Day 32 of 12/12

[iwantFUEGO]

Well this is day 32 of flower... the plant is only 42 days old from sprout :D !

the last picture is where the flower grew into the CFL... big bummer.

Looking for comments and suggestions.

Thanks!

[TheHump]

Hey bro, those look like nice plants, but you need to get some more light in there. Are you only running those 2 CFLs? For as far along as you are in flowering, they should be looking a little more bulky. I have 3 plants and am running 8 CFLs and i think it is still underlite.

[iwantFUEGO]

BTW... LST is awesome.

But i didn't LST they way everyone else does it.
Originally i wanted to scrog this plant, but since i couldnt find a screen, i tried slowly tying it down sideways in one direction as if it were simulating a scrog.

The results were awesome (would have been better if i had more space). If you look closely, almost all of my auxiliary bud sites are growing at the same pace as the main cola AND, none of them grew away from the plant.

Almost all of my secondaries are still exactly where they sprouted from the stem.

[iwantFUEGO]

hey TheHump, i have been thinking about that alot. Although i do have 4 total CFLs in there positioned all around her.

I dont know, at this point i can really fit anymore lights in there... its too tight of a space. Shes this close to outgrowing it, i keep tying her down everyday.

AND shes still in her original 6in pot! i forgot to say that. Thats also prob why shes not growing very fast. But i cant transplant her because i cant have her getting monsterous on me.

Thanks for the feedback.
Peace

EDIT: About what i was saying about my LST method... its not very evident in these pictures because she got too big... but i will post an older pic to show you what i'm talking about with growing her sideways. This picture was taken abotu a week before the ones in my first post.

[orangeman]

Looks like the plant in the first post is dying or something :(.

[LIP]

They look nice mate

[BigBudDaddy08]

''iwantFUEGO''You say its been in 12/12 for 32days,But how long has it been since she showed her hairs?

[iwantFUEGO]

she has shown her hairs for about 3 weeks now... im not sure about the exact date.
I shoulda kept a journal but w/e...next time i guess.

Thanks LIP

Orangeman, why do you say that?

Cheers

[BigBudDaddy08]

iwantFUEGO,Cool i was about to say for 32 days your a bit behind.But the way your plant is growing side ways looks cool as hell,Kinda seems like your scrog'n with out the screen

[orangeman]

They leaves look burnt :p.

[iwantFUEGO]

They leaves look burnt :p.

Youre right, the leaves and flowers are constantly touching the lights... its like an everyday job just to keep the plant away from them. I'm gonna try and redesign my box tonight to make it more efficient for that size plant.

Thanks BigBud glad you like it. What do you think about keepin her in the 6in pot?

[BigBudDaddy08]

iwantFUEGO,Leave it in the 6inch pot my friend.Your a little to far into flowering to be transplanting .And if you did transplant,you could risk her being hermie.Also to me i wouldnt worry about the lights tounching the tips of the leaves or burning them a little(dont let the buds there self touch the lights lol) ,I would rather risk burnt tips than non-thick-compact-dank buds.


Also its pretty cool that me and you are about the same stage of flowering.Nice to compare my plant to yours.

[Pothead4204life]

how many total watts are you running?

[iwantFUEGO]

Check out what i built last night! I was up till about 5am even tho i had an organic chemistry exam at 9:15am lol.

First 3 pictures are of my new SCroG... =D
I also sorta mounted all my lights to one central fixture that is suspended now...rather than having all the lights seperately attached to the side walls.
I think she looks more beautiful than ever.

BigBud, i think i will leave it in the 6in pot...less work for me anyway. Atleast now i fixed my burning problem.. I would love to see pics of your babies if you dont mind putting them up, it would be cool to compare. Do they look similar?

Picture 4 is of the trichomes starting to form! :dance:

Picture 5 is of al the bottom fan leaves turning yellow.

Pothead420, I dont really remeber exactly how many watts but its 4 fairly sized warm CFLs. i think its somewhere between 350-400 watts (energy efficient equivalent wattage).

Peace 2 All :rasta:

[BigBudDaddy08]

iwantFUEGO,Heres some pics of both my girls first 2 pics are single shots,And the next 2 are trichome shots from each ladie

Also my ladies are 25 days from showing sex.

[iwantFUEGO]

BigBud, Those are beautiful! Indicas i see... which is what i plan on growing next. No more slutty sativa for me.
What kind of lights are you using?
What strain is that? they look pretty short... (lowryder?)

What do you think about my modifications?

PEACE

[slowthestone]

Hey BigBudDaddy...


Butt a loupe... [attachment=o76984] $10 - for a plastic lensed 10x (very low end btw) directly against your camera lens. And then put the loupe super close, without touching, to your buds.

You'll go from [attachment=o76985] to [attachment=o76986]

[BigBudDaddy08]

''slowthestone'' Got you cover my friend,lol.


Also ''iwantFUEGO'' your mods look pretty good alot better than having them scattered .Right now im using a mix of 40wtt tubes and 42 wtt cfls.But im pretty sure befor harvest ill have nothing but CFL's.As the strain got no idea its some bag seed,But my dealer has a name for it but he likes makeing fake bullshit names so really have no idea.And as for the shortness i just veged them for like 15 days and then poped them in 12/12.

[iwantFUEGO]

yea i vegged for 10 days before 12/12.
ours are about the same age but your are much more developed, cuz sativas take much longer to flower I've read.
I would really like to grow nice lowryder strain next time around.

[iwantFUEGO]

slowthestone thats genius i cant believe I never thought of that.

[BigBudDaddy08]

Yeah i got some Hed-Fourplay seeds right now that im waiting to grow,But soon after they are done ill be getting a cross of MandtuskaThunderFuck x Lowryder.And yes your sativa will take atleast 2-3weeks longer untill harvest than mine.But your ladie will bless yah with some dankity dank for waiting a little longer

[iwantFUEGO]

quick picture update for whoever's interested..:thumbsup:

I rearranged the lights...more efficient this way i think.

The buds get bigger and bigger everyday but I hope they start to really fill in soon.

:smokin:

[BigBudDaddy08]

There looking great,But i would keep the cfl's no further than 2 inch's away. You will see a big change of the weight they start to put on.I finally switched to all cfl's today befor i go out to my lake house,and i keep them between 1/8 of an inch of my plants

[slowthestone]

1/8 of an inch!

Okay...I know folks love to get those CFLs nice n close...but I tell you from PRECESION temperature readings direct from the face and back of the leaves...they're hot...plenty hot at that when the bulb, especially the bulb's ballast, are less than an inch from a the tops. The ambient room temperature just inches from the leaves is nice n cozy, the leaves themselves usually hit 88 - 102°F + It's an effect that lessens, but continues on down several more inches depending on the wattage and available air flow n such. The leaves suck up both the radiated, and the spectral energy (darker gets hotter) of the light.

I figure it this way...better to be a little bit further away, receiving a smidge less lumens per cm2 sure...but not risking burn and having the plant devote resources to having to stay cool instead of more juice available for bulking up.

btw bigbud...dont forget, depending on how long you'll be gone, and gauged from recent growth...its good to raise those lights to where you'd project the tops of the plants to be by the time you get back. :thumbsup:

[BigBudDaddy08]

slowthestone ,I am able to get the bulbs that close because i got great air circulation and constant air moveing across the bulbs.But your are right i got a instant laser thermometer and it reads the surface of the bulbs with my air flow is 93 deg's F, Then the thermometer reads 87 surface temp. at the nearest bud/leaf ,then my room temp is 78.Big diffrence in temps.

Also while im gone i threw together an automatic light mover .I got an old cd player tore the face off it and tied a metal wire to it and pluged it in to a timer so every day for 4 seconds the cd player will turn on and raise my lights up about half an inch.

[slowthestone]

HoLy CrAp!

Thats one torquie ass CD player!

btwx2...I was poking around the fridge the other day while thinking about a reliable means to get water to the plants in a controlled, automatic, and worry free sort of way for when ever I'd not be around to do it myself.

I was poking around the fridge the other day while thinking about a reliable means to get water to the plants in a controlled, automatic, and worry free sort of way for when ever I'd not be around to do it myself. :p

[BigBudDaddy08]

So what did you find when looking around the fridge?.Lol

Also the cd player wouldnt really call it torquie,would call it a freak of electronics , hehe im really suprized that its workn.Ill probally spend the next few hours befor i leave to make this thing work perfect, due to the little clip thing i got to stop the wire from goin back down when the cd player shuts off .It keeps kinking the wire.I might have to have thicker wire.

[iwantFUEGO]

i could probably lower the lights like an inch but, like slowthestone said, i dont want to risk burning my plants anymore. I've burnt them TOO many times and i definately ruined one of the flowers because i let it grow into the light.

BigBud, do you really think the lights are too far from it? the picture may make it look farther but it is only 3-4" at the most... plus the box is very small and with all the reflectivity in there, it gets very bright. I need sunglasses just to work in there. :smokin:

The trichs are really starting to show up all over now and the flowers are starting to look like flowers more..(slowly, but more)... instead of looking like a big cluster of leaves with hairs all over.

I guess i am going to keep using this thread to update so keep an eye out!:thumbsup:
Peace.

[iwantFUEGO]

one more thing... i'm using miracle gro potting mix (i know, i started her before i read)..

Do you think it would be a bad idea to give her alittle NPK? Shes in a 6in pot... so i'm sure the ferts in the MG are starting to deteriorate... I could give her in small doses?

Peace

[BigBudDaddy08]

Yeah give her some NPK but i would use 1/4 of recomended dose.Also make sure you got somthing a little high in P due to your in flowering now .Also your light distance dont worry about it 3-4 inchs is fine if you wanna keep it safe but for me 2-3 inchs is safe (Hehe right now as low as my lights are im past the safe zone the comfort zone and any other zone im just hoping for the best.)

Yeah your buds are looking great

[kdspecial]

Hello There...

I have read your lOg and its awsome. I am a new grower and plan to do small plants like you guys are doing. I a question...

When you vegged your plant did you give it only water or any ferts? If so how Misting? or in the soil only?

And one more thing If I veg for say 2 weeks from a seedling or clone. how big could I expect my plant to be once flowering is complete. You see I only have about 2.5 feet in my growing and flowering box. So basically I kinda need to know how soon I should start FLowering to be sure my plants stay under the light. 12 inches? 5 inches?

I have a 96W T5 light 4 2ft bulbs 2000 lummes each 2 red 2 white. Here is a pic of what I have started.

My bigger plants are screwed. The person at the head shop told me to always give nutes in water right from seedling. Its stunted these guys growth and made them unhealthy. I later found a Graden shop and got good info and start seedlings again. I am hopeing to get a mother out of these. If I don't kill them first by my lack of knowledge. I am learning and thats half the battle.

Any help with the top questions would be awsome. Like sizing before flowering and watering that small of a plant.

thanks kindly

kd_special

[kdspecial]

Heres the Mess I started. The Green ones I have only Given water and they are looking good. they are about 20 days old.

They grow pretty stubby the light is about 5 inches away. I think stubby is good though right? More compact Bud?

kd_special

[iwantFUEGO]

BigBud, Thanks man i appreciate your comments!! I'm happy about all this positive feedback. I am going to go see if i can find a good fert with alot of Phosphorus tomorrow. I will do what you said about the 1/4 dosage and the update will be posted ina few days.

kdspecial, We are in a similar situation because i cant let her get too big either. I read alot about LST and SCRoG methods and kinda used both to end up where i am. I basically grew the entire plant sideways exposing all the flowers to light. I have not seen many people do this but it seems to be working perfectly for me.
I vegged for 10 days after sprout and then quickly switched to 12/12. She started showing flowers about 7-9 days after that and has been growing since for about 20-25 days. I would go easy on the ferts with the young plants for sure.
If your limited on height, consider growing like me. :D
If you have any questions i'll be happy to guide you.
Happy growing.

[BigBudDaddy08]

iwantFUEGO,Hey man figured id post a pic of 2 of my buds to compare to yours. First pic is a side branch bud that is coming out.Second pic is the lowest bud site .Also you gotta click on pic and see the full res. pic

kdspecial,Id like to answer all your qustions right now but im driving to the lake with my ladie and i cant type on my lab top that much gotta stay focused on the road ehehe.But i will say your plants look good just a little over ferted and maybe over watered

[iwantFUEGO]

BigBud, your driving and posting at the same time?? thats multi-tasking! Do you have Verizon's All-Over Network?

Grr I'm a bit jealous! Your plants look really nice and have more trichomes than mine. But i noticed that more of your hairs are turning brown than mine so i guess that means its a bit more mature... plus i just remebered your indica will mature much quicker than my slut-iva...
Sorry i'm stoned... rippin the pHx.

[kdspecial]

Thanks for any help. So is it that a plant may about double in size once it starts flowering? Is that a fair estimate?

thanks for all the help guys... Yeah watering is a trickey thing. My pots stay wet at the bottom of them for so long. Should I see water comming out of the pot everytime I water or only every so often?

Like say have drain out once a week? if watering 3 times a week?

[s12fever]

shit man your grow's lookin very nice

[iwantFUEGO]

kdspecial, i would definately let your plants drink up ALL the water before the next watering. When you do water, hold your plants over the sink and flood the pot, allowing all the excess water to drain from the bottom. This should be done everytime you water.

[kdspecial]

Perfect Thank you for your help. Hopefully now I can get healthy plants. My pots seem sogged. since I planted them I am gonna let them totally dry out then water. And then repeat as needed.

I use coco So it stays pretty wet for a long time.

Thanks so much

[iwantFUEGO]

thanks s12! I've been keepin up with yours also :thumbsup:

Updates comin soon... im gonna feed some NPK today.

[BigBudDaddy08]

iwantFUEGO,Hey friend, figured id see whats up befor my ladie wakes up.And yes i got Verizon's All-Over Network but the damn Yahoo is shit .

Also figured id post a little bud of my outside grow i got goin on at the lake house .Pinched this one off and did a quick dry over night .

[iwantFUEGO]

that looks really nice...

i went out and bought scott's vegetable all purpose plant food... 10/10/10...and 2% sulfur it says..

I guess i will give it to her tonight.
Peace

[iwantFUEGO]

Here are some picture updates...

She looks good after she was fed... i only gave her 10-10-10 but shes starting to show brown tips (very small) on all her leaves, which i read means that shes almmost overferted... so no more ferts..
But im scared cuz this stuff is continuous feed for 2 months so will it be bad? I only gave about 1/3 dosage right on top of the soil.
I also bought some epsom salt tonight because ive been wanting to give her some Mg but i dunno if i should... you tell me.
Thanks

1. the whole plant
2. one of the lower buds
3. part of the main cola
4. the whole main cola:rasta:

[iwantFUEGO]

is it just me, or do the trichomes look 100% cloudy?

[s12fever]

trichs look 100% delicious to me... lol, looking bloody nice FUEGO!

you're in Lebanon? be safe m8

s12

[iwantFUEGO]

No I live in US... but i got that lebanese pride...:D My family actually just got back from Lebanon with the American evacuation. They were on vacation and got stuck...

i know :D :D :D they look delicious to me too... I look at them so much my eyes wont focus anymore... I've been debating a few things:
1. Should i feed her some Mg... if so, how much?
2. Should i trim her fan leaves off? I read this will allow all the water/nutes to go to the buds.
3. Do the trichs look unusually large to any1 else? On other's, trichs look small and neatly placed whereas mine look like large blobs. AND they all look cloudy already.. (its only week 5 of 12/12).

[s12fever]

um yea im not positive but i think the bigger the trichs the higher you get....i think...but fuck yea, they look so tasty

[busteruk7]

looking good keep up the good work iwantFUEGO
cheers all :)

[BukDatAss]

MMM the doo look cloudy not 100% but tasty. Did u sprinkle sugar on them?
LOL:D :thumbsup:

[Jdog7000]

Thats crazy how slow it flowers under those lights.
My plants had bigger buds after 2 weeks flowering then those first pic's at 32 days.
I guess thats the difference right there with those lights.

[Login Failed]

Looking nice Fuego!!

I can't wait to see yours when it is done!!

My trichs are still mostly clear, but gaining more and more daily. Most of the top fan leaves are covered to!

[iwantFUEGO]

see thats the thing...i know she has atleast 4 more weeks... so why are the trichs cloudy already?

im afraid that maybe that the trichs are going to mature before the buds fill in...is that possible?

Any1 got any input on the epsom salt feeding?

Thanks for the feedback!

[SpiritLevel]

SPINDALLY.. hope its not for profit. More lighting, different diet... besides that it looks better than my first 2 and a half grow ops... Keep it goin!!!!!

[s12fever]

Just wanted to drop by and say Dogbud7000 is a male....

The weird thing is it's been on 18/6 for weeeeeks now...how the hell...?!

[iwantFUEGO]

s12, you cant totally control the growth of the plant. Even if its on 24/0 for 10 weeks, if the plant wants to flower at 6 weeks, it will.

I would say this is a good indication that you should switch to 12/12 soon, if not now.

What should i do about my harvest? I'm only 4 weeks into 12/12 and the trichs are mostly cloudy already... and some of the pistils are turning brown... whats going on here??

PLease any feedback about this issue is appreciated.
Thanks
PEACE :smokin:

[s12fever]

s12, you cant totally control the growth of the plant. Even if its on 24/0 for 10 weeks, if the plant wants to flower at 6 weeks, it will.

I would say this is a good indication that you should switch to 12/12 soon, if not now.

What should i do about my harvest? I'm only 4 weeks into 12/12 and the trichs are mostly cloudy already... and some of the pistils are turning brown... whats going on here??

PLease any feedback about this issue is appreciated.
Thanks
PEACE :smokin:


ohhhh, so the plant is maturing sorta thing...yea i getcha. thanks.

Maybe you have a really potent-as-fuck strain? sorry i cant help but that is very odd

[iwantFUEGO]

well i just looked at her and came to the conclusion that the trichs look cloudy in the pictures because they are simply reflecting light from the CFLs. I am going to walgreens right now to get a magnifying glass so i can really get a good look at them.
Peace

[BukDatAss]

Tell me what u got in Walgreens cause I got a 15x mag in radio shack but I need a better closer one a 30x would be perfect I think. Anyways talk to u soon

PS lovin the new avatar:thumbsup:

[ate]

Holy shit at Fuego's trichome covered buds...

[iwantFUEGO]

i actually didnt find shit at walgreens... BUT

i went to radio shack and they had a 60x-100x magnifying glass with built in light for 9.99...

to be honest... it zooms a little too much and its hard to see unless you put yourself in a position where you can make your hands very steady...

but for the price, its very powerful and nice too.

The slut is doing very well btw... she survived her Mg feeding last night so i will post new pics soon.
PEACE

[BukDatAss]

NICE, So how are the buds doin?