Way to Prove Christianity wrong

[Toothpick]

Ok I don't know if I'm onto something or if I need to quite the weed or what but this is what I came up with... If you can prove their is true pure happiness on earth then it proves heaven wrong...the bible states that heaven is perfect and that has happines that can't be reached on earth...so if anyone was to have a moment of pure happiness on earth then that would prove that their is pure happiness outside of heaven thus making a flaw in the bible...proving christianity wrong...wtf?

[graymatter]

I'm no fan of christianity... but what constitutes "happiness" in your opionion?

[Hempstone]

Ok I don't know if I'm onto something or if I need to quite the weed or what but this is what I came up with... If you can prove their is true pure happiness on earth then it proves heaven wrong...the bible states that heaven is perfect and that has happines that can't be reached on earth...so if anyone was to have a moment of pure happiness on earth then that would prove that their is pure happiness outside of heaven thus making a flaw in the bible...proving christianity wrong...wtf?

Actually, you are wrong. Jesus tells us "The Kingdom of Heaven is WITHIN YOU!" Contemplate that. We are to store up our treasures not on earth but in Heaven and where our treasure is there our heart is also. So if we store our treasures in Heaven and our heart resides there that is to say the Kingdom of Heaven is within us, we go there where the Most High God lives and reigns and Jesus sits at the right hand of God. We seek that Spiritual center. The more you know this, the more you know God, in THIS life, HERE on Earth. That is why we pray we are to pray that God's will be done on earth as it is in Heaven.

[Oneironaut]

Jesus also said that diseases were caused by demons that needed to be exorcised. Take his words with a grain of salt.

http://www.thebricktestament.com/the_teachings_of_jesus/index.html

[birdgirl73]

I am truly, purely happy looking at your avatar with a picture of a dog that looks like a mop. I have achieved earthly bliss. So I guess, according to your theory, that this means Christianity is wrong.

All I know is I love that mop dog. . . .

[paparose]

bible is not the original bible that was sent. Saints wrote it again with their own additions and with the rules that give them advantages
. Christianity is supposed to be a one and only God religion but it is not since Jesus Christ is accepted as God's son not as a messenger. If we accept Jesus as God's son then we make him a god too, so there are two gods in Christianity???
from my observations Christians evaluate Jesus more than God. Jesus comes first in your religion which is wrong cause God has to come first cause Jesus was just a messenger and a human with bones and flesh...

[Delta9 UK]

The word "faith" should tell you all you need to know ;)

[cannabis campbell]

Lol you must be stoned

Dont know what kind of theory this is but it sounds like someones baked!

[Oneironaut]

bible is not the original bible that was sent. Saints wrote it again with their own additions and with the rules that give them advantages
. Christianity is supposed to be a one and only God religion but it is not since Jesus Christ is accepted as God's son not as a messenger. If we accept Jesus as God's son then we make him a god too, so there are two gods in Christianity???
from my observations Christians evaluate Jesus more than God. Jesus comes first in your religion which is wrong cause God has to come first cause Jesus was just a messenger and a human with bones and flesh...
Actually, there are three gods in Christianity—Yahweh, Jesus and the Holy Ghost. But Christians say that although they are different, they are actually the same. Religion makes doublethink fun! Three equals one! Same equals different! Don't do that, John, Big Broth--I mean, God is watching everything you do!

[SpiritLevel]

... If you can prove their is true pure happiness on earth then it proves heaven wrong...the bible states that heaven is perfect and that has happines that can't be reached on earth...so if anyone was to have a moment of pure happiness on earth then that would prove that their is pure happiness outside of heaven thus making a flaw in the bible...proving christianity wrong...wtf?
The stimulation of brain cells in areas that are often dormant is so magnificent; love bud man!!.

You must really answer graymatter so we can get better dynamics of your opinion. Modern Christianity can be disproved to a great degree if one digs deep. But in digging one will find that Judaism, Islam and Hinduism share similar traits that disprove them also. The topic of validity within religion is not confined to any one member.


'...Jesus tells us "The Kingdom of Heaven is WITHIN YOU!" ...We are to store up our treasures not on Earth but in Heaven and where our treasure is there our heart is also. So if we store our treasures in Heaven and our heart resides there that is to say the Kingdom of Heaven is within us...'

I can adopt that view also. I wouldn't say you (toothpick) are wrong tho, cuz everything Hempstone said is an occurance on Earth in a Being of the Earth. You didn't exactly say that people exist and are experiencing Heaven on Earth to disprove the Bible, it was merely a theory that the bible could potentially be disproved if one really found Heaven on Earth.

Few people comprehends the Kingdom of Heaven being within them, therefore I raise the query 'who is going to reach that state of happiness/heavenliness without concious knowledge that it even exists or where to locate it?' That is probly why you reckon the bible says Heaven CANNOT be reached on Earth. The bible is just a weapon. If you believe Heaven CANNONT be reached when it can be reached then you are imprisoned by use of mis-information. [i got sooooo much to say as usual, but i will keep it short]

Hempstone confuses things by saying Heaven is within you and that we are to store up Treasures not on Earth but in Heaven. Well I exist on Earth at the moment, so my Treasures are OF the Earth but taken and placed in Heaven; my Heaven within.

If your treasures are only gold or platinum plated or flawed then that is your Heaven. Fake! So our Heaven must be filled with totally genuine fulfillments that we work had to achieve, else we provide for ourselve sour Treasures.

Too Tru Oneironaut!!

Does that make sense?

[SpiritLevel]

Why is it religions have a go-between?

People have to go through the ministers, priests, angels, christ, muhammed, churches etc before god can be reached because traditionally this was an effective means to control the population in the name of god. This also empowered such figures with the desire to be looked at as miniature gods to be worshipped. This is a simple method of disempowering others by invoking a dependency on the priesthood.

Know ye not that ye are the Temple of God? Your god is determined by them Treasures I guess.

I therefore wouldn't listen to a go-between if they are telling me god says I should do 'this and that' because their god within tells them stuff that probly isn't applicable to me; especially if god is fkin everywhere but i have to go mosque or church to make contact. But for the benefit of one mans conquest this mode of the individuals psyche being dependent on authoritive figures this works perfect.

[HeartCore]

Ok I don't know if I'm onto something or if I need to quite the weed or what but this is what I came up with... If you can prove their is true pure happiness on earth then it proves heaven wrong...the bible states that heaven is perfect and that has happines that can't be reached on earth...so if anyone was to have a moment of pure happiness on earth then that would prove that their is pure happiness outside of heaven thus making a flaw in the bible...proving christianity wrong...wtf?

Well Jesus was a myth, that has been proofed, at least, to me the evidence is sufficient for that. Ever read the Jesus mysteries? Interesting to read that some guy ressurected El Azarus from the dead 2000 years BEFORE Jesus saved Lazarus from the dead. And this is just one example, the entire story of Christ is stolen from other religions. The 'Jesus' story happened at least 15 times prior to him. Including the northern star, the three wise man, being killed, ressurrected after three days.

How much proof do you need?

If you really want a trip, go find 'The Sacred mushroom and the cross' from John Allegro, this books argues that Jesus was a mushroom. And the evidence presented, is really thought out although you can only really follow that story, if you have the same education and experience as the author ;)

[braddog10]

I am truly, purely happy looking at your avatar with a picture of a dog that looks like a mop. I have achieved earthly bliss. So I guess, according to your theory, that this means Christianity is wrong.

All I know is I love that mop dog. . . .

Hi, Birdgirl....good to see you.

[braddog10]

Well Jesus was a myth, that has been proofed, at least, to me the evidence is sufficient for that. Ever read the Jesus mysteries? Interesting to read that some guy ressurected El Azarus from the dead 2000 years BEFORE Jesus saved Lazarus from the dead. And this is just one example, the entire story of Christ is stolen from other religions. The 'Jesus' story happened at least 15 times prior to him. Including the northern star, the three wise man, being killed, ressurrected after three days.

How much proof do you need?

If you really want a trip, go find 'The Sacred mushroom and the cross' from John Allegro, this books argues that Jesus was a mushroom. And the evidence presented, is really thought out although you can only really follow that story, if you have the same education and experience as the author ;)


Dude your way off. There is duplication. On the most part of the book of Job, which happens to be the oldest book. and Is found in other cultures. Islam copied and twisted much of our Bible and inserted their our preferences, especially as it relates to Isaac and Ishmael, however, the prophets were recorded millenia before Islam was even around.

A myth?.....your offensive!!

[WeedGremblin]

Why the FUCK would anyone in their right mind want to go and prove christianity wrong?? It looks as if you people are either extremely cruel or are extremely bored, either way just fuck off.

Why would you want to rip someones faith right out from underneath them?? Christianity is about becoming closer to God and your fellow man, although it has been twisted and raped to where you can barely recognize it anymore. You wonder why the world is so fucked up..... People are making an effort to disprove someone elses beliefs..... It doesnt say anywhere you have to believe it, its a choice, its free will, why destory that??

Christianity is a place of refuge for those who choose to seek it(Sometimes this is the ONLY thing these people have, is refuge in Christ), who the FUCK are you to defy someone of this. I think its fucked up and you should just leave them be. That really makes me angry and I do not think that htis follows the rules of the spirituality forum. Your fucking with someones faith and sometimes thats all that people have these days, so if you read this and still dont care well then you can go fuck yourself you heartless POS

[Binzhoubum]

Why the FUCK would anyone in their right mind want to go and prove christianity wrong?? It looks as if you people are either extremely cruel or are extremely bored, either way just fuck off.

Why would you want to rip someones faith right out from underneath them?? Christianity is about becoming closer to God and your fellow man, although it has been twisted and raped to where you can barely recognize it anymore. You wonder why the world is so fucked up..... People are making an effort to disprove someone elses beliefs..... It doesnt say anywhere you have to believe it, its a choice, its free will, why destory that??

Christianity is a place of refuge for those who choose to seek it(Sometimes this is the ONLY thing these people have, is refuge in Christ), who the FUCK are you to defy someone of this. I think its fucked up and you should just leave them be. That really makes me angry and I do not think that htis follows the rules of the spirituality forum. Your fucking with someones faith and sometimes thats all that people have these days, so if you read this and still dont care well then you can go fuck yourself you heartless POS

Why the FUCK do you need to use the word fuck so fuckin' much? :smokin:

[WeedGremblin]

I apologize if the word fuck offends anyone but this really offended me and I am not even grounded in any specific religion

[WeedGremblin]

I guess I just dont get why you would want to do that. What drives you to disprove someone elses beliefs and way of life? The Bible is not meant to be taken so literal, take what you can from it and leave the rest. Its a guide to show you how to live a better life with your fellow man which in return you are living closer to God. You know whats happened in the past (crusades) is behind us, leave it there, this is now.

I just do not get why you would go out of your way to do that to someone....

I find it cruel and unusual, I would hope most of you would believe that if your doing something that isnt harming someone it shouldnt be considered wrong. Like your use of marijuana??? Yeah exactly, leave peoples faiths alone please....

[WeedGremblin]

Then voice your opinion in this thread so we can help make this a more productive spirituality forum....

http://boards.cannabis.com/showthread.php?t=75174

[Oneironaut]

Why disprove someone's "faith" if it is mistaken? Well, why bother to disprove their mistaken ideas about politics? Or philosophy? Or history? Or science? Or anything? Why attempt to analyze other people's ideas at all? Why don't we all just stick our fingers in our ears and shout LA LA LA LA LA LA LA every time somebody else voices their opinion about things so we won't try to critically scrutinize their opinions, and then everybody can get along! Why don't people realize that the solution to all arguments is to admit that both sides are equally valid as long as nobody discusses anybody else's opinions? Duh! :rolleyes: Who needs fruitful debate to figure out the truth anyways? Being outraged at every attempt to criticize your dogma just because they're criticizing your dogma is so much better.

[WeedGremblin]

I do not see how you can relate something as profound as religion to things like politics/philosophy/history/science.

Someones faith in religion is a whole different story all together. I can already tell you dont take anything about religion seriously so I doubt anything I can say will make much difference to you so I will make this short and sweet.....

Clearly it states to have respect in here, and I do not find that to be respectful, its plain and simple.....

You are an extremely intelligent person Oneironaut but I think you might be alittle over-critical about religion. Could you explain as to why you MUST disprove someones faith in religion?? What drives that? What is it?!?

[Polymirize]

You are an extremely intelligent person Oneironaut but I think you might be alittle over-critical about religion. Could you explain as to why you MUST disprove someones faith in religion?? What drives that? What is it?!?

WG, I've come across a couple of your posts so far and I've got to say, you seem like a remarkably lucid individual. Welcome and keep up the great posts.

Oneironaut is just our resident bitter skeptic who acts like he was raised catholic, became atheist, and now wants to share his pain with everyone.

We try to love him regardless...

;)

[WeedGremblin]

WG, I've come across a couple of your posts so far and I've got to say, you seem like a remarkably lucid individual. Welcome and keep up the great posts.

Oneironaut is just our resident bitter skeptic who acts like he was raised catholic, became atheist, and now wants to share his pain with everyone.

We try to love him regardless...

;)

Thanks Polymirize

Im not worried about Oneironaut, but I do have to say he has been typing for awhile, I think we better brace for impact.

[Shelbay]

Thanks Polymirize

Im not worried about Oneironaut, but I do have to say he has been typing for awhile, I think we better brace for impact.


LOL..thanks for the laugh..I am bracing..sure it will be a good one!

[Oneironaut]

I do not see how you can relate something as profound as religion to things like politics/philosophy/history/science.
Religion, like all those other fields of thought, is an attempt to figure out the truth about how the universe works. And like any field of thought, if it wants to get anywhere it needs to have people debating each other so the correct ideas win out over the false ones. However, religious dogma doesn't work that way. For some reason that I can't figure out, people seem to think that religion is somehow special, that religious opinions should not be challenged no matter how silly they are, and that everybody should be entitled to voice their opinion about religion but never receive a critical response about what they say.


Someones faith in religion is a whole different story all together. I can already tell you dont take anything about religion seriously so I doubt anything I can say will make much difference to you so I will make this short and sweet.....

Clearly it states to have respect in here, and I do not find that to be respectful, its plain and simple.....
I don't see the point in "respecting" faith. What's so great about faith? Faith is belief in that for which there is no evidence. It is, to me, plainly inferior to rationality and logic, and the scientific method of demanding evidence before you're convinced of something. I think it is silly how much our culture glorifies zealous fervor for ideas that haven't the slightest shred of objective evidence going for them.

You are an extremely intelligent person Oneironaut but I think you might be alittle over-critical about religion. Could you explain as to why you MUST disprove someones faith in religion?? What drives that? What is it?!?
I believe that every person should have the ability to do as they please so long as they do not infringe upon the life or liberty of another person, and that matters concerning human affairs should be decided upon democratically by the populace. Western monotheism directly contradicts those ideas (so does Hinduism to a large extent, but I'm much more lenient on Buddhism and Taoism, which are far less authoritarian).

The Bible, as I read it, is an extremely authoritarian book. Yahweh is, without a shadow of a doubt, the worst character in any book I have read. He is portrayed as a totalitarian dictator figure, who sets laws and demands that they be obeyed unquestioningly, just because he's the one who wrote the laws. His ego is so huge that he proclaims himself to be the greatest thing in the whole universe, and demands that everybody worship him as much as possible. He has a chosen race and orders them to pillage towns belonging to "inferior" peoples, then kill the men, expropriate their property, and take the virgins for themselves. Yahweh orders wives to submit unquestioningly to their husbands, and for people who work on the Sabbath to be stoned to death. He orders women who menstruate and men who ejaculate to burn animal sacrifices so that he can receive the "pleasant aroma". Yahweh condones slavery throughout the Bible, and even gives rules for how to properly sell slaves and how to mark your slaves. Even in the New Testament, slaves are told, "be subject to your masters with all fear; not only to the good and gentle, but also to the froward" (1 Peter 2:18). It's a good thing people don't really follow that verse anymore, or we'd still have slavery and the Jews would still be toiling away in Nazi labor camps. Christians actually continue to publish this pro-slavery, sexist, homophobic, racist, illogical crap and encourage their children to read it before they're at an age when they can critically and logically think through all the arguments for and against Biblical accuracy and the historical issues involved with its origins. It's like handing a 6 year old a copy of Quotations From Chairman Mao Zedong and pressuring him to become a faithful Maoist, then rejecting out of hand any criticism of what you're doing to the child! Children should be taught about all ideologies, religious, political and otherwise, and should be able to choose for themselves what they want to believe in. I think indoctrinating children into an ideology like that, and encouraging them to believe or be burned forever, before they have a chance to rationally examine all the evidence and arguments, is a form of child abuse.

Not that any Christian actually follows all the ridiculous crap in the Bible, but the heavy authoritarianism is still very much present in Christianity. When you bow down to a "higher power" and his "higher justice", proclaiming all his moral guidelines to be absolutes that cannot be questioned, you are basically giving up the idea that humans should be able to decide how they should live their lives on their own. When you say the Lord is your shepherd, you are saying that you are a sheep.

I see no reason to be respectful of child abuse, dictator worship and blatant sexism, which I find to be rampant problems among those infected with the Christianity virus.

[HeartCore]

Dude your way off. There is duplication. On the most part of the book of Job, which happens to be the oldest book. and Is found in other cultures. Islam copied and twisted much of our Bible and inserted their our preferences, especially as it relates to Isaac and Ishmael, however, the prophets were recorded millenia before Islam was even around.

A myth?.....your offensive!!

Where am I off? The story of Jesus happened at least 15 times in the 2000 years preceeding the man which really proofs, at least to me, its a myth.

Early christianity is basically a set of stolen pagan principles. In many instances, the entire story was shamelessly copied with only the name of the main actor changed to Jesus. This has nothing to do with the book of job at all. You would be right if the life of Jesus as presented in the new testament, would be in the book of Job, detailed. SInce it isnt there's not way these stories could have come from the book of job.

Please enlighen me and let me know where I am off ;)

[Shelbay]

You are more than off..you are wrong. Do you even know the history of the Bible? What about Malachi?

[WeedGremblin]

Religion -A set of beliefs, values, and practices based on the teachings of a spiritual leader.


Religion is so much more personal than any of those other topics. I'm not going to get sucked into a debate about contradictions in the Bible, I never said I was grounded in any religion. What religion is to me is hope/faith whatever you want to call it, itâ??s the same, that there is something infinitely good out there when we live in a world that promotes evil things. I try not to be so critical about it, I take what I can leave what I donâ??t agree with; itâ??s a win/win situation you know? When you boil it all down itâ??s about how to be a better person to one another and God, whatâ??s so wrong about that. You focus so much on what you donâ??t like about the Bible that you totally toss aside the good.

To me itâ??s like this, God is this almighty creator who creates beauty and life but destroys it, His son Jesus takes human form to live like a human. He seeâ??s how we are and has sympathy, compassion, love and understand towards us so he gives his life so that we do not perish.

Itâ??s about love, compassion, and understanding towards each other so we can better ourselves. To me that is all its about, itâ??s about something good. We live in a time of evil, we see it everyday. Its hope in something better, not everyone has the ability to make an impact on the evil in the world so they have faith. Just as good if you ask me.

Excuse me while I roast a fat one in honor of Oneironaut. I really do respect you alot man, and I am glad that we have someone with such intelect in a cannabis community, it gives hope. :thumbsup:

[Oneironaut]

Religion -A set of beliefs, values, and practices based on the teachings of a spiritual leader.


Religion is so much more personal than any of those other topics. I'm not going to get sucked into a debate about contradictions in the Bible, I never said I was grounded in any religion. What religion is to me is hope/faith whatever you want to call it, it’s the same, that there is something infinitely good out there when we live in a world that promotes evil things.
You don't see the contradiction there? An infinitely good being that controls a "world that promotes evil things"?

And I still maintain that faith is not a virtue. Skepticism is. Demanding evidence and not taking your beliefs on tradition, authority, wishful thinking or blind speculation is a much superior way of approaching the truth.

I try not to be so critical about it,
Why not?

I take what I can leave what I don’t agree with; it’s a win/win situation you know? When you boil it all down it’s about how to be a better person to one another and God, what’s so wrong about that.
Because God doesn't exist. Also, there is not one single shred of evidence that religious people act more morally than atheists. Most people who live by their own principles without religion are perfectly normal, morally upright individuals, and study after study finds they do not engage in obviously immoral behavior (murder, rape, arson, stealing, etc.) any more than religious people do.

I would say continuing to publish the Bible and the horrible abominations within, and distributing it to children, is potentially harmful to their morals, since if they do decide to take it literally and obey all of God's words to the prophets (as Jesus himself commands (http://www.thebricktestament.com/the_teachings_of_jesus/on_the_law_of_moses/mt05_17.html)) they can be sucked into a very dangerous ideology.

You focus so much on what you don’t like about the Bible that you totally toss aside the good.
You have the opposite problem: you focus entirely on the few pages of good stuff and toss aside the majority of the book!

I'm sorry, I can't just shop around and pick out which verses I agree with and which ones are crap. It's an all or nothing thing. Either the Bible is reliable, or it isn't. I mean, I can sift through Mein Kampf and probably find a few good quotes too, but that doesn't mean the book isn't an authoritarian racist piece of crap. I have found relatively few real good morals in the Bible. Even the good parts are pretty much common sense. Don't kill people cause that's bad for society, okay, duh, everybody knows that. And stealing is bad too, uh huh, what's the big deep revelation here? If I can figure out for myself what is moral and what isn't, why do I need to sift through sexism, rules for keeping slaves, detailed instructions for animal sacrifice, and boring stories about ancient Jewish lineages to find a few common sense ideas by a guy who said he was God and told people he could exorcise demons that cause disease.

If you ask me, there have been way better philosophers. Voltaire, Rousseau, Thoreau, Emerson, Ingersoll, Russell, heck even Sartre is way more profound than Jesus and his "be nice or burn forever" philosophy.

To me it’s like this, God is this almighty creator who creates beauty and life but destroys it,
Why? That's a horrible thing to do. If God fucked up the first time, why didn't he just fix things himself instead of fuckin killing everything and hoping it works better the next time?

His son Jesus takes human form to live like a human. He see’s how we are and has sympathy, compassion, love and understand towards us so he gives his life so that we do not perish.
But he didn't bother to say anything about all that slavery, or the sexism, or anything. Or provide sufficient evidence for his existence. Why did God need to kill his son to change the rules of the universe anyways? That doesn't make any sense.

It’s about love, compassion, and understanding towards each other so we can better ourselves. To me that is all its about, it’s about something good. We live in a time of evil, we see it everyday. Its hope in something better, not everyone has the ability to make an impact on the evil in the world so they have faith. Just as good if you ask me.
Umm...you do know that Jesus promoted the idea of hell, don't you? The idea that, if you commit a sin and don't ask for forgiveness, you will be tortured for all eternity? That's not very forgiving.

And I have to disagree. Faith is not "just as good". If you feel powerless to make an impact on the evil in the world, then try harder! Don't cop out by adopting an escapist ideology that everything will be fine and you'll live forever, that this life is merely a place to wipe your feet on the way to the eternal afterlife (what is 7 or 8 decades compared to an eternity?). Go out and do something! Be creative. Two hands at work accomplish more than a thousand clasped in prayer.

Excuse me while I roast a fat one in honor of Oneironaut. I really do respect you alot man, and I am glad that we have someone with such intelect in a cannabis community, it gives hope. :thumbsup:
(sparks bong)

[SpiritLevel]

What a man believes upon grossly insufficient evidence is an index into his desires -- desires of which he himself is often unconscious. If a man is offered a fact which goes against his instincts, he will scrutinize it closely, and unless the evidence is overwhelming, he will refuse to believe it. If, on the other hand, he is offered something which affords a reason for acting in accordance to his instincts, he will accept it even on the slightest evidence. The origin of myths is explained in this way.

All christians I know take it very very personal when one tries to debate their religion. Often times the only answer I get is 'It works for me' and 'Its complex'. If christianity isn't open to debate then it is unworthy of me following in it. I don't particularly like to be dictated to. One might have a question, questions like the thread starter posed that require answers for some reason or other. Asking a question as to whether or not something the world believes is actually true should really be answered with evidence that sheds enlightenment. Shouting down a man using all kind of amunition to defend a subject when a theory is raised and not providing any real answer, doesn't propel someone to start believing. I'm more inclined to rephrase the question and when the answer is again not given I'd ask what one is hiding. No body ain't providing nothin in the way of evidence besides how they react; where their reaction can be linked to the psychology of the group (christian/muslim/hindu/etc). It is a big subject... don't shoot the messenger

[Delta9 UK]

Great post Oneironaut, I for one am happy that my parents let me choose.

I'm not even baptised.

Guess I'm in trouble then ;)


Umm...you do know that Jesus promoted the idea of hell, don't you? The idea that, if you commit a sin and don't ask for forgiveness, you will be tortured for all eternity? That's not very forgiving.

Word

[beachguy in thongs]

the bible states that "heaven is perfect and that has happines that can't be reached on earth...so if anyone was to have a moment of pure happiness on earth then that would prove that their is pure happiness outside of heaven thus making a flaw in the bible"

Is this in the New Testament, Toothpick 1:1?

Everyone has contradicted themselves, making everyone a hypocrite.

[SpiritLevel]

Oneironaut post #31 I agree with everything u say here 100%.. U should have went on to say other stuff, I probly would have agreed with it also because of the perspectives and levels relative to the source of ur overstanding of the subject.

[FeastonThisSHITT]

Fucking oneironaut... took most of the juicy shit to say.

Anyway... I'll throw two pennies in.

The theologies of religious faith has proven to be the largest causer of all war on the planet. Not to mention the biggest catalyst for violent behavior and massacres throughout history.

The Middle east today is a perfect example of what I am talking about. We have people being killed by the hundreds daily, thousands weekly, all in the name of their version of God, and the way in which to live life according to him.

I know this is grossly overused, but it remains a valid point.

Is God powerful enough to destroy himself?


I personaly am agnostic because I don't have proof of a supernatural God, yet don't have evidence to disproove.

By the way... true Chritians do not agree that the point of faith is to help a happier life on Earth. They do not agree with "It doesn't matter whether it's wrong or right, if it makes you feel good."

[beachguy in thongs]

There's a difference between a devout Christian and a devout Christian on Pot.

[SpiritLevel]

the trilogy
the first geometric shape consisting of straight lines (straight line - the male principle)
religion, science and philosophy are linear subjects.
using them equally u get an equalateral triangle which can be place nicely in a circle (circle - female principle).
circles are an unbroken line with its begining at its end and vice versa.
take the circle, a representation of spiritual illumination, and realise then that everything is linked.

turn ur 2 dimensional triangle featuring religion, philosophy and science at its walls and add depth and height (3 dimensions) [sphere]

religion and science and philosophy don't fit the tru equation, but hopefully u can see how mathematics over anything else rules but not as we think

pyramids weren't built because the shape is nice (may have square base but still have triangle feature)

[braddog10]

bible is not the original bible that was sent. Saints wrote it again with their own additions and with the rules that give them advantages
. Christianity is supposed to be a one and only God religion but it is not since Jesus Christ is accepted as God's son not as a messenger. If we accept Jesus as God's son then we make him a god too, so there are two gods in Christianity???
from my observations Christians evaluate Jesus more than God. Jesus comes first in your religion which is wrong cause God has to come first cause Jesus was just a messenger and a human with bones and flesh...

paparose, the Spirit magnifies the Son, The Son magnifies the Father. The Father sent forth the Spirit. All three personalities, are one. Some may call Him schizophrenic, by our definition. But, He is the Head of us all, there can only be one. But there are three. None take glory for themselves, He is the only one that can safely receive it. Elohim is plural

Science, Uses words that only aid in the description of creation, to give us terms to help us comprehend and define some of the few things that are even known at this time. Later we will view this period as very simple. Remarkable.

Bummer, Too bad I saw this thread this late, Time on boards is short lately.
Wow, Some good stuff.

Heartcore, My offense is a play on words. If I was to say anything about any other, Budda, Mohamed, etc.. It would be socially offensive , point is Jesus ...well... I'll put it this way, as Christians we are to extend the right hand of fellowship (welcome, love, care). The world gives Jesus the Lt. Foot.....but it's cool socially??

I wish I had more time. I'm Chill'n more, Enjoying this alot.....Don't worry about Oneironaut, He's still just a little sore over his last Asswoop'n.

[braddog10]

I've got to cut that out, Oneironaut. I like ya more than that.

[braddog10]

Religion -A set of beliefs, values, and practices based on the teachings of a spiritual leader.


Religion is so much more personal than any of those other topics. I'm not going to get sucked into a debate about contradictions in the Bible, I never said I was grounded in any religion. What religion is to me is hope/faith whatever you want to call it, itâ??s the same, that there is something infinitely good out there when we live in a world that promotes evil things. I try not to be so critical about it, I take what I can leave what I donâ??t agree with; itâ??s a win/win situation you know? When you boil it all down itâ??s about how to be a better person to one another and God, whatâ??s so wrong about that. You focus so much on what you donâ??t like about the Bible that you totally toss aside the good.

To me itâ??s like this, God is this almighty creator who creates beauty and life but destroys it, His son Jesus takes human form to live like a human. He seeâ??s how we are and has sympathy, compassion, love and understand towards us so he gives his life so that we do not perish.

Itâ??s about love, compassion, and understanding towards each other so we can better ourselves. To me that is all its about, itâ??s about something good. We live in a time of evil, we see it everyday. Its hope in something better, not everyone has the ability to make an impact on the evil in the world so they have faith. Just as good if you ask me.

Excuse me while I roast a fat one in honor of Oneironaut. I really do respect you alot man, and I am glad that we have someone with such intelect in a cannabis community, it gives hope. :thumbsup:

You moron, How many names do you have, All of a sudden these brand new sign ons are sings the Praises of the almighty. Come on this is 2 + 2, I studied Calculus out of the book, went to class for tests. What adolesence.
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. Moron is being nice. Manipulative is too. Well, thats what Satanist learn. Lets see, think I'll pass on the fruit today.

[braddog10]

I'll stop dog'n people. It's not fun. I am not sure I should hang around. Oneironaut, I am concerned about you. Having the attitude I have is not going to foster a safe environment for either of us to talk openly. It should be apparent that Jake was on the money that Christians need forgiveness, My imperfections emphasize that his statement is right on.

Thanks Guys, I hope some of you take me up on the offer for some music on Hempstones thread. Kevin is outstanding. You will be very suprised.


Love to all,
Braddog

[BlueBear]

I love you so much right now. Haha, nah.

But seriously, I have never heard anyone put it so well before. Gah, your post makes me so angry, yet so happy that I myself am Christian and know exactly what you mean :D

I really don't give a crap if what I believe is wrong. The point is, it makes me happy, and it helps me to make the right choices in life. I'm only 18 and yet I have already accepted life for what it is, and am no longer scared of dying.

Believing in Christianity makes life so much more liveable.
Keep this view and your faith can't help but to grow in the right direction. In this crazy world you need an anchor to help keep you steady in the storms of life. Even Atheist have there unbelief as an anchor to help them to fight a possible fear of an all mighty God that might judge them for every thought and action ever made from the smallest to the biggest, from the most loving to the most hateful. And it also helps them to make since of the world as they have experienced it, and life experience makes up our belief systems up more than truth does IMO, and this is unfortunate at the same time.
Adieu

[BlueBear]

Where am I off? The story of Jesus happened at least 15 times in the 2000 years preceeding the man which really proofs, at least to me, its a myth.

Early christianity is basically a set of stolen pagan principles. In many instances, the entire story was shamelessly copied with only the name of the main actor changed to Jesus. This has nothing to do with the book of job at all. You would be right if the life of Jesus as presented in the new testament, would be in the book of Job, detailed. SInce it isnt there's not way these stories could have come from the book of job.

Please enlighen me and let me know where I am off ;)
Where are you off? Hmm it is apparent IMO that you make it a practice to read anti Christian literature in a significant amount, or you seem to focus on those arguments that would over throw the validity of Christianity and the bible. I guess that this is fairly normal once a person takes a dislike to Christianity, since typically people seem to be threatened by Christianity more than any other religion for many reasons, and some being quite valid considering that particular persons lifestyle, or radical forms of Christianity that do harm people and nations which should be seen as a significant threat.
Hmm, I guess that I will start frequenting this board a little more because it seems rather amusing.
Well, do you believe in Alexander the Great, Socrates, Buda or any other significant personage in history that are BC? Well, a widely spread fact amongst historians both secular and religious , Christian and other is that the existence of Jesus as a historical personage aside from his Powers, relation to God and so on is considered a historical fact. Reason, historians of the period in which Jesus lived who documented many things about that period in history aside from Jesus, who they only mentioned in insignificant portions of their larger notable historical works were able to document enough things about the existence of Jesus to well establish his life. This is known as extra biblical information.
When studying history don't be mislead by reading 2 or 3 books that try to take apart a premise, theory or fact on a subject that has impacted the world more than any other event and think that the author of that book has the all end facts on the topic. That would seem to be very non analytical for a person of your intellectual capacity who seems to attempt to grasp the most profound premises with the ut most regard to the logistical factors of a argument.
Adieu, out of time for now, but not out of thoughts

[420somewhere]

Let's rewind a few thousand years (more I know). There is not science like we knot it, there is not knowledge like we know it, everything was undiscovered. Religions (any and all) were designed to answer all of life's really hard questions and give people the answers they DESPERATELY needed. They had no way of figuring out these questions and this was the best guess they could come up with. People needed something to believe in. Religion was designed to regulate society. Live your life this way, or you're going to hell. Don't steal, lie, or cheat or you're going to hell.

The Bible is a history book. A damn good one and a good read but not much more than that. It tells very very vague stories about what may or may not have happened back then. Just like how humans evolved to be the dominant life form on earth, the Bible evolved to be the single most influential thing as to how most people live their lives. Why? Because a mythical figure snapped his figures, said let there be light, and there was Adam? Life began in a garden? PLEASE!!! By allowing yourselves to believe that this is where came from and this is how we got here you're insulting the human race and the capability of the human brain!! Logic, science, truth, facts. Concrete evidence. True or false. Reality. Do these words mean anything to anyone? The world has changed in the last 2000 years....wake up!!!!!

In another 2000 years we'll be CREATING humans out of raw materials we made in a lab...and God will be a brand of space age ice cream....and we'll still celebrate Christmas because we get presents not because of Jesus....

The purpose of life is to obtain self satisfaction, prosperity and passing on your legacy, not Heaven or Hell. The smartest people in the world will (and have) pass/ed religion by and discover things that are factual and have bearing in TODAY's world, NOT a prehistoric one...and religion will slowly fade away as another "apocalypse" passes or when the "day of reckoning" comes and passes without a ripple. Actually that is not true. Religion will be around as long as there are people that still believe in it. Racists still live in America because their parents before them believed in life that way and that is what was taught. As intelligence and the thirst for knowledge takes over as time goes on, however, the MYTHS will die!

I could ramble on for about 30 years on this topic but a lot of my fellow dope smoking members of CANN.COM have pretty much pwned!! (props to Oneironau)

And Spirit Level...you said this...
"... turn ur 2 dimensional triangle featuring religion, philosophy and science at its walls and add depth and height (3 dimensions) [sphere]

religion and science and philosophy don't fit the tru equation, but hopefully u can see how mathematics over anything else rules but not as we think..."

First off, you can't add height to a 2-dimensional object its already there ;) Lenght x Height? That's 2 dimensions... can't have 2 heights :thumbsup: And how would you turn it?

Second off, you said fit the true equation? What equation? You rambled for a few minutes talking half-heartedly kind-of sort of about imposing an equilateral triangle in a perfect circle and then making the the circle a sphere enclosing the triangle inside?

Third...you were talking smack on a different thread because a fellow dope smoker went to college for engineering. You scolded him for subjecting himself to academia and the governments twisted plot to mold us and what not and all we did was try and explain to you how mathematics was always true? In response we got some beefed up, thesaraus charged speech that really made no sense at all, even though it was a great attempt at using big words! Now you're defending mathematics on this thread? SO are you bipolar or did you see that we were right before and math really isn't so devilish?

PS: Jesus existed. And he was dark skinned. And he was probably schizophranic and no one knew it because they didn't know what it was then. Yeah, I know. God doesn't exist. Okay? Good!

[Hamlet]

Alchemy=primative chemistry
Astrology=primative Astronomy
Numerology=primative Mathematics
Religion=primative Government

I have no problem with any relgion that anyone wants to practice personally, except when that relgion demands that I'm going to get it rammed down my throat and I'm going to have to live by their imposed morals and rules.

Worship Elvis for all I care but don't be trying to teach our children mysticism instead of science, or getting laws passed that dictate how everyone else must live within the edicts of a particular relgious credo.

If Christians were actually practicing the 'red letter' parts, instead of the new Faldwellian NeoInquisition, there would never be a controversy or any debate.

Geez, turn off Pat Robertson, open the Book, read it for yourselves and leave everyone else alone.

A wiseman once said 'I have no problem with God. It's his fanclub that scares the shit out of me!'

[braddog10]

I'm no fan of christianity... but what constitutes "happiness" in your opionion?

If your happenings are not happening the way you want your happenings to happen, your unhappy. ...But If your happenings are happening the way you want your happenings to happen....your happy.
1st Brad Ch 2 vs 3 - 4.

[braddog10]

Actually, you are wrong. Jesus tells us "The Kingdom of Heaven is WITHIN YOU!" Contemplate that. We are to store up our treasures not on earth but in Heaven and where our treasure is there our heart is also. So if we store our treasures in Heaven and our heart resides there that is to say the Kingdom of Heaven is within us, we go there where the Most High God lives and reigns and Jesus sits at the right hand of God. We seek that Spiritual center. The more you know this, the more you know God, in THIS life, HERE on Earth. That is why we pray we are to pray that God's will be done on earth as it is in Heaven.

Interesting connections you made there Hemp, I like that. It brings every thing back to His residence internally. This aspect of the kingdom has fascinated me for some time now. If investments are made somewhere on our part, a treasure will accumulate. Considering the fact that our treasure will be where our investments have been made, makes it clear that our hearts will be there.

..."Where your treasure is there your heart will be also".

From this it is appropriate to conclude.....If our affections are off somewhere in our lives......re: our spouses, Kids, anything,.....all that is needed is to begin making investments again, and we can conclude that our heart will follow. For our investments will be there and the resultant treasure also.

These investments always come back with considerable interest. The returned rewards are worth ever penny. Not just for us but concider the other involved. This is so good and so simple.

Peace Hemp
His by the way.

[afghooey]

Beliefs are dangerous. Faith, on the other hand, is a whole 'nother ball of wax:


"Faith is a state of openness or trust. To have faith is to trust yourself to the water. When you swim you don't grab hold of the water, because if you do you will sink and drown. Instead you relax, and float. And the attitude of faith is the very opposite of clinging to belief, of holding on. In other words, a person who is fanatic in matters of religion, and clings to certain ideas about the nature of God and the universe, becomes a person who has no faith at all. Instead they are holding tight. But the attitude of faith is to let go, and become open to truth, whatever it might turn out to be." ~Alan Watts

[IanCurtisWishlist]

I hate christianity. That is a perversion of the truth if there ever was one. Jesus Christ himself said that the glory goes to the father. Why then does the apostle paul insist we worship him as a pagan sacrafice? Hmm, let's think about that for a minute... oh probably because Christianity replaced the Roman Empire's original paganism. Still, Christianity retains much of what is found in Mithraism and Paganism. The very notion of a God sacraficing his Divine Son for mine and your sins, is a direct reflection of Paganism. Also, Christianity contradicts what is found in the Torah (old testament ) , somewhere in leviticus where it is written that one should not offer his son as an offering for the lord. Why is that written? According to Jewish tradition, it is because the pagan tribes of the land would sacrafice their sons and daughters for their pagan gods, and Yahweh wanted no part of that in his religion.

Why do christians worship on Sunday, when the original sabbath was saturday? Answer: Because the pagan church used to worship on Sunday, before they all believed in Jesus Christ.

Also, the very notion of God as a 3 - part trinity ; when it is written "Sh'mah yisrael, adonai eloheinu adonai echad" --hebrew for "Hear, O israel! the lord your God, the lord is one" several times in the original Hebrew Tanach; this notion is entirely conflicting with the basic ideas of monotheism.

Interesting enough, the "holy spirit" is thought to be the angel Gabriel by Muslims.

It's very easy to prove christianity wrong, if you do your homework you will be surprised.

[braddog10]

Beliefs are dangerous. Faith, on the other hand, is a whole 'nother ball of wax:

I am not sure what you are trying to say.

I find Mr. Watts logic stange. The things that we can have faith in are those things that are easiest to hold on to. Using water as a metophor....I can hold onto faith in thick Ice to support my weight. If I chose to let go of that trueth and venture out on to the thin Ice....I will drown by faith..I have faith in the thick Ice....I think I'll hold to that.

I also have faith in God's grasp of me, not in my grasp of Him, by my own ability.
I find these very different. It would be interesting to see where Mr. Watts goes with this logic. I am not sure If I were to follow his metophor, that I would like where the river dumped me out.

[afghooey]

You can't always read too far into metaphors. They're not literal, after all. ;)

But the metaphor specifically was comparing beliefs to liquid water, not solid ice. And it works as such-- beliefs aren't tangible things, they're not as easily grasped in the same way that logic and reason are. Treating them as such, holding onto them like facts or trying to prove them in order to justify them, is like trying to grab hold of water for support.

Having ideas about god and the universe is one thing. Clinging obstinately to them and denying all other possibilities is another.

[braddog10]

I hate christianity. That is a perversion of the truth if there ever was one. Jesus Christ himself said that the glory goes to the father. Why then does the apostle paul insist we worship him as a pagan sacrafice? Hmm, let's think about that for a minute... oh probably because Christianity replaced the Roman Empire's original paganism. Still, Christianity retains much of what is found in Mithraism and Paganism. The very notion of a God sacraficing his Divine Son for mine and your sins, is a direct reflection of Paganism. Also, Christianity contradicts what is found in the Torah (old testament ) , somewhere in leviticus where it is written that one should not offer his son as an offering for the lord. Why is that written? According to Jewish tradition, it is because the pagan tribes of the land would sacrafice their sons and daughters for their pagan gods, and Yahweh wanted no part of that in his religion.

Why do christians worship on Sunday, when the original sabbath was saturday? Answer: Because the pagan church used to worship on Sunday, before they all believed in Jesus Christ.

Also, the very notion of God as a 3 - part trinity ; when it is written "Sh'mah yisrael, adonai eloheinu adonai echad" --hebrew for "Hear, O israel! the lord your God, the lord is one" several times in the original Hebrew Tanach; this notion is entirely conflicting with the basic ideas of monotheism.

Interesting enough, the "holy spirit" is thought to be the angel Gabriel by Muslims.

It's very easy to prove christianity wrong, if you do your homework you will be surprised.

Your conclusions are based on false premises. I can easily say that we are definitely operating out of different text books.

[420somewhere]

Those who believe in a God will defend their God and are not going to change their minds about whether or not they think it's true.

Those logical analytical scientific thinkers who know better and do not believe in a God or any of that mythical prehistoric crap will defend truth and are not going to change their minds about whether or not they're right or wrong.

So basically this thread is going to bash heads for a while until it dies off...BUCKLE UP EVERYONE! ;)

[braddog10]

You can't always read too far into metaphors. They're not literal, after all. ;)

But the metaphor specifically was comparing beliefs to liquid water, not solid ice. And it works as such-- beliefs aren't tangible things, they're not as easily grasped in the same way that logic and reason are. Treating them as such, holding onto them like facts or trying to prove them in order to justify them, is like trying to grab hold of water for support.

Having ideas about god and the universe is one thing. Clinging obstinately to them and denying all other possibilities is another.

Your making a very good point. I frame these subjective relationships in the context of the belief in God simply because I personally have a tangible reason to do so. In that context, I believe your metaphor holds very true. I can attempt to hold to my perception of things as It relates to my relationship with Him and struggle against His work in my life. Letting go and simply allow Him to do His work on my heart and mind brings peace of mind that He will lead me in my life, specifically those things that are unknown ahead which can cause alot of anxiety, He can work out. I can also Hold on to the faith that He will do it because I have seen Him do it evry year. This is substance to me that I can personally hold onto like the security of the thicker Ice that I would much rather stand on. We may differ, and we probably do, but thats cool.....Good food for thought.

It is truly remarkable how He works things together for the good for those that love Him inspite of how badly I can get in the way and screw things up.

Thanks afghooey

[braddog10]

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I hate christianity. That is a perversion of the truth if there ever was one. Jesus Christ himself said that the glory goes to the father. Why then does the apostle paul insist we worship him as a pagan sacrafice? Hmm, let's think about that for a minute... oh probably because Christianity replaced the Roman Empire's original paganism. Still, Christianity retains much of what is found in Mithraism and Paganism. The very notion of a God sacraficing his Divine Son for mine and your sins, is a direct reflection of Paganism. Also, Christianity contradicts what is found in the Torah (old testament ) , somewhere in leviticus where it is written that one should not offer his son as an offering for the lord. Why is that written? According to Jewish tradition, it is because the pagan tribes of the land would sacrafice their sons and daughters for their pagan gods, and Yahweh wanted no part of that in his religion.

Why do christians worship on Sunday, when the original sabbath was saturday? Answer: Because the pagan church used to worship on Sunday, before they all believed in Jesus Christ.

Also, the very notion of God as a 3 - part trinity ; when it is written "Sh'mah yisrael, adonai eloheinu adonai echad" --hebrew for "Hear, O israel! the lord your God, the lord is one" several times in the original Hebrew Tanach; this notion is entirely conflicting with the basic ideas of monotheism.

Interesting enough, the "holy spirit" is thought to be the angel Gabriel by Muslims.

It's very easy to prove christianity wrong, if you do your homework you will be surprised.


Iancurtiswishlist, I understand you difficulties, I think to a degree. I am not sure which passage from Paul you are referring to. I donâ??t think that matters though.. I donâ??t understand at all how you can deduce that Paul was promoting Paganism. Paul was a pharisee, who sat at the feet of Gamaliel. He was a Jew of Jews. He was very zealous for Judaism..... Paganism?

You are disregarding the father of Faith....Abraham. What was Gods request of Abraham on Mt. Mariah? This is in the Torah as you know. You Ignored this.

Sunday, is used by Christians I understand, because it is the beginning of the new week, A new beginning. The Sabbath principle is honored. Which is at the core of what God wants anyway.

How about the â??Typeâ?� established of the sacrifices that started from the beginning, with the animals killed for there skins, of which God used to cover both Adam and Eve, again a Type established of God covering us ...blood being shed was also a result. I do not understand how someone can quote scripture in Hebrew and not know these things. Clearly the picture of Christ's Crucifixion was laid out through the whole of the Bible......Ok lets say through he entirety of the Torah.

You can be convinced in your mind concerning anything that you chose to believe.
Your own logic .... use or misuse of facts is irrelevant to me......To say that you can easily disprove it is foolish.
A little bit of pride ....with some arrogance mixed in??

Isaiah 53 alone........ reveiles your claims to be false.

Isaiah lived during the late eighth and early seventh centuries B.C. .http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Book_of_Isaiah

We must accept, this very involved and spoken of provision of God or be absolutly lost. He made the rules here. He chose to do things this way Bitching about it doesn't change a thing ....he has established himself through history....It is His..story.

Isaiah 53
The Suffering Servant

1Who has believed our message?
And to whom has the arm of the LORD been revealed?
2For He grew up before Him like a tender shoot,
And like a root out of parched ground;
He has no stately form or majesty
That we should look upon Him,
Nor appearance that we should be attracted to Him.
3He was despised and forsaken of men,
A man of sorrows and acquainted with grief;
And like one from whom men hide their face
He was despised, and we did not esteem Him.
4Surely our griefs He Himself bore,
And our sorrows He carried;
Yet we ourselves esteemed Him stricken,
Smitten of God, and afflicted.
5But He was pierced through for our transgressions,
He was crushed for our iniquities;
The chastening for our well-being fell upon Him,
And by His scourging we are healed.
6All of us like sheep have gone astray,
Each of us has turned to his own way;
But the LORD has caused the iniquity of us all
To fall on Him.
7He was oppressed and He was afflicted,
Yet He did not open His mouth;
Like a lamb that is led to slaughter,
And like a sheep that is silent before its shearers,
So He did not open His mouth.
8By oppression and judgment He was taken away;
And as for His generation, who considered
That He was cut off out of the land of the living
For the transgression of my people, to whom the stroke was due?
9His grave was assigned with wicked men,
Yet He was with a rich man in His death,
Because He had done no violence,
Nor was there any deceit in His mouth.
10But the LORD was pleased
To crush Him, putting Him to grief;
If He would render Himself as a guilt offering,
He will see His offspring,
He will prolong His days,
And the good pleasure of the LORD will prosper in His hand.
11As a result of the anguish of His soul,
He will see it and be satisfied;
By His knowledge the Righteous One,
My Servant, will justify the many,
As He will bear their iniquities.
12Therefore, I will allot Him a portion with the great,
And He will divide the booty with the strong;
Because He poured out Himself to death,
And was numbered with the transgressors;
Yet He Himself bore the sin of many,
And interceded for the transgressors.


We must accept, this very involved and spoken of provision of God or be absolutly lost. He made the rules here ....he has established himself through history....It is His..story.

[braddog10]

Those who believe in a God will defend their God and are not going to change their minds about whether or not they think it's true.

Those logical analytical scientific thinkers who know better and do not believe in a God or any of that mythical prehistoric crap will defend truth and are not going to change their minds about whether or not they're right or wrong.

So basically this thread is going to bash heads for a while until it dies off...BUCKLE UP EVERYONE! ;)


Your right,....and that's not fun.

I'ts time to move on. It was good....very good at times. I got a tremendous amount out of this. I am leaving ....much larger than I came, and I thank you all for this.
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[souldistortion]

Ok I don't know if I'm onto something or if I need to quite the weed or what but this is what I came up with... If you can prove their is true pure happiness on earth then it proves heaven wrong...the bible states that heaven is perfect and that has happines that can't be reached on earth...so if anyone was to have a moment of pure happiness on earth then that would prove that their is pure happiness outside of heaven thus making a flaw in the bible...proving christianity wrong...wtf?

WHAT THE FUCK??? HAHAHAHAHahHAhaHHAh im soo stoned and i laughed my ass off when i read this. that is the worst logic ever.

[beachguy in thongs]

Those who believe in a God will defend their God and are not going to change their minds about whether or not they think it's true.

Those logical analytical scientific thinkers who know better and do not believe in a God or any of that mythical prehistoric crap will defend truth and are not going to change their minds about whether or not they're right or wrong.

So basically this thread is going to bash heads for a while until it dies off...BUCKLE UP EVERYONE! ;)

You're off. I believe in God. Have changed my mind about it.

[beachguy in thongs]

http://www.livescience.com/
http://www.space.com/
http://earthobservatory.nasa.gov/
http://www.nasa.gov/mission_pages/hurricanes/main/index.html
http://www.hawking.org.uk/
http://www.space.com/scienceastronomy/051013_blackhole_stars.html
http://www.weather.com/index.html

Love my science, though.

[SpiritLevel]

... And Spirit Level...you said this...
"... turn ur 2 dimensional triangle featuring religion, philosophy and science at its walls and add depth and height (3 dimensions) [sphere]

religion and science and philosophy don't fit the tru equation, but hopefully u can see how mathematics over anything else rules but not as we think..."

First off, you can't add height to a 2-dimensional object its already there ;) Lenght x Height? That's 2 dimensions... can't have 2 heights :thumbsup: And how would you turn it?

Second off, you said fit the true equation? What equation? You rambled for a few minutes talking half-heartedly kind-of sort of about imposing an equilateral triangle in a perfect circle and then making the the circle a sphere enclosing the triangle inside?

Third...you were talking smack on a different thread because a fellow dope smoker went to college for engineering. You scolded him for subjecting himself to academia and the governments twisted plot to mold us and what not and all we did was try and explain to you how mathematics was always true? In response we got some beefed up, thesaraus charged speech that really made no sense at all, even though it was a great attempt at using big words! Now you're defending mathematics on this thread? SO are you bipolar or did you see that we were right before and math really isn't so devilish?

PS: Jesus existed. And he was dark skinned. And he was probably schizophranic and no one knew it because they didn't know what it was then. Yeah, I know. God doesn't exist. Okay? Good!
My error. X is lenght, Y is height, and Z is depth. My explanation was such because I had the image of X & Y on a flat piece of paper without acknowledgeing Y as height. My utterance was purely hypethetical; probly why it resembled rambling and half heartedness. The true equation is a metaphor and not literal. Math can be superimposed on physical and non pysical events; thus we make calculations before making decissions, it is a mathematical process. As for the other thread and what was goin on over there, since You find it necessary to bring it up; If u bothered to read the thread properly or put down your selective amnesia you would have read the following also and I quote

"...I know that mathematics is a fundamental attribute to the existence of the universe and that there in; it's probably unchanged through the dimensions. I know that mathematics is either true or false, and that is why I studied maths at higher level. It is the only subject I know of that cannot be manipulated to become something else....."

http://boards.cannabis.com/showpost.php?p=864329&postcount=26

I am not bipolar and I haven't suddenly seen any light; I still stand by what I said in the OTHER thread. The above quote is from one of my so called 'Beefed' up statements that made no sense? I do like word variety, I suppose it comes from reading the subjects I do. And I still don't think you are right. And neither do I share your views on this subject, but hey; we all have the right to think whatever we want to think, just because we think it does not make it right.:thumbsup:

[SpiritLevel]

The Trilogy

I looked at Sacred Geometry a few years ago as a subject worthwhile embarking on. This came about after reading Bob Frissellâ??s â?? Nothing in this Book is True, But itâ??s Exactly How Things Are. http://www.amazon.com/gp/reader/1583940677/ref=sib_dp_pt/103-6479457-2133459#reader-link It was around the same time I was studying math at higher level.

The first geometric shape reached consisting of just straight lines is a triangle as we know. Like; Mother & Father & Child; each being a straight line. The trilogy serves a purpose and can be identified as A + B = C which is one of the most basic of equations in the realm of mathematics. A triangle can exist but putting a circle around it ensures completeness i.e. (A + B = C) where the presence of brackets indicates that everything within them have a relationship separate, yet significant, to what is outside of them. Putting brackets around (Mother + Father = Child) could be interpreted as the brackets being a love connection or something which binds them and giving them that separate, unique relationship. But it must be noted that the brackets bind the equation and Not each component. This indicates that each component is dependent on the other and if the equation breaks then the brackets (love) disappears also because the simple equation is incomplete.

Adding depth, or volume to a simple equation like (A + B = C) by cubing the result adds another dimension. Depth is more spiritual that just the love brackets. But again, cubing outside the bracket means that all is lost when a component is taken out. (all is lost meaning the sum wonâ??t calculate) So, the love and spiritual concepts can be lost when we look at a simple equation like that.

However each A and B component can correspond to the result of a previous equation; say (F^2 * (V * x^3) + Y = A) and (K^6 * (T - b^2) + Y = B). This means that A and B components could already have the Depth component within their equation (makeup) before they calculate and result with C. C can still be missing its depth even though it has inherited results from equations that have already been cubed(given volume/depth); C needs to add depth to itself to keep the family tree equation resultant figure rising. I donâ??t know what this figure represents/corresponds to as its all metaphorical.

Religion, Science and Philosophy are linear subjects. The reason I stated this was because it could be possible to somehow deduce an equation and work out the values of all the components. It wonâ??t be as simple as (a + b = c) as it would probably consist of using all buttons on a state of the art scientific calculator. I am not going to proceed with a math lesson on adding and subtracting though it could be interesting.

Straight Line - The male principle; using them equally you get an equilateral triangle which can be place nicely in a circle (circle - female principle). Circles are an unbroken line with its beginning at its end and vice versa. Take the circle, a representation of spiritual illumination, and realise then that everything is linked. This is just as putting brackets around three linear principles.

Turn your 2 dimensional triangle featuring any dang thing you like at its three walls and add spiritual depth {NOT height}(3 dimensions). Then put it in a sphere so when all linear components reach their highest level of spiritual illumination their point meet.

Religion and Science and Philosophy don't fit the true equation, but hopefully u can see how mathematics over anything else rules but not as we think

Pyramids weren't built because the shape is nice (may have square base but still have triangle feature)

[chris420]

check out this interesting site www.evilbible.com

[weirdo79]

I love that site Chris420, one of my top 3 faves :). The forum is amazing. I'de honestly love to see just one christian from here manage over there lol.

[weirdo79]

One question for the delusional nutjob Braddog though When did you ever "spank" Oneironaut besides never. (and yes I've read all the threads you just ignore what he says and twist his words and then claim victory...Much like any christian apologist I've ever seen). Geez man believe what you want but you've never not even once come close to "trouncing" him. Or , even a valid rebuttal...:p www.fallacyfiles.org learn debate....

Got to admit the evolution vs creation thread made me howl with laughter though, Only like 2 people in that whole thread realize they've got nothing to do with each other and try to point out abiogenesis and all the nutjobs ignore it...Ah facts , we dont need no stinking facts. Evolution is as much a fact as gravity. Or do you still believe "atoms" are atomies (little fairies)....click on the links from Evilbible in the evolution threads transitory fossils have been found by the hundreds. Try asking a paleontologist you can email them and generally speaking they'll respond by the end of the weak (royal ontario museum) or try Berkely(or any major scientific institute or university)in the science wing every professor has email they'll respond too usually by next day...But hey learning's for suckers right?

Even the late lamented pope realized it was fact geez man, when the church even agrees you gotta wonder at peoples motivations for denial.

Bah why do we bother , if someones willing to ignore all the bad crap in the bible and still proselytize meh , ignorance/faith=bliss I guess.

I urge all disbelievers in science to walk the walk , If your sick its gods will , dont go to the doctor after all he uses evolution in medical research....as bobby boucher's mom would say "It's the devil!"

[braddog10]

I love that site Chris420, one of my top 3 faves :). The forum is amazing. I'de honestly love to see just one christian from here manage over there lol.

I've read Her proofs,...They have no Legs.

[braddog10]

One question for the delusional nutjob Braddog though When did you ever "spank" Oneironaut besides never. (and yes I've read all the threads you just ignore what he says and twist his words and then claim victory...Much like any christian apologist I've ever seen). Geez man believe what you want but you've never not even once come close to "trouncing" him. Or , even a valid rebuttal...:p www.fallacyfiles.org learn debate....

Got to admit the evolution vs creation thread made me howl with laughter though, Only like 2 people in that whole thread realize they've got nothing to do with each other and try to point out abiogenesis and all the nutjobs ignore it...Ah facts , we dont need no stinking facts. Evolution is as much a fact as gravity. Or do you still believe "atoms" are atomies (little fairies)....click on the links from Evilbible in the evolution threads transitory fossils have been found by the hundreds. Try asking a paleontologist you can email them and generally speaking they'll respond by the end of the weak (royal ontario museum) or try Berkely(or any major scientific institute or university)in the science wing every professor has email they'll respond too usually by next day...But hey learning's for suckers right?

Even the late lamented pope realized it was fact geez man, when the church even agrees you gotta wonder at peoples motivations for denial.

Bah why do we bother , if someones willing to ignore all the bad crap in the bible and still proselytize meh , ignorance/faith=bliss I guess.

I urge all disbelievers in science to walk the walk , If your sick its gods will , dont go to the doctor after all he uses evolution in medical research....as bobby boucher's mom would say "It's the devil!"


Look at the fruit of your. Honestly and tell your self your world is good. That you are happy and so is your wife. A broken down mess as you are. I have noticed primarily ......a bunch of brand new user names and all new reinforcements, Just like the cavalry, showing up right on time. Your just another one that someone has fished out of your own cesspool. I have wished everyone well..... prior to your post. It's hard to want to stay in the same room with people like you. How many times have you been divorced, or can you not even keep a dateing relationship? Looks like we won't have much time together. I hope you yield your wreck of a life to God before it's too late.

[braddog10]

You moron, How many names do you have, All of a sudden these brand new sign ons are sings the Praises of the almighty. Come on this is 2 + 2, I studied Calculus out of the book, went to class for tests. What adolesence.
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. Moron is being nice. Manipulative is too. Well, thats what Satanist learn. Lets see, think I'll pass on the fruit today.

WeedGremblin, I wanted to appologize, I have been sucked in to alot of things that I don't want in my life. Unfortunately you were in the wake, I just wanted to express this before I leave, Thanks Dude I'm sorry. You seem like a very likable guy. Glancing up. I only saw the bottom sentence and hit qoute, another casualty....

[weirdo79]

Aha ad hominem attacks , fallacies of logic braddog, Obviously you havent even read the site. Either fallacy or Evilbible. (pssst the person who wrote those is a phD holder in theology...she does know alot more than you).

Love the desperation in your voice as to divorce comments and "wreck" of a life. I'm actually quite happy thanks. Your anger says you see the holes in your religion but can't deal with em. You might want to check the date on my user name or do a search for my past posts if you think im "new"....Idiot....You havent once actually used a rebuttal in regards to anything oneiron or now me(or anyone else) have said. Try it sometime.

Why wouldnt we have much time? You think the end times are nigh like 1000's before you (oops we misinterpreted the date! its next century!)

Notice how you avoid every logical point put before you. I'de feel pity but those that wallow in ignorance arent worth anyones pity. They dig their own hole.

Ad hominem's in the face of cold hard facts just says "my faith is shaken and im desperately clinging to anything I can...." your posts in the evolution thread show your ignorance on the topic yet you continue. You amuse me to no end. Keep it up laughter is the best medicine.

(pssst I know logic is very very hard for you but try reading your join date vs mine....YOUR the new guy math whiz....)

Just keep ignoring the pope.....