and since the country you call home has existed for only 200 odd years the fact remains that it was stolen or coerced out of the hands of the ORIGINAL inhabitants.

If you believe that the treatment of the modern Indians has been anything but disrespectful then you really need to check your "facts".

Once again this is an example of selective reading to only choose to hear what you want and taking things out of context.

You see America to mean all Americans when you should realise (but don't want to) that by that I refer to the decision makers and since that is usualy the goverment or in the case of Sturgis the local goverment that is not all Americans.

I believe most people are just trying to get on with their lives with as little fuss as possible , however we all have a duty to speak out if we believe something to be wrong.

If all this makes me anti American then so be it .

Once again you missed the boat. it's like I'm talking to a child. The point I made, which you ignored, is it was a disagreement between bikers and Native Americans and you decided to bash America. You're in denial.

[PigSnout]

Your poll is a joke. Here is what the two answers should be, period.
Do you believe me to be Anti - American
yes psychocat is
No psychocat is not

Instead you try to twist the explanations around. That's what you do. It's pretty laughable and not surprising. Let me get my hip waders on, the bullshit is getting deep.

Yes you are even if you do like some things

No I believe it's possible to disagree with America and not be it's enemy

Who says you're the enemy even though you disagree? It's not about being in disagrement with policies in your case. It's about you bashing America even when the situation has nothing to do with American policies.
Another example of you twisting words.
You should go into politics, you'd fit right in with the Bush campaign that smeared Kerrys war record.

[Hamlet]

"So I'll pick up a case of bud and head down to the lake to do some fishing. On the way home I'll run over the neighbors cat (by accident), but I won't let anyone know about it. They'd likely think I ran over the cat because I was drunk and they'd try to slap a cat equivalent charge of manslaughter on me. So I'll throw the dead cat in the back of my SUV."

Will get over the fucking cat already?!! Jesus Christ! it attacked my Explorer! What the hell was I gonna do?! Get a god damn dog like everybody else on the block ya comme!!

[Dizz-Oh!]

Who in the whole country is Anti-American!? It's a myth! A meme!! Just because your critical of the government from top to bottom makes you UnPatriotic!? This isn't a democracy it's a freaking PLUTOCRACY!!! There's Nepotism in the White House!!! Career politicians who who don't do half of what they could!!! Ralph Nader wasn't even ALLOWED to debate Bush and Gore the last cycle!!! Anti-war activists are now terrorists!!! Investigative journalism is now conspiracy theory!!! The Republican party has been hijacked by corporate fascists!!! Constitutional Revolution, anyone!?!? C'mon we can all agree on that right!? Is that Anti-American, that I wanna restore state rights and keep bankers out of legislature!? All these goddamn laws make it hard to walk the straight line!!! My grandfather raised seven kids on a factory job!!! I can't even afford to drive and see my mother!!! And Bong30 is quoting Jello friggin Biafra, who thinks there should be an income limit of 100,000 dollars!!!! What the hell is going on!!! I got my own Jello quote:

"Stars And Stripes Of Corruption"

Finally got to Washington in the middle of the night
I couldn't wait
I headed straight for the Capitol Mall
My heart began to pound
Yahoo! It really exists
The American International Pictures logo

I looked up at that Capitol Building
Couldn't help but wonder why
I felt like saying "Hello, old friend"

Walked up the hill to touch it
Then I unzipped my pants
And pissed on it when nobody was looking

Like a great eternal Klansman
With his two flashing red eyes
Turn around he's always watching
The Washington monument pricks the sky
With flags like pubic hair ringed 'round the bottom

The symbols of our heritage
Lit up proudly in the night
Somehow fits to see the homeless people
Passed out on the lawn

So this is where it happens
The power games and bribes
All lobbying for a piece of ass

Of the stars and stripes of corruption
Makes me feel so ashamed
To be an American
When we're too stuck up to learn from our mistakes
Trying to start another Viet Nam
Whilke fiddling while Rome burns at home
The Boss says, "You're laid off. Blame the Japanese"
"America's back," alright
At the game it plays the worst
Strip mining the world like a slave plantation

No wonder others hate us
And the Hitlers we handpick
To bleed their people dry
For our evil empire

The drug we're fed
To make us like it
Is God and country with a band

People we know who should know better
Howl, "America riles. Let's go to war!"
Business scams are what's worth dying for

Are the Soviets our worst enemy?
We're destroying ourselves instead
Who cares about our civil rights
As long as I get paid?

The blind Me-Generation
Doesn't care if life's a lie

so easily used, so proud to enforce

The stars and stripes of corruption
Let's bring it all down!
Tell me who's the real patriots
The Archie Bunker slobs waving flags?
Or the people with the guts to work
For some real change
Rednecks and bombs don't make us strong
We loot the world, yet we can't even feed ourselves
Our real test of strength is caring
Not the toys of war we sell the world
Just carry on, thankful to be farmed like worms
Old glory for a blanket
As you suck on your thumbs

Real freedom scares you
'Cos it means responsibility

So you chicken out and threaten me

Saying, "Love it or leave it"
I'll get beat up if I criticize it
You say you'll fight to the death
To save your worthless flag

If you want a banana republic that bad
Why don't you go move to one
But what can just one of us do?
Against all that money and power
Trying to crush us into roaches?

We don't destroy society in a day
Until we change ourselves first
From the inside out

We can start by not lying so much
And treating other people like dirt
It's easy not to base our lives
On how much we can scam

And you know
It feels good to lift that monkey off our backs

I'm thankful I live in a place
Where I can say the things I do
Without being taken out and shot
So I'm on guard against the goons
Trying to take my rights away
We've got to rise above the need for cops and laws

Let kids learn communication
Instead of schools pushing competition
How about more art and theater instead of sports?

People will always do drugs
Let's legalize them
Crime drops when the mob can't price them
Budget's in the red?
Let's tax religion

No one will do it for us
We'll just have to fix ourselves
Honesty ain't all that hard
Just put Rambo back inside your pants
Causing trouble for the system is much more fun

Thank you for the toilet paper
But your flag is meaningless to me
Look around, we're all people
Who needs countries anyway?

Our land, I love it too
I think I love it more than you
I care enough to fight

The stars and stripes of corruption
Let's bring it all down!
If we don't try
If we just lie
If we can't find
A way to do it better than this
Who will?

[Hamlet]

"Who in the whole country is Anti-American!? It's a myth! A meme!! Just because your critical of the government from top to bottom makes you UnPatriotic!? This isn't a democracy it's a freaking PLUTOCRACY!!! There's Nepotism in the White House!!! Career politicians who who don't do half of what they could!!! Ralph Nader wasn't even ALLOWED to debate Bush and Gore the last cycle!!! Anti-war activists are now terrorists!!! Investigative journalism is now conspiracy theory!!! The Republican party has been hijacked by corporate fascists!!! Constitutional Revolution, anyone!?!? C'mon we can all agree on that right!? Is that Anti-American, that I wanna restore state rights and keep bankers out of legislature!? All these goddamn laws make it hard to walk the straight line!!! My grandfather raised seven kids on a factory job!!! I can't even afford to drive and see my mother!!! And Bong30 is quoting Jello friggin Biafra, who thinks there should be an income limit of 100,000 dollars!!!! What the hell is going on!!! "

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dib2-HBsF08

Tell it like it is brother! :)

[DylanN89]

Like it or not America is the most dominating country in the world right now.... I think that Iran shouldnt have a nuclear programs, because honestly can we trust them right now? What about North Korea?... This dumb war on Israli and Lebanon was dumb too.... I honestly dont know whats happening to our world right now... I think our goverment is amazing, im soo proud to be a american and would love to serve or protect this beautiful country :thumbsup: :D

[Hamlet]

"I think our goverment is amazing, im soo proud to be a american and would love to serve or protect this beautiful country"

I would too if the evil figi islanders were invading our shores, hell-bent on world domination. But be very careful about what you're defending. You might end up getting your ass shot off defending Dick Cheney's Haliburton contracts.

[Mark Bryan]

You should go into politics, you'd fit right in with the Bush campaign that smeared Kerrys war record. You mean the Swift Boat Veterans? Kerry and Jane Fonda lied about the military torturin' Vietnamese soldiers by takin' isolated incidents out of context by implyin' it was standard military practice! Jane fonda was seen sittin on a N.Vietcong artillery piece that shot down several U.S. fighter planes! NO WONDER Vietnam vets are hated so much even by their own FAMILIES! Although I don't particularly like Bonesman Bush,he's STILL a better candidate than Kerry was! At LEAST he's takin' the fight to the enemy,Kerry would've sat on his ass even if they came over here and would've just wanted to talk while America BURNED!

[Ozarks]

WHAT IS ANTI AMERICAN ??
Can anyone answer ?




Here are a couple of examples, it took me about 5 minutes cruising threads here in the "politics" section of cannabis.com I bet you could have found them yourself if you wanted too.

BTW the last one is yours, if America "lies" to you "everyday" I would like to see the the documentation the back that claim up.





DEATH TO AMERIKA!!! MAY THE GREAT WHORE OF BABYLON BE JUDGED SWIFTLY!







The world will welcome the destruction of greedy Amerikans.






Democracy Fucks Things Up! It Is Destructive Hypocrisy





Yeah folks lets trust the people who lie to us daily.
The US government ,

[Dizz-Oh!]

THe government DOES lie daily!! If this were a Democracy, the POPULAR VOTE would count for something!! And Kerry is a BONESMAN TOO!!! Him AND Bush ADMITTED so on Meet the Press!!! "Uh, it's very secretive, I can't talk about it." Well noooooo shit!! IT'S A SECRET SOCIETY!!!! Vietnam vets got hate from their families cuz they came back Ten different kinds of FUCKED UP and ABUSIVE and ADDICTED to drugs!!! My father in law did SIX YEARS with Special Forces!!! He was a raging alchoholic who did sadistic shit to my wife, like hold a gun to her head and tell her she was an accident!!! YEAH, that's what throwing yellow men out of a helicopter does to ya!!!

But ya know what REALLLY pisses me off!!! This immigration rally on C-SPAN!!! In D.C.--isn't this the fifth year anniversary of September freakin 11th??? And they want to send a message to all the legislators who "want to treat undocumented immigrants as criminals!!! HAHAHAHA!!!! And there's ONE guy there, with a sign that says Legalize the Irish!!! I wonder if he's trying to be ironic, cuz ya know the irish slaves were treated waaayyy worse than african slaves--that's a fact. But I don't get it--why isn't this rally being held in MEXICO CITY!?!? I got nothing against Chicanos, Mexicans, Mestizo, whatever, the ones I've worked with were hard workers, very ILLEGAL, but hard workers nonetheless. I mean, they send all those dollares back home...and isn't it funny, how 12 million mexicans can get across the border, but nary a terrorist has slinked through with a dirty bomb or two?? Thank you very much for THAT, Mr. Vice President!!

I would have to typify all these folks at this rally as anti-mexican. Turning there backs on their own country. La Reconquista!!! NO MAS!!! NO MAS!!!

[Dizz-Oh!]

Let me recommend a book ya'll: Confessions of an Economic Hit Man by John Perkins. Of course, the whole book is one big lie, so says the DoD's web site.

[psychocat]

http://news.scotsman.com/international.cfm?id=1334052006

Lied about Saddams links to Bin Laden

http://news.monstersandcritics.com/northamerica/article_1199433.php/US_Senate_probe_sees_no_prewar_WMD_al-Qaeda_threat_from_Iraq

Lied about WMD

How can you tell if a politician is lying??

Their lips move.

[birdgirl73]

Oneironaut, I'm not going to waste your time quoting bits and snippets of what you've said in earlier postings, but I still regard you as harboring some fairly strong anti-American sentiments, even if you disagree with how I view what you said about opposing the United States, feeling like the flag is nothing more than meaningless fabric, etc. You know as well as anyone that you can feel however you want to feel, pro- or anti-anything. That's one of the marvelous freedoms that we enjoy.

I certainly don't like a lot of what's going on in our country. I hate this war. I distrust our leaders, although I don't wish for anyone's assassination. I oppose the growing divide between the rich and poor, and I'm deeply fearful for our environment. It's been my experience that most of those who wholeheartedly support our international policies and our current government aren't well-read, well-traveled or well-educated. (Around here, it's also been my experience that some of the most crazed opponents of our government, the conspiracists, sadly lack the same exposure.)

I'm fully aware that we're now an interdepenent global community and economy, that to succeed as a planet we must all succeed. But I still have pride in my nation of origin. A lot of this may be because I'm a female, and some of what I feel may be generational, too. I'm proud to have been born into a democracy and in a country where I've had opportunities, education, freedomes and equal treatment that I wouldn't have received elsewhere. I wouldn't have been able to have been a Fulbright scholar if I'd lived someplace else, for instance. And if I hadn't been lucky enough to live in this well-developed country with its advanced medical capabilities, I wouldn't even be alive today. I've been lucky enough to have traveled to 22 other countries so far in my lifetime, and that exposure has helped affirm this pride. I can't completely explain my feelings, and I'm fairly certain nothing I say will justify them in your eyes anyway, but I feel the pride nonetheless.

[likemclever]

It's been my experience that most of those who wholeheartedly support our international policies and our current government aren't well-read, well-traveled or well-educated.

Anyone who wholeheartedly supports any government (current or not) has issues.

[birdgirl73]

Very true!

[Bong30]

Anyone who wholeheartedly supports any government (current or not) has issues.


Dont support the goverment till it is, OF, BY, AND FOR, the PEOPLE again....

You dont have to love the goverment, to love america.:thumbsup:

[psychocat]

You dont have to love the goverment, to love america.:thumbsup:

I agree.

But if I hate your goverment yet feel the people will always be too diverse to judge and all should be judged on themselves does that make me AA ??

I repeat again "I do not hate America or it's people" but I do hate groups and individuals of any nationality that believe that might is right or that they are somehow the ideal that all others should be measured by. Arrogance is very unattractive.

I also hate all religions and politicians who think it's ok to ram their ideas down someone elses throat. Who gave anyone the right ?

America , Britain, France and all western countries should be forced to clean up their own backyard before they can go telling others how to live.

The wests power is in decline as the east rises, China will own everything before long as they already produce more than any other nation.

[ozzan666]

you know what i hate, i hate those mother fuckin Anarchist punks, like im from canada and theres fuckin kids here who listen to punk music and are like, ohh look at me im Anti-Bush, and Anti-flag and all that stupid shit, plus one of them is a vegetarian, can you believe that, i probably wouldnt care if they lived in U.S.A, but your from fuckin Canada, why do you care about the American government, then to make it worse, they talk about it like they know every-fuckin thing, and they're clueless. well sorry if i offended anyone, but, fuck you Anarchists, go fuckin live in Nazi-Germany and see how much fun you have there, you S.O.Bs

[PigSnout]

You mean the Swift Boat Veterans? Kerry and Jane Fonda lied about the military torturin' Vietnamese soldiers by takin' isolated incidents out of context by implyin' it was standard military practice! Jane fonda was seen sittin on a N.Vietcong artillery piece that shot down several U.S. fighter planes! NO WONDER Vietnam vets are hated so much even by their own FAMILIES! Although I don't particularly like Bonesman Bush,he's STILL a better candidate than Kerry was! At LEAST he's takin' the fight to the enemy,Kerry would've sat on his ass even if they came over here and would've just wanted to talk while America BURNED!
Jane Fonda??? It's not about Jane Fonda.
Kerry knows what it's like to see action. Anyone who had the balls to fight and not hide is a ok in my book.

[graymatter]

The wests power is in decline as the east rises, China will own everything before long as they already produce more than any other nation.

So, when can we expect to get all the jobs associated with that, like making their toaster ovens or computers?

[likemclever]

^lol

yeah but they can keep the telemarketing jobs..nobody likes those fuckers anyway. Plus it would add to our motivation should we ever need to go to war with them. Hell I'd go to war with India right now if I thought I would make the calls stop.

[graymatter]

Let's just hope they can't get to us by cell phone...

[Ozarks]

^lol

yeah but they can keep the telemarketing jobs..nobody likes those fuckers anyway. Plus it would add to our motivation should we ever need to go to war with them. Hell I'd go to war with India right now if I thought I would make the calls stop.

I would even consider a cease-fire if, I could understand them and they would shut up long enough for to say "no thank-you, I don't want any";)

[Breukelen advocaat]

^lol

yeah but they can keep the telemarketing jobs..nobody likes those fuckers anyway. Plus it would add to our motivation should we ever need to go to war with them. Hell I'd go to war with India right now if I thought I would make the calls stop.

India is one of the few countries left in the world that has a population without a sizable percentage that hate the U.S.A. :dance:

I've had some trouble with customer service calls that got routed to India, but have never gotten a telemarketing call from there. We signed up for that "Do Not Call" list, several years ago, and ALL telemarketing calls have ceased.

National Do Not Call Registry:
https://www.donotcall.gov/default.aspx

[Ozarks]

We signed up for that "Do Not Call" list, several years ago, and ALL telemarketing calls have ceased.

That worked for my land lines, I put my cells on there too, but it didn't seem to work.

I think I read somewhere cells were exempt.

[likemclever]

"Do Not Call" list
National Do Not Call Registry:
https://www.donotcall.gov/default.aspx


"Do not call list" is a feckin joke...those assholes still call me.

They should hate us. The only thing they know about us is that were assholes on the phone.

[Mark Bryan]

I agree.

But if I hate your goverment yet feel the people will always be too diverse to judge and all should be judged on themselves does that make me AA ??

I repeat again "I do not hate America or it's people" but I do hate groups and individuals of any nationality that believe that might is right or that they are somehow the ideal that all others should be measured by. Arrogance is very unattractive.

I also hate all religions and politicians who think it's ok to ram their ideas down someone elses throat. Who gave anyone the right ?

America , Britain, France and all western countries should be forced to clean up their own backyard before they can go telling others how to live.

The wests power is in decline as the east rises, China will own everything before long as they already produce more than any other nation. As far as havin' too much government and religion,that I can agree with. Both need to be scaled back to more tolerable levels and only large enough to have the proper checks and balance in influence and power,not what we have now!

[Mark Bryan]

Jane Fonda??? It's not about Jane Fonda.
Kerry knows what it's like to see action. Anyone who had the balls to fight and not hide is a ok in my book.
I agree it ain't about her,I just mentioned her along with Kerry to illustrate the mental disorder of liberalism! I won't question Kerry's service,but his testimony against the military which played a huge role in turnin' families against one another especially the veterans can STILL be felt today! Many fathers,mothers,husbands,wives,uncles,aunts,cousin s and friends don't want a thing to do with their ex sposes anymore BECAUSE of these war crimes allegations! I think the vets NEED to be heard so that old woulnds can be healed and that friends and family members can be reconciled! I think it's INSANE that they chose the words of Fonda and Kerry over their own relatives!

[psychocat]

So, when can we expect to get all the jobs associated with that, like making their toaster ovens or computers?

Since China has a massive cheap labour force why would they export jobs?

[graymatter]

Since China has a massive cheap labour force why would they export jobs?

I suppose for the same reason we had to create NAFTA (not an endorsement BTW). If you're wealthy and have no markets how long do you stay wealthy? If we're in decline, then somewhere in the next 20 years they won't have a market.

But I was just looking forward to a decent retirement gig, where all I had to do was put stuff together... and plan my pee breaks better.

[psychocat]

I suppose for the same reason we had to create NAFTA (not an endorsement BTW). If you're wealthy and have no markets how long do you stay wealthy? If we're in decline, then somewhere in the next 20 years they won't have a market.

But I was just looking forward to a decent retirement gig, where all I had to do was put stuff together... and plan my pee breaks better.

You have a point since China bought the rights to MG, :( they plan on manufacturing the bits in China and shipping them to England for assembly so I suppose there may be some hope.:thumbsup:

No need to worry I'm sure they will just turn America into one massive amusement park :D

England on the otherhand has it's historic places of interest to attract the American tourists who want to see real castles and of course they could always sell America a few more bridges they have stacks of em, wouldn't miss a few ;)

[Hamlet]

One day I would like to see a castle. But my family was deported on criminal charges from there about four hundred years ago, and I think there might still be a warrant pending. Some fuss about selling bridges :)

[graymatter]

No need to worry I'm sure they will just turn America into one massive amusement park


They'll never compete, we're already an amusement park. But we have lots of rides to choose from. :thumbsup:

[Smokalotxxx]

:dance: :dance: :dance: :dance: :dance: I love America!:dance: :dance: :dance: :dance: :dance: :dance:
:) :D ;) :thumbsup: :p :rasta: :pimp: :smokin: :stoned:

[likemclever]

Why does everyone in the world have a vision for â??what America should beâ?� the only people who have the right to mold her are Americans. I really get a chuckle when these forward thinking free peoples say â??look to Chinaâ?� or â??look hereâ?� or â??look there.â?� They scoff at us and mock our freedom. Do they realize that the only thing worth owning in China is owned by the government. You wanna talk about free speech? In places like Germany you donâ??t even have the right to name your child whatever you wish and you can forget about using a hyphened last name. But somehow America and her government are the evil oppressive ones. Americans are lazyâ?¦I hear that one a lot also (sadly even other Americans say this sometimes.) Americans work their asses off and typically take less vacation time than many other nations. We did not get to where we are because we sit on our ass and watch too much TV. We got to where we are because our laws reward hard work and people who want to build â??the American dream.â?� Many people from around the world know thisâ?¦that is why they come. And we welcome them. America is the most diverse nation on the face of the planet but somehow we are the racist bastards. I know why people hate us itâ??s not because their jealous itâ??s because were arrogant. Yes weâ??re arrogant. Itâ??s our â??can doâ?� attitude that flows in our very veins. We can do anything because we are Americans. Being an American has everything to do with whatâ??s in your heart and in your guts. Winner take all. :twocents:

[Dizz-Oh!]

Well, I see two posts I made have been deleted. I didn't say anything racist. Fuck you very much Psycho4Bud. And Fuck Cdot. Think about this as you delete it:

CENSORSHIP IS UNAMERICAN



This is Bob Dobbs, logging out for the last time.

[BobBong]

Well, I see two posts I made have been deleted.

I'm assuming you're talking about #70 and #71 of this thread...

which.. as you can plainly see, aren't deleted.. Infact.. i went through your post history and can't see anything deleted other than your whine-a-thon this morning.

So i don't know what crawled up your ass.. and if it died or not..

But think about it for 3 weeks and change the attitude.
:thumbsup:

[Psycho4Bud]

Well, I see two posts I made have been deleted. I didn't say anything racist. Fuck you very much Psycho4Bud. And Fuck Cdot. Think about this as you delete it:

CENSORSHIP IS UNAMERICAN



This is Bob Dobbs, logging out for the last time.

LMAO!!! Well, I guess Bob took care of the issue but I would like to wish you the best on your new found vacation. Make sure to take some pics and share with the group.:D

Have a good one!:thumbsup:

[psychocat]

We can do anything because we are Americans. Being an American has everything to do with whatâ??s in your heart and in your guts. Winner take all. :twocents:

The "we can do anything" is what worries the rest of the world I think.

Does "anything" include starting a war in the middle east under false pretences?

[likemclever]

Does "anything" include starting a war in the middle east under false pretences?

We didn't START anything.

[Oneironaut]

Yeah, it was totally Saddam who declared war on the US. Don't you remember? :rolleyes:

[Mark Bryan]

LMAO!!! Well, I guess Bob took care of the issue but I would like to wish you the best on your new found vacation. Make sure to take some pics and share with the group.:D

Have a good one!:thumbsup:
Now THIS is funny!:D Curious question Psych,you have a U.N. flag posted,you don't support them do you?

[BobBong]

Now THIS is funny!:D Curious question Psych,you have a U.N. flag posted,you don't support them do you?

haha, we're the peace keepers of cannabis.com:p

[Mark Bryan]

I prefer nationalist capitalist republic governments,I guess it's from bein in the 'ol SOUTH! I'm a Dixie fan! http://www.dixienet.org I STRONGLY believe in states rights guarteed by the 10th Amendment! I'm a VIRGINIA patriot,born in the southern part of the o'l U.S.A. or in OUR region the 'ol C.S.A.! I'm proud to share the same southern/Virginia heritege as Robert E. Lee,Stonewall Jackson and J.E.B. Stuart!

[likemclever]

Hey Mark, I’m also a huge fan of States rights. I was brought into this world on the Mason-Dixon Line so I’ve experienced both sides of the fence. I’m definitely partial to the belly.

Thanks for the link. My favorite part is in the recipe section under fried chicken (under recipe notes it says) “Contrary to the US government, lard is good for you. Please eat it when you can.”…lol.

[Mark Bryan]

Hey Mark, Iâ??m also a huge fan of States rights. I was brought into this world on the Mason-Dixon Line so Iâ??ve experienced both sides of the fence. Iâ??m definitely partial to the belly.

Thanks for the link. My favorite part is in the recipe section under fried chicken (under recipe notes it says) â??Contrary to the US government, lard is good for you. Please eat it when you can.â?�â?¦lol. :thumbsup: COOL! :D So you were born in Maryland/Pennsylvania?

[budzy malone]

I think it is interesting that we can get away with saying things about our government that we don't like. We are allowed to protest and disagree with bad decisions. But not all of us think that all that is bad is good or vice-versa. If your are American, like I am, I was born here, and know that there are many different kinds of people on this planet. America is a catalyst in the self-destructive behavior that will lead to the extinction of this planet. Environmentally we are doomed. Of course, we should all live outside on huge Marijuana farms. We Americans are the bets farmers in the world. So thank God we still have food to eat and ganja to smoke.... and tobbacco too and all the liguor, beer and wine. These are the most important things in America and if other countries can not grow their own, it seems like we would share with them.But then again, there are a lot of really greedy people out there, both American and foreign.
I think it is a disgrace that the Police, Sheriffs and Corrections Department, ONLY A SMALL PART OF THE GOVERNMENT are making things difficult for many of us. The government does a lot of GOOD THINGS for people too, if you LOOK CLOSELY. Then again, if you are against helping those in need and you are just a hater then you probably just have a problem with everybody and everything and shoul d not be considered a traitor. GOD BLESS AMERICA for as long as it lasts because good things never last that long.:cool: :stoned: :rasta:

[highinspain]

Who cares what you are, are you just trying to inflate your own ego? The whole world is full of shit I want off, and I think you should leave also.

[highinspain]

Oh by the way that means stop in turkish

[likemclever]

:thumbsup: COOL! :D So you were born in Maryland/Pennsylvania?

Further west I'm a late comer. I was born on the Kansas/ Oklahoma border. The line fluctuates depending who you ask.

[Ozarks]

Who cares what you are, are you just trying to inflate your own ego? The whole world is full of shit I want off, and I think you should leave also.

If I lived in Turkey, I would want off too. :D

[psychocat]

Who cares what you are, are you just trying to inflate your own ego? The whole world is full of shit I want off, and I think you should leave also.

Is that the best you have to contribute?

Don't think for one minute that I give a damn about how I am percieved ,I admit the title of the thread may be misleading.
However it is more about the lable that some people insist on using to describe anyone who in their opinion is "anti American" (I have had it) the question is really wether or not such a thing actualy exists since the lable seems to be thrown around with gay abandon.

If you had bothered to read before posting you may well have understood it ain't about ME it's about the stupidity of calling someone something they are so obviously not.

I like a load of things about and from the US

You want to get off? feel free but I'm staying right where I am till I've rolled my last dice.

[Breukelen advocaat]

Is that the best you have to contribute?

Don't think for one minute that I give a damn about how I am percieved ,I admit the title of the thread may be misleading..............................
If you had bothered to read before posting you may well have understood it ain't about ME it's about the stupidity of calling someone something they are so obviously not........................
You want to get off? feel free but I'm staying right where I am till I've rolled my last dice.

Hey, psychocat - in case you haven't heard: The "ME DECADE" was over a long time ago. :thumbsup:

[likemclever]

Hey, psychocat - in case you haven't heard: The "ME DECADE" was over a long time ago.

I wish that were true :(

[psychocat]

Hey, psychocat - in case you haven't heard: The "ME DECADE" was over a long time ago. :thumbsup:

Oh boy !!

Some folk just don't get it.

IT IS NOT ABOUT ME!

IT IS ABOUT THE IDEA OF WHAT CONSTITUTES ANTI AMERICAN AND WHAT THE DEFINITIVE IDEA IS OF THAT !!!

Big print for little minds that struggle to understand the reason for the original post.

[Krogith]

this is just a simple exsample of not being able to GRASP a subject. I call it the Stuiped Bolck some people are born with said Stuiped Block and it causes them to not be able to comprehend simple idea's,


You Can't Fix Stuiped.

[birdgirl73]

this is just a simple exsample of not being able to GRASP a subject. I call it the Stuiped Bolck some people are born with said Stuiped Block and it causes them to not be able to comprehend simple idea's,
You Can't Fix Stuiped.
Indeed you can't.

[Breukelen advocaat]

this is just a simple exsample of not being able to GRASP a subject. I call it the Stuiped Bolck some people are born with said Stuiped Block and it causes them to not be able to comprehend simple idea's,


You Can't Fix Stuiped.

What more is there to say? :dance:

[Hamlet]

Anti-American...hhmmm, lessee...if you hate the Beatles, Rolling Stones, pizza, tacos, Hondas, Budweiser, french toast, Monty Python, sushi, or free speech, you're probably Anti-American.

Because you see...being American is an ideal..a way of viewing life. It's knowing you wouldn't kick Angelina Jolie nor Brad Pitt out of bed for eating crackers. It's about appreciating the little things, like toilet paper, and women who shave their armpits. It's about wanting a Hummer and being able to get one.... even though you can't afford it.

Yes, we love our country.. God bless the USA!

[Ozarks]

BG73, BA I'll be :D for the next 2 days over that. This place is better than pay-pre-view :D

The sad part is he wouldn't get it if you explained it to him. :stoned:

[psychocat]

Anti-American...hhmmm, lessee...if you hate the Beatles, Rolling Stones, pizza, tacos, Hondas, Budweiser, french toast, Monty Python, sushi, or free speech, you're probably Anti-American.


Beatles British
Rolling Stones Also British
Pizza Italian
Tacos Mexican
Honda Japenese
Bud/Beer Iran was the first place to brew
French toast Possibly American
Monty Python British
Sushi Japanese

Free speech Not really since you can be arrested for voicing certain opinions.

I fail to see what any of the above have to do with being AA, I may be missing the point ?

[Hamlet]

"I fail to see what any of the above have to do with being AA, I may be missing the point ?"

Lol....yes, I suppose you are.

Cheers..

[birdgirl73]

BG73, BA I'll be :D for the next 2 days over that. This place is better than pay-pre-view :D

The sad part is he wouldn't get it if you explained it to him. :stoned:
Me too, Ozarks. Gave me a much-needed giggle and still tickles me now. I am going to change my mood indicator as a result, in fact.

[psychocat]

"I fail to see what any of the above have to do with being AA, I may be missing the point ?"

Lol....yes, I suppose you are.

Cheers..

I'm more inclined to believe that you don't know what point you were trying to make since you make no attempt to clarify.

[Hamlet]

"I'm more inclined to believe that you don't know what point you were trying to make since you make no attempt to clarify."

It's called 'humor'...or more specifically 'satire' in an attempt to point out our diversity as a nation. My appologies if it was too abstract. We Americans love to laugh ya see. It's all part of the pursuit of happiness thing. I guess ya had to be there.

[graymatter]

Indeed you can't.

We had a dog named Stupid when I was a kid... but Stupid was smart enough to know we were about to fix her, so she ran off and started her own Stupid family. We'd get an occasional post card or letter, but they made no sense.

[birdgirl73]

Are you thinking what I am? That we may have one of her descendants right here in our midst?

If she ever does write, ask her if one of her progeny was named Krogith. . . .

[Mark Bryan]

I think it is a disgrace that the Police, Sheriffs and Corrections Department, ONLY A SMALL PART OF THE GOVERNMENT are making things difficult for many of us. :cool: :stoned: :rasta: There ARE the L.E.A.P. officers www.leap.cc

[Mark Bryan]

Further west I'm a late comer. I was born on the Kansas/ Oklahoma border. The line fluctuates depending who you ask.
:thumbsup: GOTCHA!

[likemclever]

Are you thinking what I am? That we may have one of her descendants right here in our midst?


ROFL...

judging by some of the posts I've read lately I'd say we have more than one.

[Bong30]

Billion.... you dont have to respect the person

you respect the office....

I might not agree with Gdub on like border issues, but i respect the office of the presidency...so when we get a good one we can back him.

when you hate the person, and the office you are AA.

[psychocat]

Do I also have to agree with all their decisions?
I disagree with a lot of the ways our government is run. Does that make me Anti-American?

I guess you are if you listen to the brainwashed "patriots" among us.

I believe the US goverment gets it wrong just as much as any goverment and a blinding faith in your (or any) goverment is just plain dumb, corruption exists , greed exists , what makes you think your gov is any better than the Iraqi or Eastern Blok goverments ?

Bush and his cronies are criminals hiding behind a badge of office.

[Bong30]

Do I also have to agree with all their decisions?
I disagree with a lot of the ways our government is run. Does that make me Anti-American?

No it means love all of it.....and get out and vote.

12 millon iraqis risked there lives to vote... we take it for granted.


If underlaying your frustration is deep respect and love for your country...
it is ok to question, not agree with, what ever..... but like i stated before...


If you fall into the trap like many here, and hate Gdub, hate america, hate republicas, hate the diebold machines, hate this, hate that.....that is AA

^^^^the next step for that person is domestic terrorist^^^ we need to get them the fuck out. Ie Tim Mcviegh

[Bong30]

I guess you are if you listen to the brainwashed "patriots" among us.

I believe the US goverment gets it wrong just as much as any goverment and a blinding faith in your (or any) goverment is just plain dumb, corruption exists , greed exists , what makes you think your gov is any better than the Iraqi or Eastern Blok goverments ?

Bush and his cronies are criminals hiding behind a badge of office.

Look up term limits and tell me how it effects someone like Gdub, and like...Hummm kim jon ill....how did term limits effect saddam?

checks and balances....guys Cs and Bs....

[ericwt]

psychocat: I do not think you are anti American. I may or may not agree with everything you post. But I think your heart is in the right place.

Some people would call me anti American because I think Bush is a fool.

Freedom of speech does not grant one the right to be heard. Calling anyone anti American because of political differences is pure propaganda. It is a tool of the power brokers. This country is not free, but I am glad I live here..

I love my country, but I fear our government.

ericwt

[Bong30]

I have to support what I do not agree with? Nah, that's bullshit. Unless they're doing a job worth of support. Bong30, what would you do if Hilary Clinton became president?

I would vote and Know the she willbe gone in 8 years max..... I went through Bill cinton... you were in Diapers......she is a dingbat but what ever.

EDIT: Also, I do not hate republicans. I just think they're blind.

I think Liberalism Is a mental disorder.....

Not right or left, left or snickered at behind their backs.

No offence you are not smart enough to understand this....

Its Not about Left or right (republicans and democrats) its about doing the right thing not the wrong thing.......
so Not left or right...No Ds and Rs.... just right and wrong.


It is too much to wrap your brain around....just think about it and smoke on it for a while it will come to you....its about right and wrong...... Like your parents told you when you were a kid....you know there diff between right and wrong....Right?

[Cyclonite]

America is hope and freedom...the ideals set by our founding fathers is America. There isn't many other countries id rather live in and iv been to allot. I don't agree with everything the dip shit politicians do but they aren't here forever. Bush isn't the best president ever but he is far from the worst...id take him over Kerry any day...lesser of two dip shits I say. People are too caught up with waiting for people to make mistakes. I don't like the direction America is heading in but I have faith one day the American people will wake up and elect someone who has promise ideals and morals. I do hate that we act as "world police"...take care of your own shit first, I really don't give a shit what happens in the rest of the world when we have more pressing domestic issues to deal with. We need to get back to the basics this country was founded on....that I risked my life to keep and I believe in. I dont think your anti-American BTW...I strongly disagree with many of the governments current policies as well but I do have allot of pride for my country.

[Cyclonite]

VOTE GREEN PARTY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! If you have to pick a party

[Bong30]

America is hope and freedom...the ideals set by our founding fathers is America. There isn't many other countries id rather live in and iv been to allot. I don't agree with everything the dip shit politicians do but they aren't here forever. Bush isn't the best president ever but he is far from the worst...id take him over Kerry any day...lesser of two dip shits I say. People are too caught up with waiting for people to make mistakes. I don't like the direction America is heading in but I have faith one day the American people will wake up and elect someone who has promise ideals and morals. I do hate that we act as "world police"...take care of your own shit first, I really don't give a shit what happens in the rest of the world when we have more pressing domestic issues to deal with. We need to get back to the basics this country was founded on....that I risked my life to keep and I believe in. I dont think your anti-American BTW...I strongly disagree with many of the governments current policies as well but I do have allot of pride for my country.

Thank you.....Put very well.

Bush and Kerry..... like picking the best turd in the toilet....LOL

[mrdevious]

Bush and Kerry..... like picking the best turd in the toilet....LOL

Now there's something we can both agree on.

[B.Basher]

Your not anti-American, if anything your pro-American if you choose to stick up for what America is SUPPOSED to stand for.

I think the use of the term 'anti-american' you describe is simply just the arrogance of those that can't accept the political opinion of others. "You don't believe what I believe, egads, you must be anti-american". It's a pretty heavy accusation so fat-heads are happy to let loose with it in their frustration.

By the way, hey y'all. I'm back :D !

[Bong30]

Bill.... hillary will not be pres......


I told you that you still dont understand......Not left or right, right or wrong...


its not about leftys being wrong.....(although they are most times)


If hillary is Presdient this is how it happens....

She is for the dems......
Repubs....get some Idiot.....

Then, Tom Tancredo Runs as an Independent...

Hillary wins.....

[mrdevious]

I told you that you still dont understand......Not left or right, right or wrong...


its not about leftys being wrong.....(although they are most times)



You seem to acknowlegde that certain righty's are wrong bong, so why only target the left? Well, maybe I know your answer, because the left can only do wrong..... but come on, you know as well as I there are plenty of right-wing retards out there, along with the plenty of left-idiots for some ideological balance in idiocy. It's two sides at either end of the rope, playing a tug-of-war to pull each other into the same mud puddle.

[Cyclonite]

Hilary is an idiot.....I think anyone who votes purely because of the party is retarded. Its all about who is best for America. I'm a pot smoking militant gun nut....There are so many aspects of me that are left and many others that are right. I don't fit in anywhere..but I like most of the green parties ideals. I'm a far cry from a peace loving hippy though.

[psychocat]

I'm a pot smoking militant nut....There are so many aspects of me that are left and many others that are right. I don't fit in anywhere. I'm a far cry from a peace loving hippy though.


I almost feel we could be brothers man. :D

[harris7]

I hate anti americans.
if you dont like america get the fuck out move to kualumpur and dig ditches for a bowl of rice and a pair of fake Nike's.

Thats how i feel.



It really disturbs me to hear shit like this. There really are few reasons to support America or even like America. And well I could name hundreds of reasons to not like America.

This mentality is a major problem of America.

Guess What itâ??s not wrong to disagree with the government.
Fuck, especially the current one. They lie (they have said they WILL lie), falsify documents, buy elections, allow countless death of there own and others and PURPOSLY kill innocent civilians.

Great fucking country.

[Dutch Pimp]

I almost feel we could be brothers man. :D

...counting me...that makes three....

[harris7]

oh and BTW i am VERY anti-america. not american

[muffinman]

http://www.prisonplanet.com

[Bong30]

http://www.prisonplanet.com

Do you think you are breaking new ground here?

Hold your hand out arm length and pinch your fingers Very close together, not all the way though.....see that little space right there? that is how big your brain is...when your at PP.com

Get a clue

[PigSnout]

It really disturbs me to hear shit like this. There really are few reasons to support America or even like America. And well I could name hundreds of reasons to not like America.

This mentality is a major problem of America.

Your perception of the mentality of Americans is twisted. The biggest melting pot in the world. More diversity than any other country and you're too dumb to see it.


Guess What itâ??s not wrong to disagree with the government.
Fuck, especially the current one. They lie (they have said they WILL lie), falsify documents, buy elections, allow countless death of there own and others and PURPOSLY kill innocent civilians.

Great fucking country.
It is a great country, not Americas fault morons like you are so blind you cant see that.

[VoidLivesOn]

What "anti-American" sentiments? I have nothing against Americans. I am no more anti-American than I am anti-Vietnamese, anti-Colombian, anti-Portuguese or anti-Ethiopian. I just hope someday we can get rid of these silly "nations" and come together as a single species.

It's just a piece of cloth...a piece of cloth which represents an unjust social system and fosters nationalism. A better idea might be to pile up all the flags of the world's nations and burn them in one big pile. In providing heat they would finally serve a useful purpose.

I certainly do. There are some people who simply don't deserve to live, and that includes murderous tyrants.

Why are you proud to live in this country? Would you be ashamed to live in another country? Or is your choice entirely arbitrary, in that you are only proud to live here because you happen to live here?

I only take pride in things that I have actually achieved through my own efforts. I don't believe in white pride, or American pride, or heterosexual pride, or male pride, or right-handedness pride, or attached-earlobe pride. I had nothing to do with the conditions of my birth, or the territorial division of land into different nation-states, or the formation of the political system that rules over me, so I find it absurd to be proud of my nation. I am only American because the natives who originally lived here could not defend themselves against an invasion of British settlers, and I happen to live a couple miles south of a line, drawn up by colonial rulers several centuries ago, that used to divide some settlers who decided to found an independent republic in the 1770s from some other settlers who wanted to remain a British colony for another 90 years. Honestly, why should that matter to me?

"I hate patriotism. I can't stand it.... It's a round world, last time I checked." -Bill Hicks

Your views are like one ended, and so contradicting.I mean sure it looks good when typed out intelligently but, um, honestly....would it work? I don't think so. It's like a system against a system. What about people who, if just in case your ideals were to happen, did not enjoy having their mother raped and pillaged every other night because, no matter what social system you have against people-"free or not free"-there will always be those sick fucks out messing things up.

[CYRAX]

LMFAO!


I hate anti americans.
if you dont like america get the fuck out move to kualumpur and dig ditches for a bowl of rice and a pair of fake Nike's.

[psychocat]

Your views are like one ended, and so contradicting.I mean sure it looks good when typed out intelligently but, um, honestly....would it work? I don't think so. It's like a system against a system. What about people who, if just in case your ideals were to happen, did not enjoy having their mother raped and pillaged every other night because, no matter what social system you have against people-"free or not free"-there will always be those sick fucks out messing things up.



The sick fucks as you put it are the goverments who breed hatred and fear and since Mcarthy hit upon the idea of a constant enemy America falls into that category. Ignorance is your enemy.

Reds under the bed gave your goverment reason to keep a close eye on you then it was the middle east that was used to distract now it's TERRORISM !!! OOOOHHH , if the terrorists are so well financed and equiped do you realy think they would be so eay to quell (one incident a year isn't much) the IRA waged a worse campaign using pipe bombs and obsolete weapons, surely a top notch outfit (so we are told) like Al Quieda could and would be making more of a show ?

What makes America think we should all follow it's example ?
Is America really that great when it can't even take care of it's own people properly ? Think New Orleans http://www.ascensioncitizen.com/arti...ews/news07.txt

I really believe Americas citizens should be making their own goverment take care of getting their own yard in order before they go round DICTATING to others about how they should run their own countries.

As for the hypocrisy of having the worlds largest nuclear arsenal and saying who can and cannot is not something that I take lightly .. Who made the US boss of the world ? I for one vote NO to a US run world.
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[Bong30]

PC you are such an Idiot....even more than when you started this dumb thread.

you anti american piece of shit.....

Listen...when the shit hits the Fan.....RUN PC Run.......


Leave Void alone...Pick on someone your own size Pussy.....

you are a ZIt on the ass of america....PC

get the fuck out......


We understand MAD they dont....STFU you are Dumb.....


WE dictate...how other people run thier countries....fuck off and die....


you just hate america.....get the fuck out...cancer boy

[VoidLivesOn]

PC you are such an Idiot....even more than when you started this dumb thread.

you anti american piece of shit.....

Listen...when the shit hits the Fan.....RUN PC Run.......


Leave Void alone...Pick on someone your own size Pussy.....

you are a ZIt on the ass of america....PC

get the fuck out......


We understand MAD they dont....STFU you are Dumb.....


WE dictate...how other people run thier countries....fuck off and die....


you just hate america.....get the fuck out...cancer boy

Well I read his post twice and still didn't see anything that had anything to do with what I said.

[Psycho4Bud]

Bong30........just a tad over the edge there dude. Take two hits THEN begin typing. Your gonna have a stroke!

Have a good one!:thumbsup:

[socialinjustice]

It really disturbs me to hear shit like this. There really are few reasons to support America or even like America. And well I could name hundreds of reasons to not like America.

This mentality is a major problem of America.

Guess What itâ??s not wrong to disagree with the government.
Fuck, especially the current one. They lie (they have said they WILL lie), falsify documents, buy elections, allow countless death of there own and others and PURPOSLY kill innocent civilians.

Great fucking country.

dude, if you havent noticed, hardly anyone is happy with our government. (mainly the republican party). most 18-30 year olds realize this, but theres not much we can do till all the baby-boomers are out of office. i believe war should only be used for defense from an invasion. or if another hitler situation ever arises again...which it kind of is with us...but thats a whole other topic that i dont want to get in to. i will admit the "proclaimed" goal of our mess is an idea that i support(fighting terrorism), but the way chosen to solve the problem is definately not the correct way. what the fuck happend to osama bin laden? thats what i want to know. too bad Bill cant run again

[socialinjustice]

^bobong...you are the type of people hes talking about..stop being an asshole, our country is really fucked up right now and it better start changing or WE'RE, as in you and i and everyone else our age, are going to have to deal with it. do a little research...no one likes america...meaning at some point or another, if we keep this shit up, we're gonna get put in check. would you like to have a war on american soil? have your fucking city look like fucking baghdad? i think not...theres no point in being a dick just because someone doesnt like you.

[Bong30]

Bong30........just a tad over the edge there dude. Take two hits THEN begin typing. Your gonna have a stroke!

Have a good one!:thumbsup:

NOthing I wouldnt say right to his face........

I am sorry If I have offended anyone.....



I still hold my position though.....PC is a cancer spreading through the colon of America.

I am going to have a stroke........I cant believe how people can hate America so much.....It Burns my soul. I take it so serious. Why dont they just move insted of bitch or hate???


If you think America Just wants to RULE the world ( like pinkey and the brain)
you have serious problems. I am an average American....I just want to live in Peace....They brought the fight to us.....(ohhYea it was Gdub that brought the towers down...STFU) <<<< Im done taking that shit....We all need to stand up against the cancer and get rid of it before it kills us from the inside out. I am serious about the Enemy Within.


Ill try to keep it to a ROAR.... like Little Simba in Lion King.....LOL

ill go with the 3 bong rips before i post rule........:thumbsup:

[Dutch Pimp]

dude, if you havent noticed, hardly anyone is happy with our government. (mainly the republican party). most 18-30 year olds realize this, but theres not much we can do till all the baby-boomers are out of office. i believe war should only be used for defense from an invasion. or if another hitler situation ever arises again...which it kind of is with us...but thats a whole other topic that i dont want to get in to. i will admit the "proclaimed" goal of our mess is an idea that i support(fighting terrorism), but the way chosen to solve the problem is definately not the correct way. what the fuck happend to osama bin laden? thats what i want to know. too bad Bill cant run again

...a long time ago...we wanted this dude too...it took awhile...but we got him...

[B.Basher]

NOthing I wouldnt say right to his face........

I am sorry If I have offended anyone.....



I still hold my position though.....PC is a cancer spreading through the colon of America.

I am going to have a stroke........I cant believe how people can hate America so much.....It Burns my soul. I take it so serious. Why dont they just move insted of bitch or hate???


If you think America Just wants to RULE the world ( like pinkey and the brain)
you have serious problems. I am an average American....I just want to live in Peace....They brought the fight to us.....(ohhYea it was Gdub that brought the towers down...STFU) <<<< Im done taking that shit....We all need to stand up against the cancer and get rid of it before it kills us from the inside out. I am serious about the Enemy Within.


Ill try to keep it to a ROAR.... like Little Simba in Lion King.....LOL

ill go with the 3 bong rips before i post rule........:thumbsup:

I find your opinions very hard to respect with such an immature manner. Look up and down this thread (or most on this board) and you'll find those posts made by "idiots" usually come across as a lot more informative, a lot more respectful and a lot more intelligent then when you throw a tantrum. Right and left aside, I found PC's post at least made a valid point and a little sense. Are you hear to argue or just insult? I know which i'd rather be reading.

[psychocat]

Thank you B I'm used to childish uotbursts with little actual content it kind of amuses me. Only a little bit though ,, then I just think "how eloquent"! (sic)

As for getting out of America I DO NOT LIVE IN THE STATES !!

That clear enough for you Bong ?

I do however think that the old saying of "You reap what you sow" is gonna be one the Americans may come to know very well and you don't make freinds with bullets and bombs.

I dislike anyone who thinks that by being offensive they will have any effect on my behaviour , I refuse to sink to playground level.

PS I could hardly be seen as PC

[PigSnout]

I find your opinions very hard to respect with such an immature manner. Look up and down this thread (or most on this board) and you'll find those posts made by "idiots" usually come across as a lot more informative, a lot more respectful and a lot more intelligent then when you throw a tantrum. Right and left aside, I found PC's post at least made a valid point and a little sense. Are you hear to argue or just insult? I know which i'd rather be reading.

"lot more informative, a lot more respectful and a lot more intelligent "

To whom? The mindless who ignore the facts and try to rewrite history?

[B.Basher]

"lot more informative, a lot more respectful and a lot more intelligent "

To whom? The mindless who ignore the facts and try to rewrite history?

To those who care to have their views challenged in a civilised manner and whom expect the same in return. It's always the right wingers who throw their toys out of the pram and then brand everyone else as ignorant and mindless.

[PigSnout]

To those who care to have their views challenged in a civilised manner and whom expect the same in return. It's always the right wingers who throw their toys out of the pram and then brand everyone else as ignorant and mindless.

LOL I love it when someone looks at a post and puts a label on someone. Too funny. The funny part is this kid makes a statement about branding people and then the youngin' does the same.

A poster rewrites history and you defend this hogwash? This is your comment? You can do better than that. Your post deserves no respect or civility.

You were rally high weren't you? c'mon confess

[B.Basher]

LOL I love it when someone looks at a post and puts a label on someone. Too funny. The funny part is this kid makes a statement about branding people and then the youngin' does the same.

A poster rewrites history and you defend this hogwash? This is your comment? You can do better than that. Your post deserves no respect or civility.

You were rally high weren't you? c'mon confess

No. Just making an observation about how the manner of someone's post can make or break the point their trying to make (if there is one). I havn't branded anyone anything, I just find people that choose to insult instead of argue to prove a point pretty frustrating on a civilised forum. Everyone gets pissed off, but there's no need to lose your shit. An opinion is an opinion.
And i'm not defending what PC said, it sounded a little extreme but it's always an interesting perspective. Just pointing out it came across as more intelligent than Bob's crazy rant.

I'm 20, that's what most people would call an adult.

[B.Basher]

And it is always the right wingers. Find me a lefty stressing out about someone elses opinion on here and i'll admit I was wrong.

[Markass]

dude, if you havent noticed, hardly anyone is happy with our government. (mainly the republican party). most 18-30 year olds realize this, but theres not much we can do till all the baby-boomers are out of office. i believe war should only be used for defense from an invasion. or if another hitler situation ever arises again...which it kind of is with us...but thats a whole other topic that i dont want to get in to. i will admit the "proclaimed" goal of our mess is an idea that i support(fighting terrorism), but the way chosen to solve the problem is definately not the correct way. what the fuck happend to osama bin laden? thats what i want to know. too bad Bill cant run again

I agree with you completely.

[Bong30]

Thank you B I'm used to childish uotbursts with little actual content it kind of amuses me. Only a little bit though ,, then I just think "how eloquent"! (sic)

As for getting out of America I DO NOT LIVE IN THE STATES !!

That clear enough for you Bong ?

I do however think that the old saying of "You reap what you sow" is gonna be one the Americans may come to know very well and you don't make freinds with bullets and bombs.

I dislike anyone who thinks that by being offensive they will have any effect on my behaviour , I refuse to sink to playground level.

PS I could hardly be seen as PC

Cool...stay out of america, and Hate from afar. Thats cool enough.

This is how slow you are....

PC = your dumb name. PsychoCat Get it PC....

You telling me about Political Correctness.....is like Me telling you How to Hate america.....No Need.

"I wont sink to playground level" ....College Level, any level.. you never address a point...as per......

I post....all the Time, and you leftys just say...aahhhh he said fuck this, and fuck that......but you never Tackle MY POINTS...... You cant. So i just get more pissed you guys keep with the personal attacks.........

What ever.......

I was the First Yes vote on you little poll.....My vote hasnt changed.

If people Like you, and Ward Churchill are college Level....You can find me on the playground all day.:thumbsup:

[Bong30]

I find your opinions very hard to respect with such an immature manner. Look up and down this thread (or most on this board) and you'll find those posts made by "idiots" usually come across as a lot more informative, a lot more respectful and a lot more intelligent then when you throw a tantrum. Right and left aside, I found PC's post at least made a valid point and a little sense. Are you hear to argue or just insult? I know which i'd rather be reading.

Maybe if you agreed with my piont of view you would see it the other way, but whatever.

I am Just Insulting, cause they cant argue my points.......

This is good for the playground....Below is a transitive relationship, that I hope you can understand.

You hate America = You hate me = I Hate you.....(the louder you yell I HATE AMERICA) the more I want to put my foot in your ass, so i just use my keyboard insted on my size 12s......

NO I dissagree.......People that think Gdub brought down the towers are fucking "idiots"....I am just the one to tell them, you have to stop the spread of cancer someway......

Many of the people that post on here, are WAAAYYY better at getting there thoughts..on paper, but have you ever wondered where i am coming from?

with passion........?

OBTW.....when it comes to politics.....
I could care less what you think of me.....Please Make a thread.....you will be #4

[Bong30]

To those who care to have their views challenged in a civilised manner and whom expect the same in return. It's always the right wingers who throw their toys out of the pram and then brand everyone else as ignorant and mindless.



Remember Liberalism Is a mental disorder.....Ill prove it over and over just stay tuned.......

you think that the Amercan Goverment did 9-11 you are Ignorant and a fucking Idiot.......( im not say you B, but there are many on here that do)

I will debate anything with anybody...civilized,,,

you bring 9-11 was by gdub..... you are a fucking Idiot and a target for ever.

You bring the Wahabbism isnt a threat to the westrn way of life I.E. for my kids. STFU you are an Idiot.


You bring Islam doesnt teach the Jews and christians Apes and pigs you are a fucking Idiot....

I can go on and On..... and On bring it......

Make a Thread ask any question........Lets do it.:thumbsup:

[psychocat]

The statement that I hate America shows how little attention you actualy pay.
Your attitude is one of a playground bully "agree with me or suffer threats of violence (kinda stupid threatening anyone over the net) till you do agree" WTF ?
I will adress anything you wish but since I liken it to casting pearls before swine it's pointless discussing anything with a narrow minded person, you see only what you want to.
I realy don't give a damn if GW was involved in 9/11 but it would be impossible to prove a negative now wouldn't it ?
Your immature attitude is letting you down and your willingness to resort to violence over a chat forum just makes me realise how many unstable people there are in the world.

You bring Islam doesnt teach the Jews and christians Apes and pigs you are a fucking Idiot.... Could you please explain this nonsense ?


Behave like an adult and maybe you will be treat like one, till then I'm going to ignore your BS attitude and just think to myself "there's always one" !

[Bong30]

You bring Islam doesnt teach the Jews and christians Apes and pigs you are a fucking Idiot.... Could you please explain this nonsense ?


Ill go slow....this is so important...They are teaching that we are animals just like Hitler Did....PC, they are going to Nuke Isreal. Im telling you.

PLease Read atleast Bold words.......


Special Report - No. 12
December 20, 2002 No.12

Preliminary Overview. - Saudi Arabia's Education System: Curriculum, Spreading Saudi Education to the World and the Official Saudi Position on Education PolicyBy Steven Stalinsky*
Introduction[i]

For the past two decades, the Kingdom of Saudi Arabia has been engaged in an extensive effort "to spread Islam to every corner of the earth."[1] This has meant supporting or creating schools with a curriculum primarily based upon the teachings of Sheikh Muhammad Ibn Abd Al-Wahhab, the 18th century founder of the Islamist Wahhabiyya movement.[2]

This report offers a preliminary overview of the Saudi education system focusing on its main principles, aspects of its organizational structure, translations from its textbooks and statements made by high ranking Saudi officials on the Saudi education policy.

Part I: The Philosophy of Education

Education Based on the Teachings of Sheikh Muhammad Ibn Abd Al-Wahhab
According to a book published in 1995 by the Saudi Cultural Mission to the U.S. on education in the Kingdom, titled "Education in Saudi Arabia,"[3] the roots of the contemporary Saudi education policy date back to the 18th century when Sheikh Muhammad Ibn Abd Al-Wahhab called for the return of Muslims to the fundamentals of Islam as preached by the Prophet Muhammad.

The cornerstone of education in Saudi Arabia consists of the most pervasive themes in Islam.The book, published by the Saudi Cultural Mission to the U.S., quotes a document published by the Higher Committee for Educational Policy[4] which contains 236 principles that explain how students should promote loyalty to Islam by denouncing any system or theory that conflicts with Islamic law. The students are also taught to understand Islam in a correct manner, how to plant and spread Islam throughout the world, and how "to fight spiritually and physically for the sake of Allah,"[5] with emphasis on early Islamic glories.[6]

Spreading Islam throughout the World
The concept of spreading Islam throughout the world is a fundamental pillar of the Saudi education system, as the following principles from the document by the Higher Committee for Educational Policy indicate:"The purpose of education is to understand Islam in a proper and complete manner, to implement and spread the Muslim faith, to provide a student with Islamic values, and teachings."[7]The document discusses the importance of "providing the individual with the necessary ideas, consciousness and abilities to preach the message of Islam."[8]Another concept within the Saudi education system is "widening the horizons of the thinking of the students by acquainting them with various countries of the worldâ?¦ and in attending to the duty of spreading its [Islam's] message..."[9] In order to successfully spread Islam, students are taught "â?¦ at least one of the living languages in addition to their original language to enable them to acquire knowledgeâ?¦ [to] transmit our Saudi knowledgeâ?¦ to other communities and participate in the spreading of Islam."[10]

Teaching the History of Islamic Glories
Educating students in "the spirit of Islamic struggle" is another common theme in the Saudi education system, as the following principles indicate: "Striving and fighting for the sake of Allah is a prescribed duty, a followed tradition and an existing necessity. This spirit of striving will remain in force until the Day of Judgment."[11] This is done by "teaching history in a systematic way, deriving crucial lessons from it and explaining the Islamic points of view," highlighting the glorious stances in the history of Islam and the civilization of its people, "so as to be an example to be followed by our present Muslim generation."[12] "Awakening the spirit of Islamic struggle to resist our enemies, restore our rights and glories, and perform our duties towards the Islamic message"[13] is a general theme students are expected to learn.This in effect will lead to "prompting his [the student's] zeal for the restoration of the glories of his Muslim nationâ?¦ and for the resumption of the march along the path of glory and honor."[14]

Part II: Organizational Aspects

Government Control of Schoolbooks to Guarantee They are Consistent with Islam and Devoid of Anything Conflicting with Its Principles

The Saudi government maintains control of every aspect of educational material:[15] "The government shall be concerned with the control of all books coming into the Kingdom from abroad or going out of the Kingdom to the outside world. No books shall be allowed for use unless they are consistent with Islam, the intellectual trends and educational aims of the Kingdom..."[16] The government policy also states: "All books should fulfill the aims of education and be devoid of anything conflicting with Islam."[17] Students also learn "how to face misleading rumors, destructive doctrines, and alien thoughts,"[18]The Saudi education authorities insist "the school textbooks should be in line with Islamic requirements."[19]

Textbook Development


According to the study by the Saudi Cultural Mission to the U.S., "committees at the Ministry of Education oversee the development of textbooks[20] in every subject for all educational levelsâ?¦ Textbooks are updated periodically to reflect developments in different subjects. The textbooks used in Islamic studies, for example, which primarily cover the traditional religious texts and their interpretation, change very little over the years. Textbook materials in fields such as mathematics, science, and social studies, however are reevaluated regularly. Similar textbooks are used by male and female students who also follow the same academic curricula.It is compulsory that private schools use the same textbooks and curricula employed in the public schools. The government provides textbooks to private schools free of charge."[21]

Part III. Translations from Saudi Schoolbooks[22]

Jihad
From an early age, schoolchildren are taught about Jihad for the Sake of Allah (Al-Jihad fi sabil Allah). In a textbook for 8th grade students, a Hadith is introduced about a companion of the Prophet Muhammad who asked the Prophet: "What labor is most favored by Allah? He [the Prophet] answered: Prayers on time; he then asked: what next? The Prophet answered: love thy parents. He then asked: what else: The Prophet answered: Jihad for the sake of Allah."The textbook interprets the conversation between the Prophet and his companion as follows: the most important activity is Jihad for the sake of Allah and the convocation of Allah's religion on this earth.[23]

In a textbook titled "Pictures from the Lives of the Companions," the students are told that following the battle of Badr (the first victory of Muslims over the disbelievers) a new chapter in the Koran had descended on the Prophet which raised, in the eyes of Allah, the status of the mujahideen (Jihad warrior) and their preference over those who sit still. The chapter challenges the mujahid to Jihad, and discourages those who sit still.[24]

Jews and Christians â?? Cursed by Allah and Turned into Apes and Pigs
A textbook for 8th grade students explains why Jews and Christians were cursed by Allah and turned into apes and pigs.Quoting Surat Al-Maida, Verse 60, the lesson explains that Jews and Christians have sinned by accepting polytheism and therefore incurred Allah's wrath.To punish them, Allah has turned them into apes and pigs.[25]


PC...im sorry you are Ignorant to the facts^^^^^ VVVVVV

They are turning us into animals (like hitler) cause they want us DEAD.



The Whole World Should Convert to Islam and Leave Their False Religions Lest Their Fate Will Be Hell
A schoolbook for 5th grade instructs the students: "The religions which people follow on this earth are many, but the only true religion is the religion of Islam.As for the other religions, they are false as mentioned in the Koran (the Sura of Aal 'Umran Verse 85): 'And whoever follows a religion that is not Islam, it will not be accepted from him and in the Hereafter he will be of the losers.''The religion of Islam we know from the Koran and the Hadiths about the Prophet. The whole world should convert to Islam and leave its false religions lest their fate will be hell. As mentioned in the Koran (the Sura of Al-Nihal Verse 125): '[I swear] by Him who holds Muhammad's soul in his hand that not one Jew or Christian who had heard me and did not believe in the message that I was sent with shall die without being one of those whose fate is hell.'"

The students are then asked to mark "yes" or "no" to the following questions:

*"The Islamic religion is the road to heavenâ?¦"

*"Other religions bestow eternal damnation on their adherentâ?¦"[26]

"There is a Jew Behind Me, Come and Kill Him!"


A schoolbook for the 9th grade on Hadith introduces a famous narration known by the name, "The Promise of the Stone and the Tree."It tells a story about Abu Hurayra, one of the Prophet's companions who quoted the Prophet as saying: "The hour [the Day of Judgment] will not come until the Muslims fight the Jews and kill them.A Jew will [then] hide behind a rock or a tree, and the rock or tree will call upon the Muslim: 'O Muslim, O slave of Allah! there is a Jew behind me, come and kill him!' - except for the gharqad tree, for it is one of the trees of the Jews."[27] The Hadith is accompanied by a number of statements:


"It is Allah's wisdom that the struggle between Muslims and Jews shall continue until the Day of Judgment."

"The Hadithbrings forth the glad tidings about the ultimate victory, with Allah's help, of Muslims over Jews."

"The Jews and the Christians are the enemies of the believers.They will not be favorably disposed toward Muslims and it is necessary to be cautious [in dealing with them] ."
The book asks questions for class discussion:


"Who will be victorious in the Day of Judgment?"

"With what types of weapons should Muslims arm themselves against the Jews?"

"Name four factors leading to the victory of Muslims over their enemies."[28]
Jewish Treachery
In a textbook for 5th grade on the "History of the Islamic State" the students are told that the Prophet Muhammad had concluded an agreement with the Jewish tribes in Medina so that they would not commit treacheries against Muslims. "The Jews (then) broke their promise because they were known for treachery, and the Prophet had expelled them from Medina to their relatives in Khaibar where they started plotting (again)."It is then that the Prophet had decided to invade them, destroy their fortifications and bring them under submission.[29]

A subject of discussion in the classroom is the case of Abdullah bin Saba, a "hypocrite Jew" who converted to Islam fraudulently and caused sedition among Muslims which resulted in the martyrdom of the third Khalifa, Othman ibn 'Affan.[30]

Jesus is Not the Son of God

Islam acknowledges Jesus, the son of Miriam, as a prophet. In the book, "Interpretation of the Oneness of God (Tawheed)," for first year high-school students it is related that God had sent Jesus to order the Jews to worship the oneness of God. The book then states that "He [Jesus] is the messenger of God, not his son as the Christians claim."[31]

Part IV: Exporting the Saudi Education System

Spreading Islam throughout the world is emphasized on numerous occasions in the official Saudi document authored by the Higher Committee for Educational Policy. For example, students are taught: "to plant and spread the Islamic creed,"[32] and that "preaching of Islam throughout the world â?¦ is the duty of the state and its citizens."[33] The Saudi curriculum also educates students on the importance of "propagating Islam in all areas of our globe, with wisdom and sound preaching."[34]

OnMarch 1, 2002, 'Ayn-Al-Yaqeen, a weekly news magazine published online by the Saudi royal family, detailed the efforts of the Saudi royal family to spread Islam throughout the world.[35] The article states, "The cost of King Fahd's efforts in this field has been astronomical, amounting to many billions of Saudi riyals. In terms of Islamic institutions, the result is some 210 Islamic centers wholly or partly financed by Saudi Arabia, more than 1,500 mosques and 202 colleges and almost 2,000 schools for educating Muslim children in non-Islamic countries in Europe, North and South America, Australia, and Asiaâ?¦"

According to 'Ayn-Al-Yaqeen, the list of countries where the Saudis have established schools includes (among others): the United States, Canada, Great Britain, France, Russia, Germany, Switzerland, Australia, Belgium, New Zealand, Spain, Austria, Scotland, Italy, Croatia, Bosnia, Hungary, Afghanistan, Pakistan, Egypt, Palestinian Territories, Jordan, Lebanon, Yemen, Japan, Indonesia, South Korea, Thailand, Malaysia, Bangladesh, Burundi, Fiji, Azerbaijan, Kurdistan, Algeria, Nigeria, Chad, Kenya, Cameroon, Senegal, Uganda, Mali, Somalia, Sudan, Brazil, Eritrea, and Djibouti.[36]

The Case of the Islamic Academy in Washington, D.C.
The 'Ayn-Al-Yaqeen article added, "it is not surprising that King Fahd Ibn Abd Al-Aziz initiated a program to establish Islamic academies in some of the major capitals of the worldâ?¦Amongst them is the Islamic Academy in Washington, D.C. established in 1984. The academy has 1,200 students... 549 are Saudis. The rest represent 29 nationalities." A report in The Washington Post on July 11, 2002, explained that the Saudi academy now educates about 1,300 students from pre-kindergarten through 12th grade on two campuses in northern Virginia, with a dual American and Middle Eastern curriculum. Muslim educators say the academy is unlike other Muslim schools in the United States, many of which struggle for resources, in part because it is heavily funded by Saudi Arabia. Some Islamic studies classes at the school use Saudi Arabian textbooks that promote hatred of other religions. The Saudi Islamic Academy lost its accreditation and withdrew its membership from a respected association of private schools in Virginia following an unwelcome inquiry. According to sources, the association raised questions regarding the Academy's funding sources, as well as voiced concern about the substance of the Academy's curriculum.[37]

Part V: Saudi Officials on their Education System

Of late, many members of the Saudi royal family, as well as government spokesmen, have made statements regarding the Saudi education system. Saudi government preachers also speak often about education.Sheikh Majed 'Abd Al-Rahman Al-Firian recently stated in the SuleimanBin Muqiran mosque in Riyadh: "Muslims mustâ?¦ educate their children to Jihad. This is the greatest benefit of the situation: educating the children to Jihad and to hatred of the Jews, the Christians, and the infidels; educating the children to Jihad and to revival of the embers of Jihad in their souls. This is what is needed nowâ?¦"[38]

In reaction to U.S. criticism[39] of Saudi education policy, high level Saudi officials have issued statements in defense of their education system, insisting it does not teach hatred and Jihad. In fact, this has been part of the message of the multi-million dollar Saudi PR campaign in the U.S. to explain to Americans that Saudi Arabia is against terrorism. In an interview with the Associated Press[40]on October 21, 2002, 'Adel al-Jubeir, foreign policy advisor to Saudi Arabia's Crown Prince Adbullah, urged Americans not to fault the Saudi education system for producing 15 of the September 11 hijackers by saying, "the Unabomber went to Harvard" and "can you tell me that Timothy McVeigh represents America?"

During the last week of August 2002, the Kingdom of Saudi Arabia released a 10 page summary report from its embassy in Washington, D.C.[41] documenting its "Initiatives and Actions in the Fight Against Terrorism." The Saudi embassy document explains: "Our education system does not teach anti-American doctrines and hatred of the West... Islam teaches peace, amicability, and tolerance, not violence and hatredâ?¦" Saudi Foreign Minister Prince S'ud al-Faysal's address to the UN[42] on September 19, 2002 added, "The Kingdom of Saudi Arabia, which itself suffered from acts of terrorismâ?¦ made the fight against terrorism part of basic school curriculaâ?¦"

Another official government reaction came on the first anniversary of September 11.Saudi Minister of the Interior, Prince Naif Ibn Abd Al-Aziz[43] gave an interview to the Saudi-owned London daily Al-Sharq Al-Awsat.He spoke about his views of those who call for changing the Saudi school curricula, especially on subjects relating to Jihad. The prince said: "We do believe in the soundness of our educational curriculum, but we never oppose development of educational methods in a manner that does not run counter to the country's deep-rooted principles."The prince added: "We strongly believe in the correctness of our education system and its objectives. We don't change our systems on the demands of others... "[44]

On October 20, 2002, Prince Kahled Bin Fahd Bin Khaled wrote in Al-Sharq Al-Awsat that the Saudi school curriculum is based on Shari'ah (Islamic Law) and that while it is true that a small group of Saudis were involved in September 11, they were not the masterminds of these acts.The prince explained that the leading perpetrators of the attack were unaware of the objectives and the impact of the operations which were erroneously and arbitrarily linked to Saudi Arabia's educational curriculum. The prince claimed that the Saudi curriculum does not warrant baseless accusations.[45]

The same week on October 26, 2002, Saudi Defense Minister Prince Sultan Ibn Abd Al-'Aziz[46] discussed his country's education system: "We will never change our education policy, and there is no demand that we change it. Our country has a policy... and above all religious curricula that must never be harmed.Any demand by another country in the world that Saudi Arabia change its curricula is unacceptable interference in [Saudi] sovereignty. There is no such demand, and we ask that our free press take note that there are people who belong to Israel [and act] against the [Saudi] kingdom's policy and do the impossible in order to drive a wedge between Saudi Arabia and the U.S. in particular, and between Saudi Arabia and the European countries. Our friendship will continue, and it is flawless..."[47] During a press conference held between American and Saudi officials in late October 2002,[48]Saudi Deputy Education Minister Dr. Khaled Al-'Awad also referred to the matter, claiming that during recent meetings with U.S. officials, the Americans had retracted their accusations regarding the Saudi curricula. He explained: "Meetings were held between top Saudi Education Ministry officials and American media personnel and officials to clarify that the Saudi curriculum is fine and does not encourage or boost terrorism and hatred of a member of another religion or faith. This follows attacks on the Saudi curriculum, according to which it was claimed that the curricula nourished the [ideas] of terrorism in the souls of the pupils following the events of September 11, in which 15 of the 19 perpetrators of the events that shocked New York and Washington and killed hundreds of people were Saudis." Dr. Al-'Awad also claimed that the U.S. admitted it made a mistake regarding criticism of the Saudi education system and would be offering an apology: "These meetings yielded positive results, and since most of those present realized that the Saudi curricula were fine, they retracted their baseless accusations.In light of the facts and information presented to them during this meeting, some of the media personnel realized that the Saudi learning process is fine, and they promised to stop the attacks and to apologize for the false accusations. Similarly, some of the officials promised to retract their previous positions."[49]



Please tell me Im wrong...:(

[Bong30]

So PC witch are you? Ape or Pig?

[psychocat]

Mutant monkey ty

Religions of all kinds have BS , try reading the old testament.
As for your interpretation of what you wrote may I suggest a little more care when posting and it will avoid the need to repost because you were not clear the first time.

You bring Islam doesnt teach the Jews and christians Apes and pigs you are a fucking Idiot....

TRANSLATED

You may try to argue that Islam doesn't teach that Jews and Christians are apes and pigs. It makes so much more sense when it's written in English.
As for the fucking idiot comment thats just plain ignorance.

I do not consider myself Anti American but believe me when I say the gung ho kill em all brigade make it difficult to have a civilised discussion about what I believe America is doing wrong which is bullying and coercion .

As for the idea that Bush is a peaceful man I really don't buy that one at all, Americas idea of diplomacy seems to be based on do as we say or be bombed.

PS for those who missed it or are just to lazy to read the previous posts I DO NOT HATE AMERICA JUST YOUR GOVERMENTS FOREIGN POLICY !!!

[Bong30]

Mutant monkey ty

Religions of all kinds have BS , try reading the old testament.
As for your interpretation of what you wrote may I suggest a little more care when posting and it will avoid the need to repost because you were not clear the first time.

You bring Islam doesnt teach the Jews and christians Apes and pigs you are a fucking Idiot....

TRANSLATED

You may try to argue that Islam doesn't teach that Jews and Christians are apes and pigs. It makes so much more sense when it's written in English.
As for the fucking idiot comment thats just plain ignorance.

I do not consider myself Anti American but believe me when I say the gung ho kill em all brigade make it difficult to have a civilised discussion about what I believe America is doing wrong which is bullying and coercion .

As for the idea that Bush is a peaceful man I really don't buy that one at all, Americas idea of diplomacy seems to be based on do as we say or be bombed.

PS for those who missed it or are just to lazy to read the previous posts I DO NOT HATE AMERICA JUST YOUR GOVERMENTS FOREIGN POLICY !!!


This is from the Koran what did i traslate....

I took it from another thread where i was telling EG to fuck off and I changed It, i was trying to be nice.

Debate this.....and then get stuff from the old tetament right next to it.


Jews and Christians â?? Cursed by Allah and Turned into Apes and Pigs
A textbook for 8th grade students explains why Jews and Christians were cursed by Allah and turned into apes and pigs.Quoting Surat Al-Maida, Verse 60, the lesson explains that Jews and Christians have sinned by accepting polytheism and therefore incurred Allah's wrath.To punish them, Allah has turned them into apes and pigs.[25]


I want to see..in the Bible Muslims are apes and pigs and

PC I WANT TO SEE WHERE IN SCHOOL THIS IS BEING TOUGHT TO KIDS....

THE INFORMATION WAS FROM THE MADRASSAS....THIS IS WHAT THEY TEACH THE KIDS.

SHOW ME WHERE WE TEACH OUR KIDS SHIT LIKE THAT...in school

I am serious.....show me I will have some more respect....I am asking nice.


You didnt even come close to answering anything thats why i get pissed.

[Bong30]

PC they are trying to make Jews into animal Like hitler did... I seriuos as a hart attack


I herd an interview with a Hollocust survivor....He said


"when someone tell you they are going to wipe you off the face of the earth believe them" speaking of hitler...

Hiler
said he was going to kill all ther jews
Pres of Iran said he was going to kill all the jews

Hitler made Jews into animals......
Pres of Iran ( 12ver) says Jews are apes and pigs.....

My point is, Pres of Iran is like Hitler in many ways such as demonizing his victims, threating genocide, mass protest of common enemy.

PC i wrote you a thesis statememnt I expect you to have something better than "you ever read the Old testament"

Bring it....

[B.Basher]

"when someone tell you they are going to wipe you off the face of the earth believe them" speaking of hitler...

Come on man, Hitler was a political genius who took advantage of his country's desperation and made all the right moves to get into the position that allowed him to wipe out whomever he wanted. There were so many contributing factors that resulted in the holocaust. If your using that kind of logic, most political leaders are like Hitler in their own ways.

And if my kids came home saying they learned about turning into pigs and apes in school, i'd seriously doubt our educational system, as i'm sure would most sane people in the country.

Cheers.

[andruejaysin]

An American is Christian, or he could be Jewish, or Buddhist, or Muslim.
In fact, there are more Muslims in America than in Afghanistan.
Your estimate of the number of muslims in the US is off by something like a factor of ten. Which perhaps explains why your fear level is so out of touch with reality. It is not anti-american to oppose the policies of the bush government, in fact it is anti-american to support them. The policies place america a greater risk, therefore I can only assume you hate america. Why else would you be in favor of actions which are not in the interests of the US? Is bong a traitor, or simply a moron? While we may never know for sure, I am open to the possibility he's both.

[B.Basher]

Is bong a traitor, or simply a moron? While we may never know for sure, I am open to the possibility he's both.

Traitor is a silly word to use, to me its going by the same senseless nationalistic pride that Bong and his kind relish so much. In an argument that in the end comes down to logic, ethics and good old fashioned common sense, i'd say moron would definitely be more suitable. :thumbsup:

Cheers.

[Bong30]

You two are great.....

Like I have said......

I would rather be My kind of smart, than your kind of stupid......


This is common sense...when some says they are going to kill you believe them..... you guys use the oppisite of logic

You run on Emotion.....cause you are Bleeding hart Libs.

If you are not here in America....Stay the fuck out

If you are here in america......You are the Enemy within.


Hey maybe you 2 could rub your heads together and get one brain going and come up with something smart to say to this.....

Pres of Iran is like Hitler in many ways such as demonizing his victims, threating genocide, mass protest of common enemy.

Look up sedition...and you guys fall right in line.:thumbsup:

[ValkyrieAg]

I couldn't live anywhere else. Been to amsterdam, couldn't live there. Been everywhere, I'll stick to Texas.

[psychocat]

Can we get away from the jews, I am an atheist pure and simple, I do not believe in any doctrine which expects IMO blind faith so religion interests me very little other than as a theological discussion , christian jew muslim I think it's all madness but that has very little to do with the question of wether it is anti american to disagree with the US goverments way of handling itself.
I have noticed a theme to your arguments and you do it far too often , instead of staying on topic you try to sideline and steer it to "THE HOLOCAUST" are you obsessed?

You really need to think before you speak it would aid you greatly in remembering wtf the actual discussion is about

The translation I was on about earlier was the translation of your own earlier sentence that made no sense into something that everyone could understand,if you ever bother to actualy read and understand the posts I wouldn't need to spell things out for you

I have had death threats and I'm still here so that kinda fucks up your argument that what someone says they are going to do they must be going to do.

Love it when you resort to your sad name calling highly mature LMAO

Liberal is something nobody who actualy knows me would ever use and it amuses me no end when planks on the net use it as an insult, if only they knew. Keep guessing monkey boy I am an anarchist I don't even like mutant monkies that much in fact I believe war is a good way of thinning out the population. I also believe that the power holders will always sit at home safe and sound while the plebs give their lives to satisfy the elites greed for power.

Now what do you think I am, anti american ? anti human ? or maybe anti BS ?