Intelligent People are Chronics too!

[paulinator]

Hello, I am a recent University Graduate from Alberta Canada. I am a qualified Mechanical Engineer. I have taken eight math courses at the University level, and you know what? I smoke marijuana. The guys I went to school with always thought I would drop out because I blazed everyday after school, sometimes even the night before a big test. I made it! I'm lookin for a job now but you know if marijuana was legal to cultivate I would be one of the best. I have taken heat transfer classes (that includes light and radiation), and fluid mechanics classes as well as structural mechanics.

I can make calculations on fan requirements and grow room efficiency easily, I can also design the BEST indoor setup with my knowledge. Anyone lookin for some tips just drop me a line. Don't be fooled by my inexperience, check out my first:


http://boards.cannabis.com/showthread.php?t=72404

[1234abcd]

Everyone on this site knows that you can smoke weed and be intelligent also. Its the the dumbfucks and the rest of the population that looks down on us just because of the fuckups who make us look bad. I dont give a fuck what anyone says...I am just as smart or smarter with my chronic daily use of MJ.

Props on your grad, sounds like a hard ass degree. I dropped out after my AA, so I guess Im considered one of the "dumb stoners", but fuck everyone who thinks that..I am going to make plenty of money without any degree because I am an blazin entrepreneur.

[pumpkin]

Well it's good to see that you think so highly of yourself! :p :thumbsup: :)

[LIP]

Well it's good to see that you think so highly of yourself! :p :thumbsup: :)

I was thinking the same thing tbh

[cannabis campbell]

Lmao weed doesn't make you stupid I know people who smoke a oz a week and have straight A+'s it doesnt mean anything at all

[ugexe]

I actually enjoy the mind dulling... helps to give the brain a rest

[swampdog420]

Bravo to all the CHRONICS in the universe, may the force be with us! Neil Young says it makes him the creative person that he is. It expands the mind eh. Can you imagine if everybody who partakes of the sticky icky just said fuck it and sparked up as if it were already legal? I mean the court systems wouldn't be able to handle it. STAND UP FOR WHAT YOU BELIEVE, power to the people right on! Let's change it by civil disobedience. I'm glad to be living in Canada although Steve Harper is a George Bush wannabe. Christ can you imagine that. Anyways all keep on doin what we all love to do and FUCK THE MAN have a nice day ;]

[stoneybone]

Well it's good to see that you think so highly of yourself! :p :thumbsup: :)


Thank God we finally have an intellectual on this site!

[paulinator]

I'm glad to be living in Canada although Steve Harper is a George Bush wannabe.


He IS!!!!!!! man when we had the liberals they had the opportunity to do something about legalization, but now that harper is sleeping with bush.... No chance!

anyways thx for the creds -> this is a nice community you'll see me here for a while

[Cyclonite]

Iâ??m going to school for mechanical engineering, I was actually thinking about quitting for a bit or cutting back. A good memory helps with the harder math, thermodynamics and all that good stuff. Plus I do all my own investing and trading and I smoke everyday. It does make me kinda lazy though.

Pot is what I use to relax and get a good night sleep so all the information I received for the day can be wired into my brain. All the "burnouts" would still be burnouts even without pot, its too bad people are so quick to prejudge based on the actions and lifestyles of few. I hope one day I can pick up a pack of "Marlboro greens" at the gas station :smokin:, our voices can't be stifled forever.

[kd609728]

yea i smoke weed then take tests and I am in college. However I will not say it helps, especially with math.

[shad0w58]

that is the perception , your right . a lot of people have it. smart people, idiots, and people who smoke. but i'm an english major ,steadily providing proof that those who do believe that are wrong. ya think einstein didnt fill his pipe with a little e3 scientistic funkdoctor??? i'd put money on it.

[SpiritLevel]

I'm sorry for this long post.

Having a degree doesn't make one intelligent. I know many people with one, two, or more degrees and not all, or many of them are greatly intelligent.

Having a degree, in my personalised view, only represents one's affinity to follow a curriculum mapped out by a government. Is that intelligence? Getting a good grade doesn't mean you got the correct/truthful answer, it means your answer matches that of the person who is marking your exam paper. Essentially you have learned only what the government want you to learn and 'little' much else.

No good holding up your degree like its some great accoloade or 'what not'. It is merely a token that you have accepted a 'degree' more system programming than the average person that hasn't been certified in that way.

Intelligent, according to my dictionary, means (1) adj; clever, (2) n intellect; information, esp. military.

There ain't a fat lot clever about following in the path of academia and not questioning the legitimacy of the information brought to you, while taking for granted that the governance of the current curriculum in force hasn't fallen into disrepair like all other aspects of politics.

To be intelligent, then, is to utilise one's intellect. Intellect is the Power of Thinking and Reasoning. If one realises their intelligence only after acquiring a degree then their new found Intelligence is based on their subjugation to academic institutions.

In my view this isn't their own pure mode of thinking but an attained mode which arrives with good grades and a borrowed way of thinking gained by years of listening to teachers and lecturers who mostly have the same level of intelligence because they went through the same conditioning process.

The only good thing is that you still smoke pot and someday you might have an awakening to the façade, smoke-screen and mirrors.

[mrdevious]

I've never believed in having "intelligence" as a single line, a one-number-IQ, a person being "smart" or "dumb". The brain is a complex organ with many MANY different areas involved in cognitive activity, each area being stronger or weaker than others. Like me, for instance:

- In school I had writing and vocabulary skills far above the rest of my class -

- I have terrible mathematical abilities

- I had an ability to study psychology a quarter as much as everybody else in my psych class and understand and remember it better than most (I got 89%)

- I can't understand microbiology worth a shit

- Studying and understand relativity, and quantum mechanics, comes easily to me.

- Essays and reports assigned to me in school, which we were given 2-3 weeks to finish, I finished on average in 2 days and always got an A on them.

- every time I go downstairs to get something, I go into the wrong room and forget why I went down.

So yeah, IQ is over rated.

[anycraic]

well historically speaking, cannabis has always been popular in the more intelligent sectors of society. i believe mj is wasted on stupid people, as they would get nowhere near the same effect from it. but sadly it is wasted on em, and they are a useful stereotype for society to latch onto and make the rest of us look bad. ah well

[Faultydesign]

"Not that which goeth into the mouth defileth a man; but that which cometh out of the mouth, this defileth a man." (Matt. 15:11)

[JR77]

I graduated college with straight A's and I have almost completed my Masters Degree...all the while blazin! It puts me in a better mood! I've probably lost some brain cells along the way...but oh well!

[paulinator]

Spiritlevel, you probably spent all day trying to figure the best sounding way to flame me. Fuck you! You don't even know me, I'm by far more intelligent than you because I can respect other people's opinions and views, and I can think on my own not findind someone's definition. If you ever took engineering with an open mind you'd realize that everything is connected, math = truth. Nothing can be created or destroyed. Everything is always going into a state of chaos. An object in motion will stay in motion until a force is acted upon it. You can think of that mathematically or spiritually. Math = spirituality = unity.

[anycraic]

paulinator, i like ur attitude

[420somewhere]

I'm sorry for this long post.

Having a degree doesn't make one intelligent. I know many people with one, two, or more degrees and not all, or many of them are greatly intelligent.

Having a degree, in my personalised view, only represents one's affinity to follow a curriculum mapped out by a government. Is that intelligence? Getting a good grade doesn't mean you got the correct/truthful answer, it means your answer matches that of the person who is marking your exam paper. Essentially you have learned only what the government want you to learn and 'little' much else.

No good holding up your degree like its some great accoloade or 'what not'. It is merely a token that you have accepted a 'degree' more system programming than the average person that hasn't been certified in that way.

Intelligent, according to my dictionary, means (1) adj; clever, (2) n intellect; information, esp. military.

There ain't a fat lot clever about following in the path of academia and not questioning the legitimacy of the information brought to you, while taking for granted that the governance of the current curriculum in force hasn't fallen into disrepair like all other aspects of politics.

To be intelligent, then, is to utilise one's intellect. Intellect is the Power of Thinking and Reasoning. If one realises their intelligence only after acquiring a degree then their new found Intelligence is based on their subjugation to academic institutions.

In my view this isn't their own pure mode of thinking but an attained mode which arrives with good grades and a borrowed way of thinking gained by years of listening to teachers and lecturers who mostly have the same level of intelligence because they went through the same conditioning process.

The only good thing is that you still smoke pot and someday you might have an awakening to the façade, smoke-screen and mirrors.


Wow. I was reading and for like the first 2 paragraphs I was with you. Then I started getting into education and how it's really what the government fabricated for us? Cmon now, I am mathematical guy myself. I want/am going to be (and in college right now for...) a high school calculus/geometry teacher. I love math. It's ALWAYS true. Prove it false once in geometry and it can never be true. What else is like that?? It's legit everytime, it HAS TO make sense, if it is wrong...it's wrong. Don't see the gov't tampering with that? Even my American Democracy teacher this year in college was hardcore AGAINST how the government was being ran. Seriously dude.... I see a few possibilities. I won't go out and SAY you're not in college or didn't go to college, but the way you speak it makes you sound bitter. Bitter because you didn't make it in school and need to blame it for your shortcomings, or because you never went to college at all and you have no idea what it's even like?

Seriously....you remind me of a completely un-cool slightly dumber version of Stephen Hyde off of "That 70's Show." On that show Hyde is cool as hell because at least his idea of the government isn't exttreeeemmmeeeellllyyyy crazy and he's a rational dude.....you...are just wrong??

[ThatTokenWhiteGuy]

Too bad they don't teach modesty at the university level :D

[Samwhore]

yep, im a pothead and im smart too!

power to us peeps!

[jamstigator]

In my opinion, colleges cater to the middle parts of the intellectual bell curve, but don't do very well with those at the extreme ends of the bell curve. I tried college, for the usual reasons: thought it would enable me to get a higher-paying job, blah blah. But it just wasn't for me, and I quit after a year.

There were two things that made college not worthwhile for me. First, I did a 4-year stint in the Army after high school, and worked a year after that, so I was 24 when I began college. I'd seen a lot of the world, had some major responsibilities, and I was just too mature to fit in with the rest of the folks. My Advanced English Comp teacher was actually younger than me, and probably knew less about english composition than me.

The second problem I had is that I am at the end of the bell curve. The summer before college began, I knew my courses, and one was a course in Pascal (a programming language). So over the summer I delved into Pascal, and by the end of the summer I had written a fairly decent 3-D modeling application with Turbo Pascal 4.0, for modeling various mathematical equations visually. (Nothing too advanced, no hidden line removal, but hey.) Then when I began college, I was stuck in a class where everyone else was figuring out how to assign strings to variables and pass them in procedures and such. I was so far beyond them that I was bored stiff. I tried to alleviate my boredom by doing more advanced stuff that interested me, like writing a prime number cracker utilizing an algorithm I developed called 'The Shifting Sieve of Eratosthenes', which uses the traditional Sieve of Eratosthenes, but shifts necessary parts of the matrix into and out of RAM as needed, so that a lower-powered computer (like a PC) could crack fairly large primes. But then I wondered, why am I paying $10k/year when I am learning more, and learning better, on my own, for free?

Colleges are pretty decent for the 90-130 IQ crowd, but if you're outside that range, at either end, odds are you're going to have some issues with college. Either they will teach too fast for you to handle, or so slowly that you simply can't stand it. I'm not knocking college. But it certainly isn't for everyone.

[Cyclonite]

Yea I did 4 in the army also, im pursuing a ME degree because it compliments what I do already and more $$. Oh and the fact I get all of it paid for by benefits I would lose if I don't use. I do it all online, don't deal with anyone except me unless I ask a question. I was an EOD tech in the army, itâ??s a thinking job by far. The army still dumbed me down a little, now that im back in school exercising my brain iv noticed im learning easier all around. Me with a BS in ME is better by far than me without one.

Math is one of my weaker points....so gotta get rid of the weakness. Itâ??s all about personal improvement. There is no end to it, should be a lifelong process. I work with plenty of people with advanced degrees and I believe myself to be more intelligent than say 80% of them.

I doubt I would go if it came out of my pocket 100%

[paulinator]

Word! Thanks for all the input in this thread guys. ;).

Thing is, I have a total debt of under 30K Canadian for getting my Bsc in ME. School is totally different in the US ($$$$). I became a ME to design rollercoasters, amusement park rides, waterslides, and rolling ball sculptures (RBS).

RBS's can be as creative as one makes it, the basics of these machines are: raising balls via a lift and then letting them descend in an array of rails, switches, musical instruments, and its a continous stream of dynamics. Ive seen some that acted as a large clock. Every second the ball struck a lever connected to the second arm of the clock and was timed like that. The lift was an archimedes screw lift propelled by a small electric motor. Imagine having a little tiny one in your office or something? Just chillin, can't think of anything and turn this thing on and its WOW!!! Too much to look at everywhere hehehehe... (I'm baked as hell hehehhe). I get extremly euphoric whenever I get to witness these wonders, and I'm never stoned. I have a sketch of some things I want to put in mine.

If I land the job I just got interviewed twice for, then I can start my career as a design engineer and then do some RBS's and scale rollercoasters n shit on the side cuz i'll have $$$.

I'll post if I got the job or if I'll continue sniffin glue at the woodshop... lol

[SpiritLevel]

Spiritlevel, you probably spent all day trying to figure the best sounding way to flame me. Fuck you! You don't even know me, I'm by far more intelligent than you because I can respect other people's opinions and views, and I can think on my own not finding someone's definition. If you ever took engineering with an open mind you'd realize that everything is connected, math = truth. Nothing can be created or destroyed. Everything is always going into a state of chaos. An object in motion will stay in motion until a force is acted upon it. You can think of that mathematically or spiritually. Math = spirituality = unity.

Just to reply.

Yeah Paulinator, you got me. I sat at my computer for several hours thinking how I can vent my inner anger at you.

True also, I donâ??t know you, and you may well be more intelligent than I. But since you donâ??t know me either I guess that is just merely a theoretical statement. You have the right to claim greater intelligence over me; people have the right to think and say what ever they want, just because they do doesn't make it right. I think the mistake you make is by telling the world it is because you have the belief that you have a more extensive capacity to respect other peopleâ??s views and opinions than I. How is this so when all I did was post my opinion which is very different to everyone elseâ??s I might add, and you then take offence? You canâ??t have props all the time!

In my view people lose intelligence when the get wound up.

You probably can think on your own too, for a majority of the Worldâ??s population also have that ability. Though I think that you are too quick to say you donâ??t need to use other peopleâ??s definitions then in the second breath start blabbering on about some course in engineering. I went to the dictionary definition of a couple of words to ensure that my view was on point and not detracting from that point for the benefit of people who play with/on words. Learning and Teaching subjects is all about utilising peopleâ??s definitions both traditional and modern to get understanding. If you donâ??t need peopleâ??s definitions and you can think on your own to that extent then you need not have undergone training within any of the Worldâ??s academic institutions.

I know everything is connected; the physical and the meta-physical. I know that mathematics is a fundamental attribute to the existence of the universe and that there in; it's probably unchanged through the dimensions. I know that mathematics is either true or false, and that is why I studied maths at higher level. It is the only subject I know of that cannot be manipulated to become something else. I know â??â??energy â??â??cannot be created nor destroyed, I read that book too. I do and donâ??t believe that everything is going into a state of chaos; I see people bringing about a state of chaos in the midst of a uniquely ordered planet and/or universe. I am too familiar with laws of momentum; I think it was in the same book as energy.

Essentially those few things you mentioned are known today because Other People gave Definition to occurrences and we all use those definitions without question because its called science, or Einstein, or Tesla, or Faraday, or Pythagoras, or some dude claimed to have came up with it at a time when everyone else was asleep. IMHO The masses are just as asleep today as they were in those times.

So in conclusion, donâ??t say fuck me son, use that intelligence and keep to your word by manifesting a bit of respect for the opinion of others, while taking back the statement that you don't need other people's definitions.

[the image reaper]

just curious, any other MENSA members in here ?? .... :smokin:

[SpiritLevel]

just curious, any other MENSA members in here ?? .... :smokin:

"...Most Mensans have a good sense of humor, and they like to talk. And, usually, they have a lot to say...."http://www.mensa.org/index0.php?page=10

â??A sarcastic person has a superiority complex that can be cured only by the honesty of humility.â?�
Lawrence G. Lovasik

I see what you are trying to say though.

[wonderbear]

I'm sorry for this long post.

Having a degree doesn't make one intelligent. I know many people with one, two, or more degrees and not all, or many of them are greatly intelligent.

Having a degree, in my personalised view, only represents one's affinity to follow a curriculum mapped out by a government. Is that intelligence? Getting a good grade doesn't mean you got the correct/truthful answer, it means your answer matches that of the person who is marking your exam paper. Essentially you have learned only what the government want you to learn and 'little' much else.

No good holding up your degree like its some great accoloade or 'what not'. It is merely a token that you have accepted a 'degree' more system programming than the average person that hasn't been certified in that way.

Intelligent, according to my dictionary, means (1) adj; clever, (2) n intellect; information, esp. military.

There ain't a fat lot clever about following in the path of academia and not questioning the legitimacy of the information brought to you, while taking for granted that the governance of the current curriculum in force hasn't fallen into disrepair like all other aspects of politics.

To be intelligent, then, is to utilise one's intellect. Intellect is the Power of Thinking and Reasoning. If one realises their intelligence only after acquiring a degree then their new found Intelligence is based on their subjugation to academic institutions.

In my view this isn't their own pure mode of thinking but an attained mode which arrives with good grades and a borrowed way of thinking gained by years of listening to teachers and lecturers who mostly have the same level of intelligence because they went through the same conditioning process.

The only good thing is that you still smoke pot and someday you might have an awakening to the façade, smoke-screen and mirrors.


i strongly agree. just not with the bold font.

[SpiritLevel]

i strongly agree. just not with the bold font.

I wanted to make it easy to read because I was stoned and pie-eyed when I composed it.

Do you have any particular reason/s that encourage you to agree?

[rhino44]

I agree also. Some people tend to think just because they went to a University and got a formal education they are somehow better than you or smarter. They are just better at conforming to the educational system and therefore thrive in that setting. I for one learn better by focusing on one or two subjects and really throwing myself into them and not having to deal with a bunch of other things simultaneously.

For instance in Highschool I took geometry in 9th grade and failed, then I failed it again in 10th grade. I thought I was just a retard at math(it's not my strongest subject) but then when I went to summer school I studied math six hours a day for 6 weeks and I got an A easily. I realized that the way the school system was set up(having 5-7 classes all crammed into one 7 hour day) just wasn't a very efficient way for me to learn. What can you do?

Also it depends on what you want to do with your life. If you enjoy school and have your mind set on a career that requires a degree then good for you. It doesn't necesarilly make you any brighter. If you have the means and the drive to succeed on your own terms then more power to you.

[psychocat]

Intelligent people have the sense not to be arrogant.
Intellegent people know that what they know is nothing compared to what they have to learn.
Intelligent people don't presume to be more intelligent than others.
Intelligent people strive to better themselves not so they can say "I'm really smart me" but so they can think "I am stretching my own capabilities and gaining a better understanding of the world".

IMO stupid is more about how you are than what you know, the "smartest" intellectual can be just as stupid as the so called idiot.

I have a friend who is "educated" and has more diplomas than you can shake a stick at but he does some really stupid things and then I have another friend who is "dumb" (bad schooling) and if I ever need my own McGyver this man rules, he can make anything out of nothing.

So in conclusion would someone please like to give me a suitable definition of "Intelligent" because you can be book smart but you also need a bit of street smarts if you want to make it in this life.

[SpiritLevel]

the definition i used was;

Intelligent is to be clever.

Being clever, I'd say, is the ability to do that McGyver stuff with the tools before you. Not just tools literally before you, but also tools that can be made with the tools you see. Cleverness is sometimes seeing what other people do not see, or hearing what other people do not hear.

"Place a monkey in a cage and it is like a pig. Not because it isn't clever and quick, but because it has no place to freely excercise its capabilities".

In academia, the group moves at the rate of its slowest learner. Some monkeys may be pig like because they have no place to freely excersice their capabilities.

[psychocat]

Knowledge is vague at best.
Which is more important?
The ability to repair a motorcycle or the ability to work out the finances of running a business, very different skills are needed but if you have a broken bike a banker is no good and visa versa.
Everyone has a skill or ability it just differs in direction.

[anycraic]

indeed!

[psychocat]

A little light relief??

http://www.mockery.org/notmensa/test.htm

Mensa is an even bigger joke , as Groucho once said "I would never be a member of a club that would have me for a member"

[SpiritLevel]

...So in conclusion would someone please like to give me a suitable definition of "Intelligent" because you can be book smart but you also need a bit of street smarts if you want to make it in this life.
Errr. So far so good.

the definition i used was;

Intelligent is to be clever.

Being clever, I'd say, is the ability to do that McGyver stuff with the tools before you. Not just tools literally before you, but also tools that can be made with the tools you see. Cleverness is sometimes seeing what other people do not see, or hearing what other people do not hear...
Right.

Knowledge is vague at best.
Which is more important?
The ability to repair a motorcycle or the ability to work out the finances of running a business, very different skills are needed but if you have a broken bike a banker is no good and visa versa.
Everyone has a skill or ability it just differs in direction.
Errr. How is knowledge vague? I suppose being 'in-the-know' or having knowledge of something is vague until it is required to bring that knowledge to the fore. I gotta wonder about the statement 'knowledge is vague'. If I considered my knowledge to be vague I think it would come about because I rarely use what I know. Assessing someones knowledge is vague if you just stand and look at them. Provoking reactions gives better scope of someone's knowledge, then what they know becomes less vague.

Having the ability to repair a motorcycle demands some practical knowledge of mechanics and electrics since those are the main subjects topics involved. Having the ability to work out finances demands a knowledge of elements of mathemetics. Either task, be it motorcycle repair or financing, requires knowledge. Knowledge on its own is useless. The applied use of knowledge dectates the usefulness of what one knows. More over the statement of knowledge being vague, is the satement that that statement is vague in itself. And yes, we all do have our own skills and abilities that we are good and shit at.

[psychocat]

Knowledge is vague , a simple statement easily explained.

Knowledge is based upon current pressumptions and opinions, since we only ever know what we know right now we can't be sure that it won't at some point in the future prove to be false or not as rigid as we at first thought.
Even "FACTS" of 100 years ago are ridiculed today as the posturing of the uneducated ,100 years from now we will probably be viewed in the same way.
Truth, fact, definate ,, I don't really buy it.
Question everything and take nothing for granted, impossible is simply a state of mind.

Then of course you have the question of perception, of course every person experiences things in their own unique way and since we can only ever be ourselves and imagining is not really real how can we truly understand something we can't experience, like how it feels to be a lab rat, we are told fish don't feel pain, how do we know that?
We barely have an understanding of our own bodies and brains.

As for the answer????? to my question as to which is most valid, I think you fail to understand the point I was trying to make.
The point is that academics are needed for different reasons than mechanics (PS my mate has no formal education he just knows bikes, he even struggles to read) and even without going to college or even finishing high school you can have a skill.

[MistaPoleeseMan]

Please. I wont even mention how many people I deal with that own most of the place i live and businesses and got huge families and police officers who smoke weed. Weed makes people too paranoid and to concerned with what other people are thinking of them. I couldnt do shit if I didnt smoke with my adhd. Its not possible to focus.

[SpiritLevel]

Knowledge is vague , a simple statement easily explained.

Knowledge is based upon current pressumptions and opinions, since we only ever know what we know right now we can't be sure that it won't at some point in the future prove to be false or not as rigid as we at first thought.
Even "FACTS" of 100 years ago are ridiculed today as the posturing of the uneducated ,100 years from now we will probably be viewed in the same way.
Truth, fact, definate ,, I don't really buy it.
Question everything and take nothing for granted, impossible is simply a state of mind.

Then of course you have the question of perception, of course every person experiences things in their own unique way and since we can only ever be ourselves and imagining is not really real how can we truly understand something we can't experience, like how it feels to be a lab rat, we are told fish don't feel pain, how do we know that?
We barely have an understanding of our own bodies and brains.

As for the answer????? to my question as to which is most valid, I think you fail to understand the point I was trying to make.
The point is that academics are needed for different reasons than mechanics (PS my mate has no formal education he just knows bikes, he even struggles to read) and even without going to college or even finishing high school you can have a skill.


If you had said knowledge was 'relative' I would have grasped your sentiment judging from your explanation. To me, presenting a statement bearing 'knowledge is vague' is vague in itself. It still is vague to me even though you have re presented it. Err, 100 years ago a ni66er couldn't eat in the same restaurant h0nkey. I wouldn't bring past and future into the equation right away because they are far too many additives to put on the table that require analysis. Actually, hands down, right now, I don't have a clue what you're on about. You have made a general statement that encompasses issues that can both support and shread the actual statement in an obscure manner. I think someone paid you to derail this thread from Intelligent People Being Chronics to spiritlevel is a dumbass.. I'm going to retreat, else I'll spent a lifetime disecting paragraphs with no more gold at the end of the rainbow than I'm already assured.

[psychocat]

If you had said knowledge was 'relative' I would have grasped your sentiment judging from your explanation. To me, presenting a statement bearing 'knowledge is vague' is vague in itself. It still is vague to me even though you have re presented it. Err, 100 years ago a ni66er couldn't eat in the same restaurant h0nkey. I wouldn't bring past and future into the equation right away because they are far too many additives to put on the table that require analysis. Actually, hands down, right now, I don't have a clue what you're on about. You have made a general statement that encompasses issues that can both support and shread the actual statement in an obscure manner. I think someone paid you to derail this thread from Intelligent People Being Chronics to spiritlevel is a dumbass.. I'm going to retreat, else I'll spent a lifetime disecting paragraphs with no more gold at the end of the rainbow than I'm already assured.

I have no intention of making anyone look like a "dumbass" I am simply putting forward my opinion on the over important people who believe themselves to be superior because they consider themselves intellectualy better or in some way "educated" that puts them above others.
The surgeon who saves your life is no better a person than the man responsible for taking away your garbage even though he is probably (not always) better educated.
The main crux is my point of "all knowledge being relative to our capability to understand it and it's validity in view of how often "facts" of old are proven to be false", therefore knowledge is in a constant state of flux.

I fail to see what your remark about African Americans has to do with knowledge?
The problem wasn't one of knowledge or lack of it , it was a question of prejudice (which still exists today). Educated men did nothing too.

[SpiritLevel]

Sigh! Iâ??m going back in time. (you = psychocat)

Paulinator made the first reference to knowledge in his initial post by saying

â??â?¦I can make calculations on fan requirements and grow room efficiency easily; I can also design the BEST indoor setup with my knowledge. Anyone looking for some tips just drop me a lineâ?¦.â??

I then said in the title to my first post â??why have 1 degree of knowledge when you can have spheres?

Later on you suddenly make the remark â??Knowledge is vague at best.â?? This was at a time when very little banter had taken place over the subject 'directly'. But fair enoughâ?¦we go on

I would like to know why you said it and how it ties in to the context of the thread. I suppose I have to decipher the encrypted messages myself. My perception looks at that statement almost as a random piece of a jigsaw that has bits missing to link it to the rest of the picture.

Prior to making the statement then, you asked for someone to define â??intelligentâ??. I replied and didnâ??t use the word knowledge. What sparked the so called simple statement Knowledge is vague? Asking which is more important, a bike repairer of banker, to pick out an explanation for your statement gave me a difficult time as I was thinking too much, or not enough, or from the wrong angle..

I think itâ??s the way you present your thoughts, or better still the way I interpret your presentation of your thoughts. Iâ??m finding I have to read the entire thread 6 times over to put what you say into context.

Now that you have, again, re presented how you define your statement I further understand, i.e.
â??â?¦"all knowledge being relative to our capability to understand it and it's validity in view of how often "facts" of old are proven to be false", therefore knowledge is in a constant state of fluxâ?¦â??
That makes more sense than just stating Knowledge is vague. In fact if you take out the word relative and put vague back in, the statement makes no clear sense/or vaguely makes sense.

My knowledge was vague about knowledge-being-vague until I asked for an explanation. Then I found that the reason my knowledge was vague about knowledge-being-vague was because of the vagueness of the theory. It was revealed that knowledge-being-vague was more knowledge-being-relative. But didnâ??t we both say this already but in a round-the-garden-path manner?

I said â??I suppose being 'in-the-know' or having knowledge of something is vague until it is required to bring that knowledge to the fore.â?? This can be interpreted as knowledge being relative.

Also â??If I considered my knowledge to be vague I think it would come about because I rarely use what I know. This too means that knowledge is relative.

Assessing someoneâ??s knowledge is vague if you just stand and look at them. Provoking reactions gives better scope of someone's knowledge, then what they know becomes less vague. And this concurs that knowledge is relative.

When you asked which is more important, the bike repairer or banker, well each has their application and their importance is relative to the situation. Essentially Iâ??ve found that we actually agree even though our approaches are very different yet parallel. To say I failed to understand is true, but to say you failed to spot similarities that unite our opinion is also true.

Iâ??m not going to pursue the remark of Africans now that a resolution has been achieved which can dilute that statement by simple reading it and saying â??relative to the timeâ?? in an after thought.

[psychocat]

I hold with the use of the word vague

Not clear in meaning or application

A lot of the theories (knowledge) put forward as fact are often open to interpretation.

A persons viewpoint changes their perception.

I am not out to disagree with anyone and I can only say that I think you're taking this a little bit too personal.

My opinion is simply that until we fully understand everything, then we know nothing for certain.

There is of course the train of thought that would say that nothing of what we experience is real. Not something I subscribe to but they could be right.

I can't be 100% sure they aren't so therefore it's false of me to say they are wrong, just as it would be for them to claim 100% certain they are right.

Escape the bounds of your own senses and the world would be a much different place and all the laws would be changed forever.

Flesh is a prison only in the imagination are we truly free.

If we accept all we learn nothing.

Question everything.

I have many more questions than I will ever have answers.