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Bong30

08-12-2006, 02:09 PM

Look at these pics, and tell me what you think.

activedenial

08-12-2006, 02:26 PM

I think there used to be a civilisation on mars that was destroyed a long time ago. NASA sent the viking lander 2 in 1976 to the cydonia region. All the pictures will never be released because of national security. I wish I was the rover operator who gets to see the images before they are processed and released to the public.

Bong30

08-12-2006, 02:42 PM

Hey P4B, can you make a Poll on this thread. I didnt think of it.

Yes life

No life

We have 2 yes.....

activedenial

08-12-2006, 02:52 PM

The Disney dome, and the mars dome have some similarities. That picture was taken from satellite so it has to be huge.

jamstigator

08-12-2006, 03:14 PM

The Martians are the ones who were behind the 9/11 bombings. I'm sure we'll read about it shortly on infowars.com!

Nochowderforyou

08-12-2006, 03:18 PM

Interesting thread. :thumbsup:

Bong30

08-12-2006, 03:40 PM

The Disney dome, and the mars dome have some similarities. That picture was taken from satellite so it has to be huge.

So what you are telling me is... Disney is Investing in mars allready? LOL

That crater looks like impact into water (soft sand)..... or a place to live out of the elements. ??????

Do you see the sand drift on the top of the dome?

Kush Over

08-12-2006, 03:42 PM

Don't forget the 'rock worm' inside of the ALH84001 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ALH84001) meteorite.

Bong30

08-12-2006, 03:44 PM

Don't forget the 'rock worm' inside of the ALH84001 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ALH84001) meteorite.

Sweet...........:thumbsup:

orangeman

08-12-2006, 04:16 PM

lagstronaut

08-12-2006, 04:45 PM

I believe it's bull shit, and I dont believe in UFO's. Also I really believe those are all those damn satellites and space craft pieces that keep fallin to the ground in the U.S. that look strange and burnt. I only had one experience outside at about 1 a.m. with something flying that looked like a UFO but I highly doubt it. I mean, no way I believe any damn thing the government says that sounds fishy but c'mon, if aliens really existed I believe that I would have seen a UFO by now. If they can fly down and see us I'm pretty sure there would be enough of them for us to look up and see them (flying).

So you think there is no other life outside of earth pretty much because you've never seen it with your own two eyes? :confused:

There is absolutely no way that this one rock is the only planet to have micro-organisms evolve into living organisms and adapt to their planet. We only need Oxygen to breathe and Water to stay hydrated because over billions of years that is how we've evolved to adapt to our planet. I'm sure millions of lightyears away there's another planet whose creatures living on it don't need oxygen or water or maybe have never even seen or discovered elements and compunds like that on their planet, because their planet has other elements and compounds naturally growing on it which the people living on that planet have come to depend on after billions of years of evolution themselves.

I find it hard to believe that our planet has millions of plants and animals growing thanks to O2 and H2O, and there is no other planet in the universe that has their own "O2" and "H2O" type of abundances which have allowed for life to adapt and evolve over billions of years just like we have

Ex. if our planet never had oxygen but instead had sulfur in the air and in the atmosphere this entire time, I'm sure that billions of years ago the evolutionary process would have started to adapt so we could "breathe" with the sulfur in the air.

it's like opposable thumbs, we evolved to adapt to our needs. i'm sure there are other floating rocks in space that could undergo the same process and most likely have

something

08-12-2006, 05:03 PM

orangeman

08-12-2006, 05:11 PM

lagstronaut I am very open and believe it or not I was thinkin the EXACT same thing you typed a while ago. I still dont have 100% doubt that there is other life form out there but as of now it just seems more fake than real.

something

08-12-2006, 05:11 PM

anybody ever look into the drake equation at all?

lagstronaut

08-12-2006, 06:11 PM

you are simpliying this way way too much, humans need much more than just water and oxygen to survive

chances are life exists somewhere else in the universe, but when you factor in time it starts to get ridiculous. i think the chances of us ever finding life, intelligent life for that matter, are very remote.

water and oxygen is all our bodies need to survive, of course food too but food can count as anything we can eat and digest properly, where as Water and Oxygen is more special

Captin

08-12-2006, 06:18 PM

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something

08-12-2006, 06:32 PM

how can you say water and oxygen is all we need to survive? what about climate? there's such extremes in the universe it's ridiculous, what about radiation? we wouldn't last 30 seconds in these harsh environments

...i could go on and on, would you like me to? heh

i don't buy that intelligent life forms can breathe sulfuric acid on other planets man, and deal with conditions in excess of 400 degrees C. it just doesn't make sense, i think we need to find planets with a balance like earth in order to find intelligent life, and that's near impossible. i'm pretty sure microrangisms can survive maybe in some very harsh conditions, hell look what we got going miles and miles deep in the ocean where it is freezing, lava flows down there and heats the water, life goes on, it's quite amazing. i'm sure this same thing is going on in many places in the universe.

i think the number of intelligent alien civilizations that have ever been is very low, factor time into it, and that makes the likelyhood that they are nearby and existing right now very low, i think. the universe is very very old, and we have existed for such a short time on that scale. we are a tiny little blip, ya know?

bhouncy

08-12-2006, 06:39 PM

There IS life on mars. FACT. I had a plumber round to fix my leaking sink and while he was handing me the bill he sang the first two lines of the martian anthem. "We are martians and we are going to kick earths arse..." etc. I now have tin foil on my pipes to combat alien radiation planted there by the "plumber". Be vigilant people.

delta9thc06

08-12-2006, 07:51 PM

Well if there are beings on other planets then radiation woulding be a problem because we all adapt to our surroundings. Who said that the beings on another planet are like us in every single way.

jamstigator

08-12-2006, 08:01 PM

I think the universe is probably teeming with life. I think it highly probable that there have been (and perhaps still are) lots of other intelligent lifeforms out there too, although I doubt any are spying on us or kidnapping our cows or ramming probes up our asses.

The question, if that is true, and there are other intelligent races: why haven't we heard radio signals or something from any of them? And there are lots of possible answers to that: 1) we haven't been listening very long; 2) we may not be listening to the right 'channels'; 3) there are none close enough for us to hear; 4) when a civilization reaches a high enough state of technology they self-destruct and their signals end. We'll probably self-destruct ourselves, and then our signals will end as well.

Lethal G

08-12-2006, 08:04 PM

dejayou30

08-12-2006, 08:12 PM

i'm not really sure what i believe when it comes to life on other planets. i think that people on earth only know a small percentage about the vast universe. i'm sure there are places that are unexplorable that have some kind of life somewhere, but we probably won't find out about it in our lifetime.

Bong30

08-12-2006, 08:27 PM

Captin

08-12-2006, 08:38 PM

Orange Explian the fossil in my pic 1 that is a fossil on mars dude...

wasn't that found not to be bacteria some time back? im too lazy to look it up or anything...

Flesh420

08-12-2006, 08:40 PM

Even if we knew that there was other life no one would no it cause governments like to keep shit on the wraps for national secuirty. People who think we are the only liveing things in the universe are ingorant. We arnt that special to be the only in intelligent life forms. Its impossible for us to be the only ones, because the universe is too big.

TrashManifesto

08-12-2006, 09:15 PM

there probably isnt intellegent life in this universe but the chances are there is intellegent life in other universes. the only problem with that is all stars n shit are moving away from each other faster then we can phisically move a human, ever, speed of light, cant get there. the only chance we got is to meet them when the stars come back,,, or worm holes :rasta:

Pride

08-12-2006, 10:23 PM

Aliens don't wanna come here. I mean if this planet has white people killing black people (and of course much more)... think wtf they would do to the PURPLE PEOPLE!!!

delta9thc06

08-13-2006, 02:59 AM

check this out http://www.shoutwire.com/viewstory/23560/Amazing_Hubble_Space_Pics_

orange floyd

08-13-2006, 03:10 AM

check this out http://www.shoutwire.com/viewstory/23560/Amazing_Hubble_Space_Pics_

those are friggin amazing... and i think that the pictures that the starter of the thread dont really show shit, they just looked like a bunch of rocks to me.

but yea somewere in the universe there has to be other life... wonder if they have DNA/RNA... would be cool if they evolved with completely different cell structures and everything

Alive

08-13-2006, 03:11 AM

check this out http://www.shoutwire.com/viewstory/23560/Amazing_Hubble_Space_Pics_

thats some deep shit right there

delta9thc06

08-13-2006, 03:21 AM

I kno its truely amazing whats out there. The 13th row the one all the way to the right is the best.

chris420

08-13-2006, 04:10 AM

Kick ass pictures.
Heres a paragraph from a book called Chariots of the Gods? published in the sixties:
"The Late Willy Ley, well known scientific writer and friend of Wernher von Braun, told me in New York: 'The estimated number of stars in our Mily Way alone amounts to 30 billion. The assumption that our Milk Way contains at least 16 billion planetary systems is considered admissible by present-day astronomers. If we now try to reduce the figures in question as much as possible and assume that the distances between planetary systems are so regulated that only in one case in a hundred does a planet orbit in the ecosphere of its own sunm that still leaves 180 million planets capable of supporting life. If we Further assume that only one planet in a hundred that might support life actually does so, we should still have a figure of 1.8 million planets with life. Let us further suppose that out of every hundred planets with life there is one on which creatures with the same level of intelligence as homo sapiens live. Then even this last supposition gives our Milky Way galaxy alone the vast number of 18,000 inhabited planets."

Our Milky Way galaxy is only a speck in a bigger stellar system that holds other Milky Ways. Its a little hard not to believe that there's life somewhere out there

something

08-13-2006, 02:35 PM

the number of alien civilizations in our galaxy right now equals...

the rate of star formation x
the fraction of starts which have planets x
the average number of planets per star that can support life x
the fraction that actually develops life x
the fraction which actually develops intelligent life x
the fraction of which are willing and able to communicate x
the expected lifespan of a civilization

these values are of course highly disputed and we can only speculate, but as we learn more we can get closer and closer.

i like the way carl sagan fills this equation in. he puts higher values in for the whole thing than anybody else but comes up with a smaller number, only because of time. he believes that a civilization's lifespan is the reason it is so unprobable that there are just teams of civilizations going on right now in our galaxy. it is very huge out there and it is very old, if civilizations only last even say average 10,000 years, that makes it damn near impossible that there are going to be all these civilizations living right now in the milky way.

Aaron19

08-13-2006, 03:42 PM

i found this a picture taken of mars theres a few of them about

Bong30

08-13-2006, 04:06 PM

i found this a picture taken of mars theres a few of them about

Aaron look close at Cydonia.........The face is there.

Aaron19

08-13-2006, 04:07 PM

oh yea sorry my eyesight must be going or its the spliff ive smoked !!!

slowthestone

08-13-2006, 04:24 PM

I used to like to think that the number crunchers logical approach to the likelihood of life elsewhere in the galaxy and universe were incredibly plausible.

Or as Carl Sagan said... "There are some hundred billion (1011) galaxies, each with, on the average, a hundred billion stars. In all the galaxies, there are perhaps as many planets as stars, 1011 x 1011 = 1022, ten billion trillion. In the face of such overpowering numbers, what is the likelihood that only one ordinary star, the Sun, is accompanied by an inhabited planet? Why should we, tucked away in some forgotten corner of the Cosmos, be so fortunate? To me, it seems far more likely that the universe is brimming over with life. But we humans do not yet know. We are just beginning our explorations. The only planet we are sure is inhabited is a tiny speck of rock and metal, shining feebly by reflected sunlight, and at this distance utterly lost."

Eventually, that logic was no longer enough to continue fostering in me thoughts that life must surely exist or existed elsewhere. With our super close neighbor, Mars, being an exception.

1. We humans have an awfully limited definition of what 'life' is and what makes 'life' happen. Until the origiins of life on earth are determined, do those that search for life in the cosmos even know what they're looking for?

2. For all those billions upon billions of stars...conditions have to be just so for any form of life to take hold. The presence of H2O and O2 may indeed help...but if there is no adequate barrier from radiation, as is here on Earth, would any signs of life ever even take place in a place that is simply too hot for animal and plant life as we know it to exist?

3. For fact that no one knows how life was begun in the cosmos...for fact that no one knows how life made its way from it's origin to finding a rock to squat on and flourish, coupled with that the right sort of bacterium has to land on the right sort of planetoid with an environment suitable to it's means to adapt into more complex forms...makes the odds of us recognizing developed life elsewhere go through the roof.

4. Signs of life are being sought in, what to science, are obvious places. ie...look for water, find life. But being as here on Earth exist bodies of water that not even our sturdiest forms of bacteria can sustain itself, pretty much means that the presence of water does not indicate that life be present as well.

5. The calculations for determining the probability of life elsewhere are overly optimistic and chock full of an assumption. I believe a better formula would be to determine the unlikeliness of life occurring, and working from there.

Put in other terms...You're hovering at 150,000 feet above the Pacific Ocean, you're given a 5ml vial and an awfully long string...your task is to drop it into the water...and try to fish out one tiny speck of life that is still recognizable as such when observed more closely.

I save Mars as the exception to all this for sake of it being a stone's throw away from our home here on Earth. Visualizing life dispersing throughout the cosmos as a shotgun blast, with some hitting Mars and Earth both opens my door of probability.

I'm intrigued by the theory of life on Earth may have begun on Mar's, and through impact of with bodies that may harbor signs of life, spread here to Earth. Or, vice versa. The latter being more plausible considering how much debris was set forth when the Earth's moon was just beginning to gather itself after one whopper of an impact separated it from Earth.

That life found it's way to mars, but simply could not sustain itself on the surface is where my thoughts on life on Mars arrive.

None of it really matters though. With arrogance and egotism being such influential staples of humanity...finding life elsewhere would simply be another thing for humankind to exploit.

Aaron19

08-13-2006, 04:30 PM

if there was life on other planets i wonder if they have anything like skunk to smoke or similar !!!
1000 yrs from now we could have other galaxy skunks to grow

bhouncy

08-13-2006, 04:50 PM

if there was life on other planets i wonder if they have anything like skunk to smoke or similar !!!
1000 yrs from now we could have other galaxy skunks to grow

I like your thinking. Talaxian super bush!

mrdevious

08-13-2006, 05:42 PM

Don't forget the 'rock worm' inside of the ALH84001 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ALH84001) meteorite.

From: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ALH84001 (as is linked /\ )

"As of 2006 however, most experts agree that the microfossils are not indicative of life, but of contamination by earthly biofilms. It has not yet conclusively been shown how the features were formed, but similar features have been recreated in labs without biological inputs."

That seems like a logical explanation to me since this meteorite was sitting on Earth 13,000 years ago surrounded by Earth-born organisms.

WeedGremblin

08-13-2006, 07:56 PM

We owe our very lives to the element carbon, which was first manufactured in stars before the Earth formed. The challenge in creating carbon is getting two helium niclei in stars to stick together until they are struck by a third. It turns out that this is accomplished only because of internal resonances, or energy levels, of carbon and oxygen nuclei. If the carbon resonance level were only 4 percent lower, carbon atoms wouldnt form. Were the oxygen resonance level only half a percent higher, almost all the carbon would issappear as it combined with helium to form oxygen. This means that human existence depends on the fine tuning of these two nuclear resonances.

"If you wanted to produce carbon and oxygen in roughly rqual quantities by stellar nucleosynthesis, these are just the two levels you have to fix. Your fixing would have to be just about where these levels are cutally found to be... A common sense interpretation of the facts suggest that a superintellect has monkeyed with physics, as well as with chemistry and biology, and there are no blind forces worth speaking about in nature. The numbers once calculates from the facts seems to me so overwhelming as to put this conclusion almost beyond question... Rather than accept that fantastically small probability of life having arisen through the blind forces of nature, it seemed better to suppose the the origin of life was a deliberate intellectual act."

Stephen Hawking has stimated that if the rate of the universe's expansion once second after the Big Bang had been smaller by even one part in a hundred thousand million million the universe would have recollapsed. The universe must live for billions of years to permit time for intelligent life to evolve. On the other hand. the universe might have expanded so rapidly that protons and electrons never united to make hydrogen atoms.

DannyMan

08-13-2006, 08:09 PM

sometimes I feel like I'M.. the mof'in alien.

Flesh420

08-13-2006, 08:20 PM

That pic that shows the city square is stupid. Lol i could go outside put a few mounds of dirt together and some rocks and say that this pair of rocks is where a big city used to be. I could point at a big rock and say it was the city square. Lol im sorry but that is a retarded picture. It doesnt show shit but a face and some mounds of dirt or what ever is on mars. OHHHH MAN its a cliff

chris420

08-14-2006, 02:42 AM

The picture of the face on Mars are only shadows resembling a human face. There are newer pictures taken of the same mesa without that shadow effect showing a homogeneous mesa of Mars.

Flesh420

09-20-2006, 12:25 AM

The picture of the face on Mars are only shadows resembling a human face. There are newer pictures taken of the same mesa without that shadow effect showing a homogeneous mesa of Mars.

Yes but on the other hand if it is true. Look at what you just said and think about where the picture came from. If there really is something too it we wouldnt know. Because of who it(government) went threw and then landed in our hands.

Bong30

09-20-2006, 12:58 AM

Check out some stuff on Zacharia Sitchins web page...........

http://www.sitchin.com/

Sabron

09-20-2006, 07:21 PM

Alright we cant go thinking what the aliens do/look like.. So all of the above info other than what was proven could be false... We dont even know if aliens use radio waves to communicate.. they might use... diffrent things.. and how do you know there isnt radiation everywhere on this planet..We just evovled into being immune

LIP

09-20-2006, 08:50 PM

. In the universe, as its so big, there must be everything ever thought of. A planet for everything? Maybe a giant kettle?

Or a planet that is just a giant trichome? It's possible..

slowburn420

09-20-2006, 09:24 PM

sometimes I feel like I'M.. the mof'in alien.

lmfao

UnViaje

09-20-2006, 10:54 PM

Used to kick it there, got kicked out for smokin all the bud tho.

Lucifuge

09-20-2006, 11:27 PM

Just how big is the universe?

http://atinyglimpse.ytmnd.com/
(best viewed 1280 x 1024)

smoke it

09-21-2006, 01:19 AM

i went to one of those church classes for kids awhile back when i was twelve, and the dude there said the chances of there being other life is like 400 quadrillion to one, so there must be god. i said to him as far as we know, the univnerse is a big, never ending expanse, at least in this lifetime, right? he said yes. i then said if the chances are 400 quadrillion to one, and the universe never ends then there should be trillions of other planets with life on them, there are just incredibly spaced out, right? shut his ass right up. so according to what we (the public at least) know now, there must be life out there. the chances (according to our current information) of life being there are much greater.

dopesmoker

09-21-2006, 01:25 AM

i dont think theres any life now but i believe there was at one time

suhl

09-21-2006, 04:00 AM

i think there may have been life nothing more than microorganisms certainly no civilization. i think there might be civilization somehwere in the universe but nowhere near here. after all it is a big place

Cas

09-21-2006, 04:28 AM

i definately believe extraterrestrials are visiting earth and probably have bases on the very bottom of the deepest parts of our oceans.

LuckyNiner

09-21-2006, 07:47 AM

I think the universe is WAY too big to even contemplate finding any form of life except for ourselves.

Agreed. In the same vein, however, I believe that the universe is far too large for there to NOT be other forms of life, way out there with their own stars, in their own galaxies.

Also, any life forms we discover would surely be more intelligent than our American president, and that doesn't bode well for the human race, does it?

UnViaje

09-21-2006, 12:26 PM

Old education vid on spacehttp://www.nopers.com/video/1060/explore_the_vastness_of_space
Smoked 1 earlier watching this.

benagain

09-21-2006, 01:07 PM

I'd like to think there's life out there somewhere, but I'm not convinced with the mars pics alone. They almost look like the same pics that bush used to show the 'wmd factories'. Not to say there wasn't pyramids and buildings, but it just looks like some mountains and crater holes to me. One can dream though....