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eg420ne
08-28-2006, 05:00 PM
The 9/11 Chronicles: Destroying a Crime Scene
By Bill Hare
08/26/2006 07:54:25 PM EST

One leading political light from 9/11 singled out by the mainstream media for supreme heroism was New York Mayor Rudolph Giuliani. The effort has succeeded to the point where Guiliani is currently being boomed in many of these same media circles as a potential Republican presidential nominee for 2008.
Giuliani has made the media mainstream adulation blitz easier through his penchant of parading as an all-purpose, All-American nice guy, wearing his New York Fire Department cap with grassroots relish except for those occasions when he visits Yankee Stadium.

In those instances Giuliani switches to a Yankee cap and becomes one of the happy crowd as he enjoys the sport called America's favorite pastime and roots for the home team.

When it comes to 9/11, the very crisis that prompted the Giuliani national boomlet, however, many questions remain unanswered. Some of the most disturbing questions arise from the discovery and subsequent comments of Scott Forbes, someone who should have become a household name had the mainstream media done its job properly and raised important questions that have been largely left begging.


Scott Forbes was an employee of Fiduciary Trust, a firm located on floors 90 and 94-97 of the South Tower of the World Trade Center. Forbes reported that over the weekend of September 8-9, 2001, floors 50 and above of the South Tower experienced a power down, meaning that all electrical currents were shut off for about 36 hours.
The officially stated reason was that the electrical cables in the building were being upgraded.


In that Forbes functioned as a senior database administrator in charge of Fiduciary Trust's computer division, he was entrusted to shut down the company's computers before the shut down occurred. After the power down he had to turn the computers back on and restore service to the network.

Because there was no electric power above the fiftieth floor there were also no security cameras or security locks. There were many outside engineering personnel, however, coming and going in and out of the tower all weekend.

Forbes lived near the World Trade Center in Jersey City. When he viewed the conflagration of 9/11 from his home he immediately related it to the events of the previous weekend. Anyone seeking further information concerning Forbes and his observations can do so on the Web at www.serendipity.li/wot/forb es01.htm).

Giuliani looms large in the period following the conflagrations. Prior to carefully cultivating an image of someone above and beyond contemporary politics and a larger than life American cult hero, Guiliani served in the Justice Department during the Reagan years.

To tamper with a crime scene is a felony. Whenever an act of arson occurs police representatives would be expected to arrive to quickly service and seal off the area. As anyone schooled in criminal justice realizes, it is imperative to preserve crime scenes intact to assist further investigation and potential criminal prosecution.

In the case of 9/11, we had a series of explosions at the most famous symbol of American capitalism, the World Trade Center. So what was trained prosecutor Giuliani's response, the same Giuliani who was U.S. Attorney for the district embracing New York City, the nation's largest metropolis?
Giuliani brought in Controlled Demolition, the same highly suspect firm which had completed the destruction of the Murtagh Federal Building in Oklahoma City in 1995, disposing of all evidence in the process. The contract that was let just 11 days after 9/11 empowered Controlled Demolition to recycle the steel of the World Trade Center.



As 9/11 official verdict critic Webster Tarpley noted, "Guiliani has not had a word to say about this in his memoirs. The city accepted rock-bottom prices for the steel; the priority was to make it disappear fast."

The steel was transported quickly to China, ending any opportunity to run any tests in connection with ascertaining how the 9/11 explosions may have occurred.

Meanwhile a nifty political dodge occurred whereby Giuliani and loyal neocon spear carriers such as John Lehman, a 9/11 Commission member and a former Secretary of the Navy under Ronald Reagan, pursued a divide and conquer strategy by pitting police and fire department authorities against each other.

The divide and conquer strategy was designed to get the Cheney-Bush Administration off the hook and prompt the citizenry to look elsewhere rather than follow the evidence. This side of the story will be examined in the next episode.
http://www.politicalcortex.com/story/2006/8/26/195425/883

thcbongman
08-28-2006, 05:08 PM
You know the basics of essays is to give footnotes in references. How can you actually believe that crap without them providing sources? An email dated 3 years later doesn't count. If there was indeed a power shutdown, there would be an internal communications email stating the reasons why. Not to mention it would be collaborated by others as well.

Out of all the employees that worked in WTC, only 1 came forward about this....3 years later. Hilarious.

eg420ne
08-28-2006, 05:14 PM
It is hilarious that people believe what their government tells them

thcbongman
08-28-2006, 05:24 PM
Instead of believing the "government" you choose to believe some joker for who you know could be some beat writer, composing fiction in his basement.

At least the government, which employees are people themselves, and not phantoms as you deceipt, provide basic factual evidence. Whether some information has been omitted is another story. File a FOIA request, at least they provide you with statistical information, not unsourced essays with the context manipulated.

eg420ne
08-28-2006, 05:35 PM
Well i do believe this dude i have heard it on 911 & after 911

In that Forbes functioned as a senior database administrator in charge of Fiduciary Trust's computer division, he was entrusted to shut down the company's computers before the shut down occurred. After the power down he had to turn the computers back on and restore service to the network

eg420ne
08-28-2006, 05:39 PM
But you'll believe a story of them cavemen with boxcutters though....ooooh thats right, our loving government via its corporatenewswhores told you sooooo

thcbongman
08-28-2006, 05:43 PM
Well i do believe this dude i have heard it on 911 & after 911

In that Forbes functioned as a senior database administrator in charge of Fiduciary Trust's computer division, he was entrusted to shut down the company's computers before the shut down occurred. After the power down he had to turn the computers back on and restore service to the network

If you are right and I'm wrong, prove it. Provide documentation. I have no problem being proved wrong. The problem is whether you can do it without resorting to Ad Hominem attacks.

shilling
08-28-2006, 05:56 PM
Where was NORAD for two hours?

Why did it take Bush over 15 minutes to get up off his kindergarten chair?

What happened to the Pentagon Missile Defence System?

What happened to the remains of the plane that hit the pentagon?

How did some of the "alleged" bombers turn up alive in the middle east?

What happened to innocent until proven guilty? Just coz bush says "they did it" does NOT make ANYONE guilty. OR in your mind it does perhaps?

I think that taking any official view that, "he did it!" is very easy and convenient.

The onus is now on the Bush administration to prove that they DIDN'T do it, and it WAS in fact some jihadist biyaches who did it.

graymatter
08-28-2006, 09:12 PM
But you'll believe a story of them cavemen with boxcutters though....ooooh thats right, our loving government via its corporatenewswhores told you sooooo

Hey, you're from Syria... Everyone over there walks around wearing bombs on their heads. It's a fact! Just look up the Danish cartoonists that documented it.

DoctorCubensis
08-28-2006, 10:34 PM
You should read up on the destruction of the MLK crime scene, how bushes were cleared, walls erected, etc

http://www.whatreallyhappened.com

Dizz-Oh!
09-01-2006, 06:12 AM
pay no attention to the man behind the curtain...

Euphoric
09-10-2006, 08:22 AM
http://www.loosechange911.com/

Breukelen advocaat
09-10-2006, 08:48 AM
"Dedicated to exposing the Lies, Distortions, and Myths in the Movie Loose Change", Loose Change debunking:
http://screwloosechange.blogspot.com/

http://www.ccdominoes.com/lc/LooseChangeGuide.html


National Institute of Standards and Technology (http://wtc.nist.gov)

http://www.debunking911.com/

http://www.historyofjihad.org/future.html

Euphoric
09-13-2006, 06:02 AM
"Dedicated to exposing the Lies, Distortions, and Myths in the Loose Breukelen advocaat" Breukelen debunking:

http://home.comcast.net/~tpochmara/images/retard.jpg

Breukelen advocaat
09-13-2006, 07:48 AM
"Dedicated to exposing the Lies, Distortions, and Myths in the Loose Breukelen advocaat" Breukelen debunking:

http://home.comcast.net/~tpochmara/images/retard.jpg



Maybe youâ??re "Eurphoric", but you have a long way to go to learn critical thinking, along with the young men that made Loose Change. I've never heard one person in New York City express those conspricacy theories, and I've been there on 9/11, and since. You can call people names, just like the makers of Loose Change, Jason Bermas and Dylan Avery, did in a debate with David Dunbar and Jim Meigs of Popular Mechanics - but it doesn't help your case one bit. It's just a sign of immaturity. Those young men came off like total losers.


9/11 Debate: Loose Change Filmmakers vs. Popular Mechanics Editors of "Debunking 9/11 Myths"

The Video is on this webpage. It's about 40 minutes:
http://www.democracynow.org/article..../09/11/1345203

Breukelen advocaat
09-13-2006, 08:06 AM
If the link above does not work, here it is:

http://www.democracynow.org/article.pl?sid=06/09/11/1345203

jamstigator
09-13-2006, 12:24 PM
Ya can't prove a negative. If the conspiracy dudes think they have a better theory, it's up to them to provide the evidence to substantiate their theory. The problem they have, of course, is that there is no evidence to substantiate their theories, which does leave them in a bit of a bind.

There are apparently a fair number of people who can't differentiate between real evidence and the stuff that pours out of Alex Jones' mouth, however. Those people are his target audience of course, as they make him the most money. I don't really blame him. I mean, if I could make up stuff and get rich off the ignorance of others, I'd probably do it too. Well, maybe not, but I'd at least consider it, if the amount of money was large enough.

BTW, there were airplane parts found at the Pentagon. Not to mention many witnesses who saw the plane come in, hit the ground, and then plow into the side of the building. But who knows, maybe some kind of mysterious rays were used on the witnesses to make them just THINK they saw a big plane. Or maybe, just maybe, they saw a plane because there was one. That'd kind of explain the plane parts found scattered around the area too.

graymatter
09-14-2006, 03:11 AM
Where was NORAD for two hours?
Conducting cold war war games, like they always do

Why did it take Bush over 15 minutes to get up off his kindergarten chair?
Because he's stupid and needed time to figure out he was the dude in charge

What happened to the Pentagon Missile Defence System?
Nothing, they track missles not planes

What happened to the remains of the plane that hit the pentagon?
The materials were salvaged, reprocessed and given to Haliburton and Bechtel

How did some of the "alleged" bombers turn up alive in the middle east?
They were wrongly alleged?

The onus is now on the Bush administration to prove that they DIDN'T do it, and it WAS in fact some jihadist biyaches who did it.
Fuck, does anyone else know about this? This is huge!

Sorry, couldn't resist.