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Gumby

08-13-2006, 04:32 PM

and for for people like Psycho and Bong who can't read... it's in a nice movie for you...

Next time you ban me... come up with a better reason too...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9fbP1lvmBY8

Bong30

08-13-2006, 04:40 PM

Hey Dumby stick it in your ass....

Gumby

08-13-2006, 04:55 PM

Bong30

08-13-2006, 04:56 PM

NO it I told you to stick it in your ass, here first then the other thread....

Man you are Dumb.....

Bong30

08-13-2006, 04:57 PM

Start with an attack and gett attacked you fuck stain.............

Gumby

08-13-2006, 05:01 PM

ok good... I'm a worthless piece of shit... an idiot... a moron... ignorant... what ever the fuck you want to call me... I'M IT!!!

now lets get over that and please debate the material at hand... not the personal attacks because you're right 100% on that, I'm not even debating it... now lets just prove them all true by using our brains and talking about things like rational people..

Then you can prove I'm wrong too.. with out telling me to fuck off...

talk about the 10 reasons... can we do at least that?

WalkaWalka

08-13-2006, 05:02 PM

Godamn your a stupid asshole aren't you Bong why does any one even waste their time talking to you. You never post any interesting things. Everything that comes out of you is in fact shit. I don't know about the other people on this forum but I myself feel a need to beat the shit out of you. I don't think it would help but it would make me feel better.

Bong30

08-13-2006, 05:11 PM

Krogith

08-13-2006, 05:15 PM

Bongs a Jarhead hes a goverment bozo here to spit prapaganda. His personal attacks are rediculas

Bong30

08-13-2006, 05:19 PM

Bongs a Jarhead hes a goverment bozo here to spit prapaganda. His personal attacks are rediculas

My personal attacks..............

Just cause I think were are in a Jihad

Hey GS Mohammad was a false prophet......................

Krogith

08-13-2006, 05:24 PM

every plain crash has bodys (o yeah jet fule vaporized them ROFL for the 1st time!)

Gumby

08-13-2006, 05:38 PM

My personal attacks..............

Just cause I think were are in a Jihad

Hey GS Mohammad was a false prophet......................

I guess I need to explain Jihad to you as well...

Jihad, the exertion of efforts for the cause of God, is a duty satisfied at the communal and the individual level. At the individual level, it denotes the personal struggle to be righteous and follow the path ordained by God. Communally, it involves both encouraging what is good and correcting what is not and waging war against enemies of Islam.

They do not go out and try to kill everyone who isn't Islamic, that's a Christain practice... Muslims use Jihad to defend their faith not promote it. Are there a few who use Islam to attack the West, YES... but they aren't the president killing tens of thousands of innocent civilians. That's what christians do.

Oh yeah... Christians also took part in a little thing called the Crusades and the conquest of south america Not to mention the killing of 90% of everything that was native to this country... but I guess it's ok to be a part of a rightous group who only wages war to pass on thier flawed doctrain than it is to follow a religion that only promoted violence when attacked or threated...

The main purpose of Jihad as well as the main purpose of what Christianity once was, is Knowledge... Jihad is the mass gain of knowledge and coming to peace with the self and the world... not killing people..

So spread your hate someone else.. I would like to live in a world full of love..
with both christians a muslims...

Krogith

08-13-2006, 05:45 PM

the 2 isreal guys who were kidnaped were in leb. does everyone keep forgetting that? If Bong knew of a terrorists group in usa would he not report them and get em? same thing Isreal was occupying all of leb and just left as of 2002 and was/is still is south leb there attacking.

Bong30

08-13-2006, 05:47 PM

Gumby i would like to live in Peace with Muslims, Jews and Christians, what ever... i might even put up with a scientologist.....ok not them.

What you dont Believe... Is that a certian Percentage of Islam want us dead, For not being muslim. We want to kill them cause they keep attacking us.

You dont believe they do.....Were can we go from there?

I do, Believe when they say Jihad... It means Convert or Die........(ill post links from the Koran if you like)

Bong30

08-13-2006, 05:48 PM

lol your posts amuse me

you remind me of my father who is always shouting his mouth off like a right winged bitch and is to niaeve to realise how stupid he sounds .

Thanks............Your father sounds like a great guy.... does he snowboard skate and smoke like me.............. Fuck off

Gumby

08-13-2006, 05:52 PM

what you don't realize is you're the same damn thing... and you just think you are as rightous as they do... and you both are wrong but don't have a big enough dick to say so.

you too ignorant to learn about Islam to see that it's the same religion and you're reading the same Book and talking to the same Allah...

Scientology is a cult... not a religion... it took over Clearwater Florida and is well documented... but like Christianity and Islam if IGNORANT fucks keep thinking they are right and the other is wrong they will have thier stupid followers spewing out hatred and war. Something I notice you doing a lot on here...

WAKE THE FUCK UP... you're more of a terrorist than any Muslim... you're just too ignorant to see it.

Krogith

08-13-2006, 05:54 PM

We are pointing out that 9/11 might be less of your jihad and more of a bigger picture. That alot of these terrorests are being created now. All your hate will just make more.

Its a Plant

08-13-2006, 05:58 PM

WalkaWalka

08-13-2006, 05:58 PM

Bong I don't say mean things to you just becuase I hate Bush and you don't. I say mean things to you becuase you are an asshole.

And yes i could beat your ass and thats an ass beating I would savor Its just I don't fight fair. Don't doubt me I piss alot of dads and step dads. I'd say about 70% of them want to slit my throat.

Also I'm pretty sure its hate on bong day if people are still saying mean shit to you tommow cosider it a litmus test of your asshole ability underscoring your capabilities and deusch.

Gumby

08-13-2006, 06:04 PM

Anyone that denies the fact that a percentage of Muslims want us dead for not being Muslim is ignorant themselves. You can't just toss those extremists aside when talking about the religion, and more so, when you talk of it like it's a peaceful religion. It's not.

You cannot throw away the rightous thinking of the Christian party either... I think that's all I was stating. There are no doubt people who use Islam to promote hate and war... But we have one of them too.. His name is Bush

Thinks he was 'appointed' by God

Has waged a war on Islam

Yet preaching to america that he is of good faith and a God loving man... loving the same God that Muslims to and preaching from the same Gospels Muslims do... Although the Koran has been historically verified yet the Bible isn't even 20% of the known gospels...

If Islam can't be used to promote peace and love... than there is no religion that should be allowed to, and mostly chirsianity

Bong30

08-13-2006, 10:50 PM

Bong I don't say mean things to you just becuase I hate Bush and you don't. I say mean things to you becuase you are an asshole. I am an asshole thanks

And yes i could beat your ass and thats an ass beating I would savor Its just I don't fight fair. Don't doubt me I piss alot of dads and step dads. I'd say about 70% of them want to slit my throat.

Also I'm pretty sure its hate on bong day if people are still saying mean shit to you tommow cosider it a litmus test of your asshole ability underscoring your capabilities and deusch.

Hey fuck Face... you dont bring a knife to gun fight. Can you say Sniper?

If you think 70% of dads and Step dads want to kick your ass.....

you must be a real piece of shit.......... some one should erase you.

I have been fighting with these Punks since DAY 1 get in line PUSSY.

Bong30

08-13-2006, 10:54 PM

WAKE THE FUCK UP... you're more of a terrorist than any Muslim... you're just too ignorant to see it.

Wake the fuck up Dumby they want you Dead...

I could Post links for hours........

i have posted links for hours...........

Seattle Jews recovering from attack
By HILARY LEILA KRIEGER

The Seattle Jewish community is in shock after a shooting spree at the Jewish Federation of Greater Seattle left one dead and five wounded on Friday.

A man declared, "I'm a Muslim American; I'm angry at Israel," before opening fire, according to witnesses. He was soon apprehended by police and later identified as 30-year-old Naveed Afzal Haq, a US citizen of Pakistani origin.

Seattle police said they had directed their officers to closely monitor the city's synagogues and other Jewish institutions following the attack, but that they believed Haq had acted alone.

Its called Jihad Fuck Face...<<<<<<new sig

slowthestone

08-13-2006, 11:37 PM

10. No gOD fearing Muslim would leave the bliss that is Islam to come to a poop stain like NYC.

9. America is too greedy for crude oil. Why bite the hand that pays?

8. Even our fugly women are more attractive than any Muslim gal sporting a pillow case on her head.

7. Why blow people up when conversion by coercion is so much more cost effective?

6. Who says they were terrorists? I saw their eyes before they crashed...those were some happy-go-lucky mofos I tell you what.

5. Pilgrimages to Mecca are kinda hard to do when you've blown yourself up.

4. Muslims are our friend! Those signs they have here and there and everywhere that read 'KILL AMERICA' are common mistranslations. They mean to say 'HAIL AMERICA'.

3. Muslims are too busy stoning their neighbors to be bothered with attacking America.

2. Need a bad guy scapegoat? Throw a dart at an atlas...2/3 are our enemy!

And the number one reason why the terrorists were fake....~insert drum roll~....

1. They get around on camels ya dummies...not airplanes!!

Bong30

08-14-2006, 01:30 AM

I searched your little story on the web, Bong, the only site that has that story is the JERUSALEM POST. Pretty open to some serious bias, isn't it?

Jake STFU.... lIsten A muslim went into a Jewish Center and shot pregnant women...............YOU ARE TO DUMB....

Is reuters OK assface...........

By Daisuke Wakabayashi

SEATTLE (Reuters) - A lone gunman burst into a Jewish organization in downtown Seattle on Friday, killing one woman and wounding five others in what authorities were calling a hate crime.

Police said the gunman had been arrested without a struggle inside the Jewish Federation of Greater Seattle, where the shooting took place, and was being questioned by police.

The gunman is a U.S. citizen, and police said initial contacts with him by phone while he was inside the building indicated that he was a Muslim.

Amy Wasser-Simpson, the federation's vice president, told the Seattle Times in a story on its Web site that the man got past security at the building and shouted, "I'm a Muslim American; I'm angry at Israel," before he began shooting.
^^^^^^^^^^ Cant you read you dumb asshole^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

"This was a purposeful, hateful act as far as we know, by an individual acting alone," said Seattle Mayor Greg Nickels at a news conference, adding "This is a crime of hate."

The FBI was working with local authorities on the case.

Police first responded to reports of shots fired and a possible hostage situation at the center shortly after 4 p.m., when there were about 18 people in the offices.

Jake quit Taking shots at me and Ill quit handing you your ass.......... MMMMMk

Bong30

08-14-2006, 01:38 AM

1. They get around on camels ya dummies...not airplanes!!

Till they get training...............bada bum pa......(high hat)

VVVVVVVVVVThis is not a camel....wake up.VVVVVVVVVVVVVVV

eg420ne

08-14-2006, 01:42 AM

Jake STFU.... lIsten A muslim went into a Jewish Center and shot pregnant women...............YOU ARE TO DUMB....

Is reuters OK assface...........

By Daisuke Wakabayashi

SEATTLE (Reuters) - A lone gunman burst into a Jewish organization in downtown Seattle on Friday, killing one woman and wounding five others in what authorities were calling a hate crime.

Police said the gunman had been arrested without a struggle inside the Jewish Federation of Greater Seattle, where the shooting took place, and was being questioned by police.

The gunman is a U.S. citizen, and police said initial contacts with him by phone while he was inside the building indicated that he was a Muslim.

Amy Wasser-Simpson, the federation's vice president, told the Seattle Times in a story on its Web site that the man got past security at the building and shouted, "I'm a Muslim American; I'm angry at Israel," before he began shooting.
^^^^^^^^^^ Cant you read you dumb asshole^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

"This was a purposeful, hateful act as far as we know, by an individual acting alone," said Seattle Mayor Greg Nickels at a news conference, adding "This is a crime of hate."

The FBI was working with local authorities on the case.

Police first responded to reports of shots fired and a possible hostage situation at the center shortly after 4 p.m., when there were about 18 people in the offices.

Jake quit Taking shots at me and Ill quit handing you your ass.......... MMMMMkSorry Bong but this dude was a christian........RICHLAND -- Those who knew Naveed Haq said Saturday that to them he was an enigma, a puzzle that they wish they could have solved before his deadly rampage in a Seattle Jewish center.

Stunned and saddened by the news, some of Haq's acquaintances recounted many of what they saw as the contradictions of his life.

He held a degree in electrical engineering and was the son of a successful engineer, yet he couldn't keep a regular job. He was smart, creative and skilled as a writer. He recently won an essay contest for a U.S. Institute of Peace scholarship.

Yet Haq was frustrated at his lack of friends and female companionship.He told friends he felt alienated from his own family, in part because his career had disappointed his father and also because he had disavowed Islam last year, converting to Christianity.

Haq had begun studying the Bible, attending weekly men's spiritual group meetings, only to stop coming a few months after his baptism.

He had told the group's leader that he seen too much anger in Islam and that he wanted to find a new beginning in Christianity.

Yet in the midst of his shooting spree in Seattle Friday, he declared himself an angry Muslim.

Acquaintances said he never seemed the fanatic religious extremist he played out on Friday. Instead some think his anger was really directed at problems in his personal and professional life.

"Naveed had the profile of the guy who just couldn't get things together," said Erik Neilsen, a Richland resident who let Haq live with him for three months in 2004. He said he thinks several problems compounded for Haq, and he just exploded.

"I wish I could have done something about it. I look back in retrospect and say 'Is there anything I could have done.'"

Last winter, Haq began attending a weekly men's group meeting led by a member of the Word of Faith Church in Kennewick.

The group's leader, Albert Montelongo, said Haq started studying the Bible and in December he underwent a water baptism at the non-denominational church, performed by Montelongo. He said Haq accepted his new faith, though he knew that he would also be offending his own family and its deeply rooted culture. His father, Mian Haq, was among the founders of the Islamic Center of the Tri-Cities in Richland.

Montelongo said Haq seemed depressed by the tension that had grown between him and his family. And he said Haq talked about suffering from bipolar disorder. But that he seemed to improve in how he coped with what Montelongo described as his own anger.

A few months after he was baptized, though, Haq stopped coming to the men's group meetings. Montelongo last heard from Haq in a message that said he was going to Seattle to find a job. He said he tried to call Haq several times but never reached him.

Then on Friday, Montelongo said he saw the news in Seattle and thought the man in police custody looked like Haq.

"I don't understand that. That throws me off from everything he was doing here," Montelongo said. "That blew me away."

"We'll be praying for him and everybody that was hurt in what happened, and everybody that's involved in it," Montelongo said.

At the Islamic Center of Tri-Cities, a senior member, Muhammad Kaleem Ullah, said that Haq stopped attending regularly after he graduated from Richland High School in 1994. He said Haq would attend off and on while visiting his parents and that he surprised members on a Friday two weeks ago with a visit.

"This is a totally sad day for us. This is the closest I've ever come to something like this," said Ullah. "What could have been going on in his brain has been very hard to figure out."

After high school, Haq enrolled in dentistry school at the Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute in Troy, N.Y., something his father encouraged. But after about four years of study, Haq decided to quit school and return home. That also created some tension between father and son, Ullah said.

Instead Haq went to Washington State University, where he earned a degree in electrical engineering.

Efforts to reach his family were unsuccessful.

In March, Haq was arrested for lewd conduct at a Tri-Cities mall. It was Ullah he called to bail him out of jail, because he was too embarrassed to call his own family, Ullah said.

The family was very distraught at Friday's events, Ullah said, based on a conversation he had with Haq's father after his son's arrest.

Haq apparently moved back and forth between Tri-Cities and Seattle while he was looking for employment. At one point, he told Neilsen, the friend with whom he lived for a few months in 2004, that he was working as a security guard at a Seattle area department store. Neilsen said he'd lost touch with Haq until about six weeks ago when he got an e-mail from Haq, saying his friend had started work at a Home Depot store in Everett.

He said it seemed odd that someone with a degree in engineering had taken an unskilled job. It seemed to him that Haq had trouble keeping steady employment and that he often lacked focus in his career.

Neilsen said he thinks Haq's issues with family, his religion and even his social life just compounded. He said he believed his friend wanted desperately to fit into mainstream U.S. society. But he felt like an outcast in his own family.

Neilsen, a fellow engineer, said he was deeply saddened at Friday's news.

"I've had conversations with him; he'd come over and we'd have a cigar in my back yard and have a nice talk. And all of a sudden, it's like 'What happened? What happened to you?'."

halo

08-14-2006, 01:44 AM

Start with an attack and gett attacked you fuck stain.............

Thats it. You know what you really do deserve to be banned. For a long time i thought you were just a normal guy with different opinions, but no. You just like to attack people and make them feel like shit.

If calling someone a "fuck stain" isn't a personal attack i dont know what is.

slowthestone

08-14-2006, 01:45 AM

Why are those s'posed terrorists driving around in a Ford truck?

Bong30

08-14-2006, 01:51 AM

ITs BUllshit EG>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/14082298/

• Seattle shooting a ‘crime of hate’
July 29: The suspect arrested for a Jewish center shooting was a Muslim American who said he hated Israel, according to witnesses. KING-TV’s Gary Chittim reports.
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• Woman Killed in Seattle Shooting Identified

Updated: 9:15 p.m. MT July 29, 2006
SEATTLE - The man suspected in a fatal shooting rampage hid behind a potted plant in a Jewish charity’s foyer and forced his way through a security door by holding a gun to a 13-year-old girl’s head, the police chief said Saturday.

Once inside, police say, Naveed Afzal Haq opened fire with two semiautomatic pistols. One woman, Pam Waechter, 58, of Seattle was killed at the scene. Five more women were wounded.

Haq, 30, was ordered held on $50 million bail Saturday pending formal charges of murder and attempted murder.

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Haq, a Muslim, told authorities he was angered by the war in Iraq and U.S. military cooperation with Israel.

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^WAKE UP EG^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
“He pointedly blamed the Jewish people for all of these problems,” Seattle Police Chief Gil Kerlikowske said at a news conference Saturday.

Tired of being ‘pushed around’
According to a statement of probable cause, Haq told a 911 dispatcher: “These are Jews and I’m tired of getting pushed around and our people getting pushed around by the situation in the Middle East.”

Muhammad Ullah, a close family friend and a senior member of a mosque founded in part by Haq’s father, described Haq as a quiet loner with few friends.

In a statement, the Islamic Center of the Tri-Cities offered condolences to the shooting victims and said “we disassociate this act from our Islamic teachings and beliefs.”

Seattle police said Haq picked up the two handguns and spare ammunition just days earlier, and appeared to have targeted the federation after a cursory Internet search for Jewish organizations.

He also was stopped shortly before the shootings in Seattle for a minor traffic infraction, and was cited and released, Kerlikowske said. Haq had a valid driver’s license and his actions did not raise any suspicion, the chief said.

Pregnant victim called a hero
One of the women wounded in Friday’s shooting — hit in the arm as she shielded her pregnant belly — helped bring the crisis to an end by crawling into her office, calling 911, and convincing her assailant to talk to dispatchers, Kerlikowske said.

“She’s a hero in my eyes,” he said at a news conference.

That woman, Dayna Klein, 37, was hospitalized at Harborview Medical Center along with the four others wounded.

Jewish Federation officials identified the other wounded women as Cheryl Stumbo, 43; Layla Bush, 23; and Carol Goldman, 35, all of Seattle; and Christina Rexroad, whose age and hometown could not immediately be confirmed.

The 13-year-old girl taken hostage at the beginning of the melee was not shot, police said.

Call to 911 released
When Haq got on the phone with 911 operators, he identified himself by name and said, “This is a hostage situation and I wanted these Jews to get out,” according to a statement of probable cause.

At one point, he told the dispatcher he wanted police to call the media and that he had a gun pointed at a woman’s head. He said he was acting alone and had not been drinking, court documents said.

The three most seriously wounded women, who had been shot in the abdomen, were upgraded from critical to serious condition Saturday, hospital spokeswoman Susan Gregg-Hanson said. The other two were in satisfactory condition Friday. A nursing supervisor refused to say Saturday evening whether they had been released from the hospital.

Prosecutors have until Aug. 2 to formally charge Haq, spokesman Dan Donohoe said. They are not yet seeking capital charges, but that could change, he said.

Authorities searched Haq’s parents’ home and his apartment — both in the Tri-Cities area of southeastern Washington — and removed evidence, including computers and Haq’s car, Kerlikowske said.

Police and the FBI are labeling the shootings a hate crime.

Haq entered the King County courtroom on Saturday wearing handcuffs, chains and leg shackles, and a white jail jumpsuit that labeled him.”

An ‘ultra security inmate’
Before entering, Haq requested through a public defender that he be allowed to not personally attend the hearing, or for him to not be photographed or videotaped. District Judge Barbara L. Linde denied both requests.

Haq briefly glanced at rows of news media in the gallery on his way into the courtroom but otherwise showed no outward emotion.

Waechter, an assistant director at the federation, was described by colleagues as a tireless worker for the Jewish community.

“She was a person everybody loved, everybody enjoyed being with,” said Rabbi Jim Mirel of Temple B’nai Torah, where Waechter was a past president.

WAKE UP EG^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

Bong30

08-14-2006, 01:58 AM

Why are those s'posed terrorists driving around in a Ford truck?

Yes in souther Iraq...........They are called a GUN TRUCK.

dank ass nugs

08-14-2006, 02:09 AM

That fucker should be shot for those remarks. Why didn't the passangers over throw the plane? Maybe because they were scared for their lifes beyond what anyone can believe. He's saying lie after lie and it insults the families and everyone who was involved. If it was a government thing they wouldn't have gotten anything wrong in the language or in recordings or even evidence. The government would have also made sure that all the evidence was locked so that no one could see it to figure these things out. That guys is just another crack-pot looking to get attention for a horrible conspiracy.

dank ass nugs

08-14-2006, 02:28 AM

Hamlet

08-14-2006, 02:28 AM

On a side note off the conspiracy bullshit subject, I'm speculating world events will pretty much signal the 'near' end of highjacking. Once upon a time highjacking was 'take me to Cuba!" and everyone cooperated hoping they might live through it.

Nowdays, I know if I were on a plane with a highjacker, the fight is ON! It would be me or him and I would be trying to whup his ass with a bag of peanuts in one hand and a barf bag in the other! ...because failure means certain death anyway.

Anyway, I believe there would be no more 'missions' unless the mission was no more complex than destroying the people on the plane, because everyone on board would know it was either fight or die.

Just one of my rambling theories for what it's worth.........

eg420ne

08-14-2006, 03:10 AM

Did sum1 get a new screen name?------

Great Spirit

08-14-2006, 03:43 AM

wow creative... you couldn't even think of something different to write under this one?? You had to use the same put down.... that's kinda sad..

What's the matter Bong, your chops aren't as good as they once were... running out of wise ass things to say?? Or just giving up the fight cause you know you lost but can't admit it to yourself... it's ok... here is a good article by Morgan Reynolds (try to trash his p.o.v.) about why you can't give up...

http://nomoregames.net/index.php?page=911&subpage1=closed_minds_on_911Lol. Yea Gumby, Bong couldn't even debate me in the thread on how he claims Muhammed was a false prophet and how Islam is a sham, but how he thinks Jesus is special. He's absolutely convinced that anyone who owns a Qur'an or worships Allah is a potential terrorist and deserves to be monitored.

Advice for Bong....how about getting his head out of his ass and believing that the real terrorists are in the White House!

Oh and yea Bong:

AMERIKA SUCKS!!!!

slowthestone

08-14-2006, 03:45 AM

Why are those s'posed terrorists driving around in a Ford truck?

And then I was like...'wtf are insurgents doing with new tires and a stretcher on board?'

So I began looking around for the thing...

http://www.boingboing.net/2006/06/01/amazing_mad_max_vehi.html

eg420ne

08-14-2006, 05:38 AM

Nice find slowthestone:thumbsup:

Gumby

08-14-2006, 08:27 AM

The more you people say the stupidier you seem with your OMG Bush did it Bush did everything. Face it your just pissed off that the American public disagrees with you. You wanna be "cool" and "different" but you don't do it like a sane person who can see the truth get off your high horse you rich little bastards Bush did not make your life a living hell. Bush has never done anything to you. All you see is the word REPUBLICAN and you hate it. Face it some republican things make sense and some democrat things make sense. Your being blinded you have no personnal opinion you just join the opinion that is most popular where you are. THEY bombed us we did not bomb our selfs why would we do that? Think, it doesn't make sense what did we do it because we hated that famous NYC skyline or so we could lose millions of dollarsYou need to go back and see how much money was really lost... it's more like how many billions they made off it. Your 10 reasons are bullshit a flimsy hell common sense out smarts them. Then could you please explain the ten reasons to me and why they aren't valid?? can you show me some of that 'flimsy hell common sense? you and bong can both 'see the truth' but can never seem to explain it to everyone else... Bong you Can see the truth it makes me happy to see not all pot smokers are fucking retarded.

try just one first though... how do you fly into a building and live?? or better yet how do 7 of them live after they fly a plane into a building??

can you start with just one? I'd love all ten, but i'll take it slow for you... good luck

psychocat

08-14-2006, 01:08 PM

The radical Christians have been killing in the name of God for centuries.
Let's wipe out all the radical Christians too ???

This just convinces me that God fearing folk are just fucking ridiculous in their attitudes towards each other.

I don't care if you are one or the other but radicals of any kind can be dangerous.

Marlboroman

08-14-2006, 03:26 PM

thcbongman

08-14-2006, 03:30 PM

Anyone that denies the fact that a percentage of Muslims want us dead for not being Muslim is ignorant themselves. You can't just toss those extremists aside when talking about the religion, and more so, when you talk of it like it's a peaceful religion. It's not.

The issue with Islam is the fact that Mohammad was illiterate.

All his visions and teachings were dependent on another to transcribe it. What do you get? Many scriptures that could've been written by some delusional violent jackass, and the teachings are either (a) accepted by extremists and milked (b) argued that Islam is nothing but a flithy and violent religion.

I believe the essence of every religion is meant to achieve peace. When humanity twists their teachings to their own benefit, you have chaos.

Its a Plant

08-14-2006, 03:46 PM

The issue with Islam is the fact that Mohammad was illiterate.

All his visions and teachings were dependent on another to transcribe it. What do you get? Many scriptures that could've been written by some delusional violent jackass, and the teachings are either (a) accepted by extremists and milked (b) argued that Islam is nothing but a flithy and violent religion.

I believe the essence of every religion is meant to achieve peace. When humanity twists their teachings to their own benefit, you have chaos.
I completely agree with that last part, but the problem is that humanity has had their mitts on the teachings and written word from many religions for centuries now.

So, in my mind, that makes most religions today nothing more than a chaotic business hell-bent to either (a) make money, (b) carry out political agendas, or (c) brainwash the masses with a distorted version of that religion's "truth".

Don't get me wrong, I respect someone's decision to be religious, but at this point in my life, I haven't found one that's "for me" quite yet. I enjoy learning about other religions, but it seems the more I read, the more I'm turned off from the idea of a higher being. That's a whole other discussion though, lol.

Gumby

08-14-2006, 04:21 PM

AND THIS THREAD IS SO FAR OFF TOPIC IT DOESNT MATTER ANYMORE.

AS SOON AS BONG OPENED HIS MOUTH YOU ALL CHANGED THE SUBJECT AND WENT RIGHT ALONG FOLLOWING HIM DOWN THE SORRY ASS PATH OF BAD COMMUNICATION.

NOW INSTEAD OF TALKING ABOUT WHETHER THOSE REASONS AS STATED IN THE VIDEO ARE FALSE, OR TRUE, OR PROPAGANDA FROM EITHER SIDE, WE ARE AGAIN DEBATEING WHETHER RELIGION HAS ANYTHING TO DO WITH THE WAR.

YES IT DOES, BUT THATS NOT WHAT THIS THREAD WAS MADE FOR.

BONG IS VIGILANT WITH HIS PERSONAL ATTACKS, IF YOU WANT TO STAY ON TOPIC YOU HAVE TO BE JUST AS VIGILANT ABOUT IGNOREING HIM.

HONESTLY HE REMINDS ME OF AMSTERDAM WITH ALL THE ATTACKS AND BLIND FURY.

START THIS THREAD OVER CAUSE THIS IS SOMETHING WORTH DISCUSSING, AS LONG AS IT STAYS ON TOPIC AND DOESNT GET DERAILED BY PERSONAL ATTACKS USED TO DO THAT EXACT THING.

Peace.

10) No names on passanger manifest...

9) No autopsy

8) up to 7 have been located since 9/11 alive... <--- that's hard to do after you fly into a building...

7) FBI still has same list of hi-jackers

6) Flagg's knowledge of the names of the Hi jackers

5) could not fly... much less fly the way the planes supposedly had.

4) Cell phone calls... phones don't work in planes... but alas eveyone got to call mommy to tell them ROLL ON .... right??

3) Flight 93's recording on passengers from the cock pit recorder...

2) the finial words of the bombers...

1) Moussoui's whole case and trial... funny how everyone forgot about him already... and how he wasn't involved at all yet, was the only person who we've caught and tried...

Alright back on topic...

Marlboroman

08-14-2006, 04:31 PM

10) No names on passanger manifest...

9) No autopsy

8) up to 7 have been located since 9/11 alive... <--- that's hard to do after you fly into a building...

7) FBI still has same list of hi-jackers

6) Flagg's knowledge of the names of the Hi jackers

5) could not fly... much less fly the way the planes supposedly had.

4) Cell phone calls... phones don't work in planes... but alas eveyone got to call mommy to tell them ROLL ON .... right??

3) Flight 93's recording on passengers from the cock pit recorder...

2) the finial words of the bombers...

1) Moussoui's whole case and trial... funny how everyone forgot about him already... and how he wasn't involved at all yet, was the only person who we've caught and tried...

Alright back on topic...

All very good reason if ya ask me, but the real question is whether these are actual reasons.

There needs to be information produced for each point, I wouldnt know where to even begin to find it, im not an investigator.

In order to convince people it needs to be bullet proof, and even then some will just ignore it.

Peace.

Psycho4Bud

08-14-2006, 04:37 PM

Gumby

08-14-2006, 04:42 PM

This thread STARTED with an insult...why try to pin all this crap on him? I tend to agree with his first reply.

Have a good one!:thumbsup:

I think you took it all wrong... I was doing it as a favor for you because I know you don't like to read all the threads... I just think you misunderstand me... but thanks for changing the topic once again.

Well, does anyone want to talk about a specific number?? I like the fact that they found the passport of a hi-jacker, but haven't found a body. But we can go with any of them from 1 - 10...

Psycho4Bud

08-14-2006, 04:45 PM

thcbongman

08-14-2006, 05:00 PM

I think you took it all wrong... I was doing it as a favor for you because I know you don't like to read all the threads... I just think you misunderstand me... but thanks for changing the topic once again.

Well, does anyone want to talk about a specific number?? I like the fact that they found the passport of a hi-jacker, but haven't found a body. But we can go with any of them from 1 - 10...

Let's put it this way.

If any of these guys were right, had actually interviewed these hijackers that are alive, wouldn't it be a little necessary to take their pictures, perhaps even fingerprint them to provide their identities, and provide a nice side by side comparison?

I'm inclined to believe in hard evidence more than some white guy with ideas. Everyone has an idea. Not everyone has proof. I would think that these think-tank guys would be a little brighter than coming up with some empty rhetoric.

Frankly, I'm don't believe everything in the official 9/11 story. I think they were some suspicious circumstances involved. I simply don't believe in theories with lack of evidence to support it.

Gumby

08-14-2006, 05:13 PM

Let's put it this way.

If any of these guys were right, had actually interviewed these hijackers that are alive, wouldn't it be a little necessary to take their pictures, perhaps even fingerprint them to provide their identities, and provide a nice side by side comparison?

I'm inclined to believe in hard evidence more than some white guy with ideas. Everyone has an idea. Not everyone has proof. I would think that these think-tank guys would be a little brighter than coming up with some empty rhetoric.

Frankly, I'm don't believe everything in the official 9/11 story. I think they were some suspicious circumstances involved. I simply don't believe in theories with lack of evidence to support it.

It wasn't Alex Jones who interviewed them... It was the BBC... and it is well documented... you just have to google it to find the interviews. Just because people are spoon feeding you the information doesn't mean it isn't out there. I think you are mistaking lack of evidence with your lack of willingness to look for the evidence.

If you can't find enough proof that they are alive, where is the proof that they are dead? Why are you content with believing they died without evidence yet push aside the fact they are alive because you don't see a picture of them side by side with fingerprints??

Marlboroman

08-14-2006, 05:17 PM

This thread STARTED with an insult...why try to pin all this crap on him? I tend to agree with his first reply.

Have a good one!:thumbsup:

Rather than get off topic again, I'll simply say my opinion stands uncorrected.

Gumby

08-14-2006, 05:19 PM

I'll talk about a number........how bout 30? Keep it up.

You remind me of small children playing peek a boo... if you cover your eyes and block something out it goes away. Cute...

Psycho4Bud

08-14-2006, 05:23 PM

There, like a child I just played a lil' basket ball and dunked your ass. See ya in 30!

Have a good one!:thumbsup:

Marlboroman

08-14-2006, 05:32 PM

There, like a child I just played a lil' basket ball and dunked your ass. See ya in 30!

Have a good one!:thumbsup:

Exactly like a child, what happened to lacked rules?

What he did is less insulting than what spews from Bongs keyboard.

I think what he did was question your authority, and we cant have that now can we?

Peace.

Psycho4Bud

08-14-2006, 05:41 PM

Exactly like a child, what happened to lacked rules?

What he did is less insulting than what spews from Bongs keyboard.

I think what he did was question your authority, and we cant have that now can we?

Peace.

Hey, if you want to take on a no pay job and have someone blow smoke up your ass........your choice. I really don't need it. I gave the dude fair warning.

Have a good one!:thumbsup:

Psycho4Bud

08-14-2006, 05:42 PM

He chose option A

You chose option B.

Psycho, you need to stop doing this to people who question your authority.

It's not conducive to an evolving cannabis.com.

Jake, there's another forum for you to moderate.....PLEASE keep it there!

Have a good one!:thumbsup:

Marlboroman

08-14-2006, 05:48 PM

Hey, if you want to take on a no pay job and have someone blow smoke up your ass........your choice. I really don't need it. I gave the dude fair warning.

Have a good one!:thumbsup:

Sure, hand over the cockpit. I'll fly the plane for a while.

He hasnt blown anymore smoke than anyone else around here.

And no you didnt give him fair warning, you gave him an altimatum.

Stop questioning my authority or be banned.

It wasnt about insult at all.

Peace.

Psycho4Bud

08-14-2006, 05:55 PM

If you're going to be so pissy about what you have to do, give it to someone who likes moderating for the sake of keeping peace. Cannabis Campbell sure is a good candidate, and so am I. I'm sure there are a lot of other members who'd make a good mod and be happy about it instead of being so pissy about what they have to do.

Jake

Who's being pissy.......I was making a fair statement. Maybe when you get more than a few members you'll realize what I'm talking about here. Seriously Jake, you've been trying to pick one with me for a while and I'd appreciate it if your were to back off!

He got 3 days for playing the fool. Then he comes back on doing it some more. NOW you decide that your going to start hanging out in politics? Why Jake? GET OVER IT!!!

Have a good one!:thumbsup:

thcbongman

08-14-2006, 05:56 PM

It wasn't Alex Jones who interviewed them... It was the BBC... and it is well documented... you just have to google it to find the interviews. Just because people are spoon feeding you the information doesn't mean it isn't out there. I think you are mistaking lack of evidence with your lack of willingness to look for the evidence.

If you can't find enough proof that they are alive, where is the proof that they are dead? Why are you content with believing they died without evidence yet push aside the fact they are alive because you don't see a picture of them side by side with fingerprints??

It's not pushing aside. It's being indifferent to the idea. This "well documented" part. Wouldn't you be providing it to support your argument? I think that would be a more through message than these 8 points, that the US government attacked us? To give you some credit, sure, there is a lack of willingness and apathy on my part to look for some credible supporting evidence while weaving out the junk. However, the USA government can't legally prove that any of the terrorists are dead. Why do you assume I automatically believe their story? It's their "official story", it's the widespread belief that all antagonistic accounts are based upon.

I seen one BBC article on it about 2 weeks after 9/11/01, which states that 4 of them turned up alive, with an acknowledgement from FBI Director Robert Mueller. But what does that exactly prove? That the USA mistakenly identified them? This doesn't prove motive.

BobBong

08-14-2006, 06:03 PM

Sure, hand over the cockpit. I'll fly the plane for a while.

He hasnt blown anymore smoke than anyone else around here.

And no you didnt give him fair warning, you gave him an altimatum.

Stop questioning my authority or be banned.

It wasnt about insult at all.

Peace.

No it's called stop being an asshole and continuously trying to provoke an argument with both mods and members Some people just love to stir shit up and then play with it like it was a nerf football.
Well, Gumby obviously likes to play with shit and it's obvious he had it coming.

Grow up Gumby. Make your points but don't be act like a child. If you can't make your points without being snide, don't make them here.

I don't object to Psycho's banning gumby. After he was already banned he came back just to be an ass. That's lame if you ask me. He needs to grow up.

As far as I'm concerned when(if) he returns he had better change the attitude because we don't come on here to let people try and make fools of us.

Bob.

Marlboroman

08-14-2006, 06:18 PM

No it's called stop being an asshole and continuously trying to provoke an argument with both mods and members Some people just love to stir shit up and then play with it like it was a nerf football.
Well, Gumby obviously likes to play with shit and it's obvious he had it coming.

Grow up Gumby. Make your points but don't be act like a child. If you can't make your points without being snide, don't make them here.

I don't object to Psycho's banning gumby. After he was already banned he came back just to be an ass. That's lame if you ask me. He needs to grow up.

As far as I'm concerned when(if) he returns he had better change the attitude because we don't come on here to let people try and make fools of us.

Bob.

Its been said over and over that in this forum (politics) there will be a laxed rule set, as the discussions get very heated.

That should include pokeing the moderator, after all he has stated on a few occassions that he is no different than the rest of the members who post in this section.

Why all the sudden does his authority stand above all?
Why is it that when someone squares off on him, they are automatically an ass?
He has squared off on many in here, myself included, as I has squared off on him, just like im doing now.

This is an example of do as I say not as I do mentality.

I think maybe I'll stop playing on the side of logic and just run around this section spouting insults at anyone who opposes Bong and Psycho, then Ill be part of the team ya.

Then I'll be given free reighn to call people fuck face, dipshit, asshole, idiot, retard.....ETC. The options are endless you see, cause as long as I start playing for the right team what I say will not be held against me.

AH, but should I oppose, well there option A, or option B.

Peace.

Psycho4Bud

08-14-2006, 06:23 PM

When I'm on here posting on a topic my ass is fair game. When I'm on here moderating that's another issue........like it or not.

Jake, I've warned you once about your moderating here and it's the LAST time.....you want to be the martyr....keep it up!

Have a good one!:thumbsup:

Psycho4Bud

08-14-2006, 06:25 PM

BCBUDBOY

08-14-2006, 06:27 PM

My 2 cents I am half way through the Quran(koran) and it says clearly a Jihadd is strictly for defense, .It does not mean convert or die. BCBUDBOY

Marlboroman

08-14-2006, 06:39 PM

By the way Marlboroman, did you receive the copy of the e-mail I sent to Bong30 telling him to chill out a bit? I didn't think so, we usually don't make 6,400 copies of such items for all members to see.

Um, no, I am not in the circle of trust.

But I like the way you gave jake the same A or B choice as Gumby.

Very classy way to settle your disputes.

I'll stop beating around the bush, your wrong to have banned Gumby for his comments in this situation, and your wrong to threaten Jake.

Contrary to what you might believe, I have a great amount of respect for you. But you are wrong in this.

If Gumby stays banned, I fully expect Bong will be gone the next time he makes a personal attack. And I'm fairly sure that wont take long.

P4B, you should be reasonable about this and stop throwing your power around, you make just as many snide remarks as anyone here.

Peace.

Psycho4Bud

08-14-2006, 07:02 PM

The first time that Bong30 decides to play the fool when I'm moderating in here you can bet that he'll be on a vacation. As far as "the power".....this is a cannabis forum....don't try to play it up like I'm a congressman or something. MY JOB in here is to keep things in order to an extent and I really don't need/or want the assistance/ or lack of assistance from a kid.

There's a reason why I'm about the only mod that will venture in politics..........I'm thick skinned enough to put up with a degree of shit. If you agree with this side everyone else from the other cries fowl....likewise, it would be the same the other way around.

My politics and moderating are completely different issues and the sooner that's realized the better. GS tested my limits and things are cool with him now, do I agree with his posts? The greater majority NO but he knows where the lines are and respects them.

ONCE AGAIN....if you people want FULL forum guidelines in here it will be my pleasure! 22-6 said NO before.

Have a good one!:thumbsup:

Its a Plant

08-14-2006, 07:27 PM

I thought you said goodbye to this place, Jake?

I think Psycho4bud and BobBong are doing a fantastic job moderating, and especially here in politics. I cruise these boards often and it's always neat to see them keep the peace. Keep flyin' the U.N. flag, boys! ~

Marlboroman

08-14-2006, 07:33 PM

This thread STARTED with an insult...why try to pin all this crap on him? I tend to agree with his first reply.

Have a good one!:thumbsup:

The above is your starting comments today in reference to a post of mine, which eventually led us to where we are now in this discussion.

If indeed your moderator job and your posting life are two different issues, then maybe you shouldnt get involved with the discussion while your playing moderator.

I read the posting that got GS banned, it was for makeing personal attacks in another section of this board. I would assume the same for Gumby seeing as I read another post of yours refering to the same sort of thing.

In this instance however, Gumby's comment was made within the confines of this section. And from what I can tell he merely tested your authority rather than your shit meter.

Be my guest, tack on full guidelines, it wouldnt cramp my style, it may keep me from my rare rant, but I can deal with that too.

Matter of fact I think I would prefer the standard guidelines as it seems your lines are blurry to say the least.

Only real lines I can see is dont take parsonal attacks to another section, and if you warn us, back off or be banned. Its that second one that is so blurry, and your actions in my opinion are hypocritical to say the least.

I'll take a quote from Option A I believe it is, "If you dont like, what you see here, get the fuck out."

Doesnt seem to me that you like takeing option A's advice anymore than GS or Gumby.

Peace.

Bong30

08-14-2006, 09:36 PM

I go to work, come back.....The whole world is coming apart.....

I told P4B to tell me when I go to far..... He told me.

IM chillin...............For now ;)

Bong30

08-14-2006, 09:47 PM

Why wasn't that on the national news?...

. Exacty.
Jake Is so Ignorant (Just doesnt know) about the shotting in Seattle.

He asked...."why isnt it on the National News" There is no way he is smart enough to figure that out.....Not a Flame just the truth. His Brain Cant Handle that a Muslim went into a Clinic and started shooting women on the bellys in the name of Allah

It happend Jake......... Think about your Question.... If you can

VVVV here is more shit that didnt happenVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVV

denver & the west
Safeway shooter hinted of act
"Something is going to go down," son told his dad before work
By Robert Sanchez, JP Eichmiller and Felisa Cardona
Denver Post Staff Writers

"I got shot rightaway. He was shooting at everybody; he wasn't just aiming at me." Luis Relford, co-worker

Michael Julius Ford randomly picked his targets and didn't say a word while he blasted his way through co-workers at a Denver warehouse, one of his victims said Tuesday.

"He popped up around the corner and started shooting rounds out," said Luis Relford, 34, a Safeway worker who was shot in the right wrist as he began his 3 p.m. shift Sunday. "He was randomly shooting. ... I thought that (I had to) get the hell out of there."

When Ford, 22, ended his hour-long shooting spree at the Safeway warehouse near Interstate 70, one person was dead and five injured, including a Denver SWAT team member shot at the hip.

SWAT members killed Ford after he fired on them, leaving behind questions about why the Montbello High School graduate turned on his colleagues.

Speaking at a news conference at Denver Health Medical Center with a bandage around his right wrist, Relford said there was little time to think when he heard the first pop, pop, pop of Ford's long-barreled handgun.

"I got shot right away, then fell to the ground, got up and started running," said Relford, who was beginning his second month as an order selector. "(Ford) was 20 feet from me. He was shooting at everybody; he wasn't just aiming at me."

Militant Islam Monitor > Articles > Muslim Safeway employee kills two wounds seven in "sudden Jihad syndrome" shooting rampage

Muslim Safeway employee kills two wounds seven in "sudden Jihad syndrome" shooting rampage
Brother of shooter shot in 'unrelated incident' father Khalid Muhammed says shootings "a nightmare" for the family
June 27, 2006

MIM: In his blog "More instances of denying Islamist terrorism" Dr.Daniel Pipes notes:

Michael Julius Ford

June 27, 2006 update: Total bafflement from every Ford family member interviewed, except for this revealing piece of information from Ford's younger sister Khali, who said Michael was upset because people were making fun of his religion at work. "I don't know what happened to him yesterday. It was like everything changed. He told me that Allah was going to make a choice and it was going to be good and told me people at his job was making fun of his religion and he didn't respect that." In a contrasting account, co-worker Debbie Richmeier, 45, dismissed any suggestion that the employees made fun of Ford's religion. "The group of people he shot, we did not know Michael Ford was any [certain religion]. Nobody knew he had switched to Muslim. Nobody would have cared." Richmeier's version suggests that Ford's motives came from within. Another news report indicates that both the police and Safeway are downplaying the stories about Ford being taunted and harassed at work because of being a Muslim. http://www.danielpipes.org/blog/403

Mom: 'I have no answers for them' Family at a loss for what might have set off Michael Ford Dennis Schroeder

Felecia Ford, the mother of Michael Ford, hugs her daughter, Beyonca Ellis, as she expresses her condolences Monday for the people shot Sunday at the Safeway warehouse in Denver. Police said Michael Ford shot five people before officers killed him. His family and investigators said they are stumped as to what might have provoked the rampage. http://www.rockymountainnews.com/drmn/local/article/0,1299,DRMN_15_4804272,00.html By David Montero, Rocky Mountain News
June 27, 2006 Felecia Ford walks with a crutch, but she needed much more than that Monday to bear the weight of knowing her son killed a person and injured five others in a workplace shooting rampage.

"I have no answers for them," Ford said. "I'm still trying to find answers. May God be with them because that's the only way I'm going to get through it."

The 46-year-old stood in the street outside the working-class Montbello neighborhood and sobbed. She could scarcely believe it was her son, Michael J. Ford, who entered a Safeway warehouse Sunday afternoon and fired 16 rounds - six of which were aimed at Denver SWAT team members. Ford was shot and killed by SWAT officers Ryan Grothe and James Sewald.

The Ford family had been gathering at the home of Ford's father, Khalid Abdul Muhammad, all day, trying to understand what might have set off the 6-foot-6 Ford. The 60-year-old patriarch only offered an agitated "I'm tired" before retreating into the house.

Explanation was futile for his older brother, Bobby Ford, as well.

"He must've held every piece of rage in his life and stuck it in a place and just let it out," he said. "It probably wasn't even a big deal, but the cap busted off."

Ford said he never remembered his brother being angry growing up or disliking his job unloading trucks at the warehouse. In fact, he said the only time he complained was Memorial Day weekend, when there was a big shipment of corn to be unloaded.

"He said the corn was heavy," Ford, 30, said. "But that was it. He loved that job."

HIHAD IS HAPPENING DOWN THE STREET FROM MY HOUSE......

THATS WHY IM SO PISSED OFF................IT IS IN MY HEIGHBORHOOD.

Jake Type in ill spell it out for you..(safeway shooting denver) MMMMK

Type..... Seattle clinic shooting...........MMMMmmmmk

Hamlet

08-14-2006, 10:12 PM

NO MODERATION! I'm enjoying these squabbles profusely.:) ...and so is everyone else or there wouldn't be more viewing than any other thread...lol

Bong30

08-14-2006, 10:14 PM

NO MODERATION! I'm enjoying these squabbles profusely.:) ...and so is everyone else or there wouldn't be more viewing than any other thread...lol

Its called Passion............ I love it.

BTW the vote is Over...... Sorry Jake

eg420ne

08-14-2006, 10:46 PM

You know to be fair i think i need to become a MOD here..you know you have neocons as mods why not an american who does not buy what his government sells him EVER...........

Bong30

08-14-2006, 10:53 PM

You know to be fair i think i need to become a MOD here..you know you have neocons as mods why not an american who does not buy what his government sells him EVER...........

Dude get in the lefty line...for mod.

eg420ne

08-14-2006, 10:58 PM

sorry bong im not a lefty im an AMERICAN who see this nation being ruined by a bunch of fucken neocons

Psycho4Bud

08-14-2006, 11:01 PM

eg, come to chat once.

Have a good one!:thumbsup:

Bong30

08-15-2006, 01:46 AM

Jake.... did you type "Seattle clinic shooting"?

Denver safeway shooting

Doctor mj

08-15-2006, 04:15 AM

Psycho4Bud

08-15-2006, 04:58 AM

WOW bong your still here posting that same anti muslim type shit?
I told you guys, hes working for the government, and he probably doesnt even know it himself.
Here are some clues to his connections to government officals of pro-government propaganda.
1. he always post constantly, like hes on his computer 24\7
2. he was an ex-coke head
3. claims anything pro muslim is propaganda
4. i think psyco is biased and he banned me, for saying the exact same thing bong30 said in a earlier post.

We should just stop reading his bullshit, and ignore him, unless he actually has something to debate about, which is rare.

No, that's why you got banned. For stating that a member of this community was a government employee. I'm SURE I'll catch heat for this one but I don't really care. If Torog was making the same type of false accusations against Great Spirit I'd do the same thing. First time was 3.......see ya in 30.

If you got PROOF send me an e-mail and I'll lift the ban on you and boot Bongs ass out for good. This is first and foremost a cannabis site, if you accuse a member of this type of crap you better have your FACTS straight.

Have a good one!:thumbsup:

Marlboroman

08-15-2006, 02:00 PM

No, that's why you got banned. For stating that a member of this community was a government employee. I'm SURE I'll catch heat for this one but I don't really care. If Torog was making the same type of false accusations against Great Spirit I'd do the same thing. First time was 3.......see ya in 30.

If you got PROOF send me an e-mail and I'll lift the ban on you and boot Bongs ass out for good. This is first and foremost a cannabis site, if you accuse a member of this type of crap you better have your FACTS straight.

Have a good one!:thumbsup:

Well, I dont think giveing you a ration would do anything, your going to MOD the way you do and thats that.

But I will point out that I have seen shows on servalence on the science channel.

The GOV has over 30,000 employees on the internet searching and posting, so altho the chances of what Doc is saying may be low, its not out of the question.

That show aired over 6 months ago, and outright claimed the GOV was adding more by the thousands.

I dont know how he he is suppossed to send you proof tho, if he did I would be very impressed, and he would prob be dead for getting and circulateing it.

Look at Valerie Plume, you out a GOV agent doing their job and the consequences will get you.

Altho Bongs communication is the pattern of a denier, I wouldnt jump to any conclusions like hes a GOV agent.

"Thats not a flame, just the truth."

Out of curiosity tho, would you have banned him had he not called you out in that last point?

Peace.

Bong30

08-15-2006, 02:11 PM

Well, I dont think giveing you a ration would do anything, your going to MOD the way you do and thats that.

But I will point out that I have seen shows on servalence on the science channel.

The GOV has over 30,000 employees on the internet searching and posting, so altho the chances of what Doc is saying may be low, its not out of the question.<<<<<<<<<<< yes it is. Walking a thin line MM.

That show aired over 6 months ago, and outright claimed the GOV was adding more by the thousands. <<<<< I wish they would aid me

I dont know how he he is suppossed to send you proof tho, if he did I would be very impressed, and he would prob be dead for getting and circulateing it.

Look at Valerie Plume, you out a GOV agent doing their job and the consequences will get you.

Altho Bongs communication is the pattern of a denier, I wouldnt jump to any conclusions like hes a GOV agent.

"Thats not a flame, just the truth."

Out of curiosity tho, would you have banned him had he not called you out in that last point?

Peace.

MM why dont you just keep your nose out of IT?

When you wllking down the street and you see a pile of Dog shit.... do you walk over and step in it?

You must.

Marlboroman

08-15-2006, 02:19 PM

MM why dont you just keep your nose out of IT?

When you wllking down the street and you see a pile of Dog shit.... do you walk over and step in it?

You must.

I step in this pile cause it wont leave a stinky mess on the bottom of my shoe.

And I happen to agree with Doc on this, I do think P4B is biased in his MOD job atleast in this section.

This is the only section I cruise usually so I cant pretend to speak about other sections. And because this is the only section I am in with any regularity, I have a vested interest in its internal politics.

Any more questions Bong?

And now your warning me about a thin line? how much influence do you have?

Peace.

Bong30

08-15-2006, 02:33 PM

I step in this pile cause it wont leave a stinky mess on the bottom of my shoe.

And I happen to agree with Doc on this, I do think P4B is biased in his MOD job atleast in this section.

This is the only section I cruise usually so I cant pretend to speak about other sections. And because this is the only section I am in with any regularity, I have a vested interest in its internal politics.

Any more questions Bong?

And now your warning me about a thin line? how much influence do you have?

Peace.

I am saying you are just about an inch from calling me an NSA agent....Thin line.......

Thats fine...... keep your panties on................

You have been waiting to take your shot at me...................Take it.

Marlboroman

08-15-2006, 02:38 PM

I am saying you are just about an inch from calling me an NSA agent....Thin line.......

Thats fine...... keep your panties on................

You have been waiting to take your shot at me...................Take it.

Whoa, hold up there cowboy.

I never claimed you anything, and nameing an agency would be out of character for me.

There is No Such Agency.

I feel no need to club the baby seal.

Peace.

Bong30

08-15-2006, 10:54 PM

Yeah. I'm still not taking the pill. I've known muslims who would, on a fundamentalist level, want me to be beheaded and dragged down the street.

But they haven't.

They aren't brainwashed people, Bong.

I'm not going to swallow that pill.

Maybe those guys were just having one of those days and, like the children who claimed they only smoked pot because everyone else was doing it, they were looking for an excuse.

Remember, isolated incidents aren't scientific proof that something's true. Think like a scientist, which you should know how to do since you did spend all those years in college taking advanced physics, and study each incident circumstance by circumstance.

Jake

You cant swallow the Pill caus eit will make your whole life bullshit...

If we are in Jihad what then.............

Jake each one of them went in to kill in the Name of Jihad..............

Post one think where a person went to kill people and was In the name Of Jesus I kill you..............

It doesnt happen........... dont say shit about the war......

I want stories of christians walking into work and killing in the Name of JESUS

NOW!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!

SinisterK

08-15-2006, 11:30 PM

Everyone here really needs to re-examine their morals. People should be allowed to express their opinions. At the same time they should respect the opinions of others, and not push their beliefs on others.

Fighting about shit is not going to change one thing. People aren't going to change their views. Everybody is different, thats how the world works. Get used to it.

Bong30

08-16-2006, 12:04 AM

Atleast you think.........Thanks

What alot of you guys dont know.....There is a History between many of the members here.
It wasnt the first Time DR.MJ had called me NSA agent......

GUys I sold, rode, made, designed, snowboards since 1985. Now I work with My Dad.......... we work on Cars...High end cars....

I am very fired up about Muslims Killing in the Name of Jihad. That my opinion. It has happened too many time to not see it.

I have herd a saying.............IF YOUR NOT MAD, YOUR NOT PAYING ATTENTION...

I would say the same thing about Illegal imagration, Those are 2 issues that hit home to me.

thcbongman

08-16-2006, 12:29 AM

To openly incriminate myself, I hooked up someone through cannabis.com who worked for a government agency I'll decline to mention, but let's say it's not in a place where you'd suspect. That was about a year ago. I'm not in jail. No one is directly coming after me. I previously worked in a position that requires a clearance of public trust. If that were so the case, they would've revoked it as soon as it happened. I would've been fucked before any of you others.

What does this have to do with just finding an individual? They aren't going to waste their budget to go after small-time dealers, let alone people who just smoke pot. The government is a slow, inefficient machine, with some departments literally 10 years behind their time.

Point is everyone should think twice about posting personal information. You never know what you'd do in the future. The past is always behind you, remember that.

latewood

08-16-2006, 10:20 AM

I guess I need to explain Jihad to you as well...

Jihad, the exertion of efforts for the cause of God, is a duty satisfied at the communal and the individual level. At the individual level, it denotes the personal struggle to be righteous and follow the path ordained by God. Communally, it involves both encouraging what is good and correcting what is not and waging war against enemies of Islam.

They do not go out and try to kill everyone who isn't Islamic, that's a Christain practice... Muslims use Jihad to defend their faith not promote it. Are there a few who use Islam to attack the West, YES... but they aren't the president killing tens of thousands of innocent civilians. That's what christians do.

Oh yeah... Christians also took part in a little thing called the Crusades and the conquest of south america Not to mention the killing of 90% of everything that was native to this country... but I guess it's ok to be a part of a rightous group who only wages war to pass on thier flawed doctrain than it is to follow a religion that only promoted violence when attacked or threated...

The main purpose of Jihad as well as the main purpose of what Christianity once was, is Knowledge... Jihad is the mass gain of knowledge and coming to peace with the self and the world... not killing people..

So spread your hate someone else.. I would like to live in a world full of love..
with both christians a muslims...

On the contrary...Jihad'ist are killing everyone...they killed children and muslims alike at the WTC...However, I have to say I agree that the rest of this post is TRUE!

latewood

08-16-2006, 10:42 AM

You know to be fair i think i need to become a MOD here..you know you have neocons as mods. Why not an american who does not buy what his government sells him EVER...........they already have one...latewood...I don't believe anything the government spews out.

latewood

08-16-2006, 10:47 AM

MM why dont you just keep your nose out of IT?

When you wllking down the street and you see a pile of Dog shit.... do you walk over and step in it?

You must.It is his thread!!! I say he has a right to question any post in this thread.

2-3 times someone has told the member who started the thread to mind his own business. If you don't like what he says in his own thread...Too bad!

latewood

08-16-2006, 10:54 AM

You cant swallow the Pill caus eit will make your whole life bullshit...

If we are in Jihad what then.............

Jake each one of them went in to kill in the Name of Jihad..............

Post one think where a person went to kill people and was In the name Of Jesus I kill you..............

It doesnt happen........... dont say shit about the war......

I want stories of christians walking into work and killing in the Name of JESUS

NOW!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!In the crusades...the templers (The pope's special forces) were the murderous bastards of the christian Army, and murdered many innocent muslims, before being wiped out eventually after a Jihad. That is a fact. they felt that they gained a better foothold into heaven with every muslim life they took! So, there is your Christians Killing in the name of christ.

By the way. Many Christians were attempting to live peacefully wiht Muslims in the region; But greed, prejudice and the fact that "Templers" escalated the warring at every level. I oculd go on and on, but I think you will get the point.

Bong30

08-16-2006, 01:56 PM

You are WRONG............Christians Have learned over the years.

yes the crusades were bad..........................BUT

(THIS IS WHAT YOU WONT SEE)
WE LEARNED FROM THEM........................

Show me articles where Muslims stand against Violence

The Crusades
Apology of the Pope

The Crusades were a series of wars initiated by Christians to win back their holy lands from Muslims, with a total of 8 Crusades in almost 200 years... both Catholics and Protestants were involved... at this time there were no Protestants!.

the first, 1095-1101, Pope Urban II;
the second, headed by Louis VII, 1145-47, New Advent;
the third, conducted by Philip Augustus and Richard Coeur-de-Lion, conquest of Jerusalem, 1188-92;
the fourth, during which Constantinople was taken, 1204;
the fifth, which included the conquest of Damietta, 1217;
the sixth, in which Frederick II took part (1228-29); also Thibaud de Champagne and Richard of Cornwall (1239);
the seventh, led by St. Louis, 1249-52;
the eighth, also under St. Louis, 1270.

The reason for the Crusades:

By the end of the 10th century, the spread of Islam had all but stopped and a comparatively stable state of affairs existed between Muslims, Jews and Christians with the latter able to make pilgrimages to Jerusalem, which was at that stage under Muslim rule.

This state of affairs came to an end however, with the aggressive expansion of the Turks who were ambushing parties of Christian pilgrims on their way to Jerusalem. The various routes to Jerusalem had been relatively safe and these sudden attacks alarmed the European Christians for whom pilgrimages were very important.

With the Byzantine Empire under threat from the Turks, the Emperor Alexius swallowed his pride and sent a request to Pope Urban II in Rome for help.

This cry for help was a perfect opportunity for Pope Urban to regain some influence over Constantinople and also fulfil his obligation to protect the rights of Christendom.

On 27 November 1095, thousands gathered outside the cathedral in Clermont-Ferrand in France to hear Pope Urban II's message. At this great gathering he called Western Christendom to take up arms and liberate the Holy Land. With the Pope's message stirring them to fever pitch, they shouted, "God wills it!" and began to sew the sign of the cross on their tunics. Within months, thousands had started the long trek eastwards, anxious to bear the sword in the name of Jesus Christ and to free Jerusalem from the Muslim infidel.

Jerusalem was taken from the Muslims on the third Crusade, by Philip II King of France, and Richard I (Coeur-de-Lion) King of England.

The Crusaders had to set up a state. They took counsel as to who should be chosen to rule in the Holy Land. After much intrigue, Godfrey of Bouillon, Duke of Lower Lorraine, was offered the title of king. He chose instead to be called the Defender of the Holy Sepulcher, saying that he could not wear a crown of gold in the city where his Savior had worn a crown of thorns.

In 1187 Saladin, who had overthrown the Fatimid caliphate in Egypt, expanded his power into Palestine and seized Jerusalem.

In 1291, when Acre fell, Christian rule in the Holy Land ceased to be a matter of practical politics.

During the many battles of the Crusades there were many atrocities, both by the Christians and by the Muslims. The Muslims won more battles and eventually the War, seizing Palestine and Jerusalem for hundreds of years... so, they had more opportunities to commit atrocities, and indeed they did!... though many historians don't even mention one of them!.

Some historians believe that the starting of the Crusades was a Just War, I believe so too.
http://www.catholic-pages.com/dir/link.asp?ref=19838

Other historians believe that the initial spirit of the Crusades was changed into Western Europe's most ambitious common enterprise and its most conspicuous failure was the attempt to bring together all mankind in Christian unity under the leadership of the bishop of Rome, St. Peter's successor, the pope. The most intense part of this enterprise and the one that enlisted the most widespread support in Europe from all levels of society was the Crusades.
http://mars.acnet.wnec.edu/~grempel/courses/wc1/lectures/21crusades.html

http://www.catholic-pages.com/dir/link.asp?ref=11822 Crusades: Truth and Black Legend
http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/04543c.htm Catholic Encyclopedia, the Crusades

An Apology:

A sincere Apology for the wrong doings is always a very healthy sign, because the recognition of past wrongs serves to reawaken our consciences to the compromises of the present, opening the way to conversion for everyone.

The Church of Christ has often apologized for the wrongs of the pass, for the Crusades, the Inquisitions... I would like to see apologies of Islam for the wrong doings of the pass, for the 1001 battles with millions dead, for the 800 years of conquest and blood shed in Spain, for those 600 years in Portugal, Greece 500 years, Sicily 300 years, Serbia 400 years, Bulgaria 500 years, Rumania 400 years, Hungary 150 years... for the bloody conquests in Africa and Asia for hundreds of years... for the atrocities now going on in Sudan, with already 2 million people dead for the only crime of being a Christian...

I sincerely apologize for the atrocities of the Crusades and the Inquisitions, and for my own wrong doings... and I pray God to have mercy on all of us in the Name of our Lord Jesus Christ. Amen.

The last official apology made by the Church was done by the Pope himself, by John Paul II, on March 12, 2000.You an read the full text on Apology of the Pope.

John Paul II says:

"We forgive and We ask Forgiveness"...

"We cannot fail to recognize the infidelities to the Gospel committed by some of our brethren, especially during the second millennium. Let us ask pardon for the divisions which have occurred among Christians, for the violence some have used in the service of the truth and for the distrustful and hostile attitudes sometimes taken towards the followers of other religions"...

"Let us confess, even more, our responsibilities as Christians for the evils of today. We must ask ourselves what our responsibilities are regarding atheism, religious indifference, secularism, ethical relativism, the violations of the right to life, disregard for the poor in many countries"...

"We humbly ask forgiveness for the part which each of us has had in these evils by our own actions, thus helping to disfigure the face of the Church"...

"For the role that each one of us has had, with his behavior, in these evils, contributing to a disfigurement of the face of the Church, we humbly ask forgiveness."

The Pope apologized generally for all sins, but specifically for sins in the service of truth, sins against Christian unity, against Jews, Muslims, Indians, Africans... against respect for love, peace and cultures, against the dignity of women and minorities, and against human rights.

The sins were not specifically enumerated. But when you boil them down they come to this â?? they are political acts by an institution of faith: the Crusades, The Inquisition, persecution of Jews, the forced conversions of Indians and Africans, acts to preserve the power and enrich the Church, acts committed in Concert with Monarchs bound to the church by oath.
Commentary to the John Paulâ??s Historic Apology http://www-tech.mit.edu/V120/N14/col14kris.14c.html

Vatican Apology, April 8, 1998

On March 1998, the Vatican issued a 14-page report that apologized for the Catholic Church's silence during the Holocaust http://www.pbs.org/newshour/bb/religion/jan-june98/vatican_4-8a.html

POPE JOHN PAUL II: (translated) We are deeply saddened by the behavior of those who in the course of history have caused these children of yours to suffer, and asking your forgiveness we wish to commit ourselves to genuine brotherhood with the people of the Covenant
REV. THOMAS REESE: Well, there was a lot of reluctance within the Vatican to talk about past sins at all. But this pope has a real sense of history, a sense... I mean, he's the one who apologized for how the Church treated Galileo. He's done it about how the Church treated the Jews. He's mentioned the Muslims, I mean, he's mentioned most recently in this confession: women. So this is a Pope who's courageous in facing the sinfulness of Christians and calling on them to do better. He knows what he wants to do, and he says it. http://www.pbs.org/newshour/bb/religion/jan-june00/apology_3-13.html.

Crusades Apology 900 Years Later:
http://www.soon.org.uk/page15.htm
http://www.beachbrowser.com/Archives/News-and-Human-Interest/July-99/Crusades-Apology-900-Years-Later.htm
http://www.angelfire.com/ky/dodone/Crusades.html

Some 500 people from more than 30 countries converged on Jerusalem to apologize for the Crusades. Over the previous three years and four months, 2,500 people participated in the interdenominational walk, following the original Crusaders' path, starting in Cologne, Germany, continuing through Turkey, down to Syria, Lebanon, Israel and ending in Jerusalem. Along the way they met with local residents and shared with them their message of apology and reconciliation.

"We have apologized to Muslims, Christians and Jews throughout the region, but this is one specifically from us as members of the Western Church to the Eastern Church. Please accept our apologies," Lynn Green, international director of The Reconciliation Walk.

The Muslims want us to go back to the Middle ages...................

OK so now latewood you are supposed to show me where muslims stand against Violence.

Would you lke me to post the teachings in the Madrasass for you... sound like you might need a little education you self...........