Full scale war in the Middle East?

[Tom Swierzbinski]

Israel and the Middle East - Apparently full scale war is imminent.

Here are some facts you might not yet know...

Iran's military has been put on high alert.
Syria's military is also on high alert.
Lebanon has begun moving troops south towards their boarder with Israel.
And of course, Israel has called up all of its reserves and is moving troops north towards Lebanon, saying that they just may march all the way through it.
Iranâ??s national security adviser is now in Damascus.
Iran has stated that any attack against Syria will be considered an attack against Iran.
Israel is blaming Iran for instructing Lebanon (and of course Syria as well) to open a "second front" AGAINST Israel to draw pressure off of the Gaza invasion.

Its been rumored that Israel is using chemical weapons against the Palistinians.

Israel has stated that it is at war. Its citizens living in its NORTHERN BOARDER have been ordered in to bomb shelters.

Bush has said that Israel must do what ever it needs to do to protect itself.

Syria has stated the Israel deserved the attacks its taken from Hezballah... Syria is accused of backing these attacks.

Israel has just stated that its about to under take extreme measures if necessary to return its safety.



What do you lot think about this?

[go toke up]

the arabs need to get along.

[The Figment]

I've been sitting here for the last five min trying to put my thoughts into words(as I watch CNN reporting on this)...

It's time the US got out of the Middle East.
They have been fighting for almost 2000 years.
We (The U.S.) are getting hammerd for our middle east "Policies"
No treatys have have stood the test of time.
No one has ever found a peacable solution to this.
It's Costing a fortune!!
The U.N has been Totally useless on this
and we have no need for WW III!!!

And it has cost the lives of 2537 folk just like one might find on this board!!

[Ganjasaurusrex]

Just heard the other night on the news that the leader of Iran said,

"soon there will be a very large explosion in Isreal"

i.e. I take that to mean another nuke threat.


Bad move should it occur. It could set off a chain reaction with other countries.

[PsychedelicSins]

Iran and Syria need to be wiped off the face of the earth. You could kill two birds with one stone. Get rid of a bunch of culturally retarded ragheads AND take a little chunk outta the population, hey its not like we couldnt use it...


Well can anyone say Apocalypse?

[go toke up]

Iran and Syria need to be wiped off the face of the earth. You could kill two birds with one stone. Get rid of a bunch of culturally retarded ragheads AND take a little chunk outta the population, hey its not like we couldnt use it...


Well can anyone say Apocalypse?
aint that the fuckin' truth?

[PsychedelicSins]

It is the truth cause its going to happen. Can you even imagine what would happen if Israel lost?


I dont want to think about it....

[The Figment]

I'm gonna play the Devil's Advocate Here so bear with me...

How would we (The U.S.) feel if the rest of the world said "We are gonna give Rhode Island to (Insert oppresed Group Here), and we are not gonna pay you for it,you MUST move all people living there out,you have no choice,Sorry!!

This is what the U.N. did in 1947 to Palistine to create Isreal! A very Kneejerk reaction to the Holocost and WW II!! and some wonder why they are pissed??

I say this being of Jewish decent

[Cooler Then Jesus]

i think i might go over to isreal and join the military, sorrry guys =( atleast i get to use a IMI Galil and a IMI Desert Eagle, isreal has mutch better military than the US, if they had a military force as BIG as the US, then they would be UNSTOPABLE.

a full scale military vs. random unorganized savage gunmen.

[graymatter]

I'm gonna play the Devil's Advocate Here so bear with me...

How would we (The U.S.) feel if the rest of the world said "We are gonna give Rhode Island to (Insert oppresed Group Here), and we are not gonna pay you for it,you MUST move all people living there out,you have no choice,Sorry!!

This is what the U.N. did in 1947 to Palistine to create Isreal! A very Kneejerk reaction to the Holocost and WW II!! and some wonder why they are pissed??

I say this being of Jewish decent


Good point! This escalation is over a single captured soldier....? Bull shit! I said it when this first broke out and I'll say it again, the U.S. is using the Jews to justify supporting or conducting preemptive strikes against Iran.

Yesterday Rumsfeld said more troops were needed in Iraq to deal with the insurgents.

[rainbows.rsexy]

poor little israel.....

[Tom Swierzbinski]

Good point! This escalation is over a single captured soldier....? Bull shit! I said it when this first broke out and I'll say it again, the U.S. is using the Jews to justify supporting or conducting preemptive strikes against Iran.

Yesterday Rumsfeld said more troops were needed in Iraq to deal with the insurgents.


Its now over another two captured soldiers, as Hezbollah claim theyve got another couple of Isralies. I dont see why North Korea cant have a missile that can fly 5,000 miles or however long it is. Every single country that N.Korea would like to strike has advanced radar systems, so we would be able to see it coming anyway. Plus the fact that the whole of N. Korea is under surveillance by the Americans kinda lets the Western World know whats happening over there.

Shit, why cant Iran develop a nuclear reactor for power? Their only concern is getting rid of Isreal, and thats a corrupt country if Ive ever seen one. Why cant the Western World just leave the Eastern World alone? If we leave them alone, then they have no reason to strike us. Binny Laden is only mad at us because we are occupying 'Holy Land' and damn right he should be bombing us. I dont feel sadness or pain when I see the 7/7 bombings or 9/11, I feel relief that theyve finally done it. Were getting what we deserve after all these years, and theyre taking the war from their land onto ours. Not nice is it? Sadly, I think its going to take a lot more than the occasional random bombings for people to feel sympathy for the Iraqis. I think its going to have to get to the point where carbombings (in the UK/US) dont even make the news anymore because theyre so regular. How many do they have each day in Iraq now, about 5 or 6 isnt it? Some days it even goes into double figures. Its become a way of life for them, and for us to fully understand what weve done to their country, were going to have to start experiencing it on a daily basis aswell.

P.S I dont plan on blowing myself up if thats what your thinking :)

[robert42]

israel is sick, if any other country did what they do the UN would impose sanctions of them. they get away with murder literally

[bobzbazil]

i think i might go over to isreal and join the military, sorrry guys =( atleast i get to use a IMI Galil and a IMI Desert Eagle, isreal has mutch better military than the US, if they had a military force as BIG as the US, then they would be UNSTOPABLE.

a full scale military vs. random unorganized savage gunmen.


Dude I live in Israel, and you should know that Syria is far from what u said in the above line, they have considerable leverage. Syria is the only real military threat to Israel amongst neighbours


Figment: This is not even the issue in question anymore. They are just eating themselves with envy now(the palestinians) because they know that in these 50 years they would have accomplished maybe a new type of bread (unlikely) and advance onto mechanically ground beef rather than pestle and mortar meat mush :D without much more. You think the land out there is any different to the land here in Tel Aviv where I am toking my ass off infront of TV's and the fat of the land right here readily available

They have been so consumed by getting this land back (that will take a nuke or 2) that they could not create a sustainble economy because when you have thousands of terrorists living in your people shooting rockets over the border onto civilians protected by highly organised military OFCOURSE they will not get to have their own country..and food.

They shoot us, we cut the food, water, power and money clean off . It's very simple but with all the international aid by hitler offsprings and whatnot it's not as effective as we would have liked.

Do not send them flour we dont want them to have any. Without the carbs theyll tone down a bit ;p But hell they do smell bad and are very strong bodies usually with a brain the size of a walnut.

Palestinians are direct descendants of dinosaurs they are prehistoric. Even their arab neighbours don't like them and Iran is just riding their mission to promote its own psychotic twisted views. They don't hate jews, it's an excuse to kill lots of people. They hate WESTERNISATION and fuck we all know what brands they hate... ALL THE ONES WE LIKE
.

I fucking hope they're using chemical weapons, it's good that some will survive and go home mutated and their family will have to care for them instead of going out throwing stones or blowing up in malls. On the other hand the view in a palestinian family is probably "If he's got a limp now it will be a wheelchair tomorrow.. fuckit.. lets dismember him and sell the meat to the Israeli's" or make dried dog snacks or summit :thumbsup: :thumbsup: :thumbsup: :thumbsup: :thumbsup: :thumbsup:

It's prison rules. If someone wants to spunk in ye butt u gotta killem for it. :dance:

[Don Don]

Bush is a piece of flaming shit.Why hasent somebody assinated his ass yet?How many more innocent people have to die before he satisfies his hunger for world domination?Hes sicker than Hitler in a since that he does his killing in the open and were all sucking on his alcohol addicted ass.The war in Iraq was a mistake but his bitch ass is just wont admit it because it might hurt his poll ratings.Whoops he already took care of that himself.Out of all of our presidents he is the worst.I mean think about it for a second,the world has never been in more chaos than at this moment,and it all started when Sadam's statue was pulled down that fateful day.That was sopposed to be the end of violence in iraq,it was only the beggining.Thanks Dubya for nothing.I hope the devil has fun playing with your soul for all of eternity.

[The Figment]

Dude I live in Israel, and you should know that Syria is far from what u said in the above line, they have considerable leverage. Syria is the only real military threat to Israel amongst neighbours


Figment: This is not even the issue in question anymore. They are just eating themselves with envy now(the palestinians) because they know that in these 50 years they would have accomplished maybe a new type of bread (unlikely) and advance onto mechanically ground beef rather than pestle and mortar meat mush :D without much more. You think the land out there is any different to the land here in Tel Aviv where I am toking my ass off infront of TV's and the fat of the land right here readily available

They have been so consumed by getting this land back (that will take a nuke or 2) that they could not create a sustainble economy because when you have thousands of terrorists living in your people shooting rockets over the border onto civilians protected by highly organised military OFCOURSE they will not get to have their own country..and food.

They shoot us, we cut the food, water, power and money clean off . It's very simple but with all the international aid by hitler offsprings and whatnot it's not as effective as we would have liked.

Do not send them flour we dont want them to have any. Without the carbs theyll tone down a bit ;p But hell they do smell bad and are very strong bodies usually with a brain the size of a walnut.

Palestinians are direct descendants of dinosaurs they are prehistoric. Even their arab neighbours don't like them and Iran is just riding their mission to promote its own psychotic twisted views. They don't hate jews, it's an excuse to kill lots of people. They hate WESTERNISATION and fuck we all know what brands they hate... ALL THE ONES WE LIKE
.

I fucking hope they're using chemical weapons, it's good that some will survive and go home mutated and their family will have to care for them instead of going out throwing stones or blowing up in malls. On the other hand the view in a palestinian family is probably "If he's got a limp now it will be a wheelchair tomorrow.. fuckit.. lets dismember him and sell the meat to the Israeli's" or make dried dog snacks or summit :thumbsup: :thumbsup: :thumbsup: :thumbsup: :thumbsup: :thumbsup:

It's prison rules. If someone wants to spunk in ye butt u gotta killem for it. :dance:



This is the kind of hate that is the root of the Middle East's Problem...2000 years of this!! Well I guess what my Grandparents spent their lives fighting against is all gonna blow up in yer face! with an 'tude like that....
My Grandparents were Concentration Camp Sirvivors and they had every reason to hate LOTS of folk!! But they taught us that hate does no one any good,solves nothing,and is soul consuming. ya know their right!! Go look in a mirror! Jerk!!

[OniEhtRedrum781]

the arabs need to get along.
word

[Tom Swierzbinski]

What beats me is, all the Arabs worship that same Allah dude. Just because youre a Sunni or a Sh'iite muslim doesnt mean that youre any different from eachother. Jesus, they all need to smoke some Herb and relax. I mean, Im a chilled out mutherfucker and if someone draws a picture of God and Jesus having anal sex I wont be offended. As soon as someone draws a picture of Mohammed, thats it, theres uproar. WTF? Its only a bloody cartoon for fuck sake!

[DE.Db33t]

Dude I live in Israel, and you should know that Syria is far from what u said in the above line, they have considerable leverage. Syria is the only real military threat to Israel amongst neighbours


Figment: This is not even the issue in question anymore. They are just eating themselves with envy now(the palestinians) because they know that in these 50 years they would have accomplished maybe a new type of bread (unlikely) and advance onto mechanically ground beef rather than pestle and mortar meat mush :D without much more. You think the land out there is any different to the land here in Tel Aviv where I am toking my ass off infront of TV's and the fat of the land right here readily available

They have been so consumed by getting this land back (that will take a nuke or 2) that they could not create a sustainble economy because when you have thousands of terrorists living in your people shooting rockets over the border onto civilians protected by highly organised military OFCOURSE they will not get to have their own country..and food.

They shoot us, we cut the food, water, power and money clean off . It's very simple but with all the international aid by hitler offsprings and whatnot it's not as effective as we would have liked.

Do not send them flour we dont want them to have any. Without the carbs theyll tone down a bit ;p But hell they do smell bad and are very strong bodies usually with a brain the size of a walnut.

Palestinians are direct descendants of dinosaurs they are prehistoric. Even their arab neighbours don't like them and Iran is just riding their mission to promote its own psychotic twisted views. They don't hate jews, it's an excuse to kill lots of people. They hate WESTERNISATION and fuck we all know what brands they hate... ALL THE ONES WE LIKE
.

I fucking hope they're using chemical weapons, it's good that some will survive and go home mutated and their family will have to care for them instead of going out throwing stones or blowing up in malls. On the other hand the view in a palestinian family is probably "If he's got a limp now it will be a wheelchair tomorrow.. fuckit.. lets dismember him and sell the meat to the Israeli's" or make dried dog snacks or summit :thumbsup: :thumbsup: :thumbsup: :thumbsup: :thumbsup: :thumbsup:

It's prison rules. If someone wants to spunk in ye butt u gotta killem for it. :dance:

You're a little shit aren't you. You know in America we go around giving kickings to people of your bias. They are racist and called skinheads and we kick the ck out em for it. But I guess its a different world over their being on the other side of the stick! you are a jerk!! ;)

Try to learn a thing or too and wise up a bit. With colonisation of the palastinian homes in the 40's till today its no surprise there is an urprising. Look at israeli policy towards, looks kinda like maybe south african aparthied? or maybe native american genocide? or maybe british-india occupation?

This shit is archaec way back to empires and kings. After 2000 years of massive devolpment with advanced technology and vast understanding it is silly we fight like this.

[Fengzi]

Ok people, we all need to understand two basic points and then everything will make sense

1. Isreal (and the Jews in general) can do no wrong. If you criticize them you are anti-Semitic and a racist.

2. George W Bush can do no wrong. If you criticize him you are anti-American, unpatriotic, and a terrorist.

See, now that you know that doesn't it make sense that we should all work together to exterminate the Muslims?

[Tom Swierzbinski]

But that would be called 'Ethnic Cleansing'.

[PsychedelicSins]

Yes, ethnic cleansing...

Whos going to miss a bunch of mis-lead, culturally retarded rag-heads??

Haha not me!

Give me an easy bake raghead oven and a birthday suit......

[pandorasbox]

Yes, ethnic cleansing...

Whos going to miss a bunch of mis-lead, culturally retarded rag-heads??

Haha not me!

Give me an easy bake raghead oven and a birthday suit......
:what: :mad: :eek:

I know you were being sarcastic. Right?

[graymatter]

OK, so Hezboulah and the Jews are going at in Lebanon...

So, where's the Lebanese army hiding out in all this?

Could it be that Lebanon has had enough of hezboulah?

[VeeZee]

Yes, ethnic cleansing...

Whos going to miss a bunch of mis-lead, culturally retarded rag-heads??

Haha not me!

Give me an easy bake raghead oven and a birthday suit......
dude....shut the fuck up wit the raghead comments...honkey ass hick...

[AmericanTerrorist]

I say we "jihad" all of the muslims, and I do not mean this to be offensive but come on,I dont know about you but im fucking sick and tired of hearing about suicide bombers and people getting killed over cartoons and such and so on etc. They need to get their shit together and get with the times, the more civilized times. Its not our fault that the middle east is so far behind Western civilization. Maybe the non-extremist muslims should become radical anti-extremist muslims and jihad them because they are fucking it up for the rest of the lot. Its almost to the point where its accepted to hate muslims, I dont hate muslims, I hate their lack of respect for others and how they try to impose their beliefs through the use of extreme violence with extreme predjudice and propaganda. As I say this I do realize that the US does this as well but you cant fight fire with fire you know? Just give in already....

[Psycho4Bud]

I say we "jihad" all of the muslims, and I do not mean this to be offensive but come on,I dont know about you but im fucking sick and tired of hearing about suicide bombers and people getting killed over cartoons and such and so on etc.

Sorry but in all races and religions you'll find assholes. Gotta find a way to weed out the bad..........in the end we're all humans.

Hamas, Hezbollah, Al-Quada......there's your problems....not the Muslims.

Have a good one!:thumbsup:

[paparose]

Iran and Syria need to be wiped off the face of the earth. You could kill two birds with one stone. Get rid of a bunch of culturally retarded ragheads AND take a little chunk outta the population, hey its not like we couldnt use it...


Well can anyone say Apocalypse?

U are a fucking red neck and people like you should be wiped off asshole

[paparose]

Jews must stop whining and crying about the holocost!!! They must leave gazze and all other soil they took illegaly. what happened to them in WWII does not give them right to the same to others!!
Lebanese are bunch of poor people with weak arms. Same as white man against native americans with arrow and bows. Only twisted minded countries attack on weak ones, if Israel thinks his army is the best then they should fight with their own match. This is a pussy war, strong against weak. unjust, unfair and evil.....

[Psycho4Bud]

Only twisted minded countries attack on weak ones, if Israel thinks his army is the best then they should fight with their own match. This is a pussy war, strong against weak. unjust, unfair and evil.....

Likewise, maybe the weaker of the two should quite kicking the bigger dog. After a while of this, the dog bites back.........agreed?

Have a good one!:thumbsup:

[LordSmaug]

Go Isreal. Palastine's just pissed off because mohammed told them to be. As a matter of fact, Muslims want to dominate the world, and kill every non-muslim along the way -or make them pay a special tax and live as scumb-class citizens- (I didn't make that up it's all over the Qur'an)

I say we need to stop trying to be so fucking "politically Correct" and declare war against the real tyrant here, which is Islam. And as far as us getting pulled out of Iraq, whoever thought that would ever happen in our lifetime is just being foolish. I mean, look at Japan and Germany, we still have Military bases and tons of troops in both but we're never going to budge are we?

It's just how the U.S. Rolls, if we don't like how you're running your country we'll bitch slap you. -which I think is complete bullshit-

p.s. Fuck the u.n.

[VeeZee]

american terrorist....take those pic's out....im muslim and that is very offending...and im trying to fucken keep my cool and ask nicely....

[halo]

american terrorist....take those pic's out....im muslim and that is very offending...and im trying to fucken keep my cool and ask nicely....

Boo frickin hoo! I am christian and have to deal with tons of stuff that defames the lord on an almost daily basis. Such as jesus fighting santa clause on south park. Or tons of people constantly telling me christianity is bad and all sorts of shit. Yah it sucks but this is the internet. Where you can post anything. If your offended dont look at the pics then.

[AmericanTerrorist]

american terrorist....take those pic's out....im muslim and that is very offending...and im trying to fucken keep my cool and ask nicely....

I cant delete them, and I think it would be wrong to

[birdgirl73]

I'm not a Muslim, and I agree that those pictures are very offensive, VeeGee. You have my sincerest reassurance that the person who posted those pictures and wrote that message does not speak for intelligent, sensitive Americans.

Thanks for keeping your cool and being so diplomatic in the face of true rudeness and bad taste, VeeGee. My heart goes out to you and members of your faith when I see blatantly inflammatory graphics like that.

You may say you don't hate Muslims, American Terrorist, but your visuals--and your impulse control in posting images like that--suggest otherwise.

[birdgirl73]

The more I think about the matter of these pictures, the more I begin thinking of the two apparently anti-Semitic-intended Nazi images that Dante Alighieri recently posted on the main board. Actually, it was a single image, and he buried it in a link and then made a textual Nazi reference, too.

This is the current events board and not the politics forum. If we're really going to be completely fair and hold everyone to the standard of being tolerant of all races and religions, are we going to let the poster of these five very blatantly inflammatory pictures slide when we didn't tolerate a single link-buried image and textual reference that was done two days ago by Dante Alighieri? Think about that, P4B. I think it's a question worth pondering.

[Psycho4Bud]

Birdgirl I agree with ya that pics like that are COMPLETELY out of line. Also, this thread and others that were in the current events are now in politics for good reason.

I did what I could with the pics but I'm not going to do the ban thing because this was more/less a political debate and even though it's not right, and people SHOULD have enough consideration NOT to post this crap, it seems to be the norm in here now. I've been debating on moving this stuff for a while now and it more less come to a head.

I really don't understand some of these folk in here. It's not a debate, it's a fuckin' hate fest! Damn Muslims.....Israel has no right to exist.......Bush is Hitler.....and people wonder why there are wars..LOL. I was debating an issue in here the other day and someone compared the "neo-cons" to Al-Quada....Unreal! Can't even get rid of the hate in a marijuana site full of stoners, how the hell do you think you'll get rid of it with a bunch of straight up tight politicians?

Ever here of people fucking things up for themselves? If this type of crap keeps on going on in here, eventually the rules WILL tighten up. Don't get the wrong idea people....it WON'T come from me bringing it to sundances attention; it'll be from members that don't appreciate lines being crossed over and over again in here!

Debate issues with respect is all I can recommend....the rest is up to you!

Have a good one!:thumbsup:

[jamstigator]

This isn't really a fight over two kidnapped soldiers. That's Israel's excuse to launch major offensives against their enemies. But probably none of this would have happened if Iran hadn't pushed the "attack Israel and get the U.S. off our backs" button.

Israel's in a tough position here. If they just let extremist groups kidnap their soldiers and lob missiles into their cities, their citizens get pissed, and their enemies get bolder and the attacks on them get worse. So they *have* to do something. And since the Lebanese government has basically zero control over the extremists running amok in their country, Israel can't just ask politely if the Lebanese government would please keep people inside their country from lobbing missiles and staging attacks from their territory - the Lebanese government can't do anything about it.

Put yourself in the position of the Israelis. Let's say some extremists in Mexico start staging attacks into U.S. territory and kidnapping and killing people, and lobbing missiles at our southern cities. We ask the Mexican government to make these people stop doing it, but they say (and it's true) that there's nothing they can do. Do you think the U.S. would just shrug it off, and say, "Okay, sorry you can't do anything about it, so we'll just be peaceful and watch the missiles blow up our cities, no big deal, we have other cities." Hell no, that wouldn't happen; the U.S. would go kick some ass and either make the attacks stop, or eradicate the attackers entirely.

[Psycho4Bud]

Hell yes...tell it like it is jamstigator! NO other country would put up with that type of bullshit. Great post!

Have a good one!:thumbsup:

[rhino44]

Israel is shit without the U.S. I wish we would abandon the sorry fuckers and let them have to fight for themselves instead of hiding behind Uncle Sam and acting all high and mighty. Fuckers need to be taught some humility.

[Psycho4Bud]

I think they can do alright based on this:
http://www.globalfirepower.com/country_detail.asp?country_id=23
Compare countries and tell me who in the middle east is going to take them out?
http://www.globalfirepower.com/countries_comparison.asp

Not to mention that they DO have nukes.

Have a good one!:thumbsup:

[rhino44]

Who made all that technology available to them? They would be just as weak militarily as the rest of the middle east if it weren't for the U.S. We allowed them to develop in that manner.

I will have a good one, thanks. You do the same:pimp:

edit: some of those numbers are pretty frightening. China is a friggen monster.

[Psycho4Bud]

Who made all that technology available to them? They would be just as weak militarily as the rest of the middle east if it weren't for the U.S. We allowed them to develop in that manner.

I will have a good one, thanks. You do the same:pimp:

edit: some of those numbers are pretty frightening. China is a friggen monster.

Do a lil' research on who gave them nuclear technology...wasn't the U.S.! Viva La France....:rolleyes:

Operation Sampson states that in case of imminant defeat...they turn the whole middle east into a glass parking lot. If it weren't for the U.S. playing the part of big brother...........

Have a good one!:thumbsup:

[rhino44]

Do a lil' research on who gave them nuclear technology...wasn't the U.S.! Viva La France....:rolleyes:

Operation Sampson states that in case of imminant defeat...they turn the whole middle east into a glass parking lot. If it weren't for the U.S. playing the part of big brother...........

Have a good one!:thumbsup:

No kidding? Even more incentive for the U.S. and U.N. to backoff and let the chips fall where they may.

[Psycho4Bud]

On 3 October 1957, France and Israel signed a revised agreement calling for France to build a 24 MWt reactor (although the cooling systems and waste facilities were designed to handle three times that power) and, in protocols that were not committed to paper, a chemical reprocessing plant. This complex was constructed in secret, and outside the IAEA inspection regime, by French and Israeli technicians at Dimona, in the Negev desert under the leadership of Col. Manes Pratt of the IDF Ordinance Corps.
http://www.fas.org/nuke/guide/israel/nuke/

One list of current reasons for an Israeli nuclear capability is:

To deter a large conventional attack,
To deter all levels of unconventional (chemical, biological, nuclear) attacks,
To preempt enemy nuclear attacks,
To support conventional preemption against enemy nuclear assets,
To support conventional preemption against enemy non-nuclear (conventional, chemical, biological) assets,
For nuclear warfighting,
The â??Samson Optionâ?� (last resort destruction).111
http://www.au.af.mil/au/awc/awcgate/cpc-pubs/farr.htm

Some good reading here...........

Have a good one!:thumbsup:

[Great Spirit]

Bush is a piece of flaming shit.Why hasent somebody assinated his ass yet?How many more innocent people have to die before he satisfies his hunger for world domination?Hes sicker than Hitler in a since that he does his killing in the open and were all sucking on his alcohol addicted ass.The war in Iraq was a mistake but his bitch ass is just wont admit it because it might hurt his poll ratings.Whoops he already took care of that himself.Out of all of our presidents he is the worst.I mean think about it for a second,the world has never been in more chaos than at this moment,and it all started when Sadam's statue was pulled down that fateful day.That was sopposed to be the end of violence in iraq,it was only the beggining.Thanks Dubya for nothing.I hope the devil has fun playing with your soul for all of eternity.Amen!! DOWN WITH BUSH!! ZIONIST BRANCH PUPPET OF THE ILLUMINATI!!

I hope the Earth ascends in 2012. At least we'll have some peace.

[graymatter]

This isn't really a fight over two kidnapped soldiers. That's Israel's excuse to launch major offensives against their enemies. But probably none of this would have happened if Iran hadn't pushed the "attack Israel and get the U.S. off our backs" button.

Israel's in a tough position here. If they just let extremist groups kidnap their soldiers and lob missiles into their cities, their citizens get pissed, and their enemies get bolder and the attacks on them get worse. So they *have* to do something. And since the Lebanese government has basically zero control over the extremists running amok in their country, Israel can't just ask politely if the Lebanese government would please keep people inside their country from lobbing missiles and staging attacks from their territory - the Lebanese government can't do anything about it.

Put yourself in the position of the Israelis. Let's say some extremists in Mexico start staging attacks into U.S. territory and kidnapping and killing people, and lobbing missiles at our southern cities. We ask the Mexican government to make these people stop doing it, but they say (and it's true) that there's nothing they can do. Do you think the U.S. would just shrug it off, and say, "Okay, sorry you can't do anything about it, so we'll just be peaceful and watch the missiles blow up our cities, no big deal, we have other cities." Hell no, that wouldn't happen; the U.S. would go kick some ass and either make the attacks stop, or eradicate the attackers entirely.

The U.S. and Israel pushed this button in the hopes of provoking Iran directly. I'm not a conspiracist, but let's get the events in order. One Jewish soldier was kidnapped by Hamas, and Israel uses disproportionate force. Yes, they have enemies and these enemies have a legitimate bitch with the Jews.

Hell, I've got a bitch with the Jews and my own U.S. government...

[eg420ne]

It all started on July 12 when Israel troops were ambushed on Lebanon's side of the border with Israel. http://www.atimes.com/atimes/Middle_East/HG15Ak02.html

"The detention of Hamas parliamentarians in the early hours of Thursday morning had been planned several weeks ago and received approval from Mazuz on Wednesday. " http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/732528.html

[Marlboroman]

Ok people, we all need to understand two basic points and then everything will make sense

1. Isreal (and the Jews in general) can do no wrong. If you criticize them you are anti-Semitic and a racist.

2. George W Bush can do no wrong. If you criticize him you are anti-American, unpatriotic, and a terrorist.

See, now that you know that doesn't it make sense that we should all work together to exterminate the Muslims?

HAHA cheers man, thats funny:thumbsup:

[Psycho4Bud]

Hell, I've got a bitch with the Jews.

So what "bitch" have you got with an entire race of people. This is VERY sad!:cool:

[eg420ne]

Calls em like he see's em ...................... ................ War is the only thing zionist are good for...oh man im a anti-semite im going to hell or am I:rolleyes: both arabs & the jews they have known nothing but war for over 5000yrs........why couldnt our leaders listens to the founding fathers advice on keeping out of other peoples affairs, & it goes waaaaaaaay back not just that false flag op of 911

[jamstigator]

If the U.S. had so much clout with Hezbullah that we could force them to attack Israel, then Bush wouldn't have sounded like he did on that unscheduled microphone event. What clout does the U.S. have to get Hezbullah to do anything? Yoohoo, it's IRAN that funds them, not the U.S. When they attack, or don't attack, it's because their master with the purse strings says so.

Now, after Iran gave the go-ahead on the attacks, did Israel use the attacks against them to launch a major offensive? Indeed they did. That's certainly not something the U.S. wanted them to do though, especially with elections looming on the horizon. I doubt we want to draw Iran into any sort of direct conflict either, as Iran is capable of severely punishing us with attacks relevant to the oil market. You think the Republicans want to hit election time with gas prices double what they are now, our economy shuddering with debt strain, our armed services already stretched to the breaking point, and a Middle East in chaos? Maybe...if they really want to lose badly in the elections.

What sovereign nation capable of retaliating against an enemy wouldn't do so if the enemy started killing their people and lobbing missiles at their buildings? That's the (simplistic) way Israel sees it, and I can't blame them. Lebanon is basically controlled by extremist terrorists. If the people there hope for a more peaceful existence, then they need to wake up and figure out that playing host to terrorists makes you vulnerable to the same punishment meted out to those terrorists.

If you look at the history of Israel, mostly they just react to attacks against them, or, occasionally, preemptively attack when they perceive a looming threat. This is same ol' same ol' - someone attacks Israel, Israel lashes back. Other than Iran being an instigator of the conflict for its own purposes, this is the same stuff that's been going on for three thousand years, just with better weapons.

For those of you who think Israel is in the wrong here, what would YOU do if you were the leader of Israel and extremists in Lebanon started ranging into Israel and killing/kidnapping your people and lobbing missiles into your country? Would you ask the government of Lebanon to make them stop? Assume that's already been done, but the attacks don't stop. What would YOUR next step be? Israel chose to retaliate. But if that was the wrong response, what would the correct response be?

[eg420ne]

The real terrorist--------FoxNews 911 connection--"Evidence linking these Israelis to 9/11 is classified. I cannot tell you about evidence that has been gathered. It's classified information." -- US official quoted in Carl Cameron's Fox News report on the Israeli spy ring and its connections to 9-11. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fAoe26MaTew&search=fox%20news

Israel spy ring http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/spyring.html
Investigators within the DEA, INS and FBI have all told Fox News that to pursue or even suggest Israeli spying ... is considered career suicide

"While I agree with you, if I say anything about US geopolitical interests with Israel, I might as well clean off my desk."

Sharon to Peres: "We Control America"

[jamstigator]

Carl Cameron? You kidding me? Does anyone believe anything he says? He never backs up anything with proof. Just innuendos and allegations.

Here's a quote from a less-biased source than that whacko:

'Cameron reported these earlier investigations into Amdocs during a May 5th, 2000 broadcast on Fox, describing an â??alleged penetration of U.S. government phone systems.â?� Only towards the end of his overheated report did Cameron admit that â??there are no targeted suspects under investigation because there is no information to suggest a phone breach.â?� But then, apparently realizing he had just shot down his own report, the reporter immediately contradicted himself, claiming, â??There is clearly a breach here, some sort of threat.â?�'

What kind of shitty-ass reporting is that? So he hypes a story, defames some Israelis, then admits there are no suspects because there is no evidence, zero, that any of this happened. That ain't news. That's spin. Stuck his foot in his mouth there at the end, by admitting it was all a bunch of cow manure backed up by...nothing.

Hell, he couldn't even get the facts right. Amdocs is not a mysterious private company. It's traded publicly on the NYSE as DOX. A real reporter would have done due diligence. Unfortunately, Fox doesn't employ real reporters, they employ spin doctors.

The New York Times reported:

'The federal authorities conducted a highly classified espionage investigation into whether Israeli intelligence agents used a software company in Missouri to intercept telephone conversations from the White House, State Department and other agencies, government officials said today.

The counterintelligence inquiry did not find evidence that government telephone systems were penetrated, the officials said. The investigation focused on the Amdocs Corporation, a publicly traded corporation founded by Israelis, but failed to unearth evidence that anyone at the company or connected to it had tried to listen to government communications illegally, the officials said.

â??There just werenâ??t any facts to support a penetration,â?� said a government official who closely followed the inquiry.

The existence of the inquiry emerged today after Insight Magazine, which is published by The Washington Times, reported that the investigation had uncovered a security breach in the White House telephone system. Other news organizations quickly spread the story over their Web sites, but the accusation of a major espionage problem collapsed almost immediately. ...'

You're either as gullible as it's possible to be, eg420ne (you have to be gullible to take Cameron seriously), or you're exposing your own anti-Semitic leanings by propogating unsubstantiated smear campaigns. Either way, you're a patsy. The only question is whether you're an unknowing or a voluntary one.

[Marlboroman]

[QUOTE=Psycho4Bud]I was debating an issue in here the other day and someone compared the "neo-cons" to Al-Quada....Unreal! Can't even get rid of the hate in a marijuana site full of stoners, [QUOTE]

You can say my name there P4B, unlike others I'll own my comments, but I'll say yout takeing it out of context.

What I was pointing out is that the propaganda is slung on both sides to instigate WAR not PEACE.

And I like how you seemingly didnt read the rest of the post because then you take it to hate, I offer the following quotes of my own on the same post to prove that point.

"War is never the solution man, it only makes things worse. The loser will resent, and always come back to test the waters for further rebelion."

"Only real solution is peace, and niether of these parties seem to be interested in makeing comprimises to make a peace."


Read that post again and you will see I am talking about propaganda, and im not calling neo-cons al-quada, im compareing neo-cons to hezballa, in the context of propaganda slinging and im pointing out that the very things neo-cons say about them, are the exact things they can say about Neo-cons.

Sorry if this wasnt clear to you in the debate, however my words are almost never disrespectful.

And on the topic of the rest of your reply to BG, I think the recent upswing in pics/hate is a product of the vote to lack the rules, altho it seems you might be reconsidering that notion.

Peace.:thumbsup:

[graymatter]

So what "bitch" have you got with an entire race of people. This is VERY sad!:cool:

Nation and policies... not people. Of course, the Politically Correct phrase should read: I have a bitch with Israel's policies in the middle east ;)

[Psycho4Bud]

Nation and policies... not people. Of course, the Politically Correct phrase should read: I have a bitch with Israel's policies in the middle east ;)

THAT'S a relief!!! I was hopin' you didn't mean the other.

Have a VERY good one!:thumbsup:

[paparose]

Likewise, maybe the weaker of the two should quite kicking the bigger dog. After a while of this, the dog bites back.........agreed?

Have a good one!:thumbsup:

Thats the fucking dog that act like a bully of town. he bites for no reason..gotta kill the dog

[paparose]

Go Isreal. Palastine's just pissed off because mohammed told them to be. As a matter of fact, Muslims want to dominate the world, and kill every non-muslim along the way -or make them pay a special tax and live as scumb-class citizens- (I didn't make that up it's all over the Qur'an)

I say we need to stop trying to be so fucking "politically Correct" and declare war against the real tyrant here, which is Islam. And as far as us getting pulled out of Iraq, whoever thought that would ever happen in our lifetime is just being foolish. I mean, look at Japan and Germany, we still have Military bases and tons of troops in both but we're never going to budge are we?

It's just how the U.S. Rolls, if we don't like how you're running your country we'll bitch slap you. -which I think is complete bullshit-

p.s. Fuck the u.n.

u idiot do you know arabic to even read quran, dont talk shit when u know nothing embesile

[Psycho4Bud]

You can say my name there P4B, unlike others I'll own my comments, but I'll say yout takeing it out of context.

What I was pointing out is that the propaganda is slung on both sides to instigate WAR not PEACE.

And I like how you seemingly didnt read the rest of the post because then you take it to hate, I offer the following quotes of my own on the same post to prove that point.

"War is never the solution man, it only makes things worse. The loser will resent, and always come back to test the waters for further rebelion."

"Only real solution is peace, and niether of these parties seem to be interested in makeing comprimises to make a peace."


Read that post again and you will see I am talking about propaganda, and im not calling neo-cons al-quada, im compareing neo-cons to hezballa, in the context of propaganda slinging and im pointing out that the very things neo-cons say about them, are the exact things they can say about Neo-cons.

Sorry if this wasnt clear to you in the debate, however my words are almost never disrespectful.

And on the topic of the rest of your reply to BG, I think the recent upswing in pics/hate is a product of the vote to lack the rules, altho it seems you might be reconsidering that notion.

Peace.:thumbsup:

Hey, sorry if I offended ya by using that as an example. I got the wrong group but I consider Hamas, Hezballa, Al-Quada all of the same face, just different religious leaders. Neo-con.....republican.......as for myself, I don't put these people in the same clasification but I DO understand where you were coming from with the "propaganda" theme.

You seem to be one of the more considerate posters in this area and that it's appreciated by me and I'm sure others. Peace is always the ultimate to strive for but unfortunately we're human first and our history more/less dictates that the peace solution usually follows alot of death. I'll bet these "world leaders" loved playing "King of the Mountain" as kids.

By the way........I still say that in order to have a political debate you HAVE to leave the door a lil' more open to flaming, etc........hell, why should we have to live by a higher standard than paid politicians? Just my :twocents:

You take care, keep up the good posts and the good fight and as always....

Have a good one!:thumbsup:

[Marlboroman]

Hey, sorry if I offended ya by using that as an example. I got the wrong group but I consider Hamas, Hezballa, Al-Quada all of the same face, just different religious leaders. Neo-con.....republican.......as for myself, I don't put these people in the same clasification but I DO understand where you were coming from with the "propaganda" theme.

You seem to be one of the more considerate posters in this area and that it's appreciated by me and I'm sure others. Peace is always the ultimate to strive for but unfortunately we're human first and our history more/less dictates that the peace solution usually follows alot of death. I'll bet these "world leaders" loved playing "King of the Mountain" as kids.

By the way........I still say that in order to have a political debate you HAVE to leave the door a lil' more open to flaming, etc........hell, why should we have to live by a higher standard than paid politicians? Just my :twocents:

You take care, keep up the good posts and the good fight and as always....

Have a good one!:thumbsup:

The apology is appreciated altho, it is not needed, I have taken no offense.

As far as Death comeing before peace, I'll agree this is the human races history, but I dont agree that it has to repeat itself over and over, it only has to do that should we choose to ignore it.

On that topic im stumped as to how not to ignore it, and how to change keep it from happening again and again. But I believe it possible.

I enjoy a critical conversation, maybe a little too much for others, but for me, it fits right well.

Thank you for participating in them, and I look forward to more in the future, you have been one of the few here that have actually admitted they can see my point, and that is refreshing, altho you may not agree with my opinion, as I dont always agree with yours, its always a battle to see something from anothers perspective.

Respect
Peace:rasta:

[Psycho4Bud]

"Of those qualities on which civilization depends, next after courage, it seems to me, comes an open mind, and, indeed, the highest courage is, as Holmes used to say, to stake your all upon a conclusion which you are aware tomorrow may prove falseâ?�........Irving Dillard

Thought you'd appreciate this.

Have a good one!:thumbsup:

[Great Spirit]

Isnt it amazing that we have been saying for a few months now that there was going to be a conflict in the Middle East this summer? I know I said the US was going to invade Iran this summer, but seems like they are using Israel to do the dirty work. Israel will probably invade Syria because they say Syria is providing Hezbollah with rockets, but if they do, than Iran is jumping in. Then boom the US is in!!

Damn we're good!!

[Marlboroman]

Isnt it amazing that we have been saying for a few months now that there was going to be a conflict in the Middle East this summer? I know I said the US was going to invade Iran this summer, but seems like they are using Israel to do the dirty work. Israel will probably invade Syria because they say Syria is providing Hezbollah with rockets, but if they do, than Iran is jumping in. Then boom the US is in!!

Damn we're good!!

The seemingly inevitable invasion of Iran and Syria is exactly why I think the US has built all the military bases in Iraq.

It factors into what is called the Force Ration. And that is only one factor in an entire set that our military uses to determine whether it can win a war.

And they are now saying more troops are needed in Iraq to fight insurgents, should this be true, I would think it careless to then invade another country further streching our Military strength.

However I am not convinced this is actually the case. Seems reasonable to me to consider that the extra troops are being sent in order to invade Iran and Syria. I would also look at a draft being instilled should we actually get involved with this.

Peace.