RIGHTS? I THINK NOT

[memoryburner]

man, wtf happened to our rights...it should be a right for us to put whatever the hell we want into our bodies...wtf is so wrong with an herb that relaxes you? if you ask me, the government is trying to take away freedom that is guarenteed.

[Inferius]

They took our' jobsss!

[JordaN23]

They took our' jobsss!

ROFL is that from south park, cause it made me laugh aha im too baked for that.

[2600]

ROFL is that from south park, cause it made me laugh aha im too baked for that.

That was a hardcore episode. Freaks from the future. Remember O'Reilly?

[graph]

With the current government problems, a little plant is the least of their worries.

Sadly, the people in jail over a little plant is the least of their worries too.

[Dutch Masta]

With the current government problems, a little plant is the least of their worries.

Sadly, the people in jail over a little plant is the least of their worries too.

Mostly anyone in jail over marijuana is in jail because they were trying to turn that little plant into a little profit. Realistically, marijuana is already a losely controlled substance in any remotely populated area. As the largest populated area in the country, any drug is only a few phone calls away. Its just that SO many people use it, SO much, that the chance of getting caught occurs. There has to be some regulation over it.

[SmokingPlatypus]

"If the phrase 'life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness' doesn't involve being able to experiment with our own consciousness, then the Declaration of Independence isn't worth the hemp paper that it was written on."

[memoryburner]

what is it with people and having disclaimers about smoking as their signature...is it a joke or wat?

[Captain Hanks]

"If the phrase 'life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness' doesn't involve being able to experiment with our own consciousness, then the Declaration of Independence isn't worth the hemp paper that it was written on."

Ha, couldn't have put it any better. People in court use the declaration's rights as a way to get out of trouble, and it works!:smokin:

[Transition Force]

man, wtf happened to our rights...it should be a right for us to put whatever the hell we want into our bodies...wtf is so wrong with an herb that relaxes you? if you ask me, the government is trying to take away freedom that is guarenteed.

You aren't by chance known as Incrementalist on another forum, are you?

[Pride]

They took our' jobsss!

TERK ER DERRRRR!!!!!!!!!

[memoryburner]

You aren't by chance known as Incrementalist on another forum, are you?

nope. im the one and only memoryburner. lol.

[Dizz-Oh!]

Dutch Masta, you said

Mostly anyone in jail over marijuana is in jail because they were trying to turn that little plant into a little profit. Realistically, marijuana is already a losely controlled substance in any remotely populated area.

Mostly anyone? Really?

In 2004, 44.2 percent of the 1,745,712 total arrests in the US for drug abuse violations were for marijuana -- a total of 771,605. Of those, 684,319 people were arrested for possession alone. By contrast in 2000, a total of 734,497 Americans were arrested for marijuana offenses, of which 646,042 were for possession alone.


Sources: Crime in the United States: FBI Uniform Crime Reports 2004 (Washington, DC: US Government Printing Office, 2005), p. 278, Table 4.1 & p. 280, Table 29; Federal Bureau of Investigation, Crime in America: FBI Uniform Crime Reports 2003 (Washington, DC: US Government Printing Office, 2004), p.269, Table 4.1 & p. 270, Table 29; Federal Bureau of Investigation, Crime in America: FBI Uniform Crime Reports 2002 (Washington, DC: US Government Printing Office, 2003), p. 234, Table 4.1 & and p. 234, Table 29; Federal Bureau of Investigation, Crime in America: FBI Uniform Crime Reports 2001 (Washington, DC: US Government Printing Office, 2002), p. 232, Table 4.1 & and p. 233, Table 29; Federal Bureau of Investigation, Uniform Crime Reports for the United States 2000 (Washington DC: US Government Printing Office, 2001), pp. 215-216, Tables 29 and 4.1; Uniform Crime Reports for the United States 1999 (Washington DC: US Government Printing Office, 2000), pp. 211-212; Federal Bureau of Investigation, Uniform Crime Reports for the United States 1998 (Washington DC: US Government Printing Office, 1999), pp. 209-210; Crime in America: FBI Uniform Crime Reports 1997 (Washington, DC: US Government Printing Office, 1998), p. 221, Table 4.1 & p. 222, Table 29; Crime in America: FBI Uniform Crime Reports 1996 (Washington, DC: US Government Printing Office, 1997), p. 213, Table 4.1 & p. 214, Table 29; FBI, UCR for the US 1995 (Washington, DC: US Government Printing Office, 1996), pp. 207-208; FBI, UCR for the US 1990 (Washington, DC: US Government Printing Office, 1991), pp. 173-174; FBI, UCR for the US 1980 (Washington, DC: US Government Printing Office, 1981), pp. 189-191.

I mean really dude, why don't you fact check your generalizations? Think your cool cause you've never been caught, or what???

[Dutch Masta]

Dutch Masta, you said

Mostly anyone in jail over marijuana is in jail because they were trying to turn that little plant into a little profit. Realistically, marijuana is already a losely controlled substance in any remotely populated area.

Mostly anyone? Really?

In 2004, 44.2 percent of the 1,745,712 total arrests in the US for drug abuse violations were for marijuana -- a total of 771,605. Of those, 684,319 people were arrested for possession alone. By contrast in 2000, a total of 734,497 Americans were arrested for marijuana offenses, of which 646,042 were for possession alone.


Sources: Crime in the United States: FBI Uniform Crime Reports 2004 (Washington, DC: US Government Printing Office, 2005), p. 278, Table 4.1 & p. 280, Table 29; Federal Bureau of Investigation, Crime in America: FBI Uniform Crime Reports 2003 (Washington, DC: US Government Printing Office, 2004), p.269, Table 4.1 & p. 270, Table 29; Federal Bureau of Investigation, Crime in America: FBI Uniform Crime Reports 2002 (Washington, DC: US Government Printing Office, 2003), p. 234, Table 4.1 & and p. 234, Table 29; Federal Bureau of Investigation, Crime in America: FBI Uniform Crime Reports 2001 (Washington, DC: US Government Printing Office, 2002), p. 232, Table 4.1 & and p. 233, Table 29; Federal Bureau of Investigation, Uniform Crime Reports for the United States 2000 (Washington DC: US Government Printing Office, 2001), pp. 215-216, Tables 29 and 4.1; Uniform Crime Reports for the United States 1999 (Washington DC: US Government Printing Office, 2000), pp. 211-212; Federal Bureau of Investigation, Uniform Crime Reports for the United States 1998 (Washington DC: US Government Printing Office, 1999), pp. 209-210; Crime in America: FBI Uniform Crime Reports 1997 (Washington, DC: US Government Printing Office, 1998), p. 221, Table 4.1 & p. 222, Table 29; Crime in America: FBI Uniform Crime Reports 1996 (Washington, DC: US Government Printing Office, 1997), p. 213, Table 4.1 & p. 214, Table 29; FBI, UCR for the US 1995 (Washington, DC: US Government Printing Office, 1996), pp. 207-208; FBI, UCR for the US 1990 (Washington, DC: US Government Printing Office, 1991), pp. 173-174; FBI, UCR for the US 1980 (Washington, DC: US Government Printing Office, 1981), pp. 189-191.

I mean really dude, why don't you fact check your generalizations? Think your cool cause you've never been caught, or what???

Wow, all those facts and your attempt to try and prove me wrong. Impressive, but unfortunately it is all simply useless and you have now completely embarrassed yourself, as I can even use the information you provided on my side of the argument. You apparantly do not understand the difference between an ARREST and JAIL TIME. Again, mostly anyone serving JAIL TIME is there because they were attempting to profit off the sale or distribuiton of marijuana, big or small time. In general, distribution is considered a big crime. Posession (or useage), even in the "stricter" areas still have an extremely lenient gap of consequences as compared to distribution and cultivation. Mostly every single one of those posession charges are not the ones who are filling up the prison cells.. its the ones that are selling it.

The law does not focus on the users of the product, they focus on the SOURCE obviously. Targeting the users would do nothing, because despite legality, most people still know that marijuana use is generally harmless for the most part, but they still have to take a stance against it, being that it is illegal and a bit of an adult taboo for many. So what the law does, is target where its coming from and where its changing hands, since that is a much more effective way to control a substance, where a user is simply like a pawn in a chessgame. The bishops and rooks are the dealers, and the king is the main source (cultivation) that is difficult to get to, but once hes gone the rest of that entire drug trade branch fall apart. The PROBLEM is, posession is disputable. It can be either for the use or the sale. So thats where mostly all of the drug problems come from.. but generally, nobody gets jail over simple posession. In my area, its a $100 fine and confisgation and thats it. I live in New York, and even our neighbor state across at New Jersey have some of the strictest drug laws out, and even they dont give out jail time for (small) posession. Large posession always indicates sale. But sure, it can get you in a lot of other trouble, but theres a difference between that and jail time.

[Markass]

Wow, all those facts and your attempt to try and prove me wrong. Impressive, but unfortunately it is all simply useless and you have now completely embarrassed yourself, as I can even use the information you provided on my side of the argument. You apparantly do not understand the difference between an ARREST and JAIL TIME. Again, mostly anyone serving JAIL TIME is there because they were attempting to profit off the sale or distribuiton of marijuana, big or small time. In general, distribution is considered a big crime. Posession (or useage), even in the "stricter" areas still have an extremely lenient gap of consequences as compared to distribution and cultivation. Mostly every single one of those posession charges are not the ones who are filling up the prison cells.. its the ones that are selling it.

The law does not focus on the users of the product, they focus on the SOURCE obviously. Targeting the users would do nothing, because despite legality, most people still know that marijuana use is generally harmless for the most part, but they still have to take a stance against it, being that it is illegal and a bit of an adult taboo for many. So what the law does, is target where its coming from and where its changing hands, since that is a much more effective way to control a substance, where a user is simply like a pawn in a chessgame. The bishops and rooks are the dealers, and the king is the main source (cultivation) that is difficult to get to, but once hes gone the rest of that entire drug trade branch fall apart. The PROBLEM is, posession is disputable. It can be either for the use or the sale. So thats where mostly all of the drug problems come from.. but generally, nobody gets jail over simple posession. In my area, its a $100 fine and confisgation and thats it. I live in New York, and even our neighbor state across at New Jersey have some of the strictest drug laws out, and even they dont give out jail time for (small) posession. Large posession always indicates sale. But sure, it can get you in a lot of other trouble, but theres a difference between that and jail time.


If the fucking laws don't focus on the users, then why were 600 some thousand users and users in posession only that were fucking arrested for that? Leniant my balls. If they think they have the chance to bust a pothead, they do it. Easy bust at the cost of occupying police resources because they want to find the dope that these kids have. Let us live and stop busting us. And mr. dutch gentleman, it's not the same everywhere. You may be happy with the status of the laws or something, so you could care less about what happens with the legality, because you'll only get fined $100...Quit being so fucking selfish. People need to stand up for the other stoners who happened to get busted somehow...because they were arrested for doing the same thing that you do...and it could've been you. Marijuana doesn't need to be illegal. It's a plant...And it won't destruct our society. It could turn other substance users into friendly, healthy potheads. That's what I'm talking about. Give people another legal alternative besides just ri-fucking-diculous alcohol.

[Dutch Masta]

If the fucking laws don't focus on the users, then why were 600 some thousand users and users in posession only that were fucking arrested for that? Leniant my balls. If they think they have the chance to bust a pothead, they do it. Easy bust at the cost of occupying police resources because they want to find the dope that these kids have. Let us live and stop busting us. And mr. dutch gentleman, it's not the same everywhere. You may be happy with the status of the laws or something, so you could care less about what happens with the legality, because you'll only get fined $100...Quit being so fucking selfish. People need to stand up for the other stoners who happened to get busted somehow...because they were arrested for doing the same thing that you do...and it could've been you. Marijuana doesn't need to be illegal. It's a plant...And it won't destruct our society. It could turn other substance users into friendly, healthy potheads. That's what I'm talking about. Give people another legal alternative besides just ri-fucking-diculous alcohol.

LOL again, there is a difference between JAIL TIME and an ARREST. An arrest only results in incarteration in more serious circumstances. There are NO small time drug charges in which you are placed in jail for the small time use of marijuana. Of course the arrests are not good, but it is still a huge difference from actual jail time. I don't say I agree with the laws, at all.. I'm saying that the people serving jail time, are there because they were involved with some form of distribution with it.

[Markass]

But you're missing what my point is...We SHOULD NOT be arrested for anything cannabis related, distribution or not, brother. How would you like it if the person that you were getting your smoke from got busted for 'trying to turn that plant into a little profit.' Bottom line for this one is that you get arrested, you lose your smoke and whatever you were smoking out of, you get a tag on your record, and you get fined money. That's bullshit. Yes, be as responsible as you can and you might not get caught, but there's always being in the wrong place at the wrong time. You never know when it could just happen...And that's why we need to change the laws. Because you could be that innocent pot smoker being taken to jail for one night and being charged $1,500 total fines and court costs just because you had the dried flower from a fucking plant? This country was founded on freedom and independence from governmental control...Well what the fuck was it turned into today? The right to smoke and grow a plant is being free. If we can drink alcohol, get drunk, and run your car off the road because you blacked out and had no idea what you were doing..and even less of an idea of what was going on. But it's okay to get shit-ass drunk in America because it's a free country, eh? Why can't we get stoned? We should have a safe alternative to alcohol, which in my opinion is marijuana. It's not a crime in any way, and it definitely shouldn't be considered one by the government dicks who haven't ever even smoked it...

[Dutch Masta]

But you're missing what my point is...We SHOULD NOT be arrested for anything cannabis related, distribution or not, brother. How would you like it if the person that you were getting your smoke from got busted for 'trying to turn that plant into a little profit.' Bottom line for this one is that you get arrested, you lose your smoke and whatever you were smoking out of, you get a tag on your record, and you get fined money. That's bullshit. Yes, be as responsible as you can and you might not get caught, but there's always being in the wrong place at the wrong time. You never know when it could just happen...And that's why we need to change the laws. Because you could be that innocent pot smoker being taken to jail for one night and being charged $1,500 total fines and court costs just because you had the dried flower from a fucking plant? This country was founded on freedom and independence from governmental control...Well what the fuck was it turned into today? The right to smoke and grow a plant is being free. If we can drink alcohol, get drunk, and run your car off the road because you blacked out and had no idea what you were doing..and even less of an idea of what was going on. But it's okay to get shit-ass drunk in America because it's a free country, eh? Why can't we get stoned? We should have a safe alternative to alcohol, which in my opinion is marijuana. It's not a crime in any way, and it definitely shouldn't be considered one by the government dicks who haven't ever even smoked it...

Okay.. I'm not disagreeing with any of that.. Jeez, if people would just actually read the posts here before going on a rampage, this would be a much better place. I'm not saying that the laws are in good shape, and I'm not saying Marijuana use should be considered a crime. But currently, they are, and I'm saying that they are not as incredibly harsh as some make it out to be. I initially only argued that the small time drug posessions are not the ones serving prison times, its the ones turning it into a profit. Yes, there can be some heavy consequences for even small/moderate posession, but its still not jail time!