First CFL grow

[yabatab]

I was a bit skeptical of these lights when I first herd of
them, not anymore. This is a sativa plant I have been
experimenting with under these lights (bag seed). I
wanted to see how it went before investing in any
seeds/strains.

First pic is the day it went under 2 CFL's now 3
and around a week and a half of growth since then.
yeah its stretched I know. I took it out from under
a Hps that was putting out to much heat and stuck
it in a window till I got the CFL's.

Shitty web cam sorry for the pic quality.

[yabatab]

The leafs are not yellowed/burnt like they appear in
a few of those pics......again shitty web cam

[yabatab]

This is the other plant I have under the CFL lights.

dimensions of the grow box:Width= 20" Height=36"
Lighting: three 42 watt CFL's = 6,000 lumens
white for reflection
(not enough light for that amount of space?)
I think 2 plants for this was one to many I
believe the sativa is going to shadow the
indica and block light from getting to it.

Any suggestions from people that have used CFL's
before would be greatly appreciated.

[slowthestone]

That'd be why I want my plants on a big ass lazy susan being rotated by the guts of my oldest electric drill.

[yabatab]

Im just rotating the pots manually.LOL Once on my lunch brake and when
I get home from work.

Pics

[THE MEDIC]

hey yabatab , what make are your CFL's? mine are from globe and are rated at 42w 2750lumens@2700K even their 40w gives 2650lumens yours seem kind of low...

[yabatab]

hey yabatab , what make are your CFL's? mine are from globe and are rated at 42w 2750lumens@2700K even their 40w gives 2650lumens yours seem kind of low...

Lights of america/energy star-7 year bulb

It was the CFL with the highest lumen out
put I could find at Walmart.

I think im going to get a three pack of the
smaller CFL's for supplement lighting.

[Trivium]

My favourite thing is watching people select CFLs in a walmart. You can tell wich ones are there to grow dope and wich arent.:) Working in a walmart is better than you think, you meet so many local growers.

[yabatab]

My favourite thing is watching people select CFLs in a walmart. You can tell wich ones are there to grow dope and wich arent.:) Working in a walmart is better than you think, you meet so many local growers.

LOL.....I bought a bunch of other shit I didn't need when I got
those lights. Because when I saw what they looked like I was
thinking "damn this looks like a fucking grow light." So I bought
some candy and a Beatles Cd (maybe not the right choices
to make it not look like I was getting that light to grow weed)
and went to the check out girl that had tattoos.

[blizma]

Ye my coming up grow is going to be under CFL's...
My last grow was sort of successfull under CFL's...

Then again i have only done 1 grow :D

[yabatab]

Ye my coming up grow is going to be under CFL's...
My last grow was sort of successfull under CFL's...

Then again i have only done 1 grow :D

I actually like these more than I thought I would.
The watts they use and the heat put off by CFL's
are minimal and very manageable in smaller grow
spaces. Not to mention they fit into a standard
light fixture. For a first time grower or beginer
they are perfect, I have used Hps's and MH's
in the past and they can get a bit pricey, for
a begginer that could be a real downer. I still
miss my large grow room though. Im still a little
noided about setting up another large grow so
this CFL grow is perfect for me.

[Pothead4204life]

how far do u keep those cfl's from your cola?.......

.... cfl's work the BEST with LST...you can get those suckers so close to the undergrowth....

...you shouldn't need any more cool cfls than what you already have.....just flower around 10-12".....

....when u flower you will need to get more wattage of the warms cfls than you are running now...

...P.S. thanks for removing your old avatar....it was giving me nightmares!....:o

[yabatab]

how far do u keep those cfl's from your cola?.......

.... cfl's work the BEST with LST...you can get those suckers so close to the undergrowth....

...you shouldn't need any more cool cfls than what you already have.....just flower around 10-12".....

....when u flower you will need to get more wattage of the warms cfls than you are running now...

...P.S. thanks for removing your old avatar....it was giving me nightmares!....:o

Im keeping them close to an inch and a half to two inches from
the lights. I am going to start training the sativa this weekend
or the start of next week. I don't think the indica dominate strain
I have will need to be trained.


Here is a comparison pic of the sativa to the indica, putting these
two together wasn't the best idea but this is just a test run with
CFL's for me. I have to set the indica on an wooden block to raise
it to the level needed.

[yabatab]

Ok I just tied down the two main branches that have
grew up after topping this plant. I am going to let the
lower branches grow a bit then start flowering because
of space issues.

[yabatab]

...you shouldn't need any more cool cfls than what you already have.....just flower around 10-12".....


The indica dominate plant is at 9" and the sativa at 12"
after tieing the branches down. New growth every day
now.

They hit a growth spert I am running low on room but I
want the lower branches on the sativa to get a bit larger
before flowering. But since this is just pretty much a test
run maybe I should go a head and set the timer for 12/12.
And see what comes out.

[kush07]

Hello. I see you are going for the CFL grow route. A good choice seeing as you can get close to near identical results with CFL's as you could with HPS or MH. IF you can try to get some more lights cause the more lights you have on those little things the better they will get. I have had one plant take 7 CFL lights before so you can almost never have enough. Also, try to add a warm CFL in to the mix already. Don't add a lot of them just one maybe two. They help to fill out the spectrum that your CFL lights emit. When you start flowering you can either keep the ratio of warm to cool a equal 1:1 or a 1:2. Just don't keep all warm CFL lights cause it will produce large airy buds and the plants will seem stretched a little during flowering. Hope any of this helped.

Happy Toking :rasta:

[yabatab]

That was what i was thinking about is getting some
lower watt CFL's as supplement lights. this is my first
CFL the other grows I have done were with Hps's and
MH's in a much larger space. I don't plan on another
large indoor grow anytime soon, so these CFL lights
are perfect for the small grows of 1 to 2 plants I
plan on after this one.

I'll pick up a pack of the lower watt warms before
setting it on 12/12.
Thanks for the advice. :thumbsup:

[yabatab]

hey yabatab , what make are your CFL's? mine are from globe and are rated at 42w 2750lumens@2700K even their 40w gives 2650lumens yours seem kind of low...

You are correct I did some research on the bulbs I bought
and found out they do give off 2,700 lumens.

Here is a link to the lights I am using.
Any suggestions on this light from
anyone would be great. Anyone
used this light before? And what
results did you get?

http://www.energyfederation.org/consumer/default.php/cPath/25_44_786_572

[yabatab]

More shitty ass web cam pics.....LOL
I need to brake down and buy a digi
cam. Oh yeah 17 plants where stolen
from me this week the ones I had out-
side. It was a bad week my friends.

[yabatab]

More pics

Not to bad for only spending around $30 on this
grow so far I had everything but the lights before
hand. Hope they don't turn out to be two males.

[kush07]

Nice grow man. Hope everything keeps up and I am quite sorry to hear about the treachery that occured against you. I hope the remaining plants do well. Oh, and the second pic on your recent post, was it topped or LST?

Happy Toking :rasta:

[yabatab]

Nice grow man. Hope everything keeps up and I am quite sorry to hear about the treachery that occured against you. I hope the remaining plants do well. Oh, and the second pic on your recent post, was it topped or LST?

Happy Toking :rasta:


Yeah well those filthy swine only got away with a bunch of
leafs. All that hard work down the drain is a real heart braker
though. I still brake out in a sweat when I think about it.

That plant is topped and tied down the amount of space I have
I ended up having to train it also.

[kush07]

A good training method is to take the growing shoots and bend it to the side of the plant till it is just about pointing down. This will work faster than tradition 90 degree LST. What should happen is the branches just below the growing shoot will start acting like the top colas and the main cola will catch up and you should eventually end up with 3 top colas. Hope everything continues growing well.

Happy Toking :rasta:

[yabatab]

Thanks kush07 I really needed to start training earlier I know.
I am definitely going to have to train the next plants that I
grow in this box way earlier, right off the bat.

I had one grow into the lights last night and fry three leafs.
grrrrrrr. I raised the lights and when they cut off I gave
those leafs a good soaking hopefully they will make somewhat
of a recovery.

[kush07]

Sorry to hear bout those leafs. If they are severly damaged then just cut that leaf stem off at the base cause it isn't helping you at all. Another thing, not sure if you already know this but here it is, Wait to train your plants till at LEAST the fourth node has shown. Any earlier and it is just too much stress. Hope it keeps growing well.

Happy Toking :rasta:

[yabatab]

Yeah they where beyond help,cooked to a crisp haha.
I cut the burned ones off yesterday they were burned
so bad they crumbeled at touching them.

Yeah it was kinda of a late training effort on this grow.
I topped it early (to early actually) thinking it would grow
a bit shorter than it has.

[yabatab]

Some more low quality update pics.

The first 2 pics are of the plant that grew into the light and buned
a few leafs that have been clipped now.

The other 2 are of the bushy one.

So far all that has been used on these plants are 20-20-20
fish fertilizer and few other things here and there like crushed
egg shells soaked in warm water over night and a few
earth worms in the soil.

[yabatab]

Starting 12/12 today

[kush07]

Looking good. It seems that the little roast didn't leave a profound impact. A couple questions; 1) how tall are they when you put them into 12/12? 2) Do you plant to or do you have any warm CFL lights and if so how many compared to cool CFL lights? 3) Do you plan to do any triming to your plant or will you go au natural?

Happy Toking :rasta:

[yabatab]

Looking good. It seems that the little roast didn't leave a profound impact. A couple questions; 1) how tall are they when you put them into 12/12? 2) Do you plant to or do you have any warm CFL lights and if so how many compared to cool CFL lights? 3) Do you plan to do any triming to your plant or will you go au natural?

Happy Toking :rasta:

They are both a little over a foot tall.

I have not got any warms yet. How many watts of the warms
would you recommend compared to the three 42 watt=126 watts
that I have now? I might not even use any warms on this grow
because I have no idea where I would put them, the only thing
I could do is replace one of the 42 watts I have now with a warm.
After this grow im going to have to make some changes on the
cabinet they are in to increase space.

I don't plan on trimming anything off other than dead/dieng
foliage.
:stoned:

[kush07]

They are both a little over a foot tall.

I have not got any warms yet. How many watts of the warms
would you recommend compared to the three 42 watt=126 watts
that I have now? I might not even use any warms on this grow
because I have no idea where I would put them, the only thing
I could do is replace one of the 42 watts I have now with a warm.
After this grow im going to have to make some changes on the
cabinet they are in to increase space.

I don't plan on trimming anything off other than dead/dieng
foliage.
:stoned:

Go for a 1:1 warm/cool split. I guess that means you will need one more socket. I would suggest getting a warm or you won't see the full potential that CFLs can produce. If you can try your best to get at least the one warm CFL. The warm CFLs produce light in the red spectrum which is critical to good bud development. Try to get at least one.

Happy Toking :rasta:

[yabatab]

Go for a 1:1 warm/cool split. I guess that means you will need one more socket. I would suggest getting a warm or you won't see the full potential that CFLs can produce. If you can try your best to get at least the one warm CFL. The warm CFLs produce light in the red spectrum which is critical to good bud development. Try to get at least one.

Happy Toking :rasta:


Thanks kush07 I'll pick one up tomorrow I should
have gotten one today while I was out but I did
get a cheapO digi cam it takes some what of a
better pic than that web cam. I believe i can
make the room for another light.

pic took with digi cam I think its a little better
quality pic than the web cam.

[yabatab]

Pics, still waiting on sex to show

First pic is of the grow box, you can see the limited
space. The rest are side and top views of the two
plants.

[quantumgod]

on that energyfederation page, they have a 65wcfl in the 5500k range. wouldnt that be ideal for the warm cfl to use? it's only like 16.95. says it compares to 250w incandescent.

[soccergal]

You're giving me hope dude!

[yabatab]

You're giving me hope dude!

Well at least I have accomplished something.:D


on that energyfederation page, they have a 65wcfl in the 5500k range. wouldnt that be ideal for the warm cfl to use? it's only like 16.95. says it compares to 250w incandescent.

Thanks I looked that up. Wonder if they have those at wally world.

[yabatab]

Damn it they grew into the light once again I guess the only thing
to blame is my lazy ass. The cabinet had a raised bottom on it that
was almost a foot tall so I knocked that fucker out and it added
some much needed space. I can see very small calyxes appearing
but still cant tell if its going to be male or female organs on either,
neither one has calyxes connected to a stem so im hoping for the
best and expecting the worst....LOL

[yabatab]

Still waiting ont them to show pussy hairs or nut sacs ..LOL
Oh yeah I forgot the dreaded hairy nut sac. NOT NUTS
hairy or not hairy!:D

They got their last does of 20-20-20 a few days ago switching
food on next feeding.

[Racerx]

how long have they been into flowering yab? hard to tell with ur crappy pictures :D but that middle pic looks like its gonna be female. Id bet money 2 hairs are gonna pop out of there. I decided to throw a CFL onto my Afghani Kush since its right on the outside of my light. They really do work, its nuts.

[yabatab]

how long have they been into flowering yab? hard to tell with ur crappy pictures :D but that middle pic looks like its gonna be female. Id bet money 2 hairs are gonna pop out of there. I decided to throw a CFL onto my Afghani Kush since its right on the outside of my light. They really do work, its nuts.

They have been on 12/12 7 days now yeah my pics are crappy LOL.:D
The webcam takes grainy pics and the $20 digi cam takes orange
colored pics one of these days I'll brake down and buy a quality
cam.

Those CFL's surprised me, this is the first time I used them.

Id say this time next week I'll know for sure on the sex of both plants.

[yabatab]

are these pics any better?:D
same cam just in the sunlight

[orangeman]

That plant looks beautiful and healthy ^_^. Cant wait to see the buds it produces.

[kush07]

Hey Yab, sorry its been awhile since I saw your stuff but I must say it is looking good. Sorry to hear about the burn again, hope it didn't effect the plant to severly. A good way to see what sex your plants are is to get a 30x magnifying lens and look for the usual signs. If you don't know what to look for the internet has some pretty good magnified images of early preflowers. Quick question, what, if any, type of fertilizer will you be using during flowering and if so what is the N-P-K value? Another thing, add sugar to your water regime during flowering. It helps improve bud growth and development for larger yeilds.

Happy Toking :rasta:

[yabatab]

Hey Yab, sorry its been awhile since I saw your stuff but I must say it is looking good. Sorry to hear about the burn again, hope it didn't effect the plant to severly. A good way to see what sex your plants are is to get a 30x magnifying lens and look for the usual signs. If you don't know what to look for the internet has some pretty good magnified images of early preflowers. Quick question, what, if any, type of fertilizer will you be using during flowering and if so what is the N-P-K value? Another thing, add sugar to your water regime during flowering. It helps improve bud growth and development for larger yeilds.

Happy Toking :rasta:


Thanks kush, the burn kinda stressed that plant (not the one in the pic)
it went droopy on me after the top of one of the branches got toasted.
I hope it recovers but its not looking all that great it lost its luster and
bushiness the leafs are all sagging.

I had some kinda microscope a long time ago that was perfect for spotting
the sex organs on plants but lost it I'll have to get another one for future
grows. It was cool you could detach the microscope part.

Im switching to 15-30-15 and picking up some bone meal for flowering.
I usually add corn syrup to my flowering plants, would just pure
granulated sugar be better?

[yabatab]

That plant looks beautiful and healthy ^_^. Cant wait to see the buds it produces.

Thanks orange, that's the plant out of the two I have that I
really want to be female. Its been a stinky little plant the whole
veg. cycle.:D

[kush07]

I just use regular granulated sugar from Wal-Mart. As for bone meal, I have never put it in a water mix. It is usually put in with the soil. It isn't supposed to be added to your watering regime but is supposed to be a additive for your soil. As for the corn syrup, I have never used it but I could test it out one of these days and see if it makes any difference.

Happy Toking :rasta:

[yabatab]

I just use regular granulated sugar from Wal-Mart. As for bone meal, I have never put it in a water mix. It is usually put in with the soil. It isn't supposed to be added to your watering regime but is supposed to be a additive for your soil. As for the corn syrup, I have never used it but I could test it out one of these days and see if it makes any difference.

Happy Toking :rasta:

Cool I'll try the straight up sugar this go around. The bone meal yeah its
a soil amendment I put a small layer on the dirt and mix it into the top
layer of soil. I always use it on my outdoor plants (not this year though:( )
and they seem to love it. I been wanting to give rock phosphate a try
and see how it would work out compared to bone meal. If that one
plant don't croak on me I might use R.P. on it and bone meal on the
other and see if there is any difference. I think both have simuliar
guaranteed analyisises.

[kush07]

I was looking back over the thread and I am curious to know how much more head room you have left in you grow space. You could do a 90 degree LST now so you will have more cola growth. Actually, it might be better to wait until the plants have shown sex then LST them. That should help maximize your available space.

Happy Toking :rasta:

[yabatab]

I was looking back over the thread and I am curious to know how much more head room you have left in you grow space. You could do a 90 degree LST now so you will have more cola growth. Actually, it might be better to wait until the plants have shown sex then LST them. That should help maximize your available space.

Happy Toking :rasta:

Yeah, i am going to have to do something they have only about a
foot of space left to grow upwards. I will defiantly have to wait till
they sex because after tying them down they will be growing into
each other.

That one plant has started to come back around but lost a shit load
of leafs. It looks a bit naked now LOL here is a pic of it now you should
have seen it two days ago the whole plant drooped over and all the
leafs were hanging down like a weeping willow. I gave it some calcium
and epsom salt don't know if that helped but I knew it wouldnt hurt it.

Yep it looks a bit naked now.....LOL

[yabatab]

Oh yeah here it is after the light burn while it was still all drooped over.
I already had an epitaph ready for this plant but it was a fighter..LOL

[kush07]

Mmmm, looks like the plant took that burn pretty badly. To help it get out of its shock use some superthrive, sugar, or corn syrup (yes, it does work as good as sugar). Oh, you could call that plant Rocky cause it seems to be a fighter that isn't willing to just lay down and give up.

Happy Toking :rasta:

[kdspecial]

Hey Kush

Whats your Ratio of Sugar to water. Like one tablespoon per gallon?

As well just to double check Granulated sugar White PLane Jane Sugar correct?

THanks your help is greatly appreciated.

kd_sepcial

[yabatab]

LOL yeah kush07 the plant came back around and is doing fine
now. Lost alot of leafs but its back to growing :D

here are some update pics

[yabatab]

oh yeah forgot, one female and still not sure on the other. no
hairs yet but 90% sure it female also. The one that almost died
was the one that showed sex first and turned out female.

They are tied down and the branches are mixing in with
eachother so I hope the other is female cause it will be
a bitch taking that plant out now.

[kush07]

kdspecial-I usually start by slowly inducing the plants to sugar. Usually with the sugar solution I put one Tsp. starting in 20 oz. bottles and water the plants with that. When I put it into gallon solutions I usually double starting solution and go up from there. Usually I end up with about 6 tsp. per gallon. I have never had a problem with too much sugar either.

yab- I would watch that plant that burned and look for hermie tendencies cause that is a lot of stress for a plant to to through. Also, trim your lower brances cause the light is going to get caught in your top canopy and the lower branches will not recieve much light. You want your plants energy to be focused on the top branches cause that is where most of your light is going to be trapped.

Happy Toking :rasta:

[Pass That Shit]

I know this is a little late, but no one answered your lighting question. Those 42W bulbs @ Wal Mart are for flowering. They carry the ones for veg in lower watts @ my local Wal Mart. For veg stage, you should use the blue packs which have a color temp of 6500K. If it doesn't say 6500k, don't assume that they are. Not that you can't grow them with those, but I just wanted to clarify for future trips to Wal Mart :)

[yabatab]

I know this is a little late, but no one answered your lighting question. Those 42W bulbs @ Wal Mart are for flowering. They carry the ones for veg in lower watts @ my local Wal Mart. For veg stage, you should use the blue packs which have a color temp of 6500K. If it doesn't say 6500k, don't assume that they are. Not that you can't grow them with those, but I just wanted to clarify for future trips to Wal Mart :)

Thanks, I noticed they had an orange hue to them. The color temp
wasn't on the package and I didn't even think to look at the numbers
on the page I looked up on those lights. The light temp is 2,700 which
is definitely warm. Well they are in flowering now so they are just right
for this stage LOL.

If I use CFL's again I'll keep that in mind. And thanks again on clearing
that up on those lights for me :thumbsup:

[kush07]

Its good that you have a Warm CFL. Just how many do you have exactly? Another thing, I was just thinking that because you have such a confined space and the plants are growing into each other you could do a SOG experiment. Just trim all of you lower leaves cause they will recieve so little amount of light that they will actually be inhibiting the plant. Just leave your main top branches and the plant will devote most of its energy into those top branches and give you some pretty good sized top buds.

Happy Toking :rasta:

[yabatab]

Its good that you have a Warm CFL. Just how many do you have exactly? Another thing, I was just thinking that because you have such a confined space and the plants are growing into each other you could do a SOG experiment. Just trim all of you lower leaves cause they will recieve so little amount of light that they will actually be inhibiting the plant. Just leave your main top branches and the plant will devote most of its energy into those top branches and give you some pretty good sized top buds.

Happy Toking :rasta:

A head of you on that one Kush07 I noticed the lower branches and
leafs were not getting enough light and had pretty much stopped growing
so I did a little bit of trimming to the bottom layers of both plants.

Good news though both are female and multiple flowering sites are
showing. Now the fun begins:D

As for the lights it is still 3, 42 watt CFL's.

Thanks for all your advice so far kush:stoned:

[yabatab]

I cut back some of the larger fan leafs because they
were shading the new growth on the flowering sites.
I really don't like cutting anything but they were
hindering the light reaching the new growth.

The canopy is really starting to fill out. For a simple
grow like this I really didn't expect these results. Not
as good as other grows I have done but I am pleased
so far.
I have not put as much effort into this grow as past
grows and it shows me that any one who wants to
grow their own to smoke and enjoy the hobby of
growing that it is not hard to do.

[kush07]

The show is looking good yab. The fan leaves you cut off, where they blocking lower buds or upper buds? Also, how much stalk is bare on the bottom of your plants? All seems to be going well and I hope it continues.

Happy Toking :rasta:

[yabatab]

Thanks kush all is going good, yes the larger fan leafs were shading
a lot of the bud sites on the top of the plant on the bottom I cut
the smaller branches and leafs that were not getting any light about
4 inchs on the bottom.

here are some good pics of the grow I took a few days ago

[yabatab]

I am thinking seriously about setting up another larger
grow. The small two plant grow im doing now is great
but its like taking a girl to the prom and not getting laid.
I am going over some rough drafts of an operation I might
set up in the future. This will be set up so i can have a
constant cycle of plants going all the time. This maybe a
year or so in the making because unfortunately I might have
to serve some jail time in the near future.

Any ways here is a sketch I drew over a picture of the spot
I plan on setting it up. The air intake and out-takes are going
to be simple, the wall behind that goes to a laundry room I don't
use any more so i can connect the out takes to the old dryer vent
and let the intakes just sit in that room (2 intakes and 2 out-takes
all together I did not draw where the intake and out-take will go
on the mother and cloning rooms). I plan on getting some paneling
to use as doors to both sides so it will give the illusion of just being
a flat wall when the doors are closed and if i cannot find matching
panels I'll paint the room on the out side so it all matches with the
doors to the grow areas. Still undecided on lighting but most likely
will use MH and Hps for the veg and flowering rooms. The rooms
will be split in half horizontally as you can see in the sketch, giving
around 5x4 feet and 3 feet coming out for each of the 4 spaces.
I most likely wont need all that room for the cloning area so I could
raise the top of the mother room.

[yabatab]

Edit:4 intakes and 4 out takes

[postmandave]

plants are looking better now yabatab.and that willbe a nice set when you get it up and running.the postman.

[yabatab]

Thanks postman

Man I just pulled the one of the worst moves I ever have, christ all mighty
im slick. I was removing some dead leafs from one of my plants and
when I reached back to get this big ass yellow leaf my wrist watch got
hooked on one of the strings I had the other plant tied down with
when I pull my hand back not knowing that the string hand got hooked
I snapped one of my plant stems in two right near the base, my favorite
one too. RIP little plant....Looks like some immature bud and some brownies
now. I am thinking about scraping the other plant and starting from scratch
cause that was the only plant out of the two i really gave a shit about
the other one has weak ass genetics I can tell from the budding sites.
I might just still be pissed about killing my favorite plant out of the grow
too I might let the other plant go a head and mature not sure yet if
I am just going to start over from seeds from a seed bank since I know
what CFL's can do now or carry out the rest of the grow with this one
plant that's left. And I just smoked a oven cured bud off that plant and
damn that was going to be some sweet bud if it would have matured.

[doco]

oh man, that is f*cked up. I know you must be so pissed right now. Take an hour before you make a decision on the fate of the survivor....I still think it has a chance to be a good crop if given the opportunity. It could give you some serious buds if you spare her, while youre waiting for the other seeds to come?

I think it was this thread that got me thinking that CFL's may be viable light source instead of the HPS light I already have, so I ordered up a bunch of goodies that are in the mail to me now. I'd hate to know that the grow that inspired me met such a tragic end. :(

[kush07]

Man, sorry to hear about your misfortune yab. That is some bad karma there but I wouldn't give up on the other plant. Let it continue to grow. Any bowls you get from that plant are bowls you didn't have to pay for.

Also, what did you do to get jail time. Sorry to hear you might have to serve some though. If you do I pray that it goes well (as can be).

I looked over you grow set up and I have a few comments.

1) Make your flowering room the size of your veg room or just switch your veg and flower room cause you plants can double or even triple in size during flowering.

2) Make your mother plant room bigger cause a mother plant needs all the room she can get for the bush style she needs to be productive enough.

3) Cloning rooms can be small cause most clones only need to veg for a month and then can be set to flower. Of course that is good for a SOG set up and also for a perpetual harvest as well.

4) You will need at least 12'' of space between your top plants and all HID lights so be sure to compensate for that in your grow plans.

5) Squirel fans work good for intake and outake fans and are cheap as well. You may have to order those fans but some hardware superstores carry them as well.

6) In addition to intake and outake fans you will need circulation fans to move that fresh air around the plants.

7) You can continue to use the CFL lights as good side and supplemental lighting. Also, many top breeders and growers will suggest you use flouros almost exclusively for clones so if you have some extra flouros I suggest you do that.

Thats about all I can think of right now. Once again, I am sorry to hear about your misfortune but don't let it get you down. Shit like that happens to the best of us so keep on growing and let your green flag fly.

Happy Toking :rasta:

[postmandave]

sorry to here that yabatb damn life can be hard.the postman.

[yabatab]

I guess I will finish this remaining plant off as in let it mature to
harvest not finish it off as in kill it LOL.

doco: I am glad that this grow inspired you towards using CFLs. :D

Kush07: I have to serve jail time for a 4th offense D.U.I. I know
stupid hu. I got three about 8 years ago and screwed up and got
out driving all messed up on x_n_xs <(edited for content LOL) last
december and got my 4th. Which is a felony charge here, man drug
offenders and DUI cases get more time than childmolesters sometimes
shows how ass backwards the US legal system is.
The DA's office just got my tox screen back a few weeks ago so my
trail is in Dec. It has been reset 3 times because of the DA not having
the tox screen so I have been living in limbo for about a year on this
shit. If it would have been tried on the first court date I could have
done served my time and been out. But really I am just glad I didnt
hurt anyone and I really cant deffend my stupidity on the fact that
I did drive while I was fucked up. I cant even remeber being aressted
I remeber waking up and thinking fuck this has to be a nightmare I am
in jail and it was, I just didnt wake up haha. Well good ideas come to
you when you have that much time to think while in jail so I'll have a
hell of an idea for a grow room when I get out.

Postman: Life is a bitch sometimes I hear you, bad luck comes in waves so I
am just wondering whats next, the gods are angry at me LOL must be all
that shit I did i cant remeber it must have been some bad shit though.

[kush07]

Yeah man, I hear what you are saying. The U.S. legal system is all messed up. The Marc Emery case is a prime example of such a thing. Damn, I am sorry to hear you might have to serve jail time though. Life can be a bitch. Lol, just thought of how true your signature is, LOFL. :thumbsup:

Happy Toking :rasta:

[postmandave]

yebatab .sorry to hear of your troubles my freind We all do stupid thing in our lifes .hope its all over soon mate then you can continue to grow in peace. best of luck and dont think you are alone as they say been there done that.things do get better.be safe the postman.

[doco]

Hey Yab, for my 2nd DUI (many years ago) I was sentenced to 45 days (I deserved it but Im not going to go into that) and when I showed up to serve it, I sat in the holding cell about 4 hours and they called my name and let me go, time served! They said the jail was too crowded and just the fact that I showed up was good enough. That was like 15 years ago in Santa Clara , CA county but who knows, strange things can happen. The fact that the DA postponed the case so long could have some implications too...you have a right to a speedy trial (I think its 90 days in CA)and if your attorney has his shit together, there may be something to look at there, I dunno.

Anyway, glad you decided to let the girl turn into a lady. I'll hope for the best for the both of you.

[yabatab]

Thanks all

yeah my sig fits me kush07 LOL. postman thanks for the words man. doco
yeah we have an over crowding problem in our jails here too its crazy
most are drug cases and DUI offenders.

Well on to the plant that is left. It is in another home now. I set up a
small closet grow for a friend this weekend with the same 42 watt CFL
lights I was using but one extra so its under 4 cfls. It is his first grow
attempt so whats better than a plant in the middle of flowering to
get you into growing. I will be ordering some seeds and starting a new
grow soon as my time maybe limited the final stages on this grow may
have to go into another persons hands also but trust me I will be able
to sample the end product no matter where I am. As I didn't finish the
grow on this thread and don't really see the need to start a new one I
will post the new grow here too.

Thanks to all of you for your advice and kind words so far.

Keep up the good fight!

[MastaChronic]

yabatab, for the past sevral weeks ive been reading a loy ogf your posts and you seem like the kind of person that would help out a beginner (me), how many indicas could i grow in a 4'-3'-6'(length-width-heighth) grow cab? the strain i plan on using is big B as it has the highest yield and is short

[MastaChronic]

a lot of* sorry im a little drunk, btw im sorry to hear you might do time, that should be a crime, i just made a rhyme. so you gave away your other plant? i wish i had it, poor me

[yabatab]

MastaChronic you can give a plant between 1 and 10 square feet per
plant just depends on how big you plan on going you can have severel
small plants using LST and/or forced flowering. You have 6 feet hight
so you could have a couple of monsters or around 4 to 6 smalller plants.
Id do 3 good sized plants with that though.

[yabatab]

Yeah I gave that plant away, no big loss its just a plant. Plus it gives
me more time to start a strain I have always wanted to grow
Hawaiian Sativa x Cotton Candy I plan on putting an order in for
those in a week or so and get a couple of those going. Cotton
candy mama is the strain I want but the cross was all I could find.

Any one that knows where I can find the original Cotton candy
mama strain leave a link.

[MastaChronic]

thanks yabatab:), some cotton candy sounds yummy right about now

[yabatab]

Well, I just got back from my friends house I gave that remaining plant to.
And the retard had cut her down 3 days ago way before she had matured.
I told him if I gave that to him and finished it which wasn't much to do all
he had to do was give me like a 25% of what he got from it.....well I ended
up with 9 grams of immature bud and a pile of fucking leafs. I know he got
way more than that off it and the fact that he couldn't wait till she was
mature really pisses me off. But what can I say its my fault for not doing
it myself and I was right the genetics of this plant did suck.

well here it is .....this is what I got, he didn't even cure it right he cut
all the buds off the plant insted of cutting her at the base and then
cutting the branches so the the buds are dry already and taste god
awful. I told him id help him out but he wanted to do it his way. Oh well
I thought I had a co op partner but his impatience will not work with
what I am trying to do. I am not giving up on him though I am still
going to help him out on his next grow. Thats was a common first grow
error so I understand.

well this is what I got

[growmanbigbuds]

i had 5 of my first 6 plants turn male i still got one plant 1 mo left in flowering but i learned a lot first i was trimming wat to much i follwed the trons instuctions they say put 6 in one tron i only ended up with 3 i bought a used phototron 6 for 100 on craigs list and put the 3 smallest in itnow i have 2 trons 1 ,9 and 1,6 both have been highly modified the each have 2 105 cfls in them not 105 eqivalant ture 105 watt bulbs 370 eqivalant plus i added a servere fan to the top of each tron now the 9 has 680 watts in it and the 6 has 450 in it and i have a grow tent with 4 105 init and 1 85 watt one in it'i have 2 cases of cfl 105 made by lonestar 1 case 2700 k and one case is 5000k plus 3 85 watt cfls 2 r 3000k 1 is 6500 k i use them in varous configerations my ute bill is a bout 125 for my lights and fans and odor control i use a 6 inch vortec fan and carcool filtert 6 servere fans 1 4 bulb 4foot fixture with growluxs in it for my babes and clones i plan on 2 more tents 2x4x5 mabe 20 plants myself and my wife both have edabale cards so we get 12 plants each and im a caregiver for 2 freinds of mine im ramping up now my grow will always stay cfls and foresants the one thats left was the smallest oneand i look to harvast 3 too 4 oz from it i use vita grow system spagum moss an black gold soil 1/3 the cost of thoes desinger nuwts out there my nuwts and soil and meters and all was cheap ant my local nursury ricks i went to the grow stores out here and was going to spend over 100 just on nuwts i got my whole system from vitagro for less than 30 18-12-13 3 part system so you can adjust to ur needs i love miracalgrow moster control soil but its high too compared to 2cubic feet of moss and 3 1 cubic foot bags ofblack gold soil anf 1 5lb bag of perlit and i 2lb bag of bat gunno cost me lessthan 50 and i bought a bottle of liqud carbon too like any nuwts start at 1/3 strength and raise it slowly tell u get it right i will post some pic when i get a new battery door for my digatal cam my son lost ull be impressed my friends and the growers i met recently all where

[doeboy742]

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