CFL Cab Grow Log...

[kdspecial]

My First grow went ok but now I have a better setup. Since I learned all i know from here. I thought My second go around I would share to learn more myself.

These are the plants after 1.5 weeks from Sprout. This part of my cab I decided to try the Home Depot route. 27W CFL 6500k 5 right now. In the top of the cab I have a T5 light. So far the T5 Grows faster even though the lummes output is matched with the HOme DepotLights. I believe this is because of the reflector the T5 has. Regardless Its working. Just slower.
Im thinking of repoting these plants but not sure If I really need to yet. I can see roots at the bottom of the pot. its a 4 inch pot I'd say. But just cuz I can see roots does that mean i repot it?

The Cab can get pretty hot at times but I think its working decent. I crank Ac in apartment so the temps stay between 72 and 87 I am excited to see how a organized grow works out for me. Heres some pictures, I am gonna do some detailed picture as I finish it.

Any help is greatly appreciated...

I hope i get some decent Smokeage.

[kdspecial]

Heres some more pictures.......

Ohh yeah some of my conditions, Comoputer fans bloing air in and out. Premiere pro Mix soil Not BX just seedlings and small plant mix. grow store was closed. I will be getting BX when I repot these plants.

No Nutes yet, After my Noob early nute burn last grow I dont want to give any nutes to early in this one.

kd

[kdspecial]

No One Likes My log,,, ewwwwwwww

[UnitedParcelSecrets]

Lower those lights, and get ready to transplant to bigger pots relatively soon. Looking okay so far though. Not great, but okay.

[kdspecial]

Cool,,

I transplanted the plants today into 6 inch pots. In the bottom of the old pots the roots were kinda wraped around eachother. So I think it was a good time to move em.

The plants are 2 inches from the lights now I think the Makshift Tin tray reflector is hurting the plants. As the plants that I put the reflector on seem to have taken a water burn hit or somthing. Almost like peeling of the top layer on the biger leafs. As the ones I dont have under the tin MAke Shift refelctor dont have this or have yet to show this. Im gonna leave it for a few more days and see if it continues. It hasn't showed up on any other new leaves. I am going to be more carful about watering the plants as well.

thanks for the comments Postal...

kd_special

[UnitedParcelSecrets]

The tin is reflecting heat. You should probably take that off now.

[kdspecial]

Yeah I figured as much. I have removed them as for 4 days now I havent noticed any faster growth anyways. Unfortunatly just burns. ha

I can't think of anything else that would work well as a reflector. besides a big one from a grow shop which I don't have space for.

Thanks kindly for all the help.


kd_special

[UnitedParcelSecrets]

Piece of wood with mylar on it?

[Montroso]

nice setup congrats! couple ?s. whats your area and what you expect as far as yeild? thanks and best of luck

[kdspecial]

Hey Thanks....

The Specs are 22inchs high x 16 deep x and 29 wide for the bottom part top part is 36 high,,, Computer fans Etc. home depot lighting for bottom Cab and T5 and side lighting for top of Cab,

The Strains are 1 boggle gum and the rest was called BlueJay.
As for yeild I have no idea what to expect I have only grown with 1000 HPS before so I am very interested.

Thanks for the tip about the Mylar and wood Postal.

kd_special

[pastor420]

Nice little cabinet kd! With fluorescents you really need to get them close. I keep my 85W CFL probably 1.5" from the plant it's over.

[kdspecial]

Yeha I have been putting them closer. But My temp can get to 85 at some points of the day, So I am afarid of burning them. But I have moved some closer than others and I do notice a difference in growth. I just dont wanna get too pushy. They are about 1.5 to 2 inches away from the planst at this time.

Thanks all

kd

[Pothead4204life]

looking good...can you move the lights closer?

[kdspecial]

looking good...can you move the lights closer?


im doing my best,,

the lights dont move I have to move the tray the plants sit on up. I made it this way so I could hopfully hold a small mother in 1/4 to half of the cab. (I havent made proper lighting for that yet).So i could cut 2 clones with the seedlings I start every 3 months or so.

kdspecial

[kdspecial]

The plants are looking pretty good I am getting ready to add some nutes soon. I am also thinking of topping one plant as an experiment. I have read they say not to top plants too early. but when I grew in College with some roomates the books we read said afte rthe 3rd node you can top and we did to a few and they all survived.

Im thinking about it. Im not gonna learn unless I try.

I built a makeshift reflector with a Rice Krispis Box and some white duct tape. Im just adding it to one light to see if it affects the plants in any way. So far it looks like in one night a Leaf that wasn't being hit hard my the light has stood right up. Could be a the reflector or just luck. I have felt to see if there is any extra heat and there is none so thats a good thing.

Here some pictures.

On a side thing I was wondering If anyone had any pictures of their CLF grows. I have only grown with a HPS bulb in the past so I am curious to see if CFLs can get the buds Crystally like an HPS. I know Hps is best so will CLFs get the buds say half as crystally?

Thanks Kindly

kd_special

[elcheapo]

Starting to look good KD. I've only grown indoors with CFLs and found it to be among the best weed I've ever smoked. I did find that my results using hydro were far better than soil though. In quality and quantity.
Just remember it doesn't matter how much light you shine on the plants; if they are in poor health the harvest will still be rubbish.
Here is a pic from a previous CFL grow.

[kdspecial]

Thanks Dude,,,, I learn a Little each day,, Your plant looks sweet, Im getting excited.

My PLants are looking Short and Stalky the leafs are getting nice and big. I am also pusing the light right at them, im talking like 1 inch at times. basically untill I have to move them, About every day and a half they have to be adjusted a little. But it makes a huge difference.

Thanks for lookin'

Ill get some picts after this Long weekend.


ElCheapo Whats your setup like? Cabnet or Closet? how Much Light? and What kinds? I think Ill stick to soil untill I geta few grows under my belt. Next summer Im gonna Try tomatoes on the Balcony in Hydro to learn then try it on my Cannabis.

kd_special

[elcheapo]

The setup I grew that in was a small cardboard box. 50cm deep x 40cm wide x 70cm high. Veg and first week flowering with a 23Watt 6500K CFL. Then I swapped it for a 48Watt 5000K CFL. For the last 3 weeks of flowering I added a second 48Watt 3000K CFL. So at any one time there were never more than 96Watts. Total yield bone dry was 2 ounces.
I switched to a simple homemade hydro setup after my first indoor soil grow. I found it was much easier and more rewarding.
I suggest finding some mylar to line all the surfaces. It will make a difference.
I'm working on a larger stealth cabinet at the moment and will post pics when it is done.

[kdspecial]

Yeha I was thinking Of getting Some Mylar to replace My White PLastic That I got from the Grow shop. I figured this stuff might be a bit better cuz it comes ina smaller amount seeing as I dont need much. But I have since learned Mylar is absolute best, I do believe my white plastic is better than Paint though. not too sure about that.

I think I will Mylar the top part of the cab(Flowering part) before it is time to move these plant in that part. Then when bottom is empty do the bottom part of the cab.

Basically White was cheeper for me cuz I don't need very much. But Mylar is alot better I believe..

can't wait to see your cab whn its done

kd_special

[bige]

kd, looking real good..

I picked up my "mylar" emergancy blanket at walmart in the camping department for 1.98 plus tax, it measures 52" X 84" not bad at all.. I had a problem finding it so I got some help, the guy said "what do you need this for" told him me & some friends are going hunting out west and it's good to be prepared LOL:stoned:

The packett it comes in is only like 3" x 5"

' bigE '

[sailfish7]

nice grow i just finished a cfl grow. 2 plants total yeild almost a half lb, yes half lb. and it was bag seed. used a 105 w cfl, 4 23w cfl, 2 45 w cfls. keep it up...:rasta:

[kdspecial]

I found a bug on one plant that I believe is eating the leaves. I sprayed with neem oil yesterday after killing the bug. Saw another one tonight killed it as well. I guess Ill keep spraying Neem oil. SO hopfully they will be gone. They are like, minature catapiller shaped bugs. They are Orangish yellow, the longest one i have seen so far is would be about half cm at the most. I believe they are eating the leaves, I always find them on the top of the leafs too. I have yet to see any bugs on the other plants.

you can spray need oil every 5 days or so correct?

I think there looking pretty good regardless. It gets hot somtimes but i think there pulling through it. I think I still overwater too, but they look so dry somtimes ha ha. every 3 days

Anyways Gotta jet

[kdspecial]

I saw the emrgency blanket this weekend at Zellers too. I wish i picked it up I was scared as it said keeps in heat. Lol At 2 bucks I should have grabed it anyways.

dang it....

kd_special

[kdspecial]

Is it better to train a plant (LST) during Veg growth or to do it once flowering has started, To make sure its nice and strong?

I want to tie a few down but am not sure if A. its the right time and B. Exactly how everyone wraps the plant down on the pot? Do they have hooks and tie them to wholes in the pot? Or tape them?

Is there a few items I could get form the store? proper string and hooks? etc.

Any help is greatly appreciated.

kd_special

[qdavid]

I haven't started to LST yet cause my babies are only 12 days old. But from what I've read they're old enough to start after the 4th or 5th node shows. I plan on using just packing string (cotton stuff I think, cause I've got a lot of it). I was going to use Scotch tape but experimented and found masking tape held a lot better to the pots. But another point is probably tieing like loose bow knots cause you will be untieing and retieing as the plant gets bigger.

[2ndtyme]

hey KD

can you tell me how you attached the CFL sockets to your cab? I have a bigger space (74" tall, 26" deep, 32" wide) but I'm going to do CFL and I want to attach them to a board or something that I can raise. I have NOOOO iea how to electrical stuff :) Are there double sockets like yours I can buy that have normal plugs attached that I can just plug in to the power strip?

thanks dude
2ndtyme

[kdspecial]

Cool thanks David I thought about it and decided with my next grow I am going to LST. I topped one though just to see what happens. It looks pretty cool.

I haven't updated in about a week or so. I have worked on the box like mad getting the top part ready. I should have taken a picture befroe the plants were moved to the top part of the cab. the plants were growing right into the lights. I spotted some male Sacs on 2 of the plants. I trashed them and it helped out with space too. I kept one plant in a small pot cuz i want to see what the diffrent yeild will be if there is any at all? perhaps it will make more sense to grow more in smaller pots. I can notice a huge diffrence in growth since they were replanted.

Now the bottom part is my attempt of cloning, I hope it works. If it doesn't ill grow from seed again and try again. I have the rockwell in plane water about1/8 inch deep and i soaked them first. I was scared of adding nutes so i didn't. I cut them under water and dipped them into the cloning gel. I put them in 24 hours ago 2 seem like they are reaching for light and the rest all look like ass. ill see,, I spray the dome and the plants a 2 times a day humidity is like 60 and over under the dome. The temp is 85 under the dome It almost makes me think they would be better off with out the dome The temps then are. 70-80C 45-55 humid. Ill see how it goes.

Here are some pictures.


hey KD

can you tell me how you attached the CFL sockets to your cab? I have a bigger space (74" tall, 26" deep, 32" wide) but I'm going to do CFL and I want to attach them to a board or something that I can raise. I have NOOOO iea how to electrical stuff :) Are there double sockets like yours I can buy that have normal plugs attached that I can just plug in to the power strip?

thanks dude
2ndtyme

I bought the cheep sockets and wired it to a shelve that cam with the cab because I had to put the exaust fan in a specific spot. that wouldn't allow me a movable light. I do wish I had one though. hahahah

Here is a pretty awsome link to make a light. Hooking up the regular sockets is very simple duder I sugest reading a quick how to circut on a light. Electricty flows in one direction. Just link all the light sockets together. I belive the sockets cost 1.50 at home depot and the doubler is somthing like 3 bucks.

you could also buy a power bar and plug the light sockets directly into the powerbar. You have to purchase the sockets that have 2 prongs on the back of them to plug into a normal wall socket. And in your case a powerbar. But thats getting pretty sketchy holding that to a board and stuff its bound to fall.


thats it the plants look ok. some leaf problems but they did have bugs and I sprayed 3 times and haven't seen any since. Perhaps that leaf problem is a by product of the little bugs. I dont see it on any of the newer leafs. I also think it could be that these plants haven't gotten enough only 1/8 strength, now its the fourth week. I didn't use anything but water when I repotted 4 days ago and it hasn't dried out yet one more day it will need a soak. A Root has already popped out of the side of the grow bag. I gently put it back in. I think thats a good sign. I am defintly not using grow bags next grow they are messy and not easy to move around a cab.

Any help is greatly appreciated....

Take her sleezy....

kd_special

[kdspecial]

The Topped plant...

kd

[kdspecial]

Here is a pretty awsome link to make a light.

http://boards.cannabis.com/showthread.php?t=37249&highlight=%2440+cfl

tired...............

[kdspecial]

No One Likes My plants. Or my Bad Clones. Is it ok to try and do Clones In a tuperware container? Or is a black try the best. I had to use the tray for the top of the cab. To make sure no water leaked out.

I thought the plants seemed ok/... Anyone?

Im lonely,,, and scared......

kd

[Loop]

dude they seem a bit wrecked.. but that's just my humble opinion :pimp:

[kdspecial]

Yeah The clones don't look happy at all. But There are 2 that stand stright up now and reach for light. The plants seem decent besides the yellowing on the leafs,

For my first grow that worked out Im pretty happy. but I appreciate your opinion.

kd

[invision]

you should have lst'ed floros almost need this to be used at thier best with time and patience you can create a masterpiece with your plant

http://boards.cannabis.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=87633&d=1158120006

[qdavid]

No One Likes My plants.
kd

That's not true. I like your plants. Those first 1 1/2 week-old pictures were just impressive. I'm doing that CFL thing too but mine only just started the 3rd set of leaves. Like half the size of yours. I think partly (or mostly) because I had to use some outdoor seeds I ordered but took over 3 mos. to get. I even had already ordered others but the first ones showed up (got the second order in the mail today actually) but planted those outside ones in my cab. anyway cause that's all I had. Now I'm kind of glad because cabs. are much more secure. Anyway, cloning is a real art, and not easy. I plan to try too. But I know if success happens first tme around, luck is involved.

[2ndtyme]

KD

thanks for all your advice, i looked at that thread on making the light and i admit it don't look THAT hard...ill try it someday but for now i think i will actually go with using a powerstrip/bar and plugging them directlyi nto it. i didn't know you could even buy sockets that plug into the wall casue i see no one on grow forums doing that (which i realize means its prob not ideal). i'm going to try it though so i appreciate the info, i'm sure i can rig the shit up so it wont fall.

OR maybe I could use a bathroom light fixure if i can find one that plugs right into the wall, how would that work?

OK about your plants- i was very impressed by your grow. i know nothing about neem oil, but i have read that you should LST during veg around the 5th node. youre clones do look very sad but take heart i hear it is a very difficult thing to do and takes much practice b4 one can get it right.
happy growing

[kdspecial]

Thanks Duders....

yeah I kinda bent the taller plant over tonight To match the size of the topped one. I plan to heavy lst my plants next grow. Im excited to see what happen with this grow.

3 clones are starting to stand up stright towards the light I hope it keeps happening. lol

Thanks guys

kd_special

[kdspecial]

Hello There...

So As of tonight I start flowering. Im pumped.

The clones looks crappy but a few have stood up and are reaching for light One looks really good, I almost think it has grown a little but that could just be my mind.

Heres some pictures.. My Freinds came over this afternoon I showed them aorund...

[kdspecial]

Size Does Matter,.,,

Check out the difference between pplant size with the pot size, these twpo plants are the same age started at the same time from seed. Last week I planted one in a 2G Grow Bag and left the other in the 6inch pot.

I interested in seeing the bud difference.

Also Pictures of the Topped plant... I had to pull the bigger plant down to match the height of the topped plant.

kd_special

[CityOfThunder]

You can use the neem oil about every 5 days yeah, but you don't want to do it forever. Caterpillers are tough, though, and you might need something stronger like anise, thyme or clove. Extracts of anise and clove both give a pretty quick kill, but like most essential oils, have very short residual periods. With the neem oil though, just be careful not to overapply because it can have long term effects on the plant.

[kdspecial]

Cool Thanks Man, I haven't used the neem oil for a good 2 weeks now as well i haven't seen the bugs. I was thinking of spraying once soon as a just incase spray. Before they get any buds on em as i just change dthe light. What kind of long term affects can neem oil have?

thanks for all your help Thunder

kdspecial

[CityOfThunder]

Well, I haven't used it on MJ before, but I have seen problems develop with soil pH (and eventually nute lockout) over long periods of regular application in landscaped gardens. But if you're making irregular applications (like less than once every two weeks), you won't build up enough in the soil, quick enough to make a difference.

Just read the directions, don't over-apply and you'll be just fine. Lookin' good, btw. :D

[kdspecial]

Yeah the neem oil seemed to work, plus I ditched a few plants that were suspect male. So less plants to worrie about and less plants for the bugs to live on.

im pumped to see what kind of bud these plants will give. I am thinking of adding a bit more light as well I am just trying to find the best way to plus the bulbs in so the don't take up lots of room in the already small box.

thanks for the Tips and comments.

kd_special

[kdspecial]

Day 4 flower....

They are strething like crazy I need to make my light movable, or continue to keep tying them down. Its getting Bushy in there...

kd_special

[lowryderulez]

Thats one frigin awesome set up! I like your plants as well, nice fat indica leaves

[kdspecial]

Yeah so far the setup was alkot of work but now that its all done and temps are good etc. I can just use the cab. the cloning is still a art i have to master but. Goibng fromm seed aint that bad cuz I can really only fit 3 in there anyways so 5 seeds each time. Seed sare 60 CAD for 10 at the store near by. It almost seems easier than cloning. plus ill have different strains all the time.

Thanks for the comments.,. Im getting excited soon Ill be able to see what 10,000 lummes will give me for a total 2.2 sqaure foot space the cab size is very small
I wish i could fit more light into there too , Im trying to figure out how I will, The side lighting i cool but the plants keep growing to it. so far and i have to tie thenm back
kd

[Dazed4now]

go get the emergency space blanket, it says it reflects heat but you have nothing putting off any heat, CFLs are very low in heat

[kdspecial]

Cool yeah I plan to buy some Mylar or blanket after this grow, The plants are growing pretty fast right now, So I don't totally think I even need Mylar unl;ess it will significantly help my buding stage. It took a long time to set this box up right. now that I have it right I don't wanna mess anymore with it. Atleast not untill its empty and IO can properly work in there. The duct tape for putting up the plastic worked pretty good but when I switch to mylar im gonna use a glue of some sort, Cuz tape wares out eventully.

thanks for the tips guys...

kd_Special

[kdspecial]

Well I woke up this morrning to a sad sight. My One big plant has turned Male on Me. And my other topped Plant seems tobe going that way as well. Im kinda discouraged. I need more seeds to start again. I still have one female but I left her in a smaller pot to see what pot size differences made in yeild. That was a bad one, I cut the bottom of her pot and placed her ina bigger one. I moved the one male out and left the other suspect male in. I am thinking about leaving them both in the cab to try and get some seeds sO i dont have to buy any more. Not sure how this will work out though. Its just a though. Since I only have one female I would rather have a buch of seeds instead of a bit of Bud

What do you guys think? Im sure sexing is a hard thing to do But I am gonna read some more on it then decide what to do.

Bottom line. 1st grow Nute Burn Killed all of em this gorw learned alot but got males. 3rd times a charm...hahahah im gonna go grab some more seeds again today and try try again... hmm I can't wait untill I have a house with some space to do a regular grow not a tiny Cabinet grow... ahh well. thats rnough out of me for today...

kd_special

[invision]

all you need to do is leave in the male for a few weeks( or until the balls open) then remove she will be pollinated but not to the point of swag

[kdspecial]

By "Swag" you mean be a full blown Seed giver?

When she is pollinated Do I get any weed or just a buch of seed sacs?


Thanks for the Help Ivision

Kd

[Loop]

I think you could just pollinate a branch of your female, so you'll get a bunch of seeds and a litlle bud also. Just don't pollinate the main cola (yeah,that's pretty obvious :D ) !!

I did it in my previous outdoor grow by collecting some pollen in a bag, putting a branch of my female plant in, SEALING the bag and shaking the branch. you just need to be aware that there's no air flowin inside your grow room or you're gonna fuck up everything.

You'll come up with a single branch (you decide which one is most suitable) of your female plant full of seeds and all the rest is nice sinsemilla for ya :thumbsup:

:stoned:

[kdspecial]

Hmm that sounds like A prett good idea. So just to double check you dont cut the branch off the plant you just Bag it up correct?

I think I could manage that. I got some new seeds today. They didn't have the ones I was looking for so I went with a cheeper batch they are..

Blueberry x Haze Special From "Growers Choice" some place in Canada don't know where - the Head Shop sells them.

Should be better than the shit on the streets regardless. I hope they are nice.. Thankls for all the help guys, If I am able to polinate succesfully. I will have a cross of Boggle Gum(Male) and BlueJay(Female) I hope it works cuz I would love a bunch of seeds.

Thanks for everything guys...

Im germinting the new seeds tonight Ill keep Ya'll posted!

kd_special

[Loop]

...so just to double check you dont cut the branch off the plant you just Bag it up correct?..

you got it mate :thumbsup:

[kdspecial]

how will I know when the female plant is done making its seeds? (kinda hard to find info on sexing plants) Same time as it would be making Budss to I guess eh? \\ I wonder if its even worth it with my small weak female. My Male is plump Rumper. Seeds are 60 bucks for 10 here, So far i get about 50% from them both times. If this gives me say 50 seeds its worth it. and what would that make the seeds? Bogglegum(male) x BlueJay(female) or is it said the other way around female then male?

things that make you go hmmmmmmmmmm.

Believe it or not one clone has rooted, unfortunatly it came from a male. Im still pumped that I was able to get a rooted somthing. espically in my poor conditions. The main thing is there is one female clone that I am hoping will root.

picts

take it easy,,,

kdspecial

[kdspecial]

Anyone have any idea How many seeds A plant can on Average give? Like say in this example a small 1ft plant with Cfls? like in my Grow? Is it even worth trying to cross these plants? I like the idea of crossing boggle gum as Im pretty sure BOG are hard seeds to get now.. Retired or somthing

kd

[Loop]

some quick copy an paste from the net (it's not my own work, but it explains the procedure better than me :thumbsup: )



"A plant is ready to pollinate 2 weeks after the clusters of female flowers first appear. If you pollinate too early, it may not work. Wait until the female flowers are well established, but still all while hairs are showing.

Turn off all fans. Use a paper bag to pollinate a branch of a female plant. Use different pollen from two males on separate branches. Wrap the bag around the branch and seal it at the opening to the branch. Shake the branch vigorously. Wet the paper bag after a few minutes with a sprayer and then carefully remove it. Large plastic zip-lock bags also. Slip the bag over the male branch and shake the pollen loose. Carefully remove the bad and zip it up. It should be very dusty with pollen. To pollinate, place it over a single branch of the female, zipping it up sideways around the stem so no pollen leaks out. Shake the bag and the stem at the same time. Allow to settle for an hour or two and shake it again. Remove it a few hours later. Your branch is now well pollinated and should show signs of visible seed production in 2 weeks, with ripe seeds splitting the calyxes by 3-6 weeks. One pollinated branch can create hundreds of seeds, so it should not be necessary to pollinate more than one or two branches in many cases."



hope I brought kind of help

[kdspecial]

Thanks for the help duder...

I may try it out.

kdspecial

[kdspecial]

So my clones did root all of em. One was female.. Sweet

Planted it in a grow bag with This coco product this time. Added some Hydroton rocks. I had this stuff from my first attempt,

http://www.grotek.net/products/guide/product.asp?code=cocoearth

I tried Promix I wanna try this again. It seems cleaner.

I don't think I added enough Dolomite lime though, My coco run off was 6 - 6.5, Im pretty sure thats no good. But I'll see what happens.

Lates...

kd_special

[Tupamaro]

hey,

my plants are a lot darker of a greent han that, is that bad?

[kdspecial]

I think that would depend on your Strain. And in most cases Greener is better. espically darker Green.

those are just clones though I wouldn't call them plants..

noone has notice how the Dough boy is taking advantage of Dough Girl? I opened up the box and they were going at IT.,

Anyone know if I should cut off the big leaves on that clone? to promote more new growth. Or should I wait untill it grows a little first?

lates all

kd_special

[kdspecial]

Its been a little bit. the clone has been growing but Slowly. I think that has somthing to do with the fact that it was in flowering when I took it from Momma. Perhaps theres a transition time to switch it back to Veg. Its on 18/6 Im thinking about going 24 tho. Also still wondering If I should cut those big leaves off yet to help with new faster growth.

In the top of the Cab I am sexing to plants, Heres my Male and Female Hopfully I get a good amount of seeds. Just incase you haven't read anything else besdies this post. Male is (BoggleGUm) and Female is (BLueJay) Hopefully it works out.

I am also starting some sees today Just for fun and Cuz I have the space. They will grow up with the clone. They are (BLueBerry x Haze Special) Not sure how they will work out or their Sativa Indica ratio but they were 60CAD for 10 so it worked for me.

Because I ran into a height problem with my cab, Like I grew from seed 5 weeks. and the plants in flowering grew way too tall. This time around Ill have to major LST or see what flowering after 4 weeks from seed will do.

Its not much but its an update.... the male in full flower looks cool... theres powder all over the cab (Pollin sacks are opening)

kd_special

[kdspecial]

Pictures....

NOthing new happening, Got a few seedlings starting, Hope to raise them with this one clone.

the clone is looking weird it grows slow, and is still looking like a flower. I need it to turn around and grow into a plant. Im gonna get some super thrive to try and help some roots grow. This clone is 2 weeks in coco and 4 weeks from it was a cutting.

regardless its pretty cool, it hasn't died yet so thats always good.

In the top of the cab is that seeding project. is looking cool i think, Theres pollin all over the place and I think the female is looking Pollinated.

kd_special

[GreenShamen]

no more updates??

[kdspecial]

Somthing New...

The Tragically Hip have released a new album. Whos that you say? If your Canadian this band is most likely no stranger to you. One of our greats, Not to popular in the USA. Im sure we will be hearing More Hip through the US with the new album produced by Legend Producer Bob Rock. He is the man of Rock and Roll recordings. One of his most famous is the Metallica Black Album and every Metallica album to this date I believe.

im stoned and just bought this Disc im glad i purchased this cd. I like most usually download.

pictures///// The top of the box plant (BlueJAy) is pollinated Im pretty darn sure anyways. I can see the Catlyx looking like they ahve seeds in them, No hairs etc. SO i said goodby to the male (BOggle Gum) I shook as much pollin into a bag as possible. Im gonna store it in freezer and then see if I can pollinate another branch of some plant at a later date.

In the bottom of the cab, The clone is dying or seeming like it anyways. It still grows hairs and crystals kinda form on the leafs. There could be numerous reasons this happened. I think my pot was too big for a the clone to get established in personally also nutes or somthign look ta teh stem of the clones its pure purpal, That and other things too. hahaha But the bottom of the soil (At the holes of the bottom of the pot) is still wet from the original soak of the soil. Anyways dont matter ill get more. i could repot but im lazy and its messy in the apartment and i just cleaned. PLus i have a plant that grows under a window and shitty cfls almost done in flowering like days away. Its wher ethe clone came from. Im thinking about trying to reveg its bottom bud sites for clones. But I am afarid of bringing in some bugs into the cab. IM spraying its bottom leaves(not the buds) with neem oill to kinda prep it in its last week.

Im worried about bringing bugs in cuz I just got 3 seedlings going. One... BlueJay other two BlueBerryxHaze Special thos eseeds I got in TO suked only 2 germed out of 10 I wish i could have looked at the seeds to see how neon green they were. They were from Growers Choice not sure where it is located but i assume its in Canada somwhere THe BLuejay ones I got from them all germinated 10/10 they were extreamly dark seeds. my methods were soaking em in just water and papertowels had success with both numerous times. but not with those light green seeds...

uhhh this turned out a long post wow,,,,

kd

[kdspecial]

Wrong Picture in there... its a older one woops....

Luv THe Tragically hip

kd

[kdspecial]

Cleaned out the cab tonight TOok SOme pictures.

I can definitly see seeds on the plant in the flowering part of box. They are bright green I believe once they turn dark colour i Harvert em. there looks to be about 50 to 100 seeds so far. If it all works out it will be totally worth it. The time waiting for seeds rather than some bud.

In the bottom. I have the seedlings. They look over watered a bit so im laying off for a day or two.

I also have the new addition the the box. The chopped plant that was flowering in my window of bedroom. I cut the top of her off today and now am drying it. I shoudl have taken some pictures. I am hopeing to Reveg this plant. BUt I have noticed spider mites/ on her The last couple weeks I have been laying need oil down on those bud sites I left on her. I will be super careful to not let them spread. I cut alot of leaves that were infected off today. I hopefully with careful managment can kill them now before they get any worse.

Thats all FOlks////

kd

[kdspecial]

Its been a while....

I have been mad working....

I scrapped the old seedlings and the clone and switched from coco back to proMix.

I have also got a Ph Pen so I can lower the Ph of my water. Im pretty sure plants like lower water Ph. I know ProMix is designed to work with plain tap water.

I saterted some new seeds. They are "SumerTime Budda" and I have one plant that is BlueBerry x SpecialHAze.

They are green and looking healthy.

the seeding plant looks like shit. Its finishing though. Thrips got at it, I have controled the problem now but it seems the Ph got off or it had some heat stress. cuz its shriviling up. All the lower bud seed spots are loking green and the pods are starting to open up. they are also still growing white hairs. They are all looking healthy unlike the top of the plant.

Anyone know If I should cut off the bigger dead fan leaves?

Im nervous to cut them and hurt it more.

kd

kd

[kdspecial]

more picts of my hard earned seeding plant that has gone weak...

[kdspecial]

Its been a while, lots of learning...

just starting to get the hang of it.. slowly.

kd_special

[kdspecial]

Some more picts, the Males and the BOng chillin,

kd

[doco]

Hey KD, how many seeds did you end up with from that cross? Are you growing any of them yet? How so you like that T5?

[stinkyattic]

HEy good to see your plants are greening up so much.
I saw that Pillsbury doughboy thing and started cracking up... you should post those little pervs in the grow mascot thread!
The pic of the 3 plants under the T5 is awesome. They look nice! Those lights are so great... I got one barely used from a grow buddy and my seedlings have never looked better. Are you alternating blue/red bulbs or all the same sort? I got mine with alternating...

[kdspecial]

Hey KD, how many seeds did you end up with from that cross? Are you growing any of them yet? How so you like that T5?


I am still pulling seeds off that plant. Im guesssing about 200 good quality seeds. As well I started revegging that plant to grab a clone and some stray seeds must have fallen in the soil Becuase I have a few sprouts, Showing up in the pot. Its funny. That many seeds its was totally worth the wait. I am planning on planting some soon.

yeah the dough boys are funny I did post them in the mascot section. yes they have greened up and the T5 is working well. I have 2 blu 2 red bulbs, Im one week in of flowering. Ill post some picts soon. Im waiting till after Xmas to start my next batch of seed cuz Ill be a away for a few days.

Im still battling with the PH of the soil. Im Uping my water to like 7.7 or above and My runoff is still sitting 6.0 -6.2. I think ill up it a bit more to say 8.3 or somthing next time. While I try and find some Humas and compost.

Or perhaps just give a watering with plain Phd water to help clean that soil a bit. I feed every watering so maybe a feed - feed - water schedual may work better.

thansk for the input guys and Gals..

kd

[stinkyattic]

While I try and find some Humas and compost.
Hey, I just bought some 'soil syrup' humic acid concentrate... I'll try to remember to bring it to work and make a working dilution to titrate and see where the buffering range is... might be a fantastic product for us indoor types! It was hella cheap too.



I feed every watering so maybe a feed - feed - water schedual may work better.

Or even a water-water-feed... those last plants from your seed crop DID have a heck of a burn by the time you were done with them... but these look great so far!

[kdspecial]

Yeah that seeding plant did take a beating. She had a few hot days though too.

yes I would love to see how that solution works for you.

yes basically the purpal veins have stopped but the leafs petoils still are redish. I think its just cuz of the Ph being off the Food can't get to the plant.
next watering I am gonna ph it up like mad.

As well I have been reading in my Grow Bible By Greg somthing or other. I can add a bit of lime to the top of the soil and this will soak into the soil gradually. But im thinking of staying away from that if I can.

perhaps I will add lime to the Promix when I start next time to see if that helps to balance it out more throughout the grow.

But Im fairly happy with this grow so far, Its fun a shit regardless...

kd

[orangeman]

So my clones did root all of em. One was female.. Sweet

Planted it in a grow bag with This coco product this time. Added some Hydroton rocks. I had this stuff from my first attempt,

http://www.grotek.net/products/guide/product.asp?code=cocoearth

I tried Promix I wanna try this again. It seems cleaner.

I don't think I added enough Dolomite lime though, My coco run off was 6 - 6.5, Im pretty sure thats no good. But I'll see what happens.

Lates...

kd_special

LOL! That last picture made me fall out of my chair laughing!

[kdspecial]

Yeah I don't think many people noticed it untill now perhaps,,

I laughed hard too when I opened the Cab to see that happening. I let them stay for free too. No rent or anything they just have to guard my plants at night time.. and let me take pictures of them...

silly dough Boy and gurl...

kd

[Pezzo]

sorry i didnt read it, it was too long.. the plants look really nice how old are they?
u took clones right? how did u root them?
gd job kd

[TheGreenFog]

Hey, KD...damn man, I don't know how I missed this whole thread. I think I looked at it way back when you started it, but then somehow lost it. I don't spend much time in this section, even though my thread kinda 'belongs' in here.

Anyway, thread's looking nice. I just skimmed it for pics this time. Will read through fully later tonight probably. Seems like you are having some N def problems, though, and I'm curious about your "bad conditions" that are creating problems for the clones.

Nice male plants! Very nutty. I'll show you some of my 'nuts' soon enough if you are stopping into my thread anymore. I haven't seen you in INdoors much lately. Didn't mean to run you off. LOL j/k.

Anyway, I'll be checking in more often from now on. Looking forward to the rest of the thread and your seeding adventures. Check out my thread if you havent lately. I just did a huge update on days 56 and 48 of flowering. I also built a new cab to replace the "BodomBox." Check it out. Link in Sig (LIS).

:rastasmoke:

TGF

PS...That doughboy's gettin' him sum! Nice. :thumbsup:

[kdspecial]

Hey dude,,,

Yeah I checked out your thread last night. Looks sweet!!!

I am pulling seeds still of the main chunk its an annoying job. Its really dry though and its super sticky.

Here are some pictures...

Been a full week in 12/12 now. One plant has grown more bushy and definitly smaller by about 2 inches. Where as the other plant, every time I move the light up the next day Its almost touching it. I should sacrafice the smaller plants health to get a clone from it. Then hopfully its kidz will be smaller bushier plants. As well this plant never seemed to get purpal veins and red stems like the others in their seedling stage. Not till after Xmas though cuz I dont got time now.

Ok so the bottom of the box has a few experiments.

Trying to ReVeg the seeding plant. And some random seeds must have fallen into the Pot during harvest.

The other is a test of the seeds I harvested. I put it in Coco and haven't paid much attention to it. It also clearly shows that.

Its justa test untill Xmas is over and I can put some attention into the Veg stage with new seeds.

Lates!!!

[Pasofol]

Nice log.

I hope mine turn out these nice.

[stinkyattic]

Ohhey KD... did you notice NoChowderForYou's avatar... that's what Mrs. Doughboy is going to look like 9 months from now... :eek:

[kdspecial]

I think I just vurped when I looked at that sight.....

You know when you Vomit from a burp then sallow it again....... Only this time I didn't burp it was more of a Gag.....

Who here like trailer park boys?


kd

[doco]

I like how you have the stump revegging...that's gonna be cool looking.

If you are gonna move those seedling children of your mom, you should do it soon before they get too intertwined with her roots which are probably all over that pot already.

Im looking forward to watching you grow out some of the seeds you bred. Good job!!

[kdspecial]

yeah I plan to actully throw away all of those plants I was just growing them to grow somthing.

After Xmas I plan to start seeds properly 8 of them 4 of my mix and 4 of a good friends. As well I think I might stress one of the females to get a clone. These two females have grown much differently I think It might be a good idea to sacrafice the smaller female plants health to get a Robust mommy plant for future use. This strain is supposed to be a 80x20 sativa x indica mix. So the fact that this one plant grew small and showed more vigor than the rest is good thing for me considering my conditions.

So then I will try and house my first Mom. Its gonna be tight. i'll make it work.


kd

[JEFFAR420]

To answer your question.. I love Trailer Park Boys, possibly the funniest show around! Too bad its only on Canadian channels..

[kdspecial]

Merry xmas All... Im back and my plants Look pretyt good. I got to be sure to get My Ph In check as last time I watered My RunOff was Low at 6.0 and that was watering with 8.5ph Water. I am going to add some lime to the top of the soil. I read about this method in the Grow Bible. Notice the continual Purpal stems and veins, This will get worse really soon if I don't fix my Ph. I know cuz it happened to me with my seeding plant.

These plants are exactly 2 weeks at 12/12 42 ft T5 2000L 26W Each bulb and 2 T15 800L 30 W Each

Notice the difference between the two plants. One is a good 4 inces taller. This is a 80x20 Sative Indica Mix, I guess that I got genitics from one of each. I must get a clone of this smaller shorter plant or re veg it. It is perfect in my small cab situation. The other plant just keeps stretching into the light. I have to tie it down daily almost. Hopefully it will slow up a bit soon.

And below I am preping for clones so I can make some Moms for my setup.


Happy Holidays All...

kd

[kdspecial]

No Comments? I should ahve put a picture with the dogh boy in the pictures.. hahahahhahaha

I think they plants are looking good. I meant to grab a clone today but I sleept in and missed my chance, Now the cab is closed up untill tonight. Look like I'll have to wait.

Does anyone know if its bad to take a clone when the loght is just comming on? Should I wait untill the light is turing off.

I usually water when the light is turing off incase there is any stress from being soaked, Unfortunaly today I will have to water when the light comes on.

kd

[Bree1978]

Thanks for keeping up the great log, even though those aren't responding we are here....loving the updates. B

[kdspecial]

Heres where they at 2.5 Weeks. Looking fairly happy and the Hairs are starting to grow well.

the taller plant of the two has some lightly coloured white hair tips. They almost like like purpal or orange tips.

the smaller plant has nothing but clean white hairs.

Heres the lower part of the cab, the plant re vegging is starting to look like a plant again, and some clones I took from the top of the cab.

kd

[Pasofol]

Things seem to be growing nicely for you. Just wondering where you got your ho 5t lights. Found http://www.plantlightinghydroponics.com/new-wave-96w-6500k-8000-lumens-2ft-t5-fluorescent-grow-light-p-1934.html to be cheap in the US but the UPS brokerage fees seem to kill the price difference. Bustan has them for like 240 for the 4 times 2 feet. Might be picking up the 8 times 2 feet. Have you noticed a difference from cfl?

[kdspecial]

Hey Pasfol... I paid top dollar for the T5 at bustan. I believe it was $245 + Tax ------ $285 Tax In.

I looked at it like. They warrenty it, If it doesn't work you just go in and they'll give you another one bulbs and all etc.. If the lights go out plants stop growing. Thats nothing I would want to happen then have to chase somone on ebay or online. If somthing happens I go back to the store and come home with replacement.

Anything happening with your cab?

Its worth the extra cash for piece of mind. :o

kd

[Pasofol]

Well I wish you replied sooner, didn't think of that before I caved in and ordered. I got the same t5 setup for 125 US with the 6500, also a switchable ballast 400w, and a bulb for each mh/hps. The mh was a specific one that outputs at 6500k which cost 65 usd.

The ups should be an extra 100 though. I basically saved myself from buying a second ballast this way. The t5 will be for new clones, mh/hps for growth/flowering. Still going over timing in my head and when clones will be taken so on. First grow if male/female will just make seeds for backup dont want to spend the money for them again for the same strain at least.

Left them at 29.2 c when I left for a party which I'm not back from yet, I hope the temp didn't rise. Was playing with new lights and exhaust.

[kdspecial]

So here they are at 3 weeks, A full 3 weeks and one day...

SO new year here with good stuff. One I decided to stop smokin'. Mary J that is Cigerettes are for Fags. I will never puff one of those bastards again.

Somtimes you hit a block and all your doing is getting HIgh and ignoring all the things that are around you. Trust me I am a firm believer of smoking and doing stuff. But lately the weed that I have been getting does nothing but put me to sleep or make me somwhat angry. And If I want really good weed I have to pay out the ass for it. I honestly feel that I have been smoking the same bud for 5 years now. Cuz I really don't get Laughing High, Like I rembered when I first started smoking the Cron, 10 years ago. I have been high like everyday since I was about 17 and im 27 now. 10 years, Its almost boring to me now.

plus my gf and I smoke too much collectivily, lets face it its not cheep. I don't even want to try and count the numbers of how much money I have spent on Pot i would start to cry. Heres one thought that always gets me. I see a nice sweater Or CDs or DVD anything really in a store i think its awsome. I look at the price tag it says 60 bucks. im like wohhh wait thats a rip off I wont buy that nice sweater for myself I can find a less hip sweater for 20 bucks at Bargan Harolds and not look so cool. But jo blow dealer will offer me a 1/4 for 60 bucks and im like thats a good deal. without even thinking. Thats my little rant.

Basically no dope untill this crop come through and then hopfully I can make the transition back to a recational smoker. not that I really ever rember being one. but I think some time I was. So its been 2 days with no Chizzle. So far sleeping isn't happening too well. im reading a hell of a lot though. just its not making me sleepy. But you know honestly I'm looking foward to not smoking for a bit and then enjoying the fruits of my labour. I garuntee this weed will be far better quality than the Canadain bullshit we find on the streets in TO. they use chemicals man Probs MG and grow far to much Indica. Its cheep and yes little kids love to buy it, but it tastes like garbage and stinks like ass.

Well with that said. good night all.. OR good morrning for some.

Enjoy the pictures. They seem happy but my runoff is still sitting low at a 6.0 steady. I want to get it up so I can not lockout P... I bet that would help the purpal stems.... I forgot to mention these plants are only in One gallon containers due to space restrictions. I could do bigger but I wanted to see the difference between the two pots sizes. So far pretty decent results I think.

kd_special ;)

[kdspecial]

And some pictures of the Re Veged Seeding PLant Its time to start tieing it down soon and preparing to sleect a clone or two. Or I could just flower it all cuz I don't really care about this strain. Its mainly indica and Its the plant I sexed so I am more interested in what Mix I created than the original. Notice the little seedlings in there they are holding up well with little to no Attention. They are the cross I made.

Why wont my Mind get tired... Its wide awake,,, but my body is aching and screaming for sleep. Its gonna be a long ruff week...

kd

[Bree1978]

Hey this is looking great KD.
I wanted to drop you a line and let you know, that the sleep gets better. I've been a smoker for 14 years. I've had many times I've had to quit due to health issues or it being dry in my area and it usually takes me three to four days to get my sleep patterns back in order. After a week, you're gold (i've noticed this is when the giggles come back after smoking too). When I am smoking, it definitley isn't 'casual', more like all day everyday, so I'd imagine your recovery time should be similar to mine. Another tip, don't let the reading keep you up at night...sometimes the time gets away from you and makes it harder to sleep once you realize how late it is and for 'crying out loud' you're still awake. LOL....I totally agree with you about the sweater analogy...Happy NOT tokin until harvest, just wait, if you haven't had a dry out in ten years it will be THE BOMB! And congrats on quitting cigarettes, let us know how it goes. B

[kdspecial]

thanks for the positive comments Duder.....

yeah sleep has come easier now than before my GF is going nuts though,,, I keep telling her shes gotta stick with it but shes quitting smoking too. thats a hard one, Everytime she trys to quit its like im quitting all over again. The moods that tobbaco can put you in when you don't have any... its a crime to sell that stuff...

kd

[stinkyattic]

KD just out of curiosity... thos lil babies... are they from seeds that fell off the female? lol! Cute! You can always repot them before its too late... nice big soil ball with them...?

[kdspecial]

KD just out of curiosity... thos lil babies... are they from seeds that fell off the female? lol! Cute! You can always repot them before its too late... nice big soil ball with them...?

Yes Stinky they are from seeds that fell off into the soil. I wasn't too sure what to do with them cuz I really just neglect them. Thats good to know that they are growing well. with little care.

My original intention was to get a clone of this re vegged plant. I think it might be fun just to flower it and watch a retarted looking bush grow ,, I guess I should take those little guys out of there, Naaaa im just gonna let them be.. and they will grow with my revegeed plant, as I tie it down. once it gets out of control I will take a few clones and keep one as a mother probs and flower the rest of it. if I don't have any other plants to go into the top of the box..

I took some clones from the current plants I hope they root soon these will be my main concern as they are a sativa strain..

kd

[kdspecial]

Ohh as well I think I may have promissed my GF that I would leave those little ones in the pot as is. She thought it was cute too......

guys think its cool... Gurls they think its cute!!!!

kd

[canuck grower]

Hey great log kd. Keep it up! :)

I agree that a lot of street weed in TO sucks, but the street meat is great. I'm also more a fan of sativas and not couch-lock highs (usually, NL is one of my fav. strains though). After moving to BC I've never once seen that really wet, dark, bright-orange haired pot you find in Ontario that just makes your head buzz and will give you the spins every time if you're even slightly drunk. I hate that shit.

I also want to stop smoking so much, and recently had a sort of revelation like you had, except instead of clothes or other things I've been thinking why shell out $50 for a QZ when I could pick up $50 worth of grow supplies instead and invest in better, cheaper, more rewarding homegrown. We'll see how that waiting goes though! From 4 QZs saved I could buy one of those expensive Vortex fans I have my eye on.

But cutting down on pot is hard because until 1-2 months ago I smoked cigs as well. Old habits... I feel your GFs pain too. After a big meal and while drinking it's hard to not smoke anything.

Good luck with your grow and your hiatus / decrease in smoking.

Sorry for rambling so much in your log dude. Heh I just came here to find some info in another thread but I always end up reading a lot more.

[kdspecial]

After moving to BC I've never once seen that really wet, dark, bright-orange haired pot you find in Ontario that just makes your head buzz and will give you the spins every time if you're even slightly drunk. I hate that shit.


Yeah I wanted to move to BC but my job is here and I would have to start from the bottom if I moved to BC. But its so nice out there.. I was in love the second I got off the plane and saw mountains. yeah ontario weed is bullshit unless its from a good friend or somthing..

no Rant is a RAnt its all good conversation... thanks for stopping by.

kd

[Shermania]

Yeah, your thread is great. I want to start growing some just for my own consumption... Where do you get you good seeds? I know that your first trial grow was with bagged, (which is what I'll do) but where do you get you good seeds?

[canuck grower]

I wouldn't recommend moving here just for the pot anyway. Mountains and ocean, now those are some damn good reasons to move out here. It really is such a contrast landing in Vancouver coming from Pearson. Especially in the winter! Anyway you live where you can make money, such is life.

[kdspecial]

Oh I woudn't be moving there for the Pot it wouyld definitly be for the mountains.

When I was there I climbed two peaks of Grouse Mountain. You started the hike at the ski resort so its not the grouse Grind. I have done that to it was fun but nothing like this.

I believe the ones I went up on 2 different days were GOAT and CROWN. One of them is the Big Square shaped rock you can see from the ski resort. When I climed up that I was so scared. We meet a ski resort guide half way who was taking a little break and he advised us not to venture up there cuz the season had no snow so there was alot of bare rock showing. He said no one had been up that way all year, this was in FEB. It showed becasue the signs for the trail were buried. And you could not see any reconizable size path, somtimes the snow was a deep as my mid waste and im 6'5" I trusted the 18 yr old Van city native I was with. he was like right on!! lets get going. I followed and had more fun than any high could ever give me. We were supposed to smoke at the top but I was scared cuz going down it was so steap and it was all bare rock. We had gear Cramp Ons Ice picks all the stuff, We never used any ropes or anything, Which he later told me we should have in certin parts (Roped in was the term he used) but there was no time if we wanted to make the top and back. he didn't want to tell me that untill we were on safer grounds. hahaha little bastard. I rember it was cloudy dark and windy. but I am so glad I kept on going. No High could ever compare to that much Fun.

the second picture is from the top of the Crown which was so scary I only stayed up there for like 3mins cuz it was a 500foot drop on the other side, and it was all snow so we couldn't see where the rock edge ended and it was about a 5 x 5 foot pad to stand on.

kd

[canuck grower]

That sounds like a shitload of fun kd! Great photos too man. I still haven't seen a lot of BC, so I'll have to put Grouse mountain on the list of things to see here.

I hiked up to the Flute at Whistler with some friends, just about 20 mins past the highest lift. We smoked a blunt and snowboarded down. But what you said is true, you don't need to be high on pot when you're doing something awesome like that anyway because you're buzzin on the good times! I didn't smoke the first time I went up a couple days before that because I was falling down the mountain still.

Yeah, I've only been here a few years but it's easy to call BC home.

(ha ha, you can tell i'm a geek from that first pic eh?!)

[canuck grower]

and you can tell I'm stoned because I forgot to include that "first pic" :rastasmoke: some nice nugs I took to Whistler. :thumbsup:

[kdspecial]

Yeah when you do go up to Grouse, If you stand just out side the Chalet looking at the Ice skateing rink look up to you left at the highest peak, you will see a big square shaped rock. I believe that point is called Crown. thats where the picture is from. I believe Grouse has a decent snowboard park as well.

kd

[kdspecial]

Hello All...

After a long weeknd with the flu. I was able to get some pictures. They all look nice. Im not really sure what to do with the Re-Vegging plant. I could try and flower it but I don't know what will happen perhaps I will get a
"BALL-O-BUD" or it wil be just hard to manage as there is no real stalk just node after node. still thinking about that one...

The flowering plants are One day shy of four weeks in flower.

I also picked up some good stuff called Synergy made by BIO-GENSIS. Its supposed to help my plants take in food better and add vigor and growth to them. Looks like pretty good stuff. Gave some to them yesterday we will see if anything is better or worse in the upcomming weeks. Its an All organic product with the OMRI label and all.

hope no one else has the flu I gotz its terrible.

kd

[kdspecial]

I was in the box working around and took some pictures.

the buds are loooking nice, Getting pretty crystally. I am having a hard time finding a magnifying glass. I can find ones that are like 5x but I understand I would want atleast a 10X veiw.

Regardless they look nice Ill be honest though they don't smell that great. It almost smells like a barn. But I did touch a bud by acident and my finger after stank like fresh sticky icky...

The Revegged plant is looking nice too I think im gonna take a clone from it in a few days then flower it. I hope the seedlings make it through the process. hahahah

kd

[kdspecial]

This weekend I actully had some time to do things.

I took two clones from the re vegged plant. Then I decided to cram it into the top of the box to flower. It has alot of shoots and two seedlings in the 3 gallon pot. This is gonna be pretty interesting.

The sad looking clones pictured with the two new clones have just started to show roots comming out the bottom of the rockwell not on all of them though. I plan to get those in soil when all show their roots. Hopefully they will come back and be able to be mom plants. As well as the newly clipped clones.

the top of the cab is pretty crammed with that 3 gallon pail. It will be interesting to see how much it stretches and how much less light the other plants which have about 3 weeks left will be able to use with their new rommie.

kd

[kdspecial]

3 days from 6 weeks flowering.............

They are looking good. A little burnt from heat or nutes. nothing that looks too major though.

I had a question This strain is supposed to flower for seven to nine weeks. Im comming on week six should I be starting to only feed with plain water?

Is there a certin stage identifiable in the plants life that I should start to feed with plain water?

I need to get a magnifying glass but im having trouble finding one higher than 5X which I think wouldn't be strong enough. The trichcombs seem to be turning solid white. Everyday I am able to see more and more trichcs. I have yet to see any ambre with my naked eye.

Any help is greatly appreciated. Thanks kindly

kd

[doco]

Nice kdspecial, what a great example of T5 lights at work (with gardening skills of course ;) ). Sweet looking buds. Someone in another forum was asking about T5 grows...I'm gonna point them over here.

[kdspecial]

Nice kdspecial, what a great example of T5 lights at work (with gardening skills of course ;) ). Sweet looking buds. Someone in another forum was asking about T5 grows...I'm gonna point them over here.

Thanks Doco,,,,, Im liking the T5 so far it allows me to grow in my apartment. It was expensive but worth it, the reflector its made with is key.

Any help on a physical sign to start flushing the Plant for harvesting?

kd

[canuck grower]

That looks great kd! :)

I picked up a 30x magnifier for $10 yesterday (Circuit City). It has a little 8x magnifier on it as well and I was surprised at how much bigger 8x is. If you can get more than 10x though I say go for it.

When did your clones stems turn purple like that? I have some that are doing that and I have no idea why. They look ok other than that so I'm just ignoring it for now, but it is spreading through the entire stalk.

-canuck :jointsmile:

[kdspecial]

Yeha basically when I cut them they turn colour. My plants show these signs somtimes as well. I have yet to figure out exactly what the cause is. Im guessing its somthing that the ProMix does not have in it. Like a Micronutrient. Or improper nuterient balance.

the problem is there are so many possible things that could cause red stems and Veins on the stalk. Cold weather, Strain, miconutrient, Ph lockout.. It goes on and on. basically I was losing my mind over it and I just said fuk it. The plants look healthy. besides that.

I figure when I start mixing some compost with my pro Mix I will have less red in the stems and veins.

It can even go back to seeds. The grow shop fellow I have become decent friends with basically said to me. What do you want plants naturally will change colours depending on thier food / enviroment / and strain. Dont sweat it so much. As you grow as a grower you will learn more and you will see less RED...

Im planting some new seeds, tonight I will apply my knowledge and see if they still go purpal. I bet they dont go as purpal/.

thanks for stopping by

kd

[bluntman 420]

nice dude

[canuck grower]

Cool man that's good to know. :) It freaked me out at first two when I saw it on the big girls then I did the same as you and said fuck it. :jointsmile:

[kdspecial]

I ahve ordered a 30X jewlers eye piece. I hope this arrives in time for me to be able to harvest at the perfect time. As of tommrow it will be 6 weeks flowering, of a strain that says it takes 7 to 9 weeks to finish. I think I will be feeding just Phd water from now on in.

TO be honest my plants may look nice but they smell like ass. They smell very similar to my BIO-GENSIS Organic solutions. So just to be certin I don't actully flush my plants do I (3 to 1 ratio of water)? I just water them for the next week or two with plain water and allow 10% run off correct?

I hope they start to smell nicer when I satrt the plain water feedings. If not ohh well they loko like they will be nice..

kd

[kdspecial]

Still Rolling here.......

Starting some new things in the bottom of the Cab...

Got one healthy clone that stuck through, Took one clone from the Seeding plant. Then I took the ReVegged plant and stuck it back in flower.

The revegged seeding plant has been in flowering for one full week, and its stretching like crazy cuz it far from the light. It will have to wait untill my bigger plants finish.

I also started some seeds from a Fellow Grower from these boards, as well as my own. BlueJay x BoggleGum

Enjoy the pics,..,


kd

[canuck grower]

daaamn man those look so fat! :jointsmile:

[kdspecial]

yes I am pumped to see them finish......

kd

[kdspecial]

Ok So its one day before 7 weeks. I am pretty dang excited. The Nuggles are looking Snuggles....

My Revegged plant has been nicly Tied Down to have 8 even Tops. As well the Two seeds that fell of the ReVegged plant turned into Females. the seedlings are my BlueJay X BoggleGum So looks like I will be able to get to try some bud from the original female and my cross. Im pretty pumped how that worked out.

In the bottom of the cab I have some seedlings going and A SumerTIme Budda Clone (The one with the Indica Phenotype) and a BlueJay Clone taken from the ReVegged plant before it was put into flowering.

SO everything is looking good so far, I am confidantly becoming a Gardner. the real test will be this summer when I try and grow vegtables and such on my balcony. Im excited for that Its a new growing experince diffrent plants diffrent nature...

Ohh Thought I'd menton a new commer to my aprtment. Her name is Emma. A small toy style dog that my Gf insisted we have. SO thats 2 cats and a toy dog in a small aprtment. I am one step away from being a Crazy Cat Lady!!!:( :( :(

She is a good dog though so so far its not too bad. Shes small my cats still dominate... Thats all I care about..

Thanks for stopping by.... Don't be afarid to say hello or comment. I know yer all watching...

kd_special

[kdspecial]

hello My Name is Emma.... I bark when I want things and I poop and pee where ever I feel like it. But im fuking adorable....

Emma

[doco]

kd, what strain are those flowering plants? Is that your own cross? Those buds are amazing!

[kdspecial]

Yes I am extreamly happy with this setup I've got going. But I swear its all about the Organic Nutrients That I started using half way through the Grow.

They are made By BIO-GENSIS "High-Tide" and "Synergy" As soon as I started to add those with my Botanicare Pur Blend Grow and Bloom, My pplants looked healthier and stronger.

They are not my own strain Cross... They are called SummerTime Budda. A Local toronto Strain that is supposed to be A 80 20 Sativa Indica. The two plants I have looks like I got both Phenotypes. One of them Is small and Strout with compact buds (Indica),, and the other (Sativa) IS tall and bushy with bigger nugs but more spread out. One plant is about 5 inches taller than the other. I have a clond from the smaller one cuz it will be perfect for my Box Low height condidtions.

However In my top of the Cab you see the plant that is majorly tied down. With lots of Tops... this is the original female that I made the seeds with. It has been reVegged for a clone and then put back into flowering. During the RevEg process 2 seeds fell from the plant into the soil that I was unaware of. They have grown with the plant and now have reached their mature age to show me they are female. So All in one pot I have 3 plants.,.. One the Original BlueJay.,, and then two smaller plants that are the BlueJay x BoggleGum cross...

Its nice how that worked out cuz I will get to try the Original BLUEJAY female and My cross with the BoggleGum///

Lucky Guy I am..

kd

[doco]

I am using the Botanicare regimen too...I used PBP Grow/Bloom, Cal-Mag, Liquid Karma and Growth Excel from AN..I'll have to check out the Bio-Genesis supplements since yours seem to be really like it.

[kdspecial]

yes I was going to add those Others Sweet and stuff to my next grow when I get the cash.

The Organics BIO_GENSIS isn't dirt cheep but its worth it. Its about 5 bucks more than other similar products But it has the OMRI Organics approval on it so Chemicals were not used in any process of the manufacturing and thats what you really paying extra for Its worth it in IMO

thanks for dropping by DOCO what do you think of the DOGGY? hahaha

kd

[kdspecial]

Nobody likes my new puppy.... :( in the previous pictures..

She tried to eat one of my smaler plants. But I was quick to stop her.

Its been a full 7 weeks flowering. I am starting to feed just water now. Ph at 6.8. Some white hairs still grow but not many.

kd

[Bree1978]

Yeah I like Emma. I breed dogs. Well, I did, I only have one female at the moment. My best bitch's name was Emma, nonetheless....although she was retired five months ago :( . Good Luck with the potty training, I always crate train, but then again I usually have few running around and it's hard to catch them before they go! Ha! I really like you log, have you checked the trichomes yet? I didn't notice if you had. :jointsmile: Bree

[kdspecial]

yeah I can't really use the crate she goes to nuts in there,, So far she hasn't been too bad I have 2 cats as well so I think they kinda keep her in line.

yeah I haven't checked the Trics yet as I am waiting for my Jewlers Loupe to arrive its 30X There are still about 40% white hairs so I don't think they are too reay yet and I still see new growth. Im thinking they will go the full 9 weeks. that jewlers peice should come soon and Ill update...

thansk for stopping by... So bored at work today

kd

[kdspecial]

So I harvested the plant with more of teh Indica Phenotypes. the plant with the Sativa traits still looks like she will go another week.

I was pretty happy when I was cutting her. I didn't get to check the Trics. as I don't have a magnifying glass. but im pretty sure it all good. I haven't totally cleared all the leafs off the plant I wasnted it to dry a bit first. I want to use the smaller leafs from this harvest and the opnes from my other plant for brownies.

Anyone know how much shake you should have to make a decent batch of Brownies? or cookies?

My guess is around a ounce once dryed and cured.

I can wait to have some cured bud..

I vaprorised some and got stoned so thats a good sign. but A true test is smoking some.

Ohh yeah and if any of you like coffe table books. I recomend "The Tree" Lots of agood pictures of massive old trees. Its missing a few species of trees though so I thought I would add my own...:D :D :D

enjoy

kd

[kdspecial]

So I've been pretty busy with work. Havn't taken many pictures,,,,

In the top of the cab is One Plant still left to Chop. She will be going in a matter of days. Its a Sativa type plant so shes taking her sweet as time.

And right next to her I have The Revegged Seeding plant and its seedlings all tied down nicely. In one Pot. SO thats A BlueJay Plant in the middle with many tops. And Two Single plants on her sides that are BLUEJAY X BoggleGum. Comparing the Tops is really cool. the Hybrid looks far superior to the Original BLUEJAY.. I garuntee its because of those BOG genetics. the Hybrid shows fat hairs covered in Trics, where as the BLueJay only shows thin hairs with no visiable by eye trics. Its really neat to see grow, She is 3 weeks in flowering now.

below I have a SummerTime Budda indica Phenotype clone growing like a Bush. I had to cyut her back cuz im not ready to take clones just yet, I need these seedlings to finish.

the seedlings are 2 BLUEJAY X BoggleGum and 2 Afgan from a friend.

The sad looking Clone is a BLUEJAY clone which Shriveled up on me one day when it got hot in the box. I thought she was forsure dea and then 2 days later after leaving her soil drenched She perked up again. Crazy little Devil..

And finally some pictures of some Bud that was drying from my harvest. It is already super crispy so I put it in jars It seemed like the right thing to do.

kd_special

[kdspecial]

The Dried Nuggles and the Sativa dominate plant from the same Strain SummerTime Budda.

this Sativa plant im really looking foward too.

kd

[kdspecial]

I was just noticing how many people have veiwed this thread. Over 7000 wow... Thats a lot... these people sure don't talk much.....

hahaha

kd

[spankey]

hello My Name is Emma.... I bark when I want things and I poop and pee where ever I feel like it. But im fuking adorable....

Emma

she is so adorable dogs are so loyal and loving. she looks like a snuggler.

[kdspecial]

she is so adorable dogs are so loyal and loving. she looks like a snuggler.

I have had the puppy for two weeks now and she is a good dog. But can like to bite your feet and thats kinda annoying. Shes still a pup so I can expect those things to keep happening. Shes a Toy poudle X Pomerian So the poudle Genes are good cuz they are really smart I have herd.

Lets hope so.... hahahaha

So far she loves Dirt,... All my house plants always have soil spilling all over the floor and stuff. And when I open the Box.,, Its her favourite place to be always jumping in there trying to climb on the little seedlings etc.. I kinda wish she wasn't attracted to it but then again.,.. It is a pretty intense amount of light when I open the doors. To her it must be like a magical place... With all the green plants to chew on and eat...

hahahahahahhahah

Shes a good girl so far...

kd

[doco]

puppies are so much fun and yours is cute as hell. Wish I could have a dog at my place but they don't allow them in this aprtment an it's just too small anyway 'cause I'd want a big ass pit or rot, lol.

[canuck grower]

heh, yeah puppies and seedlings might not get along too well. she's a cute little fur ball though! puppies are nice while they like to play all the time.

[kdspecial]

puppies are so much fun and yours is cute as hell. Wish I could have a dog at my place but they don't allow them in this aprtment an it's just too small anyway 'cause I'd want a big ass pit or rot, lol.


On my lease it says no animals. But i have 2 cats and a puppy now... hahahah lots of tenants have dogs in my building. I don't even think the landlord knows it says no animals on the lease. They just the landlord working under a managment company.

Im still waiting for that Sativa Phenotype plant to finish, Its taking its sweet ass time.

kd

[WeThePeople]

i noticed u quit smoking i coulda missed it but are u still smoke free and by the way that flu could have been the smokers quitter flu all kinds of people get sick when they quit cause the nicotein is leaving the body, im trying to quit as well,
and how was the smell from ur mature women could u notice it when u walked in the room? i havent smoked bud in 2 months and im getting depressed, i just going to grow my own those look like 2 gal pots and why didnt you use 42w twisty cfl to save money i couldve missed the answers to my questions cause im getting irritable and low concentration from no cigs, feedback would be nice thank you kd

[kdspecial]

i noticed u quit smoking i coulda missed it but are u still smoke free and by the way that flu could have been the smokers quitter flu all kinds of people get sick when they quit cause the nicotein is leaving the body, im trying to quit as well,
and how was the smell from ur mature women could u notice it when u walked in the room? i havent smoked bud in 2 months and im getting depressed, i just going to grow my own those look like 2 gal pots and why didnt you use 42w twisty cfl to save money i couldve missed the answers to my questions cause im getting irritable and low concentration from no cigs, feedback would be nice thank you kd

Hey duder.,,, I used whta lights I could find and yeah the site is great. For info...
grow your own and smoke it up.. It tastse so nice.

kd

[kdspecial]

So I took some pictures,

Im still waiting for the Lats plant to finish I dont think its quite ready you guys help me out. Its been in flower exactly 9 weeks now. I really want to gfet this one out of there to make room, and as well to install a new fan. under the light to help with heat.

the revegged plant looks to have some issue with Ph or the plants immune system. It shouw nerrotic spots. But the soil has been through 2 gorws so its prlly full of buildt up I bet. ill think of a flush maybe I dont really like to. I always water with 10% run off... I was told that helps push salts out each time you water.

The bottom cab has the seedlings comming along very nicely. I think they may be my best yet. I realized that even though these twiste bulbs dont give off much. In my cab my seedlings grow better not so close to the light. They have grown tighter and smaller. But who knows. One plants veins and stalk has gone completly purpal the rest of the plants are pretty green though. Thery were all feed the same amounts of water etc.

Well im looking good here.. on my way...

kd

[kdspecial]

Heres the TOp shots of the Revegged plant. with the cross seeds....

Lots of TOps but im not sure how this one will turn out. Its been in flower for about 3 weeks now. because of the other plants being in the top of the cab this plant had to stay pretty far from the light untill recently. SO its flowers look pretty small will seee what happens.

This plant right now needs some good food i believe. Its lokoing pretty light green from the ;light.

kd

[Bree1978]

Mine are looking a little like that, and my ph was too high on my run-off. I must have smoked and put too much up in the water last time, lol....Bree

[Bree1978]

For what is worth, I took a pic of some leaves with my ph being too high, you decide if they look similar. :jointsmile: Bree

[kdspecial]

Yes I reconize the looks of those leafs, I rember reading that in your thread last week.

im pretty sure thats a sign of the PH yes... But those patchs are nerrotic Which means the Plants Ammune system is out of Wack A low (P) Can cause this. It also causes purpal petoils. (Fan Leaf Stems) Which is somthing I am very familiar with.

I talked with Stinky about this before, and thats what we came up with.

My Ph runoff seems fine. but who knows forsure. I think I didn't feed my plant enough food in the Reveg stage now its lacking in some. Ill turn her around. If not I have more plants.....

thanks for stopping by bree.

Anyone got any ideas on when to harvest the plant? how those Trics lookin?

kd

[Bree1978]

LOL, I just took that picture, it is from a messed up watering I did on Friday......I hadn't even posted about it in my thread yet...ha ha. I personally think my P is locked out because the ph was too high.....my red stems crept up to the top of the plants (into the veins on the leaves too)....So maybe yours is like you said and just hungry.
But the trichs I can't tell by those pics. ....are you seeing any amber yet? Bree

[kdspecial]

Im having a hard time seeing Amber,,, I have posted a thread in indoor growing to try and get some adive. I get more hits there than in this section.

Yeah I think It might be a lock out for me too Or I may need a Micronutrient to help build the plants structure, and immune system. I hate the red stems and veins they have been in all my grows. I can't wait untill I do a grow and I just don't se ethem anymmore...

It will be soo soo Nice..

kd

[Bree1978]

Is your loupe strong enough? I have a good magnifying glass and I couldn't pick up any trich color really (I thought I could), but when I got the micoscope I could see a lot better. I'm sure someone will be able to help in Indoor. GL...B

[kdspecial]

Its a 30X I think it should be able too.. But perhaps not..

kd

[kdspecial]

Update.....

the Summertime Budda plant has had its top cut off. A few picts for ya'lll///

the bottom will go tommrow. Here are some pictures of that.. And the Bud that came from the Indica Phenotype plant.

I smoked a good size joint at the movies on the weekend and I got super stoned. The curing of the weed really makes a difference of taste and high. Its been in Jar for about 12 days now. It will only get better from what i understand too.

kd

[kdspecial]

Heres whats going on in the rest of the box,,,

the seedlings are looking good except one, which has gone completely purpal in the stems and veins. This is a common problem for me with all my grows. I havn't been able to quiet figure it out. Im guessing ProMix now? I don't know. anyways.....

the clones look good as well. But one is getting way to big for Her Pot. She is also fairly Purpal in the stems and veins. Run Off is at 6.5Ph

And the revegged plant is looking kinda scary. Not going to get too much of this one. She looks ready for a good flush. her RUnOff is 6.8 But I think somthing is going on in there. She has Nerotic patches thru her leaves.

The best thing still about this plant regardless of what I get yeild wise is I will get to try the original mother Vs. The Hybrid. Already you can see a huge difference in the Hybrid (BluJay x Bogglegum) vs. the original Female BlueJay The one with The Bog genetics Atribute to more crystals and thicker hairs from what I can see. Bonus!!

kd

[kdspecial]

Im Done...

thanks all who have stopped by... And helped along the way.

I have a pretty good belt under me now.. Only to get better with time as I grow more plants... and become a skilled gardener...

thanks Alll

kd

[ate]

KD You are the CFL KING! :] Nice work, it's inspiration to the rest of us.

[kdspecial]

KD You are the CFL KING! :] Nice work, it's inspiration to the rest of us.

I wish I had a house then I could be the HID King..... I would yeild more.. hahahhaha

I did do pretty good of the Staiva Phenotype "SummerTime budda" plant though. For those of you who have followed. I chopped her a few days ago. She went 10 weeks flower. My guess is a ounce dry perhaps justa gram or two shy... 15inches tall.... Im re Vegging her for some clones forshure...

kd

[stinkyattic]

Nice work KD.
I wish you would turn your rep back on!!!! I just gave you a bunch!
Those plants look amazing for CFLs, and really nice by any standards.
:D

[Bree1978]

Everything looks great KD! :jointsmile: Bree

[kdspecial]

Nice work KD.
I wish you would turn your rep back on!!!! I just gave you a bunch!
Those plants look amazing for CFLs, and really nice by any standards.
:D

I didn't know I could turn my Rep Off..... or on... hahaha

I should look into that...

thansk for your kind words.... alll

kd

[kdspecial]

Where under the options Is The REP Part... I couldn't find anything that Said "Turn Rep on" Or even anything that had anythign to do with REP?

What does more REP give me anyways?

kd

[kdspecial]

Found it I don't know how I even turend that off...


I think Ill be goign to a special store today...... I think ill have time,,,,

kd

[Bree1978]

They did a system change on the rep thing, and it reset it....turning it off for most. What are going to get? do tell...:jointsmile: Bree

[kdspecial]

They did a system change on the rep thing, and it reset it....turning it off for most. What are going to get? do tell...:jointsmile: Bree

I went to the Seed store and picked up some new seed for my Summer Balcony grow.

I got some low ryders... I picked these for their auto flower genetics... You see I live ina Big City and my balcony get hits with Mad Light Pollution at night time.

Forceing me to have to build a tarp cover or Box to get 12 full hours of darkness.

Im hoping I wont have to cover the lowryders and provide total darkness for them. this will save me alot of work I mean alot.. Its hard when you have to cover a plant for the night time,,, cuz you always have to be home on time. and you always have to wake up on time as well.

It was very annoying last summer.

kd

[rabbitslayer]

god damn kd... just read through the whole thread

...

:clap: :greenthumb:

[Bree1978]

I went to the Seed store and picked up some new seed for my Summer Balcony grow.

I got some low ryders... I picked these for their auto flower genetics... You see I live ina Big City and my balcony get hits with Mad Light Pollution at night time.

Forceing me to have to build a tarp cover or Box to get 12 full hours of darkness.

Im hoping I wont have to cover the lowryders and provide total darkness for them. this will save me alot of work I mean alot.. Its hard when you have to cover a plant for the night time,,, cuz you always have to be home on time. and you always have to wake up on time as well.

It was very annoying last summer.

kd

Are you going to do a log? I look forward to it if you are! :jointsmile: Bree

[kdspecial]

god damn kd... just read through the whole thread

...

:clap: :greenthumb:

Thanks duder,,, Its a fun hobby...


And Bree.....

I will do a log just for you. :D :D .. I can't wait for springtime... So many plans... unfortunaly for inside the Cab I can wait cuz it gets so HOT here... Its basically impossible to control the heat in the Cab...

kd

[duckfool]

Awesome grow. It has just convinced me to buy a T5 for little desk cab in my apartment. Is that a 4 bulb 96w New Wave? How much and what type of additional side lighting did you have in the flower area? Sorry for all the questions and if you've answered them already. Thanks in advance!

[duckfool]

Haha, alright, nevermind. I read through everything carfully and found the info I needed. I'm thinking of heading to Bustan and picking one up. How's thier customer service?

[invision]

awesome log KD

you will be the man under HID just dont go overboard and supply your whole city :)

i didnt think CFL grows did as well as yours but again im surprized by skill by yet another grower.....keep growing man it too much fun to give up.

[kdspecial]

Haha, alright, nevermind. I read through everything carfully and found the info I needed. I'm thinking of heading to Bustan and picking one up. How's thier customer service?

Sorry man I didn't check my Log for some time now. I am planning on starting a new one. This ones gettin' Tired...

mine is a 4 bulb 24 W each bulb T5 I got it at bustan. There customer service is really awsome man,,, I willbig up that store over and over. The OPrganic nutrients that guy lead me too Have worked miricles...

Fro example I go in there to buy SuperThrive... He says you can get superthrive,, Or you can pay 5 bucks more and get this,... BIO-GENSIS all oprganic SYNERGY... I bought the super thrive... Cuz I thought I was getting sold. on somthing I didn't need. So then a few months go by and I had some extra CASH SO I WENT THERE AND GOT THE SYNERGY...WoW what a huge difference. My leafs are bigger my stems and stalk are fatter. My roots are doubled. The guy in there is very knowledgable..

He wont tell you how to grow or anything. But he will answer questions etc. He will alsop suggest to read books etc. hes a great guy and they have all the good shit.. I just wish they had somthing other than COCO for growing. But whatever thats what Canadian tire is for ...hahahahh

You in the DT toronto Area?

Thanks for the Props Invision... IO love your grow.. What untill you see my New plants which I plan to post soon in a New Log. the fan leaves are no jopke bigger than my hand and the plant is only 10 inches tall maybe. Its the BIO GENSIS SYNERGY man its like super vitimans.,..

kd

[sharer6969]

Really nice work KD. I've been following the thread, and have got quite a bit out of it. It's certainly given me much to think about in my own growing plans.

I've come to the conclusion that most of the criticisms of CFL growing revolve around a misunderstanding of the real "niche" CFLs are meant to fill - namely, the micro grower, who is really only interested in keeping a garden for his immediate needs, or who wants to "boutique" a few quality plants for some far out straing, etc.

Obviously, for larger operations they become cost prohibitive.

One problem I've perceived, further, is that a lot of the advice being given to micro-growers is usually just a scaled down version of things one would do in a more "commercial" setting. That is not at all a knock at those techniques or the quality of the product they can produce. It simply means that when you go onto a really small scale, your priorities are probably different. Having the absolutely most efficient watt/lumen ratio isn't the only consideration - keepin' it simple, and super stealth are also important.

Further, it's obvious from everything I've seen that cfls really cannot be used at all in the same way HIDs are. They need to be kept close to the plants, which is how they compensate for their lower intensity. Further, they offer a very good colour spectrum if you buy the right bulbs.

I'm still trying to hammer out exactly how I want to do this. But you've certainly been of some assistance with your growlog. Thanks again.

[duckfool]

Sorry man I didn't check my Log for some time now. I am planning on starting a new one. This ones gettin' Tired...

mine is a 4 bulb 24 W each bulb T5 I got it at bustan. There customer service is really awsome man,,, I willbig up that store over and over. The OPrganic nutrients that guy lead me too Have worked miricles...

Fro example I go in there to buy SuperThrive... He says you can get superthrive,, Or you can pay 5 bucks more and get this,... BIO-GENSIS all oprganic SYNERGY... I bought the super thrive... Cuz I thought I was getting sold. on somthing I didn't need. So then a few months go by and I had some extra CASH SO I WENT THERE AND GOT THE SYNERGY...WoW what a huge difference. My leafs are bigger my stems and stalk are fatter. My roots are doubled. The guy in there is very knowledgable..

He wont tell you how to grow or anything. But he will answer questions etc. He will alsop suggest to read books etc. hes a great guy and they have all the good shit.. I just wish they had somthing other than COCO for growing. But whatever thats what Canadian tire is for ...hahahahh

You in the DT toronto Area?

Thanks for the Props Invision... IO love your grow.. What untill you see my New plants which I plan to post soon in a New Log. the fan leaves are no jopke bigger than my hand and the plant is only 10 inches tall maybe. Its the BIO GENSIS SYNERGY man its like super vitimans.,..

kd


Sweet, thanks for the info! I'm actually in Hamilton, but come to Toronto every now and then. They only do coco eh? I'll definately have to check this place out - I just switched to coco :D , with good old Canna nutrients. I think coco is definately well suited for small grows because you need about 1/4 the amount of coco to grow a plant the same size as in soil = more room for the plants! Feed the plants with a wick and you have you very own mini sub-irrigation hydro system that doesn't need any pumps or hose or any of that mess.

But yeah, those plants are bloody impressive for 96w of fluorescent. Your putting some 150hps grows to shame with an ounce per plant. Props!

Have you considered scrog, LST, or any other training method? I bet you could increase your yield even further..something like 50% more, easily :stoned:

[sharer6969]

Sweet, thanks for the info! I'm actually in Hamilton, but come to Toronto every now and then.

Hey duckfool, maybe you can clarify something for me (being in Hamilton 'n all) - is the "Up In Smoke Cafe" in fact totally closed down, or just their actual "smoking" section. I ask, because I'm wondering if they're still up and running to do seed sales out of their storefront.

[duckfool]

Hey duckfool, maybe you can clarify something for me (being in Hamilton 'n all) - is the "Up In Smoke Cafe" in fact totally closed down, or just their actual "smoking" section. I ask, because I'm wondering if they're still up and running to do seed sales out of their storefront.

Hey,

Unfortunately, they are completely closed as far as I know. It's unfortunate that we had to loose one of the countries biggest seedbanks and activism locations, right in our own backyard. :(

[kdspecial]

Hey duckfool, maybe you can clarify something for me (being in Hamilton 'n all) - is the "Up In Smoke Cafe" in fact totally closed down, or just their actual "smoking" section. I ask, because I'm wondering if they're still up and running to do seed sales out of their storefront.

Good thing there is a good place in the same location to get seeds...

Toronto420 Seed Bank - Top Quality Seeds At Affordable Prices (http://www.happygirl.ca/tsb_Indica_Sativa_Seeds_Catalogue.htm)

Right in kensinton

and the better store on young Street..

Sacred Seed - Exotic Seed and Houseplant Shop - Toronto Ontario Canada - Medicinal and Rare Species - Cannabis Sativa / Indica Medical Marijuana / Marihuana / Hemp Seeds Breeders List (http://www.sacredseed.com/prodcann.htm)

boths are great places to grab beans... Good prices too..

kd

[kdspecial]

Really nice work KD. I've been following the thread, and have got quite a bit out of it. It's certainly given me much to think about in my own growing plans.

I've come to the conclusion that most of the criticisms of CFL growing revolve around a misunderstanding of the real "niche" CFLs are meant to fill - namely, the micro grower, who is really only interested in keeping a garden for his immediate needs, or who wants to "boutique" a few quality plants for some far out straing, etc.

Obviously, for larger operations they become cost prohibitive.

One problem I've perceived, further, is that a lot of the advice being given to micro-growers is usually just a scaled down version of things one would do in a more "commercial" setting. That is not at all a knock at those techniques or the quality of the product they can produce. It simply means that when you go onto a really small scale, your priorities are probably different. Having the absolutely most efficient watt/lumen ratio isn't the only consideration - keepin' it simple, and super stealth are also important.

Further, it's obvious from everything I've seen that cfls really cannot be used at all in the same way HIDs are. They need to be kept close to the plants, which is how they compensate for their lower intensity. Further, they offer a very good colour spectrum if you buy the right bulbs.

I'm still trying to hammer out exactly how I want to do this. But you've certainly been of some assistance with your growlog. Thanks again.

just caught this part of the Thread I must have missed it earlier. thanks for the Props guy....

yeah CFLs work for me. one day ill have HID but im doing ok now.... :thumbsup:

kd

[Good_Vibrations]

KD.

We need to hook up at my thread. I've got some plans to throw by you for some advice. Goin CFL brah, lets see how well it will go once I start.

Peace.
G_V

[CovertCarpenter]

...I'm working on two different gardens right at the moment. My main garden is still lit by a single 600w Sunmaster HPS being driven by a Lumatek digital ballast. It fills an approximately 9 to 10 square foot space.

My new 'livingroom' garden is on a lower shelf between two tall bookshelves, and is about two and a half square feet, being lit by 12 CFLs (well, 10 at the moment, but soon to be twelve, as soon as I can find those other big boys in me mess): 4x45w 4100k, 4x26w 6500k, and 4x26w 2700k, for a total of 24,800 lumens (only 18,800 @ the moment, but soon to be fixed).

I want to see if I can achieve similar bud density with the CFLs, as the lumens per square foot ratio is roughly the same in both places. I can get the CFLs closer to the plants tho, and so this is going to get interesting :)

It was getting too crowded in the main garden anyways ;)

[Charbud]

this is 3 years old cc :D

[CovertCarpenter]

... all I have to say is that I'm busy fixing a computer in a downtown TO pot cafe, and was browsing the boards while under the influence of some VERRRRY fine Papaya 'erb....

:S5:

[soooo well cured, kudos to the farmer!]

Thanks for helping me to feel silly :D but Heya... perhaps the original thread-ites are still around...?