LOVE IT OR LEAVE IT YOU TERRORISTS!!!

[DoctorCubensis]

Okay, so any others out there who refuse to let themselves be brainwashed sick of this attitude that the right has, "Support America or Get out!"? especially when it comes to the issue of war?

What is it theyre afraid of from dissent? Wasn't the country founded upon dissent and contrasting points of view? This ignorant, regressive attitude is at best frustrating, as it's THAT attitude that should be deemed unamerican.

Why should I support America in a war that's proven bullshit? Does it make me a terrorist that I don't support the war, even though Iraq has no links to terrorism? Is it really that un-american to not support the bombing of impoverished civilians? To not rally at the thought of my brothers dying because of our oil addiction?

Someone enlighten me. Anyone?

[Hamlet]

Yeah, that redneck 'you don't support our troops, love it or leave it' bullshit grinds my ass to the bone too.

I support our troops. I support getting their asses out of that insanity alive! The Neocons do something very well. They dumb it down for the American public with catchy little phrases so the guy who doesn't want to think too much has something to grasp on too. "Soft on Terror!" "Support Our Troops!" "That's UnAmerican!"

In fact, when they want a distraction from how badly they're doing, they bring up bills like flag burning so they can wrap themselves in it like a holy cloak.

Here's the way I look at it. The flag that represents the freedom of a citizen to actually have the right to burn it in protest is the one I want to pick up and wave. And if the narrow-minded rednecks don't like it, they can go back to Dogpatch!....lol

[Dizz-Oh!]

I want the red mist

[Hamlet]

Not until you've finished your turnips.

[Dizz-Oh!]

Lol....

it was a reference to "Jarhead"

[Fengzi]

I believe in the 'Support America or Get Out" proposition. Then again, I think that Dubya's foriegn policy has done nothing to support America so....

[Breukelen advocaat]

Neither Bush nor the Iraqi war are very popular with Americans these days, according to a recent poll conducted by the NY Times and CBS News.

August 23, 2006

Poll Shows a Shift in Opinion on Iraq War

By CARL HULSE and MARJORIE CONNELLY

WASHINGTON, Aug. 22 â?? Americans increasingly see the war in Iraq as distinct from the fight against terrorism, and nearly half believe President Bush has focused too much on Iraq to the exclusion of other threats, according to the latest New York Times/CBS News poll.

The poll found that 51 percent of those surveyed saw no link between the war in Iraq and the broader antiterror effort, a jump of 10 percentage points since June. That increase comes despite the regular insistence of Mr. Bush and Congressional Republicans that the two are intertwined and should be seen as complementary elements of a strategy to prevent domestic terrorism.

Should the trend hold, the rising skepticism could present a political obstacle for Mr. Bush and his allies on Capitol Hill, who are making their record on terrorism a central element of the midterm election campaign. The Republicans hope that by expressing a desire for forceful action against terrorists, they can offset unease with the Iraq war and blunt the political appeal of Democratic calls to establish a timeline to withdraw American troops.

Public sentiment about the war remains negative, threatening to erode a Republican advantage on national security. Fifty-three percent said going to war was a mistake, up from 48 percent in July; 62 percent said events were going â??somewhat or very badlyâ?� in the effort to bring order and stability to Iraq.

Mr. Bush recorded a gain of four percentage points in how the public views his handling of terrorism, rising to 55 percent approval from 51 percent a week earlier. This was his highest approval rating on the issue since last summer and followed the arrests in Britain in a suspected terror plot to blow up airliners.

Mr. Bushâ??s overall standing was nevertheless unchanged from the previous week, with 57 percent disapproving and 36 percent approving, far below the level Republicans in Congress would like to see as they prepare for elections in November.

Compounding the Republicansâ?? political problems, the survey reflected significant dissatisfaction with the way Congress was doing its job. Voters in the poll indicated a strong preference for Democratic candidates this fall.

The Times/CBS News poll differed somewhat from other recent surveys showing higher approval ratings for the president. In surveys for USA Today and CNN conducted Friday through Sunday, 42 percent approved of how Mr. Bush was doing his job and gave Democratic Congressional candidates less of an edge. The Times/CBS News poll was conducted by telephone Thursday through Monday with 1,206 adults nationwide and had a margin of sampling error of plus or minus three percentage points.

According to the poll, terrorism and the war in Iraq hold about equal importance in the minds of Americans. Forty-six percent said the administration had concentrated too much on Iraq and not enough on terrorists elsewhere, while 42 percent said the balance was about right.

The opinion of 51 percent that the war in Iraq was separate from the war on terror was a considerable shift from polls taken in 2002 and the first half of 2003, when a majority regarded Iraq as a major antiterror front. As recently as June, opinion was split: 41 percent said the war in Iraq was a major part of the fight against terror, and 41 percent said it was not a part at all. Now only 32 percent consider it a major part of the terror fight, while 12 percent rate it a minor part.

â??Iâ??m just not sure thereâ??s a connection between terrorism and the war in Iraq,â?� Ann Davis, a Republican homemaker in Lima, Ohio, said in a follow-up interview to the survey. She said that she supported United States troops but that â??we should not be over there, they should be able to figure it out on their own.â?�

Another Republican, Marty Woll, 56, a retired accountant from Los Angeles, said he saw a clear link between the war and efforts to combat terrorism.

â??Iraq was obviously not the precipitating location for the 9/11 attacks,â?� Mr. Woll said, â??but if you look at the Middle East as a whole, you see it has been spawning the most violent and the most desperate of the attacks. Saddam Hussein killed almost a million of his own people. That magnitude indicated that someone had to do something about it.â?�

Mr. Bushâ??s inability to improve his overall rating despite gains on the terror issue could be traced to people like Lucia Figueroa, 23, an independent from Fort Drum, N.Y., who supports the president on terrorism but faults him elsewhere.

â??Even though I approve of the way Bush is handling terrorism,â?� Ms. Figueroa said, â??he isnâ??t putting enough focus on other issues, like health care and Katrina, and those things need more attention.â?�

As recently as Monday, Mr. Bush, in a news conference, defended the invasion of Iraq as essential to preventing domestic terror attacks and said he expected troops to stay there through the rest of his presidency.

â??If you believe that the job of the federal government is to secure this country,â?� he said, â??itâ??s really important for you to understand that success in Iraq is part of securing the country.â?�

Democrats in recent weeks have tried to portray the war in Iraq as a distraction from essential antiterror initiatives, and the poll indicates that the message may be working. Democrats say the war has sapped resources from tracking terrorists and bolstering domestic security.

â??We took our eye off the real war, the war on terror,â?� Senator Harry Reid of Nevada, the Democratic leader, said in a conference call with reporters on Tuesday.

Democrats have said the Bush administration should have kept its focus on Al Qaeda instead of moving against Mr. Hussein and suspected weapons of mass destruction.

The publicâ??s judgment on the job Congress is doing remains largely negative, with 60 percent disapproving. Forty-seven percent of the registered voters surveyed said they expected to vote for a Democrat for the House in November; 32 percent said they would vote for a Republican. The poll could not measure the races in individual Congressional districts, but the findings were indicative of the two partiesâ?? relative strengths.

Those surveyed said that after terrorism and the war in Iraq, the economy was the third most crucial issue for leaders to concentrate on, followed by health care costs and gas prices. The White House has sought more credit for what it considers a strong economy, and there has been an improvement in how the public views Mr. Bush on this issue. But the overall impression is still negative.

Thirty-five percent said they approved of how Mr. Bush was dealing with the economy, up five percentage points from a CBS News poll conducted last week; 58 percent disapproved. Over all, 52 percent of those surveyed said the national economy was in good condition, and 47 percent said it was in bad condition.

With the recent fighting in Lebanon, the public is more pessimistic about the possibility of peace between Israel and its neighbors. Only 26 percent of those surveyed could envision Israel and the Arab countries settling their differences, while 70 percent could not â?? a figure up six percentage points from last month.

Most of those surveyed, 56 percent, said they did not believe that the country had a responsibility to help resolve the conflicts between Israel and other Middle Eastern countries, while 39 percent said it did.

Carl Hulse reported from Washington for this article, and Marjorie Connelly from New York. Megan Thee and Marina Stefan contributed reporting from New York.
http://www.nytimes.com/2006/08/23/washington/23poll.html?hp&ex=1156305600&en=5006a58a278049e4&ei=5094&partner=homepage

[Mark Bryan]

We need people like Gatewood Galbraith http://www.gatewood.com/speech.html or Chris Conrad www.chrisconrad.com to run! :rasta: :pimp: :thumbsup:

[Mark Bryan]

Add to that the newly revived Hemp For Victory program and you WIN!:thumbsup:

[DoctorCubensis]

Neither Bush nor the Iraqi war are very popular with Americans these days, according to a recent poll conducted by the NY Times and CBS News.



I hated Bush and the war before it was cool to hate Bush and the war.

Lawl.

[Oneironaut]

I don't support any "country" or government. I would like to see all artificial borders between peoples abolished. Unfortunately, I am forced to live in some state or another, so I'm here for the moment. If you don't like it, you can leave my general vicinity.

Once I get enough funds though, I hope to move abroad to a place like the Netherlands or something. Europe is decades ahead of us in social progress; I'll still be subject to the dictates of the capitalists and the state, but at least I'd be in a place with legal weed, legal prostitution, legal gay marriage, less religion, and other things that make that place freer than the US.