How early can Cancer strike?

[SinisterK]

Just wondering. I've been smoking cigarettes daily for a little shorter than a year. Quitting is hard. But I have no excuses, when I'm seriously ready to quit I believe I will.

[daima]

Just wondering. I've been smoking cigarettes daily for a little shorter than a year. Quitting is hard. But I have no excuses, when I'm seriously ready to quit I believe I will.

lung cancer as early as your 30's
other cancers? you are born with them. some progress in people, and some people they dont. Do all you can to give up the cigs. If it's an excuse you need , use this one.... Tobacco contributes large amounts of cash to keep cannabis illegal and the cannabis user in jail. Sounds like a good enough excuse to me. When you buy tobacco, and you use cannabis, you build your own cage for them to stick you in.

dai*ma:stoned: sfca

[Pesimist]

smoking weed without tobacco is a lot better for lungs.
if i can i ll quit smoking tobacco and only smoke weed:P

[Zoosh]

Cancer is a scary thing. Happens to even the healthiest of people.

[birdgirl73]

I'm not sure people are so much born with cancer as much as many are born with a genetic propensity toward it developing later in life. Most everyone's born with normal cells, and cancer happens when normal cells in various places in the body alter their behavior and structure and begin growing at especially fast rates. Genes play a role in many cancers. Viruses in many others. And environmental and lifestyle factors (like smoking) play a role in many more.

Do a Google on lung cancer and read all about it. Its early symptoms are often hard to recognize, which is why it's so deadly because it gets a head start before it's finally treated. Keep trying to quit smoking till you succeed! Lung cancer is awful, and so is emphysema. Both of those diseases are completely preventable if people don't start--or quickly quit--smoking.

[fastforyou84]

were jus talking about ciggs right now right....not weed?

[SinisterK]

Right, studys show that cannabis smoke doesn't cause cancer.

http://www.pot.tv/archive/shows/pottvshowse-4255.html

[birdgirl73]

I was definitely talking about cigarette smoke. Cannabis smoke doesn't do the same damage that tobacco and its additives do.

[fastforyou84]

Ok good. Just making sure ;-)

[smokinbass]

funy thing about cigs...

ever notice u put a joint in an ashtray and it goes out but u put a cig down and it burns to the filter? there is what could best be called gunpowder in the paper. some of the most common brands of commercial cigs contain up to 117 added chemicals, many would never be allowed in any food product, but still injested when u smoke. if u really enjoy tobacco, smoke some pure tobacco that is rolled in pure rice paper.... its still not the best thing for u, but that other sh*t will kill u.

SB

[daima]

I'm not sure people are so much born with cancer as much as many are born with a genetic propensity toward it developing later in life. Most everyone's born with normal cells, and cancer happens when normal cells in various places in the body alter their behavior and structure and begin growing at especially fast rates. Genes play a role in many cancers. Viruses in many others. And environmental and lifestyle factors (like smoking) play a role in many more.

Do a Google on lung cancer and read all about it. Its early symptoms are often hard to recognize, which is why it's so deadly because it gets a head start before it's finally treated. Keep trying to quit smoking till you succeed! Lung cancer is awful, and so is emphysema. Both of those diseases are completely preventable if people don't start--or quickly quit--smoking.

My wife died of breast cancer in 1989. becareful and try to do your best to minimize the chances.

dai*ma:stoned: sfca

[cannabis campbell]

Babies can get cancer

[birdgirl73]

My wife died of breast cancer in 1989. becareful and try to do your best to minimize the chances.
dai*ma:stoned: sfca
I'm so sorry for your loss, Daima. That's so heartbreaking. Did she have the aggressive, inflammatory kind and carry the BRCA1 or BRCA2 genes in her family? I wish to goodness we could eradicate that disease. It's insidious. Judy, my long-time administrative assistant at my job, died of the very same disease a year and a half ago. My sister, as you may know, is currently nearing the end stage of ovarian cancer. We think her cancer was probably helped by the fact that she took two rounds of powerful fertility drugs 15 or so years ago when she was trying to get pregnant.

I work as hard as I can at preventing all kinds of cancer, breast among them. I keep my weight normal (it's slightly below normal at the moment), exercise, eat right, don't smoke cigs, have regular manual exams, get my mammograms, never have taken fertility drugs, and don't plan to take supplementary hormones of any kind in another six or eight years when the hot flashes begin. I've also experienced pregnancy and lactation, which helps cut women's breast and ovarian cancer risks signficantly, too.

The thing that'll give it to me, if anything does, is either the increasing risk that comes with age or the amount of stress I'm under, but I try my best to manage the stress with exercise. Too bad having only medium-sized unaugmented breasts doesn't cut the risk because I'd have that covered, too, if it did! Even with all my efforts, I know cancer of some type could still nail me to the wall. That's why it's so hateful. It gets plenty of healthy, careful people, too. (And yes, Cananbis, even babies sometimes get particular types of cancers, too. In rare cases, they're even born with malignant tumors.)

Much love and peace to you, Daima, for having been through that experience. It's hard to watch a loved one go through that, isn't it?

[usedchemicals]

funy thing about cigs...

ever notice u put a joint in an ashtray and it goes out but u put a cig down and it burns to the filter? there is what could best be called gunpowder in the paper. some of the most common brands of commercial cigs contain up to 117 added chemicals, many would never be allowed in any food product, but still injested when u smoke. if u really enjoy tobacco, smoke some pure tobacco that is rolled in pure rice paper.... its still not the best thing for u, but that other sh*t will kill u.

SB

Cigarettes contain an agent in them that keep them burning, idk if it is, but it probably could be a small amount of gunpowder

[chris420]

I prefere to roll my own cigs, it is still a nasty vice I should quit tho

[daima]

I'm so sorry for your loss, Daima. That's so heartbreaking. Did she have the aggressive, inflammatory kind and carry the BRCA1 or BRCA2 genes in her family? I wish to goodness we could eradicate that disease. It's insidious. Judy, my long-time administrative assistant at my job, died of the very same disease a year and a half ago. My sister, as you may know, is currently nearing the end stage of ovarian cancer. We think her cancer was probably helped by the fact that she took two rounds of powerful fertility drugs 15 or so years ago when she was trying to get pregnant.

I work as hard as I can at preventing all kinds of cancer, breast among them. I keep my weight normal (it's slightly below normal at the moment), exercise, eat right, don't smoke cigs, have regular manual exams, get my mammograms, never have taken fertility drugs, and don't plan to take supplementary hormones of any kind in another six or eight years when the hot flashes begin. I've also experienced pregnancy and lactation, which helps cut women's breast and ovarian cancer risks signficantly, too.

The thing that'll give it to me, if anything does, is either the increasing risk that comes with age or the amount of stress I'm under, but I try my best to manage the stress with exercise. Too bad having only medium-sized unaugmented breasts doesn't cut the risk because I'd have that covered, too, if it did! Even with all my efforts, I know cancer of some type could still nail me to the wall. That's why it's so hateful. It gets plenty of healthy, careful people, too. (And yes, Cananbis, even babies sometimes get particular types of cancers, too. In rare cases, they're even born with malignant tumors.)

Much love and peace to you, Daima, for having been through that experience. It's hard to watch a loved one go through that, isn't it?

After all of these years i still cry on a daily basis, especially when i look at my grandkids. Dao(her name) was everything to me. She survived the american led bombing of her homeland(Vietnam), only to die 14 years later from a fucking tumor. It just dont seem fair.
She took her own death better than i ever could. She seemed to of welcomed it.
The hardest thing i have ever done in my life was to watch my wife die.
Dao, means, Beautiful Flower, in Vietnamese. And a beautiful flower she was.

dai*ma:(

[daima]

I'm so sorry for your loss, Daima. That's so heartbreaking. Did she have the aggressive, inflammatory kind and carry the BRCA1 or BRCA2 genes in her family? I wish to goodness we could eradicate that disease. It's insidious. Judy, my long-time administrative assistant at my job, died of the very same disease a year and a half ago. My sister, as you may know, is currently nearing the end stage of ovarian cancer. We think her cancer was probably helped by the fact that she took two rounds of powerful fertility drugs 15 or so years ago when she was trying to get pregnant.

I work as hard as I can at preventing all kinds of cancer, breast among them. I keep my weight normal (it's slightly below normal at the moment), exercise, eat right, don't smoke cigs, have regular manual exams, get my mammograms, never have taken fertility drugs, and don't plan to take supplementary hormones of any kind in another six or eight years when the hot flashes begin. I've also experienced pregnancy and lactation, which helps cut women's breast and ovarian cancer risks signficantly, too.

The thing that'll give it to me, if anything does, is either the increasing risk that comes with age or the amount of stress I'm under, but I try my best to manage the stress with exercise. Too bad having only medium-sized unaugmented breasts doesn't cut the risk because I'd have that covered, too, if it did! Even with all my efforts, I know cancer of some type could still nail me to the wall. That's why it's so hateful. It gets plenty of healthy, careful people, too. (And yes, Cananbis, even babies sometimes get particular types of cancers, too. In rare cases, they're even born with malignant tumors.)

Much love and peace to you, Daima, for having been through that experience. It's hard to watch a loved one go through that, isn't it?

You and me
sittin' in the back of
my memory
like a honey bee
buzzin' around a glass
of sweet Chabli
Radios on
windows rolled up
and my minds rolled down
headlights shining like silver moons
rolling on the ground
It;s going to be a long Monday
sittin all alone on a mountain by
a river that has no end
i'm stuck like the tick of a clock
thats come unwound
again
and again.:(

[birdgirl73]

Ooooh, that made me tear up! But even the tiniest little things have that effect on me right now.

Bless your heart. Bless all our hearts who've lost or are losing loved ones. It's the worst thing I've ever experienced. And in my particular case, I'd switch places in a heartbeat with my sister if it meant she could return to health and be like she used to be.

My heart goes out to you, Daima. When this journey ends here, I may have to come out to California simply so we can give each other a hug and cry together for a while.

[birdgirl73]

P.S. I hope you won't mind, but I've added Dao to my prettiest cat's name in your wife's honor. I love that name.

[daima]

Ooooh, that made me tear up! But even the tiniest little things have that effect on me right now.

Bless your heart. Bless all our hearts who've lost or are losing loved ones. It's the worst thing I've ever experienced. And in my particular case, I'd switch places in a heartbeat with my sister if it meant she could return to health and be like she used to be.

My heart goes out to you, Daima. When this journey ends here, I may have to come out to California simply so we can give each other a hug and cry together for a while.

I look forward to our meeting. If you can tolerate a long haired 50 year old pot smokin hippie full of tears, and very over-protective of those i care about, and those i havent even met.., then i'm your guy.:thumbsup:

dai*ma:stoned: sfca

[slowthestone]

If there was a vomit smilie...I'd so be using it in this thread.

[birdgirl73]

I look forward to our meeting. If you can tolerate a long haired 50 year old pot smokin hippie full of tears, and very over-protective of those i care about, and those i havent even met.., then i'm your guy.:thumbsup: dai*ma:stoned: sfca
I can tolerate you, believe me! If you can tolerate a slightly more establishment-looking 44-year-old tall teary-eyed woman, also fiercely over-protective of those she cares for, we'll be in good shape.

Let me ask you this, Daima, and I apologize if it's too personal. Do you find that the grief is getting better over time? Or is it just as bad now as it was in 1989 when she passed? I'm trying to prepare myself for what the next stage and the time afterwards will be like, strange as that may sound. My sister's starting to enter a period now where she's having enough pain that, in some ways, I think the end will be a relief. I know I'll be tremendously sad once it's over, but I'm can't believe it'll be as tremendously sad as it is now watching her endure this.

Peace and love, my friend. Peace and love.

[Ganjasaurusrex]

Just wondering. I've been smoking cigarettes daily for a little shorter than a year. Quitting is hard. But I have no excuses, when I'm seriously ready to quit I believe I will.


Hey sinisterK,

Cancer can strike at any age when it comes to smoking.

Until you quit I highly recommend increasing your ascorbic acid, (vitamin c) intake to protect the collagen of your lungs.

Smoking introduces high amounts of oxidized free radicals onto the surface of the lung lining. These need to be neutralized before they destroy healthy tissue in seeking that extra electron as an oxidized molecule is deficient of an electron.

There is actually no set amount of ascorbic acid to take. It is very safe and not toxic until doses of 500 grams/24 hrs are reached. I would be more worried about the mercury amalgam used in teeth fillings.........the most toxic substance on the planet.

2-5 grams/24 hrs. divided 4 times/day of ascorbic acid will keep blood ascorbic plasma levels constant as they are quickly depleted under illness, stress and smoking.

Just use your search box. (ascorbic acid smoking) you will get plenty of hits and info.

Ascorbic acid, (vitamin c) is in a group of one of the most powerful biological reducing agents known. Essential for many physiolgical functions of the body.
Not really a vitamin but a mild acid. it carries two spare electrons to donate to an oxidized free radical, which can prevent the oxidized molecule from stealing that from healthy tissue and starting the cancer process.

You cannot survive more than 200 days without it. That is a fact of scurvy and pre-scurvy or acute induced scurvy, or multiple disease states, such as weak arteries, infections, depression, etc. The list is long.

Use non-synthetic vitamin E, another anti-oxidant also with all tocopherols and tocotrienols, d-gamma tocopherol and d-beta and d-delta tocopherols
which make a complete vitamin E complex. There are a total of 8.

I probably dont have to tell you that there are over 400 other toxic chemicals in cigarettes used to process the tobacco, including ordinary table sugar which tobacco manufacturers added, because when burned is highly addictive. It makes for long term customers.


You can quit smoking, I know you can. After you quit, its a good idea to continue taking antioxidants.


Have a good one.

[daima]

I can tolerate you, believe me! If you can tolerate a slightly more establishment-looking 44-year-old tall teary-eyed woman, also fiercely over-protective of those she cares for, we'll be in good shape.

Let me ask you this, Daima, and I apologize if it's too personal. Do you find that the grief is getting better over time? Or is it just as bad now as it was in 1989 when she passed? I'm trying to prepare myself for what the next stage and the time afterwards will be like, strange as that may sound. My sister's starting to enter a period now where she's having enough pain that, in some ways, I think the end will be a relief. I know I'll be tremendously sad once it's over, but I'm can't believe it'll be as tremendously sad as it is now watching her endure this.

Peace and love, my friend. Peace and love.

We kept Dao pretty drugged up. She just stopped breathing one morning. I do believe that she welcomed her death. For me, some days are better than others. I have a cabin up in the mountains here in Northern California, and sometimes when i go up there by myself i get very very sad and lonely for her. I will be walking a trail and just scream out her name and start crying like a kid who was told the world just ran out of captain crunch cereal. To this day its hard to believe she is still gone. I have pretty much remained single since. I made my living in a music studio here in San Francisco as a studio musician/guitarist/fiddle player, and did some writing/co-writing.
I have a son and a daughter, along with a 3 grandkids. They started as early as i did. ohboy.
My son is currently in the Marines, and my daugter has went back to college down in Santa Clara California,@ Santa Clara University. I am pretty much a full time gramps.
I will keep your sister in my thoughts. I am not the prayer type at all, but i do consider the well being of others who face uncertainty in their lives.
Would you care to share her name with me?
If you ever feel like you need to vent, just consider myself available.
I found myself very very angry for the longest time, and still get quite pissed when i think about how Dao got cheated out of life, her kids, and her grand children.

Peace,
dai*ma

[birdgirl73]

Thanks for your insights, Daima, and your offer of a venting outlet. Both are helpful and very welcome.

My sister's name is Bess, short for Elizabeth, and while I'm not the prayer type at all, either, I appreciate the positive thoughts and energies others invest on her behalf. I appreciate prayers, too, from people with that inclination. I just probably won't ever be one of them.

I have the anger reaction to Bess' illness, too, and I'm sure that'll be part of the grief afterwards. She's only 50 and has so much more life to live. It's just so unfair. She was an elementary teacher, and she has always been very close to our son, who's 20 and in college now. I know she very much wants to see him graduate and start his life, have his own kids. But unless there's a miracle, that's not going to happen.

I'm not lucky enough to have grandkids yet, but I can't wait till I do. I wanted badly to have more than one baby, but it just wasn't in the cards for me. Actually, I can wait a little while on the grandkids. My son has a bit of a "playa" streak, and I currently live in fear that he'll get one of his young lady friends pregnant and ruin both their lives before they're ready for that burden. He went back to school last week, returning early and taking his car, so he can kick up his heels in his new apartment (with a roomate) before the semester starts late this month. He kept referring to the apartment as his "love grotto" all summer, which never failed to make me uneasy. I asked my husband, who went along last week to help him get set up in his grotto, to be relentless in encouraging condom use. Anyway, send prophylactic thoughts, too, Daima, for our overly hormonal, alive-and-well family member!

Nice talking with you, my friend. I'll look forward to more conversation in the future. Peace to you, Daima.