To my bro, Harddon

[9ski9]

In a hobby where you never stop learning, I just wanted to say thanks for taking the time to help with my grows...

These girls went through an 83 day flower and were killed 10 days ago, just as the trichs went mostly cloudy. I want this more head-high than couch-lock. After three days of hanging, they've begun a 30 day cure.

Dry weight is 493 grams, so they'll come in at just under a pound once I remove the rest of the stems.

The smell is absolutely unique, which I attribute to the Jack Daniels, ice tea, etc., formula. It's a little flowery, as opposed to the green/hay that's normal for uncured weed. I'm not sampling until they are finished curing.

So thank you and good luck wherever you are, HD!

Peace.

[s12fever]

fuckkkk, just under a pound, very nice...!
Did you add some Jack Daniels to the water or something?

[9ski9]

fuckkkk, just under a pound, very nice...!
Did you add some Jack Daniels to the water or something?

During flower, a mixture of a teaspoon of each of these in one gallon of bottled water (just the shells of the eggs, though, which you need to grind to a powder). Use it for three straight feedings.

[s12fever]

Ooooh awesome, thanks...i'll keep this in mind! :D

[9ski9]

I wasn't going to sample until curing was finished, but a few friends stopped by and one thing led to another...

And so I wanted to pass along the results of HD's elixir, which went like this:


"Mix the following in 2 gallons of warm water:
1 tbspn...lipton iced tea dry granules
1 tbspn...jack daniels whiskey
1 tbsn....palmolive dish detergent
1 tbspn...clear corn syrup
1 tbspn...dry plain gelatin powder
1 tbspn...plain non scented ammonia

stir the shit outta it. the gelatin tends to settle at bottom so keep stirring between plant waterings.

Feed them this in lieu of the normal schedule. Feed them this 3 times in a row, with each watering. Make a fresh batch each time.

Skip the cactus juice (or other flower nute) when using this feed formula.

Dont worry either about water pH when on this feed cycle.

I also add some white eggs shells I powder up in a grinder. Great calcium additive."

Because of my extended flowering time of about 12 weeks, I decided to use the mixture a second time (for another three-feeding period). So my girls got a heavy shot of this stuff. And is it SWEET! The bud smells a little clove-like and burns with a rich, sweet aroma. But it's the taste and mellow smoke that makes the real difference. One girl that was taking big hits off a joint normally hacks like crazy and even she commented that it was like a high-end water bong toke. I can't say if it increased the THC production because I fed all the girls the same mixture, but I can say that it makes for the smoothest bud I've ever smoked. I can also say that I'll never grow without using this mixture. Total fucking thumbs up.

[slowthestone]

bit of an FYI for anyone giving the 'everything under the sink' concoction a try...

From the the back of a bottle of Palmolive...

"Product Label: Harmful if swallowed or put in mouth. Skin and eye irritant. Keep out of reach of children. Avoid contact with mouth, eyes and skin. Keep this and all cleaning products out of reach of children. Contains chlorine bleach. Do not use for hand washing. Do not mix with ammonia or other cleaning products as irritating fumes may result. "

So keep your nose away from the stuff eh folks.

[slowthestone]

Palmolive Dishwash Liquid - Antibacterial
Sodium Dodecyl Benzene Sulphonate, Sodium Ethoxylated Fatty Alcohol Sulphate, Ethanol, Sodium Xylene Sulphonate, Cocodiethanolamide, Perfume, D&C Red No 33, D&C Yellow No 10, Water, Formalin, Ethylene Diamine Tetraacetic Acid Sodium Salt (EDTA), Triclosan. (discontinued Nov. 2003, may still be available in some stores)

Palmolive Dishwash Liquid - Fresh Green (Regular)
Sodium Dodecyl Benzene Sulphonate, Sodium Ethoxylated Fatty Alcohol Sulphate, Ethanol, Sodium Xylene Sulphonate, Cocodiethanolamide, Perfume, D&C Green No 8, Water, Formalin, Ethylene Diamine Tetraacetic Acid Sodium Salt (EDTA), FD&C Green No 3. BC: 600ml - 9454 1069 (added August 2003)

Palmolive Dishwash Liquid - Spring Sensation
Sodium Dodecyl Benzene Sulphonate, Sodium Ethoxylated Fatty Alcohol Sulphate, Ethanol, Triethanolamine, Cocodiethanolamide, Perfume, Water, Formalin, Ethylene Diamine Tetraacetic Acid Sodium Salt (EDTA), Colour. (added August 2003)

[spliffonshik]

looks soooo tasty :)

[9ski9]

bit of an FYI for anyone giving the 'everything under the sink' concoction a try...

From the the back of a bottle of Palmolive...

"Product Label: Harmful if swallowed or put in mouth. Skin and eye irritant. Keep out of reach of children. Avoid contact with mouth, eyes and skin. Keep this and all cleaning products out of reach of children. Contains chlorine bleach. Do not use for hand washing. Do not mix with ammonia or other cleaning products as irritating fumes may result. "

So keep your nose away from the stuff eh folks.

Are you fucking retarded? What fert do you eat? It's also fine to piss on your plants, but do you read the label on your dick to decide whether to drink it? Think I'll go spread some bat shit on toast and turn in for the night...

[HARDDON]

SKI...

Thank you so much man for the update. We kinda figured you had just dropped outta the race and smoked til you dropped.

How nice to hear from you and how nice to hear your end results.

You my friend are quite the grower now and I thank you again for the oppty to help out and thank you for your trust in my concoctions.

Fear not, there is nothing wrong or harmful in your final product as the palmolive soap is for the soil and bacterium environment and won't run thru the stem system of this plant.

And yes....the final smoke is indeed a sweet wonder....yes?

Congrats on a fine fine job and now dont go giving all your smoke away....hehehehe...this should last you for a few month, eh?

Thank you friend for the kind words and trust. You did well!

Hard

[slowthestone]

Are you fucking retarded? What fert do you eat? It's also fine to piss on your plants, but do you read the label on your dick to decide whether to drink it? Think I'll go spread some bat shit on toast and turn in for the night...

The label on my dick reads...'people that draw mistaken conclussions and mouth off about it are annoying.'

Dudeski...I didn't say for people to not use Hardon's brew...all I did was suggest people keep their noses from the stuff while mixing it up.

And since when do I pee on my plants? Not saying I wouldnt...but really yo...chill.

Or maybe some of the sodium dodecyl benzene sulphonate in the palmolive is making it difficult for you to make sound interpretations. Maybe you'd like to look into what all cigarette manufacturers grow into or spray on tobacco to get it smoother..either way...enjoy your toast ya farmer.

[9ski9]

Ha, thanks, HD...no worries.

This grow had me freaking a little because I had to keep making business trips, then the sale of this MB. I suppose anyone in the US would have liked to see it sold to someone in France or Venezuela...not to begrudge the new owner, just a hassle to always sign on with a proxy.

But it's cool if you are around and care to share some of your friend's grows...you know some inspiring tomato growers, for sure. Oh, and I'm starting a new tomato crop this fall with quality seeds and maybe keep a mom.

Awesome, though, when my friends---who usually have a hefty stash of their own---offer to trade an ounce 'cause they dig what you've created in your closet.

Thanks, again, HD...

Peace.

[slowthestone]

Hey...

Would it be a totally bad/waste of time thing to do to use this mix when going into the final week of a grow?

Molasis being one of the ingredients, is a thing that helps remove nitrates from the medium...so in theory, the mix would both juice up the plants with its effects, as well as help leach the medium that final week.

[BukDatAss]

Sh!ts sounds MAAAD GooooD, Hey Harddon well now that you know it improves flavor n smell does it do anything to the potency (-degrade-stay the same -or Bam):stoned:

[HARDDON]

The concoction does not call for moallases like many growers use. I personally believe that molasses contains too many impurities and could clog the root system's smaller feeler roots.

Corn Syrup is filtered molasses and doesn't offer that danger. Although, many old timers do indeed use molasses.

The corn syrup provides massive carbohydrates to the plant in ready to use fashion as the soil doesn't need to break it down into the basic sugar polymers. The plants love it.

Eggs shells provide high grade perfect calcium. This is needed plant wide in flower.

Ammonia provides perfect nitrogen for rapid uptake.

Gelatin provide basic proteins for stem strength.

Lipton tea acts as a pH reducer and stabilizer for the end product.

Jack Daniels provides the alcohol which I and many growers swear is the catalyst that sparks the increased THC which does indeed happen as a result of using this as directed.

As for the fear of sniffing the stuff, the amounts you use, teaspoons / tablespoons, arent enuff to fuck with the human nervous system when mixing.

The final week is not the time to use this concoction. It is best to be used in early -mid flower, say weeks 4 - 5. Right as the plant prepares to kick into THC production mode.

Feel free to do a side by side, as I have and this shit works.

It will make your crop the finest it can be genetically anyhow.

Of course there are peeps who do things differently so to each his own.

Good luck and congrats again 9ski........

[BukDatAss]

Yeah I wanna try this out atleast on 1 or 2 and compare:thumbsup:

[slowthestone]

ya ya harddon...

I looked (or attempted) into what was what with each ingredient...I'm no chemist...I simply gathered that anything high in fructose would do the trick. Honey for example.

The tea was a mystery...but no longer.

And the palmolive still has me baffled. Maybe it just makes the whole thing slippery so it goes down easier??? If its just for the surficant properties of the soap...I dunno...Johnson's baby shampoo would be my choice.

Again, I'm not knocking the stuff...I'm for sure going to give it a try...I'm just trying to figure what ingredient is doing what for sake of the likelihood of me having the same thing in a different product that I already have handy.

Such as coral calcium instead of egg shells. Or, because its so much sweeter...Southern Comfort instead of Black Jack. Or if the proof/% of the alcohol plays a role...Wild Turkey 101 is not only stronger...but wayyyy smoooother going down.

Hmmm...I wondering about top shelf rum now...its made from sugarcane ya know. Whiskeys and bourbons are mostly by-products of corn.

Either way...I'll be giving your blend a go for the experience...and maybe later alter the ingredients and have a bit of your brew's weed stashed away for comparision.

It's times like this that have me wanting to apprentice under a pro-grower/potanist...the learning curve would happen so much faster than it is as is. :o

[HARDDON]

Yea I know what you mean...

Just let us grow plants and learn without the bullshit laws.


As for the ingredients, I am sure you can interchange many ingredients...but these I know are the best I have used and are time tested and safe from top to bottom.

As for the corn syrup VS. honey.....don't be fooled. Refined corn syrup is far more pure and there aren't any minerals to clog the delicate flow tubes in the stems of the plants. This is the big danger with using sugars on plants.

Regular Coke would be better, for example, than honey.

Egg Shells vs. Calcium supplements... I would be careful on this one. Here you cross the line from natural to man made, even if its coral calcium. In all things there are balances and egg shells, while providing calcium as a first line mineral, also has many other beneficial factors in a balanced spectrum.

Singleling out individual minerals while ignoring nature's natural balances can do more harm than good...too much calcium and too little magnesium can be a very bad thing.

Egg shells are safe...thats what I know. A balanced spectrum of minerals as opposed to imbalanced spectrums.

The alcohol? Sure I know of people who swear by Gin...some by Jack, some by others. I have even used beer...plants love beer too btw....Use caution as alcohol can stunt the growth of plants. This is why it is used when it is...and not before...

As for the soap, I am a big fan of soap on plants but the Johnson's purity has its benefits only on the foilage of plants, not much else. Its a very weak soap for the particular benefits of soil that liquid palmolive offers.

The reason for a more aggressive soap is the density of soil of a plant container can get pretty high over time. Some soil molecules become actually resistant to water.

The aggressive nature of dishwashing liquid vs. gentle soap is far more efficient at getter the water to the roots where it is needed.

You want the aggressiveness of the liquid dishwashing soap. Otherwise, lighter soaps will cease their flow at about 2 - 4" deep and thats all.

Aggressive soaps force the surface tension of the water to be reduced and thats all that is needed to get these nutes to the micro places in the root system.

So yes, it acts as surfactant...but...it also keeps IRON in the soil from forming fungi...which can be critical in flowering stages. Its good if its got some strong anti-bacterial properties.

Finally, it heps the soil retain far more water on a molecular level. Your soil will actually hold more water with soap in it that without.

The rums I think are prolly a pretty good idea and maybe one day I would try that. But then again, I know what does work...however, I am far from being fearful of trying new things.

I just dont have the time i used to have to fuck around with everything under the kitchen sink.

Anyhow, feel free and have fun...yet be careful...I only know what I have tried and the concoction prepared and administered as prescribed produces a sweet, savory flavor and makes good weed great weed.

HAVE FUN KIDDIES.

[slowthestone]

ffs man...you rock for putting all that out...

thanks and thanks some more!

[Dutch Pimp]

If you need an expert on Wild Turkey 101...? ....I'm your man!

[MidnightToker54]

Very informative thread - I learn something new here every day :thumbsup:

btw, if I used this in the first few weeks of flowering, does that totally replace any other flowering nutes I would have used?

[HARDDON]

No and you dont do this early flower as you can stunt growth.

Since most of these plants stop their height growing at weeks 4 - 5, week 4 would be ideal.

Three feedings in a row...with every water....in place of your normal stuff...

Then, return to the normal stuff as regularly scheduled.

The idea is to hit it right before the plant really kicks in with the full blown resin production and THC production.

[likemclever]

Man Ski,

I don't know where you and HD are right now but I'm thinking of you both and miss you greatly ; )

[HARDDON]

HAHAHA...

likemclever....

First time here in almost 6 months and I find this thread. How the hell are you and those sweet beautiful melons of yours???? LOL....

I miss you too honey baby.....

What happened to all of us regulars? too many kiddies growing in mom's closet for me.

I miss 9ski too....

send me an email babydoll! Saw your pic on my HD jsut the other day and was thinking of you.

[email protected]

xoxoxoxo

[palerider7777]

can u use this in areo/dwc grows?? and as far as that guy saying the soap can be bad i do know the plants will uptake only what they need so it's not like the plant will up take all thats in the soap only what it can use am i right>??

[HARDDON]

The soap critic is long gone, and resumed under a new name.

There is nothing wrong with the soap.

As to your question re: your aero / dwc grows, I am sorry but I do not know the answer to it. I have not tried it on those grows. Wish I could help more, but I have never tried it and actually would shy away from it unless I had plants to experiement with.

My last grow netted 2 pounds last year and actually I am still sitting pretty good and won't need to grow for another 6 - 8 months.

Sorry I do not know the answers.

[PharmaCan]

can u use this in areo/dwc grows?? and as far as that guy saying the soap can be bad i do know the plants will uptake only what they need so it's not like the plant will up take all thats in the soap only what it can use am i right>??

I think what slowthestone was trying to point out is that the Palmolive contains bleach, and the recipe contains amonia. When you mix bleach and amonia, it creates toxic fumes - real toxic fumes that can kill you.

PC :smokin:

[palerider7777]

10/4

[palerider7777]

The soap critic is long gone, and resumed under a new name.

There is nothing wrong with the soap.

As to your question re: your aero / dwc grows, I am sorry but I do not know the answer to it. I have not tried it on those grows. Wish I could help more, but I have never tried it and actually would shy away from it unless I had plants to experiement with.

My last grow netted 2 pounds last year and actually I am still sitting pretty good and won't need to grow for another 6 - 8 months.

Sorry I do not know the answers.

what was the grow that netted 2 lbs?? how many plants what size lights etc..

[HARDDON]

I'll keep it simple...

I grew 6 plants, White Russian under 1,000W HPS and 500W MH in a 6X6 area.

(You want a 2-1 HPS : MH ratio)

Veg 60 days, flowered 56.

I use the homemade brew without any ill effects and the result is incredible...

Does it increase yeild? I have no idea.

Does it increase potency? Absolutely. This is the idea behind the odd concoction.

Do not knock it til you try it : )

Is there a danger with mixing ammonia and palmolive soaps?

Only if you are a fucking retard.

[palerider7777]

im guessing u topped or fimmed them??

[HARDDON]

No, I just stuck the seeds in dirt and gave them a perfect environment and let them thrive.

My main Kolas came in between 2.5 - 1 oz each.

It was a very nice experience. But, it is the quality of the final product that is most important to me.

I only smoke at night, and just 2 or 3 hits totally bake me, so I figure I save my lungs and don't smoke nearly as much as I used to because of the supreme quality.

I guess if you are gonna take the risk and grow, might as well grow something worth it.

It worked out nice...this time.

[palerider7777]

nice

[PaRaNoIa]

Does anyone know, if I can use Ammoniumhydroxid 25% for this fertilizer, without any hazards?