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apsinthion
10-12-2004, 07:17 PM
Earlier today I was contacted (via MSM) by a guy on the Marihemp board's called Herbicide, He has a petition going against a site which really doesn't seem fair on people, It's a site where people talk about real life murders and rapes all over the world in a chit chat form. He was deeply disturbed by this when he found people chating about his cousins brutal murder last January and inventing wild rumors about his cousins sister posting on the site.

So he asked me to give his petition a mention on here.

This is his original thread from Marihemp which will tell you more.........


I'd like to gather everyone heres attention to bring foward something that is hidden from you, and I found it today, and I must say I am disgusted by it. Before I go on, I am no person for ranting at every little thing, and im not some person coming on a pot board to see if I can get potheads to sign a petition, I am a pothead that is bringing out a cause that we must all see and recognize, then destroy. This doesn't involve marijuana.. So if you don't want to help after reading that, don't read further and just leave this page.

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Last January my cousin Travis James Lane was brutally murdered in Michigan, shot in the back of the head, decapitated, and had his hands cut off. My family was destroyed by this, my unlces first born child had been murdered at age 21. My uncle had such bad emotional problems with this, and it killed him inside, and I have felt nothing but sorrow for him, and wish for the best. He has stated time and time again that he doesn't want this all over the news and papers, because it hurts him too much to have it everywhere, and having it around so much sank him into depression, which is not fair. While looking for a specific page of evidence on the trial that sent the murderer to prison, I came upon some forums that had talked about my cousins murder. They portrayed it as another man was murdered and dismembered, but they treated it more like an average day conversation, like it was something to talk about. Like how we come here to talk Marijuana related, they talk about murders, and rapes that happen all over the world. I signed up for the site but wasnt allowed due to the rule against having a free email provider. So I ended up in a chat with the admin of the forums, and asked her to removes the thread containing my cousin, and she wouldn't comply. After an hour of arguing and bickering she still wouldn't take down the thread, and the reason why ill get to. Now I pleaded with her to get rid of it before my family saw how his murder was being discussed like a new movie is on a discussion board. It came to the point of kicking me out of the chat. Her reason for not taking it down was obvious, she clearly stated she didn't care about the family and how they would react if they knew the thread was there.

Most people don't realize it, and im glad I have found it before my family, because this website is used to take murders from all around the world and exploit them for forum activity. They took my cousins murder case, and it ended up with some people spreading rumors that my deceased cousins sister was posting on the forums, which is one of the most insulting things that they could do. This was too much for me, and I knew I could never let my family see it, and now im taking action, but wait, theres more. These forums users have admitted on many occasions of sharing missing person information and othe info, which not only is really dangerous, but also very illegal.

Well heres the point, I want you all to join me, as I move towards taking down Web Sleuths Crime Forums. Without the help of you all it can be hard to get the petition signed to have vBullet boards toremove the crime forums. It's really odd because I never thought id see that.

A lot of you want me to cut to the chase right now, and I want you to read this rant. Only we in big numbers can take down this media balloon that is exploiting any murdered person daily for their own personal pleasure, and the benefits. We must stop the injustice that is arousing like a plague, exploiting the deceased, and doing the most gruesome things anyone could do.

Im asking you to please sign my petition to have vBulletin take down Web Sleuths, for the better.

Thank you,
-Herb

And here is a link to the petition......
http://www.petitiononline.com/wbhates/petition.html

And a link to his post on Marihemp......
http://boards.marihemp.com/boards/thd0x257917.shtml

Thanks.

Euphoric
10-12-2004, 07:19 PM
that is fucked up :mad: i signed it right away!!

apsinthion
10-12-2004, 07:30 PM
Thanks Euphoric! :)

clevemire
10-12-2004, 08:44 PM
Signed it, I did.

While I can't say that I have lost someone close to me, I could never ever take death so lightly, as to make chit chat about it. That is completely fucked up, in my opinion.

apsinthion
10-12-2004, 08:55 PM
Ta Cleve!

Much appricated. :)

GHoSToKeR
10-12-2004, 08:55 PM
i just signed it, butive been thinking.. we dont actually know anything about this site, only what this one guy has said about it.. but, think about it, what if somebody said something to offend someone, and that person then went and tried to get THIS forum banned? we wouldnt be happy, would we? and they would do it without actually knowin anythin about this site, only that it is about Cannabis and therefore must be bad.. i think maybe we're doing the same thing here.. just a thought guys, peace

PS there is one forum on that site about a missin g family, which is followdd by "Please, help Law Enforcement find this missing family".. maybe this site isnt all bad?

apsinthion
10-12-2004, 09:02 PM
I see what you mean ghost but only the man himself can answer that question. If I talk to him again I'll try and get him on here.

And as for the g family as with all forum's there are the goodun's and the badun's.

slowmotion
10-12-2004, 10:19 PM
signed

sawleaf
10-12-2004, 11:50 PM
Sorry I declined to sign that petition. Although I do agree that it is a fucked up website and I am very sorry to hear your story, I feel the internet is the last region where we truely have free speech. I don't believe that the internet should be censored at all. Sorry.

Bro DZ
10-12-2004, 11:51 PM
as long as the 1st ammendment stands that site will not be barred from talking about murders. I've seen close friends shot down for no reason and I have been unfortunate enough to lose family to grizzly murders but if the information can be accessed by the public then people can talk about it and thats that.

sorry, you get no pity from me.

no remorse, no regret
peace

psychocat
10-13-2004, 01:13 AM
FREE SPEECH!!!!
I know the rumour mill isn't very nice but I do believe that it is perpetrated by a minority , I think the open and frank discussion of any subject should be allowed.
Bans and restrictions are the tools of opression , tyrants and dictators telling you exactly what you can think and say are not something I want in this world , this is because I believe that knowledge and understanding bring freedom from ignorance.

Bro DZ
10-13-2004, 01:25 AM
FREE SPEECH!!!!
I know the rumour mill isn't very nice but I do believe that it is perpetrated by a minority , I think the open and frank discussion of any subject should be allowed.
Bans and restrictions are the tools of opression , tyrants and dictators telling you exactly what you can think and say are not something I want in this world , this is because I believe that knowledge and understanding bring freedom from ignorance.
that was almost perfectly worded. 9 1/2 points! LoL :D

RESiNATE
10-13-2004, 02:50 AM
Hmmm, this is a very interesting debate.
Whilst I can totally empathise with your contact, Aspinthion, I do have to agree to the various points already expressed.


I feel the internet is the last region where we truely have free speech. I don't believe that the internet should be censored at all. Sorry.
I agree - with mass propaganda steering our thought patterns, I feel that I can ONLY get an unbiased view from the internet.


what if somebody said something to offend someone, and that person then went and tried to get THIS forum banned? we wouldnt be happy, would we? and they would do it without actually knowin anythin about this site, only that it is about Cannabis and therefore must be bad.. i think maybe we're doing the same thing here.. just a thought guys, peace
Also a very good point.

And, obviously, the police/gov. agencies know of this site, and maybe keep a watchful eye on it for possible leads? Most criminals of this ilk (murderers and rapists) get great satisfaction from boasting about thier crimes.


I believe that knowledge and understanding bring freedom from ignorance.
So true.

Whilst my heart wants to join this crusuade, my head leans toward logic.
It's not fair, it's not nice - but surely they're only satisfying their own kind. We have a choice - we can abstain from such activities, and retain a clear conscience. Banning this site will not bring back those poor souls, nor will it prevent further atrocities - so why let it be a burden?
I feel truly sorry for this chap - but it begs the question: how did he find the site?

Res...

clevemire
10-13-2004, 07:06 PM
I see what you all are saying, and you do make a great point, but I stand by my decision to sign it.

Call it a selfish decision, but that's just the way it is.

juanskee
10-13-2004, 07:47 PM
what's the address for this site?

apsinthion
10-13-2004, 07:58 PM
http://www.websleuths.com/

psychocat
10-14-2004, 11:27 AM
I see what you all are saying, and you do make a great point, but I stand by my decision to sign it.

Call it a selfish decision, but that's just the way it is.

That's an individual choice and I will defend your right to think and say what you truly believe as much as I defend my own.

Imotep
10-14-2004, 12:06 PM
Herbicides are evil and should be banned.
even from discussion.

clevemire
10-14-2004, 01:25 PM
Thanks psycho!

I was gonna say something else, but I forgot. Might as well blame it on the greeny :D

RESiNATE
10-14-2004, 01:35 PM
lol Clevermire, I hope you didn't think that I was condemning your decision to sign it?
Not at all - it is your right based on your own beliefs and convictions, of which is admirable.
I nearly signed it based on those self-same beliefs, but I guess that when I read what others had to say, I had to step back and think a bit deeper about it.
But that's cool :)
It's what a democracy is all about, init lol

I don't agree with peadophile websites either, but I doubt that any amount of crying about it will change the fact that they wil always exist.
Sad, but true: humans are the pits - and what they do to each other, and how they regard those things, is a tribute to their ignorance and evilness.

Just my thoughts :)
Res...

Euphoric
10-14-2004, 01:41 PM
think for yourself + follow your heart...youll know what to do. that means a slightly different moral ethic for everyone i guess huh? maybe thats what jeffery dahmer was doing..but really i think he was justa sick bastard!

RESiNATE
10-14-2004, 01:50 PM
lol Euphoric, true true.

It's all about the protocol of the society in which one is brought up.
Plus no small amount of psychotic tendencies, in the case of Dahmer.

I was gonna launch into a whole load of psychological analagy then, but I've totally forgotten what I was gonna say... lol
Might have something to do with the fact that I am stoooooned

Probably a good thing :rolleyes:
lol

qwerty
10-14-2004, 03:25 PM
yea that is very stupid to have a website like that....i signed it

juanskee
10-14-2004, 04:55 PM
is it possible a crime can be solved or taken care of by this website? I'm not reading that forum anytime soon.

Jimmicrackedcorn
10-16-2004, 08:24 PM
I don't think you can ban a website for the fuckups inside it, after reading some of the posts most of the info u will find in the news anyway, most of em are expressing there theories on the crimes, or just commenting on the stuff in the news, not in a sadistic way but the way anybody would, like:-

http://websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=13884

You could call this one making light of death but the actual quiz is on court tv,

http://websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=14058

I didn't even know there was a court tv, thats a little bit fucked up, I wonder if the families consent to there business being televised and made available to the world? If they did, fair enuff, but if they didn't then thats fucked up.

http://www.courttv.com/trials/peterson/quiz_prosecution/index.html

But surely you've seen stuff like this before on the Discovery Channel like forensic detectives. I don't think you're gonna have any luck in shutting the website down, just because this info is available anyway, I do believe you should have a say in getting that info about your cousin taken down though, because you're family for fuck sake, some ppl have no respect.
Did you hear about the Ken Bigley vids bein on the internet? If they haven't been taken down (I dunno if they have) I doubt they'll even bat an eyelid over this, sorry, the law's shit, and is pretty much void of emotion, thats the reason why drug dealers get 25 yrs, and Child rapists only get 2 1/2 cuz these sick fucks can be 'reformed' even though they've scarred some1's life, while dealers are obviously beyond help.
Every post I start always turns in to a rant, sorry

Islander
10-16-2004, 08:52 PM
Sorry I declined to sign that petition. Although I do agree that it is a fucked up website and I am very sorry to hear your story, I feel the internet is the last region where we truely have free speech. I don't believe that the internet should be censored at all. Sorry.
My thoughts exactly.

Islander
10-16-2004, 08:56 PM
I don't think you can ban a website for the fuckups inside it, after reading some of the posts most of the info u will find in the news anyway, most of em are expressing there theories on the crimes, or just commenting on the stuff in the news, not in a sadistic way but the way anybody would, like:-

http://websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=13884

You could call this one making light of death but the actual quiz is on court tv,

http://websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=14058

I didn't even know there was a court tv, thats a little bit fucked up, I wonder if the families consent to there business being televised and made available to the world? If they did, fair enuff, but if they didn't then thats fucked up.

http://www.courttv.com/trials/peterson/quiz_prosecution/index.html

But surely you've seen stuff like this before on the Discovery Channel like forensic detectives. I don't think you're gonna have any luck in shutting the website down, just because this info is available anyway, I do believe you should have a say in getting that info about your cousin taken down though, because you're family for fuck sake, some ppl have no respect.
Did you hear about the Ken Bigley vids bein on the internet? If they haven't been taken down (I dunno if they have) I doubt they'll even bat an eyelid over this, sorry, the law's shit, and is pretty much void of emotion, thats the reason why drug dealers get 25 yrs, and Child rapists only get 2 1/2 cuz these sick fucks can be 'reformed' even though they've scarred some1's life, while dealers are obviously beyond help.
Every post I start always turns in to a rant, sorry
lol, don't apologize, that was a wicked post.

Jimmicrackedcorn
10-16-2004, 09:08 PM
They do still have the Ken Bigley vids on the internet, it's shit like that (the actual death, and the reasons as to why it happened) that makes me sick man, No1 seems to have a sense of empathy.