My theory on size

[K_Shootz_Den]

ok think about it, to us, the smallest thing is an atom, but why is it the smallest thing? because its the smallest we can see, before we had microscopes the smallest things were like grains of sand, but our technology allows us to see smaller things, so what i think is that theres no end to size, there isnt, theres no smallest thing, only the smallest thing we can see, theres no biggest thing, its all an endless cycle :rasta:

[K_Shootz_Den]

Actually the biggest thing would have to be the universe. Which, in theory, is expanding until further notice. What I do not understand, is that if is expanding, then is there not a ... wall? A massive wave of nuclear energy? Who knows...

why is the universe the biggest thing?

[couch-potato]

Fuck it, I'm just going to say it: Humans are pretty stupid. As far as we know, the universe is the largest thing there is. Atoms are the smallest unit of matter, because anything that is smaller than that is energy. Also, the universe is pretty damn big, take a look at this. (http://sizeofoutworld.ytmnd.com/)

[iwantFUEGO]

The atom is not claimed to be the smallest particle. There is a whole theory written on this about the particles the make up each particle going all the way to a photon. A good book on quantum physics would be a good read for anyone interested in this subject.

another thought: if we're all made of the different elements, which are all made of photons, then theoretically, everything in the universe is composed of the same thing.

god is love
peace

[iwantFUEGO]

Fuck it, I'm just going to say it: Humans are pretty stupid. As far as we know, the universe is the largest thing there is. Atoms are the smallest unit of matter, because anything that is smaller than that is energy. Also, the universe is pretty damn big, take a look at this. (http://sizeofoutworld.ytmnd.com/)

thats pretty awesome.

[Oneironaut]

http://www.wordwizz.com/pages/1uexp-16.htm

[dryst]

jupiter?...its planet...planets are didfferent from stars...which is why stars are called stars and planets are called planets...theyre not the same...no matter what size...size doesnt make something a star...

[iwantFUEGO]

I heard somewhere, that if Jupiter was much bigger, it could have ignited into a star.
Thats actually not a bad theory... Gravity would definatly explain that further.

[NextLineIsMine]

I got a great paradox for you... youre walking from point A to B and lets say theres ten meters between the two points, well you could just keep on halving that distance endlessly (10, 5, 2.5, 1.25, etc) so that means theres an infinite number of points between the two right, so how do you walk past an infinite number of points?

(I heard it better than I said it)

[dryst]

Thats actually not a bad theory... Gravity would definatly explain that further.

im not sure exactly how much stronger the gravitation pull would haver to be but it would be like x10003812047128347=- times more than it is now...which would make jupiter alot small if that was the case, the ammount of matter that sun has compared to jupiter is phemonal...not to mention the sun is still young and still growing...i highly doubt jupiter could be a star

[Oneironaut]

jupiter?...its planet...planets are didfferent from stars...which is why stars are called stars and planets are called planets...theyre not the same...no matter what size...size doesnt make something a star...
Actually, that's not true. There isn't exactly a clear-cut line between planets and stars. As a body becomes more massive, it becomes capable of fusion in its core, which then makes it a star. There is a large spectrum between planet-sized bodies and star-sized bodies, and astronomers aren't in total agreement on when a planet is big enough to be considered a star.

[couch-potato]

I got a great paradox for you... youre walking from point A to B and lets say theres ten meters between the two points, well you could just keep on halving that distance endlessly (10, 5, 2.5, 1.25, etc) so that means theres an infinite number of points between the two right, so how do you walk past an infinite number of points?

(I heard it better than I said it)


Next time I smoke out with my buddies I'm going to ask them that and watch their heads explode.

[Cas]

I heard somewhere, that if Jupiter was much bigger, it could have ignited into a star.

yeah i heard that too on the science channel. think how different our solar system would be if jupiter was a star.

[Oneironaut]

I got a great paradox for you... youre walking from point A to B and lets say theres ten meters between the two points, well you could just keep on halving that distance endlessly (10, 5, 2.5, 1.25, etc) so that means theres an infinite number of points between the two right, so how do you walk past an infinite number of points?

(I heard it better than I said it)

It's quite trivial, as everyday experience shows. Since the points are infinitely small, you pass by them in an infinitely tiny amount of time.

[FeastonThisSHITT]

It's quite trivial, as everyday experience shows. Since the points are infinitely small, you pass by them in an infinitely tiny amount of time.

Basicaly it boils down to the fact that our brains can not handle the concept of infinity. It's just like the, "If the universe is expanding, what is it expanding into? Or what is outside of the universe" question.

[NextLineIsMine]

It's quite trivial, as everyday experience shows. Since the points are infinitely small, you pass by them in an infinitely tiny amount of time.

we're talking infinite here as in neverending. Its a well known paradox and im not sure your answer made any sense, describe what youre thinking a bit more

[SmokingPlatypus]

ok think about it, to us, the smallest thing is an atom, but why is it the smallest thing? because its the smallest we can see, before we had microscopes the smallest things were like grains of sand, but our technology allows us to see smaller things, so what i think is that theres no end to size, there isnt, theres no smallest thing, only the smallest thing we can see, theres no biggest thing, its all an endless cycle :rasta:

An atom is not the smallest thing. Atoms are composed of electrons, neutrons, and protons. But we can't stop there, can we? Electrons, Neutrons, and Protons are further composed of gluons, quarks, and nuons. But what is beyond there? Nobody knows, because we currently don't have instruments that can squint that far yet.

Furthermore, a universe isn't the biggest thing ever, either. Even if you have a universe, there has to be something beyond the universe, right? Or would it be that reality stops where the universe stops? Could the universe have an end? We don't know. Once again, we currently don't have instruments that can squint that far yet.

And with this whole line scenario.. lines are simply imaginary spaces of indeterminate size that signify a point in space. They have no mass, because if they were to have mass, then they would have to go into the second and third dimension.

It's a fun thing to think about. :rasta:

[FeastonThisSHITT]

An atom is not the smallest thing. Atoms are composed of electrons, neutrons, and protons. But we can't stop there, can we? Electrons, Neutrons, and Protons are further composed of gluons, quarks, and nuons. But what is beyond there? Nobody knows, because we currently don't have instruments that can squint that far yet.

Furthermore, a universe isn't the biggest thing ever, either. Even if you have a universe, there has to be something beyond the universe, right? Or would it be that reality stops where the universe stops? Could the universe have an end? We don't know. Once again, we currently don't have instruments that can squint that far yet.

It's a fun thing to think about.

That is what I am saying. We can't grasp the concept. Even when we do make instruments that can detect smaller pieces of matter and energy, there will be even smaller ones and smaller ones to find infinately.

LOL I liked the concept of reality stopping at the end of the universe.

It's such a mindfuck. I have a feeling that when you die you learn it all. Don't ask me why. I think when you die you are in your natural "real" state. Again, don't ask why.

[senoirsalsa]

smallest thing is not an atom, but what makes up nuetrons electrons and protons dumbass

[Cas]

yes but string theory says that atoms are made up of strings, tiny bits of energy. i know it's jsut a theory but still consider it.

[Oneironaut]

we're talking infinite here as in neverending. Its a well known paradox and im not sure your answer made any sense, describe what youre thinking a bit more

It's a "paradox" that has been solved by modern mathematical understanding of what infinity is. There is an infinite number of points, true, but there is also an infinite number of chunks of time you are using to traverse those points. You will be able to get over the finite distance in a finite amount of time, even though those finite entities could theoretically be broken down into an infinite number of infinitely small chunks. For each infinitely tiny point you have to get across, there is an infinitely tiny amount of time needed to cross it, so when an infinite number of infinitely tiny points adds up to your finite distance, a corresponding infinite number of infinitely tiny chunks of time adds up to your finite time.

[FeastonThisSHITT]

It's a "paradox" that has been solved by modern mathematical understanding of what infinity is. There is an infinite number of points, true, but there is also an infinite number of chunks of time you are using to traverse those points. You will be able to get over the finite distance in a finite amount of time, even though those finite entities could theoretically be broken down into an infinite number of infinitely small chunks. For each infinitely tiny point you have to get across, there is an infinitely tiny amount of time needed to cross it, so when an infinite number of infinitely tiny points adds up to your finite distance, a corresponding infinite number of infinitely tiny chunks of time adds up to your finite time.

lol, entertaining, there was a little computer animation going through my head while I read that post, showing me what it means.

[SmokingPlatypus]

smallest thing is not an atom, but what makes up nuetrons electrons and protons dumbass

Yeah, everyone who doesn't know quantum physics is a DUMBASS. /kidding.

So he didn't know. Big deal. No need to be a jerk about it.

[dryst]

if u wanna get techinical everything can be browekn down limitlessly...just cause humans dont know the answer doesnt mean it doesnt exist...

[K_Shootz_Den]

smallest thing is not an atom, but what makes up nuetrons electrons and protons dumbass

wow honestly, i cant believe people can be so damn childish, seriously, you need to grow up

[YouD0nt]

In reference to the line situation >>> What is the smallest fraction between 0 and 1. Dumbfounding to even the smartest mind. Besides the simple, and right answer: infinity.

Infinity cannot be explained or understood, through human perception we will never grasp the idea of infinity. And inifinity is almost the basis of everything in this universe. Also the universe is technically not the biggest thing in existance. There are alternate universes. Just not perceptable, but through quantum physics and ecetera there are solid theories and laws stating that there can and probably are alternate universes.

On to another mindfuck.

Black Holes-
I've always wondered where they lead to... A hole in the very fabric of space and time, nothing can escape it. Not even the very light that we see and cannot control. Now where does all of it lead to? No one will ever know. Also wormholes. A way to travel time.. people could theroetically make and travel time through wormholes, but it would require energy something like 10million times more than is produced by the sun ever second (discover magazine). And imagine the complications of simply (somehow) travelling back in time, and then taking away someones book bag.. maybe 10,000 people will die because of the infinite chain of events that would follow. Think, you travel back in time and go to your school, you break someones leg, as time progresses you would eventually be effected by it (finding out in the future of the time you are present in, or the time you are preceiving as the past) and be instantly and infinitley affected by everything that you did.




Call me the mindfucker.

[FeastonThisSHITT]

Also, if we came up with the technology to transfer matter to energy, and back to matter again, we could travel light speed, affecting the time we are aging. 1 hour traveling at that light speed and all of the people we know when we come back would all be years older than us, even though we only aged an hour.

come to think of it, if we could transfer energy to matter we could digitize software creations and make them real, like virtual porn you can sense with the 5 senses.

[YouD0nt]

It is impossible to travel the speed of light, unless you are light (of course). The theory about E=MC2 has this thing.. that if you travel the speed of light you become infinitley heavy until you have infinite mass and are unable to move. Crazy but its what I've read.

And 5 sense porn.. awesome but It would ruin life as we know it. People wouldn't have a reason to live in the "real" world if all 5 senses could be accomadated for and replaced with easy to come by software.

[FeastonThisSHITT]

It is impossible to travel the speed of light, unless you are light (of course). The theory about E=MC2 has this thing.. that if you travel the speed of light you become infinitley heavy until you have infinite mass and are unable to move. Crazy but its what I've read.

And 5 sense porn.. awesome but It would ruin life as we know it. People wouldn't have a reason to live in the "real" world if all 5 senses could be accomadated for and replaced with easy to come by software.

and so the matrix is created :)

[FeastonThisSHITT]

It is impossible to travel the speed of light, unless you are light (of course). The theory about E=MC2 has this thing.. that if you travel the speed of light you become infinitley heavy until you have infinite mass and are unable to move. Crazy but its what I've read.

And 5 sense porn.. awesome but It would ruin life as we know it. People wouldn't have a reason to live in the "real" world if all 5 senses could be accomadated for and replaced with easy to come by software.

i know it's impossible for matter to travel the speed of light, that is why I said, if we had the technology to turn our physical bodies into energy (light), and back.

[pogmoasal1]

well you can think about it with how they explaind it in i hart hukabees (or how ever you spell it)

that the world (or infinate space for this case) is like a blanket. in that between everything there is something fillinf that gap like between each atom there is something there and between what ever that is there is something and so on and so forth.

but then again im bad at explaining things (especally on the internet) so it probably makes no sence and you should just ignore this post.

[S.P.Q.R.]

Fuck it, I'm just going to say it: Humans are pretty stupid. As far as we know, the universe is the largest thing there is. Atoms are the smallest unit of matter, because anything that is smaller than that is energy. Also, the universe is pretty damn big, take a look at this. (http://sizeofoutworld.ytmnd.com/)

Woah.. :stoned:

[NextLineIsMine]

I love it when I can talk about mindfuck theoretical physics (like this thread )without some loony barging in and talking about their visions of god who enlightend them to the way things really are and they need to open your eyes. I had a friend like that and its extremely annoying. I need more physicist professor toking buddies.

[paddyahern]

Ya know what's the greatest mindfuck of all?

It's all in our heads.

ah fuck I can't even go on about this shit anymore it fucking hurts my head... and I haven't slept in 16 hours.

[twist n shout]

How about pluto gettin kicked outa the club?:) :D :stoned: :rasta: :pimp: :smokin: :p :thumbsup: :dance:

[paddyahern]

How about pluto gettin kicked outa the club?:) :D :stoned: :rasta: :pimp: :smokin: :p :thumbsup: :dance:

LOL, sometimes you gotta wonder, What is the point?

Seriously, who gives a fuck if pluto is a planet or a big ball or ice.

Scientists.....need to get high:smokin:

[azure]

when they say the universe is expanding though... expanding into what? other universes? or are they on a totally different level sort of thing

[Maui Wowie]

Son's are friggin trippy.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Pistol_star_and_nebula.jpg

The Pistol Star would annihilate us

[YouD0nt]

How can time travel be possible? If someone travels back in time and changes just ONE thing, then history could be completely changed. Going back into the past and heavily influencing it could be catastrophic :(

I dunno, but it makes sense.

Thats reminds me of the simpsons episode where homer breaks his toaster, attempts to fix it, and makes it into a time machine. He then travels back into time, swats this giant mosquito deal, then a chain of events happen and like everything dies around him, thus when he travels back to the future, it is completley messed up, and like fucking donuts are raining and they have these serpents tounges.

Lol rambling on about that :thumbsup:

[shoi]

this makes me think and then i feel like strange then i get sleepy and such

[johnnyAKABob]

I got a great paradox for you... youre walking from point A to B and lets say theres ten meters between the two points, well you could just keep on halving that distance endlessly (10, 5, 2.5, 1.25, etc) so that means theres an infinite number of points between the two right, so how do you walk past an infinite number of points?

(I heard it better than I said it)

theres an infinate amount of points but its not over an infante space, its fixed over a distance of 10m. so the answer to your question is: quite easily if the start point and end point are a fixed distance apart

that kind of made sense to me but im pretty stoned and still recoverin from last night lol