Thanks President Bush.....

[HiGuy]

For doing your best to protect my family from those wanting to cut my head off just because I have a difference on religion. For going after them first before they grow stronger to some day, wipe our great planet with a WMD. For taking the fight to them instead of having my home land in defense mode 24/7 and allowing me to know when my wife and daughter goes to the mall, they will in most case return. Thanks President Bush for putting a team in place that has the interest on a better tomorrow for my children, and allowing my property to increase in value because we have better living standards that's a demand. Thanks for leading by example on dealing with groups that are geared on hate, such as the Dem Liberal party, even when they cheat, steal and lie just to gain a vote from the public; you sir are a true leader. Thanks President Bush for not folding like France, Spain and the UN (which is under investigation for that food for oil issue) to special interest groups. And for being decent. My respect goes to Mrs. Bush as well.

In closing, I realize there are issue that need work on, and I know you are doing what you can to change these things as fast as possible. I also realize your plate is filled with the defense of our Nation. Our economy is at a record level, home ownership has NEVER been this high and the poverty level is the lowest ever too. I wouldn't even say the poverty is poverty, since ALL of them have a place to stay, over 80% own their own car, have cable, have heat and air. Have a phone and free hospital care. Compared to a 3rd. world country, the poor people here are loving like kings!

Liberalism is a disease and no country can last for to long with them in control. Thanks President Bush for working behind the seems on eliminating this 'colt' by allowing more people to see them as they really are. It has been noted that people are leaving the Dem party in record levels because their starting to see how they were hijacked over the last 8 plus years, by special agenda politicians such as Kerry (a billionaire).

Thank you sir, each day I thank GOD we have a commander and chief with honor and respect for this country I am proud of, The United States of America......

[HiGuy]

The lesser or "all" evils available. Doesn't take a smart person to see this....

[HiGuy]

LIBERALS SUCK! They like hiding the FACTS....

[HiGuy]

Bring it on...

[Imotep]

you are high.

[Button Basher]

Wow, he must be REALLY high :eek: , he doesn't know what he's saying!

Aaaw :) !

[gjayde]

from a far away point of view that i am able to provide i can honesty say...

that most nz'ers compare bush 2... a complete utter wanker... who poked his long nose where he should not have...

[Phresh as it Gets]

i hate girls with bush and i hate political parties with bush,

bush needs to die bush needs to die bush needs to die bush needs to die bush needs to die bush needs to die bush needs to die bush needs to die bush needs to die bush needs to die bush needs to die bush needs to die bush needs to die bush needs to die bush needs to die bush needs to die bush needs to die bush needs to die bush needs to die bush needs to die bush needs to die bush needs to die bush needs to die bush needs to die bush needs to die bush needs to die bush needs to die bush needs to die bush needs to die bush needs to die bush needs to die bush needs to die bush needs to die bush needs to die bush needs to die bush needs to die bush needs to die bush needs to die bush needs to die bush needs to die bush needs to die bush needs to die bush needs to die bush needs to die bush needs to die bush needs to die bush needs to die bush needs to die bush needs to die bush needs to die bush needs to die bush needs to die bush needs to die

[mellow mood]

hey, i must say higuy your completely brainwashed by the fuckin american system. OPEN YOUR FUCKIN EYES, BUSH IS INSTALLING FEAR AMONG AMERICANS BY TELLING THE IRAKIANS ARE GOING TO ATTACK. MY ASS MAN. THEY GOT NO FUCKIN DAMN NUCLEAR MASSIVE WEAPONS HES JUST A BIG COCK SUCKER AND A SLAYER THAT KILLS INNOCENT PPL FOR GODDAMN PETROL. IN TOP OF THAT, THEY HAVE THE SAME DAMN FUCKIN GOD THAN US, ITS JUST A DIFFERENT PERSON THAN JESUS(MOHAMET) AND THE CORAN IS ALMOST THE SAME AS THE BIBLE GOD BLESS AMERICA MY ASS PFFFF. MAN YOUR STUPID OPEN YOUR EYES BUSH IS THE WORST TERRORIST THAT EXIST I CANT BELEIVE PPL ARE VOTING FOR HIM CMON MAN WTF HE HAVES NO FUCKIN REASON TO ATTACK IRAK HE JUST WANT THEM TO HAVE A FUCKIN IRAK GOVERNEMENT THATS FOR USA SO ITS EASIER TO BUY PETROL. FUCK THE USA AND FUCK BUSH I HOPE YOU SAW FARENHEIT 9/11 DAMN AMERICANS AND IRAKIANS ARE DYING FOR A STUPID CAPITALIST CAUSE THEY ARE ALL BRAINWASHED IM HAPPY TO LIVE IN CANADA, EVEN IF PAUL MARTIN SUCKS TOO. GOVERNEMENT S-U-C-K-S
MONEY=CORRUPTION
POWER=CORRUPTION
POWER+MONEY+STUPIDITY=BUSH

[mellow mood]

AND REMEMBER THE USA IS THE MORE DANGEROUS COUNTRY OF THE NORTH AMERICA WITH THE MORE SUICIDE AND THE MORE KILLS. YEAH MAN TELL ME YOUR IN SECURITY IF YOU NEED TO SLEEP WITH A GUN UNDER YOUR PILLOW. I HOPE AT LEAST ONE DAY YOULL UNDERSTAND HOW YOUVE BEEN BRAINWASHED BY THE FUCKIN GOVERNEMENT AND TELEVISION. YEA FUCK THE SYSTEM AND FUCK THE USA.

[Sam]

HiGuy that sounded incredibly naive and ignorant i must say-the only reason Bush is slaughtering innocent Iraquis is to get at the oil-you may have noticed how obsessed he is at digging up Alaska to get his hands on some. He is solely motivated by oil-which leads to money. Also they failed to find any weapons of mass destruction-the reason why they started the war i the first place. Also just to point out christians and muslims both believe in the same god.

If he wanted to act as the world's policeman he could pay somewhere else a visit-Africa for starters, maybe the Congo. The atrosoties there make Iraq look like a bad day in Kansas.

What worries me is that around 50% of Americans or a bit over are going to vote for Bush-that means 1 in 2 Americans are as stupid as he is-very worrying.

[High phy]

Ok... I think i get it, Youre Sarcastic right? you dont belive all that bullshit right? i Mean, ok, youre a lot better than the shitty barf pit i call my country. But That guy is killing people for money. KILLING PEOPLE FOR MONEY. get it? How much is your life bro? May i collect the money and kill you? Ill give that money to bush and perhaps he let me go...

Hey, Mexico is a Petroleum productor too! We live in fear that megalomaniatic bastard kill our fucking asses to get it! We cant do shit bout that if he decides so, Mexico Army aint got water guns!

I dont know, maybe youre smoking too much. Or maybe you need to smoke more.
I just cant belive youre thanking that guy for killing innocents so you can have cable...

[HiGuy]

You all are fucking brainless. Can't debate what possibilities maybe, instead, lets just say he's a moron and leave it at that. Tipical Lib or I don't know what I am (grow the fuck up KIDS).....

This forum is full of children and there's no talking with them I can see. See ya losers. Sounds like your doing glue too being brain dead like most of you are here in this post!

[Sam]

Nice to have an intelligent, well thought out reply.

[Torog]

For doing your best to protect my family from those wanting to cut my head off just because I have a difference on religion. For going after them first before they grow stronger to some day, wipe our great planet with a WMD. For taking the fight to them instead of having my home land in defense mode 24/7 and allowing me to know when my wife and daughter goes to the mall, they will in most case return. Thanks President Bush for putting a team in place that has the interest on a better tomorrow for my children, and allowing my property to increase in value because we have better living standards that's a demand. Thanks for leading by example on dealing with groups that are geared on hate, such as the Dem Liberal party, even when they cheat, steal and lie just to gain a vote from the public; you sir are a true leader. Thanks President Bush for not folding like France, Spain and the UN (which is under investigation for that food for oil issue) to special interest groups. And for being decent. My respect goes to Mrs. Bush as well.

In closing, I realize there are issue that need work on, and I know you are doing what you can to change these things as fast as possible. I also realize your plate is filled with the defense of our Nation. Our economy is at a record level, home ownership has NEVER been this high and the poverty level is the lowest ever too. I wouldn't even say the poverty is poverty, since ALL of them have a place to stay, over 80% own their own car, have cable, have heat and air. Have a phone and free hospital care. Compared to a 3rd. world country, the poor people here are loving like kings!

Liberalism is a disease and no country can last for to long with them in control. Thanks President Bush for working behind the seems on eliminating this 'colt' by allowing more people to see them as they really are. It has been noted that people are leaving the Dem party in record levels because their starting to see how they were hijacked over the last 8 plus years, by special agenda politicians such as Kerry (a billionaire).

Thank you sir, each day I thank GOD we have a commander and chief with honor and respect for this country I am proud of, The United States of America......
I liked what you said so much,that I had to quote it again,you just keep that letter of appreciation foremost in your mind,while President Bush is under endless,scurrilous attack from the Left. Kerry,ain't no leader,he's a follower,who needs the permission of euroweenies before he'll do so much as fart-much less go after the terrorists.

Don't let these daggum liberals git ya down,they all see the glass as half-empty-instead of half-full,like good folks of good character do. Liberals don't understand the strategic and tactical needs of America,or selfless sacrifice.

Do not relent ! Keep up the Good fight ! I stand with you-you're not alone.

Have a good one...Torog

[Libertarian Toker]

He's a whimp Torog, let him go. Look at how he runs from liberals. Is that really who you want standing with you? LOL!

Toker

[Button Basher]

I'm glad i'm here in Britain where noone gives a shit about anything :D ! We have fights like these over whether it's better to buy a treadmill or just go for a jog every morning.

[sawleaf]

I'm glad i'm here in Britain where noone gives a shit about anything :D ! We have fights like these over whether it's better to buy a treadmill or just go for a jog every morning.

Of course jogging is better! If you have a treadmill you are an asshole and a lying Lib! :D :p :rolleyes:

[Button Basher]

You dare to mock those of which have been built to preserve the physical health of your children? DIE FAG!!


:D

[TheDirtyB]

LETS ALL THANK THE BUSH FAMILY FOR GIVIN BIN LADEN THE CIA TRAINING HE NEEDED TO BOMB US. LETS THANK CHANY FOR THE CORRUPTION TO GET HIS OLD OIL COMPANY ALL THE CONTRACTS IN IRAQ AND STEAL MILLIONS FROM US. HELL LETS THANK BUSH FOR ALLOWIN NORTH KOREA TO TEST MISSELS TO ATTACT OTHER COUNTRIES. LETS THANK BUSH FOR INSTALLIN FEAR IN OUR HEADS. LETS THANK BUSH FOR GETTIN THE BIN LADEN FAMILY OUT OF THE USA WHEN NO ONE ELSE COULD FLY. LETS THANK BUSH FOR MAKIN CANADA LOOK THAT MUCH BETTER AS A PLACE TO LIVE. AND LETS THANK BUSH FOR GIVIN HIMSELF A TAX CUT AND LEAVIN ME THE POOR TO BE SCREWED TO FAIL ALWAYS. THANK YOU BUSH FOR MAKIN THE USA A SHITTY PLACE. FUCK BUSH FUCK THE REPUBLICANS. PEACE FOR NOW AND NO IM NOT STONED.

[TheDirtyB]

ONE MORE NOTE. THANK YOU BUSH SR. FOR GIVIN SADDAM THE MONEY BACK IN THE EARLY 80'S TO SCREW US TODAY.

[High phy]

I have always a good laugh when i though of the pentagon guys looking at the skies
"Hey dude, what did they said bout 5 missing planes?"
"dunno, sumthin like -nobody will notice- why do you ask?"
"I think i found some---"

so theyre protecting you huh? dont you think there are too mant lost pieces?

[Phresh as it Gets]

i find it odd that cheney is the CEO of an oil company, the first building secured in iraq was the one that controled oil wells, and bush has used just about every excuse for goin to wasr EXCEPT oil, i hope one day all republicans are smoten back in to the firey pit of hell from whence they came, DEATH TO REPS.!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Phresh as it Gets]

war*

[BuD MaN]

Higuy, do u think your "GREAT COUNTRY" and your hero Mr.Bush have the right to illegally invade a country, based on a lie, first off bomb them from the air like the fucking cowards you are, then after theres nothing left to bomb, you drive in on your heavily armoured cars and machine guns saying we're here to "liberate" you, THEN create chaos in what once was a stable country, THEN you "accidentally" on "intelligence" bomb housing complexes with women and children inside, killing them, and then thinking it's all ok because its apparently faulty intelligence. George Bush is the worlds worst terrorist alive. It's ok for the leader of a nation to "accidentally" murder innocent women and children, just not anyone else. And just now as I watch the latest news with the man himself saying that he was wrong to go to war on the reasons he had for the whole invasion of Iraq...Wait a minute, first off it was Afghanistan that was reponsible for 9/11, then its iraq, whos next...Fuckin Iceland??? The current american government is the most Arrogant, culturally SICK, self-centred political party on earth and the world would be far better off without America

[Imotep]

and now I, an Australian am target for Jihad.
Mate whatever your name is who started this,
I understand international strategy too, so you wont be upset if,
as a move of self preservation I pre-emptive strike your arse with my boot.

[mellow mood]

Stupid people will never unserstand the truth until they realize it by themselves. let just those stupid pro-america and capitalist egoist faggot that are happy to have a home and that dont fuckin care bout anything cept therselves. yea lets vote bush, lets kill innocent people so ill be more psychologicly securised by a inexsistant danger.

P.S. John Kerry is an asshole too, but bush is a bigger asshole. What we have to keep in mind is that governement is corrupted, beacause money corupts, and stupid people are corrupted. And stupidiest people vote for stupid corrupted governement. Fuck the U.S.A, FUCK THE HUMANITY!!!!

[Ed Ward MD]

if you want to do something. Spread the word and works of Michael Badnarik. The only thing that will stop this country's tyranny.

:( Ed Ward, MD :cool:

[BuD MaN]

I think sum1 needs 2 put a dirty bomb in the white house...or a nuke!!!

[Euphoric]

shhhh!

[Imotep]

I think sum1 needs 2 put a dirty bum in the white house...or a nuke!!!

whatcha doin next friday budman?
I got an old bottle of roundup we can throw over the fence.
otherwise we can ambush the toilet paper supplies. dirty bum!
or heave a homeless guy over the bars. dirty bum!
or moon em. dirty bum!

hehehahahhohohohohehehahahahhohohohohomotherfuckth atssomefunnyshit

[mr chinnery]

HiGuy that sounded incredibly naive and ignorant i must say-the only reason Bush is slaughtering innocent Iraquis is to get at the oil-you may have noticed how obsessed he is at digging up Alaska to get his hands on some.

Hi sam, why not read what someone who is much better informed than you has to say on this specific matter.

http://www.thebatt.com/news/2003/02/21/Opinion/Clarifying.The.Myth.Of.Oil-514801.shtml

[Herbaholic00]

Some more links.........not necessarily my view.



http://www.foreignaffairs.org/20020301faessay7969//.html



http://www.foreignaffairs.org/20010701faessay4995//.html



http://www.foreignaffairs.org/20020101faessay6555//.html



http://www.foreignaffairs.org/20020101faessay6555//.html



http://www.foreignaffairs.org/20020701faessay8518//.html



http://www.foreignaffairs.org/20030301faessay10338//.html



Peace

[psychocat]

Bush and his cronies are the single biggest threat to a stable world since Hitler first pulled on his jackboots.
You pro bush guys keep swallowing the spin and the rest of us will continue to seek out the truth.
The draconian laws that were introduced under the anti-terrorism banner are just another way to monitor and control the general public.
The paranoia that permeates the US because of "supposed" threats and bullshit propoganda has no equal , reds under the bed , terrorists who's only goal is to destroy america , it's insane.
As for the very first post, isn't your attitude one of "I'm alright jack , screw you" ?

[sawleaf]

I think sum1 needs 2 put a dirty bomb in the white house...or a nuke!!!

Because everyone knows that nukes are the easy fix for any problem right? :rolleyes:

[PurplePotatoes]

You all are fucking brainless. Can't debate what possibilities maybe, instead, lets just say he's a moron and leave it at that. Tipical Lib or I don't know what I am (grow the fuck up KIDS).....

This forum is full of children and there's no talking with them I can see. See ya losers. Sounds like your doing glue too being brain dead like most of you are here in this post!

Easy for you to say. Did you know when Bush is reinaugurated he's spending 10 times more than any President? He just doesn't care about spending money. The next generation of us "kids" are never going to get social security because you know you're going to die and won't have to help pay back that deficit.

Special agenda politicians? Have you ever heard of Oil and Haliburton. Good job.

As far as I'm concerned, NO TERRORISTS WOULD CUT OFF YOUR FAMILY'S HEADS. Do you not realize that the people that were beheaded LIVED and WORKED over there? Paul Johnson was a contractor. You don't work in the country that country is at war with. It's sad that he's dead, but he was stupid.

Lynching Sadam Hussein did NOTHING but cause the world to hate us even more. We took him and he did nothing wrong. ABSOLUTELY NOTHING WRONG. Why don't we focus on North Korea who actually has weapons? Too bad the big bad US is too scared to take them on.

There NEVER was a threat. We had one attack, if you wanna call that a reason to go to war, you're fucking stupid. It wasn't a country, it was a little group of Arabs. Right now we're over their for OIL.

Bush used dirty tricks and political schemes to get into office, like many other Republicans through out history.

As for liberal/democrat slander... But let's see who started the great depression. REPUBLICANS. Who got us out? The Democrats. The Republicans killed Kennedy. And did you hear about the next Bush running for President? Hurray for the Bush's Dynasty of Power, Religion, and Corporate Greed!

[PurplePotatoes]

Why do all the good presidents get assassinated anyways?

[juggalo420]

Why do all the good presidents get assassinated anyways?
reagon was almost assasinated and he was a prick so i think that disproves your point.

[IthoughtIknewitall]

Bush is good at what he does. He does it well and doesnt care what other people think. Listed is what he is good at. Oh, and let me say "There are many more"
1. Kill innocent people
2. Cause the entire world to hate us more than they already do.
3. Find terrorists. Oh, Im sorry, The real ones are still in charge.
4. Make oil prices skyrocket. What are we fighting for?
5. Endorse the criminalization of Marijuana. Its not medicine.
6. Scare Americans so they will vote for him.
7. Be an arrogant idiot who fucks Arnold Schwarrgeneger and dick Cheney and all his ultraconservative lambs and should be prosecuted.

I must ask myself. Why in the fuck arent his ugly cunt daughters in Iraq fighting?

[IthoughtIknewitall]

I wanted to move to Canada when The second Bush got elected. If this dynasty continues and his brother JEB becomes president, I will die of depression or I will move to Canada.

[PurplePotatoes]

reagon was almost assasinated and he was a prick so i think that disproves your point.

Too bad they couldn't finish the job. :(

I did take him into consideration, but he didn't die, so it doesn't matter if they tried or not.

[PurplePotatoes]

I also find it hilarious that you called liberalism a disease.

Please, go back to your farm in the middle of nowhere, practice your strict construction of your Bible, continue preaching, and forget about the internet and most modern forms of technology.

If you didn't know, liberals want CHANGE. Conservatives don't, they want things to stay the same for the most part (and are all for religion and anything religion related, etc). Back in the 20-30s, conservatives didn't want all the liberal changes, such as women's new role in society (individuals, rather than speak when spoken too, stay at the home, and to not work). Also, they didn't believe in most the changes being created, and didn't like the city life.

Please never use the internet again.

[NowhereMan]

AND REMEMBER THE USA IS THE MORE DANGEROUS COUNTRY OF THE NORTH AMERICA WITH THE MORE SUICIDE AND THE MORE KILLS. YEAH MAN TELL ME YOUR IN SECURITY IF YOU NEED TO SLEEP WITH A GUN UNDER YOUR PILLOW. I HOPE AT LEAST ONE DAY YOULL UNDERSTAND HOW YOUVE BEEN BRAINWASHED BY THE FUCKIN GOVERNEMENT AND TELEVISION. YEA FUCK THE SYSTEM AND FUCK THE USA.

and the usa says FUCK YOU RIGHT BACK at least i do for it.!!!!!!!!

yaw blame the usa for shit that gets started and we try to help
yes bush is fucking moron,looks out for the rich and fucks the poor
that is unless your here from mexico illegally then he wants make you a citezen and get ya support,wtf is up with that THEY are ILLEGALS and the law says they should be kicked out and kept out untill the immigrate legally

but NOOOOOOOOOOOO mr bush needs another % of support so he does that.

yaw think everyone in the usa is like that,your dead wrong
i do support the taking the war to them polocy since im a infidel and they want to cut off my head for some god??alla or who ever

but people like me have no say so here,we have no political clout cuase money talks and the poor man aint heard of,

but dont assume all americans are starchy ass pricks like the bush crew
i can see why some support him,those with money want to keep it and they know mr bush will help them with tax breaks while he makes the poverty level people work thier asses off ,asking ya if ya want fries with that
so in 4 years from today
his ass is gone
and i for one hope the next fucker to sit in that seat has a heart.
peace

[NowhereMan]

Higuy, do u think your "GREAT COUNTRY" and your hero Mr.Bush have the right to illegally invade a country, based on a lie, first off bomb them from the air like the fucking cowards you are, then after theres nothing left to bomb, you drive in on your heavily armoured cars and machine guns saying we're here to "liberate" you, THEN create chaos in what once was a stable country, THEN you "accidentally" on "intelligence" bomb housing complexes with women and children inside, killing them, and then thinking it's all ok because its apparently faulty intelligence. George Bush is the worlds worst terrorist alive. It's ok for the leader of a nation to "accidentally" murder innocent women and children, just not anyone else. And just now as I watch the latest news with the man himself saying that he was wrong to go to war on the reasons he had for the whole invasion of Iraq...Wait a minute, first off it was Afghanistan that was reponsible for 9/11, then its iraq, whos next...Fuckin Iceland??? The current american government is the most Arrogant, culturally SICK, self-centred political party on earth and the world would be far better off without America

be better off without alot of things but america aint one of them
as far as saddam not doing anything
your a fucking idiot,he was a mass murder and ruled by killing anyone who went agianst him,so your saying that all those people he killed and tortured are nothing?
i dislike ol gwb with a passion but i love my country
someday it will really be a free nation governed by the people for the people

no other nation gives as much in money and risking of lives to premote the right to elections,religions,and speech.we come to the aid of any nation that ask for it,well almost dont think N korea is on the list,yet

no the usa aint some perfect place ,far from it
its so crowded with cultures from all over not like most nations of one or two peoples we have hundreds of peoples,from indians to chineese,
but its not out to rule the world,or it would be doing so now

i hate when people think all america is the same
thats just ignorance

[IthoughtIknewitall]

Of course bush likes illegal immigrants. Its better to pay hard workers less than minimum wage. It makes his corporate interests more money. Its okay that working Americans must compete for lower wages. DIE BUSH DIE

[IthoughtIknewitall]

This is what eventually will happen. Foreigners and outsourcing of jobs will make all Americans band together, grab their guns, form a guerrilla combat team, and another revolution will take place. I hope I am not to old to kill some foreign invaders.

[KennabisCranium]

I would like to add my comment to this thread but I am not thinking exceptionally clear due to the NHL lockout.

I care much more about hockey than I do anything else. (although the previous statement might have been caused by irrational thought caused by lack of viewing professional hockey). If George W decided to buy a hockey team and get the NHL going again I don't see how that can be bad thing.

[sawleaf]

Lynching Sadam Hussein did NOTHING but cause the world to hate us even more. We took him and he did nothing wrong. ABSOLUTELY NOTHING WRONG.

I am no Bush supporter, but if you think Saddam Hussein is an inocent man then you need to get dropkicked in the face.

[PurplePotatoes]

I am no Bush supporter, but if you think Saddam Hussein is an inocent man then you need to get dropkicked in the face.

Eh, not innocent on everything he does, but there is definitely no WMD's.

[F L E S H]

your a fucking idiot,he was a mass murder and ruled by killing anyone who went agianst him,so your saying that all those people he killed and tortured are nothing?

I am sick and tired of Americans spouting bullshit about how Bush went to Iraq to save the Iraqis who were suffering under Saddam Hussein's violent rule.

Did the US do anything to stop Pol Pot and the Khmer Rouge in Cambodia?
Did the US do anything to stop what happened in Rwanda?
Did the US do anything to stop what's going on in Sudan? (Do any of you have any idea of where that even is?)
Did the US do anything to stop Stalin from killing millions and millions of his own citizens?
Did the US do anything to stop Kim Jong Il from destroying his own people?

The answer is a big fat NO to all of those. I thought the US wanted to promote freedom and democracy and all that other bullshit they talk about... Well it ain't gonna happen unless they got ANOTHER reason to go and invade a country.

Do you really think all of a sudden the president grew a conscience and decided to help the poor Iraqis? If you do, wake up and smell the bush cause you're in for a rude awakening.

[KennabisCranium]

Yo Flesh,
you're a Hab, I woulda figured I'd get some support from you on George W's agenda for getting the NHL going again, eh.


Ken the PotHead

[F L E S H]

Yo Flesh,
you're a Hab, I woulda figured I'd get some support from you on George W's agenda for getting the NHL going again, eh.


Ken the PotHead
lol :D

Yeah, I'm desperate for some NHL action, I'm a big Habs fan, as you guessed.

If Bush wants to buy a Hockey team, that's fine by me, as long as he's not president of the US anymore. Hell, I'm sure he'd be better than Bettman!

[NowhereMan]

I am sick and tired of Americans spouting bullshit about how Bush went to Iraq to save the Iraqis who were suffering under Saddam Hussein's violent rule.

Did the US do anything to stop Pol Pot and the Khmer Rouge in Cambodia?
Did the US do anything to stop what happened in Rwanda?
Did the US do anything to stop what's going on in Sudan? (Do any of you have any idea of where that even is?)
Did the US do anything to stop Stalin from killing millions and millions of his own citizens?
Did the US do anything to stop Kim Jong Il from destroying his own people?

The answer is a big fat NO to all of those. I thought the US wanted to promote freedom and democracy and all that other bullshit they talk about... Well it ain't gonna happen unless they got ANOTHER reason to go and invade a country.

Do you really think all of a sudden the president grew a conscience and decided to help the poor Iraqis? If you do, wake up and smell the bush cause you're in for a rude awakening.

well listen buttwipe
we gotta start somewhere ..so now you saying we should have invaded all them places >?wtf then you just whine your ass off about that saying we taken over the world.our troops are dying for assholes like you in fact i wished they would just PULL OUT OF ALL YAWS LIL MESSES AND LEAVE YA ROT, dont come crying to the usa when you have a regime up your ass
THAT BETTER?
we dont need you as much as you think
people can learn to do without the oil and gas,in time
but ya see the rich need to drive humvies in LA and NYC
and they in fact have more say so than anyone

i didnt say it was the ONLY REASON.just a good one,saddam was a sadistic bitch and he needsa his head cut the hell off,
saddam needed his sick ass taken the fuck out and he pushed the wrong butons and got it done
so if you think the usa should have left iraq to one day invade and kill off its enemies/nieghbors then
fuck you,
those who will one day have a chioce in who runs thier country would tell you the same,sure the hardcore murdering shitheads will say its all about oil
but its not,im still paying $2 a gallon and my ass dont care if any WMD was found ,any nation to want my nation destroyed ,SHOULD BE TREATED LIKE WISE,and mister ill be the first to defend the innocent,
but the usa is not out to take over anything
if it wanted it,it would have it,who would stop it,?
russia ? china? mexico.,?
maybe canada?

i dont support bush,in fact cant stand his ass
but bush IS NOT AMERICA
4 yrs he is gone
4 yrs from today in fact


so all the anti american shit pukes me
we try at least wtf has your nation did for anyone ever
lets see the list mr smartass
how much does yours spend on other nations safety,even when it hurts your own?
if america would pull out of the national scene the world would be at war.
we in fact stand between so many that would kill each other over religions
shit look at the gaza strip mess .....they want to just exterminate each other over GOD
fuk im waisting my time with you so hell with it

[KennabisCranium]

better than Bettman, THAT is fuckin' funny!!!!!!!!!

[F L E S H]

NowhereMan, really, no need for all the insults.

But my point is that the reason you give, wanting to stop Saddam, is not a valid reason at all, it's a smoke screen, a sham, public relations, and I'm afraid you've fallen for it, as have many Americans. I speak in all honesty when I say I'm NOT anti-American, I love the States, the American culture, hell, New York is the greatest city in the world if you ask me, it's just that your government has been lying to you and manipulating you for a long long time, and even more ever since Bush came in.

The rhetoric of 'freedom and democracy' would be valid, if only the US tried to apply it everywhere, not just Iraq. Let's look back at how this whole thing started, shall we? 9-11 happened, and the hunt for Bin Laden is on, the US and many other countries (including Canada) send forces into Afghanistan to root out the Taliban, the government which is supporting Bin Laden. Well, it worked to a certin degree, the Taliban was ousted, a new 'democratic' government runs Afghanistan, but we still didn't find Bin Laden. Then, FOR NO REASON WHATSOEVER, the talk shifts to Iraq. No one ever mentions the atrocities of Saddam against his people, only that he's hiding WMDs and hiding Bin Laden, even though it was a well-established fact the he and Bin Laden had no relationship whatsoever.

It's called a diversion. Shift the attention of the people in one direction, so that they don't see what's going on the other side. Sort of like when some goes, "hey! look over there!" and then runs away.

I will say that Saddam Hussein was a monster of a man, that is not in question. But just sit down a minute and think for yourself, don't listen to the media (mouthpieces for the government, all of them). Why so gung-ho about Saddam, when so many other governments have done the same, if not worse, to their people, yet there was no action on the part of Americans to help anyone? I think it's because there's nothing worthwhile economically for the US in Cambodia, it's mostly jungle. There's nothing worthwhile economically in the Sudan or Rwanda, it's in Africa (nobody cares about Africans, there not as evolved as us, right?) (I won't say anything about Stalin because American policy in the 30s was different than today's, also the US was busy trying to build its own empire in central America to compete with the British and French.)

Stop repeating what the media is telling you, and think for yourself. You don't need any sort of special knowledge, the facts are hidden there all along, just remember the chronology of events, and you'll see it makes no sense at all.

[F L E S H]

(sorry for double post)

Oh, and another thing, what did Canada ever do for anybody?

Let's see, my personal favorite is the War of 1812, when Americans try to invade but fail miserably. How about WW1, we were there from the beginning, and we fought at key battles, Canadian troops were world-renowned for their toughness and courage (read a non-American history book, you might find out more). We fought in WW2, again from the very beginning, and our troops were vital in the invasions, such as D-Day and the re-taking of Italy. Our prime-minister negotiated a peace treaty at the end of the Suez Canal crisis on 1956 and averted what could have been another big war, and won a Nobel Peace Prize for it (Lester B. Pearson). We are a country loved and respected around the world for our peace keeping efforts since then, in such places as Somalia, Bosnia, Kosovo, Rwanda. There's a lot more, but that's what I can think of off the top of my head.

Canada has done a lot, it's just that Americans don't know about it, or pretend not to know....

[KennabisCranium]

yes, be nice to the canucks.

They're our neighbors to the north, eh.
they got really good beer, eh.
they play great sports, eh (hockey, lacrosse, barrel jumping)
they got very potent mj in BC, eh.
did I mention great beer, eh.

I've been to most of the 11 Provinces up in Canada (no Yukon or Nova Scotia yet). take off you yankee hosers who don't know 'boot The Great White North, eh.

[NowhereMan]

(sorry for double post)

Oh, and another thing, what did Canada ever do for anybody?

Let's see, my personal favorite is the War of 1812, when Americans try to invade but fail miserably. How about WW1, we were there from the beginning, and we fought at key battles, Canadian troops were world-renowned for their toughness and courage (read a non-American history book, you might find out more). We fought in WW2, again from the very beginning, and our troops were vital in the invasions, such as D-Day and the re-taking of Italy. Our prime-minister negotiated a peace treaty at the end of the Suez Canal crisis on 1956 and averted what could have been another big war, and won a Nobel Peace Prize for it (Lester B. Pearson). We are a country loved and respected around the world for our peace keeping efforts since then, in such places as Somalia, Bosnia, Kosovo, Rwanda. There's a lot more, but that's what I can think of off the top of my head.

Canada has done a lot, it's just that Americans don't know about it, or pretend not to know....


oh i thank the canadians for all the done for the ALLIES
just wanted to see if you had a piont of view on that
and i will apologize for my crankyness
just dont knock america becuase bush bought a election
the real facts are plian
i wanted saddam out of the worlds hiar so to speak
now that he is i want our troops home,
i for one would say let them fend for thier self
im sure bush has more on his agenda,
but that aint all of the usa and you seem on the usa bashing wagon to me
excuse me if im wrong but i aint no bush supporter,far from it

just a american supporter
tired of being called brianwashed sheep
i aint one,i dont believe cnn,or the bbc

i am gratefull of the way canada has acted in past conflicts
so many died in wars to date its uncountable

we lost men in somalia over bill pussyface clintons inactions
have no idea why them assholes would let any nation suffer thru shit like warlords and druglords,i hate what the usa does in columbia,ect

we cant free the world ,
we dont even try to but we will come to any nations rescue that ask us
and yes the usa was ask by Kuwiat? in gulf war
and this war is to me the same dam one
unfinished bizz,should have taken him out then and there
agian im no big bad flag waving america does no wrong type
far from it
i just know the heart of the usa people is in right place and the money the powermongers have do all the polocy making,not our hearts.
we agree on many things ,
and i like to invoke responses ,agian sorry for my harsh ness
i'm so used to talking to idiots ,that i lose track of my perspective
you seem very educated and as if you really care and for that i will say
thanks,but dont put the usa people down,we are stuck with a ruling class of assholes who think their shit dont stink,
peace to you and yours

[psychocat]

NowhereMan, really, no need for all the insults.

But my point is that the reason you give, wanting to stop Saddam, is not a valid reason at all, it's a smoke screen, a sham, public relations, and I'm afraid you've fallen for it, as have many Americans. I speak in all honesty when I say I'm NOT anti-American, I love the States, the American culture, hell, New York is the greatest city in the world if you ask me, it's just that your government has been lying to you and manipulating you for a long long time, and even more ever since Bush came in.

The rhetoric of 'freedom and democracy' would be valid, if only the US tried to apply it everywhere, not just Iraq. Let's look back at how this whole thing started, shall we? 9-11 happened, and the hunt for Bin Laden is on, the US and many other countries (including Canada) send forces into Afghanistan to root out the Taliban, the government which is supporting Bin Laden. Well, it worked to a certin degree, the Taliban was ousted, a new 'democratic' government runs Afghanistan, but we still didn't find Bin Laden. Then, FOR NO REASON WHATSOEVER, the talk shifts to Iraq. No one ever mentions the atrocities of Saddam against his people, only that he's hiding WMDs and hiding Bin Laden, even though it was a well-established fact the he and Bin Laden had no relationship whatsoever.

It's called a diversion. Shift the attention of the people in one direction, so that they don't see what's going on the other side. Sort of like when some goes, "hey! look over there!" and then runs away.

I will say that Saddam Hussein was a monster of a man, that is not in question. But just sit down a minute and think for yourself, don't listen to the media (mouthpieces for the government, all of them). Why so gung-ho about Saddam, when so many other governments have done the same, if not worse, to their people, yet there was no action on the part of Americans to help anyone? I think it's because there's nothing worthwhile economically for the US in Cambodia, it's mostly jungle. There's nothing worthwhile economically in the Sudan or Rwanda, it's in Africa (nobody cares about Africans, there not as evolved as us, right?) (I won't say anything about Stalin because American policy in the 30s was different than today's, also the US was busy trying to build its own empire in central America to compete with the British and French.)

Stop repeating what the media is telling you, and think for yourself. You don't need any sort of special knowledge, the facts are hidden there all along, just remember the chronology of events, and you'll see it makes no sense at all.


The problem with both the Taliban and Saddam was that they are former allies of the US , the CIA had a hand in helping the taliban, and the Baath party which in essence was Saddam also recieved "help" from the US.





Why did Saddam Husseinâ??s regime collapse without a fight?
Bush topples an old U.S. ally

April 18, 2003 | Page 8
ONLY TWO weeks after Iraqi resistance to the U.S. invasion became a source of pride for people across the Middle East, the Iraqi regime collapsed--seemingly overnight. "We are all in shock. How did things come to such an end?...Where is the resistance? This collapse is puzzling â?¦How come Baghdad falls so easily," asked Abu Dhabi Television correspondent Shaker Hamed. In Iraq, it appeared that thousands of soldiers and even Republican Guards--supposedly the bulwark of Saddam Husseinâ??s power--deserted.

Why did the Iraqi state--after confounding George W. Bushâ??s advisersâ?? predictions of a U.S. "cakewalk" in the first weeks of the war--collapse? As LANCE SELFA and PAUL Dâ??AMATO show, the answers to this question lie in the Iraqi regime and its history of repression at home and collaboration with imperialism abroad.

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THE MODERN Iraqi state emerged from a revolution against the British-imposed monarchy in 1958. The 1958 revolution was part of the nationalist, anti-imperialist fervor that swept the Middle East following Gamel Abdel Nasserâ??s nationalist military coup against the British-backed monarchy in Egypt in 1952.

An Iraqi coup led by officer Abdel Kareem Qasim unleashed a wave of popular struggle from below in 1958. Peasants seized large landholdings. Workers went on strike. The Communist Party (CP) emerged from illegality to dominate the leadership of the workersâ??, peasantsâ?? and studentsâ?? movements and held large-scale influence in the military.

Qasim proclaimed a republic, kicked out British military bases and announced Iraqâ??s alignment with the Eastern bloc in the Cold War. The new government decreed a wide-ranging land reform. It even granted autonomy to the Kurds.

As the second major nationalist leader in the Middle East, Qasim posed a challenge to Nasser and his followers. Qasimâ??s government rested on an unstable alliance between communists, nationalists and Nasserites. These factional battles led Qasim first to lurch to the left, issuing decrees the communists supported, and then to lurch to the right, attacking the Kurds in the north. Nasserâ??s supporters in the Iraqi army blocked with the Baath Party to form a conservative nationalist opposition to Qasim.

The Baath Party, formed in 1947 in Syria, stood for developing a single Arab nation from among the collection of states Western imperialism had created after the First World War. To accomplish this, they supported a one-party authoritarian state that would subjugate all conflicting social, class and political interests to the will of the "nation." Because of their anti-communism and opposition to Qasim, the Baathists won covert support from the CIA.

In 1963, the Baathists and other nationalist military officers overthrew and killed Qasim. The CIA supplied lists of communists to the Baath security apparatus--whose chief operative was Saddam Hussein--which used them to liquidate the leaders of the CP, the trade unions and other social organizations.

Building up support in the military and the security apparatus, the Baathists felt strong enough to eliminate most of their remaining coalition partners in 1968, establishing a Baathist dictatorship.

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AS SECOND in command of the Baath Party and vice president of the governing Revolutionary Command Council, Saddam Hussein built up the security forces that became the real power in the Iraqi government. Through state terror, the Baathists established control over every social and political organization in the country--from sports clubs to political parties.

With the backing of U.S. Secretary of State Henry Kissinger, Kurdish groups allied with Iraqâ??s regional competitor, Iran, rose up against the dictatorship in 1974. In response, Saddam and the Shah of Iran announced a 1975 agreement that settled border disputes between Iraq and Iran and severed Iranâ??s link to the Kurds. The U.S. tossed the Kurds overboard.

The Iranian revolution that overthrew the Shah in 1979 raised a new challenge to the Iraqi regime. The defeat of the Shahâ??s tyranny appealed to Iraqis--the majority of whom, like Iranians, follow the Shia branch of Islam.

For the next decade, Saddam, who became the countryâ??s president in 1979, concentrated on containing the Islamist "threat" from Iran. In this task, he found a willing ally in Washington, where the loss of the Shah presented a great foreign policy crisis.

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source http://www.socialistworker.org/2003-1/449/449_08_RegimeCollapse.shtml

[Nullific]

we gotta start somewhere ..so now you saying we should have invaded all them places >?wtf then you just whine your ass off about that saying we taken over the world.our troops are dying for assholes like you in fact i wished they would just PULL OUT OF ALL YAWS LIL MESSES AND LEAVE YA ROT, dont come crying to the usa when you have a regime up your ass
Diplomacy is hard, war is easy.


so all the anti american shit pukes me
we try at least wtf has your nation did for anyone ever
Do you know how many democratic governments the US has helped overthrow?

Did you know that Bush gave the Taliban $43 million for halting growth of opium poppies? That didn't stop them from producing heroin however.

I still feel that there is something very odd about the 9/11, for those of you who think there is no such thing as corporate/government conspiracies, read a history book. Not the one you got from school. The Emperor Wears No Clothes (look at my signature) explains the huge conspiracy for prohibiting marijuana.

[Nullific]

Oh, and the reseaon that I "hate" america (I am American) and cannot wait to leave this country is essentially because it seems the citizens are either apathetic, stupid or ignorant. There are two mainstream political parties, both of which are corrupt, nobody pays attention to current events to the extent of say, looking at what foriegn news sources have to say because american media is full of shit, no one seems to care when USA PATRIOT ACT passes or when it even appears that any civil rights what so ever are being taken away for any reason, no cares that the war on drugs is a $33 billion waste of money and resources.

[cannabinoid]

i love my country and will fight and defend it against all opinionated faggot enemies. but bush didn't go after the terrorists, he went after his own adgenda. he's a liar and a dumbass and he's got you fooled. There are 100's of other tyrannical governments who actually threaten us with nukes. How come we don't go after them too? Could it be because they don't have any oil?

[Torog]

Oh, and the reseaon that I "hate" america (I am American) and cannot wait to leave this country is essentially because it seems the citizens are either apathetic, stupid or ignorant. There are two mainstream political parties, both of which are corrupt, nobody pays attention to current events to the extent of say, looking at what foriegn news sources have to say because american media is full of shit, no one seems to care when USA PATRIOT ACT passes or when it even appears that any civil rights what so ever are being taken away for any reason, no cares that the war on drugs is a $33 billion waste of money and resources.
Howdy Nullific,

Americans ain't as bad as you think they are and you should have more faith in them-to do the right thing. Americans do care about their country and other countries,more so than anyone else..sometimes to a fault.

I f you don't like the American ideal,that all folks deserve Freedom..then maybe being an American-ain't for you. Perhaps,you are of the ilk,that thinks-"I've got my freedom-screw everyone else" ?

America,is the "Shining City on the Hill",we are a beacon of hope-for billions through-out the world..if standing for Liberty and Justice for all-ain't your cup of tea-then by all means..denounce your American citizenship and go huntin for the socialist utopia,that you so crave.

There are several Canadian Immigration workshops in the US,for those Americans like you. In no time at all,you'll find yourself on bended knee..pledging allegiance to the Queen..and spend the rest of your days-kissing her royal behind.

America--Love it ..or leave it !

Have a good one...Torog

[psychocat]

Howdy Nullific,

Americans ain't as bad as you think they are and you should have more faith in them-to do the right thing. Americans do care about their country and other countries,more so than anyone else..sometimes to a fault.

I f you don't like the American ideal,that all folks deserve Freedom..then maybe being an American-ain't for you. Perhaps,you are of the ilk,that thinks-"I've got my freedom-screw everyone else" ?

America,is the "Shining City on the Hill",we are a beacon of hope-for billions through-out the world..if standing for Liberty and Justice for all-ain't your cup of tea-then by all means..denounce your American citizenship and go huntin for the socialist utopia,that you so crave.

There are several Canadian Immigration workshops in the US,for those Americans like you. In no time at all,you'll find yourself on bended knee..pledging allegiance to the Queen..and spend the rest of your days-kissing her royal behind.

America--Love it ..or leave it !

Have a good one...Torog

The whole point of freedom is the right to choose yet the US has shown contempt for the democratic process on more than one occassion.
Support for Pinochet against a duly appointed democratically chosen "communist" leader.
The idea that "communists" are evil is ridiculous , the paranoia shown in it's dealings with anyone who does not conform to the american ideal is insane and the propoganda machine goes haywire , what is americas obsession with "enemies"??
It seems to me if you don't agree with a yank you MUST be his or her enemy ???????? WTF ??
Another point I have noticed is the inability to argue their point leads to an attempt to ridicule or to discredit those with an opposite view.
The level of ineptitude in dealing with home problems (enron / microsofts monopoly) (pharmaceutical rip offs) should be your main concern .
This whole war on terror is just a big smoke screen.

[Torog]

The whole point of freedom is the right to choose yet the US has shown contempt for the democratic process on more than one occassion.
Support for Pinochet against a duly appointed democratically chosen "communist" leader.
The idea that "communists" are evil is ridiculous , the paranoia shown in it's dealings with anyone who does not conform to the american ideal is insane and the propoganda machine goes haywire , what is americas obsession with "enemies"??
It seems to me if you don't agree with a yank you MUST be his or her enemy ???????? WTF ??
Another point I have noticed is the inability to argue their point leads to an attempt to ridicule or to discredit those with an opposite view.
The level of ineptitude in dealing with home problems (enron / microsofts monopoly) (pharmaceutical rip offs) should be your main concern .
This whole war on terror is just a big smoke screen.
Howdy psychocat,

The point is,is that Freedom ain't free--and there are always enemies of Freedom..if you don't agree that everyone deserves Freedom-where does that put you ?

Neither I nor anyone else,has ever claimed that America is perfect..however,I do believe that Americans can solve the problems we have-and continue to liberate folks from tryanny. Despite the best efforts of Man-the flames of Freedom,continue to burn brightly and un-tamed..at some point,all folks yearn for Freedom..and if it be God's Will-then by God-we will free those who are oppressed..and no darkness will extinguish the flames of Freedom.

Now is the time-for all good men--to stand against the darkness of tryanny-and extinguish the darkness of tyranny...will you harken to the call ?

Or will you sit comfortably in your home,taking your Fredom for granted..until they finally come for you ?

Have a good one...Torog

[psychocat]

The rhetoric does not impress , it just convinces me that you are a fanatic who refuses to address the issues I raised and you have done exactly what I expected you to.
I believe in freedom but freedom means the freedom to tell the US to fuck off and mind its own business,,,,, or not???
Theres such a thing as sticking you're nose in where it isn't wanted , the US goverment has absolutely no right to tell another country how to do things , the "World Police" is how the US sees itself but they aren't.
Dictating to someone else (even for their own good (if you believe the bullshit propaganda)) is not promoting freedom , it's like saying you can do what you wish as long as it fits my ideals and sod what you really want.
Not everyone in this world wishes to be american , contrary to what you seem to believe some of us prefer our own countries , we don't all want to be like the US , we don't all think it is the massive success you seem to think it is , and many of us believe you should stop interfering in shit that has nothing to do with you ,and many find the US ideal nothing more than bull.
This whole "enemy" bull , I still think the paranoia is out of control.
Every day I thank god I don't live in the "good old USA".

[Nullific]

Freedom? Did I not mention the USA PATRIOT ACT?

I think Team America: World Police best described our government with "AMERICA...FUCK YEAH!" and I also believe this is the idealogy Torog holds so deeply, which is sad.


I f you don't like the American ideal,that all folks deserve Freedom..then maybe being an American-ain't for you.
So I don't like how this "free country" is being operated, I suppose instead of voicing my opinions as an America I should simply vanish with my thoughts so as not to interfere with Bush's master plan eh?

I don't care what happened on 9/11, I don't give a fuck whether we went to Iraq for oil or to "liberate the people", I don't care about any potential "terrorist" threats to America...all that bullshit aside, anybody who says:
"There ought to be limits... there ought to be limits...there ought to be limits to ahh, to freedom."
SHOULD NOT BE THE PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES...PERIOD.

[sawleaf]

Eh, not innocent on everything he does, but there is definitely no WMD's.

True, the WMD was just a lame excuse for Bush to roll into Iraq. But Saddam did gas his own people and have thousands killed and buried in mass graves.

[F L E S H]

True, the WMD was just a lame excuse for Bush to roll into Iraq. But Saddam did gas his own people and have thousands killed and buried in mass graves.

That's true Sawleaf, and for that getting rid of Saddam was good, I guess.

But like I said in another post, there were so many horrible in the world and so many horrible and bloody civil conflicts, but the US didn't do anything about them. There was Pol Pot in Cambodia, I don't remember any air strikes ordered against him (I use this example a lot because my girlfriend's family used to live there, but managed to escape to Canada in 1981, I believe). There is currently a very deadly war going in Sudan right now. North Korea is a virtual prison state.

This is my problem Torog, and I'm sure a lot of people's problems.

"Americans ain't as bad as you think they are and you should have more faith in them-to do the right thing. Americans do care about their country and other countries,more so than anyone else..sometimes to a fault."

When will you understand that America doesn't give a flying fuck about people? When will you notice that only people you're trying to 'liberate' are the people in the Middle-East? There are bad dictators all around the world, yet Bush probably can't even pronounce their names because they don't have valuable resources that you could use.

Hmmm... Is it a coincidence that Iraq has one of the largest oil reserves in the world? Probably not, right?

[psychocat]

With you 100% there dude.

[sawleaf]

That's true Sawleaf, and for that getting rid of Saddam was good, I guess.

But like I said in another post, there were so many horrible in the world and so many horrible and bloody civil conflicts, but the US didn't do anything about them. There was Pol Pot in Cambodia, I don't remember any air strikes ordered against him (I use this example a lot because my girlfriend's family used to live there, but managed to escape to Canada in 1981, I believe). There is currently a very deadly war going in Sudan right now. North Korea is a virtual prison state.

This is my problem Torog, and I'm sure a lot of people's problems.

"Americans ain't as bad as you think they are and you should have more faith in them-to do the right thing. Americans do care about their country and other countries,more so than anyone else..sometimes to a fault."

When will you understand that America doesn't give a flying fuck about people? When will you notice that only people you're trying to 'liberate' are the people in the Middle-East? There are bad dictators all around the world, yet Bush probably can't even pronounce their names because they don't have valuable resources that you could use.

Hmmm... Is it a coincidence that Iraq has one of the largest oil reserves in the world? Probably not, right?

Well I believe the US does care about people, but just not enough to justify spending government money without getting something back in return. It is sad, but we are pretty much a selective ally. Give us something in return and we will help you out.

[NowhereMan]

The whole point of freedom is the right to choose yet the US has shown contempt for the democratic process on more than one occassion.
Support for Pinochet against a duly appointed democratically chosen "communist" leader.
The idea that "communists" are evil is ridiculous , the paranoia shown in it's dealings with anyone who does not conform to the american ideal is insane and the propoganda machine goes haywire , what is americas obsession with "enemies"??
It seems to me if you don't agree with a yank you MUST be his or her enemy ???????? WTF ??
Another point I have noticed is the inability to argue their point leads to an attempt to ridicule or to discredit those with an opposite view.
The level of ineptitude in dealing with home problems (enron / microsofts monopoly) (pharmaceutical rip offs) should be your main concern .
This whole war on terror is just a big smoke screen.


uphold us to ideas of what you think we should be and call us lacking in action


a old saying comes to mind

"you dont know your ass from a hole in the ground"

[F L E S H]

Well I believe the US does care about people, but just not enough to justify spending government money without getting something back in return. It is sad, but we are pretty much a selective ally. Give us something in return and we will help you out.
I think you're almost right... It's more like "You have something we want, we will therefore create a problem, get rid of, and take control."

[F L E S H]

(sorry for double post again :D)

Are Americans really concerned with democracy and freedom? Well, tell me this. How many Americans know what happened in the Ukraine a few months ago? What sort of media coverage did that get in the US?

I'm not gonna go into specifics, cause if you don't know, find out for yourself. Suffice to say that if the US does indeed care for democracy and freedom all over the world, they would have certainly made some public remarks about the situation, yet I didn't hear about anything.

[psychocat]

uphold us to ideas of what you think we should be and call us lacking in action


a old saying comes to mind

"you dont know your ass from a hole in the ground"

And this is supposed to convince me of my errors in thinking???
You have actualy confirmed what I said about name calling and attempts to ridicule in an effort to avoid addressing the issues I raised.
I love it when people do exactly what I expected.
As for what I think of what the US should be , it should be more interested in sorting out the homeland instead of messing in the politics of others. Simple!

[rajking86]

What GREAT freedoms do we americans have?

Not a muthafuckin thing, everyday some bullshti republican law is being passed to further surpress our freedom. how can a weed smoker like you torog be so conservative and bush-loving?

[F L E S H]

Cause he doesn't know that (gasp!) smoking weed funds terrorists!

[Nullific]

Torog his mentioned having back-pain and that his wife is liberal, so my theory is that he probably thought marijuana was for tree hugging liberals until he started having back pains and was introduced to it "medicinally" by his wife. Then ended up liking it it too much and thus uses the pain as justification to get high. Or maybe im wrong completely.

[Delta9]

George Bush can invade any country he damn well feels like.
And I would be proud to carry out a violent drug induced guerrilla movement against the muslim world any day.
So bring it on you rag-headed motherfuckers.

[Delta9]

And when you are in a sluggish sleep the muslims will dig deep so that they may have you begging for your life at the tips of there feet.

[Delta9]

Don't give in.
Don't jack it in.
No, don't you quit.
Don't submit.
No don't submit.

[Delta9]

Try try try try
try try try try
try try try try
try try try try
Let they be your sheep
Let truth be your soul.
don't give in
don't jack it in
don't submitt
don't give in.

[Delta9]

George Bush Lies?

Kinda' like when you lie to your Daddy when he asks you if you been smoking marijuana.

You white trash piece of shit.

[Delta9]

Thats why you should go to the store and buy another case of budweiser.
Savior that flavor sniper it may be your last.

[Delta9]

What's the fucking problem with Dick Chenny?
He's one of the best goddamn Vice Presidents this countries ever had.

And I know all you Euro's are looking at this Delta9 guy and saying: that He's exactly whats wrong with America.

Yea we'll fuck you Europe.
And Fuck you Americans that ran to B.C.

pussy motherfuckers.
Up there hiding like a bunch a little school girls.

[Delta9]

It's called Alcoholism.
And thats what Delta9 is all about.
Thats what every American should be about.
Thats what every Arabian should be about.
So fuck Buddha.
And Fuck Jesus.
And fuck God.

[Delta9]

Fight fire with fire!

[PurplePotatoes]

What... The... Hell...

We aren't having a drug induced guerilla movement, I would be all for one, against G.W. Bush. In fact, let's kill those towel heads, kill those stupid ass AIDs infested blacks in Africa, those lazy mexicans south of the boarder, and the stupid fat people in America that take up too much room and breathe all the air. I wouldn't mind killing a few politicians for not shutting up. And I'm all for alcoholism, Bush should go back to drinking, let's hope he gets alcohol poisoning.

Love,
Purple Potatoes.

[Delta9]

That cool I'm for killing ragheads, but, Lets leave South America be.
And I hope Bush starts Drinking again too. Mabey He'll snort a couple lines with us too.

[Delta9]

mR. President needs a drink.
I need a fucking drink.
Y tambien La Cocaina!

[Delta9]

Hell bent, Hell bent for leather!
George is hell bent for leather.

[Delta9]

We can't fuck with South America.
South America is the Drug capital of the world man.

The Middle east?
The Middle east is a fucking hole.

[F L E S H]

We can't fuck with South America.
South America is the Drug capital of the world man.

The Middle east?
The Middle east is a fucking hole.
A big hole filled with oil, yes.

[Epic]

We all have to chill with the pres bashing/praising. Especially in a place where you know its just going to cause hate. I'm all for free speech but lets not all throw shit at eachother over something that varries greatly in opinion.

As much a I hate to say it, lets just all cool down over this post.

[1e64102e]

Take that shit away. Why is there even a politics forum on a site about smoking some herb? We just want to get high and be friends with each other. Politics is meaningless anyway. If people can't get access to voting machines (like in OHIO) the election told us nothing.

[Delta9]

Chemical warfare.

[Delta9]

And for all my ranting and raving on my previous posting the KKK will be allowed to beat me with axe-handles and pistol-butts, Cause delta9 is the biggest white trash pansy of them all.

[NowhereMan]

And this is supposed to convince me of my errors in thinking???
You have actualy confirmed what I said about name calling and attempts to ridicule in an effort to avoid addressing the issues I raised.
I love it when people do exactly what I expected.
As for what I think of what the US should be , it should be more interested in sorting out the homeland instead of messing in the politics of others. Simple!

no actually i dont like you much
and felt that your crap is way to over paraniod or something


but fact is
america is made up of so many cultures that those that hate the usa
just run around bashing it
like you do in my opinion
and quiet frankly
i dont gotta anser to you
you so called Details
are bullshit to me
how do ya answer bullshit
with more of it
or ignore it
peace

[NowhereMan]

Fight fire with fire!


man thats one scary mofo'
looks like he could be my nieghbor
sadly
its safe nowhere

[NowhereMan]

George Bush Lies?

Kinda' like when you lie to your Daddy when he asks you if you been smoking marijuana.

You white trash piece of shit.


i for one must say
this guy has issues



i dont like bush
cant say i know a muslim
i might have no idea if i do or not
it dont matter

i sure know some white trash

they aint all bad
just like all walks of life they are big idiots and lil idiots
aND the idiots in the middle

mr bush has deceaved us then
hows that?
i dont hate those who voted for him
not happy with it but ,then agian i wasnt that big of a kerry fan iether
lesser of two assholes

and racist pricks is the cuase of most wars so that generalizing every muslim is just stupid of ya calling them towel heads ?
haha so origanal too
how did ya ever come up with that one i wonder
oh yea CNN i forget
never mind

[XTC]

It seems like most people on this board either side with the far right wing... You know the type the bible thumping, hummer driving, seal beating, oil raping, gay hating, money burning Hypocrites. Or the far left side, you know the type The Bong smoking, incense buring, touchy feely, hypocrites. I am not saying people on the board are like this, but the people who they fair are like. Are their anyone in the middle of the road? You know the type Fence sitting, bong smoking, last minute acting, non voting so they can bitch at whoever wins hypocrites?

[psychocat]

Nah !! No Frenchmen at all that I know of .

[NowhereMan]

It seems like most people on this board either side with the far right wing... You know the type the bible thumping, hummer driving, seal beating, oil raping, gay hating, money burning Hypocrites. Or the far left side, you know the type The Bong smoking, incense buring, touchy feely, hypocrites. I am not saying people on the board are like this, but the people who they fair are like. Are their anyone in the middle of the road? You know the type Fence sitting, bong smoking, last minute acting, non voting so they can bitch at whoever wins hypocrites?


man tell me how
you just described all my nieghbors.?

[F L E S H]

It seems like most people on this board either side with the far right wing... You know the type the bible thumping, hummer driving, seal beating, oil raping, gay hating, money burning Hypocrites. Or the far left side, you know the type The Bong smoking, incense buring, touchy feely, hypocrites. I am not saying people on the board are like this, but the people who they fair are like. Are their anyone in the middle of the road? You know the type Fence sitting, bong smoking, last minute acting, non voting so they can bitch at whoever wins hypocrites?

Everybody is somewhere in the middle, even Torog, though he would never admit it. But it seems to be the American way to see only 2 sides to every matter. Republican vs Democrat, left vs right, me vs you, us vs them.

Nothing is black and white, it's all shades of grey. Bush is completely wrong when he says crap like 'either you're with us, or you're against us.' Sadly, with the bi-partisan political system in place in the States, it's really hard to go the 'sensible' route, weighing the pros and cons of each side of the debate. IMHO, getting rid of this out-dated bi-partisan crap would probably be the first step in solving a great deal of problems in the US.

It's just common sense, really.... How is it possible that a country with over 300,000,000 people can only have 2 (!!) parties to choose from?

[Delta9]

Yes, thank's to the bloodsuckers.
You might wan't to check youeself for a microcantilever implant.
The bloodsuckers don't like the subversives.

[Delta9]

those drug sensing cantilevers will get ya'.

[Delta9]

They'er fucking Nazis!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Delta9]

We might as well have Phil Donahue run the U.S.

[sawleaf]

Hey Delta 9, please stop your post whoring. You do know that you can fit multiple sentances and even paragraphs(yeah I know, it's truely amazing) into a single post. Less posts mean more people will actually read your ranting lunacy instead of skipping through it.

[Nullific]

You know I reread all of your statements, over and over...but still

[Delta9]

okay I'll make sure I stop compulsively posting messages.

Thanks for your advice.

[F L E S H]

Sawleaf's saying post all you want, but there's no need for 5 consecutive 1 sentence-long posts...

[sawleaf]

Sawleaf's saying post all you want, but there's no need for 5 consecutive 1 sentence-long posts...

Yeah, that's pretty much it. Thanks Flesh. :)

[Delta9]

Actually the courts verdict is the deciding factor of my life.

[easton]

Shut up all you hippies....

GO BUSH, HE'S JUST CLEANING UP CLINTONS MESS AND MAKING GENERATIONS SAFER

[amsterdam]

it's funny to hear people refer to bush as a nazi.im sure they have never visited a country with a brutal regime.they would't be able to freely say the thing's they do without fear of having their tongue's cut out.i went to school with a saudi and she said they still talk in a whisper when speaking negative way about the govt.i am not an genius but that is a bit leaning "nazi" don't you think?

[Nullific]

Lately we're being told that it's either (a) inappropriate or (b) untrue to refer to Bush's illegitimate junta as Nazi, neo-Nazi or neofascist. Because, you know, you're not necessarily a Nazi just because you seize power like one, take advantage of a national Reichstag Fire-like tragedy like one, build concentration and death camps like one, start unprovoked wars like one, Red-bait your liberal opponents like one or create a national security apparatus that behaves like something a Nazi would create and even has a Nazi-sounding name. All of those people who see a little Adolf in the not-so-bright eyes of America's homeland-grown despot are just imagining things.
Me, I'm catching it for this week's cartoon for daring to suggest that, well--you know.
Of course, there are differences. Hitler, for example, was legally elected. And he had a plan--not one that I like, but a plan--for the period after the war.
I'll be happy to stop comparing Bush to Hitler when he stops acting like him.
Ted Rall

[amsterdam]

what election didn't bush win?what concentration camps?i think it looks to anyone who is able to put their own personal prblems and hatred to the side that thing's are beginning to look a little different in iraq.even the french are singing a different tune.i would challenge nullific to bring ANY evidence that bush lost either election and post it.i know for a fact he can't.i said FACT'S,not whack job conspiracy idea's.never in all the investigations has there ever been any evidence of any voter fraud.ever.unless you are thinking of the two union members of moveon.org who got 6 years for voter intimidation or the guy who is being sentenced next week for actually accepting CRACK COCAINE,to register michael jordan,tiger woods,and such.let's see what you got.

[Nullific]

Call it a conspiracy, it is one, conspiracies do happen. Open a fucking history book and tell me there are no such thing as conspiracies, not these days though right? Look into this huge conspiracy (which does involve the Bush family actually) which is the reason marijauna is illegal. http://www.jackherer.com/chapters.html and tell me there are no conspiracies.

Funny how for the 2000 election George Bushs' campaign women Katherine Harris, who happens to be secretary of state in Florida paid a Database Technologies $4 million to go through the Florida voter rolls to remove ex-felons who cannot legally vote in Florida. They removed more than ex-felons, also people with similiar social security numbers, names, birthdates to keep thousands of african americans from voting. 90% of them would have voted democrat. Don't believe me? Type 'Katherine Harris Database technologies' into ANY search engine.
Thats a whole bunch of other bullshit, like Georgies cousin over at Fox News announcing him president even before the ballots were counted, the US Supreme court wanting to appoint another republican judge as one was retiring etc.
Hell, here it is: http://www.thenation.com/doc.mhtml?i=20010205&s=palast
http://www.freepressed.com/kay-truths.htm

The 2004 election used touch voting screen which left NO PAPER TRIAL, how are you going to have an election with no paper trial? What kind of a democracy is that?
http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/2004votefraud.html

Concentration camps? Try Guantánamo Bay.
http://web.amnesty.org/pages/guantanamobay-index-eng
http://www.guardian.co.uk/guantanamo/story/0,13743,1318153,00.html

[amsterdam]

asking someone to get factual information from web-sites like"jackherer,freepressed,whatreallyhappened,andamnest y"is too funny!are you joking?like i said conspiracy theory humor.they used a touch acreen to keep the fucking IDIOTS from screwing up again.and with gitmo,those mass graves and gas chambers are soooooo scary.is that all you got conspiracy man.not to mention that recounting the votes 4 times in florida 2000 violated the law.it's to bad gore couldn't make up enough votes in timethe supreme court didn't give w the win.they rulrd the constant recount's UNCONSTITUTIONAL.

[Nullific]

You didn't even go to the sites did you?
Jack Herer is actually the author of a book called The Emperor Wears No Clothes about the history of marijuana, how it is illegal to protect certain industries such as the lumber, alcohol, tobacco and pharmacueticals. There is a $100,000 reward for anybody that can disprove it. If you had followed the link you would have known that, but appearently you wish to remain ignorant and continue to listen to mainstream media.
How are you going to say a source isn't credible because of its domain name? That is such bullshit, you cannot just deny this happened go out and speak with any one of the thousands of african americans who should have legally been allowed to vote but were instead turned away at the polls. They could have recounted the votes all they wanted, all that shit about 'chads' was total bull...they denied thousands the right to vote, you cannot count a vote that isn't there.
I don't give a fuck about Gore, he's an asshole too. Democrats suck ass, so do rebuplicans and so the media will put everything in black and white terms, the media which is owned by just a few large conservative corporations.
Maybe a touch screen would be great, sure...but these machines were plagued with problems, an issue that was on the news in many states.
Thats right, theres a conspiracy going down right here right now. But, no, conspiracies arn't real...nothing like this has ever happened before. Why would anybody do anything with bad intentions? Why would any group of people seek to take away civil liberties?

[F L E S H]

Nullific, I love that quote by Ted Rall... A little frightening, but accurate.

Amsterdam, what's wrong with websites like thenation.com or amnesty.org? are they funny too? The comparison with Hitler is very valid, because Hitler wasn't the madman we make him out to be today. How do you think he got into power in the first? People actually voted for him. They liked him. He was extremely charismatic. Once he took control of everything, then he started going nuts with invasions and concentration camps and what not, but before that he was probably one of the best liked political figures in Europe. People placed their hops and dreams with him.

It's easy to turn around once you have enough power that no one can stop you. I'm afraid that this might happen in the US too...

[Nullific]

Here is a quote from Hermann Goering that I've posted numerous times before, I even believe I saw it in somebodies signature:

"Why of course the people don't want war. Why should some poor slob on
a farm want to risk his life in a war when the best he can get out of
it is to come back to his farm in one piece? Naturally the common people
don't want war neither in Russia, nor in England, nor for that matter in
Germany. That is understood. But, after all, it is the leaders of the
country who determine the policy and it is always a simple matter to
drag the people along, whether it is a democracy, or a fascist
dictatorship, or a parliament, or a communist dictatorship. Voice or no
voice, the people can always be brought to the bidding of the leaders.
That is easy. All you have to do is tell them they are being attacked,
and denounce the peacemakers for lack of patriotism and exposing the
country to danger. It works the same in any country."
Tell me this isn't exactly what is going on...Torog uses this method in nearly every post he makes, calling everybody with opinions different from him 'liberals' or 'democrappers', saying we're young and have no knowledge of the how the world works yet to us it is quite evident this has been said since the beginning of time.
Bush says "You're either with us or against us." making it clear for him there is no inbetween or acceptable alternatives.
But no, theres no such thing as conspiricies.
I highly recommend the film "USA Patriot Act: The Cost of Freedom" it is one-hour, low budget documentary featuring clips of speaches made by Bush...the words right out of his mouth and damn will it send shivers up your spine some of the things this man says.
http://www.duncanentertainment.com/movie_cof.php

The Ted Rall quote can be found here btw: http://semiskimmed.net/bushhitler.html

[Climbing High]

notice how all the people against bush are stating FACTS and discussing it in a very nice way, while poeple who are for bush just make posts like "Shut up all you hippies.... GO BUSH, HE'S JUST CLEANING UP CLINTONS MESS AND MAKING GENERATIONS SAFER"
why dont you bush fans come up with some supporting FACTS. you've all been brainwashed by our media system, its truly unfortunate. and oh yea, one more thing... BUSH LIED TO OUR COUNTRY, AND TO YOU. so although you have the right to do so, i have no clue why you would choose to support a man like george bush.

[GHoSToKeR]

amsterdam, you're an idiot.

[F L E S H]

Thanks for the links, Null :D

[JSTA]

Bush makes me ashamed to be an American. Hard for me to say that, but it's the truth.

[amsterdam]

BUT I AM RIGHT AND YOU ARE WRONG!freedom in lebanon today as 30,000 people take to the streets!!pro-syrian govt. resigns.suckers you are!!look around you stupid!!that is why you are a perfect example of why you and whatever whack-job group you think you are part of is a joke these day's!sucker!!

[Nullific]

Sorry, I don't speak dipshit.
Could somebody translate?

[GHoSToKeR]

Sorry, I don't speak dipshit.
Could somebody translate?
sorry Null, i'm just as confused as you :confused: :rolleyes:

[Nullific]

I think he is trying to indicate that the Lebanese want freedom perhaps due to influence from Iraq and Afghanistan or the prime minister resigning out of fear of American occupation or something.
However, this only goes to show military invasions, war and loss of life are not necessary if the people have courage to voice themselves.
Diplomacy is hard, war is easy.

[juggalo420]

BUT I AM RIGHT AND YOU ARE WRONG!freedom in lebanon today as 30,000 people take to the streets!!pro-syrian govt. resigns.suckers you are!!look around you stupid!!that is why you are a perfect example of why you and whatever whack-job group you think you are part of is a joke these day's!sucker!!
you dont know what your talking about. the protests in lebanon happened because the syrian backed goverment is believed to have been involved in the assasination of a popular opposition political leader. as well as a show of resentment of the fact syria has its military in their country and has alot of influence in their goverment.

you seem to be implying this happened because of the u.s's involement in iraq and it was soley done for the sake of democracy, both inaccurate. it'd be fairer to say if the protests were influenced by anything it would be the peaceful protests in the ukraine. and they are being staged less for democracy and more for national soveriegnty.

you also seem to imply the syrian backed goverment resigned due to some fear of u.s involvement, fear of a civil war would be alot more accurate.

[Delta9]

Lenny: "Tell me the part where we get to grow the marijuana, George please tell me about the marijuana."

George: "Not now Lenny"

Lenny: "Please George tell me the part about the marijuana."

George: "We'll okay Lenny, One day Lenny when we get just a little more money we'll buy that old farmhouse.."

Lenny: "Tell the part about the marijuana George."

George: "I can't if you keep interrupting Lenny, Okay, And then when we get a little more money we'll buy the farmhouse, and we'll have rabbits, and we'll grow marijuana."

[F L E S H]

you dont know what your talking about. the protests in lebanon happened because the syrian backed goverment is believed to have been involved in the assasination of a popular opposition political leader. as well as a show of resentment of the fact syria has its military in their country and has alot of influence in their goverment.

you seem to be implying this happened because of the u.s's involement in iraq and it was soley done for the sake of democracy, both inaccurate. it'd be fairer to say if the protests were influenced by anything it would be the peaceful protests in the ukraine. and they are being staged less for democracy and more for national soveriegnty.

you also seem to imply the syrian backed goverment resigned due to some fear of u.s involvement, fear of a civil war would be alot more accurate.
I couldn't have said it better myself :D

[amsterdam]

this is all happening as a result of the election's in afghanistan and iraq.a person would have to be blind not to see that.people can turn it anyway they want,whatever help's you sleep at night.

[llamaman666]

I hate bush, he hides the facts, he is horrible unethical man. So is torog, you are just uniformed, or a horrible human being. I have come to realize that anyone who supports someone like that that knows the facts (as torog does cuz he knows EVERYTHING) is a horrible person and is what I call, lesser than lizard shit.
middle of the road on!

[amsterdam]

thats because you have NO facts besides your own hatred wich has clouded your thoughts.good luck in canada and good riddance!

[swoopgrlz]

bush fuckin sucks. my sister pulled out of the army a week ago because she aint fightin nothin but george bush's war. he loves to kill people. look at texas' count of people executed. he's fucked.

[amsterdam]

guess he isnt fucked.he just got more votes than any other candidate in us history.what the hell are you talking about//

[F L E S H]

guess he isnt fucked.he just got more votes than any other candidate in us history.what the hell are you talking about//
will you stop saying that? don't you realize it doesn't mean anything? John Kerry got the second highest vote total in US history. Look where that got him.

[Edgar]

Lets also thank bush for stepping up the effort in the war on drugs! Hurray, a police state, just what i always wanted!

[Edgar]

"thats because you have NO facts besides your own hatred wich has clouded your thoughts.good luck in canada and good riddance!"

You got a lot of nerve to saying that... You just descibed yourself dipshit.

"guess he isnt fucked.he just got more votes than any other candidate in us history.what the hell are you talking about"

Even if he did win that election, (which i think is debatable) the only reason he got more votes than ever, is because there were more votes than ever total. (probably due to the media frenzy stirring up debate amongst people who are politically ignorant.) Besides, roughly 50% of the vote sure as fuck isn't a mandate.

[amsterdam]

"thats because you have NO facts besides your own hatred wich has clouded your thoughts.good luck in canada and good riddance!"

You got a lot of nerve to saying that... You just descibed yourself dipshit.

"guess he isnt fucked.he just got more votes than any other candidate in us history.what the hell are you talking about"

Even if he did win that election, (which i think is debatable) the only reason he got more votes than ever, is because there were more votes than ever total. (probably due to the media frenzy stirring up debate amongst people who are politically ignorant.) Besides, roughly 50% of the vote sure as fuck isn't a mandate.


W winning the election isn't up for debate.he won big as did republicans all across the country.and i love the argument that since W won everyone that voted for him MUST be ignorant.too funny,and you call me a dipshit.he earned POLITICAL CAPITOL,AND NOW HE'S GONNA SPEND IT!p.s.,i thought you were moving to canada?

[juggalo420]

W winning the election isn't up for debate.he won big as did republicans all across the country.and i love the argument that since W won everyone that voted for him MUST be ignorant.too funny,and you call me a dipshit.he earned POLITICAL CAPITOL,AND NOW HE'S GONNA SPEND IT!p.s.,i thought you were moving to canada?
he did sweep the evangelical vote, and i wouldnt call those people particually 'enlightened', they think evolution is a voodoo science, and place their trust in a 2000 year old fairy tale.

also how the fuck is 51% of the vote a mandate?

[amsterdam]

he did sweep the evangelical vote, and i wouldnt call those people particually 'enlightened', they think evolution is a voodoo science, and place their trust in a 2000 year old fairy tale.

also how the fuck is 51% of the vote a mandate?


i disagree with the evangeicals too and dont have any strong opinions on religon one way or another.with the mandate thing,all it showed was that the majority of our great country agree with W and his idea's.

[Edgar]

I think its pretty damn convenient how most voting errors favoring Bush, occured in Florida and Ohio, the two most important swing states. If you are thinkin these electronic voting booths can't be tampered with, you're wrong, I dont want to explain the whole thing but ill point you to a link that will. http://www.blackboxvoting.org/ Hell, they dont even make a paper copy of the vote to check if they suspect something. Even the old voting machines could be checked by a representative of each party if they thought they were tampered with.

I dont think everyone who voted for bush is ignorant, i'm just sayin i suspect the reason there were so many votes was because of how much the media and hollywood and MTV stirred up the people, and as a result alot of people who knew next to nothing about politics or either one of the candidate still voted. Since the majority of the population of the USA is conservative, and Bush is SUPPOSED to be the conservative candidate, and Kerry was considered the pussy candidate, who wouldn't fight terror, (Even though he actually served his military time, during war no less, unlike Bush.) bush squeeked through with the majority.

p.s. I never said i was moving to Canada.

[amsterdam]

kerry's war record was one of the reasons he lost the election!he lied about most of it and to this day wont release his records.military hero my ass.he won by 3% of the majority.thats alot of votes.maybe we should use the ink dipped voting style?anytime the dems get their ass beat in an election it all of a sudden "it's cheating"they lost because america thought they had no message except we arent BUSH.thats why for the most part the dems have turned themselves into the party of NO.no ideas,no solutions,no plans,just say no.thats why they have no political capital anymore.and they think hillary will do better in an election!idiots

[Edgar]

Dont even bring those swift boat veterans for "truth" into this, they are full of shit and you know it! whatever the case he has a hell of a lot better war record than that PUSSY Bush. He was in nam, while bush was snortin coke and getting drunk a frat parties.

[Edgar]

Btw, you tell me if you like how our new voting machines work... Do you really want it to be that easy to rig an election?

[keinmehrkreig]

BUSH WON.

Some of you don't realize what that phrase means...

He was better, people preferred him over that lieing,evil,satan of a man, Kerry.

He is now on his second term, which means he won twice.

That is consistant enough to see that he is obviously the best choice.

I thank god, that he was presidant at the time of 9/11 and not some Scared, Terroist Welcoming, Disgrace of a human being.

[Edgar]

Oh yeah you really brought alot the the conversation with that statement...
I dont like Kerry either, but calling him a scared, terrorist welcoming, evil, disgrace of a human being, and satan of a man, is just about sub mental. If your gonna say things like that, at least back it up.

I thought his campaign was down right lazy, and all he did was tell everybody what they wanted to hear instead of giving his true opinions and intentions. But I'd still take him as the lesser of two evils any day, and there is no way he would have just let the terrorists get away with what they did.

[thcbongman]

i disagree with the evangeicals too and dont have any strong opinions on religon one way or another.with the mandate thing,all it showed was that the majority of our great country agree with W and his idea's.

If they understood cleary he's a fiscally iressponble nut, they wouldn't vote for him. Inflation increased 0.4, purchasing power lowest since the 60s. Wait till the next quarter, I'm sure inflation will increase more. You can attribute this to oil prices, but guess what? Oil increases the cost of every good and service.

His ideas suck. His foreign policy is awful. Electing an arrogant bonehead in Bolton to head a foreign policy dominated by democrats, let's alienate our allies further.

Essentially, China holds America's debt, Bush's running the deficit even higher with his evil-but-necessary war for resources. If inflation starts to take hold like a runaway train, America is screwed.

Brilliant. Bush is going to drive our economy to the ground, and it will be years before this will take hold. But on the bright side, Kerry would've done worse.

[amsterdam]

i dont know what economy your talking about?we arent in a recession anymore are we?his foreign policy is bold and dosent sit on his hands like dumbass clinton.your just one of the typical "the world is gonna end" people.and oh yea,unemployment is lower than it was in the 90's.wise up.homeownership is too.i'll testify to that since i just bought my first house at 26 in evanston il.

[Edgar]

Unemployment is only lower because everyones is working at macdonalds, and other low paying jobs, there are less and less opening for well paying jobs, and if you dont think the world is coming to an end, (for humans) i guess you just arn't paying attention. What do you think is gonna happen when we run out of oil? I'll tell you, a great depression the likes of which we've never seen before. Thats just one reason in a thousand why the world is on a downward spiral. So go ahead and cover your ears, and pretend we arn't poisoning our only inhabitable planet to death, but that isn't going to stop the crisis. I Hate to sound so bleak, but honestly, the way were going, I think a crises on a scale we've never witnessed before is gonna hit home. People need to wake up to the fact, that we may be able to stop these crises if we act NOW, before its too late. We should make a bigger effort to wean our selves off of oil(right now we pretty much leave that effort in the hands of oil companies.), and we need to stop poluting, before we lose our ozone, and poison our air and water any further. Bush acts like he really believes all that bible crap about the Apocalypse, but thats funny because, at the rate he's going, he's gonna contribute to an Apocalypse of sorts. Its like, he believes the prophecy, so why make any effort to stop it? Its a selffulfilling prophecy! He's raised the level of polutants the refineries are alowed to release into the air and water, and he's also cancled many of the programs that research the possible adverse effects on our ecosystem that those polutants have. Not only that, but he's opposed renewable energy programs that would help people get off the grid, a grid which because it's powered mostly by coal burning, is one of our greatest contributors to our environmental woes. He's even rolled back energy efficiency standards for air conditioners, lol, Air conditioners? Hmmm, it seems like the only possible motives for all these environmentally detrimental decisions he's making, are to help his allies in big buissiness... Yeah he's really looking out for us...

As for bush fiscall policies, the economy has by no means fully recovered, and bush has no right pretending to be a conservative, he's never conserved anything in his life, much less money! He was born rich, so he's never learned how to be responsible with money, (as is evident by his decisions) how many billions has it been that he still cant account for losing in Iraq? This is money that has for all intents and purposes, just disapeared. Do you really think it just disapeared, because it sounds more like HUGE scandal to me, but of coarse, our so called 'liberal media', has all but ignored the FACT that its gone and nobody will tell us where it went.

[amsterdam]

i agree with you on the fact of our enviroment.more needs to be done.but extremist enviromentalists have scared the people into believing there is an end coming and that is simply not true.it's not.

as with the money that is gone,the liberal media talks about it all the time.all the time.

[F L E S H]

Well, if Americans run out of oil, Canada has about 300,000,000 barrels sitting around in Alberta. Not to mention, there will soon be a fresh water crisis round the world, and the country with the most fresh water is, you guessed it, Canada! I say Canada shouldn't sell anything to the US unless they also buy our beef and soft-wood lumber.

In 30 years, Canada will the worlds superpower! MWahahahaha!! We'll force feed molsons and shove hockey down everyone's throat! (Soon after all the French speaking countries of the world will rise up with Quebec and attack the Canadian superpower, resulting in WW4)

[amsterdam]

the worlds superpower?now that's wishfull thinking.

[Edgar]

I didn't mean the world was literally going to end (though in retrospect, i did make it sound that way.), I just meant we have very trying times ahead if we dont make a greater effort to clean up, and stop poluting, our environment, and to wean our selves off of nonrenewable resources.

[amsterdam]

we have trying times ahead anyway,and as we ALWAYS have,we will prevail.have some conviction and faith man.people give up to easy.

[SLiC112]

SMOKE TILL YOU CHOKE!!! and everything will seem better...

[amsterdam]

here's to that.life is good!!!

[Edgar]

We've never in the whole history of man kind faced a problem like we'll be facing soon, yeah we may get through it in the end, but there will be mass deaths, more than ever. Water crisis, food crisis, polution crisis, energy crisis, possible nuclear and other forms of devistating new warfar, and global warming, all those crises and more will be converging in around the same time period.

Who's giving up? I think we should be trying to prevent these crises, but Bush(someone who actually could provide the leadership to help prevent them.) apparently doesn't care.

[amsterdam]

thats where we seperate,i dont think for a second we will have problems like you think ever.sure we need to do more but you go to extremes

[BUZz UK]

bush probably cheated, like he did last time, with the florida votes...

[amsterdam]

ahhhh no.in 2000 the supreme court upheld the florida CONSTITUION by ruling that gorew trying to recount the votes 4 times(wich he lost everytime even when the news networks said gore had won florida an hour before the polls even closed considering there is a different timezone in the northern part of florida"bush country")so the poor dems couldnt "mysteriously"find some more votes(ha).and the dems got their ASS BEAT everywhere in this country in '04.they are just sore LOSERS!!stay outta american politics son

[amsterdam]

how true is this.

[Edgar]

"thats where we seperate,i dont think for a second we will have problems like you think ever.sure we need to do more but you go to extremes"

Only time will tell.

Some of those crises i mentioned are already happening in poorer countries, I think its only a matter of time before they start effecting us in more significant ways. Its already extreme in some parts of the world, its just not effecting the richer countries very heavily yet.

[amsterdam]

and i agree we should do more to help the poor.luckily we have money(lots)and the kind of problems they face open our eyes to them and we curb them before they hit.

[Edgar]

I hope we can.