What Will It Take To Legalize?

[Euphoric]

ok, i am just brainstorming here. any suggestions would be nice, too. the whole point is working together, anyway.

1. media overthrow - billboards, saturation of truth-filled marijuana effects on televison rather than the whole "drugs are bad mk?" theologies.

this would take massive funding. the only thing we as tiny commonfolk can do is to donate parts of our meager earnings towards companies that will help, such as NORML. Any other worthy donation sites?

2. Support from schools and churches - they helped jump start this senseless prohibition. we need them to help stop it. Critcal, key players needed to stand up for this one. I have no idea how we could help this. Any suggestions?

3. Vote Greeny - sign petitions and cast your vote for ballots that support the end of prohibition! Like Torog, don't vote AGAINST progress! Anybody have websites for resources on this?

4. Buy Hemp/Marijuana Products - Today's world is controlled by money. Thats all they care about! So spend your money renting Half Baked, hemp bracelets and the myriad of other hemp products. Even though hemp isnt even psychoactive, it's a step. Hemp saves our forests from being cut down to wipe our asses with ;)


any other ideas guys/gals? Any web resources (links) would also be helpful. We all count, and we all can make a difference. Everyone is connected! Lets stand up for our rights :D

[GHoSToKeR]

1. media overthrow - billboards, saturation of truth-filled marijuana effects on televison rather than the whole "drugs are bad mk?" theologies.
Like you said, this would take money and resources. I mean, flyers would work.. and you could make them at home. I mean, if I was to print 10,000 flyers (it would take alot of paper and ink, though lol) that would be one flyer for every nine people on this island.. its better than nothing lol As for television, radio, and stuff, i dunno, that would be hard to organize and convince people to let you do. Also, fundin organizations tryin to legalize it wont work. it just wont


2. Support from schools and churches - they helped jump start this senseless prohibition. we need them to help stop it. Critcal, key players needed to stand up for this one.
Schools and churches will NEVER change, at leats not in our lifetime. Even if/when its legalized, it will be frowned upon by both the church and schools (and probably the rest of society for a wheile too)


3. Vote Greeny - sign petitions and cast your vote for ballots that support the end of prohibition!
Hmmm, it sounds good, but when has it ever worked?


4. Buy Hemp/Marijuana Products
Hmm, fair enough, but I dont think that would help convince the government to legalize weed.

The only thing ican think of, is to change the mindset of society. Convince EVERYONE that weed isnt bad, mkay? show people that stoners function in society just as well as everyone else. that kind of thing. if societys view of weed changes, so will the governemts, because they just want votes :D

[Phresh as it Gets]

yeah, i hate Torog too

[The C]

I think pot use is growing, though we may not full realise it, but look at our highgschools today. As long as there are "typically sucessfull" or even happy peopel "making it" peopel who are younger won't gorw up seeing it as sucha bad thing, as long as we have role models when were young, and become them when we age, we can contintue, as a whole to influce many people. If everyone of us helped 3 people become understanding and un-prejudice eveyryear. Not all of us will, some not even one in 10 years, btu if we all suporrted that figure, i think it is safe to say that evenutally pot will become legal, ambe not int this lifetime, but sometime.

And who knows mabe even in this lifetime.

Cesar

[Imotep]

we have the highest rates of drink driving and gambling weve ever had.
when was it people were going to grow up? :confused:

[buddha]

Some good ideas hemp activism i think would actually help marijauna legalization because people relate the two together because they are basically the same thing hemp is just not allowed to grow fully and is very low in THC. If hemp starts being used as it should be to save money and make cheaper products for the same quality people will begin to see its not so bad. Schools will never change. Petitions have been going on for decades im not sure the impact of them. I think the best way to legalize it would be to use the truth, destroy the lies more than half the united states is still under. The influence of reefer madness hasnt stopped since the first one started in the 1960's. People still believe that marijuana kills brain cells that is the biggest reason most people i know think it is so bad. It has been proven to kill none. Alcohol is one of the most addicting drugs around but is legal people dont know this people think marijuana is much more harmful then alcohol just because they ahve been lied to. All i do is when the chance comes up i tell people the truth about cannabis and do the best i can to make them believe they ahve been lied to. But i tell them both sides if you use cannabis before you become a full grown adult it can cause A-motivational syndrome and thats about the worst. Just let people know theyve been lied to and clear up the lies big brother started nearly 50 years ago.

[EminEM1]

what the fuck are you talking about. This is the legalize weed section.

[Imotep]

what the fuck are you talking about. This is the legalize weed section.

comparing alcohol as a freely available substance to pot, a controlled substance and their associated costs to the taxpayer, community and individual, is a good way of making the anti-pot leauge look a little silly. ;)

[Euphoric]

hehe yeah eminem that post made me laugh for about two weeks!:) best laugh ever. your great.
LEGALIZE IT TODAY!

[doctor G]

OK let's clear up a few misconceptions. You want to leagalize canabis? Me too. This country was FOUNDED with hemp/cannabis. You could pay your taxes to Washington in hemp until 1860. The American Medical Assocasion (AMA) testified AGAINST the original legislation in 1937. Yes that's when the lies started. How did the lies start? It is a long story. Look for "A Brief History of Politics of Cannabis" in this space in the near future. The truth is a sortid tale of greed and lies. The real hope is to make people realize just how much it COSTS to persecute and imprision people for the use of an herb with a thousand year history of doing good for people. One More: some botanists feel the first plant to have been domesticated was.....wait for it......CANNABIS!!!!!
doctor g

[bongo]

Eventually as more kids smoke they will be fine with it as adults so some day....

Make a comercial and put it on your local news stations

[Euphoric]

good idea..

[Lester Burnham]

It was on the ballot here in AK. but sadly it failed, i think it was like 42 % yes dont hold me to that im not completly sure but yah. there was lotsa ads on tv and radio year. In fact it was one of the most funded props in Alaska in recent years. Im sure it will come up on the ballot again, hopefully some time it will be complelty legal. whats strange tho is a even more ambitous pot proposition a few years back got more votes than this one did. Not that the issue is going the other direction but theres still alot of people is support of it. IM almost certian it will come up again soon.....

[Euphoric]

im thinking we'll have more success next time the elections swing around. whats that like 2 years away? im not familiar with how long mayors and governers stay in office :D

[NowhereMan]

well when
GWB's wifey poo gets cancer and needs kemo and gets sick as fuck and is helped by a jiont

it will then get made legal



or a act of some religious icon( god thats your que dude where you be?)
god,hellooooooooooooooooo
jesus
budda
alla?
somebody
nobody



or,
if people GAVE a shit about each other and not just money

[Kombucha]

I'm not sure I want cannabis to be legal, half the fun is knowing that you aren't allowed to do it and you are anyway. If it was legal everyone would do it.

[NowhereMan]

I'm not sure I want cannabis to be legal, half the fun is knowing that you aren't allowed to do it and you are anyway. If it was legal everyone would do it.
you need to read up on what they doing to people who really need to smoke
and those who grow what YOU smoke probubly

visit a few sites like
http://www.mpp.org/

[Kombucha]

Dammit I'm not going to read that whole site... what's your point?

[Euphoric]

yea but if it was legal...youd never have to be paranoid in public again...plus, think of all the hundreds of new flavors of cannabis they'd put out! legalize that shit! :cool:

[Purge]

itd have its pros and cons..itd be harder for kids underage to get pot..which sucks for many high school kids. im not sure if itd be cheaper or more expensive, itd have a tax on it for sure, i think if it was legal id just start a really big growing operation cuz itd be legal ya know, i think itll be legalized eventually, every1 just has to be careful and not let the government get to much of the benefits, i dont like seein taxes go to them every time a smoke a joint ya know.

purge`

[Kombucha]

It would be cheaper, it's not really worth much, it's just a plant, the only reason it costs a lot is the rip off dealers and the fact that its risky to smuggle about.

[hempheadjack]

yea but if it was legal...youd never have to be paranoid in public again...plus, think of all the hundreds of new flavors of cannabis they'd put out! legalize that shit! :cool:actually,,in public we can not smoke,,we have to be 1500 ft from puplic view and still probs can arise,,we cant smoke in a car,at the mall,,just away from public view,,cuz cops can still fuck with me,,like the time i lit up infront of a cop,,he was giving my son a ticket,,but i had to go 1500 ft from him and smoke,,he did keep his hands on his weapon the whole time i went away and smoked watching me smoke pot,,he didnt even ask me for my med card and or id,,i had pot in car,,he could of fucked with me,, Jack

[Shadow Smoke]

its all bull shit i'm moveing to canada as soon as i get some cash errr maybe mexico its not as cold there. i dont want to be tossed in jail for something as fuggn stupid as smokeing that big green tree we know and love. i mean if i planted my front yard with cannabis could i say that they just came up wild? i do live in a pretty rugged area. hell i;m sure there is a few pot plants around here some where.

i would be some kind of pissed if i got put in jail because some fucking pig sfound a feild of weed, "well its onyour land!" its a wild god damn plant! "ass craft" and all the other fuggers just wanna keep their job for a while longer, not like they couldnt get a job whrere they sit at home smokeing all the damn weed they STOLE from hard working AMERICANS!

[hempheadjack]

its all bull shit i'm moveing to canada as soon as i get some cash errr maybe mexico its not as cold there. i dont want to be tossed in jail for something as fuggn stupid as smokeing that big green tree we know and love. i mean if i planted my front yard with cannabis could i say that they just came up wild? i do live in a pretty rugged area. hell i;m sure there is a few pot plants around here some where.

i would be some kind of pissed if i got put in jail because some fucking pig sfound a feild of weed, "well its onyour land!" its a wild god damn plant! "ass craft" and all the other fuggers just wanna keep their job for a while longer, not like they couldnt get a job whrere they sit at home smokeing all the damn weed they STOLE from hard working AMERICANS!im sure i have a few here somewhere around here as well that are wild besides my legal plants at home,,i just found these growing wild,,cant help it if i helped em,,,,,,, look hard,,,,,,,,Jack

[Euphoric]

legalize :)

[grinzobenny]

Well here is my thought to legalize pot and solve the problem with it and give the govt theirs. The set up is, you make it legal to grow in your home, however it is illegal to sell to anyone at any time. You don't open up cafes and shops to sell pot because you would still have drug dealers selling for cheaper and which in turn leads to crime(not talking about buying sacks off our mates, im talking about large quantities being moved their is always crime associated) Anyway you have to pay an annual fee to grow, that goes to the govt so they get their money and profit off legalizing it, you cancel out the drug dealer equation. As far as an age discrimination that could be an issue similiar to cigs and alcohol, must be 18 or 21. And its illegal to drive and be stoned like drinking and driving, however need to cover cost for device to be made like breathalizers to accurately gauge someone being intoxicated from pot. You get the seeds to grow when you pay for your annual fee which would be whatever was deemed appropriate, monthly or yearly. The govt would need to setup with some already established seed banks and websites and what not that already distribute seeds, because that would be quite a stretch to have our govt supply the seeds. this is all just a thought so maybe some criticism or playing devils advocate could help. Anyway leave you with this quote"The greatest place you can ever travel to is inside your own brain, and if youve never even tried drugs than your always staying home" - prefferably natural drugs only mushrooms and pot, and peyote if your lucky enough to find it. fuck all chemical and hard drugs, hard to justify any benefit out of coke and E and heroin,etc they are all pure entertainment drugs and body eroders, pot and mushrooms expand your mind and enrich this world!

[Delta9]

It would be necessary to compile factual evidence supporting a case for legalization. I have been reading research papers dating back to the early 1900's and some of the information suggests that the drug laws are based on Christianity. I hate to keep returning a blame on Christians, but, Christian settlers were prohibited from using mind altering substances which Native Americans used in their religious ceremonies, because it was considered by missionaries to be black magic.

See the pharmaceutical industry has been exploiting the South American Healers and any other traditional medicine men for years. Basically what they to with DEA licenses is Interview native medicine men in primitive societies and Identify the plants they use in there ceremonies get samples and analyze the plants to find the active components, and if they can use it they patent it. Which is wrong because it is not theirs to just take and make profit off.

Cocaine and Mescaline are actually not bad drugs. Cocaine is addictive in its purified form, but, U.S scientists are the ones who first Isolated coke so the government should blame themselves.

Basically what they do is find plants extract the active component and classify it as a controlled substance and make it illegal for people to posses the plant. I wish I could sue the DEA, but I would never win.

You just need actual factual evidence. You need to in a sense win in court, you have to be able to convince the lawyers, judges, and exectutives that the drug laws are wrong. But the government has the top and best lawyers working for them so you have beat the best. I tell you right now that some of the drug laws prohibit religious freedom. We need as much evidence for our case as possible.

Cannabis Sativa.

[Kombucha]

One of the problems is that if you are promoting drugs then it is assumed that you use drugs, and will therefore be regarded as untrustworthy and unreliable by a large percentage of people.

Probably the best way of gathering information is to look at the situation in the Netherlands, find out what the negative and positive effects are in the country. There are few reasons to keep weed illegal and it makes sense to legalise it as it will reduce crime levels, but as with a lot of things, logic does not prevail. Governments and conservatives simply think "they're drugs, they must be bad. Because they are drugs."

[NowhereMan]

educating those who have been told wrong about it

RefEr MaDNess:;;;;;;;;booooogey man,

and UNITY in its users

oh yea
VOTES or lack there of,for those legislators who fail to help stop the injustice of the cannabis laws

if you could educate them and unite the users to demand the truth be known

many organizations are trying to let the facts be known

but you every single one of you who want it done must do what ya can to help,even if its only writing your congressmen and senators .

so many dont want it,the big pill pushers like Dupont
its not gonna happen if they get to say so,
and right now they get too

time for a bowl
peace

[Delta9]

The problem I have is that the Government can't tell you how to live your life. Just because there is no medical use or reason that someone should be using THC dosen't mean that FDA has the right to tell people they can't use a substance.

[Delta9]

Tell someone not to smoke marijuana is like telling some fat bitch not to eat six twinkes.

[ermitonto]

What we need to do is convince the Dutch people that world domination is a good idea, then give them the military means to do it.

[GHoSToKeR]

what is the IQ of a piece of toast?

[stonerboy40k]

Heres one plan of action say a few people from each city say 10-20 met up. if they then pooled some money they could aford to buy a full page advert in a local paper.
in this advert they can state pro's and cons of weed. then every one who reads it hears the truth and gets in touch with local goverment. and before you know it you'll be on your front porch with a spliff in your hand.

also at the same time launch a flyer campaign a local radio interview would work too

[NowhereMan]

The problem I have is that the Government can't tell you how to live your life. Just because there is no medical use or reason that someone should be using THC dosen't mean that FDA has the right to tell people they can't use a substance.


http://www.cannabis-med.org/

it has many medical uses

[IR1337]

they really should legalize bud no shit... being a freakin alcholic has worse effects then smoking weed... if there were laws made about not being high and driving and being responsible with it and everything.... i plan to become rich and powerful then i'll start trying to get people to realize that weed isn't that bad for you by comparing it to alchohol (yes i know i can't spell thank you) i was reading an article where they compared alchohol to weed and like the memory effects of drinking a lot are worse then smoking weed

[phillykid420]

I think the first step is to dispel the stoner myth by not being lazy, not being unmotivated and hold ourselves to a higher standard than others. Also be responsible in your usage. Don't go to work high, don't go to school high, don't drive stoned. Become doctors, and lawyers, professors, scientists etc. If there are assholes out there being stupid while smoking and being irresponsible it further propagates the myth that all smokers are that way.

In college there was a girl who was making comments about smoking and how dumb it makes you, she saw me smoking with some of my friends. The next week she found out I was her teacher for the MCAT course. It made her rethink her position.

[Delta9]

The IQ of a piece of toast? It's probably pretty close to mine.

It dosent matter if it has medical uses or not, people should still be able to use it without a doctors prescription. Even if marijuana is legal for medical use it's still illegal for the general public. How many people are really going to need marijuana for the specific medical conditions it is prescribed for? Not many. And Most people don't have time to fuck around going to court when they get caught with a little weed.

[amsterdam]

people with wasting illness's.aid's,cancer etc. etc.help's them eat wich gives their body energy and nutrient's it need's to fight

[Delta9]

Yea I agree there are alot of people with cancer. And were are exposed to carcinogens everyday in the water we drink and the air we breath.

[amsterdam]

while in Holland living with my father's family i saw alot of these people with terrible problems who would save their $ and come to amsterdam for a month to recieve help.they would gain weight,eat healthy,and make alot of headway in their struggle.it made me sad that they had to go home and get sick again.here i was some young guy who was lucky enough to have dutch family to go and live with,i didnt have to pay for a hotel or anything like that and i would just smoke hash all day for fun.they would spend their entire saving's to make a life saving trek!sad,sad,sad!! :(

[Delta9]

Hymm we'll I can't argue with that. So then yes legalization for medical purpose is good, but I should be able to consume cannabis myself even if I have not developed a terminal illness. I don't actually like smoking that much anymore, as stupid as this sounds to a Dutchman I would rather decoct it by simmering it into a nasty thick stew with other drugs and ingredients, because quite smoking cigaretts because there a waste of money and health and when I smoke a joint it makes me wan't to smoke a cigarett afterwards.

[Delta9]

I can't smoke around flammable chemicals in a laboratory anyway.

[Delta9]

The chemical composition of cannabis smoke and the plant material itself is slightly different. The Amount of THC is going to be the same. Plus there will be a synergistic effect when you consume a combination of drugs. For instance eating San Pedro or Peyote will bring about nausia and diureha, however by adding cannabis which aids in nausia relief will help to reduce it as well as increase the intensity of the experience. Not only that by adding nutmeg which has been prescribed in herbal medicine for diureha should act as a thickening agent to relieve the diureha. Plus addition of decent amounts of vinegar, ethanol, and olive oil should aid in the release of the components during long slow cooking.

[Delta9]

Black man Read the Bible.
They learned to make a mockery out of the enemy.

"Thats cool white boy smoke bud, don't go to school"

White kids is in garage stoned. Black Cops arrest white kid. Black cops and Grand master rappers laugh behind sceens because they have system to get white kids into drugs and jail, and make him mindless.

666. Use brain, no listen to grandmaster rapper.

[Delta9]

Or is grandmaster's plan a delta9 delusion brought about by alcohol?

[Delta9]

"Whether in Amsterdam smoking 7 grams of green were [they] packed 6000 white kids with tight jeans."

[Delta9]

and then Quinita got in front of the class and said

"And this man, this, this,...this white man he had sex with a monkey and thats how AIDS came out."

[Delta9]

And then Mike Tyson said that white boy better hold oh! Woow! Woow! Woow! Ha HA Ha. He better hold on.

And they made that white boy squeal like a pig.

And then Arnold said "What you talking about Mr. Drummin?"
And Willis said you know damn well what he's talking about Arnold, We gonna make Mr. Drummin Squeal like a pig.

[Delta9]

And then KRS-ONE said: "I got get buck wild"
And the Ultimate Grandmaster of Islam Ayatollha Grand Master flash of Iran Said "Allah is Greatest" As he mastered his hamster and humped his fathers hole.

[alleycat]

ok i didnt really read the other posts so sorry if someone else has mentioned this
and i know im a newbie and people wont take me serouis but i have been reading these boards for ages but never really thought about posting

but i have just read one of the news articles posted on the home page and four officers have died due to the crimlisation of marijuana.

how lives will have to be taken before the world realises the stupidty of its goverments and officals treating marijuana as a crimal offence?

i think now is as good a time as any to start a worldwide revolt. in our droves we should protest lay down the law, reason, dispute, argue, what ever it takes to get our voices heard.

if alchoholics and heroin addicts are so welcomed into the public eye and welcomed for work in televison, the media, and office then how can the condoning of marijuana be just?

i may just be rambling due to just having a joint but i feel very strongly about this as does many people on here and through out the world.

but another thing i also feel strongly about which may upset a lot of people is the fact that most people who want legalization talk about it at great lengths and about what needs to be done BUT DO NOT DO ANYTHING ABOUT IT.

one thing we must realise is that things do not just happen they need to be worked for and if we are to bring out about legalization then we need to fight for it.

women fought for the vote
and got it
we fought for human rights
and got them
we fought for a lot of laws
and we got them
so why do we not fight for something that would make the world a better place?

it will happen

but lets make it happen

peace out

[Delta9]

I feel very strongly about the Legalization of marujuana in Los Estados Unidos as well. And the legalization of all other psychomimetic plants, cactuses, and fungi.

[Delta9]

Typical African American studies consists of nothing but shit loads of reading and writing about segregation and slavery. Memorization of The Constitution and The Bible, and criminal justice studies and finally the Police Academy and submission to Allah.

[Delta9]

I damn you. I damn you to hell.

[dazedandcontributing]

there is a group in canada if any canadians are looking to donate or join in ontario the email address is http://ocan.netfirms.com we fight for the leagalization of marijuana and have played with the idea on the c.c.b.o.lol cannabis control board of ontario but the only way to make change is to stand up in some way and ask for it and when nessesary fight for it so are you willing to fight for it thats the real question.