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Kenn
08-31-2006, 07:49 PM
We cant fkn believe it me and my girl are in shock ! Last friday we went to town to do some shoppin so we thought wewld put our 6 monthold daughter in a child care centre for the afternoon ,so we cld blow a joint and do some fun shit. Well our fun afternoon turned shit,when we get to childcare to pick Chloe up she has been bitten on the face near her eye by a toddler. the bite had actually broken the skin and was bruised.When we asked what had happened they fogged us off with bullshit and didnt even give us a proper explaination.Soo fkn angry and upset for our baby we stormed out tellin them we wld never be comming back. Now we still have no aswers and are being treat like trouble makers when we ring the manager 4 an explaination. So now we are considering legal action, we dont want to go down this road but we want to know how this could happen to a 6 monthold baby in supposed care its fucked ip.....What do u guys reckon we shld do just after a general opinion. ill try to post pic of her bite if i get any interest in this thread.:mad:

Big Calhoun
08-31-2006, 08:02 PM
So you put your daughter away in a faciltity so that you and your girl could smoke and do 'fun' stuff...........I'll leave that alone at the moment...

Your first mistake...well, second, is that you should have checked out the facility before hand. In these crazy times, anybody who leaves their kid anywhere without knowing the enviorment and getting referrals is a...is foolish. Any reputable child care facility (at least in the U.S.) will allow you a tour, allow you to sit-in and watch the operation, and will provide you with referrals from other parents. If they don't allow any of that, you need to keep on walking.

As to how would I feel...given the situation you described, I'd feel like a bad parent for shucking my kid off so I could smoke weed. But hey, that's just me.

BabyFacedAbortion
08-31-2006, 08:05 PM
I'm not saying what you did was RIGHT but I appreciate the fact that you didn't want to bring your baby girl into your pot-smokin' life style. That's a good thing, only because she's so young and could be potentially at risk for danger.

The fact that the child care facility wasn't keeping a close eye on your daughter is a serious problem. Please post a picture, if it's bad enough to jump into sueing or something, then I would. BUT if it's a small injury and obviously a mistake I would just learn from that and check into the facilities a lil deeper. I'm not blaming anyone, but I think this is just a really bad situation for you and your missus. I hope your daughter isn't too hurt :(

Kenn
08-31-2006, 08:17 PM
Man thats cool we were told abt this centre by friends theyre kids go there . And we didnt just dump her so we cld get high . We just live along way frm town and thought it better 4 her than bein dragged all over town .wether i smoke weed isnt the issue here man of course i do after all this is cannabis .com the issue is the lack of care provided.

Kenn
08-31-2006, 08:22 PM
this is a pic 1 week later today

Big Calhoun
08-31-2006, 08:25 PM
Hey, no worries. You have to understand; my wife and I lost a baby last year. When it comes to children, I'm very sensitive. They are God's most precious gift in this world. So IMO, you should have the utmost dilligence in caring for your children. No, there isn't an issue with you being a weed smoking parent. Like BFA said, it's better not to expose them to that enviorment. But certainly, you can appreciate where I was going with that.

But again, you can't go by referrals alone. A facility needs to let you do all three of things (tour, observe, referrals). If they are unwilling to do any part of it, then you should be unwilling to leave your child there. That's for future knowledge. As for now, you need to check what kind of recourse you have. You're not in the U.S. (I assume) so I have no idea what rules govern childcare where you are. If you can, you should A.) contact the corporate office and demand an explanation, B.) contact whatever agency governs childcare (if applicable) and see how you can lodge a complaint, and/or C.) threaten to take it to your local media...no one likes bad press.

Good luck and I do sincerely hope that your daughter is OK. It was probably just children getting out of hand, but still, those folks are paid to monitor and prevent such things. Somebody fell asleep on the job.

Kenn
08-31-2006, 08:27 PM
i understand ur point of view and respect it. this was the 1st time we used childcare and will be the last .

MaryJaneintheCloset
08-31-2006, 08:31 PM
Oh man... poor baby! We had the same problem when my son used to go to daycare, from the time he was about 13 months to 17 months. He actually got bit several times over the course of that time, and every time the daycare had to fill out an accident report and had us sign it. Everything like that SHOULD be documented.

Now here's my question- what was your 6 month old daughter doing in the same room as a kid old enough to bite like that? Usually children are segregated into different rooms by age, 2 year olds with 2 year olds, infants with infants, etc... And obviously your daughter is not old enough to actually provoke a biting, so where was the supervision there? Odds are, the kid who bit her has a history of doing it, and if that's the case, he should be removed from the daycare; at the very least, watched VERY carefully and supervised at all times.

You did the right thing by taking pictures... I suggest keeping those and getting some sort of documentation from the daycare as to what happened. They at least owe you an explanation... and maybe even the money you paid for Chloe to spend the day there that day. I hope it all works out for you and she's bite-mark free soon!

MaryJaneintheCloset
08-31-2006, 08:35 PM
Hey, no worries. You have to understand; my wife and I lost a baby last year. When it comes to children, I'm very sensitive. They are God's most precious gift in this world. So IMO, you should have the utmost dilligence in caring for your children. No, there isn't an issue with you being a weed smoking parent. Like BFA said, it's better not to expose them to that enviorment. But certainly, you can appreciate where I was going with that.

But again, you can't go by referrals alone. A facility needs to let you do all three of things (tour, observe, referrals). If they are unwilling to do any part of it, then you should be unwilling to leave your child there. That's for future knowledge. As for now, you need to check what kind of recourse you have. You're not in the U.S. (I assume) so I have no idea what rules govern childcare where you are. If you can, you should A.) contact the corporate office and demand an explanation, B.) contact whatever agency governs childcare (if applicable) and see how you can lodge a complaint, and/or C.) threaten to take it to your local media...no one likes bad press.

Good luck and I do sincerely hope that your daughter is OK. It was probably just children getting out of hand, but still, those folks are paid to monitor and prevent such things. Somebody fell asleep on the job.

BigCalhoun- I'm so sorry you lost a baby... my husband and I also lost a baby, our first son almost 5 years ago, and it's the absolute worst thing that could ever happen. I know what it's like to sensitive when it comes to children, I'm the same way. Just wanted to send a hug and some understanding your way...

Kenn
08-31-2006, 08:36 PM
Oh man... poor baby! We had the same problem when my son used to go to daycare, from the time he was about 13 months to 17 months. He actually got bit several times over the course of that time, and every time the daycare had to fill out an accident report and had us sign it. Everything like that SHOULD be documented.

Now here's my question- what was your 6 month old daughter doing in the same room as a kid old enough to bite like that? Usually children are segregated into different rooms by age, 2 year olds with 2 year olds, infants with infants, etc... And obviously your daughter is not old enough to actually provoke a biting, so where was the supervision there? Odds are, the kid who bit her has a history of doing it, and if that's the case, he should be removed from the daycare; at the very least, watched VERY carefully and supervised at all times.

You did the right thing by taking pictures... I suggest keeping those and getting some sort of documentation from the daycare as to what happened. They at least owe you an explanation... and maybe even the money you paid for Chloe to spend the day there that day. I hope it all works out for you and she's bite-mark free soon! these are the same questions we asked the centre and the only document we saw was an accident report thats all, they wont answer our questions and are acting rude toward us.:mad:

Kenn
08-31-2006, 08:41 PM
big calhoun........my daughters bite seems trivial to ur loss Im sorry dude thats fkn awful.:(

kuulbns
08-31-2006, 08:43 PM
Call The Department of Social Services on them. They should have to explain this to the proper child care authorities. They owe you more than an explanation, they should at least appologize, and be calling to check with you to see if she is okay. She's a darling lil thing, hope it all turns out okay.

napolitana869
08-31-2006, 08:50 PM
tell your friends who take their children there. that way other kids will be safe and they'll lmake less money

FunkyMonkey
09-01-2006, 03:17 AM
Oh my god. Well, everyone has already said anything i would add. Great advice and perspectives. That said...on the topic of legal action. I would push hard and fast. Like Kuulbns said contact your child protection service. this shit has GOT to be accounted for and prevented. They should have done waay more than they did at the daycare. Your child should have gotten medical screening, a papertrail started and you should still have lip marks on your ass from all the kissing they should have been doing. Also, they should have informed the parents of the kid that did the biting. That is not acceptable behavior and desperately needs attention.
Move forward with your own actions after the protective services have become involved. It will give you more weight to push around.
Someone should be fired for sure. Why the hell was a toddler left unsupervised with your baby?
Your poor baby. That pic a week later looks like she was in a lot of pain at the time.
I hope she feels better now.

Beautiful child by the way!

peace.

FunkyMonkey
09-01-2006, 03:22 AM
Hugs to maryjane and big calhoun. You have my deepest respect for the strength you obviously posess simply by still being sane and able to spread your love and knowledge after your tragedy.
Mere words cannot describe the respect that demands.

peace.

BabyFacedAbortion
09-01-2006, 03:27 AM
I agree with Funky, I give you all hugs and am so sorry. I also want to know why they didn't call you as soon as the bite happened? It's common sense. I adore children and often baby sit and while that may not seem like much, I'm 16 and know to call the parents as soon as ANYTHING happens to the baby.

halo
09-01-2006, 03:27 AM
Your the parents. Its your job to watch it. People today just think its ok to drop their baby off at some day care center and everything is fine and dandy. Well ya know what kid enjoy any moment they can spend with their parents. I know i did when i was young. I understand you didn't want to bring her with you to smoke, which is good, but couldn't you have just waited till later when the baby fell asleep or something? Anyways i know my post has seemed negative but good luck with this whole situation. And dont take the baby back there.

tootsie roll
09-01-2006, 05:12 AM
We cant fkn believe it me and my girl are in shock ! Last friday we went to town to do some shoppin so we thought wewld put our 6 monthold daughter in a child care centre for the afternoon ,so we cld blow a joint and do some fun shit. Well our fun afternoon turned shit,when we get to childcare to pick Chloe up she has been bitten on the face near her eye by a toddler. the bite had actually broken the skin and was bruised.When we asked what had happened they fogged us off with bullshit and didnt even give us a proper explaination.Soo fkn angry and upset for our baby we stormed out tellin them we wld never be comming back. Now we still have no aswers and are being treat like trouble makers when we ring the manager 4 an explaination. So now we are considering legal action, we dont want to go down this road but we want to know how this could happen to a 6 monthold baby in supposed care its fucked ip.....What do u guys reckon we shld do just after a general opinion. ill try to post pic of her bite if i get any interest in this thread.:mad:

I hope you immediately took the child to emergency care. She may need a tetnus shot and also it has to be docoumented!!!!

likemclever
09-01-2006, 05:30 AM
Oh my god. Well, everyone has already said anything i would add. Great advice and perspectives. That said...on the topic of legal action. I would push hard and fast. Like Kuulbns said contact your child protection service. this shit has GOT to be accounted for and prevented. They should have done waay more than they did at the daycare. Your child should have gotten medical screening, a papertrail started and you should still have lip marks on your ass from all the kissing they should have been doing. Also, they should have informed the parents of the kid that did the biting. That is not acceptable behavior and desperately needs attention.
Move forward with your own actions after the protective services have become involved. It will give you more weight to push around.
Someone should be fired for sure. Why the hell was a toddler left unsupervised with your baby?
Your poor baby. That pic a week later looks like she was in a lot of pain at the time.
I hope she feels better now.

Beautiful child by the way!

peace.

YES…exactly. You MUST do something about this.


Your the parents. Its your job to watch it. People today just think its ok to drop their baby off at some day care center and everything is fine and dandy. Well ya know what kid enjoy any moment they can spend with their parents. I know i did when i was young. I understand you didn't want to bring her with you to smoke, which is good, but couldn't you have just waited till later when the baby fell asleep or something? Anyways i know my post has seemed negative but good luck with this whole situation. And dont take the baby back there.

You must not have children. I can tell by the way you referred to the child as an IT. You know what from time to time it’s OK to go out and behave like adults with other adults.

I would have used a family member to watch the child but some people don’t have that luxury.

You MUST take action on this.

dryst
09-01-2006, 05:37 AM
a kid walked up and bit ur baby on the cheek?...wtf thats the craziest thing i ever heard...like how does some toddler walk up and just bite the shit out of a baby...? where the fuck is the supervision...if that was my baby...i woulda knocked the shit outta who ever was working there...then walked in the back grabbed the kidk that bit her and yank his fuckin teeth out (that after i bit his ass back) then id sue the shit outta them man...legal action indeed!

Kenn
09-01-2006, 06:05 AM
we rang social services today they were very concerned and are goin to be investigated ill keep u posted ,the social services said it should not av happened.loooks like we have a case .

cole
09-01-2006, 06:49 AM
You must not have children. .

well first you could tell that from his user name "no offence halo" and in his profile shows he 15 so no kids from this kid :p

cole
09-01-2006, 06:50 AM
we rang social services today they were very concerned and are goin to be investigated ill keep u posted ,the social services said it should not av happened.loooks like we have a case .

did you take a picture the day it happend?

Kenn
09-01-2006, 06:57 AM
did you take a picture the day it happend?

yeah man we got pics everyday 4 the last week.

cole
09-01-2006, 07:14 AM
nice those will come in handy if a lawsuit arisis ;) hope everything works out man, it sucks that they treated your baby and you and your wife with such disrespect

Kenn
09-01-2006, 08:27 AM
Thanx cole dont worry these assholes are gonna pay , they shoulnt be in the childcare system if they cant care for kids properly,its a fkn joke!

Binzhoubum
09-01-2006, 09:01 AM
these are the same questions we asked the centre and the only document we saw was an accident report thats all, they wont answer our questions and are acting rude toward us.:mad:

They are acting rude towards you?

That's complete bullshit. If anything they should be begging you not to sue them for negligence. :smokin:

Binzhoubum
09-01-2006, 09:04 AM
Shut those bastards down mate! :smokin:

We can't be having babies getting bit by toddlers...I mean come on. That daycare sounds like it needs new management and staff for sure.

Jay Matix
09-01-2006, 09:07 AM
little kids are crazy... someone can't really control when a todler runs up and bites another kid out of no where.... i use to work at kids club at the gym... it was crazy

sombro
09-01-2006, 09:33 AM
sue sue sue sue sue sue sue sue sue

it's the way to a better world.

I understand that you are upset and it would come as a shock to me too (i have a baby daughter) but my friend, accidents happen, especially if children are playing together. Are you sure that your guilt is not making you angrier about this issue than it warrants??

In a litigation culture eveybody loses. Do you think the centre will be safer once they've had to pay the settlement and maybe sack some people??

don't mean to give you a hard time, the real assholes are the parents of the kid that bit your kid.

Kenn
09-01-2006, 10:28 AM
sue sue sue sue sue sue sue sue sue

it's the way to a better world.

I understand that you are upset and it would come as a shock to me too (i have a baby daughter) but my friend, accidents happen, especially if children are playing together. Are you sure that your guilt is not making you angrier about this issue than it warrants??

In a litigation culture eveybody loses. Do you think the centre will be safer once they've had to pay the settlement and maybe sack some people??

don't mean to give you a hard time, the real assholes are the parents of the kid that bit your kid. At first we thought accidents happen but theyre acting like they are trying to cover somthing up ,we have now uncovered afew more stories abt this centre frm other people we have talked to.They were under staffed and negligent toddlers should not be able to go near a baby , it cld av been worse what if the toddler shoved somthing dwn her throat?or even worse?.If my action save this happenin to 1 more baby i think ive done a good thing .

sombro
09-01-2006, 10:56 AM
i agree that toddlers should not be allowed to play with babies, if the centre has a bad rep then i also agree that something should be done.
i'm just not sure that legal action will improve the centre for other people's kids.

but you have to do what you feel is right.


good luck

Cooler Then Jesus
09-01-2006, 12:37 PM
Man thats cool we were told abt this centre by friends theyre kids go there . And we didnt just dump her so we cld get high . We just live along way frm town and thought it better 4 her than bein dragged all over town .wether i smoke weed isnt the issue here man of course i do after all this is cannabis .com the issue is the lack of care provided.

actually, i think what you did was not a bad idea, you had GOOD intentions. maybe its best to wait till shes a bit older to let her see daddy hitting the ganja, but at her age, its not like shes going to school, or work, or out with freinds, etc. so when are YOU allowed to have alone time with the wife? exaclty, if i where you, find a preschool, or even a good baby sitter while mommy and daddy go visit Aunt Mary Jane..

benagain
09-01-2006, 12:55 PM
My wife is a licensed early childhood instruction (day care teacher) so I can tell you how it should have been handled by the center. 1st off, you can't be mad at the center for the bite, it's gonna happen when you have that many kids. You can however be unhappy with the lack of action on the part of the center. Most respectible have either zero tolerance for biting or a one time warning and then dismissal. I would be willing to bet that the person in charge didn't see the bite and doesn't know who did it (if this is a decent place). If that's the case then you should check with other parents, if it happens once it'll prolly happen again if left unchecked. Once the teacher knows the child doing the biting, then an immeadiate meeting should be made with the parents of the biting child explaining the centers policy on biting. Most cases the parents don't know of the biting as the kid prolly don't do it at home. Wanting to bite can be cause by a number of things such as teething to psycologial conditions. If biting continues or happens again after the meeting, the child is then dismissed. It's not fair for the parents, but this will force them to resolve the issue at hand.

Bottom line, you need to sit down with the teacher and if need be, the centers director and discuss your concerns. Most centers are willing to part with one bad kid in order to keep a safe center for other kids. The same though process and policy should also be applied to older kids and hitting or kicking. If you get nothing from the center and you feel it's an usafe place to have children, then contact your local child advocates service. Ususally centers are monitored by a local gov't branch. The child advocates can verify the center is up to standards and if not, have them shut them down immeadiatly.

This of course is generall how things are run over here in the states. The certification and training process varies from state to state, but the basics are the same. You shouldn't feel like leaving your kid at the center is unsafe. That is not what they are there for. Preschool teachers (most) do thier job because they like the kids, not for the money and are generally concerned about the health and wellfare of the kids. If you have a teacher that doesn't, then it's time to move on.


EDIT I see my spelling and grammer sucks ass. Oh well I'm too lazy to edit it all. You get the jist of it.

BobBong
09-01-2006, 12:58 PM
Nail them to the wall...

Best of luck..

Bob.

benagain
09-01-2006, 01:02 PM
Ohh another thing, here in the states, there are limits to how many kids of a certin age that can be together with one adult. Certifications of the teacher can alter this number a little but there is allways a limit. If the center has too many infants together with toddlers, then they may be in a big infraction of the law and operating license suspended. It's a common practise for directors to over fill classrooms and the gov't can't keep tabs on all of them. If the center is over filled and it's to the point that they can't responsible monitor the kids in the room, then you should do the right thing and get them shut down. This is all of course valid for centers over here in the US. I have no idea how it works on the other side of the pond, but I imagine it'd basically be the same.

BobBong
09-01-2006, 01:07 PM
My wife is a licensed early childhood instruction (day care teacher) so I can tell you how it should have been handled by the center. 1st off, you can't be mad at the center for the bite, it's gonna happen when you have that many kids. You can however be unhappy with the lack of action on the part of the center. Most respectible have either zero tolerance for biting or a one time warning and then dismissal. I would be willing to bet that the person in charge didn't see the bite and doesn't know who did it (if this is a decent place). If that's the case then you should check with other parents, if it happens once it'll prolly happen again if left unchecked. Once the teacher knows the child doing the biting, then an immeadiate meeting should be made with the parents of the biting child explaining the centers policy on biting. Most cases the parents don't know of the biting as the kid prolly don't do it at home. Wanting to bite can be cause by a number of things such as teething to psycologial conditions. If biting continues or happens again after the meeting, the child is then dismissed. It's not fair for the parents, but this will force them to resolve the issue at hand.

Bottom line, you need to sit down with the teacher and if need be, the centers director and discuss your concerns. Most centers are willing to part with one bad kid in order to keep a safe center for other kids. The same though process and policy should also be applied to older kids and hitting or kicking. If you get nothing from the center and you feel it's an usafe place to have children, then contact your local child advocates service. Ususally centers are monitored by a local gov't branch. The child advocates can verify the center is up to standards and if not, have them shut them down immeadiatly.

This of course is generall how things are run over here in the states. The certification and training process varies from state to state, but the basics are the same. You shouldn't feel like leaving your kid at the center is unsafe. That is not what they are there for. Preschool teachers (most) do thier job because they like the kids, not for the money and are generally concerned about the health and wellfare of the kids. If you have a teacher that doesn't, then it's time to move on.


EDIT I see my spelling and grammer sucks ass. Oh well I'm too lazy to edit it all. You get the jist of it.

... I agree that taking legal action will not really get to the bottom of this.. like you say. Perhaps the person looking after this BABY.. was not watching them at the time of the biting... but that in itself is concerning. What if this child that bit this BABY....decided to do something else... like .. stab it in the eye with a pencil.... the point is.. it should not have happened. These people were asked and payed to look after their baby for a few hours so that the parents could have some free time together. It is not uncommon.. nor is it wrong to do so. It sure beats using the T.V as a babysitter.. although, at least the teletoon network doesn't break your baby's skin.

The baby should've been monitored better...the fact that it happened is a shame.. the kid that bit the baby obviously has some issues needing to be addressed...but the fact that no answers were given.. and the fact that they were blatantly decide to ignore the matter..is pretty disgusting.

Like i said, nail them to the wall...

benagain
09-01-2006, 01:14 PM
... I agree that taking legal action will not really get to the bottom of this.. like you say. Perhaps the person looking after this BABY.. was not watching them at the time of the biting... but that in itself is concerning. What if this child that bit this BABY....decided to do something else... like .. stab it in the eye with a pencil.... the point is.. it should not have happened. These people were asked and payed to look after their baby for a few hours so that the parents could have some free time together. It is not uncommon.. nor is it wrong to do so. It sure beats using the T.V as a babysitter.. although, at least the teletoon network doesn't break your baby's skin.

The baby should've been monitored better...the fact that it happened is a shame.. the kid that bit the baby obviously has some issues needing to be addressed...but the fact that no answers were given.. and the fact that they were blatantly decide to ignore the matter..is pretty disgusting.

Like i said, nail them to the wall...

Agreed. Like I said with over booking, there's only so many kids you can keep track of by yourself. The child limit is allways much much lower with infants because they requite much more attention. Also the time spent together with other kids should allways be limited. Only when the teacher can watch them all together. It doesn't hurt for babies to interact with each other, but keeping them all together all day is not an option. Each child should have it's own crib so that if the teacher has to do anything that takes her attention away (picking up toys or getting a diaper change ready), the children are safely seperated and confined. From what I'm getting, it seems like a center that either isn't responsible or doesn't care. Or both.

MaryJaneintheCloset
09-01-2006, 07:03 PM
Thank you FunkyMonkey and BFA for your kind words... :)

Halo- It's quite alright and more than well deserved for parents to spend some alone time together... you do need a break sometimes, you know. You'll see when you have a kid.

Kenn- what sort of action is Social Services talking about taking?

Kenn
09-02-2006, 03:36 AM
Thank you FunkyMonkey and BFA for your kind words... :)

Halo- It's quite alright and more than well deserved for parents to spend some alone time together... you do need a break sometimes, you know. You'll see when you have a kid.

Kenn- what sort of action is Social Services talking about taking? social sevices are goin to interview us and the centre on monday. they will determine wether they had enough staff and how toddlers gainen access to the baby room.

Weve disscussed taking legal action and decided against it ,we re not out for money we just want answers and to stop this happening again.

Sorryyoulost
09-02-2006, 03:44 AM
SUE THEIR ASSES!!! If OJ can get away with murder, you can get away with a sue and the worst beating of their lives. Oh and i lost a baby brudder last winter too.

Make sure the child doesnt have rabies....Children can be vicious....




The baby, a solitary hunter. It stalks its prey, waiting to pounce. Usualy they prey on chew toys but have been known to eat others of their kind. The baby eggs have to wait their turn.......

cuziwashigh420
09-02-2006, 03:57 AM
That is such an adornable baby!

Kenn
09-02-2006, 11:12 AM
That is such an adornable baby! well thank you very much she is our little princess she has three older brothers too.

Kenn
09-05-2006, 11:24 AM
UPDATE!!......hOW S THIS FKN SHIT THE PLOT THICKENS. SOCIAL SERVICES CAME OVER TO INTERVIEW US WITH A COPY OF THE INCIDENT REPORT AND THE CENTRE MANAGER HAS FORGED ANOTHER REPORT AND EVEN FORGED MY WIFES SIGNATURE .WTF?.WHATS GOIN ON ,WHY THE COVER UP . THEY CLDVE GOT AWAY WITH A WARNING NOW THEYRE UP FOR FRAUD .JUST CANT UNDERSTAND WHY THO ???:confused:

SpiritLevel
09-05-2006, 11:55 AM
Things have a way of evening themselves out. IMO; A child is a permanent life changing experience; that birth becomes the centre of a couple's relationship, or at least it should. I think it was sign that you must re-think your priorities. Maybe if you took the time to do something more constructive to family life instead of selfish gains, it mightn't have occurred. Stop smokin weed if it prohibits you from looking after the security of your family. Again IMO; If one is old enough to make babies then one must be old enough to recognise the variety of people in this world and that the stuff that happens in the news doesn't just happen to them over there but it can happen to anyone of us. Personally; I'd sooner stop smoking weed for a few years than send my children into the company of strangers who could be absolutely anybody from anywhere capable of anything. Many parents are psychos as are the many off-spring of such psychos, I think its genetically heriditary. But maybe I'm just para..? I'd seek out the parents of the other child, problly spy a little, and see if they show psychopathic tendencies and inform social services of my findings. But I'd first ensure I am not a psycho before pointing the finger!

SpiritLevel
09-05-2006, 11:57 AM
Didn't read page 2 till just.. I'd get good legal advice and representation and take then all to the cleaners too.. gladly its covered on my home insurance up to £50k