My First Ever Grow (Advice more than Welcome)

[soccergal]

Ok...I'm starting this thing from the very beginning and going to go through the whole grow. Hopefully my plants will make it there. I've read the FAQ in depth, and while I'm sure there is much more to learn...I'm going to try to also learn by experience.

For right now, I have 4 seeds germinating. It's just bag seed, but came from some Skywalker I got a while back from Hightimestoner. I'm not sure they'll sprout, but hey, might as well give it a try.

Right now I have them germinating using the paper towel method.

I cut down some papertowel to the size of a ziploc bag. Wet two pieces wrung them out some and put them in my ziploc bag. Then I put the four seeds on top of those papertowels. I wet two more pieces and wrung them out, after whick I placed those on top of the four seeds.

Now we play the waiting game.

[mobay]

try and grab yourself some superthrive, while your waiting.

[soccergal]

Not a bad idea Mobay. I've been debating with myself on which nutes to use.

I picked up lights today. I'm going to start them off Vegging with 2 45W cool spectrum CFL's and gradually increase that to 4, most likely throwing a warm spectrum CFL in the mix.

What do you guys think...should I go 24/0 or 18/6?

When they're ready for flowering I want to add a 400W HPS

[stinkyattic]

Uh oh, you're posting the same thing in 2 forums. Everyone pick one and stick with it so we don't get confused...

[soccergal]

Well I can erase one of them, I just wasn't sure which place would get the most attention. And obviously the more attention it gets, hopefully the better advice there will be.

[kush07]

Try to go organic in all things, soil, ferts, and additives. Make sure your grow space has reflective material in it and there is no light leakage whatsoever. When and if you get some superthrive only use it during vegetative stage. It doesn't do much and in some cases inhibites floral growth. Use sugar doing flowering instead. Try to give your soil a good N count cause higher N levels at the begining of growth helps to promote female tendencies. As for lighting go for a 20/4. Another thing, make sure the circuit you are putting the HPS on can support it. You don't want the house to burn to the ground do you? A good light mix for two plants is three Cool watt CFL on each plant with one Warm CFL over both to help fill out the spectrum. Hope any of this helps.

Happy Toking :rasta:

[soccergal]

Hmmm...seems I may have already made a mistake. I think I got the wrong CFLs. And yet...I didn't see any that said cool.

That said, I bought two of the 42W - 2600 lumen CFL's. but, now that I'm looking on it I see that they are soft white.

I did buy one daylight bulb that is 27W - 1300 lumens.

That said...I have taken nothing out of the packaging because I'm still germinating anyways. Which lights are better? I got these at Home Depot, maybe Walmart has the cool ones. Let me know what you think, I appreciate it guys.

[TokeNAway]

Picked up some Lights of American "Daylight" CFLs from WalMart. 35W (135W replacement) at 2k Lumens. Blue spectrum. Got them specifically because they say "daylight" on the package. Lights of American also makes some that don't have "daylight" on the packaging. These are the ones with the bulb in the circular pattern. They are bigger than the U shaped bulb CFLs that you always see.

Never have seen them at HomeDepot or Lowes.

Walmart doesn't seem to carry a large supply of these. The first time we cleaned them out and only got 4. The next two trips to different Wally-Worlds we couldn't find any. Got 2 and 1 from some WalMarts in a different town (cleaned them out too). So, you'll probably have to hunt for these.

Just started some seedlings, so I can't be certain how they will work. Anyone ever tried these? :confused:

[yabatab]

Is this what you are talkingt about? This is the 42 watt Megalite
also sold as the reading light but both are the same thing
model#2342 these are what in using.

[soccergal]

Ok...got it. I'll go back tommorow and get more of the daylight bulbs. I guess I'll hang on to the soft whites ones until I hear back from someone as to whether I could use them for flowering, or as supplemental lighting or something.

[soccergal]

Is this what you are talkingt about? This is the 42 watt Megalite
also sold as the reading light but both are the same thing
model#2342 these are what in using.

I can't see the packaging on that too well. The style mine are is the spiral lights, and you do need the blue spectrum, or daylight lights. That's the word.

[yabatab]

Those are daylight bulbs $9 at WalMart

[soccergal]

Sounds like that would be perfect. I'll go pick up a few more. Wait till you guys see my little setup. It's funny. And probably not going to work to well...but lol, gotta do the best we can with what we have.

[soccergal]

Just checked my seeds out...2 seem to be close, my ziploc bag smells a little funny. What's that about?

[TokeNAway]

Here is a pic of the CFLs we are using (out of package).

http://boards.cannabis.com/showthread.php?t=72774

[soccergal]

Looks good! I've came up with a picture of my basic setup. It needs some work. But remember I am a first time grower, and am most likely only going to be growing one plant once I sex them. If I can figure out how to put a picture on this dang thing.

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Ok, that's my little sketch. I already know how I'm mounting the two side lights...I'm still thinking about how the three top lights will go on. Hrmmm...

[soccergal]

24hrs into germination...not too much happening yet. Patience is Virtue.

I'm just hoping the seeds were viable. They looked good, but were pretty old so we shall see.

[yabatab]

Just checked my seeds out...2 seem to be close, my ziploc bag smells a little funny. What's that about?

change all of the paper towels and get a new zip lock bag
you have a fungus or mold starting to grow most likely.

[soccergal]

Done...and guess what I saw when switching the bags?

One of them has a root tip!!!!

[soccergal]

bump

[Pothead4204life]

good luck with your grow...decided on your nutes?

[soccergal]

I know I'm using the Terracycle Plant food. It's all natural and made from worm castings. That's the only thing I've definitivaly decided on.

Any suggestions on what else I should use would be welcome.

[soccergal]

Ok Guys...so I have a few seeds in soil now and I'm just waiting to see some sprouts. As soon as I do I'll start posting some pics for you. Also, Just to make it clear...my Rubbermaid grow is two part.

In the diagram a few posts up, that is just one of the boxes. I will be using that to start in order to keep the lights close to the plant. When the plant gets too big, there is a second box that I will be putting on top of that one to double the height.

[soccergal]

bump

[SiXFeEtDeEp]

Ok Guys...so I have a few seeds in soil now and I'm just waiting to see some sprouts. As soon as I do I'll start posting some pics for you. Also, Just to make it clear...my Rubbermaid grow is two part.

In the diagram a few posts up, that is just one of the boxes. I will be using that to start in order to keep the lights close to the plant. When the plant gets too big, there is a second box that I will be putting on top of that one to double the height.

:P. most Rubbermaid Grows are 2 boxes one fliped over for a lid (extra grow space) here is an example of one. mine is basicly the same expect with out the 3rd box and the HPS light ontop of it.

[soccergal]

Awesome! Thanks so much for the pic. Thats what I was picturing except without the 3rd box. Hope it all works out. Still working on the intake and outtake.

[SiXFeEtDeEp]

Well i whould recommend Starting off with the boxes. to adjust light just put a card board box inside with a bunch of box stacked up. that way when they babies grow you take a book a way to make up for the growth. Then in later growth Make another box with Bigger lights. WARM lights all WARM lights. that can be your Flowering box. that way when your babes are ready to hit 12/12 you can germ some more seeds and transfer your babies into the 12/12 and put the germed seeds in teh veg box for veging. that way you get a system goin and have a supply of herbs every month every other month. start off with 3 or more plants and only pick the best 2 for you grow cuz they will out grow the box if you have 3 or 4 unless you planing on soging which im not sure has been done so i odnt' know about that i'd recommend LST, Scrog or both.

For intake out take
well you can do it 2 ways.

1) put on fan blowing air out on the top box on One side and on the Other side on the Bottom box, put a a hole of equal size. or a fan blowing in if the heat becomes and issue.
OR
2)put a fan on TOP of the Top box right in the middle and on the bottom box put 2 holes, One on each size of Half or Three Quarter Size.
which is the case of what im doin

[soccergal]

Well I scrapped my first attempt to germinate the seeds. I think I kept the too warm and moist. I say this because I planted when I saw the white tip...but after over a week...I dug them up only to find that they hadn't progressed at all, and one of the white tips had turned a dark color.

That said...I have retried, and things seem to be going much better. After talking to Mordok and Psycho4bud, I decided to try soaking my seeds in water with a little hydrogen peroxide for 48hrs. Then I put them in some Scotts Potting Soil for Seed Starting. These are the specs.


Fast-rooting formula of water-absorbing sphagnum peat moss and perlite, specifically designed to germinate and grow seeds
Also ideal for establishing root and stem cuttings
Phosphorous added for strong root development
Backed by Scotts No-Quibble Guarantee of complete satisfaction


I also added a little hydrogen peroxide when I watered them so that when they popped they would be greeted by oxygen. I waited a few days and watered again as the soil was getting dry. Today...I couldn't wait any longer to see if things were going successfully. So I carefully moved aside the dirt to see one of the seeds...and low and behold...there was a corkscrew shaped root going on...and the seed was halfway split.

That said...I think there is only a few more days before I'm seeing some baby's popping up!!! Wish me luck guys!!!! I can't wait to get this show on the road!

[SiXFeEtDeEp]

Well I scrapped my first attempt to germinate the seeds. I think I kept the too warm and moist. I say this because I planted when I saw the white tip...but after over a week...I dug them up only to find that they hadn't progressed at all, and one of the white tips had turned a dark color.

That said...I have retried, and things seem to be going much better. After talking to Mordok and Psycho4bud, I decided to try soaking my seeds in water with a little hydrogen peroxide for 48hrs. Then I put them in some Scotts Potting Soil for Seed Starting. These are the specs.


Fast-rooting formula of water-absorbing sphagnum peat moss and perlite, specifically designed to germinate and grow seeds
Also ideal for establishing root and stem cuttings
Phosphorous added for strong root development
Backed by Scotts No-Quibble Guarantee of complete satisfaction


I also added a little hydrogen peroxide when I watered them so that when they popped they would be greeted by oxygen. I waited a few days and watered again as the soil was getting dry. Today...I couldn't wait any longer to see if things were going successfully. So I carefully moved aside the dirt to see one of the seeds...and low and behold...there was a corkscrew shaped root going on...and the seed was halfway split.

That said...I think there is only a few more days before I'm seeing some baby's popping up!!! Wish me luck guys!!!! I can't wait to get this show on the road!


Awsome. plz enlighten me on what you did Step by Step and how much. to get your results. my seeds died :(

[soccergal]

Ok...remember I am no type of pro...so what I did, may not have been the best way.


First I took a cup and filled it with bottled water that I had let sit out overnight.
I then added a couple capfuls of hydrogen peroxide the 3% variety.
Next, I put in my seeds.
I shut the cup in a drawer right by my computer monitor...which kept it relatively warm.
I let this sit for around 24 hours and checked on them.
They were all at the bottom of the cup, at which point I allowed them to sit for another 24hrs.
After that 24 hr period I got my containers ready and put my seeds directly into the soil.
Soaking the seeds allows the shell to soften and them to open easier.
Putting them directly in soil and skipping paper towel method avoids the issue of having to handle the seed and possibly damage the tap root.
I left them for a few days before gently pushing aside the dirt on one to see if they were progressing and I am happy to say they are!!!


That's all I did as far as germination.

[SiXFeEtDeEp]

lol thought the Bullets you added in earlier post were stuff YOU added to soil. but then i relized we both using the same soil. did you add any lime or extra perlite to it? i added about 40% perlite for extra dranage. pluse a dash of dolomite lime. did you add any lime>

or did you just put the soil out of the bag in the cups. germed your seeds w/ luke warm water with 3 cap of 3%(alchole??) hydrogen peroxide. for 24 to 48 hrs to soften shell But not until they break. then put directly in to your untampererd (no lime, or extra perlite add) soil?

how much water did you add to the soil for moister?
how many days tell you saw the root growth?
did you add any Hydro Perox. to the water for Moisting the soil?? or watering?

thx. im a nub indoor grower. i grew one time last year and that was out door in which i just poped a hole in the ground poped a seed in it and long be hold 5 months later i got a 11'4" female looking like a christmas tree :P. so we goin to learn together :P cool?

[soccergal]

Well my friends...I'm excited to say, we have lift off!!!! I woke up this morning and lo and behold one of my seeds has shed it's shyness and decided to come up!!! I will post a pic tonight. This grow journal is officially growing!!!!


Now...in response to questions:


lol thought the Bullets you added in earlier post were stuff YOU added to soil. but then i relized we both using the same soil. did you add any lime or extra perlite to it? i added about 40% perlite for extra dranage. pluse a dash of dolomite lime. did you add any lime?

If you're using the same soil that I did, then I don't think you really need to add anything during the seedling stage. You could add a little more perlite but it's already in the soil. I just left it as is. With the exception of I squirted a little bit of Terracycle All Purpose Plant food. It's all natural...won't cause nute burn or anything like that. I won't use anything else until the plant is 3 weeks old.


or did you just put the soil out of the bag in the cups. germed your seeds w/ luke warm water with 3 cap of 3%(alchole??) hydrogen peroxide. for 24 to 48 hrs to soften shell But not until they break. then put directly in to your untampererd (no lime, or extra perlite add) soil?

Yes, I took the soil out of the bag and put it in my containers...I then drenched with water until it came out of the bottom. After all excess water had drained, I made a little hole for my seeds and placed them in. Covered with a little dirt. And watered again.

The seeds were germed with lukewarm water with 3 capfuls of hydrogen peroxide. This helps kill any bacteria that may be on the seeds. 3% refers to the strength, not alchohol.

Untampered soil is right.


how much water did you add to the soil for moister?
how many days tell you saw the root growth?
did you add any Hydro Perox. to the water for Moisting the soil?? or watering?


I explained about the water. Seeds need moisture. You don't want to wait until the soil gets dry to water. It should be moist at all times. This is my opinion...but it makes sense right?

I saw root growth after 2 - 3 days. And like I said...today I've got a seedling!!! and this is the 4th day. The seedling looks very good and healthy. Yes, I added some hydrogen peroxide to the water that I watered with the first time. Since then I have kept it moist with just water.


thx. im a nub indoor grower. i grew one time last year and that was out door in which i just poped a hole in the ground poped a seed in it and long be hold 5 months later i got a 11'4" female looking like a christmas tree :P. so we goin to learn together :P cool?

I'm a noobie myself. But I have done a lot of research...and I believe that I am on the right track. At 3 weeks I will transplant my plant into a new pot with the soil it will spend it's life in. That Scotts soil is for seedling, and will feed them everything they need for the first 3 weeks. Here are some different options as to mixtures you can use next.

1/3 each of:


peat vermiculite perlite
sand vermiculite perlite
peat vermiculite worm castings
worm manure coarse sand
worm perlite vermiculite


or 1/2 each of:


peat perlite


Those measurements came from "Ready Set Grow."

[soccergal]

As for lime...1 cup of dolomite lime per square foot of whichever mixture you choose.

[soccergal]

Here she be folks! Day 1 of the seedling stage.

[LIP]

Looking good. Get the CFL's as close as you can, and make sure the temps are between 70- 75F

And remember, no nutes untill at least 3 weeks into the grow

Goodluck.

[soccergal]

Gotchca Lip. Still haven't decided on the nutes. What do you think?

[SiXFeEtDeEp]

yeah i got about 1 year reasearch here. 3 years research on OverGrow (RIP)
i still got the OverGrow FAQs. and a SHIT LOAD of Favs. i just never heard of using peroxide. well not in starting em anyways. pluse i only got one grow under my belt which was out-side... here a couple other soil mixes if you want to go all organic or both. pluse the link to wherer i got this info.

40% composted soil
30% worm castings
20% perlite
10% dolomite, guanos, goodies, etc.. i've also heard good things about "uncle
malcolm" brand soil from peaceful valley is good....

if you're mixing organics with chem ferts, the plant will use up what the chem
ferts feed it first, then partaking afterwards in the organic nutes. the beauty of
organics is it's almost impossible to burn your plants, and the taste is superior to
chem. grown plants.

i use pure blend 1 - 0.5 -1 for veg and fox farm big bloom 0.8 - 3.0 - 1 for
flowering. they're expensive but the plants really like it. sometimes i'll make a tea
out of worm castings & guano. peace




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9 gallons peat moss
3 gallons vermiculite
6 gallons perlite
1 pound blood meal
1 pound bone meal
1 pond green sand
1 pound lime or dolomite lime
1 pound rock phosphate
Pinch of boron (borax is an inexpensive source)
Blend these ingredients in a small cement mixer or in a large barrel with a tight fitting lid that will let you
roll it around to mix the contents. If you have to stir the ingredients in an open container, moisten them
SLIGHTLY with water to avoid breathing in clouds of dust as you work.
Do not use more than a pinch of boron. It encourages root growth, but its levels can quickly go from
helpful to harmful in the soil. Once you get the soil all mixed you can add some manure tea (see recipe
below). The lime in this mix helps to neutralize the acidity of the manure tea.

Manure Tea

10 to 15 gallons manure (combine horse, chicken, and cow manure to get a nice balance of nutrients.
5 gallon bucket of chickweed and/or stinging nettles.
Water to fill 55 gallon drum (you'll need a well ventilated area to pull this off!!)
Dump manure(s) in the bottom of the drum. Add chickweed and/or nettles, both of which are rich in
trace elements, then fill drum with water.
Once a week stir the "tea" and add water to replace any that has evaporated. You'll need a brewing time
of at least 3 weeks before using this tea in the potting soil mix.

http://www.onlinepot.org/grow/goodsoil.htm

grow faqs from Over Grow - http://www.drugs-forum.com/growfaq/GrowFAQ%20Basic%20Topics.htm

and lol them pots u using look like the ones i got at the doller store :p

thx for the info also.

Fox farm or BioBizz is pretty populare stuff. or any Organic Nuts are good IMO.
also are you Lsting Scrogin or both? If you LST make sure to start tying them down when they get 2-3 nodes so the stress inst as bad. and i would say 2-3 weeks sounds good before repoting. usually ppl wait until they see roots coming out of the drain holes. but after you repot swith to 12/12 cuz the box is goin to fell up Quick and will probably only fit 2 pots. 3 at the most. i haven't seen any rubbermaids with more then 2 plants in it but im sure if you train right you can fit 3.

[soccergal]

I'm LSTing and I really only intend to grow one plant. As soon as they show sex I'll take whichever female is thriving and that will be my girl. Well...what's wrong with dollar store pots??? They're only gonna be in there for 3 weeks...so I figure it doesn't really matter. I have better/bigger pots for them next. Thanks for the info on organics. The plant food I have is organic made from worm castings and is .03-.002-.02. So, I know I need something stronger...but this will be a good foilage spray option.

Also...I'm going to try to get them to 6 weeks before I switch to flower. Unless they're really getting cramped. I think that will give them a chance to grow and what not.

I think the big reason I want to stick to organic is the possibility of nute burn. I just don't want to have to worry about that. We'll see how it goes though.

Thanks for the links!!!!

[soccergal]

ANOTHER SPROUT!!!!!!

That and I've decided which nutes I'm going to be using. I'm gonna stick with Organic and use the following.

Earthjuice Grow = Nitrogen
Earthjuice Bloom= Phosphorous
Meta - K = Potassium
Microblast = other nutrients...(I'm gonna use this as a foilage spray)

Still thinking about what I want to use in my soil type mix.

[soccergal]

Oh...and the strains I'm working with are Skywalker and C99 x Nevilles Haze.

[soccergal]

Alright guys...Here are some new pics.

The first is last night when I caught my skywalker in the act of breaking the soil. That's the best I could get. I'm having trouble deciding what setting my digital camera should be on to get the best pics.

The second is a close up of the above.

The third is my C99 X Neville's Haze on day two. The pics in my last post were it's first day.

The fourth is my skywalker now that it's up.

I'm finding it quite interesting to note the differences already. The C99's leaves are facing up whereas you can see that the skywalker has one leaf that goes towards the ground. They both look healthy, with slightly purpleish stems. What do you guys think? Same light, same soil and what not.

[Organic Rasta]

SoccerGal.......Im an Earth Juice lover in soil.....

In Foxfarm Ocean Forest soil.....I add at the first transplant 2:1 ratio of worm castings and perlite, 1 tablespoon of blood meal, 2 tablespoons of bone meal, 3 tablespoons greensand plus, and a touch of lime and seaweed meal (a tablespoon of each most times)......

Now the feedings from the beginning go like this ......altho' a lot of people think you can't burn with organic nutes and ferts....you can !!
....so I say this.....

I start the first feeding at Mild....using Grow, Bloom, Meta K and Microblast all at the MILD feeding dosage....but use it at 1/2 strength of mild.

I feed every watering so this is my method....it's basically smaller feedings every watering for 2 weeks.

Then I step up to MILD at full strength....2 weeks

.....I then step up to Normal, but the feedings are every other watering then.

I don't know the amount of feeding you make up or mix but I use gallon containers.
I mix the prescribe amount pH it and then pH a second gallon of aged water

....I then mix these equally 1/2 and 1/2 in another empty container. Which makes 2 gallons of pHed food for me......like I said ....it's my method and it works well.

It's a weed and will grow crazy like one....but treat it wisely

[soccergal]

I'm trying to follow your feeding schedule...let me see if I have this right.

I had decided to use Foxfarm Ocean Forest Soil. I was going to do it as follows: 1/2 Foxfarm, 1/4 Vermiculite, 1/4 perilite. What do you think of doing that...and adding in the blood meal, bonemeal, dolomite lime? These are all things I know I have access to.

As for the feedings...Would this be a correct interpretation.

Week 1 - 3: No Nutes till 4 or 5th set of alternating nodes/transplant
Week 4: You said use the suggestions for mild, but at half strength. So that would be 1/4 tbsp of grow, 1/4 tbsp bloom, 1/4 tsp Meta K, and 1-2 tsp of the microblast (using as foilage spray). Or were you suggesting I make a mix of full strength mild...and also ph a gallon of aged water. Then put half and half in another container so that would yeild 1 gallon of the half strength mild mixture, and then add the remaining water to the 1/2 gallon of full strength mild mixture...therefore having 2 full gallons of half strength mix?

That seemed long winded huh? Just making sure I got it.

You do that every watering for 2 weeks.

Week 6: Switch to Mild at full strength still feeding every watering

Week 8: Switch to Normal but every other watering.

Ok...so you use the same mix all the way through. There is no change from vegetative stage to flowering? I'm curious about this. I know the Meta K is needed throughout the grow. But I was not aware that you were to continue to use the grow during bloom...or use the bloom during grow. Therefore...did I understand correctly that you use all THROUGHOUT the grow? It seems to me that that certaintly would be beneficial to the plant. So yes...Am I getting this right?


<~kinda out of it

[soccergal]

Also...thanks so much for the input Rasta!!!!! :)

[soccergal]

No comments on the fact that one of my seedlings looks like she's got her arms up in the air like "PRAISE JESUS!!" or the fact that my other one is obviously a lesbian cause she's got that leaf hanging down like she can't keep her tongue in her mouth? Anyone?

Should I be worried?

[dusto2k3]

they look fiiiine

[soccergal]

They're doing good growth wise. Not sure why only 2 of the 8 came up...but that's ok. I was only going to go ahead with 1 or 2...but was going to wait till they were old enough to sex. Now I have to just hope one or both are girls.

Not much more in the way of height, as I've kept my lights close, but the leaves are getting bigger. I'll post pics when there is a significant change. Oh and Organic Rasta, did I get it right?

[yabatab]

Hey soccergal what kind of CFL's did you end up with? If you got
any of those 42 watt CFL's I recomended save those for flowering.
I just found out myself they are 2,700 which is warm.

[soccergal]

Hey soccergal what kind of CFL's did you end up with? If you got
any of those 42 watt CFL's I recomended save those for flowering.
I just found out myself they are 2,700 which is warm.


I've sort of got a mix. I have a 42 W bulb that is cool spectrum 6500K. I also have 3 27W cool spectrums at 6500K. I also have two 42W warm spectrum bulbs which I'm not using yet. But I may include one of them with my grow to even out the spectrum some.

You can find them at Walmart though...They say Daylight 100. Cool Daylight Color. Like in the picture! I like these bulbs. The bigger 42W Daylight bulb has a really nice shape to it. So yes, Walmart and Home Depot.

[soccergal]

So that said, I've got the three 26/27 Watters at 1600 lumens a pop. And I've got the one 42W daylight cfl's wich I don't have the package but think is 2600 lumens. And I think I'm gonna add one of my warm spectrum 2700K 2600 lumen warm spectrum bulbs. Which will be a total of 10000 lumens in Veg. And I have a small area and am just gonna be growing two plants.

[soccergal]

Some pics... First 2 are Ms. C99 x Nevilles haze. I believe I'll name her Hermione.

Last 3 are the Skywalker, believe I'll name her R23P0. Haha...

Yeah not really much reason to update...leafs are definitly getting bigger...and I'm happy to say they are not stretching.

[soccergal]

I am taking this info from Organic Rasta that I found in a thread in Organic Growing.

It's a lot like what he told me before but more detailed. I'm putting it here as it's most likely what I'm going to be doing with mine, and good information is important to include in these things.


Lookin good there Redman.....

I grew from seed this go round so I fed using all of the Earth Juice products once I started feeding. The only one I don't use is the catalyst

I built up to a normal feeding from 1/4 the strength....sounds mild but it works from day 12 of the plants lifeand once the leaves are a dark healthy green I skip feedings with aged pHed water.

At the beginning of flowering I kept the Earth Juice Grow at the normal strength for 2 weeks and then backed off slowly once the stretch had calmed down enough to not make the plant use the N up too fast and early.

.....in flowering I also use the Grow at mild strength too, the Bloom at a teaspoon stronger than normal and the meta k at normal plus a teaspoon.
I don't forget the "K"; it's just as important in flowering.
The microblast I use has never gone past mild.
I also supplement with Jamaican Bat Guano.....a teaspoon sprinkled on the top of the soil and fingered into the top 2 inches.

Now for the end ....coming close to finishing.....three weeks before harvest I use aged h2o....pHed ofcourse and that's it......I let the plant do it's thing in 3 weeks and don't take any of the leaves off at all thru it's life. Those are the plant's solar panels.


In my opinion Earth Juice is a complete feeding regiment and should be used together and not just as one source during your feedings. Just my opinion.


stay green Bro
Jah Bless

Just putting it here to keep record of what I'm gonna do.

[soccergal]

Well my friends, I'm happy to say that my little girls are growing! It's been 5 days now and I believe I see a set of leaves growing. I took some pics for you all to see. This is a milestone, sort of like the first step.

Also, you'll notice one of the "baby leaves" is somewhat browned. I'm questioning if maybe I have too much light on them right now. But I don't know that that's possible. Only 3 of my lights are on them currently. So...I don't know what that's about.

Umm...no nutes yet, obviously. I'm watering every other, to every third day, basically going on the way the soil feels and their weight. I'm not exactly sure how much growth should be seen in a week...but here you have it. Oh, and also, one of them used to have a purple stem, but new stem growth is green. Interesting.

Pics are best quality I could get. ENJOY!

First two are the sky, last three are the C99 x Nevilles Haze.

[yabatab]

Are you talking about the water leaf turning brown? They will
do that they die off after they have served their purpose.

Looks good for a week I cant wait to see them in a month.

:thumbsup:

[SiXFeEtDeEp]

word on that.
they looking healthy

finaly droped the 3 seeds into the soil. going for round 2. :P
so how long tell you saw a seedling pop out of the soil?
and after you waterd droped the seed in and then rewaterd... how long until you water agin? when the soil is dry?

[soccergal]

I'm no authority on the issue, but I personally had light on mine so as soon as they sprouted they had light. And it only took...hmm...2 days I guess. I kept everything pretty moist. Probably more than I should have as some of my seeds rotted...but...these two seem to be doing very well!

I guess we all learn as we go.

[soccergal]

Are you talking about the water leaf turning brown? They will
do that they die off after they have served their purpose.

Looks good for a week I cant wait to see them in a month.

:thumbsup:

Yes, it is the water leaf I guess. I'm glad to know that's normal! Thank you very much for commenting.

I can't wait to see them in a month myself! Just from yesterday until today there has been growth, its awesome to see.

[SiXFeEtDeEp]

did you have lights on them when you put the seeds in teh soil? or did you keep them in teh dark tell they sprouted?

[SiXFeEtDeEp]

after you put the seeds in teh soil did you put the lights on them right away or wait tell they sprouted?

[soccergal]

after you put the seeds in teh soil did you put the lights on them right away or wait tell they sprouted?

I kept the light on them. It helped provide warmth, and also, if I wasn't here when they sprouted, I wanted to make sure they had immediate light. I have limited space as is, so the less stretching the better!

[SiXFeEtDeEp]

cool.
ok then from Day 1 in the soil how logn until you water agin?? did you wait until the soil was dry and immediatly water? or did you water ass soon as the pots were geting lighter so to keep moister in the soil?

oh and im using the same pots you have from the dollor stor (wasn't knocking themwas shocked to see some else using them too :P)

[soccergal]

Yeah those pots aren't bad. I think it's a decent idea to start them off in the smaller pots so they can establish a strong rootball.

As for watering, I'm gonna say I probably end up doing it every other day or so. I go by the moisture of the soil. Same method as most...kinda poke the soil and if it's still moist give it a bit. But be careful not to let it dry out.

[SiXFeEtDeEp]

so i should probably water tommarow then huh? being that would be day 2 in the soil?

[yabatab]

Id start to cut back on the water a tad you dont want your root
systems getting root rot. Once you cut back on the water the
root system will grow out cause the roots will be trying to find
new places they can access water. Just dont let them dry out.

[soccergal]

Thanks Yabatab!

That's a good idea. I'm suprised at how fast one of the plants root system is growing. I can see the roots at the bottom already...but the other, I don't think it's doing to much. That may be part of the reason. Maybe I'll start going every 3 days.

[SiXFeEtDeEp]

So keeping the soil moist = ????

just to the water passes the seedling?
until the water comes out the drain holes??

[jamstigator]

For seedlings, I use a spray bottle and just keep the top inch of the soil moist. Once they have grown beyond the first set of little leaves, I start watering more, and gradually increase the amount I spritz for the first week, then start watering normally (e.g. infrequently) until water seeps from the bottom. That's what works for me.

[SiXFeEtDeEp]

awsome answer thx.

[SiXFeEtDeEp]

ok next question.

so basicly every day spray em?

[jamstigator]

The first couple or three days, I spritz lightly, but frequently, every four or six hours or so, so the soil gets neither too wet nor too dry. Those first few days are when the babies are their most vulnerable, so I give 'em a little extra care. ;)

[SiXFeEtDeEp]

k cool. i gave them a good soaking (tell water came out the holes) so im goin to leave for em alone for a couple days(as far as watering) and let the soil dry out a lil. then ill spray with water till it starts collecting then stop. sound good or should i adjust somthing?

[soccergal]

That sounds good Six! Thanks so much for all the input Jamstigator!

[soccergal]

Heres a little picture update of the ladies! (Hopefully) I've still had them on 24 hr. light. Aged water. I've taken Yabatab's advice and it seems to have worked because I can definitly see roots going on! YAY!

As you can see, my Skywalker, which sprouted AFTER the C99 has taken a lead. In the pics I posted on the 6th you could see a few little leaves beginning to grow, well now there are more. It has 8 and has more starting in the middle. My plants really haven't grown upward very much. I'm trying to limit the stretching, however I do wonder if I'm gonna need to let them stretch some to get alternating nodes, or if that will just happen on its own? Any thoughts on that?

Here are the pics! This is day 9th of growth.

These are the Skywalker, I'll post the C99 next.

[soccergal]

Ok...C99!

Here she be!

So...how am I doing 9 days in?

[Bodom Children Of]

Lookin' good so far! :thumbsup:
Do you have air movement over the plants? :confused:
It could strengthen those stems, they look a little weak. :stoned:

[SiXFeEtDeEp]

k couple questions.

is there such thing as to much perlite for soil mediums? cuz i water but when i let the cups rest the top layer of soil is almost 80% perlite. now im worried that the seeds and staying moist due to to much perlite. is this a possable problem?

also i use a 120 mm fan in a 2 30gal rubbermaids. my room is an avg 70degrees somteims cooler. now should i even use a fan? using about 200+w CFLs and i got the fan right on top of the box so im worried that im not even allowing the box to get warm enough? is it possble?

[soccergal]

Sounds like a good idea. I don't currently have much going in the way of airflow, but plan to construct my intake out take here shortly. That should provide enough air movement.

No one wants weak stems!!!

[soccergal]

k couple questions.

is there such thing as to much perlite for soil mediums? cuz i water but when i let the cups rest the top layer of soil is almost 80% perlite. now im worried that the seeds and staying moist due to to much perlite. is this a possable problem?

also i use a 120 mm fan in a 2 30gal rubbermaids. my room is an avg 70degrees somteims cooler. now should i even use a fan? using about 200+w CFLs and i got the fan right on top of the box so im worried that im not even allowing the box to get warm enough? is it possble?

It's great how this thread has turned into a Q & A for you.

As for their being too much perlite, I'm sure it's possible. I believe that you should probably have at most a 1:1 ratio. So, maybe half your medium should be perlite, but not 80%. I also already shared with you some of the different mixes you could try. Just go to like the second page of this thread and you'll see where we already had that conversation. Hope this helps!

[SiXFeEtDeEp]

first-sry didn't mean to hijack your thread :(

second-when i spoke about the 80% perlite. i mean just the top quarter inch of the top is mostly perlite. as if when i water it makes all the soil sink to the bottom and the seed is just surronded by perlite and no soil. at least thats what im worried about.

agin sorry

[soccergal]

Thanks Omega!

Six, I had a problem with a few of mine like that. Because the soil did that when watered, they ended up much deeper than I would have liked them to be. Maybe this is why some people only put small amounts of perlite in the actual soil, but put a layer at the bottom. Hmmm...something to think about. Also, vermiculite retains moisture. Right? I know one is for drainage and one retains moisture but it's like...6 something a.m. I don't function at this hour. LOL. That said, I'd look into that. If you added some vermiculite then maybe you wouldn't have to worry so much about your seed not getting water. Just some thoughts.

As for hijacking my thread. We all need a hijacking once in awhile. Keeps us on our toes. Plus, try to answer your questions is beneficial to this whole learning process. Which is exactly what it is. I'd assume that whether you're new or old to this there are always new things to learn.

So yes...hijacker you are, but I don't mind! I kind of like that someone is keeping regular tabs on this thread, so hijack away, and hopefully I'll continue to see you on here.

[SiXFeEtDeEp]

Thanks Omega!

Six, I had a problem with a few of mine like that. Because the soil did that when watered, they ended up much deeper than I would have liked them to be. Maybe this is why some people only put small amounts of perlite in the actual soil, but put a layer at the bottom. Hmmm...something to think about. Also, vermiculite retains moisture. Right? I know one is for drainage and one retains moisture but it's like...6 something a.m. I don't function at this hour. LOL. That said, I'd look into that. If you added some vermiculite then maybe you wouldn't have to worry so much about your seed not getting water. Just some thoughts.

As for hijacking my thread. We all need a hijacking once in awhile. Keeps us on our toes. Plus, try to answer your questions is beneficial to this whole learning process. Which is exactly what it is. I'd assume that whether you're new or old to this there are always new things to learn.

So yes...hijacker you are, but I don't mind! I kind of like that someone is keeping regular tabs on this thread, so hijack away, and hopefully I'll continue to see you on here.


yeah im not sure what the hell is goin on. i just trashed my 2nd attepmt :(. woke up this morning (about an hour ago) looked at the pots in hopes of seeeing something...nothing. so i try to lightly push away the dirt to find the seeds and i look and NO SEEd??? what the heck happend to my seed??? no steem system no nothing. just dirt and perlite. so i dump one pot and spent 10 min looking for the seed andnothing. huh. is that what you meant by, ''Because the soil did that when watered, they ended up much deeper than I would have liked."

so far i have had 0 success. 0% germination rate. and is really bring me down :( who was it you talked to for help? i need there # :P cuz somthing is wrong and i can't determin or fix it

[invision]

place your seeds bewteen two moist paper towels and leave them be for 3 days just make sure you keep them damp and not wet cover them in some clear wrap they will sprout in the towels then you place them 1-2" in the dirt

[SiXFeEtDeEp]

is the towl method better then the cup mythod? i would think there is a possablitly that your rott could get cought in the pors of the tissue and could damage the root.

so what is causing my seed to dissapear?

[invision]

probly just bad seeds if it was bag seed its known to suck at times every seed i ever germed i just put right into the soil and added about 4oz of water every 4-5 days they popped the soil in 4 days and continued the water the same until they were on the 2nd set of leaves.

[soccergal]

It's really not possible that it just dissapeared. You most likely just mistook it for dirt. By going deeper I mean that when I put my seeds in the soil the soil was BARELY covering it. I mean, I could almost see the seed, and then sprinkled some soil over top. But when I watered, it pushed the seed down deeper. You don't need to pack your soil, watering it will do that.

The cup method does work. Bag seed is kind of a gamble. You never know what your success rate is going to be. That said, one of my plants is from bag seed. And it's growing stronger than my other plant. So...you never know.

If you want, you can do the cup method, and then go to the paper towel method. This seems to work for most. I simply skipped it as it was suggested to me that by doing so I'd be less likely to mess up the root and as I'm a newb. the less fool proof, the better!!!

And also, are you using the same seeds as your previous attempts? Because if so, this may be an indication that your seeds are not mature. That doesn't mean that none of them will pop, it just means that not all will. I think that was the case with mine.

Everyone I've talked to is pretty much in this forum. Another good place to go is the chatroom. There are usually some very helpful people in there. That said, anything you could want to know about germination can be found here on the boards using the search function. Trust me!

Remember green seeds, or even plain tan are usually not mature enough. You want to give the seeds a little squish to make sure they don't crack. If they crack, they're no good. There is plenty more info like this out there. Hopefully you figure it out. Good Luck!

[Treetops]

I always give my seeds wheather pot or tomato,cukes, whatever.. a 24 hour presoak with water from my fish tank...Then to the paper towels...with great success....

[qdavid]

I've posted questions here and there, done massive amount of reading, and seen this thread a few times. My grow is similiar to yours soccer. I'm growing my 4 babies in a small cab, mylared, computer fan (but desk fan going also), with 6-26w cool whites, 8" pots, and a timer. I've also got 4-42w soft whites but did a bunch of research finally finding out GE soft whites are 2700-3000k. So I'll flower with them. I used the paper towel method germinating and all four I tried sprouted. Hence, I've got three pots going now and will transplant out of the one that has two plants in it after I can sex 'em, I plan to LST after the 4 or 5th node, cause the cab's only 32" tall. I'm gonna try to take some clones from the girls and evetually ScrOG 'em. I think mine sprouted about the same time as yours. Mine were about 1Sep. I almost did my 30-10-10 nute thing today, but I think I better wait another week or two. The babies are right up (1/2"-1") under the bulbs. I've read they can even touch and not to worry about it. I think I'll do the mollases for flowering fert thing. Sure sounds good. And proper curing is also important, apparently. So anyway, good luck. Happy growing. Just remember we are gonna make mistakes on a first grow, but the good people here will help, for sure

[soccergal]

So anyway, good luck. Happy growing. Just remember we are gonna make mistakes on a first grow, but the good people here will help, for sure

Thanks! Yes, I'm sure there are going to be mistakes. Hopefully none too deadly. Your grow does sound a lot like mine. Except I've only got two plants going. I'm really hoping at least one is female. I know it's too early to tell sex,
but one of mine does already have what looks like pistils. So...hopefully that will end up being what they are. Only time will tell.

I'm also going to be LSTing. I know I need to transplant mine, but I'm trying to wait till around week 3. By that time I think they'll be much stronger and I can start with the nutes. It is my understanding that you should wait until around week 3 to introduce the nutes.

I have also thought about cloning, but I really haven't looked into it too much. I will though at some point look at that information. Curing seems to be very important, and takes patience. That is something I definitly have.

Good luck to you!!!

[dusto2k3]

i took 5 seeds from dr chronic. Put them in water till they cracked and a little root started. Then put them into RW cubes. Viola, 4 out of the 5 have sprouted in 3 days.

[stoned raiders]

hey soccer, i started my grow pretty much the same time as you did, and i got to tell you, ur plants look very much upto shapes. Ur probably around day 10 or 11 and u had 5x the number leaves. looks good trust me, and thanks for the info on streching; so yeah i am definatly gonna be checking out this thread from time to time to see what my plants should be looking like.

[soccergal]

Alright friends, I've got issues. Two leaves on each plant are discolored and seem to be passing on. I've read about first sets of leaves dying off, but thought it was the round leaves...not REAL leaves. Heres some pics. I'm not sure what the prob could be. Then again, maybe it's normal. HELP!

Other than that...they're a bit droopy cause they were just watered. Or at least that's what I think. Transplantation should be coming up soon. I said I'd wait till 3 weeks, but maybe I should do it sooner. They're at about the 2 week mark now. What do you think guys?

Attached on this post is the C99.

Skywalker will follow.

[soccergal]

Skywalker

[doco]

The bottom searated leaves wouldn't be yellowing and dying naturally this early...usually not for a couple months. It's some other factor. At this early stage I would say too much water? If I understand the thread, you are not giving them nutes yet....they are not stretching and they look full, so light is probably not an issue at this point.

To be honest I've only done outdoor grows, so I'm not familiar with the differences between the two growing styles, but plants are still plants.

I've been lurking this site for a few weeks, reading the threads, and learning from you and all the others here who have been so generous to document their experiences and help me as I plan my first indoor grow. All the parts & pieces for my room are in the mail and I should be up and running by next weekend. When it's closer to planting, I'll start a thread too (and not hijack yours!! haha, jk deepsix) :D

I hope your babies get better soon. Hopefully you'll get some better pointers from someone here who had already been through your dilema and knows exactly what the problem is.

[soccergal]

Yeah Doco...from asking around and talking to Bobbong and Smokey it seems it's time to transplant. That and start up with the nutes. I was waiting till the 3 week mark...but hey...they need it earlier. Might be becoming root bound or dwarfed. So I'm gonna curb that NOW.

Yeah they are not stretching...I've been careful to keep the lights close. But it's been suggested that they are dwarfing. I'm not sure what that means. They are definitly growing...just not really upward. But then again, that's what I was going for....and why I've kept my lights so close.

So...who knows!?! Not me. All I can do is try what's been suggested and hope for the best.

As for you and your grow, good luck! I'm not sure what you can learn from me...but I'm bound to learn from my own mistakes so if you can learn from them too that's all the better. I think I have a decent grasp on lights and nutes and soil. But...that's about it. LOL.

As for hijacking...it's just one big party so go right ahead. Wouldn't want my buddy six to get lonely. HEHE. Joking SIX!

[invision]

could be a lack of N but before you do that they need a repotting into a bigger pot like 7in they could be getting root bound id pick up ome 10-0-0 anyways just to have it so transplant them wait 2 days and feed them

[SiXFeEtDeEp]

maybe im wrong but Invision don't you want High N/K and during flowerin no more N/K and High P?

[qdavid]

9 days? Mine are 1/2 that. Good for you. I misted a couple times. Thought I burned 'em. But I guess not. I think it's a Ph problem. My well water's way too acid. Tested on meter 5.7. I'll just be putting sulfur in the water from now on I guess. Anyway, looking good so far.

[invision]

yeah high N is the first number like 10-0-0 and then flower nutes like 10-50-10 right now she needs 10-0-0

[qdavid]

9 days? Mine are 1/2 that. Good for you. I misted a couple times. Thought I burned 'em. But I guess not. I think it's a Ph problem. My well water's way too acid. Tested on meter 5.7. I'll just be putting sulfur in the water from now on I guess. Anyway, looking good so far.

Damn, I got that back-asswards........again Dolomite lime to raise, sulphur to lower. I'll get that shit right....eventually.

[soccergal]

Allright guys, I picked up some Alaska fish emulsion and superthrive until my Earthjuice products arrive. And I'm transplanting today. So wish me luck!

[stoned raiders]

i checked out the pictures, ur plants look ok. i am kinda suffering the same agony and tention as you. some of my plants definatly look a little droopy. i think its because were overwatering, or in my case couldbe because of the extreme heats my HPS puts out. But i compared mine to urs, theyre about the same timeline, and yes off course the whole nutes thing, i wanted to wait three weeks too, but F it they needs boost and they needs it now. good luck with ur transplanting, i am styll gonna wait another week. good luck keep us posted soccer.

[soccergal]

So I believe that problem was averted. My plants have been transplanted and I have added some nutes. That said...this won't be the only transplant. Unfortunatley I've been working so much (training for a new position) that I haven't had the chance to get everything I want. At least my next pay check will be plenty good enough to do so.

I must say, my plants were rootbound, and I think that was a big part of the problem as well, they also had most likely used all of the nutrients in the soil. Therefore, I simply had to put them in bigger containers once again with Scotts soil, perlite. Not ideal...but better than letting them die until I get a day off. Worms Way is an hour away...so I need a day off to go. On here you'll see new pics which are OBVIOUSLY better.

Oh...also...one of them has started to grow leafs where the two dead leafs are. Should I take off those dead leafs?

Here is my shopping list for Worms Way:

1 - Alaska Fish Fertilizer
1 - Down to Earth Bloodmeal
1 - Down to Earth Steamed Bone Meal
1 - Whitney Farms Dolomite Lime
1 - Perlite
1 - Vermiculite
1 - Sand, Horticulture Grade
1 - Fox Farm Ocean Forest Organic Potting Soil
1 - Rapitest pH Test Kit, Soil
Worm castings?
1 - Earth Juice Meta-K
1 - Earth Juice Grow
1 - Earth Juice Bloom
1 - Earth Juice MicroBlast
Grow bags or pots

[soccergal]

I forgot to attach the pics with that last post, so here they are! The first two are the Skywalker...next two the C99, and the last...a hornet that attacked me while taking these pics!!!!

Also...you can't see it anymore, but the dead leafs...should I pick them off?

[soccergal]

ummm BUMP! Don't leave me hangin fellas!

[BigBudDaddy08]

''soccergal''Lookn good im pretty sure mine and your plants are around the same age maybe a couple days apart ,But never the less cool to compare mine to your's

[soccergal]

BigBud it definitly looks like your plants are a bit larger than mine. I think mine are a little more compact though, which is what I'm going for. That said...I started LST today. So far so good! I waited until now because I wanted to make VERY sure that they had established a strong root system. I've actually just put ties on the C99 so far as the skywalker does not seem to need it yet.

How much do you expect to yeild per plant? I'm not sure really what my goal should be. I'm just enjoying the experience. Haven't killed them yet!

I'll put up pics of my LST attempt in the A.M. See what she looks like then.

I'm glad you posted! Now I have something to meassure my progress against.

[BigBudDaddy08]

Yes your's are way more compact than mine. But like twice a week i set my plants down far from the light to let the secondary growth stretch because i can tie the secondary growth down to let more under growth come out .

Im expecting close to 5 ounce's off from each plant because im also puting in a 150hps

Also some advice on LST anything that is blocking new growth tie it down such as fan leave's or even new under growth .

[soccergal]

Ok, so I started the LSTing. The C99 has been LSTed for the past 4 days. It seems I have to retie quite frequently with it.

Today I put the first two ties on the skywalker, but I'm somewhat unsure of where to go from here. Any advice you guys may have I'd really appreciate.

I have read much about LSTing...and yet putting theory into practice is proving to be a little bit more complicated. I don't want to over LST, and yet...I'm not sure which parts of the plant should be tied down. Help!

Here are some pics!

Oh and they'll be transplanted to their permanent homes this coming weekend. FINALLY!!!! I think they'll really like the new grow bags. They've grown a tremendous amount since placed in these new "pots." I guess they really were getting root bound before.

Pic 1: My anchor tie. As you can see this is also by the very first set of leaves, which died. Also...whats going on in the middle there? I see new growth, but also those little hair like things??

Pic 2: This is the first day of LST for the C99, which was about 3-4 days ago

Pic 3: C99 today...seems to be responding ok to the LST

Pic 4: Skywalker day 1, not sure what else on it to tie down...?

Pic 5: Top view of Skywalker

[soccergal]

bump

[soccergal]

Just a little update. Everything is going very well. I've continued to LST and I went ahead and topped one of them.

I think I'm going to top one and let the other one be, but LST both. This way I can see the benefits to both.

They both have very distinct odors. One smells kind of citrusy while the other smells skunky.

I'll update with some pics most likely on Wednesday.

I didn't get too much input on my last couple posts, so I'm starting to feel a little neglected by the community, where oh where is the love? :confused:

[invision]

you really shouldnt have topped while in the middle of LST way too much stress better keep an eye on her closely the LST to me is a better training method

[soccergal]

Yes, I had a lot of different advice on that issue, which is why I topped one only. I did it early in veg to give her plenty of time to recover. Hopefully it doesn't bite me in the ass!

[dooner]

when should i tie it down still dont understand fully but im still lookin on how to, also how far away should my light be to make it stop streching to make it look like this?

[CJBHM52]

wow. those plants look really good. im pretty jealous. im usin a lot of the same stuff as you but yours look way better. what temps and humidity are you keepin yours at? keep it up dude.

[soccergal]

CJBHM52 I'll be honest with you, I really don't know my temps, or my humidity. I do keep a bowl of water in my growbox to add humidity. And I just make sure that the bulbs aren't too close to the plants and that the fan is going.

I haven't posted pics in awhile as after I topped it took awhile to see a big different...however now it is significantly visible that the undergrowth has continued...and I'm happy to say I now have two tops!!! YAY! I'm posting pics on Wednesday...for real this time.

[soccergal]

Well it's been awhile since I updated. I haven't posted pictures in quite some time. I went through a really rough patch with these plants...they were dying and drooping.

I'm happy to say the revival has begun!!!

The Skywalker is looking excellent, and though the C99 is still droopy...it's also doing a lot better.

I'm not sure why she's droopy...as I am doing the exact same things with both plant, but we'll see what happens.

The Sky showed sex today. This is good I think as they're still in Veg. So at least one out of two is female. HOORAY!

Here are some pics.


Pic 1: My Sky showing her stuff. That's female correct?

Pic 2 and 3: Pics of the Skywalker

Pic 4 and 5: Droopy C99

[soccergal]

bump...

I'm getting discouraged by the lack of response on here.

[OregonsDank]

CJBHM52 I'll be honest with you, I really don't know my temps, or my humidity. I do keep a bowl of water in my growbox to add humidity. And I just make sure that the bulbs aren't too close to the plants and that the fan is going.

I haven't posted pics in awhile as after I topped it took awhile to see a big different...however now it is significantly visible that the undergrowth has continued...and I'm happy to say I now have two tops!!! YAY! I'm posting pics on Wednesday...for real this time.

You try to add humidity to your plants? I think you should be doing the opposite.

[OregonsDank]

How far down does that plastic lookin bag lining stuff go?

How often do you let your plants get dam near bone dry?

Get a cheap min / max / humidty temp meter 15$ maybe.


Dont stress the ferts, dont give them to much attention, let them dry out every time before you water, keep your room around 74 degrees and 40% humidity just ball park #s!

[OregonsDank]

A link to the my first grow, started it 9/20/2006

http://boards.cannabis.com/showthread.php?t=87006

[jamstigator]

Congratulations! Yep, she's a girl. Unlike humans though, if you don't treat her right she'll grow balls on you. Just think if humans worked like that. We'd have to treat all women like goddesses! ;)

I keep bowls of water around too. Gets too dry indoors if I don't. Hell, still gets too dry when I do; almost bought a humidifier yesterday, but I resisted the urge and dragged myself out of WalMart before I spent every dime I had on me. "Stan... Stan... go on without me, Stan...."

Not sure what the droopiness prob is; it could be so many things. The soil looks good though, so I'd suspect overwatering, but since that's so obvious, then you've probably made sure that's not it. I had a plant get all droopy like those recently, but that was because I kept it in a small pot for a very long time and it was rootbound (purposely so). Your pots look big enough, so that's likely not it either. Soooo...I dunno. Wish I could be more helpful! :(

[soccergal]

I had a plant get all droopy like those recently, but that was because I kept it in a small pot for a very long time and it was rootbound (purposely so). Your pots look big enough, so that's likely not it either. Soooo...I dunno. Wish I could be more helpful! :(


You know...I bet that's exactly what it was. I had them in small pots before I transplanted them. I know they were getting rootbound...but that one was definitly worse off at the time. You know how it looks when you take a flower out of that 6pack tray? Well the root system on that one basically resembled that. HAHA.

And it's made remarkable recovery since I transplanted. In fact just since yesterday when I took those pics it looks better. I know the problem isn't watering...I make sure to let my plants dry out before re-watering. And I don't go by a certain amount of days, but by feel and weight of the soil. So you're probably right on that one. It hadn't occured to me.

Hopefully they don't go hermie!!! Everything seems to be stable so far.

Oregonsdank

How far down does that plastic lookin bag lining stuff go?
Well it goes all the way down to the bottom. I did that because the drainage holes were so big that I didn't want my dirt to come out...so that is essentially a plastic bag with TONS of small holes in it, which still allows the water to drain...but helps keep in my dirt.


How often do you let your plants get dam near bone dry?

Every time I water...I basically let them dry out before re-watering. I let them tell me when they need water if that makes any sense. I am using Earth Juice products as my nutes. They seem to love it.


I'll check out your grow oregon.

[jamstigator]

Ah! I didn't know you'd recently transplanted. Well, that's probably what it was then, especially if they're now recovering. Might've had a bit of transplant shock too. But as long as they're recovering now, should be smooth sailin' from here on out! Woot! ;)

[PoolShark1321]

I recently found out about www.thegrowreport.com the 6 grow reports you can download have answered many of my questions in great detail. Thanks a ton Zandor!

[yabatab]

hows the grow going soccergal? update pics?

[SiXFeEtDeEp]

CJBHM52 I'll be honest with you, I really don't know my temps, or my humidity. I do keep a bowl of water in my growbox to add humidity. And I just make sure that the bulbs aren't too close to the plants and that the fan is going.

I haven't posted pics in awhile as after I topped it took awhile to see a big different...however now it is significantly visible that the undergrowth has continued...and I'm happy to say I now have two tops!!! YAY! I'm posting pics on Wednesday...for real this time.


first off ill start with LSTING i perfer going to use paperclips

Top the rest of your babies then you take the main stem and bend it parallel with the medium then tie a lose hope around the top of the main stem and tie it so it stayes parallel. just like you are doing excpet right now you only need one tie and you need to bend those stems over. this will expose the side branches to the light and they will start growing to the light. later you will tie these down to and thats when you have multipule ties. after the second tie down i would add a scorg net but that a lil ways from now.

now when you do finally decide to induce flowering, all the training will pay off. What would have been your tiny and airy bottom buds. Will now turn into nice, photogenic colas.

now for the main thing in the quote that scared me.

"I just make sure that the bulbs aren't too close to the plants"

NOOOO. lol keep the lights a MINIMUM 2 inches away. CFLS need to be as close as possable in order to get the most out of the lights. the penatration of a cfl is not very far so the closer the better. you won't burn them belive me. also this will prevent over streching of the stem.

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