promalin (gibberellins) experiment

[u.g.u]

Allright I am doing a little experiment using promalin which is a type of growth regulater. This is the 1st time I have tried something like this and thought you guys would like to check it out I have a thread going on at advanced nutes forums also. Any ways what it is are gibberellins A4,A7 and N-(phenylmethyl)-1H-purine 6-amine. It is made for apple trees and cherries. It is suppose to double flowering sites and double cell division resulting hopefully huge nugs. Now this is going to be interesting because I already used phosphoload another growth regulater what I am hoping is I will get the fat buds with out the crazy strech like what has been reported before. Give you a little run down on the room it is 5 x 8 with 17 plants 2000 watts of light co2 at 1000 ppm and the nutes at 750 ppm the strain is trainwreck. I sprayed the right hand side of the room and the other half went untreated so we will have a side by side comparison. So stay tuned.

[u.g.u]

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[u.g.u]

I forgot to mention they are at 15 days into flower

[slowthestone]

$190 per quart!! ffs!

With a ratio of 7.5ml per 10L...or, .75 per 1L....sheesh...tell me where I can snag a 1/2 ounce size and I'll give it a whirl.

Me, I'm just a personal grower...if it doesn't effect potency...the price per quart is...unsubstantiated.

But...

Way to go ugu...in a growers world, nothing beats learning from those willing to try different applications and or methodology. I'll be keeping an eye on your results!

[slowthestone]

Found gibberllic A4+A7 in a powder form...said to need to be kept frozen as it isn't very stable. Soluable in alcohol at that.

Smallest amount available...5 grams...$68.50...a coke head would find that to be a steal...me...ehh...I'd try and split the purchase with a grow buddy.

[u.g.u]

Ya its supper pricey but what the hell if it works it could make me a few bucks, I thought phosophoload was pricey till I tried it. If I can break into the 3lbs a light then its all worth it.

[slowthestone]

Phosphoload makes me think...

Humboldt County's Own...Bush Master. I've read about it before, forgot to look into it. Theres plenty of enough people swearing by it for me to give it a whirl.

Wayyyyyyyyyyy more affordable too! So, I've just put in an order...and like yourself, I'll conduct a side-by-side test. lol...which typically dont last me very long as soon as I see a wanted result!

[u.g.u]

Ya I heard about the bush master and gravity I was thinking of trying that after my bottle of the other stuff was gone The price is a lot better I think $20 a bottle

[u.g.u]

So I am updating on the experiment so far so good I seam to be doing what is supose to I had to bump the nutes up a bit to keep up with em but were on track now. The 1 st pic is the untreated side the second is the treated side.

[u.g.u]

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[yabatab]

It is made for apple trees and cherries

I read something a long time ago that just came to me
when I saw this. I maybe mistaken (its very possible with
my mind nowa days) but I think it was something along the
lines of some chemical in apple trees and apples having
a chemical that is found in female cannabis plants.

[u.g.u]

Not to sure man never heard that. I like the Giger avater

[yabatab]

Not to sure man never heard that. I like the Giger avater

Thanks, Yeah it could have been something completely
different than what I think I remember ....LOL

Love Gigers art by the way. Got a few tats based on
his work.

[postmandave]

very intresting.from what i remember promain has to be given at a certian temp cant remember if its is 30c or there is a range that it must be administered .and if it is given at the wrong time it can have damaging affect to the plants. i think it is administered at lights on rather than mid or end of the plants day .it will be very intresting to see your results.be safe the postman

[iwantFUEGO]

looking at your second to last post... (the one with 2 pics)... i can really see the difference... the buds are much bigger...

i duuno, might just be me..

[u.g.u]

I have been gone for a few days and have not got to update anything I will take some pics tomorow.
iwantFUEGO. there is not much difference except the way the leaves look in the pick this is kinda a running experiment log so stay tuned. as of now there is quite a big difference almost night and day.

[slowthestone]

And for anyone waiting to see what the less costly Bush Master can do...it hasn't yet arrived in the mail!

[u.g.u]

so as promised some updated photos
1 left untreated right treated
2 treated
3 untreated
4 left untreated right treated
5 treated
I can see a huge difference not only in flowering sites but trich as well i would say it doubled both I will take some better pics latter I just bought a new camera today i just have to load all the software and I can do some real nice close up stuff any ways so far i would say this is a complete success.

[HARDDON]

Well you are definately seeing a difference.

I would wonder though:

Will the increased calyx's result in more trichomes or will the plant still produce it's set THC quantity?

Is the resulting growth translating into more green leaves and lush growth or are the flower pods making the buds bigger?

INteresting indeed....

Nice study...great layout.

[slowthestone]

http://www.seedman.com/mega.htm

http://www.seedman.com/mega1.htm


"What is the concentration in ppm (parts per million) of the product?

The spray bottle is a 10 ppm solution of Gibberellic Acid (GA). The concentrate is a 1600 ppm (.16%) solution of GA"

[slowthestone]

The FAQ is making my eyes bug out...

"How can I use MegaGro to accelerate the PROPAGATION OF SEEDS?


From previous experiments, we know that results can be mixed when using GA for seed germination. Generally speaking, there is a significant percentage increase in germination rates and post-germination growth rates in most of the tree species studied. It appears to be most effective on species which develop a hard seed coat.
The most prudent way to test the GA on your seeds would be to continue the cold stratification process using a 200 ppm solution of GA (20 capfuls of MegaGro concentrate in 32oz of water) on a small sample of your seeds. Allow the seeds to continue the stratification process until they germinate. If the species you are working with have a hard seed coat, scarification of the seed coat in conjunction with the GA treatment should boost your results. You may want to review “Seed Germination Theory and Practice” by Norman C. Deno. "

[u.g.u]

sorry guys it has been a while shit just keeps coming up 1st Arkansas then camping then vegas back to back. Any ways here is the update photos. There is a real difference in stem support the sprayed ones stems are twice as thick as the untreated. The untreadted is kinda falling over I spent 2 hours last night tying them all up. The buds on the unsprayed seem a little thicker than the sprayed but there is twice as many buds on the sprayed. so right now it is kinda of a toss up but I am sure with an extra week at the end they will fill out. On another note, Vegas was sick I went to the High Times Bikini cup all my buds I entered got pics taken with all the bikini girls and should make it in the mag in the next 2 months pretty sweet I never thought my weed would end up in High Times.
picture key
treated
untreated
left untreated right treated
treated
untreated
treated
untreated
treated

[u.g.u]

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[gorillafarmer]

Did u top plants?

[gorillafarmer]

Peace

[checkmark9]

i think wat you are doin in your house is very illegal so i think if u just steal that nute u wont feel bad.

sound good?

[u.g.u]

gorillafarmer
Yes I top and LST in combination till I have 15-30 tops on each plant.
checkmark9
I don't understand what you are saying but I am 100% legal medical grower and have been for a few years now thanks to prop 215.

[BluntedInBurlington]

i read in the breeders bible that gibberllic A4+A7 can cause mutations (hermes) in plants. Also that it's to elongate the plants' stem, i hope that it works in flowering though. It's a nice thought, hope it works for you. keep us updated.

[u.g.u]

All Treated

[u.g.u]

all untreated

[u.g.u]

1st is left untreated right treated
2nd middle untreated rest treated

[Delta9 UK]

Great Post - thank you u.g.u

[u.g.u]

Update
Well there was alot of extra flowering sites the buds filled in nice I got them chopped and drying right now I will post the final weight next friday the 15th. I don't think I will do the phosophload with the promalin again I might add I think they got some mixed signal and could of done better. Don't take me wrong they did great but I know I could of gotten more. Trainwreck is not a real heavy yielder most my boys( still kinda new 1 yr in) get about 1.25 lbs per 1000 I can get 1.75 so we will see on fri if there is a difference.

The second batch that was not treated with phosophoload is going right now I was so impressed with the promalin I decieded to do the whole room. Last Grow with this strain that I call orange I don't know the exact genetics because I picked it up from a dispencery and it was labled as hog but it was not like all the other hogs in the bunch. Any ways I did 103 grams a plant average on 20 plants is 4.59 lb off 2k. The 1 st set of pics is at 7 days the 2nd at 14. Oh I forgot to mention I had by mistake put 2 jeti(117 gram average) in the mix so 17 orange 2 jeti luckly they are almost identical on the feeding schedule. Also the jeti I have been growing for about 4 years I have never seen them look this good I have trichs on all of them at 12 days and the bud size is the equilivant of 3 weeks at 2.

[u.g.u]

at 14 days

[yabatab]

You can see a big difference in the pic a few post up. (the side by
side one) Looks nice

[u.g.u]

so the final weigh in goes as follows
untreated with 8 plants average yield was 3.45 oz a plant 27.6 oz total
treated with 9 plants average yield was 3.88 oz a plant 34.92
total yield was 62.52 oz off 2k is 3.9 lbs so the increase of 0.43 oz a plant for a total of 3.87 oz if I would of sprayed the whole batch it would of been a 7.74 oz increase considering that I only used about 0.75 cents in product I would say it was not to bad of a purchase

[u.g.u]

update here are the pics of day 22

[u.g.u]

day 39

[u.g.u]

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[stinkyattic]

some chemical in apple trees and apples having
a chemical that is found in female cannabis plants.


Ethylene, I believe.
It promotes ripening.

[stinkyattic]

UGU, fantastic grow, great experiment, you are my new grow hero!!!

[stinkyattic]

i think wat you are doin in your house is very illegal so i think if u just steal that nute u wont feel bad.

sound good?No, you just sound fucking stupid.

[postmandave]

exellent thread and grow . well done mate.be safe the postman.

[u.g.u]

thanks dave and stinky

[stinkyattic]

So UGU, do you think you will continue to use this stuff?
Overall, do you think it's a good product and worth the price/effort of application?
How do you feel about the potential for ingesting trace levels of gibberellins?

Just out of curiosity, is promalin another of the hormones found in apple trees? The name seems like it should be; malic acid being an apple thing?

[u.g.u]

Stinky
Yes I think I will use this stuff for a long time I already bought the bottle and have proved to myself that it increases yield quite a bit. Really the price does not bother me $200 whatever Ive spent more on dinner and drinks. As far as ingesting it I spray them at 15 days and this batch at 19 days also so there is at least 40 days for the stuff to disapate, shit I use avid too, so if you are going to worry about anything it would be that, but I use that in the begging of veg and the start of flower just as a precautionary thing. as far as the apple tree thing I am not sure its used for them they probally have natural gibberellins so I guess yes.

[u.g.u]

day 50

[u.g.u]

final wieght 5.06 lbs
orange 17 plants at 117 grams a plant = 1989 grams total or 71 oz the 2 jeti did 140 each for 280 or 10 oz so a total increase of 282 or 10 oz all together another nice run for only $0.75

[faithlessxxx]

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I have to post this warning though:

Functions of Gibberellins

Active gibberellins show many physiological effects, each depending on the type of gibberellin present as well as the species of plant. Some of the physiological processes stimulated by gibberellins are outlined below (Davies, 1995; Mauseth, 1991; Raven, 1992; Salisbury and Ross, 1992).

Stimulate stem elongation by stimulating cell division and elongation.

Stimulates bolting/flowering in response to long days.

Breaks seed dormancy in some plants which require stratification or light to induce germination.

Stimulates enzyme production (a-amylase) in germinating cereal grains for mobilization of seed reserves.

Induces maleness in dioecious flowers (sex expression).

Can cause parthenocarpic (seedless) fruit development.

Can delay senescence in leaves and citrus fruits.

http://www.plant-hormones.info/gibberellins.htm

Not to mention the biggest fear of all:

Inhibits bud formation

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gibberellins

[stinkyattic]

faithless, it's all about the dosage as I understand...
So just know what you're doing.

[blue_ox]

Thanks U.G.U for a well documented experiment, I'll have to try that my self on a small scale but will wait till I read ALOT more about it to do it
for anything but an experiment.


thanks again man

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[Toolfan33]

Nice grow man! Could you tell me at what rate do you mix it and do you spray when the lights are on or off?Do you spray with plain water to wash it off after? Also do you only spray them 2 times through out both veg and flower cycles? I'd spend $200 for it if it worked

[u.g.u]

blue_ox
appreciate it man
Toolfan33
I mix it a rate 2.8 ml ger gal of water. Spray them once your 1st time using it just to see how they react, some like it twice some dont kinda strain dependant. I sprayed them when the nugs are about as big as a dime so about 14 days then again 4 days later that is if you are spraying them twice. Only when the lights are off maybe an hour and a half before your lights are scheduled to come on.

[Toolfan33]

U.G.U thanks for all the helpful info.I will have to try that promalin someday and maybe my cheap a** can even split a bottle with a couple of my cheap friends,lol....Another thing..I read another post of yours about cloning with rapid rooters and I tried it and it worked great.I get faster ,bigger roots with the rr's in my aero cloner compared to just letting them hang in neopreen inserts.It really is a huge difference in root structure.Would you mind sharing what you use for the cloning solution? I use mild nutes and some superthrive and would like something more consistant.

I'm lucky to pull half of your harvest with my 2,1000w lights...great job man

[u.g.u]

all I use is clonex which is a mild nute solution and root tech cloning gel what you use should be fine just go with 150 ppm or so and I also foliar with a mild nute solution with 2 drops of h202 added daily to the bottle to kill any bacteria that would want to grow in the high humidity enviroment also hydro guard in the res

[greenWillie]

WOW, u.g.u you are the man. I have been looking everywhere for info on gebrellins and thier effects on cannabis and havent found shit untill I read your posts. I have experimented in my botany class with GA3 on bush beans and the results where great but I have been reluctent to try it on my baby girls.
I found some water soluable GA3, do you know if this will work as well as promalin ??