No such thing as bisexual male.

[Bong30]

This not ment to diss any person. Please guys, if your gay just say it. NO HETEROSEXUAL MAN WANTS TO SUCK COCK. If you suck cock you are 100% gay and you might bone a chic every once and a while. Just come out of the closet and embrace your gayness.....

Women are totaly differant.....

NY times 7-5-05

July 5, 2005
Straight, Gay or Lying? Bisexuality Revisited
By BENEDICT CAREY
Some people are attracted to women; some are attracted to men. And some, if Sigmund Freud, Dr. Alfred Kinsey and millions of self-described bisexuals are to be believed, are drawn to both sexes.

But a new study casts doubt on whether true bisexuality exists, at least in men.

The study, by a team of psychologists in Chicago and Toronto, lends support to those who have long been skeptical that bisexuality is a distinct and stable sexual orientation.

People who claim bisexuality, according to these critics, are usually homosexual, but are ambivalent about their homosexuality or simply closeted. "You're either gay, straight or lying," as some gay men have put it.

In the new study, a team of psychologists directly measured genital arousal patterns in response to images of men and women. The psychologists found that men who identified themselves as bisexual were in fact exclusively aroused by either one sex or the other, usually by other men.

The study is the largest of several small reports suggesting that the estimated 1.7 percent of men who identify themselves as bisexual show physical attraction patterns that differ substantially from their professed desires.

"Research on sexual orientation has been based almost entirely on self-reports, and this is one of the few good studies using physiological measures," said Dr. Lisa Diamond, an associate professor of psychology and gender identity at the University of Utah, who was not involved in the study.

The discrepancy between what is happening in people's minds and what is going on in their bodies, she said, presents a puzzle "that the field now has to crack, and it raises this question about what we mean when we talk about desire."

"We have assumed that everyone means the same thing," she added, "but here we have evidence that that is not the case."

Several other researchers who have seen the study, scheduled to be published in the journal Psychological Science, said it would need to be repeated with larger numbers of bisexual men before clear conclusions could be drawn.

Bisexual desires are sometimes transient and they are still poorly understood. Men and women also appear to differ in the frequency of bisexual attractions. "The last thing you want," said Dr. Randall Sell, an assistant professor of clinical socio-medical sciences at Columbia University, "is for some therapists to see this study and start telling bisexual people that they're wrong, that they're really on their way to homosexuality."

He added, "We don't know nearly enough about sexual orientation and identity" to jump to these conclusions.

In the experiment, psychologists at Northwestern University and the Center for Addiction and Mental Health in Toronto used advertisements in gay and alternative newspapers to recruit 101 young adult men. Thirty-three of the men identified themselves as bisexual, 30 as straight and 38 as homosexual.

The researchers asked the men about their sexual desires and rated them on a scale from 0 to 6 on sexual orientation, with 0 to 1 indicating heterosexuality, and 5 to 6 indicating homosexuality. Bisexuality was measured by scores in the middle range.

Seated alone in a laboratory room, the men then watched a series of erotic movies, some involving only women, others involving only men.

Using a sensor to monitor sexual arousal, the researchers found what they expected: gay men showed arousal to images of men and little arousal to images of women, and heterosexual men showed arousal to women but not to men.

But the men in the study who described themselves as bisexual did not have patterns of arousal that were consistent with their stated attraction to men and to women. Instead, about three-quarters of the group had arousal patterns identical to those of gay men; the rest were indistinguishable from heterosexuals.

"Regardless of whether the men were gay, straight or bisexual, they showed about four times more arousal" to one sex or the other, said Gerulf Rieger, a graduate psychology student at Northwestern and the study's lead author.

Although about a third of the men in each group showed no significant arousal watching the movies, their lack of response did not change the overall findings, Mr. Rieger said.

Since at least the middle of the 19th century, behavioral scientists have noted bisexual attraction in men and women and debated its place in the development of sexual identity. Some experts, like Freud, concluded that humans are naturally bisexual. In his landmark sex surveys of the 1940's, Dr. Alfred Kinsey found many married, publicly heterosexual men who reported having had sex with other men.

"Males do not represent two discrete populations, heterosexual and homosexual," Dr. Kinsey wrote. "The world is not to be divided into sheep and goats."

By the 1990's, Newsweek had featured bisexuality on its cover, bisexuals had formed advocacy groups and television series like "Sex and the City" had begun exploring bisexual themes.

Yet researchers were unable to produce direct evidence of bisexual arousal patterns in men, said Dr. J. Michael Bailey, a professor of psychology at Northwestern and the new study's senior author.

A 1979 study of 30 men found that those who identified themselves as bisexuals were indistinguishable from homosexuals on measures of arousal. Studies of gay and bisexual men in the 1990's showed that the two groups reported similar numbers of male sexual partners and risky sexual encounters. And a 1994 survey by The Advocate, the gay-oriented newsmagazine, found that, before identifying themselves as gay, 40 percent of gay men had described themselves as bisexual.

"I'm not denying that bisexual behavior exists," said Dr. Bailey, "but I am saying that in men there's no hint that true bisexual arousal exists, and that for men arousal is orientation."

But other researchers - and some self-identified bisexuals - say that the technique used in the study to measure genital arousal is too crude to capture the richness - erotic sensations, affection, admiration - that constitutes sexual attraction.

Social and emotional attraction are very important elements in bisexual attraction, said Dr. Fritz Klein, a sex researcher and the author of "The Bisexual Option."

"To claim on the basis of this study that there's no such thing as male bisexuality is overstepping, it seems to me," said Dr. Gilbert Herdt, director of the National Sexuality Resource Center in San Francisco. "It may be that there is a lot less true male bisexuality than we think, but if that's true then why in the world are there so many movies, novels and TV shows that have this as a theme - is it collective fantasy, merely a projection? I don't think so."

John Campbell, 36, a Web designer in Orange County, Calif., who describes himself as bisexual, also said he was skeptical of the findings.

Mr. Campbell said he had been strongly attracted to both sexes since he was sexually aware, although all his long-term relationships had been with women. "In my case I have been accused of being heterosexual, but I also feel a need for sex with men," he said.

Mr. Campbell rated his erotic attraction to men and women as about 50-50, but his emotional attraction, he said, was 90 to 10 in favor of women. "With men I can get aroused, I just don't feel the fireworks like I do with women," he said.

About 1.5 percent of American women identify themselves bisexual. And bisexuality appears easier to demonstrate in the female sex. A study published last November by the same team of Canadian and American researchers, for example, found that most women who said they were bisexual showed arousal to men and to women.

Although only a small number of women identify themselves as bisexual, Dr. Bailey said, bisexual arousal may for them in fact be the norm.

Researchers have little sense yet of how these differences may affect behavior, or sexual identity. In the mid-1990's, Dr. Diamond recruited a group of 90 women at gay pride parades, academic conferences on gender issues and other venues. About half of the women called themselves lesbians, a third identified as bisexual and the rest claimed no sexual orientation. In follow-up interviews over the last 10 years, Dr. Diamond has found that most of these women have had relationships both with men and women.

"Most of them seem to lean one way or the other, but that doesn't preclude them from having a relationship with the nonpreferred sex," she said. "You may be mostly interested in women but, hey, the guy who delivers the pizza is really hot, and what are you going to do?"

"There's a whole lot of movement and flexibility," Dr. Diamond added. "The fact is, we have very little research in this area, and a lot to learn."

[cannabis campbell]

Your saying its not possible for a male to be attracted to males and both females?

Im sure it is (Not that i am), there must be some people here who are like Az for one.

[orangeman]

Meh, I think bisexuality is possible but I dont see why some one would want both sexes when one of those have exactly the same thing you have...ugh..

[Bong30]

CC
Az is a great guy, im not talking about about any one person.


Just think.....

I look at a guy that has a nice build, good hair, what ever, and im like he is a nice looking man. Thats IT..... NEVER do i stand there thinking what his package is like...blah blah.

Any real heterosexual male will not even think of a guy that way. And once you cross the line and perform a sexual act as a male.... NO turning back... your gay.

You might still hook up with women....that is what confuses you guys, and use the word "BI"sexual. Bi meaning 2. Not the case... you are gay and hooking up with bolth sexes...... do you see my point?

Im not here to judge im just kinda sick of all these young guys calling them selves BIsexual...

Just say you are gay and like girls too...........<<<<<<More accurate

[Bong30]

But the men in the study who described themselves as bisexual did not have patterns of arousal that were consistent with their stated attraction to men and to women. Instead, about three-quarters of the group had arousal patterns identical to those of gay men; the rest were indistinguishable from heterosexuals.

75% had patterns of arousal of gay men........

3 in 4 that called them selves bisexual... had arousal patterns of gay MEN

3 in 4 are just gay................the 1 will be gay soon.......;)

[2MC5]

sorry but there is no way in hell im reading all that lol

[tyrantowns]

Who cares?

[SuperTorch]

Seems Bong30 is trying to convince himself, but needs others to help him.


And once you cross the line and perform a sexual act as a male.... NO turning back... your gay

thats funny. :smokin:

[420purplehaze420]

You might still hook up with women....that is what confuses you guys, and use the word "BI"sexual. Bi meaning 2. Not the case... you are gay and hooking up with bolth sexes...... do you see my point?

Im not here to judge im just kinda sick of all these young guys calling them selves BIsexual...

Just say you are gay and like girls too...........<<<<<<More accurate
ha ha not to pick on Jake Martinez aka penguin hasnt even hooked up with a girl and claims to be bi...

trust me man...just hold out till you get a girl :thumbsup:

u wont go back

[go toke up]

ha ha not to pick on Jake Martinez aka penguin hasnt even hooked up with a girl and claims to be bi...

trust me man...just hold out till you get a girl :thumbsup:

u wont go back
hahaha... well ur right.

[Bong30]

Seems Bong30 is trying to convince himself, but needs others to help him.



thats funny. :smokin:
Im glad you think you are funny... I am very happy with my wife, and very set in my sexuality.

Like I said I am just calling out all the guys the seam to think they are BIsexual. Just say that you are gay, and like women too.<<<< easy

I didnt start this thread to be an asshole, just to make YOU think. It is kind of a FAD to be BIsexual, and Im calling it out.







Another thing...... please answer this for me.

Why do gay people feel they have to put those Rainbow stickers in there back window of there car? Remember I live near Boulder Colorado, and i see tons of those stickers?

Are they telling us.........with the rainbow sticker

Im Gay and Proud!

Im Gay and Im better than you!

IM gay and diff!

Im gay and I feel the need to tell you!

Im Gay and This is my Car!

What are they telling us? Seriuosly? what I dont get it????

Should I have a hetro and proud sticker..???? I dont get it?????

[hotlatinboy]

Seems Bong30 is trying to convince himself, but needs others to help him.



thats funny. :smokin:


yeah.. and know that i am so , but so much blezed i can understand it better:thumbsup: :rasta: :rasta:

[cannabis campbell]

Any real heterosexual male will not even think of a guy that way. And once you cross the line and perform a sexual act as a male.... NO turning back... your gay.

Im gonna have to argue with this even though im totally against gayness but still there are some boys who suck dick just to experience it what it is like (which i think is sick) but they are not gay.

[Bong30]

CC. If it is a sin......... and you ask for forgiveness........ you are forgiven!

I still think the person is Gay, but they are not a bad person. God will forgive you so would I.

BUt,

A real hetro would look at that Dick and be like UUHHH NEVER.


What about the stickers CC?

[hotlatinboy]

Im gonna have to argue with this even though im totally against gayness but still there are some boys who suck dick just to experience it what it is like (which i think is sick) but they are not gay.


are you talking about yourself?
tell us the true..we can feel it!!!:smokin:

[dopesmoker]

Bong of course no hetrosexual man is going to look at a guys package but if they do like that kind of thing and they like women then they are Bi-sexual meaning both sexes Hetro means one, bi means two. They are interested in Men and Women therefore two sexes. Two = Bi. Bi-Sexual.

[P.E.N.G.U.I.N.]

Isn't the lead singer of Tool bisexual? Just something I heard.
He may or may not be, don't know.

Well, I've experienced more with guys than girls (nothing with girls, unfortunately), so I guess so far I'm gay. I highly doubt I'll still be gay if and when I get with a girl :p That's your definition of gay. I say I'm bisexual because I'm aroused by both males and females.

[hotlatinboy]

i know that lance from ynsic is gay

[go toke up]

i know that lance from ynsic is gay
i bet they r all queers. lol

[FreedomMan]

i dont think there is either, i mean like if a guy has a good haircut or something im like cool dude, nice dew, but i dont get off to it, or something. i don't know though.

[JR77]

One thing I never understood is - Why is it such a turn off for 2 men to be having sex but it's soooo "hot" if two girls are together? Seinfeld said it best, "Mens bodies are utilitarian and a woman's body is a work of art!!!"

I always say as long as what you're doing doesn't hurt anyone else then it's really none of anyone elses business what 2 people do!!

[zeebo phillips]

i bet they r all queers. lol


Hey hey hey, I take offense to that. I went to an NSYNC concert in 2nd grade and I worshipped them up until 5th grade.

I miss how they used to be...:(

[cannabis campbell]

are you talking about yourself?
tell us the true..we can feel it!!!:smokin:

Maybe you can feel something else....

no im talking about your father :D

[insanity]

do you have a link to the actual study? This sounds like 100% pure bull shit, designed to reinforce the notion that it is ok for women to be bi, but men have to be polar. Psychologists have known for years that bisexuality can be a step towards accepting latent homosexuality or appear durring a transitory stage of life. However, no scientific research can actually determine what causes sexual orientation because it is generally assumed to be a number of factors.
This research had to have two fatal flaws. One, there is no way to get a random representive sample of bisexual males because there is no exsisting data that tells us who the bisexual community is. The second is that because orientation is hard to define scientifically, this study relies heavily on qualitaive data and can only suggestion correlation (not casuation)...

Prove me wrong... show me the data (not from a NYT article, because most of the "research" media reports is bad and generally done with bias). Show me an objective scientific study that is not flawed (and peer reviewed) that suggests bisexuality in males is fake.

[tadaa]

This not ment to diss any person. Please guys, if your gay just say it. NO HETEROSEXUAL MAN WANTS TO SUCK COCK. If you suck cock you are 100% gay and you might bone a chic every once and a while. Just come out of the closet and embrace your gayness.....

Women are totaly differant.....

NY times 7-5-05

July 5, 2005
Straight, Gay or Lying? Bisexuality Revisited
By BENEDICT CAREY
Some people are attracted to women; some are attracted to men. And some, if Sigmund Freud, Dr. Alfred Kinsey and millions of self-described bisexuals are to be believed, are drawn to both sexes.

But a new study casts doubt on whether true bisexuality exists, at least in men.

The study, by a team of psychologists in Chicago and Toronto, lends support to those who have long been skeptical that bisexuality is a distinct and stable sexual orientation.

People who claim bisexuality, according to these critics, are usually homosexual, but are ambivalent about their homosexuality or simply closeted. "You're either gay, straight or lying," as some gay men have put it.

In the new study, a team of psychologists directly measured genital arousal patterns in response to images of men and women. The psychologists found that men who identified themselves as bisexual were in fact exclusively aroused by either one sex or the other, usually by other men.

The study is the largest of several small reports suggesting that the estimated 1.7 percent of men who identify themselves as bisexual show physical attraction patterns that differ substantially from their professed desires.

"Research on sexual orientation has been based almost entirely on self-reports, and this is one of the few good studies using physiological measures," said Dr. Lisa Diamond, an associate professor of psychology and gender identity at the University of Utah, who was not involved in the study.

The discrepancy between what is happening in people's minds and what is going on in their bodies, she said, presents a puzzle "that the field now has to crack, and it raises this question about what we mean when we talk about desire."

"We have assumed that everyone means the same thing," she added, "but here we have evidence that that is not the case."

Several other researchers who have seen the study, scheduled to be published in the journal Psychological Science, said it would need to be repeated with larger numbers of bisexual men before clear conclusions could be drawn.

Bisexual desires are sometimes transient and they are still poorly understood. Men and women also appear to differ in the frequency of bisexual attractions. "The last thing you want," said Dr. Randall Sell, an assistant professor of clinical socio-medical sciences at Columbia University, "is for some therapists to see this study and start telling bisexual people that they're wrong, that they're really on their way to homosexuality."

He added, "We don't know nearly enough about sexual orientation and identity" to jump to these conclusions.

In the experiment, psychologists at Northwestern University and the Center for Addiction and Mental Health in Toronto used advertisements in gay and alternative newspapers to recruit 101 young adult men. Thirty-three of the men identified themselves as bisexual, 30 as straight and 38 as homosexual.

The researchers asked the men about their sexual desires and rated them on a scale from 0 to 6 on sexual orientation, with 0 to 1 indicating heterosexuality, and 5 to 6 indicating homosexuality. Bisexuality was measured by scores in the middle range.

Seated alone in a laboratory room, the men then watched a series of erotic movies, some involving only women, others involving only men.

Using a sensor to monitor sexual arousal, the researchers found what they expected: gay men showed arousal to images of men and little arousal to images of women, and heterosexual men showed arousal to women but not to men.

But the men in the study who described themselves as bisexual did not have patterns of arousal that were consistent with their stated attraction to men and to women. Instead, about three-quarters of the group had arousal patterns identical to those of gay men; the rest were indistinguishable from heterosexuals.

"Regardless of whether the men were gay, straight or bisexual, they showed about four times more arousal" to one sex or the other, said Gerulf Rieger, a graduate psychology student at Northwestern and the study's lead author.

Although about a third of the men in each group showed no significant arousal watching the movies, their lack of response did not change the overall findings, Mr. Rieger said.

Since at least the middle of the 19th century, behavioral scientists have noted bisexual attraction in men and women and debated its place in the development of sexual identity. Some experts, like Freud, concluded that humans are naturally bisexual. In his landmark sex surveys of the 1940's, Dr. Alfred Kinsey found many married, publicly heterosexual men who reported having had sex with other men.

"Males do not represent two discrete populations, heterosexual and homosexual," Dr. Kinsey wrote. "The world is not to be divided into sheep and goats."

By the 1990's, Newsweek had featured bisexuality on its cover, bisexuals had formed advocacy groups and television series like "Sex and the City" had begun exploring bisexual themes.

Yet researchers were unable to produce direct evidence of bisexual arousal patterns in men, said Dr. J. Michael Bailey, a professor of psychology at Northwestern and the new study's senior author.

A 1979 study of 30 men found that those who identified themselves as bisexuals were indistinguishable from homosexuals on measures of arousal. Studies of gay and bisexual men in the 1990's showed that the two groups reported similar numbers of male sexual partners and risky sexual encounters. And a 1994 survey by The Advocate, the gay-oriented newsmagazine, found that, before identifying themselves as gay, 40 percent of gay men had described themselves as bisexual.

"I'm not denying that bisexual behavior exists," said Dr. Bailey, "but I am saying that in men there's no hint that true bisexual arousal exists, and that for men arousal is orientation."

But other researchers - and some self-identified bisexuals - say that the technique used in the study to measure genital arousal is too crude to capture the richness - erotic sensations, affection, admiration - that constitutes sexual attraction.

Social and emotional attraction are very important elements in bisexual attraction, said Dr. Fritz Klein, a sex researcher and the author of "The Bisexual Option."

"To claim on the basis of this study that there's no such thing as male bisexuality is overstepping, it seems to me," said Dr. Gilbert Herdt, director of the National Sexuality Resource Center in San Francisco. "It may be that there is a lot less true male bisexuality than we think, but if that's true then why in the world are there so many movies, novels and TV shows that have this as a theme - is it collective fantasy, merely a projection? I don't think so."

John Campbell, 36, a Web designer in Orange County, Calif., who describes himself as bisexual, also said he was skeptical of the findings.

Mr. Campbell said he had been strongly attracted to both sexes since he was sexually aware, although all his long-term relationships had been with women. "In my case I have been accused of being heterosexual, but I also feel a need for sex with men," he said.

Mr. Campbell rated his erotic attraction to men and women as about 50-50, but his emotional attraction, he said, was 90 to 10 in favor of women. "With men I can get aroused, I just don't feel the fireworks like I do with women," he said.

About 1.5 percent of American women identify themselves bisexual. And bisexuality appears easier to demonstrate in the female sex. A study published last November by the same team of Canadian and American researchers, for example, found that most women who said they were bisexual showed arousal to men and to women.

Although only a small number of women identify themselves as bisexual, Dr. Bailey said, bisexual arousal may for them in fact be the norm.

Researchers have little sense yet of how these differences may affect behavior, or sexual identity. In the mid-1990's, Dr. Diamond recruited a group of 90 women at gay pride parades, academic conferences on gender issues and other venues. About half of the women called themselves lesbians, a third identified as bisexual and the rest claimed no sexual orientation. In follow-up interviews over the last 10 years, Dr. Diamond has found that most of these women have had relationships both with men and women.

"Most of them seem to lean one way or the other, but that doesn't preclude them from having a relationship with the nonpreferred sex," she said. "You may be mostly interested in women but, hey, the guy who delivers the pizza is really hot, and what are you going to do?"

"There's a whole lot of movement and flexibility," Dr. Diamond added. "The fact is, we have very little research in this area, and a lot to learn."

lol, a study done with no references and no description of how this "study" was conducted, sounds real professional to me. Care to post a peer reviewed study claiming the same thing-because there isn't one...Being gay means you perfer men OVER women.

[Bong30]

Dig up this thread.... for that....... LAME

[slowthestone]

Hahahahahaaa Bong...I've been screaming for 'straight and proud' stickers for several years. Homos though seem to feel I don't deserve it being as being hetero is the majority.

Funny!

Anyway...I can think of an astounding reason why a bisexual man would have a more pronounced physical reaction to sites of man on man action...

What man's eyes don't bug out of his skull when forbidden fruit is waved under his nose?

And that bit about 1.5% of women are bisexual....hafuknhahaaaa...what a crock-o-shit that is. I've been to way too many scenes and seen things women love about women for a measly 1.5% to be anywhere near accurate.

Who'd they ask...nuns ffs?

Bisexual intercourse is practically a coming of age event for women.

1.5%...as if!

Verdict...several scientists just wanted to wave their instrumentation around men's nut sacs and released a report chock full of missing pieces as an excuse to do it again!

[halo]

Im glad you think you are funny... I am very happy with my wife, and very set in my sexuality.

Like I said I am just calling out all the guys the seam to think they are BIsexual. Just say that you are gay, and like women too.<<<< easy

I didnt start this thread to be an asshole, just to make YOU think. It is kind of a FAD to be BIsexual, and Im calling it out.







Another thing...... please answer this for me.

Why do gay people feel they have to put those Rainbow stickers in there back window of there car? Remember I live near Boulder Colorado, and i see tons of those stickers?

Are they telling us.........with the rainbow sticker

Im Gay and Proud!

Im Gay and Im better than you!

IM gay and diff!

Im gay and I feel the need to tell you!

Im Gay and This is my Car!

What are they telling us? Seriuosly? what I dont get it????

Should I have a hetro and proud sticker..???? I dont get it?????


Im not sure if anyone posted this yet but they probably put those stickers on their cars for the same reasons christians put those little christian fish symbols on the back of their cars.

[Bong30]

Im not sure if anyone posted this yet but they probably put those stickers on their cars for the same reasons christians put those little christian fish symbols on the back of their cars.

I hate those fish......

[IanCurtisWishlist]

This not ment to diss any person. Please guys, if your gay just say it. NO HETEROSEXUAL MAN WANTS TO SUCK COCK. If you suck cock you are 100% gay and you might bone a chic every once and a while. Just come out of the closet and embrace your gayness.....

Women are totaly differant.....

NY times 7-5-05

July 5, 2005
Straight, Gay or Lying? Bisexuality Revisited
By BENEDICT CAREY
Some people are attracted to women; some are attracted to men. And some, if Sigmund Freud, Dr. Alfred Kinsey and millions of self-described bisexuals are to be believed, are drawn to both sexes.

But a new study casts doubt on whether true bisexuality exists, at least in men.

The study, by a team of psychologists in Chicago and Toronto, lends support to those who have long been skeptical that bisexuality is a distinct and stable sexual orientation.

People who claim bisexuality, according to these critics, are usually homosexual, but are ambivalent about their homosexuality or simply closeted. "You're either gay, straight or lying," as some gay men have put it.

In the new study, a team of psychologists directly measured genital arousal patterns in response to images of men and women. The psychologists found that men who identified themselves as bisexual were in fact exclusively aroused by either one sex or the other, usually by other men.

The study is the largest of several small reports suggesting that the estimated 1.7 percent of men who identify themselves as bisexual show physical attraction patterns that differ substantially from their professed desires.

"Research on sexual orientation has been based almost entirely on self-reports, and this is one of the few good studies using physiological measures," said Dr. Lisa Diamond, an associate professor of psychology and gender identity at the University of Utah, who was not involved in the study.

The discrepancy between what is happening in people's minds and what is going on in their bodies, she said, presents a puzzle "that the field now has to crack, and it raises this question about what we mean when we talk about desire."

"We have assumed that everyone means the same thing," she added, "but here we have evidence that that is not the case."

Several other researchers who have seen the study, scheduled to be published in the journal Psychological Science, said it would need to be repeated with larger numbers of bisexual men before clear conclusions could be drawn.

Bisexual desires are sometimes transient and they are still poorly understood. Men and women also appear to differ in the frequency of bisexual attractions. "The last thing you want," said Dr. Randall Sell, an assistant professor of clinical socio-medical sciences at Columbia University, "is for some therapists to see this study and start telling bisexual people that they're wrong, that they're really on their way to homosexuality."

He added, "We don't know nearly enough about sexual orientation and identity" to jump to these conclusions.

In the experiment, psychologists at Northwestern University and the Center for Addiction and Mental Health in Toronto used advertisements in gay and alternative newspapers to recruit 101 young adult men. Thirty-three of the men identified themselves as bisexual, 30 as straight and 38 as homosexual.

The researchers asked the men about their sexual desires and rated them on a scale from 0 to 6 on sexual orientation, with 0 to 1 indicating heterosexuality, and 5 to 6 indicating homosexuality. Bisexuality was measured by scores in the middle range.

Seated alone in a laboratory room, the men then watched a series of erotic movies, some involving only women, others involving only men.

Using a sensor to monitor sexual arousal, the researchers found what they expected: gay men showed arousal to images of men and little arousal to images of women, and heterosexual men showed arousal to women but not to men.

But the men in the study who described themselves as bisexual did not have patterns of arousal that were consistent with their stated attraction to men and to women. Instead, about three-quarters of the group had arousal patterns identical to those of gay men; the rest were indistinguishable from heterosexuals.

"Regardless of whether the men were gay, straight or bisexual, they showed about four times more arousal" to one sex or the other, said Gerulf Rieger, a graduate psychology student at Northwestern and the study's lead author.

Although about a third of the men in each group showed no significant arousal watching the movies, their lack of response did not change the overall findings, Mr. Rieger said.

Since at least the middle of the 19th century, behavioral scientists have noted bisexual attraction in men and women and debated its place in the development of sexual identity. Some experts, like Freud, concluded that humans are naturally bisexual. In his landmark sex surveys of the 1940's, Dr. Alfred Kinsey found many married, publicly heterosexual men who reported having had sex with other men.

"Males do not represent two discrete populations, heterosexual and homosexual," Dr. Kinsey wrote. "The world is not to be divided into sheep and goats."

By the 1990's, Newsweek had featured bisexuality on its cover, bisexuals had formed advocacy groups and television series like "Sex and the City" had begun exploring bisexual themes.

Yet researchers were unable to produce direct evidence of bisexual arousal patterns in men, said Dr. J. Michael Bailey, a professor of psychology at Northwestern and the new study's senior author.

A 1979 study of 30 men found that those who identified themselves as bisexuals were indistinguishable from homosexuals on measures of arousal. Studies of gay and bisexual men in the 1990's showed that the two groups reported similar numbers of male sexual partners and risky sexual encounters. And a 1994 survey by The Advocate, the gay-oriented newsmagazine, found that, before identifying themselves as gay, 40 percent of gay men had described themselves as bisexual.

"I'm not denying that bisexual behavior exists," said Dr. Bailey, "but I am saying that in men there's no hint that true bisexual arousal exists, and that for men arousal is orientation."

But other researchers - and some self-identified bisexuals - say that the technique used in the study to measure genital arousal is too crude to capture the richness - erotic sensations, affection, admiration - that constitutes sexual attraction.

Social and emotional attraction are very important elements in bisexual attraction, said Dr. Fritz Klein, a sex researcher and the author of "The Bisexual Option."

"To claim on the basis of this study that there's no such thing as male bisexuality is overstepping, it seems to me," said Dr. Gilbert Herdt, director of the National Sexuality Resource Center in San Francisco. "It may be that there is a lot less true male bisexuality than we think, but if that's true then why in the world are there so many movies, novels and TV shows that have this as a theme - is it collective fantasy, merely a projection? I don't think so."

John Campbell, 36, a Web designer in Orange County, Calif., who describes himself as bisexual, also said he was skeptical of the findings.

Mr. Campbell said he had been strongly attracted to both sexes since he was sexually aware, although all his long-term relationships had been with women. "In my case I have been accused of being heterosexual, but I also feel a need for sex with men," he said.

Mr. Campbell rated his erotic attraction to men and women as about 50-50, but his emotional attraction, he said, was 90 to 10 in favor of women. "With men I can get aroused, I just don't feel the fireworks like I do with women," he said.

About 1.5 percent of American women identify themselves bisexual. And bisexuality appears easier to demonstrate in the female sex. A study published last November by the same team of Canadian and American researchers, for example, found that most women who said they were bisexual showed arousal to men and to women.

Although only a small number of women identify themselves as bisexual, Dr. Bailey said, bisexual arousal may for them in fact be the norm.

Researchers have little sense yet of how these differences may affect behavior, or sexual identity. In the mid-1990's, Dr. Diamond recruited a group of 90 women at gay pride parades, academic conferences on gender issues and other venues. About half of the women called themselves lesbians, a third identified as bisexual and the rest claimed no sexual orientation. In follow-up interviews over the last 10 years, Dr. Diamond has found that most of these women have had relationships both with men and women.

"Most of them seem to lean one way or the other, but that doesn't preclude them from having a relationship with the nonpreferred sex," she said. "You may be mostly interested in women but, hey, the guy who delivers the pizza is really hot, and what are you going to do?"

"There's a whole lot of movement and flexibility," Dr. Diamond added. "The fact is, we have very little research in this area, and a lot to learn."


whatever. *scoff*.:mad:

[shoi]

I hate those fish......

i do too... and it made me laugh bong wen u said "im gay and this is my car" that one just was funny for some reason



but i dont see why there cant be such a thing as a bi male.... u cant disprove it scientificly as sexuality isnt somthing u can measure....

[cannabis campbell]

Bong30 i noticed this says Mr.Campbell in it a lot

i am not impressed :( :mad:

[shoi]

Bong30 i noticed this says Mr.Campbell in it a lot

i am not impressed :( :mad:

sure u are

[Inferius]

Sexuality is defined by which gender you prefer MOST.
Bisexual would be stating that you're aroused and lust after and enjoy each gender the exact same amount.
But becuase of societal implications, people can't be Hetero and occasionally enjoy another guy, becuase of the complications with communication.
So for those with a 50/50 rating on each gender, bisexual would be appropriate, but it is also a title used to communicate general comfortability with swinging either way. Without this title, Hetero or Gay is usually translated to a very black and white viewpoint on who you' like to bump uglies with, without any gray.
Maybe some day, when humanity has become so hedonistic that it completely sheds its natural evolutionary, societal traits, the word bisexual won't be needed anymore.

[mse op]

THIS WORLD IS CRAZY.....GO BACK TO YOUR CAVE.......AS IF THIS EVEN UP FOR TALKING ABOUT......GROW UP PEOPLE WE GOT BIGGER FISH TO FRY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[shoi]

THIS WORLD IS CRAZY.....GO BACK TO YOUR CAVE.......AS IF THIS EVEN UP FOR TALKING ABOUT......GROW UP PEOPLE WE GOT BIGGER FISH TO FRY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

its our god given rite to discuss bi sexuality damnit!!!!! and u will respec that right!!!! :stoned:

[napolitana869]

dont put your faith in one study. how many men were in this? was it across all ages, races, and cultures? you have your personal views and thats cool, but dont mix it up with real science. sexuality draws from both your physiology and psychological state at the time.

[WeedGremblin]

wait wait, has a male on here openly admitted that he sucked a dick and then claimed to be bi? If so show me where lol

It seems like most girls go through this "bi" stage and I just cant help but sit back and laugh. Ahhhh confused little boys and girls......

So your not gay if you suck a cock, you are bi? Are you bi or gay if you swallow....

hahahaha

Thank the dear lord for not letting homosexuals reproduce with each other.....