World Cup Aftermath

[Its a Plant]

Well, as I expected, there was a small bit on the incident on ESPN today following the very controversial attack that happened towards the end of OT. Read for yourself. For me, I believe that's probably some of what happened, as well as a lot more jeering back and forth.

http://soccernet.espn.go.com/news/story?id=373675&cc=5901


'According to several very well informed sources from the world of football, it would seem that the Italian player Marco Materazzi called Zinedine Zidane a 'dirty terrorist',' SOS Racism said in a statement. Zidane, the son of Algerian immigrants, was shown a red card after the incident and Italy went on to win on penalties after the match was tied 1-1 following extra time
And how about Materazzi's response. It was professional, but at the same time, I can almost sense his sarcasm. And how's that for class, Italian fans?

'It is absolutely not true, I did not call him a terrorist. I'm ignorant. I don't even know what the word means.'
This whole thing is about what I expected to be honest, and the more I thought about it today, Zidane going off like that had to be expected when something like that was said. Think about it. It was his last game, EVER. And also for the world fucking championship, so this game was very emotional for him from the start.

I also hate how this article only adds to the racism in football. FIFA and its partners are trying to overcome racism, but with it still happening on the pitch itself, it's going to be hard to stop a handful of rowdy hooligan fans from throwing bananas at black players. Loyal fans don't hold anything back, and their passion causes them to say and do stupid shit like that. Their has to be a line drawn somewhere though, and FIFA is trying to do just that.

What does anyone else think about this whole thing?

[cannabis campbell]

You see on the news what that italian player said to him, something like 'i hope your family dies' when he knew his mum was ill which is why he headbutted him

[robert42]

NO MATTER WHAT HE SAID IF YOUR A MAN - YOU WIN THE GAME ON THE PITCH

IN 20 YEARS OF FOOTBALL IM SURE HE'S HEARD WORSE-

AND MATTERAZII WOULD NEVER OF CALLED HIM A TERRORIST - THATS NOT EVEN MUCH OF A INSULT IN ALL HONESTY

[Its a Plant]

Well clearly Zidane took it as an insult, and right he should. How can you be so sure Materazzi wouldn't have said that? I, for one, would never put something like that past him. He said that knowing good and well that Zidane is the son of Algerian family. There's absolutely no class on the Italian side, and there's nothing anyone can say to prove otherwise.

On an ESPN radio show this afternoon, they also talked about how earlier on in the game, Materazzi supposedly gave Zidane a "purple nurple". It sounds funny, but fuck those can hurt sometimes. I'm sure Zidane wasn't exactly innocent, but at the same time, a racist remark like that should not be tolerated.

[thcbongman]

Materazzi flopped when Zidine headbutted him.

With all the flops they do in soccer, you would think it's the NBA.

[robert42]

also the remarks about zidans mum AINT TRUE because..

zidane only found out before the game.

ALSO

so far on every newspaper and channel in the UK there has been over 40 diff lipreaders

WHO HAVE ALL READ IT DIFFERANTLY

who are we to say he said that?
lets not put words in to ppls mouths

[cannabis campbell]

most likely Materazzi did say that, because they got professionals to see what he said.

He wouldn't of done that to Materazzi for no reason he must of been provoked

[Its a Plant]

Well read that article I posted at the top. "A few very well-informed sources all confirmed what was said." I'd say that about does it for me at this point.

And second off, fucking read what Materazzi said as a response. What a fucking douchebag. First say something ignorant and racist like that, then he doesn't even have the balls to admit what he said? Please.

[thcbongman]

most likely Materazzi did say that, because they got professionals to see what he said.

He wouldn't of done that to Materazzi for no reason he must of been provoked

He should've headbutted him after the game!

His ejection might've not changed the result, but it sure was stupid considering it's the finals!!!!!

[robert42]

i have 20 articles here that say:

BRITAINS TOP LIP READER
WORLDS LEADIN EXPERT ON LIP READING
WELL TRUSTED SOURCES

and so on
and each quote diff things sum are hilarious and some so far from the truth.

ITS FOOTBALL
A MANS GAME
U CANT ACT LIKE THAT
IN HIS CAREER AND MANY OTHERS
U WILL GET WOUNDED UP
BUT U TAKE IT OUT AND WIN THE FIGHT ON THE PITCH
LIKE A MAN

:)

[Silverant]

Materazzi flopped when Zidine headbutted him.

With all the flops they do in soccer, you would think it's the NBA.

That's true. And Materazzi got up just fine afterwards. I think the reason he was rolling around on the floor was to get someone to notice.

I didn't like how the ESPN commentators were talking more about the incident than the actual game. Zidane this, Zidane that. It's unfortunate that his sparkling carreer was tarnished. But athletes always clash and emotions run high in all big games. I guess that the sport press is just more concerned about controversy and less about sport.

[robert42]

btw i bought every news paper as sad as it sounds lol ;)

[robert42]

That's true. And Materazzi got up just fine afterwards. I think the reason he was rolling around on the floor was to get someone to notice.

I didn't like how the ESPN commentators were talking more about the incident than the actual game. Zidane this, Zidane that. It's unfortunate that his sparkling carreer was tarnished. But athletes always clash and emotions run high in all big games. I guess that the sport press is just more concerned about controversy and less about sport.

have u seen how hard he hit him?

in slow motion I WOULD HAVE CRIED

also what he did was very dangerous

thast like givin sum 1 HARD CPR!

[thcbongman]

have u seen how hard he hit him?

in slow motion I WOULD HAVE CRIED

also what he did was very dangerous

thast like givin sum 1 HARD CPR!

Man I wish my avatar worked with animation

Materazzi flopped. Wasn't like he charged into him full speed. I'm sure he felt pain, but Materazzi overreacted to get a favorable call. He grabs the left side of his chest when he was directly hit in the middle.

Watching the World Cup made me realize flopping isn't just a problem in the NBA.

[robert42]

oh theres no denyin he exaggerated

but the intent and pain was there :)

[thcbongman]

I didn't like how the ESPN commentators were talking more about the incident than the actual game. Zidane this, Zidane that. It's unfortunate that his sparkling carreer was tarnished. But athletes always clash and emotions run high in all big games. I guess that the sport press is just more concerned about controversy and less about sport.

lmao. ESPN always hypes to make it sound like a big soap opera.

[Its a Plant]

Lol, at the same time, I'm glad Zidane didn't take any shit. He's a badass, albeit not the brightest badass. Plus that replay is awesome. He musta been TICKED.

[robert42]

*passes tbm the bong*

and says now u must say u agree with me to get a toke lol

[Its a Plant]

Ha ha. I'm not even going to touch that one right now. Me and Robert just got done with quite the session.

Maybe another day I'll try and spit out some facts to maybe change the way you look at football.

I will say that where are all the pads like in other sports? No where. It's just a ball, the pitch, and two teams of 11 going at it. It's beautiful.

Until then... : )

[thcbongman]

*passes tbm the bong*

and says now u must say u agree with me to get a toke lol

I'm in full agreement, I swear! :clap:

[TheLion]

All I know is that I was laughing my ass off and I feal his reaction was completely justified, all aspects taken into account.

[Silverant]

but man soccer players have to be THE SOFTEST sporting professionals out there!

I'd go with ping pong or curling players actually. But hey, tendonitis can be a bitch.:p

[tokinggreg]

Well clearly Zidane took it as an insult, and right he should. How can you be so sure Materazzi wouldn't have said that? I, for one, would never put something like that past him. He said that knowing good and well that Zidane is the son of Algerian family. There's absolutely no class on the Italian side, and there's nothing anyone can say to prove otherwise.

On an ESPN radio show this afternoon, they also talked about how earlier on in the game, Materazzi supposedly gave Zidane a "purple nurple". It sounds funny, but fuck those can hurt sometimes. I'm sure Zidane wasn't exactly innocent, but at the same time, a racist remark like that should not be tolerated.

Dude, don't take such a strong point of view based on "what experts believe" was said. They can speculate on their own, but the bottom line is the that the two of them were going at it, not just Materazzi yelling insults at Zidane. No matter what Materazzi said, you can't deny that Zidane reacted childlishly by retaliating with violence. He made an ASS of himself, and he deserves the bad reputation for his actions.

And to say there's no class on the Italian side?!? Are you kidding dude? The players on both teams were tight for the most part. The only two on the field that had any problem were Zidane and Materazzi. And again with the conjecture about the "purple nurple".. do you seriously believe an adult would do that? Come on, grow up and don't insult Italians.

[Its a Plant]

Dude, don't take such a strong point of view based on "what experts believe" was said. They can speculate on their own, but the bottom line is the that the two of them were going at it, not just Materazzi yelling insults at Zidane. No matter what Materazzi said, you can't deny that Zidane reacted childlishly by retaliating with violence. He made an ASS of himself, and he deserves the bad reputation for his actions.

And to say there's no class on the Italian side?!? Are you kidding dude? The players on both teams were tight for the most part. The only two on the field that had any problem were Zidane and Materazzi. And again with the conjecture about the "purple nurple".. do you seriously believe an adult would do that? Come on, grow up and don't insult Italians.
I admit I might have come off a little heated there, but things were intense. I'm cool now though, I promise.

But why wouldn't you want me to believe what I heard on a reliable sports news channel. There's no way they wouldn't say something like that unless they had reliable sources and it was the truth.

And you know what, I actually do believe that a footballer, and not just an Italian one, would stoop as low to give an opponent a "purple nurple". I know this because shit like that goes on in football all the time. I played my first year of college soccer last year, and even at some NAIA league, things I experienced were much worse. My first game, the guy I was guarding stuck his fucking thumb up my ass. Swear to it. He just stuck it right in there when the ref wasn't looking and I was trying to fight for position. Needless to say, I gave up my position momentariy so I could go check for blood somewhere...

But the point is, he won the position by doing that to me. Anything to get that extra step, that extra inch. If you haven't played at a semi-competitive level, then you really can't know only a fraction of the actual shit going on out there. A lot of players get by doing that, it's just part of the game.

[rhino44]

I think Zidane should have just channeled his anger into his game. Beating Italy and winning the Worl Cup would have been the ultimate payback for those remarks whstec=ver they may have been. I'm not saying mazeratti or w/e didnt deserve it but in a game of that magnitude self destructing at the last minute is really uacceptable and will be hard for Zidane to live with I'm sure.

[rhino44]

Materazzi the animal lol

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7HblsV-urHg&search=Materazzi

also a savage elbow

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1Gyu8W1g2co&search=brutal%20soccer

[robert42]

Dude, don't take such a strong point of view based on "what experts believe" was said. They can speculate on their own, but the bottom line is the that the two of them were going at it, not just Materazzi yelling insults at Zidane. No matter what Materazzi said, you can't deny that Zidane reacted childlishly by retaliating with violence. He made an ASS of himself, and he deserves the bad reputation for his actions.

And to say there's no class on the Italian side?!? Are you kidding dude? The players on both teams were tight for the most part. The only two on the field that had any problem were Zidane and Materazzi. And again with the conjecture about the "purple nurple".. do you seriously believe an adult would do that? Come on, grow up and don't insult Italians.

passes the bong :D too right! :D

[MeHeartGanja]

Kind of unrelated..but man soccer players have to be THE SOFTEST sporting professionals out there! They get kicked in the shins and they're down bawling their eyes out! These guys are full of shit it's disgusting to watch...i actually feel embarrassed for those guys. I love to watch the soccer, but i can't stand watching it anymore due to those pussies that can't handle a bit of pain!
You watch the grid iron and sports similar to that...some of those guys are the same builds as some of the soccer players and you see them being taken down HARD..what do you know? They are back up straight away!
They really need to change how the referees give decisions:mad:

players fake injury often!! they do it to gain time and attention, and for the formation to sort itself out. i read a few days ago, that out of like 150 injuries on the pitch only like 60-80 get a post match referral...theyre usually fine...plus not all players are sort. portugese are wimps. germany and ukraine were tough. ballack still played with cramp, and headed the last ball away from argentina. i wish players would play like men, for the good of the game.

[Its a Plant]

As I expected, FIFA is putting the gloves on and gettin' down and dirty to try and figure this one out. I just really want to see what they come up with.

http://soccernet.espn.go.com/news/story?id=373731&cc=5901

Materazzi is still keeping his mouth shut for the most part, but I think I might too if I said some of the stuff he and others do.


'I used an insult that I've heard used a dozen times and which is heard all the time on the pitch,' Materazzi told the Gazzetta dello Sport newspaper when asked whether he had insulted Zidane's sister.

'I certainly did not call him a terrorist: I'm ignorant, I don't even know exactly what an Islamic terrorist is ... I also certainly didn't say anything about Zidane's mother: for me, a mother is sacrosanct.'

Materazzi said the incident started when he grabbed Zidane by the shirt.
I was thinking a little more about this, and maybe Zidane's plans just failed. He could have very well just expected Materazzi to take the hit and not semi-flop, and maybe Zidane could have pullled it off like he just stopped and was turning around and "accidentally" collided with Materazzi. Either way, FIFA is on the case...

[smokey]

italy are nothg but cheats they couldnt beat australia without diving for a penalty and and fifa r c*nts giving rooney a 2 game ban for an accident (where else was he sposed to put his foot he didnt know the guys nuts were there the guy was behind him yet figo got nothin for a blatant headbutt in the previous game

[robert42]

haha sore loser :)

[Its a Plant]

Lol.

Rooney is about as far away from a good sportsman as the U.S. is from a World Cup trophy.

That's far.

[robert42]

well said plant ;)

also England played crap in all honesty we need to stop makin excuses and SAY WE PLAYED SHIT. end off

[Its a Plant]

I wanted to see Theo Walcott tear some shit up, but no go :(

Hopefully the Gunners play him next year..

[MeHeartGanja]

yeah it pissed the crap out of me that so many stars didnt shine, or werent even played. deco and pauleta did little, the whole brazil squad, esp ronaldinho, roberto carlos, everyone, raul, fabregas, schwienstieger, lampard played crap, rooney did little, but also had little chance...theo walcott simply is destined to warm up the bench it seems...and why crouch even made it in little league i wonder.

[Reefer Rogue]

italy are nothg but cheats they couldnt beat australia without diving for a penalty and and fifa r c*nts giving rooney a 2 game ban for an accident (where else was he sposed to put his foot he didnt know the guys nuts were there the guy was behind him yet figo got nothin for a blatant headbutt in the previous game

That penalty wasn't a dive. England did play pretty shite, you shouldn't be missing 3 penaltys at pro level =/

[robert42]

My opinions on the world cup

The whole of england played terrible compared to what they SHOULD and maybe can do.

Portugal looks hoorendous in attack and defence! how did they come 4th!! :o

brazil are showing there age and lack of defense. dont get me wrong there amazing team but not this tourny.

Italy didnt play amazing apart from against germany but they did what they had to do and they won fair and square.

France dived to score 2 goals in 2 goals to get to the finals and played their best game against italy

argentina and spain peaked too early and like a shit firework they burnt out

germany did very good for a team of average players they played with heart

ghana played very well apart from the diving aspects

holland played pretty solidly in some games but didnt look potent in attack

;)

[Its a Plant]

schwienstieger
He was in prettyyyy good form for the 3rd place game. Both of his goals were spectacular. And if the second one wasn't an own goal, he would have been my hat trick hero :)

[robert42]

i enjoyed watchign the african teams they knew they wasnt gonna win but went there to do there best good for them!

[MeHeartGanja]

He was in prettyyyy good form for the 3rd place game. Both of his goals were spectacular. And if the second one wasn't an own goal, he would have been my hat trick hero :)


where was he the rest of the tournament tho? when he was needed? lahm impressed me loads. what a stunning goal.

[NZ Ganja Smoker]

good on him, i mean he'll b remmbered 4eva now 4 doing tht, and well atleast he went out with a bang, and if the italain dude did get smart then fuck it he hade da head-buttin coming all along anyway go zidan!!!! u the man.

[Its a Plant]

All in all, I'm not disappointed at all after the dust has settled.

And you know why, lol?

Because the U.S. tied the eventual champions 1-1 and were a man down. : ) Just try and us that we're garbage :p

Seriously though, I saw an amazing month of football, and wouldn't change any of it for the world. My dream would be to see a few games in South Africa in 2010. Who's with me?

[robert42]

im goin euro 2008 ;)

[MeHeartGanja]

i wanna see euro 08 as well. ill be living in england anyway, so its nearby. if i have money i wanna go to south africa, but its not gonna be the same atmosphere as germany. i hope it will be tho...

[motahead]

Well. Here's my two cents worth as an american soccer..ahem...football player and fan and whose parents are each immigrants from two different world cup winning nations.

Best team debut: Australia and Ghana. Australia was robbed.

Best individual debut:

1.Ribery (FRA)
2. Podolski (GER)

Unofficial Most Unsportsmanlike Award (team): PORTUGAL (fouls, cards, dives, complaints, throwing water bottles....total bitches honestly)

Runner-up: ARGENTINA...total sore losers..deserved to be sent home.

Unofficial FIFA Most unsportsmanlike Award (player):

1. Cristiano Ronaldo (He's really good but a total diving cryin bich)
2. Wayne Rooney (this kid needs to chill and he will rule football.
3. Mattarazi (this guy is just a f--kin' shithead)

yeah I guess Zidane too.. but he was provoked.

Worst game:

1. Judgement at Nuremberg. Portugal vs. the Netherlands. Hack fest 2006.
2. Italy vs. the USA (How many players can you send off in one game?)

Biggest disappointments (team):

1. BRAZIL. Dude, oh shit did we just lose? Wait....don't we always win?
2. ENGLAND. Dude, where's the GOAL? What do you mean we have no strikers left?

Biggest disappoinments (player)

The three R's : Ronaldo, Ronaldihno and Rooney

Honorable mention: Ballach, Beckham

Still the fuckin' Man yet no one seems to give much of a shit:

KLOSE. This guy is the best all around striker there is in the past World Cups, shows up and scores period. But he's not a pretty boy so he gets no press. Maybe because he's really polish.

[motahead]

Because the U.S. tied the eventual champions 1-1 and were a man down. : ) Just try and us that we're garbage :p


Dude..I am a full on USA supporter. But let's be real.

We're NOT garbage. Not at all. But we're not that great either.

We "tied" Italy only because they scored on themselves and then we got called for a crap penalty. With a good ref and 11 on 11 we would have lost. Maybe drawn 0-0.

You know why? Because we cannot score. At least not at the level that is required to do well in an international tournament. Sure we can hang with the best but to actually BEAT them takes a little more than NOT losing.

Yeah McBride is good. Are players are GOOD. But to do well in the World Cup you have to be GREAT. We're on the same level as say a decent aisan or central/south american team. Like a Paraguay or a South Korea. They're not bad...but they are not winning the world cup anytime soon.

I'm sick of Donovan. He just sucked. Maybe he should be playing in Europe instead of being a homesick baby and playing for the LA galaxy. That's not going to prepare you to lead the team in the WC for chrissake.

Bruce Arena is out of his league. We need a coach that knows international football because he has been THERE. Like a Gus Hiddink etc. Bruce is really just a glorified college coach who got lucky in 2002. I love the guy but he should be coaching in the MLS.

Maybe Klinsmann will come coach us..but I doubt it now.

[MeHeartGanja]

this is a random note: world cup suicide...why?

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/europe/5168890.stm

i agree with motahead mostly, but there were far more dissapointing players...the players that play so well for their clubs cant play with the national team because the coaches cant get a gameplan going, and cant sort out tactics. teamwork has gone down the drain, and theres no way you can shine without the help of others.

[Its a Plant]

Dude..I am a full on USA supporter. But let's be real.

We're NOT garbage. Not at all. But we're not that great either.

We "tied" Italy only because they scored on themselves and then we got called for a crap penalty. With a good ref and 11 on 11 we would have lost. Maybe drawn 0-0.

You know why? Because we cannot score. At least not at the level that is required to do well in an international tournament. Sure we can hang with the best but to actually BEAT them takes a little more than NOT losing.

Yeah McBride is good. Are players are GOOD. But to do well in the World Cup you have to be GREAT. We're on the same level as say a decent aisan or central/south american team. Like a Paraguay or a South Korea. They're not bad...but they are not winning the world cup anytime soon.

I'm sick of Donovan. He just sucked. Maybe he should be playing in Europe instead of being a homesick baby and playing for the LA galaxy. That's not going to prepare you to lead the team in the WC for chrissake.

Bruce Arena is out of his league. We need a coach that knows international football because he has been THERE. Like a Gus Hiddink etc. Bruce is really just a glorified college coach who got lucky in 2002. I love the guy but he should be coaching in the MLS.

Maybe Klinsmann will come coach us..but I doubt it now.
Lol, I get you man, and when I said that, I was joking, hence the smiley with his tounge out....:p

The U.S. will get better, yeah, but there's not a chance in hell we'd be lucky enough to snag Klinsmann at this point. Arena does need the boot though, and I still feel he's part of the reason the Yanks did so poorly. His strategy was totally flawed from the start. He was hoping to just sit back and play solid, uber-conservative football and hope to get lucky like in 2002 when they went to the Quarterfinals by the hand of God. There was not nearly enough urgency in his game plan, and thus the players naturally didn't perform like everyone expected.

They need some new blood in there. I would be all for a guy like Eric Wynalda at this point, because haha, let's face it, he sucks as an announcer, but at least he's played at that level. There were talks of possibly having him coach, so we'll see.

[motahead]

Right on..I new you were kidding. Nice to see another US soccer fan...who tokes too.

Yeah we need a new coach. Wynalda would be cool or John Harkes somebody who knows their shit and has been there. I'm hoping that maybe one of those dudes will be an assistant coach and we can get somebody who has proven management skills internationally and then Wynalda and Harkes can provide the american influence.

But we also need some players..like the kind who will bust their asses in Europe even if they don't play...they still will be practicing and training at a level that we need them to play at.

I thought Convey and Dempsey and Eddie Johnson did well..they were taking guys on and going for goal. We HAVE to be able to score.

I think Arena held on too long to guys that although are great US players, just don't have the pace anymore..like Reyna and Pope for instance.

For us to compete, the team has to make up what it lacks in skill with fitness..for that you can't have guys over 30 out there realistically.

we'll see what happens now..

[robert42]

wtf this aint politics load of crap!

[Its a Plant]

Lol, but technically it's news. I still say what a crock!

Now no one will have the chance to throw their opinions in, b/c hardly anyone stops by here. ~

[motahead]

wtf this aint politics load of crap!

Ease up "mate"..

change your avatar man...I think I have called you on your use of the n-bomb before.. no need for it

especially if your white and from the UK, ROBERT.

[robert42]

Ease up "mate"..

change your avatar man...I think I have called you on your use of the n-bomb before.. no need for it

especially if your white and from the UK, ROBERT.

how do u know im not mix raced?

opinions are like arseholes everyone has one

you seem to be the only person with a problem with my av, and no i wont change it for no one cos it aint offensive.

Toody Loo ;)

[robert42]

how ever i will be changing my av soon, not because of the content of it but because its time for a change :)

[Its a Plant]

Muahaha. Suckers must pay.

And so will Materazzi. Maybe. Possibly. Sorta. It's actually like 50/50.

http://soccernet.espn.go.com/news/story?id=373838&cc=5901


'Both players have been summoned to attend a face-to-face hearing before the disciplinary committee at FIFA headquarters in Zurich on Thursday, 20 July.'
That's coming so soon! I love it. It's like a post-World Cup soap opera.

Any thoughts on the outcome?

[Puff Piff]

hopefully Zidane isn't stripped of the best player award...
since Fifa doesn't decide theres a chance he may loose it
it's a good thing he has tons of supporters backing him though..
i'm not sure about the Materazzi situation,
but i think it apparent he perpetuated the conflict throughout the game..
just wish zinedine waited until after the game..

[Its a Plant]

But Zidane said a number of times : "If I didn't do anything, then that means that Materazzi was right by what he said, and I couldn't have that as a man."

I definitely respect his decision, but I don't think a lot of France will. He could have at least been a TAD more discrete in how he went about laying out that fuck. Oh well.

[SparkandFly]

Yeah, i'm kind of on Zidane's side on this one, and after seeing the Italians dive all day long, im know im not the only person that was kinda happy when he did it.

Anyways...Headbut on the field = red card

Headbut off the field = Jail.