BlueBear
07-14-2006, 02:43 AM
OK ladies and gentleman, and weed smokers too, I want to get some dialog going on a subject that seems to be very taboo on these boards. The topic I want to hear about are the different things that have been seen and herd about turnkey grow systems such as the BC boxes, caddie/coolcab, power grow boxes, X grow boxes, Suncell boxes, Stealth boxes and so on.
Before all of the anti commercial, anti capitalistic, anti greedy money hungry corporate American tempers flare up, let me try to explain my reasoning over this. There are many MJ users using for medical purposes, which generally assumes that there are a significant amount of users that have a chronic, sickness or disability which causes them to use. This being the case I think that it is advantageous to help them have a realistic option of growing on there own and not always having to buy.
For instance there are some users that have had back surgeries that may make it more difficult for them to build a cabinet, do to severe pain or lack of mobility/paralysis in certain parts of their body. There are other users that have congenital eye problems that cant even put a screw in the head of a screw, or duct a hood to install a fan.
Some users who face chronic depression and anxiety can't even leave the house to think about getting the many needed supplies to start a set up. Others can even get so depressed before finishing a cabinet that they might just give up becoming discouraged do to their depression.
I could go on, but if you don't see what I am driving at then either I am so far out in left field that I have "Left the building" or some people can't put their selves in the shoes of those who can't construct a set up for what ever reason. As we all know, those of us who have looked at these set ups know they are extremely, extremely costly so for a person on disability that may save for several months, an informed decision from the cannabis community should be readily available in my opinion.
Maybe people can give constructive criticisms on these products, meaning don't just trash them all if you can help it, most of our home built cabinet set ups are seldom perfect, taking much tweaking and upgrades to become efficient.
Perhaps I can get the ball rolling. A member recently enquired about the Sun Shed products, the manufactures of the Caddie, Mini Caddie, Coolcab and the Coolcab mini. First off I don't know any one who owns any of these, but I have researched them over the web as much as I feel is possible. Overall, they seem like they have some attractive features, but with the exceptions of the fallowing. The cady and mini caddy have to be kept in a dark area during the dark cycle do to some light vents that accommodate the bulbs, also leading to light leakage when the lights are on. I believe that this is accurate info. also, I will pass on a reply that I gave to another person when inquirering on the same line of cabinets. "I went to their sight and if you go you will
notice that they have a message board. When I started reading the post I was thrown off. Several people, almost everyone said that the sheds run much hotter
than advertised, right off the top when reading the fine print of the moderator on all of his posts replying to the heat problems he says that the units
have to be kept at least a foot away from the wall with a house fan pushing hot air from the area for optimal, bad spell, results. Some of the posters
stated that it was a poor build quality. And I found a couple posters that said the scrubber and Ozone gen didn't do anything to kill the smell. I am sure
that there is more, but I can't remember right now.
One other thing, quite a few posters said that with heat issues that these units should not be placed in a closet, but I guess you could vent the closet,
but that seems to defeat the purpose a little of spending all that money on a fully self contained system, if you have to add more to make it functional.
I have herd a few more good things about these
www.homegrown-hydroponics.com/mistgrcaw17h.html
The only thing, they don't have a message board to hear about the real life use of these units.
Well good luck."
Another box, the SunCell grow boxes found at www.suncellsystems with a hefty price tag of $2400 and up. seem to be reasonably built, the problem that I have found with these units is people posting on different boards making claims about these boxes, only to find out that they were trying to market the boxes. I have talked to the distributors of the box and aside from having a poor website in my opinion, they tried to answer my questions, being very friendly and patient.
They say that the units can be ran with hydro or soil, but they recommend soil do to some of the height restrictions. They say that the upper temps of the cab run in the mid to upper 80's while the lower cab stay in the 70's. Mind you after he said this, he said that as a rule of thumb the units run about 10 degrees above room temp. With these units I have herd yield clames as high as 1.5LB a harvest, but I think that a more conservative quote I herd was from a board that said to expect up to half a LB per harvest depending on strain and number of plants. Pot TV has a small segment on the SunCell boxes that is somewhat informative.
The BC bloom boxes are another unit that I have looked into for one reason or another. As a matter of fact there is a current thread on this board with a user of the Producer going through a grow right now, maybe someone can post a link, it is fairly informative in spite of the bad luck that the grower is having, do to problems seemingly unrelated to the efficiency of the unit. Note the thread starter, XLT hope he doesn't mind says that the unit is extremely louder than advertised and has some light leakage, also he comments that as far as stealth is concern he keeps it in his garage because it is quite obvious that the unit isn't a file cabinet, that was my interpretation of his stealth comments. In the words of my wife, "It looks like some giant funky safe thingy."
Aside from that, the unit is supposed to be the Hightime winner this year for grow boxes in the October issue. This is what the company told me. They also told me that a complete novice could yield a 1/2LB off the unit per harvest. All novices take this with a grain of sand for the most part.
Well, I hope some other folks put in their two cents. I have other things to say about some of the units here and there, but I hope to get some dialog started before I continue to research these cabinets. Hope that I am right in thinking that there are some medically disabled or chronic pane patients and such that this discussion might assist.
Adieu
Before all of the anti commercial, anti capitalistic, anti greedy money hungry corporate American tempers flare up, let me try to explain my reasoning over this. There are many MJ users using for medical purposes, which generally assumes that there are a significant amount of users that have a chronic, sickness or disability which causes them to use. This being the case I think that it is advantageous to help them have a realistic option of growing on there own and not always having to buy.
For instance there are some users that have had back surgeries that may make it more difficult for them to build a cabinet, do to severe pain or lack of mobility/paralysis in certain parts of their body. There are other users that have congenital eye problems that cant even put a screw in the head of a screw, or duct a hood to install a fan.
Some users who face chronic depression and anxiety can't even leave the house to think about getting the many needed supplies to start a set up. Others can even get so depressed before finishing a cabinet that they might just give up becoming discouraged do to their depression.
I could go on, but if you don't see what I am driving at then either I am so far out in left field that I have "Left the building" or some people can't put their selves in the shoes of those who can't construct a set up for what ever reason. As we all know, those of us who have looked at these set ups know they are extremely, extremely costly so for a person on disability that may save for several months, an informed decision from the cannabis community should be readily available in my opinion.
Maybe people can give constructive criticisms on these products, meaning don't just trash them all if you can help it, most of our home built cabinet set ups are seldom perfect, taking much tweaking and upgrades to become efficient.
Perhaps I can get the ball rolling. A member recently enquired about the Sun Shed products, the manufactures of the Caddie, Mini Caddie, Coolcab and the Coolcab mini. First off I don't know any one who owns any of these, but I have researched them over the web as much as I feel is possible. Overall, they seem like they have some attractive features, but with the exceptions of the fallowing. The cady and mini caddy have to be kept in a dark area during the dark cycle do to some light vents that accommodate the bulbs, also leading to light leakage when the lights are on. I believe that this is accurate info. also, I will pass on a reply that I gave to another person when inquirering on the same line of cabinets. "I went to their sight and if you go you will
notice that they have a message board. When I started reading the post I was thrown off. Several people, almost everyone said that the sheds run much hotter
than advertised, right off the top when reading the fine print of the moderator on all of his posts replying to the heat problems he says that the units
have to be kept at least a foot away from the wall with a house fan pushing hot air from the area for optimal, bad spell, results. Some of the posters
stated that it was a poor build quality. And I found a couple posters that said the scrubber and Ozone gen didn't do anything to kill the smell. I am sure
that there is more, but I can't remember right now.
One other thing, quite a few posters said that with heat issues that these units should not be placed in a closet, but I guess you could vent the closet,
but that seems to defeat the purpose a little of spending all that money on a fully self contained system, if you have to add more to make it functional.
I have herd a few more good things about these
www.homegrown-hydroponics.com/mistgrcaw17h.html
The only thing, they don't have a message board to hear about the real life use of these units.
Well good luck."
Another box, the SunCell grow boxes found at www.suncellsystems with a hefty price tag of $2400 and up. seem to be reasonably built, the problem that I have found with these units is people posting on different boards making claims about these boxes, only to find out that they were trying to market the boxes. I have talked to the distributors of the box and aside from having a poor website in my opinion, they tried to answer my questions, being very friendly and patient.
They say that the units can be ran with hydro or soil, but they recommend soil do to some of the height restrictions. They say that the upper temps of the cab run in the mid to upper 80's while the lower cab stay in the 70's. Mind you after he said this, he said that as a rule of thumb the units run about 10 degrees above room temp. With these units I have herd yield clames as high as 1.5LB a harvest, but I think that a more conservative quote I herd was from a board that said to expect up to half a LB per harvest depending on strain and number of plants. Pot TV has a small segment on the SunCell boxes that is somewhat informative.
The BC bloom boxes are another unit that I have looked into for one reason or another. As a matter of fact there is a current thread on this board with a user of the Producer going through a grow right now, maybe someone can post a link, it is fairly informative in spite of the bad luck that the grower is having, do to problems seemingly unrelated to the efficiency of the unit. Note the thread starter, XLT hope he doesn't mind says that the unit is extremely louder than advertised and has some light leakage, also he comments that as far as stealth is concern he keeps it in his garage because it is quite obvious that the unit isn't a file cabinet, that was my interpretation of his stealth comments. In the words of my wife, "It looks like some giant funky safe thingy."
Aside from that, the unit is supposed to be the Hightime winner this year for grow boxes in the October issue. This is what the company told me. They also told me that a complete novice could yield a 1/2LB off the unit per harvest. All novices take this with a grain of sand for the most part.
Well, I hope some other folks put in their two cents. I have other things to say about some of the units here and there, but I hope to get some dialog started before I continue to research these cabinets. Hope that I am right in thinking that there are some medically disabled or chronic pane patients and such that this discussion might assist.
Adieu