FDA, USA, BAYERS AND AIDS!

[Doctor mj]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XS3mhjt7TrY&search=Bayer

This video speaks for itself.

Pisses me off. There is no such thing as Islamic Terrorist,
America and Israel are the real Terrorist and threat to humanity, blatant disrespect and inhumane ways of solving problems. Fuck This World.

[Bong30]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XS3mhjt7TrY&search=Bayer

This video speaks for itself.

Pisses me off. There is no such thing as Islamic Terrorist,
America and Israel are the real Terrorist and threat to humanity, blatant disrespect and inhumane ways of solving problems. Fuck This World.


What does Bayer Have to do with terrorsit...........it isnt the US goverment.

it said it happened 2 decades ago...........with the latest technology at the time.............


You are Just some punk bitch Kid that hates america....get the fuck out bitch.

[Doctor mj]

LOL do you believe this guy^^
I dont hate America, I hate the people running it.
Ummmmmm do you know the definition of Terrorist?
Bayers was knowingly harming other countries for "profit"
And the FDA is the Government Hence the relationship with Bayers and back up form the government.
So what if it happend 2 decades ago, people are still sick from this.
Are you like brainwashed? Is all your information on the "War on Terror" from FOX news?
I mean dam, how ignorant can someone get.
Are you being paid to come on Message Boards and preach about how wrong everyones information is and only yours is right?
I wouldnt doubt it.

[Great Spirit]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XS3mhjt7TrY&search=Bayer

This video speaks for itself.

Pisses me off. There is no such thing as Islamic Terrorist,
America and Israel are the real Terrorist and threat to humanity, blatant disrespect and inhumane ways of solving problems. Fuck This World.That video made me want to puke!! Sick motherfuckers!!

AND AMEN BROTHER!!! MODERN ISRAEL IS SIMPLY A PUPPET STATE SET UP BY THE ILLUMINATI!!

[Bong30]

That video made me want to puke!! Sick motherfuckers!!

AND AMEN BROTHER!!! MODERN ISRAEL IS SIMPLY A PUPPET STATE SET UP BY THE ILLUMINATI!!
GS.....I knew what side you would be on.......lol you are nothing if you are not consistent.:thumbsup:

I have to put this in my sig..........

Liberism is a mental disorder

check it..........

Liberalism is a Mental Disorder: Savage Solutions (ISBN 1595550062) is the twentieth book written by conservative radio personality Michael Savage. It is published by Nelson Current.

In the book Michael Savage chronicles what he calls the continued assault of the liberals and leftists on the "sacred pillars" of American life including marriage, the U.S. Constitution, Bill of Rights, and the Ten Commandments, in addition to a chapter on Islamofascism. Savage also offers readers his advice on handling the "assaults." In each chapter is a "Savage Spotlight of Truth" that purports to cast a light on how liberals spread their alleged political agenda.
"Liberalism is a Mental Disorder" stayed on the Top-Ten New York Times best-seller list for several months after its release on April 12, 2005.


More Patton, Less Patent Leather
Unmasking Islamofascism
Alien Invasion
Traders vs. Traitors
Arafat, Clinton, Kinsey: Sympathy for the Devil
Head of the Snake: The ACLU
The Red and the Blue
Afterword
Appendixâ?? Savagespeak Glossary of Savagisms
Endnotes

This book contains 206 pages with afterword; 221 pages with glossary and endnotes.

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Savage calls out George Bush. He makes the point: if someone is going to start a war, somebody needs to end it. With harsh attack, our country could free Iraq and move out. Savage uses a comparison to General Patton for his plan. With the war over, we could have more time to focus on domestic problems.
About how Islamists and how the radicals have turned their spread into the most dangerous campaign in modern times. This â??religion of peaceâ?� is the reason for almost every terrorist attack in the past twenty years. Savage goes on to reference their religious texts, in which, they promote the killing of non-believers. Islamofascists, as Savage calls them, are the biggest threat in modern times. The author addresses the growing problem of aliens, illegal aliens. According to the best estimates, over twelve million people come into this country illegally each year. Even in our heightened state of alert after 9/11, all these people are â??slippingâ?� through our borders. These people also take money from us, through welfare and Medicaid. This may lead to more threats to our liberty.
Savage points out another area of our society that is sucking money from the pockets of innocent citizens. Lawyers, these days, are suing everyone. For example: Seong Sil Kim of New York was given $9.9 million because she stood in front of a train to commit suicide, and the train hit her hand. Eighty percent of doctors order unneeded tests and seventy-four percent refer patients to other specialists so that he or she cannot get sued. Whenever these occur, prices rise, stripping money from our wallets. Lawyers need to be severely restricted.
Savage takes a shot at the media. When Yassar Arafat died the media glorified him. This is the man who created the PLO, probably the second most terroristic group in the last sixty years. Arafat was responsible for millions of deaths, yet the media honored him as â??innovativeâ?�, a â??freedom fighterâ?�. He also hid away billions of dollars that came from different countries, including our own, to help the impoverished masses in Palestine. This is not the only media glorified person, but it is the prime example. The liberal minds of the media have now warped history.
Groups similar to and including the ACLU have caused public scenes for decades. This is their tactic to putting down conservatives. They cannot let go of the sixties and step into our modern world. These actions need to be contained instead of magnified, which the media does. We can stop this by just simply ignoring them.
The book ends with a list of reasons why John Kerry lost the 2004 election. The biggest topic was gay marriage. John Kerry supported this measure. The fact is that America wants to save the family and keep it sacred. In the states that introduced a Defense of Marriage initiative on the 2004 ballot, all 11 supported it. In most states it was by an overwhelming amount. Kerry did not win the 2004 election because of this and other reasons.


GOOD STUFF............DR. Savage:thumbsup:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liberalism_is_a_Mental_Disorder

[The Figment]

I listen to talk raido all day at work,And I find it unbeliveable that any univeristy would give Michael Savage a Phd in anything!

[Doctor mj]

Bong30 Is a complete moron

[birdgirl73]

I hardly want to participate in any other aspect of this thread, but I have a very distinct feeling that if anyone did much background research on Mr. Savage, they'd find he was a big fake with few, if any, academic credentials. Intelligent, educated people don't think the way he does unless they themselves have a screw loose. If anyone has a mental disorder, it's Michael Savage. That man is nuts, and my belief is that he's dangerous, too.

[Marlboroman]

This reminds me of my kids.

When they have done something they think they will get flack over and I ask them about it.

They bring up something that happened 2 days ago on the playground at school.

If I remeber correctly the topic is bayer, not Savage.

Dr. MJ made a connection of the profit tactics used by Bayer, the FDA, and the current definition of what constitutes "terrorism".

All the sudden hes being attacked, and the subject is changed.

Everyone take a deep breath, and stay on topic.

We cant discuss anything, if we dont have a topic.

[birdgirl73]

If you'll read a bit on these boards, you'll see that threads, like normal conversations, frequently flow from topic to topic. It's the nature of the beast. I very deliberately refuse to get in the middle of silly insult-driven discussions like this one degenerated into after only two or three posts, but if the topic of someone like Michael Savage comes up, I won't ignore it just as I wouldn't in a regular conversation.

You take a deep breath and cling to single-track topics if you want. I intend to continue to be spontaneous and hope others will as well.

[Marlboroman]

If you'll read a bit on these boards, you'll see that threads, like normal conversations, frequently flow from topic to topic. It's the nature of the beast. I very deliberately refuse to get in the middle of silly insult-driven discussions like this one degenerated into after only two or three posts, but if the topic of someone like Michael Savage comes up, I won't ignore it just as I wouldn't in a regular conversation.

You take a deep breath and cling to single-track topics if you want. I intend to continue to be spontaneous and hope others will as well.

LOL start a Dr. Savage hate thread if you like, then you can bash him till you no longer feel the need to emotionally react to his name being mentioned.

I dont have anything to say about Savage, Bayer or the FDA, I was merely trying to get the thread back on topic so it can actually continue as a thread, and I might possibly learn something about the issue. Instead if turning into a we hate Savage thread.

Unlike the for mentioned Savage thread, this Bayer thing seems very interesting to me, and it is what the thread was created for. Not for someone to change the subject because they felt they were being attacked. (Bong30) And consequently attacked another. (GS)

You and I Bird are not in disagreement, and my post was not directed at you, altho you seem to find my suggestion to take a deep breath rather insulting.

When did takeing a deep breath become an insult?

I do it all the time, when the opritunity presents itself. It feels great even.

Thank you for your suggestion !

[jamstigator]

So a dude that straps himself with explosives, gets on a bus full of innocent people and blows himself and the bus up, killing everyone on the bus, for political and religious reasons...that's NOT a terrorist? So what definition of terrorist are we working with here?

[Ganjasaurusrex]

On the topic of the thread.

Im shocked. Absolutly shocked that they knew the aspirin was tainted and dumped it on others to make money.

I just couldnt believe what I was hearing and seeing in that video.

Unbelievable.


Thanks for posting that.

[birdgirl73]

Marlboro, I didn't take your direction as an insult. Condescending, perhaps, since you compared the divergence of the thread to your kids. But not insulting. I just felt like giving it back to you. And if you'll read back, you'll see I wasn't reacting emotionally to the topic of poor Mr. Savage. I rarely do respond that way. My intellect is far too superior for me not to keep my emotional responses in check. Logical is the way we lawyer-reporter types are trained to think and respond. Illogical is generally the way Mr. Savage does business.

I just thought it was strange that you'd try to direct a topic to stay on track in that way, especially on boards created by and for cannabis believers. If any group of people was ever free-wheeling and spontaneous, it's this bunch. Thank goodness for divergent tracks, especially when people begin hurling the F word at one another. Now THAT's an example of a childish, emotional reaction.

P.S. To get us off on another tangent for good measure, I well remember that change-the-topic tactic my son used when he was a little guy. The funny thing is, I asked him about something he'd promised his father he would do yesterday and didn't do, and he changed the topic so fast it was incredible. He's not any more subtle as a 20-year-old than he was when he was 6!

[Bong30]

So a dude that straps himself with explosives, gets on a bus full of innocent people and blows himself and the bus up, killing everyone on the bus, for political and religious reasons...that's NOT a terrorist? So what definition of terrorist are we working with here?
Thanks JAM........ you are right


I hardly want to participate in any other aspect of this thread, but I have a very distinct feeling that if anyone did much background research on Mr. Savage, they'd find he was a big fake with few, if any, academic credentials. Intelligent, educated people don't think the way he does unless they themselves have a screw loose. If anyone has a mental disorder, it's Michael Savage. That man is nuts, and my belief is that he's dangerous, too.

Thanks BG that was the nicest way ive ever been told to stick it......

I like Dr Savage.........

You just dont like him cause you dont like his views........ here is some information on him....

Educated people do think like him...........LIbs, commies, and islamofascist dont.

Michael Savage is the pseudonym of Michael Alan Weiner, PhD (born March 31, 1942). Savage is a controversial American conservative talk radio host, author, and political commentator. He holds master's degrees in medical botany and medical anthropology and earned his Ph.D. from the University of California at Berkeley in epidemiology and nutrition science.[1] As Michael Weiner (Vī'-ner), he has written a number of books on herbal medicine and homeopathy. As Michael Savage, he has written four New York Times bestsellers: The Savage Nation (2003), The Enemy Within (2004), Liberalism is a Mental Disorder (2005), and The Political Zoo (2006). His nationally syndicated radio show The Savage Nation reaches over ten million listeners on 377 stations throughout the United States, ranking third in nationwide ratings behind Rush Limbaugh and Sean Hannity


10 million people on 377 stations.............dont know shit.......... i beg to differ

[birdgirl73]

Back on thread for a second. I guess this video from the Scarborough show was just on recently and that the NYTimes must be working on this story again or something.

What's not being played very highly in the video clip above is that this is a 20-year-old story. Factor 8 and the other two widely used clotting factors for hemophilia have been well tested and safe now from AIDS contamination for more than 15 years. This tainted Factor 8 "dumping" happened back before that was the case. The age of this story doesn't make Bayer's actions any better, of course. If, as frequently happens, a big pharm company worked around the FDA in a way so as to harm innocent people in markets other than America, that's still deplorable.

But everyone reading this now ought to know this regards something that happened during the 80s and received a good bit of attention then. I'm just curious why it's a hot topic again now. Please don't make the mistake of assuming that our current blood supply and clotting factors are still tainted or unsafe, here or in other developed countries. They're safe now. (But we're all still the victims of Big Pharma, as anyone who pays for medicines knows.)

[Bong30]

Back on thread for a second. I guess this video from the Scarborough show was just on recently and that the NYTimes must be working on this story again or something.

What's not being played very highly in the video clip above is that this is a 20-year-old story. Factor 8 and the other two widely used clotting factors for hemophilia have been well tested and safe now from AIDS contamination for more than 15 years. This tainted Factor 8 "dumping" happened back before that was the case. The age of this story doesn't make Bayer's actions any better, of course. If, as frequently happens, a big pharm company worked around the FDA in a way so as to harm innocent people in markets other than America, that's still deplorable.

But everyone reading this now ought to know this regards something that happened during the 80s and received a good bit of attention then. I'm just curious why it's a hot topic again now. Please don't make the mistake of assuming that our current blood supply and clotting factors are still tainted or unsafe, here or in other developed countries. They're safe now. (But we're all still the victims of Big Pharma, as anyone who pays for medicines knows.)
They hate america so much they will dig up any dirt to call attention to it...


THey still say................. what about the crusades? please...........

[birdgirl73]

I think he's appalling. I can easily tolerate and respect people with differing opinions if they are able to communicate them in sane, reasonable ways. He cannot. He's one of the so-called "Shout TV/radio" celebrities who's helping further polarize this country by selling his extreme notions to people who don't know or read enough legitimate information to be able to discriminate. That's what so hard to forgive him for.

They took him off the radio market here, which is strange considering that the Dallas area is one of the most conservative parts of the country there is. But I know he still has fans, and it doesn't surprise me that you're one of them. I'm going to do some research into his so-called credentials. I will never change my mind about his having a screw loose and being a dangerous person.

[birdgirl73]

They hate america so much they will dig up any dirt to call attention to it...


THey still say................. what about the crusades? please...........
Now I don't even know what you're talking about. "They"? You mean the NYTimes or Scarborough?

[Bong30]

Now I don't even know what you're talking about. "They"? You mean the NYTimes or Scarborough?
No im just saying that most people bring up the crusades when they want to hate on Christians.


He "Savage" does scream a bunch............ i still like him

and we can agree to disagree................:thumbsup:

[birdgirl73]

Yes, we can! I actually enjoy that.

So people bring up the Crusades when they want to say bad stuff about Christians? I guess I've never heard that. I'd have to put some verbal hurtin' on anyone who did that around me. Christians are alright! (I feel the same way about other religions and also atheists/agnostics, too. I think freedom of beliefs is one of the wonderful things about where we live, and folks need to respect others' beliefs.)

[Bong30]

Yes, we can! I actually enjoy that.

So people bring up the Crusades when they want to say bad stuff about Christians? I guess I've never heard that. I'd have to put some verbal hurtin' on anyone who did that around me. Christians are alright! (I feel the same way about other religions and also atheists/agnostics, too. I think freedom of beliefs is one of the wonderful things about where we live, and folks need to respect others' beliefs.)
Why cant Muslims respect others beliefes............


i want to worship SATAN in Saudi Arabia..... what will happen?

[birdgirl73]

I wish they could respect others' beliefs, too!

Yikes, I tremble to think about what would happen to someone considered a Satan-worshipper in Saudi Arabia. Actually, the real hard-liners over there would already consider you and me to be Satanic infidels just for having Christian beliefs. That's very sad and scary, isn't it?

[Ganjasaurusrex]

In response to the thread.

The last time I checked there were no statutes of limitation of murder in the United States, which is exactly what is intended when you knowingly give another human being a death sentence, especially a kid who has his trust in you to help him.

It doesnt matter to me what part of the world it occurred in.

It is the intention behind the act and those intentions dont care whether it is 20,000 miles away or next door.

I dont care whether this happened 20 years ago or yesterday nor does this universe we live in. Time is irrelevent to your acts.

The fact is they knew that it was tainted with aids and went ahead and sold it to several foreign countries anyway and were told by the FDA to keep quiet about it according to Joe Scarborough.

These sons of bitches have karma over there head no different than the CEO of Enron, Ken Lay, no different than the BTK serial killer, no different than Scott Peterson, Jeffery Dahmer, etc, etc and I can make you a list a mile long of people who thought they were getting away with it.

It comes around believe me. You dont get away with anything.

No body walks out of this world with anything but their soul, not their millions, not their fancy cars, mansions, yachts, status or percieved power.

Those intentions effect their choices and those choices will affect their soul.

There is nothing any of these people involved in this can do because nothing goes unseen in this world. It doesnt matter what corporate individual or secondary entity was involved.

Each person that knew and profited or had the power to stop it has made a horrible choice.

[Bong30]

That's very sad and scary, isn't it?
yes it is..........

Just think walking around mecca with your slayer t shirt throughing the horns at every one....................SWEET:D

[Marlboroman]

[QUOTE=birdgirl73]Marlboro, I didn't take your direction as an insult. Condescending, perhaps, since you compared the divergence of the thread to your kids.QUOTE]

Not the divergence Birdgirl, what I was refering to was, instead of Bong stateing his views in a articulate manner he made an attack then changed the subject. Allot like my kids do.

EX:

Me- "what happend here?"
Kid- "She hates me!" (personal attack)
Kid- "Yesterday she hit me!" and then, and then, and then, and then(subject change)

Sorry for the confusion, I could have stated my own opinion in a clearer fashion.

Altho my example is very simple, at its core its the same cycle of conversation. Oh, and you all fell for it!

[Marlboroman]

But everyone reading this now ought to know this regards something that happened during the 80s and received a good bit of attention then. I'm just curious why it's a hot topic again now.

Now, this is a very interesting question Birdgirl!

Why is it being brought up now?

If it had its day in the 80's, which I'm takeing your word on it, its illogical to bring it up now.

As I type this tho it brings to mind something I saw while watching fox news.

While discussing Katrina, and the flooding, they were mixing in video of Chernoble with video of New Orleans.

I still have no idea why they would bring Chernoble up, but were giveing death stats and injury reports from Chernoble on the ticker at the bottom, all the while discussing Katrina.

Maybe they have a shortage of news events to report, i mean its got to be hard with a whole channel running 24/7 to fill all that time with news.

I really dont know, but it smells funny, looks funny, and its leaving a strange taste in my mouth.