needing clone help?????? (what to do....)

[ronjohn420]

okay heres my dilemma, i had started some plants in my room (around 6.25.06) and they did good for about 4 weeks. Then some shit came down and i had to move my grow out doors. well i have 2 plants outside that are about 52 inches and are flowering and i can see that its a girl (pistils visible)....Although they are growing very fast and starting to be possibly visible (its outgrowing a fence behind a someones house) . So i would like to clone it so if it gets stolen or killed ill still have female plants. ive only grown from seed and do not have clone knowledge, should i cut a "side stem" or the top of the plant or what? i have a idea, but just need someone to verify... im thinking of just cutting a side stem and putting some clone powder on it and stickin it in the dirt???

ps. pics are of it while indoors (07.26.06)

[kush07]

Clones need to be taken from side branches. The branchs you want to take them from are the lower branches as well. Gel rooting solutions work best for inducing rooting. You need to get some Jiffy Pelets and put them indoors. Trim the cut stem down to a few leafs and cut the tips of the remaining leafs. Clones also need at least 18 hours of light to root so indoors is the only way to go for clones. It will also be harder for you to take clones because it is in the flowering stage as well because you must shift the hormones entirely back to the veg. stage.

Also, you can LST your plant to give it a lower profile.

Happy Toking :rasta:

[BLaQLiGhT]

Is that just one plant in the pot?

[ronjohn420]

ive got 2 plants (which are the 2 im ref. to). I know that gel is the way to go on the root stim. but all i have is wal-mart and they only stock powder there... other than that, i went out and started "training" the plants by hanging a weight from the top to curve its growth to the sides and im gonna cut the clones now....

[L0r6dIN6faM6ous]

cut clones at 45 degree angle from a side branch.

put clone in cloning gel as soon as you take it to make sure no air gets in there..

put clone in propogation dome for 2-3 weeks till it roots, spray 3 or 4 times a day.

anymore questions lemme know

[ronjohn420]

thanks alot (so far) what i cut last night was 3 leaf stems (will they work..??), and today i cut a branch off the bottom and took it inside, inspected it for bugs,etc. and made another stem cut on the clone (the outside cut wasnt as clean cut as i wanted it to be) so i mad another cut with a "xact-o" blade and sprayed water on it then dipped it in shultz "take root" powder and planted

ps: in the first 20 minutes my clone started to look saggy and dying, is this normal? ill post pics after work

[dusto2k3]

yeah dude check out this post.

http://boards.cannabis.com/showthread.php?t=79641

Those are mine, i did 'em a couple of days ago. Now i have new leaves popping up. I'll post new pics.

[ronjohn420]

thanks dust..... here are the pics, 1 & 2 are the leaf stems, and 3 is the branch (now looking wilted)

am i on the right page here....huh?

[BLaQLiGhT]

thanks dust..... here are the pics, 1 & 2 are the leaf stems, and 3 is the branch (now looking wilted)
am i on the right page here....huh?

When you say 1 & 2 are the leaf stems, did you just cut of the leaf from the plant? If so, thats not how you clone and they will most likely die. piC 3 seems to be right. You cut off a branch that has a couple leaves on it and the powder works fine, you don't hav to worry about that...

[dusto2k3]

well, i'd use the take root. I don't think superthrive is for rooting, mainly for transplanting. THats what i have gotten out of this. i dont think you want to put too many nutes into the little clones.

Get one on those little green houses at wal mart. Try for the 10 inch high one.

Even though it looks wilted, it might live. Keep an eye for new growth. Ours loked like they were gonna die, but they are strong.

It looks like you put the clone pretty far into the dirt. I'm not sure how deep its supposed to go. maybe L0r6dIN6faM6ous can answer this.

You should look into getting rockwool or something to clone in. I think its better than soil. I've read a lot of these posts about cloning on here. I could be totally wrong.

All i know is it looks like 20 out of 20 of mine are gonna live. Fingers are crossed

[ronjohn420]

hey thanks guys... i got some misleading advice from someone about how you can use leaf stems and cut the tips and they will sprout....????


here is my 2 new clones, you can see the first one (old pic 3) still wilted and dying (but im tryin to save it)

and as far as rockwool or jiffy pucks go... i cant get them here unless in drive like a hour away so im stuck with wally world

tell me what you think

[L0r6dIN6faM6ous]

you did it rite that time, thats wat i tried to say b4, i shouldve should u with pictures or sumthing i guess..

you need domes.

cut the bottoms off pepsi bottles, put them over the clones, and keep florescencts above them all, and spray them with distilled water three times a day. this will give them humidity.. do it for about 2-3 weeks till they start looking better.

[dusto2k3]

njice, well you'll know if they take.

Give it like 3 days and you should see improvement., If some yellowing occurs, dont worry, just look for new growth.

[Jdog7000]

Hahaha!!!!
That was funny.
The leaf in the dirt!!!
Classic.

[L0r6dIN6faM6ous]

L0L

I did laugh about that one myself a little..

[ronjohn420]

Hahaha!!!!
That was funny.
The leaf in the dirt!!!
Classic.

:D hey man... im new at clones, ive always grown from seed. But now i need smoke alittle quicker this time around so.....

pratice makes perfect, now that i know better im laughing at it my self

thanks guys, ill keep you posted

[ronjohn420]

hey everyone!!!! bads news and i dont think its normal.....

my clones leaves are yellowing and starting to shrivel (no pics, im at work)
I CUT THESE ON 8.27.06
here are the conditions: closet space 2'wide x 2'long x 6ft. tall
my temp ranges 79'F-86'F and humidity is around 34%-41%
i have a fan on top of the grow box blowing in at 55-135 cfm. (depending on fan speed)

and im misting them about 3-5 times daily and keeping the potting soil damp, i have a 1 dome for 2 clones that i switch between the clones every 6-12 hrs. (the dome has 1 1.5 inch hole in it)

why are these things yellowing and shriviling????? but the stems still green and so are 2small leaves

is it humidity (what %should i be at)

by the way lighting is 6 48" floro tubes (2 of 6 are grow tubes) and 1 13watt cfl over the clones


WHAT TO DO
!!!!!

[dusto2k3]

dude mine did the same thing. Are there new leaves growing. It seemed to me that the big ones fed the clone until the roots got going or something close to that.

here's what mine looked like...or they still look like this but i see roots now.

http://boards.cannabis.com/showthread.php?t=79641

Ron, do yours look similar?

[dusto2k3]

Ron, scroll to the bottome of the thread, you will see my latest pictures.

[mendokid]

I saw the pics dust but it should be noted rockwool and dirt act a bit different.

Just like Dusto2k3 implied clones with yellowing leaves are often a sign they have sprouted roots. With some cuts I have seen roots in as little as 6 days, but with others I have waited over a month before seeing roots.

I hope they are being covered by some sort of humid-dome yes?

Also I noticed when cloning in dirt cuttings take slightly longer to root. As long as they are alive just give them love they should take. On a positive note, dirt rooted clones will be less susceptible to nutrient deficiencies.

FYI I too have cloned just one leaf and got it to root! So that is what I had for a while, one big fat leaf with a huge root structure.

[dusto2k3]

Mendo, i plan on moving them into canna or something, you think thats an issue?

[L0r6dIN6faM6ous]

hell yea mendo

did the leaf grow any bigger?

[ronjohn420]

hey everyone!!!! bads news and i dont think its normal.....

my clones leaves are yellowing and starting to shrivel (no pics, im at work)
I CUT THESE ON 8.27.06
here are the conditions: closet space 2'wide x 2'long x 6ft. tall
my temp ranges 79'F-86'F and humidity is around 34%-41%
i have a fan on top of the grow box blowing in at 55-135 cfm. (depending on fan speed)

and im misting them about 3-5 times daily and keeping the potting soil damp, i have a 1 dome for 2 clones that i switch between the clones every 6-12 hrs. (the dome has 1 1.5 inch hole in it)

why are these things yellowing and shriviling????? but the stems still green and so are 2small leaves

is it humidity (what %should i be at)

by the way lighting is 6 48" floro tubes (2 of 6 are grow tubes) and 1 13watt cfl over the clones


WHAT TO DO
!!!!!



alright guys..... heres the poor plants.......

is there anything i can do to save them :confused:

pic 1 was them at the beginning
the rest are of today 9.2.06 5.30pm EST

[Stickyplant]

I know NOTHING about cloning... but I am going to try it very shortly, so I am watching your thread carefully.

That being said, common sense states that as long as they root, you can let the leaves keep dying. In an instance like this, your plant "COULD" be using nutes from the leaves to grow roots.

I had a plant where every single leaf fell off after turning yellow, then bown. I swear, I had a stick...lol there were some VERY VERY tiny green bumps (leafs). I mean you really had to look to find them.

It came all the way back and was beautiful.

This does not answer your question, but... just hope the roots are there, if they are, these plants can take a hell of a beatin'

[orangeman]

The humidity should be at 60% atleast and a fan shouldnt be blowing on them. First off people claim clones going straight into soil doesnt have a very high success rate anyways so you should try to buy some rockwool cubes and work with those. Secondly you should try to keep the plants as humid as possible but let them breath for a few minutes everyday. Also do you have any opening on the top that your putting over the clones?

[ronjohn420]

The humidity should be at 60% atleast and a fan shouldnt be blowing on them. First off people claim clones going straight into soil doesnt have a very high success rate anyways so you should try to buy some rockwool cubes and work with those. Secondly you should try to keep the plants as humid as possible but let them breath for a few minutes everyday. Also do you have any opening on the top that your putting over the clones?

thanks oj man...lol anyways, yeah i know the humidity needs to be higher. but its dry climate in florida, how can i bring it up????

and i cant get jiffy pucks or rockwool because i dont have a grow shop or anything where i live so im stuck with wal-mart

i was considering putting a "simmering pot" with water in there to bring humidity up.... what to do

btw... the mother is 2 1/2 weeks into flowering and is looking very healthy.... i cant give pics because my dig. cam broke and all i have is a web cam

ill keep you posted

[phillykid]

"Cloning" from

Jorge Cervantesâ?? Ultimate Grow DVD

http://rapidshare.de/files/24514341/Jvid5.rar.html

[ronjohn420]

link doesnt work phillykid.....

ill see if i can download it on limewire

ps.. and orangeman... the only reason i have a fan going is because its my main room and the heat is too much.... ie: no fan = 95-105'F

[smoky mcpot 05]

Okay, First I hope your open to my advice.

Second, Your plants that you moved out will probably do better outdoors. Remember to harden off first or their going to get off to a slow start.

Third, about your tall girl, LST her either by anchoring the base (shouldn't need it at that stage) and then pulling her down, ever so slowly (is key especially durning your stage) the opposite direction from your anchor, until she is parallel to the ground. Or below the fence line where you want her. Or you can LST with my method which is tieing off at the first few nodes down from the top and then tieing off at the first few nodes up from the bottom. Making A 'S' hook type shape. This method in my experience, works better and creates a more sturdy, bigger plant.

Fourth, take your clone(s) from the oldest growth. Meaning the closer the branch is to the ground the better. As these plants have the most hormones, to increase chance of clone survival and quickly rooting, reverse foliar feed with plain water about 5-6 days ahead of taking the clone(s), this will do two things reduce the amount of Nitrogen and building the amount of carbohydrates both of which will improve clone rooting time. I suggest that you keep your clones in high humidity and out of direct intense light, meaning that I would not recommend putting them outside in the dirt. You want as much of as stable clean pest free, diease free, humid enviroment as possible.

Well I hope my time here hasn't been a waste. Good Luck and Happy Growing, Stay Safe!

Love and Peace

[phillykid]

u sure?? its working fine..imo its one the best grow vids i've seen because its so visual and step by step. try again...hit the free button at the bottom and wait a minute or two for the download. that link is just cloning section by the way.

[orangeman]

link doesnt work phillykid.....

ill see if i can download it on limewire

ps.. and orangeman... the only reason i have a fan going is because its my main room and the heat is too much.... ie: no fan = 95-105'F

Ah, ok and also you should re-try that link. Maybe your not reading what you should be :p. That link definitely works. I just downloaded.

Also phillykid do you have a link to this whole movie? I've been looking all over for this guys movie. It's always good to get as much knowledge as I can. If you have any info please e-mail me at [email protected]

[phillykid]

yea yea i know rapidshare sucks but heres it goes :rasta:

http://rapidshare.de/files/24512383/Jvid1.rar.html
http://rapidshare.de/files/24512882/Jvid2.rar.html
http://rapidshare.de/files/24513386/Jvid3.rar.html
http://rapidshare.de/files/24513903/Jvid4.rar.html
http://rapidshare.de/files/24514341/Jvid5.rar.html
http://rapidshare.de/files/24514791/Jvid6.rar.html
http://rapidshare.de/files/24515198/Jvid7.rar.html

[phillykid]

last video is hash making by the way

[orangeman]

RapidShare doesnt suck, I have adsl so I just disconnect and reconnect and I can use RapidShare all over again :D.

[orangeman]

RapidShare doesnt suck, I have adsl so I just disconnect and reconnect and I can use RapidShare all over again :D.

Btw I love you for the link! I've been waiting for this for a long time!

[ronjohn420]

Okay, First I hope your open to my advice.

Second, Your plants that you moved out will probably do better outdoors. Remember to harden off first or their going to get off to a slow start.

Third, about your tall girl, LST her either by anchoring the base (shouldn't need it at that stage) and then pulling her down, ever so slowly (is key especially durning your stage) the opposite direction from your anchor, until she is parallel to the ground. Or below the fence line where you want her. Or you can LST with my method which is tieing off at the first few nodes down from the top and then tieing off at the first few nodes up from the bottom. Making A 'S' hook type shape. This method in my experience, works better and creates a more sturdy, bigger plant.

Fourth, take your clone(s) from the oldest growth. Meaning the closer the branch is to the ground the better. As these plants have the most hormones, to increase chance of clone survival and quickly rooting, reverse foliar feed with plain water about 5-6 days ahead of taking the clone(s), this will do two things reduce the amount of Nitrogen and building the amount of carbohydrates both of which will improve clone rooting time. I suggest that you keep your clones in high humidity and out of direct intense light, meaning that I would not recommend putting them outside in the dirt. You want as much of as stable clean pest free, diease free, humid enviroment as possible.

Well I hope my time here hasn't been a waste. Good Luck and Happy Growing, Stay Safe!

Love and Peace

def. not a waste of time..... thank you smoky, and i didnt anchor the plant yet, but i have had a 2.5 oz. weight on it to train it to grow out. but i will anchor it... i think it would be better

and as far as pre-cut feeding.... i use natural spring water with a mild mix of superthrive in it....ive laid off the shultz 10-52-10 for a while, plus its been raining latley so i think theve been "flushed" quite a bit latley

but 1 question...... ive cut 3 so far.. how many can i cut (these are already 2 wks in flowering) and starting to produce a main cola

if i can ill cut like 2 more.....

thanks smoky and everyone else who has helped (lord6in6fa6mous, cole , jamstgator, dyrst and evryone else)

peace:thumbsup:

[dusto2k3]

how do i get those for free, they want me to pay after the first

[ronjohn420]

how do i get those for free, they want me to pay after the first

?????? are you ref. to the vids. ?

[smoky mcpot 05]

glad to hear it, since shes already starting her budding cycle the clones will take a little longer to root than norml, also take as many as you can from the lower branches as when taking clones from the budding cycle it also lowers survival rate. Your also benefiting your main colas growth by removing the lower spidly branches that don't receive adaquete lighting and suck energy away from the main cola. Also try to do it at night as auxin levels fall back into the roots at nights and if you lose them you can't get them back.

[dusto2k3]

yeah the vids

[ronjohn420]

apprciate it smoky, i did cut the last ones at night but i didnt know that tip...
so thanks, ill think ill cut some more tonight


btw guys, there not getting worse... stayin about the same with some green on top

[Pass That Shit]

I downloaded the free video but i don't have anything to open the RAR file.

Anyone have a link to download the player to see the vid I downloaded?

[dusto2k3]

videos are sick.

WinRAR is downloadable on downloads.com. It's another kind of .zip file

[Kaparski]

Hey, I have a question....

My plant is now in its pre-flower stage and ready to flower any time now. Im going to change around my nutes and lights for this stage. Question is, when would be a good time to get some clones from my plant? SHould I do it asap or wait a few weeks? The only kicker is that I dont have any rockwood cubes, only soil.

[orangeman]

Lol you dont have to pay for it. If you have ADSL or w/e just disconnect from the internet and reconnect and click the next link. Also I really dont think thats the whole video. I mean it might be but god damn it downloaded so quick and it's so high quality lol. I'm surprised. And also just go to www.crackdb.com to download a crack for WinRAR and download the latest releases for WinRAR at www.rarlabs.com

EDIT: If you dont have that video and want it you better take my advice and do it before some snitch reports the links and have them removed..

[AllInADaysWork]

Can someone answer Kaparskis question, I have the same issue as well

[dusto2k3]

from what i've read, you wanna clone b4 flowering.

[AllInADaysWork]

Shit....its my first day in flowering......would it still be an issue if I were to cut some stems tomorrow or on fri?

[ronjohn420]

:thumbsup:
Hey, I have a question....

My plant is now in its pre-flower stage and ready to flower any time now. Im going to change around my nutes and lights for this stage. Question is, when would be a good time to get some clones from my plant? SHould I do it asap or wait a few weeks? The only kicker is that I dont have any rockwood cubes, only soil.

alright man..... the answer is already on this thread posted by smokymcpot05. Yes you need to clone before flowering.... the reason is because when a plant begins to flower, is has a chemical change that occurs within it, and when you clone and put it under 18/6 it has to reverse that process and makes it take longer to root...
i hope that answers it:thumbsup:

now back on topic

my clones are doing better "i think" i trimmed the yellow leaves and stems (as shown in "ready-set-grow" DVD) and have them under domes (vented) and am begining to see a small green leaf forming (or maybe it was just there) and as far as pics... im at work now, and ive packed my camera (im moving) but i did borrow my friends camera and will have pics of the clone mother and of my clones......


ill post pics around 6.45pm 09.05.06

[ronjohn420]

Shit....its my first day in flowering......would it still be an issue if I were to cut some stems tomorrow or on fri?

youre fine.. it wont hurt the clone....... it will just take longer to root

see the veg. process uses alot of nitrogen , whrere the flowering process uses more phosphurous. when this happens (sorry im lacking detail) a very intense transformation happens and your clones have to take time to "revert" back to veg. state

thus making rooting a lengther process

[AllInADaysWork]

Alrite I attached some pics to make sure Im cutting the correct piece...I saw a thread somewhere with pics but I cant find it anymore.....

Also, Oasis cubes will suffice for the rockwood cubes correct?

I really appreciate the help! :)

[ronjohn420]

correct "allinadayswork" a that is perfect to the point, see i didnt know that you trim the leaves off the clone first ,(mine ended up falling off)



and here are teh pics as promised (the 1st isnt a good pic, my neighbors were outside and it is behind their fence) then my grow room and then the clones..


any advice on these clones.... still misting and keeping under dome, 18/6 light cycles and lots of love....

anything else

ps. the last pic is of a new seedling im growing outdoors with organic compost cow manure

[ronjohn420]

:thumbsup: and just since im in a "skippy" mood, id thought id show off some more of my mother plant, sorry the pics are of low quality (i havent got used to this damn thing yet)

ps. the last one isnt mine, i just like the "x-mas tree" look

[AllInADaysWork]

Holy crap! what strain / type of marijuana plant is that??? that looks amazing....


Hmmm Im having my doubts of flowering my plant now since cloning requires much time to prepare....its only been 1-2 days max since i started the 12/12 cycle...would it be fine if i switched back to 18/6 or would i risk my plant turning to hermies?

[ronjohn420]

i suppose you could. Alot of people flower their plants twice and do something called "revegging" with has to do with switching 12/12 back to 18/6 and then back to 12/12. But thats a whole nother story

so yes you can, just dont flower before you have "pre-flowers" because if you "force-flower" the plant, it can lead to hermes..

and as far as my strain, its just some good bag seed i got a long time ago.. it had a male in the same pot but i got that bitch and killed it, i have pics in the "recipies" forum , in the thread "[A SAD SAD DAY]"

:thumbsup: :thumbsup: hope this helps, ill keep you guys posted:thumbsup: :thumbsup:

[ronjohn420]

btw more pics


taken at midnight:pimp: :pimp: :pimp: :stoned: :stoned: :dance:

[AllInADaysWork]

Ya Im quite confident its in its preflower stage, pistils are all over the place and the leaves forming have a small yellow tint in the center of the clusters region, something Ive never seen before..... Ill probably leave it at 12/12 since I got my 2 clones from it but if they dont go well ill do a reveg.

thanks

[ronjohn420]

today im seeing some "growths" on the clones at the top "good news" *smiles*

im hoping to see them growing even more,

when do i take the domes off, my humidity is at 35-40%

?????????????????????

[L0r6dIN6faM6ous]

pics?

take the domes off when they have good roots :)

[L0r6dIN6faM6ous]

i wouldnt recamend using oasis cubes..

not the best thing to use..

[AllInADaysWork]

Well first day with the clones and the leaves are looking 'up' :) After I dosaged them with more mist they settled down again. Cloning isn't as hard as I thought it would be.

I guess the use of Oasis cubes are up to the owner....that documentry that i downloaded (great shit, check it out in the previous page) recommend rockwood, coconut cubes, oasis, and a couple others. Whichever gets the roots going is fine by me.

[ronjohn420]

L0r6dIN6faM6ous i thought i wouldnt see you on here anymore,,,,lol

anyways, im in dirt- not cubes...... so i cant see the roots, what to do?????


keepin yall posted:thumbsup:

[AllInADaysWork]

as long as its growing I wouldn't worry about it :)

[Dazed4now]

correct "allinadayswork" a that is perfect to the point, see i didnt know that you trim the leaves off the clone first ,(mine ended up falling off)

ok man check it out if your leaves "fall" off then somethings def. wrong and you dont cut the leaves off the plant you trim the leaves about halfway down each blade to conserve on energy

you might wanna read and learn before attempting to help others ;)



so yes you can, just dont flower before you have "pre-flowers" because if you "force-flower" the plant, it can lead to hermes..
for the record force-flowering is switching your lights to 12/12, and that DOES NOT cause stress which causes herms
you dont have to have preflowers before you switch it to 12/12 just make sure its grown up past the 3rd or 4th node

[orangeman]

Ron just break down and buy the rockwool cubes on the link :p

http://www.discounthydro.com/growmediums.asp

[AllInADaysWork]

Well thats what I meant....It was a quick drawing so I didnt elaborate on what I meant

[Markass]

do you seem to have any problems in using foil as reflector? I thought it was a good idea, but I ended up burning several random holes in some of my leaves..

[ronjohn420]

ok man check it out if your leaves "fall" off then somethings def. wrong and you dont cut the leaves off the plant you trim the leaves about halfway down each blade to conserve on energy

you might wanna read and learn before attempting to help others ;)


for the record force-flowering is switching your lights to 12/12, and that DOES NOT cause stress which causes herms
you dont have to have preflowers before you switch it to 12/12 just make sure its grown up past the 3rd or 4th node

okay so you have taken great offence to what i said to you earlier in that other thread....

look, you are proving a false point in that 2nd quote

(yes it does cause hermes to grow because it stresses the plant into cross-pollination because it is tricked to think that winter is arriving soon and that it is too late to catch pollination from males)
-greg green (cannabis grow bible)

and you are correct in the 1st

although when your leaf is 40%crispy and another 40% is just yellow, it is a better idea to cut it because at that point the remaining 15-20% is doing no good and will die within 32hrs anyways

no offence (again) but please dont try to make me look like a idiot on my own thread

and anyways, they look good to me... (below)

thanks to everyone who made this possible..... ill keep yall posted:thumbsup

markass.. i did have those prob.. but turn the shiny side out.... helped me...:stoned:

[AllInADaysWork]

Well said, ronjohn420

Ill post some pics of my clones as soon as I get a hold of a camera.

[ronjohn420]

Well said, ronjohn420

Ill post some pics of my clones as soon as I get a hold of a camera.

cool deal, im looking foward to seeing your babies...


show em off'

and markass..., sorry i ment shiny side in, dull side out

[Markass]

cool deal, im looking foward to seeing your babies...


show em off'

and markass..., sorry i ment shiny side in, dull side out

Hmm, didn't think of that...Yeah, I got home after I put foil around my plants hoping to give the lower leaves/branches a bit more light...and several of my leaves had gotten minor burns on them...I was like WTF, mate? I then ripped the foil out...lol

[AllInADaysWork]

ya u have to use the non shiney side...i learned the same way u did

[ronjohn420]

yeah thanks you guys.....


heres the update

clone 1: having great gowth and good root structure

clone 2: have moved to hydro bucket, and shocked roots when removed from soil and roots soaked... has recently been recovering

and as far as the mother, i had to anchor her down sideways and trim her up... but its goin good as well........... check out these pics