Is this WW3?

[Marlboroman]

Ok, I just got done watching allot of CNN, Foxnews, and MNBC.

What strikes me as alarming is that, Isreal's response to two soldiers being kidnapped seems atleast to me to be way out of proportion.

To have to soldiers taken hostage, and immediatly start lighting off rockets doesnt sound to me like they are willing to come to any negotiating table to find a solution ather than war.

Another thing that alarms me is that Hezballa hasnt come forward to claim responsibility for the kidnapping. But Iran has come forward to say they had nothing to do with it. And the initial act vs reply strikes a strong resemblance to the actions that Hitler used to invade Poland.

Is this how it starts? are we watching WW3 in the begining stages?

Man, I hope not, and this really makes me want to light up a bowl.

[birdgirl73]

I certainly hope it's not the beginning of WW3, but I find myself worried about that problem considering how closely Iran seems to be linked to the actions against Israel. Then I think of how much they hate us, too, and how much we support Israel. Then I think of Russia's feelings about us as well as North Korea's.

Then I not only want to light up a bowl but also take a tranquilizer, too, just to take the edge off before the weed kicks in.

I agree that Israel's response is way out of proportion. I suppose that's because its response is really about thousands of years of anger and frustration rather than about the recent kidnapping of two soldiers.

[Marlboroman]

I agree that Israel's response is way out of proportion. I suppose that's because its response is really about thousands of years of anger and frustration rather than about the recent kidnapping of two soldiers.

I almost hate to say it too BG, mainly because I run the risk of being called a conspiracy theorist and all, but I really have to consider the option that these guys were not kidnapped at all, or possibly kidnapped by allied forces.

Given the covert operations Isreal and the US have been in on together in the past, USS Liberty, its not a far stretch from reality to make the consideration.

[birdgirl73]

I think that's something to ponder, and I don't think it makes you a wacko to consider it. . . .

[AmericanTerrorist]

http://www.worldproutassembly.org/archives/2006/07/israeli_terrori.html

Israeli Terrorist Forces Use New Unconventional Weapons Killing Body Cells, Exposing Bones, Causing Amputations


He continued, "The hospital is central and sees almost all cases of injuries and deaths as a result of Israeli bomb attacks against the Palestinians of the Gaza Strip. These Israeli bombings are entering the body and fragmenting, causing internal combustion leading to up to fourth degree internal burns, exposing the bone, and affecting the tissue and skin." The doctor added, "These tissues die, they do not survive, which obliges us to perform arm or leg amputations, and there are fragments which penetrate the body and do not show up on X-rays. When entering the body they spark like a combustion firearm, but not chemically. They seem radioactive." He confirmed that there were dozens of wounded legs and arms. Many of them had been burned from the inside, and distorted to the point that they cannot return to life again.


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Ministry of Health report on toxic Israeli weapons confirmed by Gaza City medical sources

PNN, (Gaza City) Bisan Hisham 13 July 06

Director of Public Relations at Gaza Cityâ??s Al Shifa Hospital, Dr. Juma Al Saqqa, confirmed the Palestinian Ministry of Healthâ??s report from earlier this week which stated that Israeli forces are using toxic weapons in the Gaza Strip.

The doctor spoke on Thursday, giving the death count at 85 Palestinians in the Strip since the latest Israeli attack began. Among the dead are 34 children under the age of 13. And as of Thursday afternoon, 300 Palestinians are injured.

Dr. Al Saqqa told Voice of Palestine Radio that the Israeli army is using new types of unconventional weapons against the Palestinians in the Gaza Strip during the recent attacks. He said, "They are targeting the Palestinian body with unconventional weapons and with that comes a phenomena we have not seen before in any Israeli bombardment we have lived through for many years."

He continued, "The hospital is central and sees almost all cases of injuries and deaths as a result of Israeli bomb attacks against the Palestinians of the Gaza Strip. These Israeli bombings are entering the body and fragmenting, causing internal combustion leading to up to fourth degree internal burns, exposing the bone, and affecting the tissue and skin."

The doctor added, "These tissues die, they do not survive, which obliges us to perform arm or leg amputations, and there are fragments which penetrate the body and do not show up on X-rays. When entering the body they spark like a combustion firearm, but not chemically. They seem radioactive."

He confirmed that there were dozens of wounded legs and arms. Many of them had been burned from the inside, and distorted to the point that they cannot return to life again.

Yesterday, Wednesday, was one of the most bloody of all in the recent attacks. Israeli forces killed 25 Palestinians. Dr. Al Sakka said, "It is escalating day after day. Yesterday alone Israeli forces killed 25 and injured dozens. Among them so many were children."

Dr. Al Sakka revealed that the Israelis completely destroyed by the lab which would help in diagnosing such cases. "We no longer have the ability to make these examinations on phenomena that we see is not normal."

He called on the international community to examine the latest weapons however the doctor reported that "no one has lifted a finger." Dr. Al Sakka complained that he did not see any foreign medical institution interested in the use of new weapons and their effects on the human body. He said, "What we found were journalists who came to take pictures, but as for the medical community, nothing."
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[Psycho4Bud]

Hezbollah officials announced the kidnapping on the terror organisationâ??s television channel, al-Manar. The Hezbollah has claimed responsibility for these attacks.

The Israel-Lebanon border: history of terror

On 24 May 2000, the government of Israel completed the withdrawal of its forces from southern Lebanon to the international border, in accordance with UN Security Council Resolution 425. The primary objective of this action was to ensure the security of Israel and its citizens, and to promote stability and peace in the region. Israel declared that it has no territorial aspirations in Lebanon, and hopes to see the Lebanese government restore and exercise its sovereignty and authority throughout the border region from which Israeli forces have left.

Israelâ??s full implementation of the Resolution 425 and its withdrawal to the international border did not stop the ongoing terror attacks conducted by Hezbollah and other terror organisations operating from Lebanon. The Lebanese government has in fact failed to act against these terror groups operating in its territory and secure the calm and security of the international border between Israel and Lebanon. In the ongoing terror attacks that have occurred since the Israeli withdrawal in 25 May 2000, 21 Israeli citizens have been killed and 71 wounded.

In June 2005 parliamentary elections were held in Lebanon. Although they did not win an outright victory, Hezbollah maintained a significant presence in Lebanese politics. The two Shiite terror organisations, Hezbollah and Amal, account for about 25 percent of the representatives in parliament. This highlights a broad base of support the two terror groups receive amongst the Shiite population in Lebanon, who make up 40 percent of the population. The outcome of the elections and Hezbollahâ??s current parliamentarian participation continues to undermine the stability of the Lebanese state.

The international community, including the UN Security Council has repeatedly called upon the Lebanese government to dismantle Hezbollah and other terror organisations operating under its jurisdiction. The Lebanese government has failed to abide by these international demands. In fact, a Hezbollah member is a minister in the Lebanese government; thus the terror organisation is receiving de facto recognition and support from the state of Lebanon.
http://www.bicom.org.uk/publications/

If ANY country put up with this type of crap on this scale for so long...they'd be saying enough is enough too! If Lebanon were to go to the U.N. and ask for assistance in getting rid of Hezbollah, I'm sure the bombs would stop....don't count on THAT though.

Have a good one!:thumbsup:

[graymatter]

It doesn't seem like WW3 but the U.S. is using the Jews to instigate Iran, and perhaps Syria. Until Russia says "back off or else"... you won't see cooler heads prevail. But if they don't intervene U.S. conservatives and the Jews know it's their last chance to have a knock down drag out for land and oil... otherwise, a democratic congress will likely pull the plug on further U.S. expansion in the region.

The good news is Bush can no longer characterize further conflict as a war on terror.

[Psycho4Bud]

Sooooooo Hezbollah is like a church group that is all about peace and love???:rolleyes: Come on now.....HOW MUCH does one country have to take before they take action?

Have a good one!:thumbsup:

[AmericanTerrorist]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hezbollah

[Psycho4Bud]

This is the key:
Lebanon is currently in violation of Resolution 1559 over its refusal to disband the military wing of Hezbollah.

If they were taking care of buisiness in the first place there would have been no kidnapped troops, no bombs, etc..............

Have a good one!:thumbsup:

[graymatter]

No, they're not, but speaking of church groups, why is the Lebanese (Christian) Army missing in action? No sign of them anywhere... I'm curious about that one. :confused:

Point is the Jewish strikes are against a terrorist organization for reasons other than terrorism.

[Psycho4Bud]

No, they're not, but speaking of church groups, why is the Lebanese (Christian) Army missing in action? No sign of them anywhere... I'm curious about that one. :confused:

Point is the Jewish strikes are against a terrorist organization for reasons other than terrorism.

From my prior post:

Hezbollah officials announced the kidnapping on the terror organisationâ??s television channel, al-Manar. The Hezbollah has claimed responsibility for these attacks.

This is an act of terrorism and the straw that broke the camels back.....no pun intended.

Have a good one!:thumbsup:

[graymatter]

I'm not sure how kidnapping equals attacks... but my hunch is that Lebanon is as tired of Hezbollah as the Jews are... they just needed a reason to host the event... Peace, Baby!

[AmericanTerrorist]

I think it's WWIII. I think this is going to be one of the major events that lead up to December 21st, 2012...

Its a pre-cursor to 2012

[Marlboroman]

The good news is Bush can no longer characterize further conflict as a war on terror.

This isnt the impression I got from watching Condoliza in Petersburg today.

Thas exactly what they seem to be calling it.

[Binzhoubum]

Personally, I am more worried about North Korea....

If the US gets distracted with this Israel-Lebanon conflict, plus the current situation in Iraq, perhaps North Korea will think it can get away with something for the time being.

They already said they view the UN resolution as a precursor to the renewal of the Korean War. If the Korean War was to start again you would see countries like Japan and China getting involved too. And that's not good for anybody or anything...

:smokin:

[gr0ingCrack]

doesnt matter either were going extinct threw global warming or were gonna have nuclear fall out

choose your poisin!:dance:

[mrdevious]

I think it's WWIII. I think this is going to be one of the major events that lead up to December 21st, 2012...

Many people were also convinced that the North Korean War was the precursor to the impending apocalypse. An invasion of 70,000 troops into North Korea, China enters the conflict. 7 or so years earlier they had World War 2 which was more massive than what we have going on today. The point is every time in history that a crap-load of world events have happened, everybody is convinced it's signs of the coming end, forgetting that many equally or larger conflicts have gone on throughout history.

[andruejaysin]

This is the key:
Lebanon is currently in violation of Resolution 1559 over its refusal to disband the military wing of Hezbollah.

If they were taking care of buisiness in the first place there would have been no kidnapped troops, no bombs, etc..............

Have a good one!:thumbsup:Given that the US army has been unable to disarm the various militias in iraq it is perhaps not reasonable to expect lebanese army to disarm hezbollah. Were it that simple the israelis would have done it prior to pulling out of lebanon.

[Psycho4Bud]

Given that the US army has been unable to disarm the various militias in iraq it is perhaps not reasonable to expect lebanese army to disarm hezbollah. Were it that simple the israelis would have done it prior to pulling out of lebanon.

I don't see how you can compare insurgent groups that hide their weapons in spider holes to a group that clearly controls the southern part of a country and holds parades to demonstrate their power.

Have a good one!:thumbsup:

[graymatter]

This isnt the impression I got from watching Condoliza in Petersburg today.

Thas exactly what they seem to be calling it.

I know, that's their mantra. Call insurgents terrorists, call democratically elected officials terrorists

...and I heard GM and Exxon are behind Al Gore's recent detainment at Guantanamo ;)

[Marlboroman]

I don't see how you can compare insurgent groups that hide their weapons in spider holes to a group that clearly controls the southern part of a country and holds parades to demonstrate their power.

Have a good one!:thumbsup:


OK how about another tag line then.... lets try the one the US would call them if they were allies....

Rebels....

I'm pretty sure this is what they consider themselves.... only reason the US calls them terrorists is because they oppose us.:thumbsup:

[Marlboroman]

I know, that's their mantra. Call insurgents terrorists, call democratically elected officials terrorists

...and I heard GM and Exxon are behind Al Gore's recent detainment at Guantanamo ;)

I think insurgent is just another name for a recruit or a mercenary.

They just so happen to be on the other side so we get to name them.

I didnt hear about Gore getting detained, but ill look it it.

[Psycho4Bud]

OK how about another tag line then.... lets try the one the US would call them if they were allies....

Rebels....

I'm pretty sure this is what they consider themselves.... only reason the US calls them terrorists is because they oppose us.:thumbsup:

lol....o.k.....this is one of the ways I define terrorist:

Hezbollah's political rhetoric has centred on calls for the destruction of the state of Israel. Its definition of Israeli occupation has also encompassed the idea that the whole of Palestine is occupied Muslim land and it has argued that Israel has no right to exist.

The party was long supported by Iran, which provided it with arms and money.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/1908671.stm

[Marlboroman]

lol....o.k.....this is one of the ways I define terrorist:

Hezbollah's political rhetoric has centred on calls for the destruction of the state of Israel. Its definition of Israeli occupation has also encompassed the idea that the whole of Palestine is occupied Muslim land and it has argued that Israel has no right to exist.

The party was long supported by Iran, which provided it with arms and money.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/1908671.stm

LOL you say this as if the US political rhetoric doesnt center on the destruction of Iraq, Afganistan, Iran, Syria, and any other state said to harbour the "enemy".

Both sides are saying the same thing here man, whats good for the goose is good for the gander.

So by your definition, doesnt this make the US a terrorist too?

[Psycho4Bud]

LOL you say this as if the US political rhetoric doesnt center on the destruction of Iraq, Afganistan, Iran, Syria, and any other state said to harbour the "enemy".

Both sides are saying the same thing here man, whats good for the goose is good for the gander.

So by your definition, doesnt this make the US a terrorist too?

And which one of those countries are we calling for the genocide of the people and to rename their lands to the United States?

Afganistan...easy one, 9-11......They now have a FREELY elected government.

Iraq.....broke 16/17 U.N. resolutions not to mention acts of genocide and paying martyrs families, etc........They also have an elected Government

Syria, Iran.....we think their assholes, are we "terrorists" for not doing buisiness with countries we don't get along with?

How can you compare Israel to Hezbollah? Israel is a recognized country/government throughout the world. What country is Hezbollah? What government structure is Hezbollah? NOT recognized as either by ANY government in the world.

Have a good one!:thumbsup:

[Marlboroman]

And which one of those countries are we calling for the genocide of the people and to rename their lands to the United States? I guess the war on terror doesnt call for the genocide of all "terrorist", your right
Afganistan...easy one, 9-11......They now have a FREELY elected government. as long as the US sanctions the active party its ok right?

Iraq.....broke 16/17 U.N. resolutions not to mention acts of genocide and paying martyrs families, etc........They also have an elected Government so i guess if the UN put gun control resolutions on the US it would be ok for some other country to invade us based on broken sanctions? and the elected GOV is US backed and promoted, so I guess it that makes it all good.

Syria, Iran.....we think their assholes, are we "terrorists" for not doing buisiness with countries we don't get along with?

In case you havent noticed, the US isnt just talking about not doing bussiness with these people, they are talking about invadeing them, if i didnt like someone it doesnt make me wrong to not buy their car, but im dead wrong should i go and flatten the tires and break the windsheild.

How can you compare Israel to Hezbollah? I'm not, this would be like compareing Iran to Neo-cons. Israel is a recognized country/government throughout the world. What country is Hezbollah? Its not, its a faction, just like neo-cons What government structure is Hezbollah? They do hold seats in Parliment in Lebenon dont they? and neo-cons pretty much control our GOV

NOT recognized as either by ANY government in the world.

Have a good one!:thumbsup:


Also based on your reasoning, it is just as legal for any country to declare war on "neo-cons", and start laying off rockets into their offices. After all they arent recognized as a government by any country. And they are calling for the genocide of a group of people. And they have orcestarted attacks on other countries, not renameing however, just renameing the controlling power, thereby controlling the country, both Afganistan and Iraq are US controlled.

It can all be flipped P4B, the same propaganda the US uses is the same propaganda the "enemy" uses.

War is never the solution man, it only makes things worse. The loser will resent, and always come back to test the waters for further rebelion.

Only real solution is peace, and niether of these parties seem to be interested in makeing comprimises to make a peace.:thumbsup:

[graymatter]

I didnt hear about Gore getting detained, but ill look it it.

Just kidding on that final point, Marlboro... Peace!

[Krogith]

Revelation 16:14 They are in fact expressions inspired by deamonds and perform signs and they go forth to the kings of the entire inhabited earth to gather them together to the war of the great day of god the almighty.....

It's comming.....

[Marlboroman]

I'm going to hide out somewhere in the mountains when it all goes down because I do NOT want to put up with this shit!

I dont blame ya man, I'm sure you wont be the only one there either:thumbsup:

[zero2104]

Ok, I just got done watching allot of CNN, Foxnews, and MNBC.

What strikes me as alarming is that, Isreal's response to two soldiers being kidnapped seems atleast to me to be way out of proportion.



well, u know that this has been building up for a REALLLY long time, after ww2 wen israel was created by the allies, so those soldiers getting kidnapped was basicly an excuse to attack eachother

that is how i see it

[graymatter]

lol....o.k.....this is one of the ways I define terrorist:

Hezbollah's political rhetoric has centred on calls for the destruction of the state of Israel. Its definition of Israeli occupation has also encompassed the idea that the whole of Palestine is occupied Muslim land and it has argued that Israel has no right to exist.

The party was long supported by Iran, which provided it with arms and money.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/1908671.stm

Entire nations believe and say that and they have seats in the U.N.

[WalkaWalka]

Has anyone in watching the coverage that everything is spun to make Iran look bad. It reminds me of the coverage leading up to the Iraq war. Also the entire conflict looks scripted to me. Also Iran and Syria have down everything the Bush and Blair administrations have asked them to.
I dunno if Israel attacks Syria the whole barrel is going to go up. Which is a situation that not even the U.S. will be able to bring to a stop.

[Marlboroman]

I dunno if Israel attacks Syria the whole barrel is going to go up. Which is a situation that not even the U.S. will be able to bring to a stop.

I dont think the US would even try to stop it, they wo uld say something like, just try not to kill civilians, same thing they are saying about lebanon.

I also think Bush and cronies see it as a plus that some of this work is being done by Isreal instead of US troops.

Which might as well be US troops actually, same equipment, same training.

[Toker4LifeVT]

the start of world war 3 is here folks and there is little we can do. Its going to start with the current situation and like one of the posters said will end up with isreal taking over its holy land and eventually a 1 world government the rise of the anti-christ and the end of the world... heh i never had faith in god infact i didnt even think he existed being a man of science but my faith is growing by the day as more and more of the bible comes to life im 23 years young and i don't wanna die young.. ive been monitoring the goverments actions along many lines since i was about 19 and that was when i was introduced to gods heavenly herb and to this site in which ive learned so much.... alas my friends and even my family have already succumbed to mind control / propaganda... right this very moment they are installing mind control towers using RF frequency towers hidden as palm trees, false rocks, church steeples and more, i learned that today by accident while looking up the effects of RF radiation exposure as one of my hobbies now is prospecting / treasure hunting and i met a guy on one of the forms for that and he was exposed to near lethal levels while fixing a transmitter because someone decided not to turn it off... either way the more i connect the dots the more worried i am for mankind.. I will be posting an article to the RF radiation which briefly talks about the hidden cell towers and also lists a site with other cover ups including censored mars pictures that depict life on mars... there is really a war going on and its bigger then any of us.

God bless everyone.




Oh yeah ill toss the link into this post for those of you that read this post but miss my RF radiation and mind control posts.

http://www.rense.com/general56/rad.htm

[graymatter]

the start of world war 3 is here folks and there is little we can do. Its going to start with the current situation and like one of the posters said will end up with isreal taking over its holy land and eventually a 1 world government the rise of the anti-christ and the end of the world... heh i never had faith in god infact i didnt even think he existed being a man of science but my faith is growing by the day as more and more of the bible comes to life im 23 years young and i don't wanna die young.. ive been monitoring the goverments actions along many lines since i was about 19 and that was when i was introduced to gods heavenly herb and to this site in which ive learned so much.... alas my friends and even my family have already succumbed to mind control / propaganda... right this very moment they are installing mind control towers using RF frequency towers hidden as palm trees, false rocks, church steeples and more, i learned that today by accident while looking up the effects of RF radiation exposure as one of my hobbies now is prospecting / treasure hunting and i met a guy on one of the forms for that and he was exposed to near lethal levels while fixing a transmitter because someone decided not to turn it off... either way the more i connect the dots the more worried i am for mankind.. I will be posting an article to the RF radiation which briefly talks about the hidden cell towers and also lists a site with other cover ups including censored mars pictures that depict life on mars... there is really a war going on and its bigger then any of us.

God bless everyone.




Oh yeah ill toss the link into this post for those of you that read this post but miss my RF radiation and mind control posts.

http://www.rense.com/general56/rad.htm

Ripper: Mandrake?
Mandrake: Yes, Jack?
Ripper: Have you ever seen a Commie drink a glass of water?
Mandrake: Well, I can't say I have.
Ripper: Vodka, that's what they drink, isn't it? Never water?
Mandrake: Well, I-I believe that's what they drink, Jack, yes.
Ripper: On no account will a Commie ever drink water, and not without good reason.

[Toker4LifeVT]

oh wow graymatter congrats at taking a shot at me thinking you will get a rise out of me.. well guess what it won't work since im very mature. so enjoy talking to yourself since i wont dignify you with a responce.... me a commie lol im an american... but check out my apocalypse post and you will notice that i infact think that event will acually be what kills earth..... the super volcano that is already building steam under yellowstone park the land has already moved upwards of 750 centimeters the size of it is almost 100 miles long 20 miles wide and 10 miles deep... you get the picture of that size eruption??? anyways have a nice day


oh yeah and PS

i dont drink! it makes me puke... toke on

[graymatter]

oh wow graymatter congrats at taking a shot at me thinking you will get a rise out of me.. well guess what it won't work since im very mature. so enjoy talking to yourself since i wont dignify you with a responce.... me a commie lol im an american... but check out my apocalypse post and you will notice that i infact think that event will acually be what kills earth..... the super volcano that is already building steam under yellowstone park the land has already moved upwards of 750 centimeters the size of it is almost 100 miles long 20 miles wide and 10 miles deep... you get the picture of that size eruption??? anyways have a nice day


oh yeah and PS

i dont drink! it makes me puke... toke on

Chill, dude, I apologize if I offended you. I just inserted one of my favorite movie scenes (Dr. Stranglove) to complement your colorful apocolyptic description... I would never try to get a rise from Vermont. You guys are about to legalize weed... Peace!

[Great Spirit]

Remember when I said that there would be a Middle East conflict this summer? I did say that the US would invade Iran, but since Zionist Israel is doing the dirty work, Israel most likely will attack Syria, and Iran has promised to get involved if it attacks Syria. Then heres comes the US! Indeed, it is looking like World War III and a big repeat of history. Such times....

Israel and Amerika are the most dangerous nations in existance!!! Not the people, but the leaders!! There are protests in Israel for the violence to stop, just as we have our own liberal people in Amerika who want peace.

[Toker4LifeVT]

Graymatter

Very well apology accepted next time please make sure to be careful about what you say the commie part sounded like implying i was either a commie or a drunk. Thanks for the apology. Peace

[Fengzi]

Hey, I've seen Commies drinking water. Never seen any drinking Vodka. I did get pretty hammered with a Commie once drinking some exceptionally foul alcohol called Mao Tai though, but that's a story for another thread ;)

Anyhow...No. This isn't the start of WWIII. Maybe the start of a Middle East war but not WWIII. If we had a world war everytime the Jews and Arabs started shooting at each other we'd be up to what? WWVI? WWVII? Maybe more?

[mrdevious]

I don't believe we're seeing WW3 or any fulfillment of any holy book. People have been getting scared for thousands of years everytime a bunch of events happen that match up with that some holy book said, but over thousands of years this kind of shit is just innevitably going to happen. Now if the bible or talmud or whoever said "on January 20th, 2001, George Bush will be elected president of the world's superpower", then I'd be impressed.

[Oneironaut]

It's not World War III. It's just the same pointless Middle East turmoil that's been going on for a loooooong time. You know, besides the whole religion thing, the Arabs and the Jews aren't really that different. Their cultures and languages are closely related to each other historically. And even their religions aren't too different since they're pretty much all monotheists.

[graymatter]

If we had a world war everytime the Jews and Arabs started shooting at each other we'd be up to what? WWVI? WWVII? Maybe more?

:thumbsup:

[Oneironaut]

Here's Stephen Colbert's take on this (the first video clip on the page). Man I love Stephen Colbert. He cracks me up like a club striking a baby seal's skull.

http://throwawayyourtv.com/2006/07/warmongers.html

[Dutch Pimp]

Start of World War III? ...that can't happen, until France surrenders first.

[Shelbay]

This is the key:
Lebanon is currently in violation of Resolution 1559 over its refusal to disband the military wing of Hezbollah.

If they were taking care of buisiness in the first place there would have been no kidnapped troops, no bombs, etc..............

Have a good one!:thumbsup:
This explained what you meant in the other thread...I still think its sad about all those orphaned children..injured,hungry,no parents,no shelter etc..

[Bong30]

Start of World War III? ...that can't happen, until France surrenders first.
I love that

[Oneironaut]

I hate when people say that all of France just gave up and surrendered in the World Wars. Sure, their government and military gave up because they were overpowered, but the spirit of resistance burned strong in the hearts of the people. When you imply that they were all just pussies who couldn't fight or didn't want to fight you are spitting on the graves of all the courageous French men and women who risked their lives to strike against the invading oppressors in whatever way they could right up until the end. It's like saying black people are pussies because they tolerated slavery for so long.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/French_resistance

[Dutch Pimp]

You are right! My Bad.

[Shelbay]

I hate when people say that all of France just gave up and surrendered in the World Wars. Sure, their government and military gave up because they were overpowered, but the spirit of resistance burned strong in the hearts of the people. When you imply that they were all just pussies who couldn't fight or didn't want to fight you are spitting on the graves of all the courageous French men and women who risked their lives to strike against the invading oppressors in whatever way they could right up until the end. It's like saying black people are pussies because they tolerated slavery for so long.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/French_resistance
I never thought I would reply to any of your post but darn if I don't agree with this one with all my heart!! Well Said.

[Psycho4Bud]

Sorry it's just not the World Wars that people base this opinion on:

- Gallic Wars
- Lost. In a war whose ending foreshadows the next 2000 years of French history, France is conquered by of all things, an Italian. [Or at ths time in history, a Roman -ed.]

- Hundred Years War
- Mostly lost, saved at last by female schizophrenic who inadvertently creates The First Rule of French Warfare; "France's armies are victorious only when not led by a Frenchman." Sainted.

- Italian Wars
- Lost. France becomes the first and only country to ever lose two wars when fighting Italians.

- Wars of Religion
- France goes 0-5-4 against the Huguenots

- Thirty Years War
- France is technically not a participant, but manages to get invaded anyway. Claims a tie on the basis that eventually the other participants started ignoring her.

- War of Revolution
- Tied. Frenchmen take to wearing red flowerpots as chapeaux.

- The Dutch War
- Tied

- War of the Augsburg League/King William's War/French and Indian War
- Lost, but claimed as a tie. Three ties in a row induces deluded Frogophiles the world over to label the period as the height of French military power.

- War of the Spanish Succession
- Lost. The War also gave the French their first taste of a Marlborough, which they have loved every since.

- American Revolution
- In a move that will become quite familiar to future Americans, France claims a win even though the English colonists saw far more action. This is later known as "de Gaulle Syndrome", and leads to the Second Rule of French Warfare; "France only wins when America does most of the fighting."

- French Revolution
- Won, primarily due the fact that the opponent was also French.:dance:

- The Napoleonic Wars
- Lost. Temporary victories (remember the First Rule!) due to leadership of a Corsican, who ended up being no match for a British footwear designer.

- The Franco-Prussian War
- Lost. Germany first plays the role of drunk Frat boy to France's ugly girl home alone on a Saturday night.

- World War I
- Tied and on the way to losing, France is saved by the United States [Entering the war late -ed.]. Thousands of French women find out what it's like to not only sleep with a winner, but one who doesn't call her "Fraulein." Sadly, widespread use of condoms by American forces forestalls any improvement in the French bloodline.

- World War II
- Lost. Conquered French liberated by the United States and Britain just as they finish learning the Horst Wessel Song.

- War in Indochina
- Lost. French forces plead sickness; take to bed with the Dien Bien Flu

- Algerian Rebellion
- Lost. Loss marks the first defeat of a western army by a Non-Turkic Muslim force since the Crusades, and produces the First Rule of Muslim Warfare; "We can always beat the French." This rule is identical to the First Rules of the Italians, Russians, Germans, English, Dutch, Spanish, Vietnamese and Esquimaux.

- War on Terrorism
- France, keeping in mind its recent history, surrenders to Germans and Muslims just to be safe. Attempts to surrender to Vietnamese ambassador fail after he takes refuge in a McDonald's.

The question for any country silly enough to count on the French should not be "Can we count on the French?", but rather "How long until France collapses?"

"Going to war without France is like going deer hunting without an accordion. All you do is leave behind a lot of noisy baggage."

Or, better still, the quote from last week's Wall Street Journal: "They're there when they need you."



With only an hour and a half of research, Jonathan Duczkowski provided the following losses:

Norse invasions, 841-911.
After having their way with the French for 70 years, the Norse are bribed by a French King named Charles the Simple (really!) who gave them Normandy in return for peace. Normans proceed to become just about the only positive military bonus in France's [favour] for next 500 years.

Mexico, 1863-1864.
France attempts to take advantage of Mexico's weakness following its thorough thrashing by the U.S. 20 years earlier ("Halls of Montezuma"). Not surprisingly, the only unit to distinguish itself is the French Foreign Legion (consisting of, by definition, non-Frenchmen). Booted out of the country a little over a year after arrival.

Panama jungles 1881-1890.
No one but nature to fight, France still loses; canal is eventually built by the U.S. 1904-1914.

Napoleonic Wars.
Should be noted that the Grand Armee was largely (~%50) composed of non-Frenchmen after 1804 or so. Mainly disgruntled minorities and anti-monarchists. Not surprisingly, these performed better than the French on many occasions.

Haiti, 1791-1804.
French defeated by rebellion after sacrificing 4,000 Poles to yellow fever. Shows another rule of French warfare; when in doubt, send an ally.

India, 1673-1813.
British were far more charming than French, ended up victors. Therefore the British are well known for their tea, and the French for their whine (er, wine...). Ensures 200 years of bad teeth in England.

Barbary Wars, middle ages-1830.
Pirates in North Africa continually harass European shipping in Meditteranean. France's solution: pay them to leave us alone. America's solution: kick their asses ("the Shores of Tripoli"). [America's] first overseas victories, won 1801-1815.

1798-1801, Quasi-War with U.S.
French privateers (semi-legal pirates) attack U.S. shipping. U.S. fights France at sea for 3 years; French eventually cave; sets precedent for next 200 years of Franco-American relations.

Moors in Spain, late 700s-early 800s.
Even with Charlemagne leading them against an enemy living in a hostile land, French are unable to make much progress. Hide behind Pyrennes until the modern day.

French-on-French losses (probably should be counted as victories too, just to be fair): :dance:

1208: Albigenses Crusade, French massacared by French.
When asked how to differentiate a heretic from the faithful, response was "Kill them all. God will know His own." Lesson: French are badasses when fighting unarmed men, women and children.

St. Bartholomew Day Massacre, August 24, 1572.
Once again, French-on-French slaughter.

Third Crusade.
Philip Augustus of France throws hissy-fit, leaves Crusade for Richard the Lion Heart to finish.

Seventh Crusade.
St. Louis of France leads Crusade to Egypt. Resoundingly crushed.

[Eighth] Crusade.
St. Louis back in action, this time in Tunis. See Seventh Crusade.

Also should be noted that France attempted to hide behind the Maginot line, sticking their head in the sand and pretending that the Germans would enter France that way. By doing so, the Germans would have been breaking with their traditional route of invading France, entering through Belgium (Napoleonic Wars, Franco-Prussian War, World War I, etc.). French ignored this though, and put all their effort into these defenses.

Thomas Whiteley has submitted this addition to me:

Seven year War 1756-1763
Lost: after getting hammered by Frederick the Great of Prussia (yep, the Germans again) at Rossbach, the French were held off for the remainder of the War by Frederick of Brunswick and a hodge-podge army including some Brits. War also saw France kicked out of Canada (Wolfe at Quebec) and India (Clive at Plassey).

Richard Mann, an American in France wants to add the following:

The French consider the departure of the French from Algeria in 1962-63, after 130 years on colonialism, as a French victory and especially consider C. de Gaulle as a hero for 'leading' said victory over the unwilling French public who were very much against the departure. This ended their colonialism. About 2 million ungrateful Algerians lost their lives in this shoddy affair.
http://www.albinoblacksheep.com/text/france.html

And so much for their WW2 effort!!

Although the Nazis wanted the French to turn over all Jews, the French agreed at first to round up only Jews with foreign citizenship, many of whom were in France because they had fled the Nazis in other countries.

The first roundup took place in July 1942. In an early morning visit, in the 20th Arrondissement of Paris, French Police knocked on the door of the Mullersâ??Jews originally from Poland.
http://www.pbs.org/auschwitz/40-45/factories/

[Dutch Pimp]

I can't decide which part, I liked best. I think..maybe...Dien Bien Flu.

[Bong30]

I can't decide which part, I liked best. I think..maybe...Dien Bien Flu.
THis is my Favorite...

Only one they won was The french revolution......... cause they were fighting French...........LOL they had to win...


- French Revolution
- Won, primarily due the fact that the opponent was also French.:dance:

[Binzhoubum]

Hey, I've seen Commies drinking water. Never seen any drinking Vodka. I did get pretty hammered with a Commie once drinking some exceptionally foul alcohol called Mao Tai though, but that's a story for another thread ;)


Ewwwwww.....Mao tai is something foul. :(

Besides, in America you can be anything you like, even a "commie"...

Or someone who polarizes every single political issue thrown out there into one of either two categories: Left or Right.

When you polarize you exaggerate and when you exaggerate you lose sight of what's really occuring. :smokin:

Most of the people on these boards align themselves accordingly with some type of political ideology without realizing that they are all flawed because they are all exaggerating what is really happening.

The world is a much bigger place and has many more serious threats looming other than the Middle East-America skirmishes.

Just like Fengzi said:


Anyhow...No. This isn't the start of WWIII. Maybe the start of a Middle East war but not WWIII. If we had a world war everytime the Jews and Arabs started shooting at each other we'd be up to what? WWVI? WWVII? Maybe more?

there have been wars going on in the Middle East forever. It cracks me up so much when people talk about every conflict in the Middle East as if it is going to be the Apocalypse or something. I mean, how ridiculous does that sound? Look at a history book or two for a couple hours and pay attention to the patterns.

Smoke one too, while you're at it. :smokin:

[Binzhoubum]

Here's Stephen Colbert's take on this (the first video clip on the page). Man I love Stephen Colbert. He cracks me up like a club striking a baby seal's skull.

http://throwawayyourtv.com/2006/07/warmongers.html

HOLY SHIT!

I can't believe it! I just watched that Daily Show clip and saw that there are actually people in the States right now claiming that the Israel-Lebanon conflict is the beginning of WWIII?!?!?!!?!?!

That is insanity.

It's times like these when I remember why I enjoy not living there anymore. :smokin:

[psychocat]

The whole situation we are faced with was brought about by the foreign policy of the US and other goverments who haven't got the sense to see that nobody has the right to tell other countries how they should behave or what weapons they should be allowed, The arrogance of a nation that believes they are always right is just mind boggling.
The Isreal situation was inevitable when you tell a principally muslim area hey guys guess what we are going to steal your land and give it to people that weren't really welcome.

MODERN HISTORY - : In 1947 the UN voted to divide Palestine into separate Jewish and Arab states and on May 14, 1948 the State of Israel was proclaimed in Palestine. By early 1949 Israel had survived the war with the Arab League of Egypt, Transjordan, Syria, Iraq and Lebanon and as a result around 780,000 Palestinian Arabs were displaced. In Oct. 1956 after Egypt nationalized the Suez Canal, Israel backed by Britain and France attacked Egypt initiating the second Arab-Israeli war, although a ceasefire was declared and the Anglo-French troops were withdrawn. In June 1967 Israel clashed with Syria and the Six Day War began. Israel defeated Egypt, Jordan as well as Syria and captured the Sinai Peninsula, Gaza Strip, West Bank and Golan Heights. From 1967 to 1972 Israel had begun to settle the occupied territories and the Palestine Liberation Organization (PLO) had also begun raids on Israel from the Gaza Strip and the Golan Heights along the Syrian/Israeli border, which resulted in counterattacks often by air


With this kind of behaviour how do we ever hope to reach peace?