The current state of hip hop

[K_Shootz_Den]

i am writing this because i am concerned witht the current state of hip hop, that is: garbage, absolute trash, i dont even litsen to the radio anymore, hip hop, well mainstream rap, is absolute crap now, the top songs rap about "shoulder leans" and "snap your fingers" and "its goin down", how pathetic is it that these idiotic no lyrical talent no flow no content rappers can make millions of dollars? how pathetic is it that these same recycled generic beats are used in every song? it just sucks that hip hop is like this now, back when dre and snoop and big and pac were big hip hop was great, even old school rappers like ice cube, but now idiots like 50 cent, TI, lil jon, lil(insert lame rapper name), young (insert lame rapper name), run the rap business and its horrible, stupid techno generic beats, violin esque annoying beats coupled with horrible lyrics, underground hip hop is where its at, fuck this mainstream shit, sorry for ranting, id like to hear opinions on this

[cole]

look man real hip hop is still alive you just have to find it, as for rap that launched off of hip hop i think its absolutly rediculous i hate rap , just like you said, no lyrical tallents ect ect but its what people seem to want so it sells. i like old hip hop , mc's ,dj's bboy's and b'girls, and graf artists, thats hip hop, rap that clames hip hop is bs it all shit all of it

[dryst]

hip hop and main stream rap is coming to a halt...its time is almost over and with it will dawn a new era of sort of crazy genre of music...

[dejayou30]

those lame generic rap songs strike chords with so many college kids. a lot of my friends think they are the best fucking songs ever. ever been to a bar in a big 10 school? people eat that shit up. i for one am tired of hearing about how big your rims are or how your car has candy paint. i think every paul wall song has the same lyrics just in differnet order. paul wall and mike jones recycle lyrical lines like no one's business. i hate all the rap thats on the radio or MTV. its all the same.

[hempilation311]

i just saw a commercial for some new song called "chain hang low". wtf man... I don't give a damn about your bling. i just hate that apparently some people do.

[graph]

What about underground hip hop?

Or am I the only person who listens to that junk?

[dryst]

What about underground hip hop?

Or am I the only person who listens to that junk?

links or something?

[SpiritLevel]

K_Shootz_Den (http://boards.cannabis.com/member.php?u=54615) I feel you mann! I'm not much of a a Hip-Hop/Rap fan but it isn't just that Genre that is currently suffering. Even mainstream R&B, Reggae and Jamaican Dancehall music (genres amongst my collection) are being bombarded with artists that broadcast utter nonsense to the listening audience. As dejayou30 (http://boards.cannabis.com/member.php?u=49404) says '..those lame generic rap songs strike chords with so many college kids...'. Its all to do with money and, just as importantly, keeping listeners locked in a particular frame of mind. Attacking the young minds via audio and visual hypnosis is all I see. Ensuring young folk adapt a totally materialistic lifestyle of fast cars, jewellery, greenbacks and bitches.. cus females that buy into that mode and play up to it R bitches while the dudes call themselves dawgs. Rather be an animal with ice than a person.

Big ass record comapnies won't put much effort into marketing the likes of Dead Prez, Immoral Technique, and Mos Def because their lyrical content is such that it can infringe on the objectives of those record companies. The best rappers talk the truth about the times and environment they live(d) in. They spoke/speak of stuggle and strife and what they think the government is upto. They sent/send a message in the music. Often these artists would empower and influence the listener to get up and do something positive. Instead, we have rappers chatting about that which will oppose much of what traditional artists stood for. It's all about Bling Bling, Biatches, Booty Shakin, Shooting Up a Next Man and his Crew, and general BEEF between numerous shit heads.

[buddymyfriend]

It's still alive, ya just got look for it! Bands like Hilltop Hoods(aussie band), Klashnekoff, Skinnyman, Lethal B all breaking through the hip hop scene! Rep'in the UK!

Peace

Buddy

[MegaOctane12]

But isn't all the best shit underground? Its not just rap. I think raps lost its originality and its somehow become more about image and what it can offer to the 'artist' i.e lifestyle,money which attracts people to do it, they don't care about the music, they want to get paid, and these are the people most attractive too music producers.

[herbollah]

hip hop and rap are really bad , man. i can't listen to either of them. someone jumping around with a mic spouting out crap like "shoot that beeatch" or "nigga , nigga , nigga" just ain't my cup of tea

[SpiritLevel]

MegaOctane12 (http://boards.cannabis.com/member.php?u=45455) agreed!

[Big Calhoun]

those lame generic rap songs strike chords with so many college kids. a lot of my friends think they are the best fucking songs ever. ever been to a bar in a big 10 school? people eat that shit up. i for one am tired of hearing about how big your rims are or how your car has candy paint. i think every paul wall song has the same lyrics just in differnet order. paul wall and mike jones recycle lyrical lines like no one's business. i hate all the rap thats on the radio or MTV. its all the same.

Dejayou30 For The Win!!

This is the crux of the issue. Hip hop and rap have always been about one thing, responding to the masses. The songs that are getting the most air play now are what the primary listeners want to hear and what's important to them...materialistic BS. For rap and hip hop to change, the culture that listens to the music has to change.

Prime example...OutKast. IdleWild is probably THE BEST hip hop album out right now. Original beats, original music, thought provoking lyrics. But many listeners want bump that album because there is no talk of rims, bling bling, big booty bitches, etc. People start buying more albums from groups like OutKast and The Roots and you'll slowly see artists like Young Jeezy/Wayne/Payne/Jock/Whoever else slowly fade away.

[pogmoasal1]

the only good rappers around are outkast and luda
of corse i hates the raps
it all went down hill once adidas with no laces went out of style
well maybe more when people started gettin shot
let me correct that agian when people started getting shot
for no reason except they were the better artist now
who cares if one gets shot cause 15 others will replace him
and sound exactly the same

[hempilation311]

ok since some apparently didn't hear me the first time, "chain hang low". that's all i gotta say about the current state of rap. creativity hangs low and so does my head when i hear this song

[smok3y]

Uk hip hop is becomin pretty big these days, Once people stop trying to compare them with U.S Mc's then maby we can blow world wide..
Aint nothing decent comin out from the states these days, prefer to listn to some old school stuff like the old wu albums, 2pac, biggie, eric b and rakim etc..
I still do like to listn to the underground stuff, likes of Imortal Techniqe,dead prez,rass kass, Mos Def, Krs one,Gangsta..

[DannyMan]

What about underground hip hop?

Or am I the only person who listens to that junk?

Certainly not my friend! I, too, belong in the underground.
I used to be into Punk and metal.. then one day I was watching a 411 Skate video, and heard Atmosphere on there.

Haven't listened to any punk/metal for over 3 years now. I find that underground beats almost always flow so well with the lyrical abilities some of those MC's possess. It's pure genius and art at it's best! :thumbsup:

[DMB4257Heels]

You wanna hear some real good hood rap, listen to D-Block (Styles P, Jadakiss, Sheek Louch, Ghostface). There the shit and by the way 50 Cent is the biggest faggot ever haha.

[JuggaloAtTheDoor]

they're in it for the money, and ur right they rnt very tallented..

[budsmoker]

you all need 2 listen 2 bone thugs n harmony

[dryst]

jadakiss aint shit

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Certainly not my friend! I, too, belong in the underground.
I used to be into Punk and metal.. then one day I was watching a 411 Skate video, and heard Atmosphere on there.

Haven't listened to any punk/metal for over 3 years now. I find that underground beats almost always flow so well with the lyrical abilities some of those MC's possess. It's pure genius and art at it's best! :thumbsup:

Yeah man, blast the atmos. Well, except sevens travels. No atmosphere fan likes sevens travels.

It's funny, most people who hate modern hip hop like underground. But then again, underground is so diverse. It's all about what you like.

Oh, and dryst, underground hip hop is an entire different type of hip hop. It focuses more on intelligent lyrics and groundbreaking beats, usually with a jazzy feel to them. If you're looking for some good underground artists, the most popular are atmosphere, murs (both of which made an album called felt), immortal technique, MF Doom, etc. If you're looking for some REAL underground, look for blockhead (producer, makes beats) ADeeM, or josh martinez.

[4gan2ja0]

i agree- hip hop isnt what it used to be, but then again, there isnt much music nowadays that is. anything on mtv or on any countdown is mindless, no-talent-required so-called music. Why are bands like fall out boy and panic! at the disco popular? it makes no sense, they just play power chords to a whinny vocalist. thats not right! what happened to music being about the music instead of this trash? im sorry im off topic, but i figured itd be better to do this instead of starting a new thread on pretty much the same thing.

[sks1]

I back UK Hip Hop to the end, Sway is the best rapper ive heard in a long, long time.

As for the US im as always impressed by The Game for a mainstream rapper.

[FAllout]

Gnarles Barkley!

[BabyFacedAbortion]

Certainly not my friend! I, too, belong in the underground.
I used to be into Punk and metal.. then one day I was watching a 411 Skate video, and heard Atmosphere on there.

Haven't listened to any punk/metal for over 3 years now. I find that underground beats almost always flow so well with the lyrical abilities some of those MC's possess. It's pure genius and art at it's best! :thumbsup:



MEEP!! I was skimming thru praying someone would mention Atmosphere. I am the biggest Atmosphere freak ever. They are amazing! And it's true, I didn't really dig sevens travels

[JuggaloAtTheDoor]

you all need 2 listen 2 bone thugs n harmony

bone thugz is sweet.. wouldnt call that mainstream/radio shit tho..

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MEEP!! I was skimming thru praying someone would mention Atmosphere. I am the biggest Atmosphere freak ever. They are amazing! And it's true, I didn't really dig sevens travels

Nobody likes sevens travels. Can't you see how much fun we're having is alright, but I dig the old atmosphere, like overcast. Ant's beats are all starting to sound the same. Slug's getting too popular, I don't like it.

So since you're a girl do you listen to aesop and sage francis? I just ask because every underground girl listens to aesop and sage francis.

Oh, and you like ADeeM?

[BabyFacedAbortion]

I am IN LOVE with Slug, but sadly I agree, I'll always adore him tho lol. I listen to a bunch of sage francis, not so much aesop.

I've never heard of ADeeM, do you reccomend 'em?

[BabyFacedAbortion]

P.S

This thread makes me wonder if any of you guys are into the "underground" poetry-slam scene?

[mrpink019]

Finally, people that agree with me on this issue! I can't stand hip-hop nowadays. No talent thugs who write simplistic raps about the thug life or fucking chiks or some other dumb shit, with paid off producers who create the actual "music".

Sampling is by far my favorite part of hip-hop, and lately the only person who has impressed me lately in that aspect is Kanye West.

The Dilated Peoples, RJD2, Jurassic 5, and The Beatnuts are the way to go.

And the Alchemist.

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poetry slam? Unfamiliar?

ADeeM's cool but way underground. He has a group called Glue, their second cd is coming out soon. The first was seconds away, and it'll blow you away. I don't think the new one's gonna be so good though.

If there's only one place in your town that sells underground records you probably won't find him, but look around. I got the cd on amazon for 15 bucks. If you download music, there you go.


RJD2 gives me shivers. It's all about Ghostwriter.

[Professor Dan K.]

There is very little rap that i actually like, but to name a few, ludacris, wutang, and immortal technique are all sick in my opinion

[BabyFacedAbortion]

Immortal Technique has been one of my favourites ever since I heard "dance with the devil" back a few years.

I'm so baked right now I actually ment to say "slam-poetry" not "poetry-slam". If you've ever heard clips of the "Def Poetry Jam" it's a lot like that, well basically is. Slam is just a certian way of reading really meaningful poems and shit.

[bub7202]

umm...could someone help me out here i found this plant growing in my dads garden and i wanna know if its weed here are the pictures the plant is a little hard to see but if its weed youll spot it


http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v300/sicmaggot7202/plantys005.jpg
its kinda hidden by the tomato plants.


http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v300/sicmaggot7202/plantys005.jpg
maybe a male?

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v300/sicmaggot7202/plantys003.jpg
when ur up close it kinda looks like theres little flowers starting to bud.,but these pictures are taken fro ma far and zoomed in cause my digital camra sucks and has to be pluged in.


http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v300/sicmaggot7202/plantys001.jpg
can you or someone eles help me out. it whould be much apreciated. thanks :rasta:

[bub7202]

umm...could someone help me out here i found this plant growing in my dads garden and i wanna know if its weed here are the pictures the plant is a little hard to see but if its weed youll spot it


http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v3...plantys005.jpg
its kinda hidden by the tomato plants.


http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v3...plantys005.jpg
maybe a male?

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v3...plantys003.jpg
when ur up close it kinda looks like theres little flowers starting to bud.,but these pictures are taken fro ma far and zoomed in cause my digital camra sucks and has to be pluged in.


http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v3...plantys001.jpg
can you or someone eles help me out. it whould be much apreciated. thanks

[BabyFacedAbortion]

Did you just click a random thread and decide to start asking questions?

Well, your answer IMO is that ..I can't see it clear enough. I don't think so though.

[keepontruckin]

I miss gangster rap.

Talkin about sellin crack and killin people.

Thats what I'm talkin about.

[K_Shootz_Den]

you all need 2 listen 2 bone thugs n harmony

im sorry, but bone thugs n harmony have no lyrical content, theyre rhymes are simple and their lyrics arent deep, they just have weird voices which i guess people like, but in my opinion bone thugs bone suck, and to the person who said underground rap is good: in my original post i did mention i listen to underground rap, in fact its what inspired me to write this, i love underground rap, in my opinion underground rap is the most genious music out there, my favorite artists are aesop rock(genius), atmosphere, mf doom, del the funky homosapien(crazy), and some others, my fav underground song right now is prob off the wutang "think differently music" its a collab with aesop and del, called "preservation"

[K_Shootz_Den]

P.S

This thread makes me wonder if any of you guys are into the "underground" poetry-slam scene?

my teacher was away for a week at some national slam poetry thing, hes actually a DJ and has his own show on the radio friday nights, he plays underground rap, so hes a great source of music, also he plays beats and people call in and freestyle, his DJ name is DJ million billion, not sure what he goes by when hes doing poetry but his name is melvin pat borja

[BigHyphyD]

ok since some apparently didn't hear me the first time, "chain hang low". that's all i gotta say about the current state of rap. creativity hangs low and so does my head when i hear this song


He's talking about his testes.

[BigHyphyD]

www.myspace.com/livinglegends

www.myspace.com/murs

www.myspace.com/peopleunderthestiars

www.myspace.com/zion1

[The Big Easy]

I think in about 5 years everyone will wake up and look back on hip hop the same way we all now look back at 80's music. "What the Hell were we thinking?"

[suhl]

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"we gonna fucka in the back a the bus and fill her nose up fulla that dust"

[blazed620]

best underrated rappers : Chamillionaire & Tech N9ne.......just download some of their songs.....not "ridin dirty" while that song was good it was way overplayed....go get chamillionaires album : The mixtape Messiah......3 cds....dedicated to dissing mike jones lol.....who? DIKE JONES

and as for Tech N9ne.....download : Slacker, I"m a playa, and this Ring...all good songs

[O. G. ganja smoker]

i miss the old days when dre snoop and pac were around now its just love songs and girly shit kanye west could have never even existed in 1995 X raideds the shit!

[ronjohn420]

Big ass record comapnies won't put much effort into marketing the likes of Dead Prez, Immoral Technique, and Mos Def because their lyrical content is such that it can infringe on the objectives of those record companies. The best rappers talk the truth about the times and environment they live(d) in. They spoke/speak of stuggle and strife and what they think the government is upto. They sent/send a message in the music. Often these artists would empower and influence the listener to get up and do something positive. Instead, we have rappers chatting about that which will oppose much of what traditional artists stood for. It's all about Bling Bling, Biatches, Booty Shakin, Shooting Up a Next Man and his Crew, and general BEEF between numerous shit heads.

i thought i was the only one who liked dead prez...

right on:thumbsup:

and yes todays rap is fucking crap without the damn C

[jokeyjokejoke]

"I aint watchin the states neither their whole shit's tired/
all the great rappers is either dead or retired" - Akala (UK)

Didn't US Hip Hop during the two year period where Eminem signed 50/dropped Encore?

UK's getting BIG now although there is a load of kids running round shouting about guns they aint got there's also some shit hot talent out there.

Klashnekoff(myspace.com/officialklashnekoff)
Akala (Download "Carried Away", akalmusic.com)
Plan B (According to the press the "British Eminem" but shit lets hope)
Kano
Sway
Skinnyman

Bound to be more but that's all i can think off at the mo.

[ronjohn420]

Gnarles Barkley!

hahaha...

yeah

"i think youre crazzzzyyyyy...... i think youre crazzzzzzyyy.... posssibly"

get real... you hear that in 2 places

1: through the media
2:gay bars

[ronjohn420]

im sorry, but bone thugs n harmony have no lyrical content, theyre rhymes are simple and their lyrics arent deep, they just have weird voices which i guess people like, but in my opinion bone thugs bone suck, and to the person who said underground rap is good: in my original post i did mention i listen to underground rap, in fact its what inspired me to write this, i love underground rap, in my opinion underground rap is the most genious music out there, my favorite artists are aesop rock(genius), atmosphere, mf doom, del the funky homosapien(crazy), and some others, my fav underground song right now is prob off the wutang "think differently music" its a collab with aesop and del, called "preservation"

yeah.. no talent here!!!

WTF..

(bone thugs- if i could teach the world) verse 1
How many mo days on this old earth can you
see It's a crime to me
So we should get ready for armageddon Cause I know God should be ready to roll
And do away with all of the wicked shit like Mr. Police-man
And dog if you with it then pump ya fist in tha air
And pray for the politicians freely; get a amen?The last days
of the last days

[SpiritLevel]

This is the crux of the issue. Hip hop and rap have always been about one thing, responding to the masses. The songs that are getting the most air play now are what the primary listeners want to hear and what's important to them...materialistic BS. For rap and hip hop to change, the culture that listens to the music has to change.

Hip Hop & Rap wasn't just responding to the masses, it was more of a direction for the masses too. Public Enemy: Don't Believe The Hype... People followed the music not the music followed the people, gee or was it bi-directional? Old skool Hip Hip & Rap is like soul music with spice, even down to many of the beats. Today Hip Hop is responding to the masses in a way that indicates the masses don't know what the hell they want so rappers try and sell an album any which way they can. Sex sells so thas a start! Listeners of legal radio broadcasts listen to what sells and what has been sold, and thas as far as their control extends. The diameter of their listening experience equates to what has been sold in particular record shops. The availabe artists in mainstream record outlets are restricted by the music industry on the whole. You can guarantee that by design, bull shit will be all over the mainstream charts because the restrictions apply before an artist is even signed to a label. The stuff that some of us listen to which we think is important to us is utter crap. If a materialistic lifestyle is what many desire, and musical artists are playing up to peoples desires and advertising it in their music, then like a vicious circle the culture of the listener will not change until they read this thread.

:thumbsup: BabyFacedAbortion (http://boards.cannabis.com/member.php?u=34936), ronjohn420 (http://boards.cannabis.com/member.php?u=51226) , 4gan2ja0 (http://boards.cannabis.com/member.php?u=53562),

[Abattoir Dream]

hey i am with you in that the REAL mainstran crap - i mean rap is just a bunch of retarded people throwin stupid meaningless lyrics on a stupid meaningless beat, -(at least thats wot it sed to me) but u gotta hav alotta respect for those who you may class as mainstream rappers that have been in it for a long time like eminem that seem to have been forgotten about, it doesnt matter what you say, eminem is a man of many talents, a genius even, and i listen to his music as much as i do tupac or dre, a few of the newer rappers are really goin far with it now, - eg obie trice, D12 and i for one congragulate their success - ps i dont hav a clu wot i jus writ, n really cant be bothered to read it agen so, understand wot u can

[Abattoir Dream]

hey, for all the american hip hop fans, you SERIOUSLY have to download or buy a ROOTS MANUVA cd, he is a ledgend, no shittin, the british tupac but just not as wild - im tellin you, buy it,

[FUNKNUGGET]

I live in California (Bay Area) and we have got some awesome underground

Andre Nickatina
Mac Dre (R.I.P.)
Keak Da Sneak
Federation
Mistah Fab


listen to any of these you wont be disappointed

[Bejagins]

yea no shit... "snap ya fingers ... you can do it all by your self...." thats pretty fucking bad. I was inlove with rap when snoop was in his peak... but since then its been pretty shitty :(

[BigHyphyD]

I live in California (Bay Area) and we have got some awesome underground

Andre Nickatina
Mac Dre (R.I.P.)
Keak Da Sneak
Federation
Mistah Fab


listen to any of these you wont be disappointed

Yup 916 here so I'm down with all that shit.

Some people may not like this type of music, mainly because it's just about driving, and thizzin, and going dumb, but I don't care.


When I get high, I LOVE turnin on some Federation and GOIN DUMB!!!!


:dance:

[suhl]

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[RedLocks]

I think part of the problem with hip hop these days is, so many artists are just complete morons. The shit out there now has one point and one point only, destroy the minds of the youth and make them the next dumb ass wannabe MC flowing on about the ice on his wrist. Give me some more Nas, Mos Def, Cypher Complete , ya know the lyricists.. not the iceonthewristisists and that will keep me happy with what I consider hip-hop. I got pleanty of concoisness dancehall and roots reggae artistes that will keep on releasing something new month after month year after year, and it will be good shit every time

-bless

[SpiritLevel]

I been listening to immortal techique lots recently while driving. Good shyt! I watched a 3 hour documentary with this dude talking about lots of shyt. It was good shyt tho

[suhl]

i dont really give a shit about the lyrics in rap music because the real lyricists are out making real music. some rappers can write some songs but there are far better lyricists in pretty much every genre of music. i just love listening to them talk about doing drugs and fucking them hoes after getting them high. i just laugh my ass off when i hear it and think holy shit these guys got some girls high fucked them then got high themselves then wrote a song about it and millions of people gave them money to hear it. you hafta love it
and good rap lyrics pretty much only talk about the state of inner city living and shit like that there really isnt a broad range that im aware of

[Fattie]

This thread is a load of bullshit. All of the songs that you say arent lyrically deep arent because they arent meant to be. Most songs you are mentioning are club songs. Meant for dancing and having fun in the clubs. You listen to the right rap for lyrics, and there are genius rappers. I assume, and i know i should not be doing this, but i assume that none of you go to clubs, so you are just ignorant. And that is not your fault.

[suhl]

i guess you are referring to rap songs other than the ones in your sig.

[legalizeit1234]

its not just mainstream hip-hop that is going way downhill..mainstream music today just sucks, period. and i blame mtv for brainwashing so many kids into listening whatever bull shit they decide is going to be popular next.

[Spliffman3000]

"underground isnt a style, its a positon"-Vast Aire

[Abattoir Dream]

its not just mainstream hip-hop that is going way downhill..mainstream music today just sucks, period. and i blame mtv for brainwashing so many kids into listening whatever bull shit they decide is going to be popular next.


VERY FUCKING WELL SAID

[BigHyphyD]

I'm telling you guys. Download a this music.


Murs
Grouch&Eligh
Mos Def
A Tribe Called Quest
Talib Kwelli
People Under the Stairs
Hieroglyphics/Souls of Mischief
Little Brother
The Roots
Lauryn Hill
Sage Francis
Gangstarr
Deltron 3030
Living Legends
Brother Ali
Atmoshpere
RJD2

[graph]

Glue's new album dropped the other day.

Catch as Catch Can. I've heard it and it's... alright. But hey, if you have turntables and need some good beats for a cheap price, the second part to the cd is just instrumental. So head to the only store in your town that sells underground and pick it up.

[High Plains Drifter]

i am writing this because i am concerned witht the current state of hip hop, that is: garbage, absolute trash, i dont even litsen to the radio anymore, hip hop, well mainstream rap, is absolute crap now, the top songs rap about "shoulder leans" and "snap your fingers" and "its goin down", how pathetic is it that these idiotic no lyrical talent no flow no content rappers can make millions of dollars? how pathetic is it that these same recycled generic beats are used in every song? it just sucks that hip hop is like this now, back when dre and snoop and big and pac were big hip hop was great, even old school rappers like ice cube, but now idiots like 50 cent, TI, lil jon, lil(insert lame rapper name), young (insert lame rapper name), run the rap business and its horrible, stupid techno generic beats, violin esque annoying beats coupled with horrible lyrics, underground hip hop is where its at, fuck this mainstream shit, sorry for ranting, id like to hear opinions on this

I look at the lack of talent in todays rap as an advantage for me. If all these guys who have zero talent are making millions how hard could it be for me. But I hear you, 90% of the rap I listen to came out at least 5 years ago.

[smokey]

it just sucks that hip hop is like this now, back when dre and snoop and big and pac were big hip hop was great, even old school rappers like ice cube,


i dont like how snoop has gone all main stream doing songs with pharrell
didnt think he would sell out

[Nochowderforyou]

I'm not into much of the new hip-hop these days. I follow Jedi Mind Tricks, and some Immortal Technique, but other than that. I don't care much for it.

I like some old school hiphop, like Cypress Hill back in the Black Sunday and Temples of Boom era, that was some prime shit.

Old school House of Pain. Their debut album Fine Malt Lyrics is amazing.

Funkboobiest "Brothas Doobie", with Super Hoes on there :thumbsup:

Old Ice Cube, like Predator, or Lethal Injection.

Like I said, JMT is the only newish hip-hop I follow. I don't even care much for Dilated Peoples anymore.

[K_Shootz_Den]

i dont really give a shit about the lyrics in rap music because the real lyricists are out making real music. some rappers can write some songs but there are far better lyricists in pretty much every genre of music. i just love listening to them talk about doing drugs and fucking them hoes after getting them high. i just laugh my ass off when i hear it and think holy shit these guys got some girls high fucked them then got high themselves then wrote a song about it and millions of people gave them money to hear it. you hafta love it
and good rap lyrics pretty much only talk about the state of inner city living and shit like that there really isnt a broad range that im aware of
I WHOLEheartedly disagree, i dont see how you can say there are no real lyricists in rap when all you hear is the mainstream crap, rap is supposed to be about the lyrics and the beat, a rapper flowing to a beat, not about guitar riffs, and fancy techno electronica enhanced voices, rap is all about lyrics, and i guarantee you you wont find anyone with deeper more metaphoric lyrics than aesop rock, his lyrics are like none ive ever heard, go download some songs by him, and jus listen, look up some lyrcis, it really is a mindfuck

[Mista Sippi]

chamillionaire is sick, yall sleep on them southern boys if you want.
but as far as rap goes, bun b is the king and weezy is the prince.

[BongZoola]

I've always been fond of the west coast 90's era. dre, snoop, 2 pac, nwa.

[suhl]

I WHOLEheartedly disagree, i dont see how you can say there are no real lyricists in rap when all you hear is the mainstream crap, rap is supposed to be about the lyrics and the beat, a rapper flowing to a beat, not about guitar riffs, and fancy techno electronica enhanced voices, rap is all about lyrics, and i guarantee you you wont find anyone with deeper more metaphoric lyrics than aesop rock, his lyrics are like none ive ever heard, go download some songs by him, and jus listen, look up some lyrcis, it really is a mindfuck

no id rather not i hate rap that isnt about fucking bitches and getting high and having big shiny ass rims. if you into guys spittin to da beatz thas coo' but it not fo me breh:thumbsup:

[suhl]

i lied i looked some up to see if i might agree. the first ones i found

radio, check check, video, check check

this is how the city folk and mole people connect

somebody warp the message right i'll pass it to the next

now the perferrated county's making you upset



harvest all brand x clark kents to worm pool

carbon heart

burried his nozzle in fossil marker art

pardon

cadaver had a legitimate pulse

and littered volts are with the village

where the skiddish pigeons molt

bastard poacher gasped

with the pigeon with lazerus billy goat whiskers

he rose to see salt in the open blisters but

blind anarchy slips through the cracks,

see naked martyrs with bubbliscious on fishing rods

itching to pull it back

with that organic invention incubated to hatch

suome can try to make it fructose on paper now

allow the details later and the crews will taper out

of wooly mayors ousts?

through piggy jammy happy shooting at the bladed mouth

bazooka tooth zoo keep the paper route

with janky funds and favors

cradled by twelve empty sell the heart containers

man, it's freezing in this brick bitch

winter forever

like pucks that tawny felt down with his sore furry wrist severed

i walk face first through the sex, guns, and church

with wild things that make maurice syndek question his early works

but no hostages no promises

out the claw of corporate cogs and sprockets,

now clogs off gromits

running from a rabid ring wraith click, basilisk, serpentine

in and out of traffic jam and murder scenes

scrub blood off the AF1 fifty two pick up first degree

some toddler's smuggled tommy guns and crack into the nurseries

dogg, there's a fucking baby at the door asking for wallets

and those ain't twin beenie babies inside his pockets

2010 sonograms show the magnum's worn directly out the fetus

evolution for the young killer convenience



radio, check check, video, check check

this is how the city folk and mole people connect

somebody warp the message right, i'll pass it to the next

now the perferrated county's making you upset

magazine, check check, paper route, check check

this is how the hermit inc. and busy bee connect

somebody's losing track of their flesh and blood in arrests

polka dotted landscapes what did you expect?

now-a-days even the babies got guns

diaper snipers having clock-tower fun

misplace the bottle might catch a bad one

have a mid-life crisis when you're ten years young



hold up

if the jesus piece around your neck is bigger than your pistol

it makes homicide okey dokey and your god will forgive you

just show the saints at heaven's gate you should be on the list

i hear overlooks manslaughter for a tatooed crucifix

twisty, fidgety, contradicting

wild animal shit bleed off the slide of born doctor?

to mister turnable mind bought?

somewhere to laminate dry bones in cool water and ease madula

after you thumb sucking diaper chains

give birth and shoot the school up

i duel, too, but only to exploit no brainers

teenager beef past alligator teeth

and extra-curricular flagpole scrappin'

amongst tadpoles that have yellow backbones

team mechanism brought airborn shrapnel scraps to hassle captain

by the itchy index of an umbilically garped fraggle baby

fragile, maybe, ya think

chop shop and a misled maladjusty crusty lock box

hiding clips that light the sky in seconds

like dueling commutal hopscotch gives them leverage

cut 'em with mortars

while i mumble in the immortal slang of "must-not [sleep]"

for the anti-lead nirvana

i used to think i'd get hit by a bus or something dumb and dumber

now the bus is slugs plugged by the newest kiddie thug wonder

suffered through kingsley

rep a wide pride dosage

for tomorrow the holsters are bound to outnumber the roaches

not a coach, but that'll even jolt the immobile

when global terrorism's all the rage your folk get smoked local

block[head], if you need me, i had to bounce to d.c.

to bullet-proof mom's flower garden

before the war cheats me

if i'm not back in a week tell the crew i said "peace, and lay low"

strains don't vacate slow



radio, check check, video, check check

this is how the city folk and mole people connect
somebody warp the message right, i'll pass it to the next
now the perferated county's making you upset
magazine, check check, news flash, check check
this is how the hermit inc. and busy bee connect
somebody's losing track of their flesh and blood in arrests
polka dotted landscapes what did you expect?
now-a-days even the babies got guns
diaper snipers having clock-tower fun
misplace the bottle might catch a bad one
have a mid-life crisis when you're ten years young
aboard the battleship, gray sky, the day i
got the phone call Jam Master Jay died
so, no, i'll probably never write another daylight
because the stingers tend to cling more than a portable hay rides
it adds up when a pioneer fall
incompares to your ninety-nine bottles of beer wall
there's banana peels in your hamster wheels
hand cannons in your shoebox, please
mine's got adidas, rest in peace.............get at me.



i guess what i consider good songwriting and what you do is a little different. its all good differing opinions make the world go round my brother:rasta:

[Its a Plant]

and i guarantee you you wont find anyone with deeper more metaphoric lyrics than aesop rock, his lyrics are like none ive ever heard, go download some songs by him, and jus listen, look up some lyrcis, it really is a mindfuck
Geee, you're right, rap is ALL about deep, thought-provoking lyrics that really speak to the soul . . :rolleyes:

I couldn't care less what you're listening to, but please, just please, don't try and proclaim that rap's some higher form of music sent from the gods, full of life messages found only in the Bible.

Thinking of creative ways to describe getting high or bustin' a cap isn't deep. I'm sure there are talented writers out there, but in almost any other genre, the lyrics surpass that of most of the rap industry. Plain and simple.

Rap is good for pumping up some sweaty night club, and not much else. If you can prove me wrong, post some DEEP lyrics and we'll have a look.

I'm looking to learn. ~

[suhl]

now by contrast here is what i consider brilliant poetic songwriting and lyrics. oh and he also wrote the song, with the emotion of the music fitting the lyrics instead of putzing around on a drum machine and settling on a beat.


Old man look at my life,
I'm a lot like you were.
Old man look at my life,
I'm a lot like you were.

Old man look at my life,
Twenty four
and there's so much more
Live alone in a paradise
That makes me think of two.

Love lost, such a cost,
Give me things
that don't get lost.
Like a coin that won't get tossed
Rolling home to you.

Old man take a look at my life
I'm a lot like you
I need someone to love me
the whole day through
Ah, one look in my eyes
and you can tell that's true.

Lullabies, look in your eyes,
Run around the same old town.
Doesn't mean that much to me
To mean that much to you.

I've been first and last
Look at how the time goes past.
But I'm all alone at last.
Rolling home to you.

Old man take a look at my life
I'm a lot like you
I need someone to love me
the whole day through
Ah, one look in my eyes
and you can tell that's true.

Old man look at my life,
I'm a lot like you were.
Old man look at my life,
I'm a lot like you were.

[graph]

Geee, you're right, rap is ALL about deep, thought-provoking lyrics that really speak to the soul . . :rolleyes:

I couldn't care less what you're listening to, but please, just please, don't try and proclaim that rap's some higher form of music sent from the gods, full of life messages found only in the Bible.

Thinking of creative ways to describe getting high or bustin' a cap isn't deep. I'm sure there are talented writers out there, but in almost any other genre, the lyrics surpass that of most of the rap industry. Plain and simple.

Rap is good for pumping up some sweaty night club, and not much else. If you can prove me wrong, post some DEEP lyrics and we'll have a look.

I'm looking to learn. ~

Rap and hip hop. Like apples and oranges.

See, what I listen to would suck to hear at night clubs. Instead of an easy, dancy beat, it uses instruments that would be a mix of jazz and electronica. No skeet skeet skeet skeet.

I'm assuming you've never heard of aesop rock. To me, they're more emo than underground, but to each his own. Still, they both use the word epitaph in a song, and use it correctly, which is more than I can say about FITTIE.

Now I know I bring this up all the time, but I'm really into adeem and the group he spearheads called Glue. Throughout his entire career, I don't think he has ever cursed or used slang. Still, he makes a lot of sense. To me, that is the embodiment of underground. I would type out a bunch of lyrics, but I don't think it would make as much sense as if you were to hear it. Alright, here's a small part. The song is called Goodbye, these are the first lyrics from the first song and their first cd:

And it's so hard to get away when you're straying miles from your front lawn
Crawling in your notebook and pretending your needs are all gone
Lasting longer than a second when I start wondering where I begin
Driving halfway across the country and writing this down on a napkin
Well I'm trapped in a moving cage and wonder about being precocious
Predicting my future in the late night hours focused
Making analogies every second, hell-bent on finding me breathing
Now it all makes sense on why fall has become my favorite season
Reguardless of better days it pays to work on details
Deleting old e-mails and re-evaluating my trail

Man, that's about the first half of the first part, and I am just waaay to lazy to type out the rest. It gets better after that, for the most part. If it interests you check it out, if not that's cool too.

[K_Shootz_Den]

Geee, you're right, rap is ALL about deep, thought-provoking lyrics that really speak to the soul . . :rolleyes:

I couldn't care less what you're listening to, but please, just please, don't try and proclaim that rap's some higher form of music sent from the gods, full of life messages found only in the Bible.

Thinking of creative ways to describe getting high or bustin' a cap isn't deep. I'm sure there are talented writers out there, but in almost any other genre, the lyrics surpass that of most of the rap industry. Plain and simple.

Rap is good for pumping up some sweaty night club, and not much else. If you can prove me wrong, post some DEEP lyrics and we'll have a look.

I'm looking to learn. ~ok, first off, i never claimed that rap is a highe form of music, i was simply trying to convince people that mainstream rap is horrible and that it leads to most people thinking all rap is horrible, so i was simply stating that there is rap out there that really is great, i never once said that rap is better, i never once claimed rap has the best lyricists, i simply defended the people who although are rappers, have some pretty amazing stuff, i dont get why you cant just try to be open minded instead of being so sarcastic and witty

[K_Shootz_Den]

[Aesop Rock]
I start my city with a brick (one brick)
Then add another brick (two bricks)
Brick by brick, I manufacture homes for fallen angels
I ain't no great Samaritan, that's just the way the game goes
Respect the polars but acknowlege middle-value rainbows
My snout turned up from dream factory eyelids
Slingin bottled prosperity for the kamikaze colonels
Yeah rocks the match that burned the Nazi journals
And plottin verticals amidst blatantlly horizontal
Models then swallowed by famished potholes
And I'm tired
Tied up on these functions
Killer cottoncandy clouds and huckleberry justice league
Another knuckle-dragger dungeon breed
Run, breathe, sit, bellow
Wild Aes scream through your style to hear the echo
Aight then, flinch for the great granddaddy payback
When Little Billy bought a Tugboat
Now he thinks he's Captain Ahab
Facist takes more than pegleg's birds and eyepatches
Learn that lesson, you'll be swashbuckling with the best of them
Wonder why you wept over spilled milk
And got your crayons wet, the room reaks of a thousand bayonettes
I'll fision vision with a lie longer than your most walked meridian
Connecting life with that little species of idiots
We've now officially scraped barrel bottom
Aesop Rock an Apple to the core but ya'll ignored him
I know a planet made of porcelain
And once I get tired of holding this gavel up
Ya'll prayer circles met him up born again
I ain't too good for tap water
Play "Taps" out of order
For a ballad, corpse a dead man walkin
You can lead a man to a city but that don't assure civility
You can beat a man to death with Aesop Rock bootleg cd's
(That's more fun anyway)
Some cats Float, some cats don't
I speak in Farenheit and burn off colon lyric
Diss blatant harassment, spit honor, whistle fearless
Don't dismiss the billygoat appearance for that common sheep

Chorus*Aesop overlapping Illogic, fading in and out of each other*
[Aesop Rock]
Platforms have been erected
Effigies built
Slogans coined, songs have been written
Rumors have been circulated
Autographs faked
The hourglass smashed and didn't leave me an escape
Moving boxes have been worn out
Mantlepieces dusted
Idols idolized, the sands have been shifted
Curtains have been closed
Sleepers all waked
The hourglass smashed and didn't leave me an escape

[Illogic] *overlapping Aesop, fading in and out*
Now with my trusty paperclip
I picked locks of thoughts vault
Finding the garden barren
The harvest fruitless
Only the Tree of Life flourishing
Wanting to take a bite but I'm toothless
Is that, predestination or is it by design?
That I'm trapped in time sand
Show radio mission control but for my rhymes
Man cuz I can like aluminum
And I recycle my consciousness
This is just a note
For any action or lack thereof there's a consequence

[Illogic]
Wingless angels
Stroll a top shapeless cottonballs
With halos in your syringe
Celestial ground is found broken
Exposing a bottomless depth
Where heartless spines awake to devour
The small piece of your soul that's left
You're immersed in sound floating
Aimless destination
Drop anchor to gain stability
Stare out potions, restrain fertility
Pedestal talk is a token
Soaked in pockets where lives topics lack conceptual, ridicule
The night breathes but light's choking
Darkness occupies the throne
Where poems are persecuted
The purity at times dilluted
Rhymes are executed
For genre I'm told when has-beens attempt
To cause heat to rise and wonder why they're trapped in cold
Life's an oragmi box and I'm hidden within the fold
So when the yarn unravels, I won't be caught by surprise
And as society's fabric of orthodoxes dismantle
I'll see you embracing the pentagram within this crucifix disguise
See when the canvas stands before me
I'm compelled to spill a vision
For the sinners that listen, I got three spikes and a thorned crown
It seems I need a new soul cuz mine is worn down
But from the pregance of my hardship was born style
Still my pen bleeds and stains the paper with thought
Finding me lost among statues of mainstream idols
Drowning in melted ice to reinforce that breath is vital
If your father and his father were fish out of water
You must break the cycle
How many times must a plant be uprooted for it to die?
When it's smothered with lies that abolish the potency of the sky
So when the stars burn out and God replaces the bulbs
With a million watts
And throws the switch, sparks filament
Hurting new giants and flocks
I stand on my own two aura illuminated in red
Showcasing the agony held within this welded spirit
Sacrificing itself for the health of a masocistic culture
Yearning for the truth that we speak but refuse to hear it

Chorus

[Its a Plant]

i guess what i consider good songwriting and what you do is a little different. its all good differing opinions make the world go round my brother:rasta:
Let's just leave it at this: suhl speaks the truth. I'll take Neil Young any day thanks, where 'less is more' if you know what I mean. Speaking abstractly about God knows what with little-to-no rhyme pattern isn't what I'd call hip-hop, more like poetry? That was a nice poem you posted. Poem.

And I am being open mined about it. That's why I said "I'm willing to learn". You're the one that took it as sarcasm, not me.

One love. ~

[DannyMan]

Immortal Technique, disintegrates mic's when I spit
I cause more casualties than sunken slave ships
Full to capacity, I bring tragedy to rap without my man Kadafi
The government took Nazi scientists from Germany
To design nuclear rockets and ways of observin' me
'Cause their pathetic attempts, didn't work to murder me
When this country was conceived, these bastards never heard of me
But now I hold the souls of slave masters eternally
Bleeding internally, burnin' D, durin' surgery, verbally
'Cause I'm a spiritual witch
Devils are incompatible
I've been around since the planet was inhabitable
I spit in the ocean and created microscopic animals
Which involved into two species, the righteous and the cannibals
But until then, I had alien women suck me off
When God said "Let there be light", I turned it the fuck off
And that's the reason that the earth is only 5 billion years old
I made the sun shine, and permitted time to unfold
The surface was lava, but when I stepped down, it became cold
Fuck what you've been told
My spiritual form became a swarm of molecule sickness
Manifested liquid trapped inside a mountainous region
Until the skies starting raining, continuous seasons
Immortal Technique, at long last, reincarnated
Undebatably reinstated to leave you decapitated
Je suis fou, but my crazy words make sense
I'll split every pound of your body into six pence
I'm sick of simple similes about The Sixth Sense
I'll leave your body drenched in the blood of all your ancestors
You'll never be at peace, like the souls of child molestors
I'll cut you and bless your festering wounds with alcohol
Drown you in a clogged toilet, in a public bathroom stall
I'll rip you down, take a chunk of you home like the Berlin Wall
This is the final call, for all the rappers that wanna brawl
Immortal Technique, the wrong motherfucker to diss
'Cause I allow God to let you motherfuckers exist

Hahahahaha yeah, real oh
We about to crash somethin' now, yo
Yo, yo, yo
I'm the stronghold on your neck that doesn't let you breathe
Stronger than the fake image of God in which you believe
More dangerous than your ignorant ass could ever percieve
A European virus, mutated in Africa, overseas
Transported by mosquitoes and fleas to where you live
So lock yourself in your house with your wife and your kids
You're such a bitch, somebody probably made you out of a rib
My arrest record just scratches the surface of what I did
My bid locked me up and brought my life to an end
I was forgotten, abandoned by my bitches and friends
You don't want beef with people like me so don't pretend
I'll resurrect your aborted baby and kill it again
You get no props in hip-hop like feminine men
I'm iller than any plague God gave Moses to send
You wanna make amends, 'cause I'm the reason that the earth shakes
Burying your fam like Central American earthquakes

Immortal Technique
Harlem to Canada
Lyrically damage ya!

[K_Shootz_Den]

Let's just leave it at this: suhl speaks the truth. I'll take Neil Young any day thanks, where 'less is more' if you know what I mean. Speaking abstractly about God knows what with little-to-no rhyme pattern isn't what I'd call hip-hop, more like poetry? That was a nice poem you posted. Poem.

And I am being open mined about it. That's why I said "I'm willing to learn". You're the one that took it as sarcasm, not me.

One love. ~
see, why isnt it hip hop? just cause its poetic now its all of a sudden no longer hip hop? thats what im trying to tell you, that rap isnt just plain rap, rap can be so much more, but you seem to not want to accept that, yeah ok you like neil young, great, im not gonna say anything about him, you like him, great, so why did you choose to post in this thread then, i was simply discussing how horrible mainstream rap has become, and then you come in here saying, "other genres have better lyricits" well good, no one said only rap has good lyricists, in a way your making it seem as though rap has NO good lyricists, which is my reason for posting what i did, there are some, it just depends on your opinion of good, you say its good poetry, but the simple fact of the matter is that Aesop Rock and Illogic are both, rappers, not poets, rappers, they rap, and the song, not poem, is a rap song, and if you are willing to learn, like you said then why not act like it? sems like you just said that so you could later claim to have an open mind, anyone can say theyre open minded, my little cousin could say it, but that doesnt mean you are being open minded, but its ok, you can continue to listen to your neil young, and ill listen to my music, just wondering why you even posted in here if all you could contribute is "rap has no lyricists" and then once i post one, you automatically say its crap, whatever its cool at least you didnt swear and bitch like some kids and were mature about it, just wish you were more open minded o well

[EbelEyes]

i just saw a commercial for some new song called "chain hang low". wtf man... I don't give a damn about your bling. i just hate that apparently some people do.

That is one of the worst songs I have ever heard.

Mainstream hip hop is terrible.

[suhl]

see, why isnt it hip hop? just cause its poetic now its all of a sudden no longer hip hop? thats what im trying to tell you, that rap isnt just plain rap, rap can be so much more, but you seem to not want to accept that, yeah ok you like neil young, great, im not gonna say anything about him, you like him, great, so why did you choose to post in this thread then, i was simply discussing how horrible mainstream rap has become, and then you come in here saying, "other genres have better lyricits" well good, no one said only rap has good lyricists, in a way your making it seem as though rap has NO good lyricists, which is my reason for posting what i did, there are some, it just depends on your opinion of good, you say its good poetry, but the simple fact of the matter is that Aesop Rock and Illogic are both, rappers, not poets, rappers, they rap, and the song, not poem, is a rap song, and if you are willing to learn, like you said then why not act like it? sems like you just said that so you could later claim to have an open mind, anyone can say theyre open minded, my little cousin could say it, but that doesnt mean you are being open minded, but its ok, you can continue to listen to your neil young, and ill listen to my music, just wondering why you even posted in here if all you could contribute is "rap has no lyricists" and then once i post one, you automatically say its crap, whatever its cool at least you didnt swear and bitch like some kids and were mature about it, just wish you were more open minded o well

i really have no idea if any of that was directed at me or not but i actually took the time to look at his lyrics and didnt find them to be good. i posted here because in my opinion rap doesnt have any lyricists and the post asked your opinion on the current state of hip hop. i iwish you could be a little more open minded and not accuse people of being closed minded when they dont agree with you. thank you:pimp:

[yabatab]

The current state of hip hop

Hmmmmm I am going to have to say Iowa:D

[KcFo20]

I read the 1st page of this thread and had enough...

Theres nothing wrong with hip hop, or rap. There is something wrong with the fans. They keep buying into the same shit, so the record companies keep puttin out the same shit. Someone else said basically the same thing before me.

Rap / Hip Hop will never "come to a halt". Its here to stay. Some of the fans, will move on to something different, cause thats what people that dont really love something to begin with do.

Quit your cryin' and bitchin' and listen to what you like to listen to. If rap and hip hop isnt your thing, then go listen to something else. Real hip hop / rap fans will never quit listening to this stuff.

Hip Hop was about partyin and girls and chains and shit back then too. Not always some socially conscious lyrical shit. Its music. It changes, and some things stay the same.

QUIT REACHIN'.

[al bo0 bo0]

Best rapper n da game is The Jacka,hes an underground bay area artist (who dnt get hyphy!) and when i dnt like 2 throw the word artist around all willy nilly,but dude really makes quality music,and he just singed a distrabution deal wit universal,he got a myspace,check him out

[Matt the Funk]

It's all about the underground baby ;)

[MastaChronic]

a lot of people here have been spouting off names of some pretty big underground phenomenas but your all neglecting the kings, the guys who made it to the pinnacle of underground rap with sheer willpower alone: i.......c.......muthafuckin.....p. no record company made them big, nobody made them big other than themselves and thats a fact. they got original beats in almost all of their songs, not some recycled generic bullshit you hear on the radio. youve also neglected esham, twistid, abk and blaze ya dead homie. whats wrong with you people?

[Matt the Funk]

Oh and even though Atmosphere isn't really underground anymore at all, Sean Daley and Ant are the DOPEST.

[suhl]

calling icp the kings of rap is like calling weird al the king of rock, except dumber

[MacWQ33]

I think it's definitely getting better especially with like everyone dropping this 4th quarter. We got Jay, Snoop, Game, Method Man, Lloyd Banks, Luda all coming out within the last few months...which is definitely a good thing....maybe finally taking the eyes off that shitty southern "music".

Then after all said and done, we got (in my eyes)...the most anticipated return/album of the year coming out in a little over a week......NAS....dropping his tenatively titled album...."Hip Hop Is Dead"...and now with Eminem coming back possibly next year (and DRE's album), hip hop is being 'brought back to life'.

And if you think the 'underground' rules all...you just gotta realize although some underground rappers are good, obviously they can't even be compared with most of these guys who have already made it. Actually I think most of these guys suck anyway, but people just like them, because they haven't 'sold out' or what not. With the exception of a FEW, the rest all suck balls at rapping and/or making songs.

[K_Shootz_Den]

I think it's definitely getting better especially with like everyone dropping this 4th quarter. We got Jay, Snoop, Game, Method Man, Lloyd Banks, Luda all coming out within the last few months...which is definitely a good thing....maybe finally taking the eyes off that shitty southern "music".

Then after all said and done, we got (in my eyes)...the most anticipated return/album of the year coming out in a little over a week......NAS....dropping his tenatively titled album...."Hip Hop Is Dead"...and now with Eminem coming back possibly next year (and DRE's album), hip hop is being 'brought back to life'.

And if you think the 'underground' rules all...you just gotta realize although some underground rappers are good, obviously they can't even be compared with most of these guys who have already made it. Actually I think most of these guys suck anyway, but people just like them, because they haven't 'sold out' or what not. With the exception of a FEW, the rest all suck balls at rapping and/or making songs.
I wholeheartedly disagree, people don't just listen to underground rap because the artists have yet to "sell out". People listen to underground because it is so broad and diverse and so in a way, you choose your own music, as opposed to having to listen the set few mainstream songs that have been determined as "Good Music". Although we are all speaking of a common genre when we say hip-hop or rap, we all have a taste within that genre, and mainstream will usually not have that, and so you go to underground rap and find artists that APPEAL to that taste. The "popular" sub-genres are always changing, and at the moment I believe is the worst most unintelligent sub-genre. I blame this on lil jon and the eastside faggots

[MacWQ33]

Yeah I agree, I hate that Lil Jon and all that southern shit too ...trust me lol. I am talking about the current state of 'known' hip-hop...not necessary mainstream or popular. (Nas is known...but he doesn't have the biggest 'hits' in the world, although he's one of the best all time.)

Some underground is good obviously, but I am more of a 'known' hip-hop guy. I don't know how else to say it....it's like College BBall vs. NBA...I happen to like the NBA...lol.

[MastaChronic]

calling icp the kings of rap is like calling weird al the king of rock, except dumber

im not calling them the kings of rap, im calling them the kings of the underground rap. and yes, they are underground. they recieve no mtv airtime at all, except for one time and they fought tooth and nail to get it there during primetime and then mtv moved it to super late night. hardly any stores sell their cd's and when was the last time you heard any of their concerts advertised on any channel? you have to dig through the internet to find their concerts.

[suhl]

i dont really care if they are underground or not they are a joke and i have not met one person who owned one of their cds who wasnt a complete tool. i havent met you so i am not calling you one, not breaking the forum rules

[MastaChronic]

please define "tool"
do you mean someone that buys all of their shirts and hats and pants and underwear and posters and sunglasses and chains and such?
if thats what you mean then im no tool, i have one twiztid shirt and thats it.

[budsmoker only]

you all need 2 listen 2 bone thugs n harmony

100% agree with this, they are real, very talented and just great to listen to, and there is still good hip hop around.. all your talkin about is the shit thats on mtv day after day, the shit that your hearin is because stupid motherfuckers listen to that shit and it sells so they go for it.. 50 cent has some talent, you guys are just pissed that he went so huge.. and also, check out the new bone thugs album coming soon.. its gonna be the shit..

[Meenstreek]

Look out for the CHef

Only BUilt for Cuban Linx II executive produced by Dr. Dre and RZA

HIP HOp LIVES!!!, barely...

[CYRAX]

Rap is going mainstream, meaning if your lyrics are hot, they don't give a fuck, they just want it to sound catchy and good.

Flow has alot to do with it when it comes to making it in the mainstream, you need your voice to sound smooth and professional.

[OniEhtRedrum781]

Just downloaded this song today and its FIRE!

4 Kings by Young Buck feat. TI, Young Jeezy and Pimp C...


Download it now...

[BabyFacedAbortion]

Said it before, I'll say it again..


Atmosphere/Aesop rock.

My life is based around them sometimes.

[Matt the Funk]

Said it before, I'll say it again..


Atmosphere/Aesop rock.

My life is based around them sometimes.

I'd say atmosphere is better and eyedea is better then aesop.........

[mrboom]

i classify mainstream hip hop as pop now. recently ive been listenin to Asheru. he did the theme for Boondocks

[DannyMan]

I'd say atmosphere is better and eyedea is better then aesop.........

well eyedea and aesop have very different styles, but i respect your opinion.
i think aesop is genuisly insane and writes some of the deepest/complex/metaphorical lyrics out there...hands down.

eyedea's freestyles are just too ill though

[MacWQ33]

Look out for the CHef

Only BUilt for Cuban Linx II executive produced by Dr. Dre and RZA

HIP HOp LIVES!!!, barely...

This should be a pretty good record (Dre & RZA, enough said).....and is a great example of 'not quite mainstream' but 'not quite underground' as well....which I think is the best kind.

[suhl]

please define "tool"
do you mean someone that buys all of their shirts and hats and pants and underwear and posters and sunglasses and chains and such?
if thats what you mean then im no tool, i have one twiztid shirt and thats it.

i just mean they were generally douchebags. one beat off at a party after having a beer, in front of everyone, and came into the fire then blamed it on being drunk. then later he got feeling on this girls tits while she was sleeping. the other was a rich kid who decided to buy about 10000 dollars worth of dj equipment then grew bored with it about 3 months later. also it wasnt like these things were isolated incidents or just bad things happening to good peopole both are thier personalities in a nutshell. i guess that isnt a legitimate reason for hating the band, but their music is. both grew bored with icp once they got older, im normally not the person to say this but they are an incredibly immature band and im sure that in a few years you wont like them either. they are gimmick

[BigHyphyD]

I really get down with Murs.

His lyrics are about real shit, but it's not about everday shit that has already been rapped about.

Sometimes I listen to his lyrics, and I will related to his lyrics and I'll be like " Damn I thought I was the only person who thought like that"

But I thin Talib Kweli said it best about the current state of hip-hop.

It's Dead.

Too Late - Talib Kweli and Hi Tek

"Yo, when the bass thump, the place jump
Like it's way crunk, yeah,
Fake punks get they face lumped
Sent to the most high, by the most fit
You gotta do, fuck that almost shit
The fam is close knit
You diggin', know the clock don't stop tickin'
Glocks still spittin', the whole block politickin'
Lik epresidents with they minds dead on arrival
Leaving no evidence of a struggle for survival
Songs relevant to the times like the psalms read in the Bible
Stepping to this leaves thoughts in your head 'it's suicidal'
It's the T to the A-L-I-B the deep rooter
Rolling with my wanna battle cats who chief buddha
And see through the overspecialized, underpressurized
No lie texturized, emcees who got the masses mesmerized
with empty rhetoric, they better quit
Niggas so hollow that they echo like sentiments

Nowadays rap artists coming half-hearted
Commercial like pop, or underground like black markets
Where were you the day hip-hop died?
Is it too early to mourn? Is it too late to ride? (6x)

Kwa is chillin', Tone is chillin'
What more can I say, we stay building
And make killings
Take children through the wilderness, by the hand
It's a great feeling, show 'em how to be a man
Exactly, pack trees in my khakis
My sound fat like a Neve while you thin like a Mackey
C'mon, shine so bright when I walk by
You got ta squint like the motherfucking sun in your eye
What! Say somethin, you stay frontin
It ain't nothing, let off like I'm big game hunting
Me and Tek stay way blunted
Wave running on beaches with white sand
With a slight tan
Smack the mic stand with my right hand
When I'm excited
Leave you so far in the dust that you forced to bite it
On fire like property lost to riots
Yo, ain't no stopping us when we all united ""

[suhl]

anyone got the new project pat cd?

[MastaChronic]

i just mean they were generally douchebags. one beat off at a party after having a beer, in front of everyone, and came into the fire then blamed it on being drunk. then later he got feeling on this girls tits while she was sleeping. the other was a rich kid who decided to buy about 10000 dollars worth of dj equipment then grew bored with it about 3 months later. also it wasnt like these things were isolated incidents or just bad things happening to good peopole both are thier personalities in a nutshell. i guess that isnt a legitimate reason for hating the band, but their music is. both grew bored with icp once they got older, im normally not the person to say this but they are an incredibly immature band and im sure that in a few years you wont like them either. they are gimmick

beating off in front of everyone? roflolcopter. if i was drunk id bang a chick in front of everyone but not beat off. and it would have to be mor ethan just one beer, maybe a couple 40s.
as for not being down, ive been down since i was 5, their music has always been a part of my life and i'll be down with the clown til im dead in the ground.

[getcrunk]

rap has gone the usual cycle that all popular music goes through. a new genre starts out and its the shit. then money gets its grip on things and generic talentless people come to the fore front. people then get tired of it and move on. for example.....

80's
van halen, quiet riot, ac/dc>>>>>>>>poison, cinderella, whitesnake etc.

90's
nirvana, pearl jam, alice in chains>>>>>>>nickelback, and a bunch of other generic popish grunge bands that i forgot about because they suck etc.

2000's
run dmc, public enemy, nwa>>>>>>>>>>>>mike jones, 50 cent, Big Joe etc.

footnote: rap was never really all that good but i will admit it has gotten much worse

[Matt the Funk]

i classify mainstream hip hop as pop now. recently ive been listenin to Asheru. he did the theme for Boondocks

Yeah man Asheru is dope I can't find any full albums though.....

[Meenstreek]

Who's copping Hip Hop is Dead (Nas) tomorrow? I will along with More Fish (GFK)!!!

[RIP ODB]

Who's copping Hip Hop is Dead (Nas) tomorrow? I will along with More Fish (GFK)!!!

There are a few good hip hop albums that came out this year.

Fishscale by Ghostface
Rotten Apple by Lloyd Banks (not bad)
Hell Hath No Fury by Clipse

and I hear The big Bang by Busta Rhymes is good although I have only heard a couple tracks. I'm gonna grab the new Nas CD tomorrow even though I don't like the single.

Meenstreek, don't buy More Fish. I have it and it sucks. Save your money and buy an old CD. Let me know if you need reccomendations.

[Meenstreek]

There are a few good hip hop albums that came out this year.

Fishscale by Ghostface
Rotten Apple by Lloyd Banks (not bad)
Hell Hath No Fury by Clipse

and I hear The big Bang by Busta Rhymes is good although I have only heard a couple tracks. I'm gonna grab the new Nas CD tomorrow even though I don't like the single.

Meenstreek, don't buy More Fish. I have it and it sucks. Save your money and buy an old CD. Let me know if you need reccomendations.

Big Bang is a one of Busta's best offerings and my anthem for last summer was track # 12 - They're out to get me. It deals with friends who feel that once your successful, you've changed.

I heard More Fish wasn't as good as Fishscale, but I have to support the Wu.

Great name by the way RIP ODB. I got to see him live at the Congress theater here in Chicago with the whole Clan. It remains one my fondest memories in high school. My crew and I had 2 oz. of weed and we smoked it all in the pit while the Wu performed. White owl Blunt after Philly blunt after Dutch master blunt. ahhh the memories.

[RIP ODB]

Big Bang is a one of Busta's best offerings and my anthem for last summer was track # 12 - They're out to get me. It deals with friends who feel that once your successful, you've changed.

I heard More Fish wasn't as good as Fishscale, but I have to support the Wu.

Great name by the way RIP ODB. I got to see him live at the Congress theater here in Chicago with the whole Clan. It remains one my fondest memories in high school. My crew and I had 2 oz. of weed and we smoked it all in the pit while the Wu performed. White owl Blunt after Philly blunt after Dutch master blunt. ahhh the memories.

All right man go get More Fish, just don't say I didn't warn you. I was thinkin the same shit (support the Wu), but Ghost let me down. Production is garbage and the other dudes in Theodore unit kinda suck.

What other CD's did you buy this year and what do you think of them? I can't even fuckin remember what else I copped,... oh yeah TI, AZ (The Format is dope!), and a bunch of old albums that were missing from my collection.

[Meenstreek]

Other CDs I copped this year

M-1: Confidential
Jedi Mind Tricks: Servants in Heaven, Kings In Hell
Hi-Tek: Hi-Teknology 2 The Chip
Mitchy Slick: Urban Survival Syndrome
Method Man: 4:21 The Day After
RhymeFest: Blue Collar
The Roots: Game Theory
OC: Smoke and Mirrors
Agallah: You Already Know

Wow, I'm surprised I named that many. There a bunch of others as well,I'm just at work and I'm trying to go off the top of the dome. I too copped a lot of old cd's that were stolen from me a while back. I've been meaning to cop that new AZ the Format. Is it better than AW.O.L. That was a sleeper for sure.