Are you circumcised

[cannabis campbell]

Well...

[sanguinekane]

Nope, and proud of it to. :pimp:

[D res]

Well...

indeed

[OtterPop]

yup


fuck cleaning dick cheese

[OzzyOz]

un-circumsized pride

i like it
you need less lube
which is pretty cool

[NightProwler]

yea, im circumsized. and very glad. no offence

[klonopin]

this thread makes me laugh uncontrolably

[mejames]

ya man i cut

[SocksThaClown]

yeah I'm snipped...but if i wasnt i would say what the french guy on duece bigalow said "It's like a torpedo" and then.. i would wink and smile:)

[Breukelen advocaat]

There is no medical reason to do this mutilation to infants. The foreskin is packed with nerve endings that cannot be replaced once amputated. Some botched operations actually KILL the child, or leave the baby horribly injured. The procedure is done without anesthesia, and the pain leaves psychological scars that may remain for life.

The heath insurance companies in Europe stopped paying for circumcisions, so the practice has dropped drastically. The rate of circumcisions would go down in the U.S. as well, if people really knew how bad it is, and the insurance companies followed the lead of their European counterparts.

The men who were cut as infants, and say that they prefer it, can not validate this opinion because they donâ??t know any better - itâ??s as ridiculous as having any organ removed in infancy and saying that itâ??s better this way.

Nature provides foreskins for a reason, and it is extremely stupid to just hack it off. It also provides for better sex with women, a sort of "gliding" effect that they prefer to the circumcised penis.

Most Americans have a dislike of the foreskin because of the culture. Most of the world, fortunately, does not think this way.

[Bubbleman]

Nope, I like my ant eatter. :)

[Markay]

No Im not!

Thats part of my dick! Why the fuck would I cut it off!? I know how to wash my cock!

[stoneberg]

Breukelen Advocaat, I don't like havin this circumcision argument because its pretty pointless to argue who's penis is better, but a couple things...
First of all, its not MUTILATION and it isnt BAD. I don't know where you got the information of trauma being caused by it, for infant nerves are very weak and circumcision really isnt that much pain to them, or else they would use anesthetics.
Where did you get info stating women prefer uncircumsized? I just did a search, all i find are women prefering circumsized penises because they look better/cleaner/dont smell as bad/feel better(this makes sense since theres more surface area rubbing in the vaginal walls with a circumsized penis for theres no foreskin acting as a sleeve. I don't know where you got that "gliding" thing from)
And as for hygene, studies have shown that uncircumcized penises are much less hygenic and succeptible to urinary tract defection, penile cancer, unretractable foreskin etc.

Again, I'm not saying one is better than the other, I'm just clearing up some statements you made such as circumcision being bad, a form of genital mutilation, traumatizing, and something women dislike when compared to uncircumcized.

[Skink]

Don't even think about taking a knife and going anywhere near there!!!!

[JamesTurncoat]

I've heard both those arguements before. Personally I'm uncircumsized, but as for it being uncleanly, take 15 seconds in the shower to pull it back and wash it and your set, and if you don't shower daily... well, to each his own.:p

And I dunno about you guys, but me, and anyone else I've talked about it to, retracts upon erection... so this buisness about it being better? Isn't it the same thing?

Well, unless it's too tight, but you grow out of that in most cases. I've talked to chicks who both prefer one or the other, but if your using a condom, once again... same diff?

The only thing about circumcision I don't like is the actual cutting... *cringe* Other than that, I'd be happy either way, sex is sex.

[muncheemama]

There is no medical reason to do this mutilation to infants. The foreskin is packed with nerve endings that cannot be replaced once amputated. Some botched operations actually KILL the child, or leave the baby horribly injured. The procedure is done without anesthesia, and the pain leaves psychological scars that may remain for life.

Most Americans have a dislike of the foreskin because of the culture. Most of the world, fortunately, does not think this way.
I have three little boys, all are circumsized....I would never cause intentional harm, or mutilate my babies...i just know what all the girls say about the uncircumsized guys.... calling them rumpleforeskin, dick cheese, etc...sorry to all the guys rocking the turtle neck

youre right, it is a culture thing, why would I want to subject my boys to being teased because they dont look like all the other little boys....penises for boys can be as much a source of pain, as weight is for girls. one of the most important things you can do for your child is to give them a sense of acceptance and normalcy...as for trauma....well, I would say the pain of being born would be more traumatic then the circumcision...that is, if you actually believe it causes trauma...

[Breukelen advocaat]

The good news is that the rate of circumcisions in the U.S. has gone down dramatically in the past two decades.

Basically, a boy (or girl) should be allowed to have his body as nature intended, until they reach the legal age of consent and are able to decide for them selves. NOBODY has the right to mutilate them before that time.

This started as a sacrifice to god, and has also been used, among other things, to stop masturbation, prevent insanity, and other false claims.

These websites should answer all of the questions as to why it should be banned:
http://www.nocirc.org/
http://www.icgi.org/

Nearly Half of American Boys Escape the Knife
published on Fri, 11 Mar 2005 08:51:32 -0500
Today's Parents Say "No" to Circumcision -- The U.S. circumcision rate declined 11.4% over two years, according to figures just released by the National Center for Health Statistics, from 63.1% in 2001 to 55.9% in 2003, following a steady, twenty-five year decline. At this rate, in just 12 years, the US will join other English-speaking countries in abandoning circumcision. Medicalized, mass circumcision of infants is a uniquely English-speaking phenomenon. Canada, Australia, New Zealand, and the United Kingdom formerly circumcised the majority of infant boys, but have either abandoned the practice, or reduced the rate to about 1 in 10. The United States medical community stands alone is profiting from a non-therapeutic, unnecessary procedure performed on non-consenting minors. The largest decline was in western states where the rate dropped 23%; and seven out of ten boys remained genitally intact. In 2003, 45% of American newborn males left the hospital intact, up from 37% in 2001. Since 1996, it has been illegal to circumcise girls in the US, but thousands are still at risk every year. The law itself is legally questionable because it lacks equal protection, which the Constitution makes mandatory.

Declaration of the First International
Symposium on Circumcision

Adopted March 3, 1989
Anaheim, California


We recognize the inherent right of all human beings to an intact body. Without religious or racial prejudice, we affirm this basic human right.
We recognize that the foreskin, clitoris and labia are normal, functional body parts.

Parents and/or guardians do not have the right to consent to the surgical removal or modification of their children's normal genitalia.
Physicians and other health*care providers have a responsibility to refuse to remove or mutilate normal body parts.
The only persons who may consent to medically unnecessary procedures upon themselves are the individuals who have reached the age of consent (adulthood), and then only after being fully informed about the risks and benefits of the procedure.

We categorically state that circumcision has unrecognized victims.
In view of the serious physical and psychological consequences that we have witnessed in victims of circumcision, we hereby oppose the performance of a single additional unnecessary foreskin, clitoral, or labial amputation procedure.
We oppose any further studies which involve the performance of the circumcision procedure upon unconsenting minors. We support any further studies which involve identification of the effects of circumcision.

Physicians and other health*care providers do have a responsibility to teach hygiene and the care of normal body parts and explain their normal anatomical and physiological development and function throughout life.

We place the medical community on notice that it is being held accountable for misconstruing the scientific database available on human circumcision in the world today.

Physicians who practice routine circumcisions are violating the first maxim of medical practice, "Primum Non Nocere," "First, Do No Harm," and anyone practicing genital mutilation is violating Article V of the United Nations Universal Declaration of Human Rights: "No one shall be subjected to torture or to cruel, inhuman or degrading treatment..."

[Breukelen advocaat]

I have three little boys, all are circumsized....I would never cause intentional harm, or mutilate my babies...i just know what all the girls say about the uncircumsized guys.... calling them rumpleforeskin, dick cheese, etc...sorry to all the guys rocking the turtle neck

youre right, it is a culture thing, why would I want to subject my boys to being teased because they dont look like all the other little boys....penises for boys can be as much a source of pain, as weight is for girls. one of the most important things you can do for your child is to give them a sense of acceptance and normalcy...as for trauma....well, I would say the pain of being born would be more traumatic then the circumcision...that is, if you actually believe it causes trauma...

Do you belong to a nudist club? If not, I cannot picture little boys pulling their penis' out in front of little girls. Unless, of course, you are talking about "adult" women - many of whom have no idea of what they are talking about.

With almost half of American boys now escaping the knife, I'd certainly think that the uncircomsized ones will feel more than "normal" to be intact. Then, these women and girls that hate foreskins will have little choice when it comes to their preference for men that have had their penis' chopped up.

[Jim Morrison]

im uncut and i wouldnt change it ever

[muncheemama]

Then, these women and girls that hate foreskins will have little choice when it comes to their preference for men that have had their penis' chopped up.
Damn you! who are you to advocate stopping a practice that gives women good penises!!

seriously, you have shit to talk about everything on here...and as the old saying goes....opinions are like assholes, everyones got one, and they all stink....except for mine of course

all i know is that my children are happy, well adjusted and they have not asked where their foreskin went.... as a matter of fact....my husband wanted it to be done for our boys... and as a man, i guess he would know better than you...

[Breukelen advocaat]

Damn you! who are you to advocate stopping a practice that gives women good penises!!

seriously, you have shit to talk about everything on here...and as the old saying goes....opinions are like assholes, everyones got one, and they all stink....except for mine of course

all i know is that my children are happy, well adjusted and they have not asked where their foreskin went.... as a matter of fact....my husband wanted it to be done for our boys... and as a man, i guess he would know better than you...

You are entitled to your opinion, as I am to mine. Your hatred of foreskins is going the way of the horse and buggy. It's OLD - and your grandchildren, if you have any, will likely not be cut.

I don't care what you did, it's important that this barbaric practice be stopped. Your opinion is in the very small minority, and becoming less and less prevalent every day.

BTW, "Damn you!" is not a very nice way to start a conversation, Fatso. :dance:

[Djurdjevic]

I'm all here...

[Tomorrow Never Knows]

all i know is that my children are happy, well adjusted and they have not asked where their foreskin went.... as a matter of fact....my husband wanted it to be done for our boys... and as a man, i guess he would know better than you...

Would you circumcise your daughters too? There is no difference, just a societal double standard.

[stoneberg]

Breukelen Advocaat, maybe you're putting female circumcision with male circumcision, I would agree that female circumcision is mutilation. Like in your second article which put male and female circumcision together, that is totally invalid for female circumcision is done in some tribal cultures as a way to control women from having sex with other men. What they do is cut the labia and clitoris out and sew the hole shut, only to open it for sex with their husband, and sew it shut again after they are done. This female circumcision is usually done when the girl is a young child, not an infant, without anesthetics, therefore making it extremely painful.

Its safe to say that female circumcision is mutilation for it makes their genitals disfunctional, but in the case of male circumcision the functionality isn't altered, therefore its not MUTILATION. So will you stop using that word, get more reliable sources, and just relax about this issue? This post is about who is circumsized and who is not, not an argument about which is better than the other.

[Breukelen advocaat]

mu·ti·late (myūt'l-āt')
tr.v., -lat·ed, -lat·ing, -lates.
To deprive of a limb or an essential part; cripple.
To disfigure by damaging irreparably: mutilate a statue. See synonyms at batter1.
To make imperfect by excising or altering parts.
[Latin mutilāre, mutilāt-, from mutilus, maimed.]

mutilation mu'ti·la'tion n.
mutilative mu'ti·la'tive adj.
mutilator mu'ti·la'tor n.

You can dress up the term with an acceptable word, such as circumcise, but to cut off, make imperfect, or damage any body part is mutilation.

There are various types of female circumcision. Not all are as extreme as the ones that you describe.

You are supporting something that is going to become obsolete very soon, for good reason.

Children have to brush their teeth - should we pull them all out? You see how stupid this is?

This practice destroys the most sensitive part of the male body - and DOES have severe repercussions in many cases.

[Az.]

this thread made me laugh loads...

Both sides of the argument are valid...in their own ways

Im un-cut, and im glad I wasn't given the snip at birth...I guess if I wanted to I could get it cut off later in life....or if my g/f wanted me to....which I don't think she would....she seems to like it lol

I guess I just like having the choice....

But I dont agree with circumcision...it isn't natural imo

[muncheemama]

Fatso. :dance:
where did you get this idea?^^ its false by the way..... you keep talking about this like its an accesory.... my kids bodies aren't purses or shoes, I didn't do it because it was trendy and I wont feel bad if it goes out of "style"....I did it becasue my husband and I were brought up to believe it is better for my kids...the doctors told us it was better for them... I have never encountered an uncut weiner, so I suppose my view comes form one of ignorance....as i'm sure your view does as well...keep on trying to save all the foreskin of the world one weed website at a time....good luck, but if I have another boy I will do it again, no question

are there any guys on here who were cut and now regret it...? People have body parts removed all the time, there are alot of pieces that are uneccesary, the apendix, tonsils, wisdom teeth, hair, why dont you work on those parts too? Sounds like you have a strange obsession with penises... why dont you stick one in your mouth and quit bitchin

And if I had a daughter, no I wouldnt circumsize her, why? because its not part of my culture....call it a double standard if you like, just make sure you add it to society's long list of double standards....the facts are that the world is imperfect, and people have the ability to make decisions, and just because some people dont agree, it doesn't make me wrong...

[Az.]

AHHAHAAAHAHAHAAAA
:D:D:D

oh that made me laugh so hard :D:D

[RainyDayWoman]

what really counts is where ya stick it

ever hear about the boy that was born without any eyelids...? so when he was circumcised, the doctors took the foreskin and made him some eyelids... now they say he's cock-eyed

[zephyrinne]

I'm a chick, so I don't really have a say in the poll.. but I don't see the point of getting boys circumsized except for the cultural thing.. and well, the cleanliness of it. But an uncut penis can stay just as clean as a cut one if you take the 20 seconds in the shower. All of the guys I have been with have been circumsized, except for one, which was an ex-boyfriend.

And coming from a girl's point of view, I preferred the uncut penis to the cut ones.

[Nochowderforyou]

Nope, not cut. I have the hood and all. :p

[muncheemama]

DETROIT (CNN) -- Just a few months ago, 10-year-old Louis was in critical condition with burns on more than 40 percent of his body. Once nearly immobile, a new technology has allowed Louis to once again be able to play and run.

Louis was playing with lighter fluid near a barbecue when he caught on fire. Doctors were able to cover Louis' burned skin with a new artificial skin called Dermagraph-TC.

Before Dermagraph-TC, the typical cover for burn wounds was cadaver skin, known as allografts. The skin grafts, however, didn't always have the desired effects. They sometimes introduced disease to the burn victim or are rejected by the body, prompting further painful surgery.


"(We needed a way to bridge the gap for patients) with massive burn injuries in which we have insufficient amounts of their own skin to provide skin graphs," explains Dr. Marc Cullen of the Children's Hospital of Michigan. "We need something that will serve as an active skin while we are waiting for their own skin to become available."

Dermagraph is the only artificial skin product on the market made from human tissue. Made from human foreskin, Dermagraph-TC can make enough skin to cover six to eight football fields from one male sample.

The artificial skin acts like real skin, but with no side effects. The negative characteristics of cadaver skin do not come into play.


"It allows them emotional relief from having to have repeat surgery and some pain relief," Cullen explains. "(It also allows) an improvement in their condition and it's very visible in the patient as their heart rate returns to normal and their desire to participate in rehabilitation is enhanced.

The drawback to Dermagraph-TC is its cost. The skin grafts costs about $3,600 a square foot compared to $600 to $800 for cadaver skin. But the extra expense of the Dermagraph can sometimes, as with Louis, be compensated for by the lower expense of shorter hospital stays, made possible by the artificial skin's better performance.


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[Breukelen advocaat]

where did you get this idea?^^ its false by the way..... you keep talking about this like its an accesory.... my kids bodies aren't purses or shoes, I didn't do it because it was trendy and I wont feel bad if it goes out of "style"....I did it becasue my husband and I were brought up to believe it is better for my kids...the doctors told us it was better for them... I have never encountered an uncut weiner, so I suppose my view comes form one of ignorance....as i'm sure your view does as well...keep on trying to save all the foreskin of the world one weed website at a time....good luck, but if I have another boy I will do it again, no question
are there any guys on here who were cut and now regret it...? People have body parts removed all the time, there are alot of pieces that are uneccesary, the apendix, tonsils, wisdom teeth, hair, why dont you work on those parts too? Sounds like you have a strange obsession with penises... why dont you stick one in your mouth and quit bitchin
And if I had a daughter, no I wouldnt circumsize her, why? because its not part of my culture....call it a double standard if you like, just make sure you add it to society's long list of double standards....the facts are that the world is imperfect, and people have the ability to make decisions, and just because some people dont agree, it doesn't make me wrong...

Your "culture" is going to do away with circumcision, with or without my help. It's happening right now, but you're just finding out now.

You can not make a good argument for this butchery, so you insult the people that are against it. YOU, and other people that favor the mutilation of baby boys, have a "strange obsession with penises" - you destroy the most sensitive part of them, and swear that it's a good thing without one valid reason why other than "culture". Well, your culture is rotten. Those foreskins are rarely used for skin grafting - they are often sold to the beauty companies to test makeup and other shit that bimbos use to paint themselves with. It's a rotten, corrupt, business and as soon as the medical companies stop paying for it, the cutting will stop, like it did in Europe.

The only people that KNOW that it is worse than being naturally endowed are ADULT males that did it - usually because of bad medical advice. I've heard guys say that their sensitivity went from a "10" down to about a "3" after the procedure. Of course, in the very rare instances of cancer of the foreskin, surgical circumcision is necessary, and the men are not concerned with their loss of foreskin. And for people that convert to Islam, or Judaism, they just grin and bear it. Otherwise, the verdict is usually that it is much worse. Men that were mutilated as babies don't know any different, including your family members.

As I said before, your future grandchildren will probably escape the knife, because it's becoming less and less popular. All we have to do is convince the insurance companies not to pay for it anymore, and it's pretty much over.


P.S. I didnt' start the topic, and you, as a woman, have less knowledge than any man does about the male anatomy. You probably have deep seated resentments against men, as well, judging from your hostility.

[muncheemama]

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P.S. I didnt' start the topic, and you, as a woman, have less knowledge than any man does about the male anatomy. You probably have deep seated resentments against men, as well, judging from your hostility.
like youre one to talk....you dont have a penis either

[Breukelen advocaat]

[QUOTE=Breukelen advocaat]
like youre one to talk....you dont have a penis either

If you are trying to goad me into insulting you, forget it - it's too easy, and I'd rather trade barbs with people that have some class. I'd rather not waste my time with ignorant, hostile people.


You're going to be out of here soon. I can tell.

[Breukelen advocaat]

MothersAgainstCircumcision (http://www.mothersagainstcirc.org)

"I believe the time has come to acknowledge that the practice of routine circumcision rests on the absurd premise that the only mammal in creation born in the condition that requires immediate surgical correction is the human male." Thomas Szasz, M.D.

The Circumcision Decision: An Overview
by Mary G. Ray,©1998

Quite a number of famous child care experts and doctors recommend against circumcision in their books. Dr. Dean Edell has expressed oposition against infant cirumcision for at least 15 years now. Sheila Kitzinger very emphatically recommends that parents leave their sons intact. Dr. Lendon Smith goes into detail explaining the foreskinâ??s purposes and giving all the reasons why circumcision should not be performed. Dr. Spock, in his most recent book, stated â??I feel that thereâ??s no solid medical evidence at this time to support routine circumcision.â?� He recommends â??leaving the foreskin the way Nature meant it to be.â?� Penelope Leach also recommends against routine circumcision


What exactly is circumcision and what is it not?
by Francisco Garcia

Infant circumcision is made more acceptable by believing the notion that there is a flap of skin at the end of the penis called the foreskin which hangs over the glans and circumcision simply removes that flap. This is factually incorrect. By thinking that the foreskin is separate or "extra" tissue it is easier to believe that its removal does little to impact or change the rest of the skin of the penis.

There is really no separate anatomical structure called the foreskin. Rather there is one single continuous skin sheath of the penis which is called the skin system. This single, uninterrupted skin sheath may, at any given time, fold to varying degrees over the glans or retract to reveal it. The amount of the skin system that is folded over can be referred to as the forefold of the skin system. Its extent changes often to accommodate degrees of erection, and it is never a separate structure from the skin of the shaft.

What the operation called circumcision actually does then is to interrupt and significantly reduce the skin system of the penis to a fraction of its normal anatomical and functional extent.

The skin system of the penis

The intact penis is covered by one single continuous skin sheath or skin system. The skin sheath is partly folded at different times. This folded part of the skin system is called the foreskin or prepuce.
The fold of skin is often mistaken as a single layer, or a flap of skin. This is wrong. Instead, it is a free, two-layer fold that forms when the skin coming down the penis from the shaft folds underneath itself somewhere near the tip of the penis then travels back to an attachment point behind the glans (see figures 6 and 4). The two sides of the fold do not adhere to each other even though they lie flat against each other appearing to form a single flap of skin.
Also, in the adult the skin system does not adhere to the glans so it can unfold back off of the glans, leaving it fully exposed. When we speak of this skin sheath we are not talking about the surface of the glans itself in the same way that we talk about the surface of the shaft, because the glans has no real skin. When we talk about the skin covering of the glans, this can only mean the foreskin. The foreskin is its skin covering.

The fictitious foreskin

A significant anatomical error has been made historically and continues today in describing the penis by delineating the "foreskin" as a separate anatomical structure from the shaft skin. People talk about the "foreskin" separately from the shaft skin. This is a mistake. It is not correct.

The foreskin is not a separate anatomical structure from the rest of the skin of the penis. This is actually an artificial separation. When the word foreskin is used, rather than referring to a separate part of the penis, it means the part of the continuous skin system which happens to be folded over the glans at any given time. So there is no real anatomical border to the "foreskin." Since the proportion of the skin system that is folded over the glans
increases and decreases by folding and unfolding to various degrees all the time, we realize that "foreskin" is a poor way of describing the anatomy of the penis. Instead, more accurate terminology might be to describe that part of the skin system which covers the glans as the "forefold of the skin system."

Unlike the false border between "foreskin" and shaft skin, there is a real anatomical border which exists in the skin system. It is between the mucosal, or non-keratinized, part of the skin system (which consists of the inner lining of the foreskin along with the surface of the glans) and the keratinized part (which is the outer penile skin, including the outer foreskin). That border is at the most distal part, or tip, of the skin system - it is the tip of the forefold (see figures 6 and 7).

The mobility of the skin system

The entire skin system moves freely. In the intact (uncircumcised) male, the penis has a low friction gliding plane immediately beneath the surface of the skin which is like no other body structure. This means that the skin of the penis does not adhere to the underlying tissue the way that skin adheres to other parts of the body. This unique quality allows the entire skin of the penis to move as a unit back and forth longitudinally or around the shaft circumferentially making it the most mobile skin in the intact male.

The skin system covers the head of the penis to varying degrees depending on moment-to-moment factors such as the state of erection and temperature. The free fold of the skin system which we call "foreskin" unfolds and re-folds constantly to varying degrees, adjusting to the current state of the penis. It is a very dynamic system. The foreskin, among other functions, provides the penis with a reservoir of skin which is needed during erection. The skin of the erect, intact penis is still mobile and loose, allowing the mucosal inner foreskin to roll back and forth over the glans (see figure 7).

Thus, the dividing line between what we call the skin of the shaft and foreskin is regularly crossed by the "shaft skin" or "foreskin." The delineated "foreskin" may become entirely "shaft skin" when the penis becomes more erect because it is now around the shaft. And if the penis shrinks momentarily beyond its usual flaccid state, perhaps due to a cold swim at the beach, some of the "shaft skin" is now "foreskin" because it covers the glans. The skin system is a dynamic, mobile and flexible skin sheath that moves and adjusts to the momentary needs of the penis (see figure 7). Such a system is not normally observed in the circumcised male.

Another anatomical error is committed in describing the foreskin as a flap of skin protruding from the shaft skin (figure 6a). This notion presumes that the foreskin is a single layer of skin, like the skin of the shaft, which grows from the shaft to cover the glans. In describing the foreskin this way it is easier to see it as redundant or "extra skin" and it is more difficult to see how removing it might impact the rest of the penis. This description of the foreskin is inaccurate. The foreskin is not "extra" skin which protrudes from the shaft.

There is no extra skin on the body - this is a silly notion. Instead, it is a free, double-layered fold - an integral part of the skin system. The foreskin extends from a point on the shaft behind the glans to cover the glans then folds back underneath itself to the same attachment point on the shaft, usually near the glans (see figure 6). The eyelid works much the same way. The eye lid is not a single flap of skin, but rather two freely moving layers of a fold of skin, so that both the foreskin and the eyelid have two layers.

That's why it is more appropriate to refer to the "foreskin" as the forefold of the skin system.

In reality then, infant circumcision does not remove the "tip of the penis" or "redundant skin" nor does it remove a separate structure called "the foreskin." Rather, infant circumcision deletes a significant percentage of the skin system of the penis, rendering the skin system relatively dysfunctional and rendering the penis less dynamic.

The "triple whammy"

The circumcised penis loses sensitivity in three ways:

1. Loss of the foreskin nerves themselves. As has been demonstrated by studies such as the one by Dr. Taylor and by the testimonials of the majority of intact men, the inner foreskin possesses a greater density of nerve endings. It is thought to be more erogenous than even the glans. The is no question that the foreskin is a highly erogenous tissue. This tremendous amount of sensitivity is lost completely when the forefold of the skin system is amputated. In addition to this, the most sensitive part of the penis, the frenulum of the foreskin, is either partially or totally removed in most infant circumcisions. The frenulum is the continuation of the inner foreskin which attaches to the underside (ventral part) of the glans. Thus, a significant percentage, if not the majority, of erogenous nerve supply to the penis is removed in circumcision at birth.

2. Damage to the glans. The erogenous sensitivity that remains after circumcision is primarily in the glans. This is further reduced by removal of the protective foreskin which leaves the glans permanently exposed. Unlike the shaft of the penis, and most of the rest of the body, the head of the penis, does not posses its own attached skin. This structure, like the eye ball and the gums of the mouth, is a somewhat naked structure. Its surface is non-keratinized, like that of the gums, the eye ball, and the clitoris in women. That means that it does not posses a protective thick layer like the keratinized skin of the outer penile skin system. Like the gums and the eye ball, the glans of the intact penis has a retractible skin covering. The skin covering of the glans is the foreskin. The eyelid is very similar in architecture to the foreskin. If the eyelid were removed and the eyeball were to become keratinized, you'd have a much harder time seeing. The same is true of the glans. It becomes artificially keratinized (dry, ha rdened, discolored, and wrinkled) as a result of permanent exposure, and thus less sensitive. Because most American men are circumcised and have a glans of this nature, it is harder to notice the abnormality. But just compare the glans of an intact man with that of a circumcised man next to each other and you'll notice a big difference. Thus, in addition to removing lots of erogenous nerve endings in the inner foreskin and frenulum, circumcision further desensitizes the remaining sensitivity of the glans by leaving it exposed.

3. Loss of skin mobility. The nerve endings in the glans are predominantly complex touch receptors also known as mechanoreceptors. This is different from the light touch receptors of the skin which detect surface friction. The mechanorecptors are best stimulated by massage action rather than surface friction. Thus, the glans is best stimulated to feel pleasure by a rolling massage action. With an ample and highly mobile skin system that rolls over the glans with pressure from the opposing surface, this optimal stimulation of the glans is achieved while avoiding direct friction of the delicate glans surface. Direct friction tends to fire off pain receptors causing irritation and also causes further keratinization of the glans. With the skin system of the penis significantly reduced by circumcision, the mobility is essentially gone and now the penis is a static mass with no dynamic self stimulation mechanism. Now, it must be rubbed. Direct friction is now the primary form of stimulation. So then circumcision further reduces erogenous sensitivity in the penis by reducing skin mobility and thus the ability to use the foreskin to massage the glans. The combination of foreskin and glans in concert results in an even higher level of stimulation which is unknown to the circumcised male.

Conclusion

Circumcision of an infant male significantly reduces erogenous pleasure potential in his penis when he becomes sexually active and continues to be reduced as he ages until, in many cases, he is left with relatively little sensation.

Adult Circumcision vs. Infant Circumcision

A common misperception is that infant circumcision is preferable to adult circumcision because it spares a man pain and trauma. Many physicians however say the opposite and critics admit that most of their objections to infant circumcision cannot be applied to the adult procedure. Here's why:

1. More precise with better outcome. Circumcision of an adult can be more precise and less risky than for the infant. This is because the adult penis is fully formed. Many plastic surgeons operate on the penis in the erect state because this way it is clear to what extent the skin is stretched during erection. In the infant, this more precise method cannot be employed. Also, based on the knowledge of his own penis, the adult patient can specify how much tissue to remove, the infant cannot. In terms of how much tissue to remove, there is much more guess work involved in the infant and often too much skin is removed. In adult circumcision precise instruments are used. In the infant, usually more cumbersome and less precise instruments like the Gomco clamp are used. The results of operating on a fully formed penis, in the erect state, with precise instruments by a trained surgeon, benefit the adult and not the infant.

2. Reduced risk of injury. For the same reasons mentioned above, injury to the penis is less likely in adult circumcision than in infant circumcision. It is less likely that too much or too little tissue will be removed and the chances of lacerating the glans itself are also minimized. Scarring is also reduced in the adult.

3. Reduced loss of sensitivity. Because in the adult, the penis has had many years to develop with a foreskin covering, the glans is fully sensitive at the time of the circumcision. The glans has grown with its protective covering and the foreskin has already separated naturally from the glans. This spares the adult some of the sensitivity loss that occurs when circumcision is performed at birth. At birth, the foreskin must be torn away from the glans to which it is normally adhered. Then, the denuded glans of the infant spends much time exposed to caustic urine while in diapers. In adult circumcision this early damage to the glans is avoided.

4. Personal choice. With adult circumcision the patient is making a personal choice to have himself circumcised. He has the option of comparing the pros and cons and has had the opportunity to know what having a foreskin is like. This eliminates the "lack of choice" objection made by critics. With elected adult circumcision, critics see no violation of rights.

5. Reduced potential psychological effects. With adult circumcision potential psychological effects are reduced. This is because the patient understands the experience. He knows why it is happening and that he has chosen this. Anesthesia is used in the adult and is usually omitted or ineffective in the infant. In contrast, the infant has an experience of inexplicable pain and terror which he cannot rationalize as an adult. Some speculate that this intensely painful experience for the infant can lead to problems later on. Although on the surface it may seem that an infant is less sensitive to or unaware of the circumcision experience, he does experience it fully and because of his very formative and psychologically sensitive age, the experience is thought to be potentially more impacting than it is for the adult.

Even though the facts do not support the claim that adult circumcision is "worse" than infant circumcision, some pro-circumcision advocates contend that adult circumcision is painful, traumatic and dangerous, and that for this reason most adult men who are intact choose to remain uncircumcised. But when intact men are asked about the idea of being circumcised, most say that they have no desire to give up this part of their body - there is no reason to even consider it. Their foreskin gives them no more trouble than their eyelids, lips or testicles. Instead it affords them pleasure and comfort. Anti-circumcision advocates say that it is ridiculous to presume that the idea would even cross an uncircumcised man's mind. To them, it is the same as asking why intact women don't think about having the clitoral foreskin removed.


http://www.cirp.org/library/anatomy/garcia/

[Jim Morrison]

ive said it once and ill say it again if a girl wont date you cause your penis has some skin on it that you were born with kick her to the curb shes no good anyway a real women would love you regardless of your penis size shape or if its cut or not

[greenlemon]

Uncut, I'll rip da unfortunate soul dat tries.

[ilovebecky]

I <3 my foreskin

[420purplehaze420]

Breukelen advoacaat, do you like arguing just for the hell of it? like shut the fuck up!!, cannabis campbell asked a simple question that required a simple answer, you worry about your dick and leave everyone elses the hell alone.

You keep coming back with all these articles and shit but NO ONE CARES, you think what some random person on a cannabis website says is going to effect what they do to there childs penis at birth?

Go smoke a joint and play with your fore skin, the people of cannabis.com have had enough of your negative nelly ways.

[OniEhtRedrum781]

Nope, I like my ant eatter. :)
lmao!!


and no

[MeHeartGanja]

I have three little boys, all are circumsized....I would never cause intentional harm, or mutilate my babies...i just know what all the girls say about the uncircumsized guys.... calling them rumpleforeskin, dick cheese, etc...sorry to all the guys rocking the turtle neck

youre right, it is a culture thing, why would I want to subject my boys to being teased because they dont look like all the other little boys....penises for boys can be as much a source of pain, as weight is for girls. one of the most important things you can do for your child is to give them a sense of acceptance and normalcy...as for trauma....well, I would say the pain of being born would be more traumatic then the circumcision...that is, if you actually believe it causes trauma...

youre argument lacks all logic. what has the pain of being born got to do with circumsicion?:confused: everyone must be born, everyone has to go through with it. not everyone has to get circumcised, it should be ones own choice, not a parent who says "its normal, therefore i do it. i do whateverone does. i am another lemming." why should someone be ABNORMAL if they are not circumcised? who is the judge of who is circumcised or not? whatever they say, i betchu jesus H. wasnt circumcised. but i dont know.

id like a rebuttal from your part.

ps- i have never done debates, its just that i disagree totally.

[Synbios]

I'm not circumcised, and I'm glad. It angers me that it is legal - the laws regarding genital mutilation should apply to boys just as much as girls. No-one should ever be able to have healthy, functional body parts removed from another, unconsenting person.

[cannabis campbell]

where did you get this idea?^^ its false by the way..... you keep talking about this like its an accesory.... my kids bodies aren't purses or shoes, I didn't do it because it was trendy and I wont feel bad if it goes out of "style"....I did it becasue my husband and I were brought up to believe it is better for my kids...the doctors told us it was better for them... I have never encountered an uncut weiner, so I suppose my view comes form one of ignorance....as i'm sure your view does as well...keep on trying to save all the foreskin of the world one weed website at a time....good luck, but if I have another boy I will do it again, no question

are there any guys on here who were cut and now regret it...? People have body parts removed all the time, there are alot of pieces that are uneccesary, the apendix, tonsils, wisdom teeth, hair, why dont you work on those parts too? Sounds like you have a strange obsession with penises... why dont you stick one in your mouth and quit bitchin

And if I had a daughter, no I wouldnt circumsize her, why? because its not part of my culture....call it a double standard if you like, just make sure you add it to society's long list of double standards....the facts are that the world is imperfect, and people have the ability to make decisions, and just because some people dont agree, it doesn't make me wrong...

wooooo way to go muncheemama :D :dance: :dance: :dance: :dance:

[partyguy420]

why in the hell would my parents alow some docter to touch my dick with a knife, when i have a son, im not gonna alow the doctor to cut his forskin, and i dont care about what the bitch says. there is not gonna be any mutilation of my kids in no way shape or form, unless its a tatto, or piersings

[LIP]

lmao. I am... I was only like a few hours old... but anyways...

I think it looks better... So do the women i bin with

[Maggz]

Nope!

I'm against circumcision...it's unnecessary..and the baby has no say in it.

I think when the child grows up to be OLDER .. THEN he should be given the OPTION of having part of his manhood sliced off..rather then putting a baby through unnecessary surgery.

[Nausicaa]

I'm circumcised and I wish I wasn't. All the literature I've read suggests that it is completely unnecessary and founded in ancient, bullshit religious traditions. I've also read that, as others have pointed out, the loss of nerves takes away a tremendous amount of sensitivity. It angers me to know that I'm not feeling what I could, or should be, and there's nothing I can do about it, and I had no say in it.

Future parents, say no!

[Ganjasaurusrex]

circumsized? Yes. Strange I still remember the pain.

[LIP]

I'm circumcised and I wish I wasn't. All the literature I've read suggests that it is completely unnecessary and founded in ancient, bullshit religious traditions. I've also read that, as others have pointed out, the loss of nerves takes away a tremendous amount of sensitivity. It angers me to know that I'm not feeling what I could, or should be, and there's nothing I can do about it, and I had no say in it.

Future parents, say no!

I dont think it does, i fel everything... Nothings dulled..

[Breukelen advocaat]

I dont think it does, i fel everything... Nothings dulled..

You wouldn't know, because you were cut as an infant. If my thumbs were cut off as a baby, I'd think that it was "normal", too

[birdgirl73]

We chose not to have our son circumcized after reading all the info on the subject. He's 20, and I'd say that among his contemporaries, about half of the boys have been cut and half have not. (In my husband's day, nearly every boy baby was routinely circumcized before they left the hospital.) I truly believe that it's not a necessary procedure, and more and more people these days are choosing not to do that. In a few years when I become a practicing physician, if I become an ob/gyn or a pediatrician like I'm leaning toward, I'm sure I'll be taught the skill but I don't plan to encourage my patients to do it.

[hotlatinboy]

no i am not and my girl love to lick betwen the skin and my dick ... it is agreat pleasure

[Methyl3]

A little info and history of circumcision. Circumcision was first intiated by the Hebrews. The intial motivation is thought to have been because of masturbation. In society then it was frowned upon and looked as a possible stimulus for non-conformity to the hebrew "one god" thought. It eventually built steem later in history, through the medical profession and obviously will all of the religions that had hebrewism as roots. The thought was that if you cut of a sensitive part of the penis (comparable to female mutilation) that boys would not want to pleasure themselves.


From a medical point of view, the glans' (head of the penis) outer dermal layer becomes thicker than without circumcision and somewhat desensitized. This is because there are deeper layers of dead skin that not constitute the glans. Comparable to what happens if you walk around bare footed alot, although not as extreme. Now, I know people who are circumsized will say that they are still sensitive, but thats only because your reference point is only from the point of being circumsized.

I have a cousin who is 40+ now and married with kids. When he met his wife, she was from Alabama and I guess was weirded out by the whole uncircumsized thing. I guess he decided to get circumsized at like 30 or something. He said it was the worst thing that he had ever done. Sensitivity was no where near the same. He now had to use some form of lube to masturbate and it has not enhanced his sex life. If you are unhygenic and do not take care of yourself then maybe you should consider circumcision. uncircumsized men are more prone to penile cancer (especially if a history of yeast infections is present), smega buildup and sometimes improper fuction of the foreskin (not opening enough). If you clean yourself then you have no worries. Hope this clears up some info and BTW...most people in this world are NOT cut.

[Maggz]

Yeh like Breukelen advocaat posted, the "HEAD" of ya penis is somewhat comparable to your GUMS or your EYEBALLS ... its sensitive, and it has a protective covering which is the foreskin .. similar to how you have eyelids for ya eyes..imagine removing ya fucking eyelids lol. like he said, "If the eyelid were removed and the eyeball were to become keratinized, you'd have a much harder time seeing" This is what happens to ya glans , as a result of being out all the fucking time permanently being exposed and shit lol...it should just be left alone, it's ridiculous to modify ya body so barbarically..there have been NO proven health benefits whatsoever..and CLEANLIENESS is bullshit. Lets cut out eyelids off why dont we so we dont get eye-boogers anymore..oo such a hassle to clean that shit out. Thats what the frame of thought is on by saying circumcision is beneficial for CLEANLIENESS..pshhhh foreskin's there for a reason!

[420Mikey420]

Hellll no I'm not circumcised and I love it that way. I've tried living like the other half lives... pulled the skin back, put it back in my shorts and walked around... I was so sensitive I was dancing all over the place lol and I *like* that it's that sensitive. I don't know what it's like to be cut 24/7 so obviously I have nothing to compare it to. No idea if I'm hyper-sensitive because it's wearing the hoodie most of the time or if all cut guys are sensitive like that or what.

I've had one woman in my 30 years of trying to get back into that which spat me out 45 years ago suggest that I get cut and she was dismissed for even suggesting that I let a doctor get close to my weiner with a scalpel. It just wasn't gonna work! Every other woman that has cared to comment has liked it. I suppose they COULD have been trying to preserve my feelings but I try not to over-analyze in moments such as those.

I have a 13 year old son, and he's circumcised. As has been suggested, we were was concerned about hygeine, how he would be accepted etc. but looking back, I wish we'd said no. Kids find so many reasons to single out other kids, it just seems silly to try to eliminate all of the potential reasons. Kinda like a dog chasing it's tail. I think if you do a good job raising your boys they'll be well adjusted whether they're circumcised or not. It's the maladjusted kids that will single a boy out for something like that and you can't do anything about them because they're not your kids! My boy wears glasses and he gets singled out because of it. But no, I'm not gonna run out and get him contacts because he's not too hot on the idea of sticking stuff in his eyeballs. I don't blame him.

[Maggz]

Nah mikey you aint hyper-sensitive...all uncircumcised guyz got sensitive glans cuz we are so used to da skin over it, its comfortable like dat!

Cut people dont feel the same level of sensitivity that we do because they had their foreskin removed when they were infants, so they basically adjusted and they don't feel any difference...as a result of the glans being exposed 24/7 they get used to it.. WE on the other-hand have had our sensitive glans properly covered with the skin that has been given to us to cover it up DUE to it's extreme sensitivity..

If you was dancing around all over the place just by pulling ya skin back and experimenting..imagine how the poor baby feels..his skin isnt even pulled back..its fucking REMOVED man! and the sensitive glans are exposed...do you fucking know how disturbing it must feel to have ANY form of contact whatsoever? think about it! its like something touching your eyeball...THAT sensitive. Picture being an infant circumcised recently, wearing a fucking DIAPER with ya glans in close contact with it....ouch man, if this shit isn't cruelty then what is??? There is no need for circumcision! Let it be a fucking choice thing..


Like I said, when the child grows to be old enough, THEN he should be given the option of whether or not he'd prefer to keep the foreskin or have it circumcised and removed. It's all about consent..we'd see his choice THEN.

[birdgirl73]

Well, in all fairness, there seems to be some pretty convincing evidence of some strong benefits to circumcision, at least in sub-Saharan Africa. I read this this morning and thought of this discussion. Not sure this makes quite as convincing a case for people in countries where HIV isn't as prevalent as it is in Africa, but still, this was interesting.

http://abcnews.go.com/Health/wireStory?id=2175975

[Breukelen advocaat]

Well, in all fairness, there seems to be some pretty convincing evidence of some strong benefits to circumcision, at least in sub-Saharan Africa. I read this this morning and thought of this discussion. Not sure this makes quite as convincing a case for people in countries where HIV isn't as prevalent as it is in Africa, but still, this was interesting.
http://abcnews.go.com/Health/wireStory?id=2175975

I'm sorry, but I don't buy that report at all - the best way to avoid AIDS is to wear condoms, and they said nothing about that in the article.

They also said nothing about other forms of STD's, which provide a gateway to AIDS in Africa (or anywhere). When a male goes to a prostitute, which is extremely common in certain percentages of males in Africa (expecially those that work far from home), and catches various types of Venereal Disease, he then can easily get AIDS because vulnerablilty increases drastically.

It's very difficult for heterosexual males to get AIDS, normally. It has to get into the blood - and various types of VD provide the entry points. This is the main reason that it's so prevalent among heterosexual men in Africa. It is possible that the men that are circumcised are the ones that don't travel much and/or visit prostitutes. They (the circumcised men) are probably from a higher socio-economic group, have a higher educational level, better access to medical facilities, etc., as well.

[StOneD.aS.FuK]

totally uncut ;)

feel sorry for all you ppl who been cut
%10 off...hahha

[birdgirl73]

I'm sorry, but I don't buy that report at all - the best way to avoid AIDS is to wear condoms, and they said nothing about that in the article.
No one said you had to "buy" the report. I simply said it was interesting. The WHO supports condom use, too, by the way, but most folks who are familiar with the African AIDS situation known that encouraging condom use over there is a losing battle. This article wasn't about that subject.

[muncheemama]

Nope!

I'm against circumcision...it's unnecessary..and the baby has no say in it.

I think when the child grows up to be OLDER .. THEN he should be given the OPTION of having part of his manhood sliced off..rather then putting a baby through unnecessary surgery.
parents are expected to make tons of decisions for children...i bet your happy mommy chose to give you that polio vaccine huh? Im not speaking specificaly to maggz, because I understand the logic...the kid cant choose, thats true...but as a parent you are expected to choose how your child will live, from breast feeding to bottle feeding, religion, medications, names,
and every other goddamn thing, at least until they can talk...every parent has a right and an obligation to make those choices....I simply made the choice that I, as my kids parent, thought would be right....unfortunately all the PARENTS that made the same decision I did, wont speak up about it because hearing someone without any experience in being responsible for a child criticize their parenting practices is insulting and ridiculous...I dont blame them for feeling like they shouldnt have to defend how they raise THEIR kids...I love the comments like "i wont have them cut, i dont care what the bitch says.." well the "bitch" you refer to is the mother...and unfortunantely for the "man-bitch" the real "bitch" has alot more to say about what happens to the child then daddy...especially if you knock her up out of wedlock, so i would suggest being nicer to your bitch...
shame on all of the people who speak like prophets on a subject they dont have any real-life experience in... I'll listen to the dude that got the cut at 30....he knows what hes talking about...Ill chat with parents who made the decision to do it or not... I wont, however, listen to the people who come on here "halfcocked" (heehee) just looking for a reason to bitch and flaunt their abilities to research random shit on the net (congratulations, by the way, you can read)....maggz...once again I am not speaking directly to you, i just like the point you made and thought your quote would start my rant off nicely...thank you

when all of you are lucky enough to have babies, you can bet that I wont be on here bitching about the kind of life you have chosen to start your kids with...and anyone who thinks they have the right to talk shit obviously has no idea of what kind of imperfect, double edged, damned if you do damned if you dont, type of decisions pop up in parenting....gain that experience and talk to me again, maybe I can actually respect your opinion

[Methyl3]

parents are expected to make tons of decisions for children...i bet your happy mommy chose to give you that polio vaccine huh? Im not speaking specificaly to maggz, because I understand the logic...the kid cant choose, thats true...but as a parent you are expected to choose how your child will live, from breast feeding to bottle feeding, religion, medications, names,
and every other goddamn thing, at least until they can talk...every parent has a right and an obligation to make those choices....I simply made the choice that I, as my kids parent, thought would be right....unfortunately all the PARENTS that made the same decision I did, wont speak up about it because hearing someone without any experience in being responsible for a child criticize their parenting practices is insulting and ridiculous...I dont blame them for feeling like they shouldnt have to defend how they raise THEIR kids...I love the comments like "i wont have them cut, i dont care what the bitch says.." well the "bitch" you refer to is the mother...and unfortunantely for the "man-bitch" the real "bitch" has alot more to say about what happens to the child then daddy...especially if you knock her up out of wedlock, so i would suggest being nicer to your bitch...
shame on all of the people who speak like prophets on a subject they dont have any real-life experience in... I'll listen to the dude that got the cut at 30....he knows what hes talking about...Ill chat with parents who made the decision to do it or not... I wont, however, listen to the people who come on here "halfcocked" (heehee) just looking for a reason to bitch and flaunt their abilities to research random shit on the net (congratulations, by the way, you can read)....maggz...once again I am not speaking directly to you, i just like the point you made and thought your quote would start my rant off nicely...thank you

when all of you are lucky enough to have babies, you can bet that I wont be on here bitching about the kind of life you have chosen to start your kids with...and anyone who thinks they have the right to talk shit obviously has no idea of what kind of imperfect, double edged, damned if you do damned if you dont, type of decisions pop up in parenting....gain that experience and talk to me again, maybe I can actually respect your opinion


You are correct that it is a parents obligation/duty to make decisions for their children throughout life. I think the main variable here is that the decision should be on matters that could be life threatening or have no known negative consequence. Polio vaccine....polio is a debilitating desiese. Breast feeding....no known negative consequence. My point is that there is no known negative consequence with an uncircumsized penis.

I also, unfortunately, had my son circumsized, but that was due to my ignorance on the subject matter. I also had my son baptised and not that that will do anything bad in life, but since then I never guided him in any religous direction. He has wondered and looked into hebrewism, catholocism, hinduism etc. The important factor was on things that were not detrimental in life, he was able to research and choose for himself what he wanted to do or believe. No essential brainwashing with ideas that I might feel are relevant or irrelevant.

I think the most important thing that a parent/future parent can realize is that 1) parents should GUIDE their children in life and not try and force them down the path we want. There are many paths in life and many of them might lead to the same point, but it's the journey down various paths that alllow us to form into who we are and learn about whats right and wrong in life. Sometimes these paths can have many more obstacles than another, but we can only inform our children from a very young age about this and then just try to guide them. Ultimately it will be there decision and they, like we had to, will live with the outcome of those decisions.

[psychocat]

Brutal barbaric practice.
FUCK THAT !!

For those less fortunate they have this http://www.4restore.com/fnr.htm

You can check out the reactions to when I first posted this item here : http://boards.cannabis.com/showthread.php?t=6319

[Adam01]

Uncut with pride.

[Breukelen advocaat]

parents are expected to make tons of decisions for children...i bet your happy mommy chose to give you that polio vaccine huh? Im not speaking speificaly to maggz, because I understand the logic...the kid cant choose, thats true...but as a parent you are expected to choose how your child will live, from breast feeding to bottle feeding, religion, medications, names,
and every other goddamn thing, at least until they can talk...every parent has a right and an obligation to make those choices....I simply made the choice that I, as my kids parent, thought would be right....unfortunately all the PARENTS that made the same decision I did, wont speak up about it because hearing someone without any experience in being responsible for a child criticize their parenting practices is insulting and ridiculous...I dont blame them for feeling like they shouldnt have to defend how they raise THEIR kids...I love the comments like "i wont have them cut, i dont care what the bitch says.." well the "bitch" you refer to is the mother...and unfortunantely for the "man-bitch" the real "bitch" has alot more to say about what happens to the child then daddy...especially if you knock her up out of wedlock, so i would suggest being nicer to your bitch...
shame on all of the people who speak like prophets on a subject they dont have any real-life experience in... I'll listen to the dude that got the cut at 30....he knows what hes talking about...Ill chat with parents who made the decision to do it or not... I wont, however, listen to the people who come on here "halfcocked" (heehee) just looking for a reason to bitch and flaunt their abilities to research random shit on the net (congratulations, by the way, you can read)....maggz...once again I am not speaking directly to you, i just like the point you made and thought your quote would start my rant off nicely...thank you
when all of you are lucky enough to have babies, you can bet that I wont be on here bitching about the kind of life you have chosen to start your kids with...and anyone who thinks they have the right to talk shit obviously has no idea of what kind of imperfect, double edged, damned if you do damned if you dont, type of decisions pop up in parenting....gain that experience and talk to me again, maybe I can actually respect your opinion

First of all, I've been "researching" circumcision since long before the internet was around. I have also given my time, resources and money to the cause of stopping it. I don't "flaunt" anything that I believe in - but I don't let it die just because some misguided people have a different opinion.

You still fail to get the point. Nobody is blaming YOU, or any other parents, for anything. This barbaric practice has to be shown for what it is, and we have the rights to speech, assembly, petition, etc., until it stops. This procedure is beyond "malpractice" - it's a gigantic, malicious fraud, and the remaining cases of unnecessary foreskin mutilations in the world are diminishing every day. Your yelling and insults won't do any good - uncut is going to be the norm in the U.S. - and that goes for your future grandchild descendants, whether you like it or not.

[rajking86]

People who think being circumsized is "right" needs to take the yard stick that seems to be oh so lodged up their rectal cavity, OUT.






IMMEDIATELY.

[YouD0nt]

I'm circumsised, couldn't imagine it any other way.

[SinisterK]

I'm uncircumsized. I was teased when I was younger, but I'm only a better person because of it. I'm very happy with it too. Over time the nerves in the head die because their is no foreskin to protect it, thats why the foreskin is there. It looks cleaner cut, but you also loose about 3/4 of the nerves, making sex less enjoyable. But either way is cool.

[make it legal]

wow this is great im still wearing the sweater and i used to be all insecure about it cus i thought it was really different and nobody else wasnt and all but this threadd makes me feel better about it haha. and to breukelen advocaat...your a fucking weirdo dude, what the hell is wrong with you? your OBSESSED with the topic. are you really that obsessed with dicks?? jees dude

[psychocat]

I have to agree with Breuk on this one.
It's different if someone decides at 18 to have it done but to take away the choice and just do it when they are kids is (IMO) nothing less than abuse of power.

[Breukelen advocaat]

I have to agree with Breuk on this one.
It's different if someone decides at 18 to have it done but to take away the choice and just do it when they are kids is (IMO) nothing less than abuse of power.

Yeah, and maybe Make it Legal would not have been spared the knife if people had not questioned the practice of infant male genital mutilation (which is still going on) for the past 25 years - before he was born.

You can't please everybody - we know that's true. :dance:

[Nightfire24]

There is no medical reason to do this mutilation to infants. The foreskin is packed with nerve endings that cannot be replaced once amputated. Some botched operations actually KILL the child, or leave the baby horribly injured. The procedure is done without anesthesia, and the pain leaves psychological scars that may remain for life.

The heath insurance companies in Europe stopped paying for circumcisions, so the practice has dropped drastically. The rate of circumcisions would go down in the U.S. as well, if people really knew how bad it is, and the insurance companies followed the lead of their European counterparts.

The men who were cut as infants, and say that they prefer it, can not validate this opinion because they donâ??t know any better - itâ??s as ridiculous as having any organ removed in infancy and saying that itâ??s better this way.

Nature provides foreskins for a reason, and it is extremely stupid to just hack it off. It also provides for better sex with women, a sort of "gliding" effect that they prefer to the circumcised penis.

Most Americans have a dislike of the foreskin because of the culture. Most of the world, fortunately, does not think this way.


do ya fucking research i was born with a condition its called hooded peiness its when the foreskin is right over the tip and basically no hole to piss out

[psychocat]

do ya fucking research i was born with a condition its called hooded peiness its when the foreskin is right over the tip and basically no hole to piss out

I believe you may be a pedant , the reason I believe this is because you are obviously someone who was done for medical reasons and you feel sore about that (forced not choice), but I believe that what BA was trying to say was NOT that there are no medical reasons for doing it BUT that there are no medical reasons for doing it to a normal healthy child. (Breuk I may be wrong, I apologise now if I am)

[smitty420]

this thread makes me laugh, Breuklen you do seem a bit over obsessive about the state of todays penises

[Synbios]

Actually there really are very few medical reasons to circumcise, most foreskin problems can be sorted with more conservative treatments - http://www.norm-uk.org/circumcision_alternative_treatments.html
Unfortunately a lot of people in the medical profession are ignorant when it comes to the foreskin and see circumcision as the answer to every little minor problem.

[make it legal]

Yeah, and maybe Make it Legal would not have been spared the knife if people had not questioned the practice of infant male genital mutilation (which is still going on) for the past 25 years - before he was born.

You can't please everybody - we know that's true. :dance:


wait but i said that im NOT snipped

[smitty420]

i dont get why the people that r against circumcision are getting so defesive and pissy about this. Why does the state of others penises angery ou so much. jesus

[MbanjeBoy]

I'm 100% natural and me. still got tonsils, appendix, foreskin, no artificial holes anywhere, except possibly a few in my memory.....

[Breukelen advocaat]

wow this is great im still wearing the sweater and i used to be all insecure about it cus i thought it was really different and nobody else wasnt and all but this threadd makes me feel better about it haha. and to breukelen advocaat...your a fucking weirdo dude, what the hell is wrong with you? your OBSESSED with the topic. are you really that obsessed with dicks?? jees dude

Yeah, and maybe Make it Legal would not have been spared the knife if people had not questioned the practice of infant male genital mutilation (which is still going on) for the past 25 years - before he was born.
You can't please everybody - we know that's true. :dance:


wait but i said that im NOT snipped


That's exactly what I meant by "spared the knife". You weren't cut, and this possibly was because people were making noise about it, and will continue to until it's completly stopped.

It's not enough that you don't appreciate the time, effort and money that people put into fighting it, you are actually insulting those people.

Like I said before, you can't please everybody. :dance:

[psychocat]

i dont get why the people that r against circumcision are getting so defesive and pissy about this. Why does the state of others penises angery ou so much. jesus


The reason people get annoyed is because if you chose to "mutilate" a child in any other way you would rightfuly be locked up for a very long time yet this barbaric practice is practiced every day and as long as nobody speaks out they will continue to do it.

It's the same humanity that makes me step in if I see someone being bullied.

[Oneironaut]

Yes I am circumcised, and I'm fucking pissed off about it.

[OfAmbivalence]

You are entitled to your opinion, as I am to mine. Your hatred of foreskins is going the way of the horse and buggy. It's OLD - and your grandchildren, if you have any, will likely not be cut.

I don't care what you did, it's important that this barbaric practice be stopped. Your opinion is in the very small minority, and becoming less and less prevalent every day.

BTW, "Damn you!" is not a very nice way to start a conversation, Fatso. :dance:


i like the little dance, i can almost imagine someone saying that and doing a little jig lmfao im uncut and happy with it the way it is, if i ever feel the need to change that i am perfectly able to but once its gone its gone. I must say, i do rock the turtleneck though ;)

[nitemarehippiegirl]

When I had my son, this was so hard. In the end I couldn't do it to him. Don't jewish boys have it done at 13? I thought maybe when he's that age he could decide for himself. I don't want him to be seen as diff. by his peers, growing up is hard enough as it is. But, it never really made sense to me, I'm all for anything natural (hippiegirl)

[Empire]

Breukelen advocaat, you are my hero on this issue.

To everybody who is giving him a hard time about his supposed "obsession" with the foreskin, realize that this isn't just about a penis. This is about religious dogma infiltrating every expect of our society, and when not following religious dogma makes a person an outcast (i.e. having a foreskin).

There is absolutely no medical reason for the circumcision in any case, and it is especially appalling when it is done to a child with no voice in the decision who often feels regrets for their entire life.

There are of course studies out there that say that a circumcised penis is cleaner. There are studies out there that say marijuana causes impotency and amotivational syndrome. What I mean to say is that there are studies to justify every piece of Christian Right bullshit.

Circumcision is a part of something bigger than itself. It is about the free choice of an individual and about standing up for facts, logic, and the way we were meant to be in the face of an avalanche of dogma and fear.

Just because it is your opinion it is okay, just because it is our societal standard does not make it right to mutilate a child.

And Muncheemama, you're self-righteous indignation and heated claims of "experience" over ours don't help. Being passionate about something wrong doesn't make it right. Your ridiculous claims of making parental decisions might not play out so well when your children realize that they have lost a part of themselves that they will never get back.

[psychocat]

Your ridiculous claims of making parental decisions might not play out so well when your children realize that they have lost a part of themselves that they will never get back.


Xmas present of the future ??

http://www.4restore.com/

[birdgirl73]

When I had my son, this was so hard. In the end I couldn't do it to him. Don't jewish boys have it done at 13? I thought maybe when he's that age he could decide for himself. I don't want him to be seen as diff. by his peers, growing up is hard enough as it is. But, it never really made sense to me, I'm all for anything natural (hippiegirl)
I think you're thinking of the bar mitzvah that Jewish boys have at 13. That's when they "come of age" and are thought to be grown-up enough to be responsible for obeying all their faith's commandments from then on.

Jewish male baby boys are supposed to be circumcised on their 8th day of life, and their circumcision is thought of as an outward sign of a male's participation in Israel's covenant with God.

Although I'm an agnostic Presbyterian, religious beliefs of all kinds just fascinate me. I've just been reading the Jewish Book of Why about this very subject, prompted by this thread a couple of weeks ago when it began. If I were Jewish, I'd have had a hard time circumcising my son, but apparently it's a very commonly practiced ritual in their religion. From what I've read, even the majority of unobservant or lapsed Jews still do the circumcision even when they don't adhere to any other aspect of their faith.

[LIP]

People who think being circumsized is "right" needs to take the yard stick that seems to be oh so lodged up their rectal cavity, OUT.






IMMEDIATELY.

That post is idiocy at the hight of its meaning. Please, if you have nothing normal to post, then dont. This isnt a schoo kid web site, its for ADULTS, and we dont like children posting in ADULT threads.

[Empire]

You're right LIP that there are a lot of stupid people posting a lot of stupid things on this thread.

Overall though, it is an important topic that some people feel strongly about and argue articulately about.

Do as I do and ignore the stupid people

[BongSmokityDuo]

I'm still intact and I couldn't be happier. I feel sorry for you gentleman that got cut.

[LordSmaug]

I had a good portion of my Cock lobbed off around 18 years ago.

I kind of wish I had a fucking say in the matter but uh, at least this way I don't have to deal with Smegma. And my dick's easier to pierce.

[Inferius]

You guys don't seem to be getting the point. For one, they can't use anaesthesia on infants becuase the infant might DIE. And two, IT TAKES AWAY MASSIVE AMOUNTS OF PLEASURE. Kills and scarrs nerve endings. And why should it be YOUR descision? Do you tell your children now-a-days that for no reason at all I took away HUGE AMOUNTS of your sexual pleasure? And guess what little Jhonny? You'll NEVER KNOW THE TRUE PLEASURE, of an uncircumsized sexual expirience. Yep. Deal with it.
Sure, I'd have to say girls like it more to be circumsized, around 40%/60%, but is sex really about pleasing your partner? Is that what makes you feel good, to make sure they're having a good time? No. It's about your own fantasies, your own sensations, your own pleasure. Sure, spreading love in a harmonious act of love can be incredibly endearing to both parties, but the goal is your own sexual release. And i've heard they think it's prettier.
This is the kind of stuff that society makes them think, stuff that usually causes no good. To look at the matter with complete objectivity ;) would be the only way to truly trust those answers.
Chappelle quote of the day... "...or I'll burn!... You're feET!!.." lol. :smokin:

[OreO]

wow, i seriously didnt know it was that big of an issue..i thought it was as normal as birth...i guess not. Im cut aswell

[rajking86]

That post is idiocy at the hight of its meaning. Please, if you have nothing normal to post, then dont. This isnt a schoo kid web site, its for ADULTS, and we dont like children posting in ADULT threads.


I will take heed to your wise, wise, words.


:thumbsup:

[RainyDayWoman]

For one, they can't use anaesthesia on infants becuase the infant might DIE.


That's not true.

Methods of anesthesia include a topical and a local anesthesia ie dorsal penile nerve block (DPNB).

[psychocat]

Think of it this way:
If you were to take a knife to a child under any other circumstances and perform un-needed surgery they would be right to lock you up for a real long time.
Why does society allow the mutilation of infants ?

I am certain that if you left a guy alone but informed him, then at 16 you asked him "Hey dude how about you get a piece of your dick removed?" The answer would be the same in 99% of men.

STAY THE FUCK AWAY FROM MY DICK MAN!!!

[shoi]

this threads made me sad that i am :/




http://www.4restore.com/

birdgirl this is probably a question for u due to ur medical noing or w/e

would this work? ud get foreskin back but would u get nerves back aswell? as in would u be as sensitive?

id like to no!!!! birdgirl this is probably a question for u

[Breukelen advocaat]

this threads made me sad that i am :/
birdgirl this is probably a question for u due to ur medical noing or w/e

would this work? ud get foreskin back but would u get nerves back aswell? as in would u be as sensitive?

id like to no!!!! birdgirl this is probably a question for u

You cannot get the nerve endings back with foreskin restoration. Once they are removed, that's the end of them.

Men that have restored claim that there is a return of sensitivity to the penis head, becaue it is once again protected from getting irritated by clothing, as well as a more comfortable, natural "gliding" action during intercourse or masturbation.

Restoration can be done surgically through skin graft, but the majority of restoration is done by gently stretching the skin over time. There are a variety of ways to accomplish this - some men just stretch every day with their hands Others use tape, plastic rings, and various devices to create new tissue. There are instructions online for ways to do it. It does not happen overnight, and takes commitment and persistence.

[birdgirl73]

Wow. I had no idea people had even attempted restoration! I know there've been restorations to repair botched circumcisions, of course, but I didn't know there'd ever been restorations just for the sake of restorations.

Breuk knows a lot more about this area than I do, Shoi, having researched it for a long time and caring so much about this subject. I also tend to believe that first-hand penis-owners can address this subject more knowledgably.

It certainly makes perfect sense that even with restoration, no nerve function would return. The thing about removed or altered body parts is that the nerve endings they contain go/change with them (in this case it's really more the newly exposed glans whose sensitivity changes and desensitizes after circumcision, right, Breuk?). But to further impede any restoration of nerve function in foreskin removal or any other sort of "amputation," over time the neural pathways in the brain that correspondingly allow the body to feel sensation also shrink back and wither away. So even if add-back foreskins were widely available and widely restored, unless they were restored very quickly, the brain would have already made its neural adjustments and men wouldn't easily regain sensation anyway, even with the most skilled reattachment.

[psychocat]

http://www.cirp.org/pages/restore.html

Hope this can be of help.The site itself has links to medical info too.

[shoi]

ok so nerves wouldnt come back but it does increase sensitivity again? (do correct me if im wrong)

hmm interusting
id maybe do it but i dunno if being younger casues problems with it....

[birdgirl73]

Well, Breuk or a reconstructive expert would have to give you the real answer here. I really don't know. I would think different people might have different results.

Seems to me like the thing to keep in miind is that sensation adjusts quickly after circumcision, practically in babyhood, and men who've been circumcized are just as able to experience great sexual pleasure. It's just that the quality of sensations may be different than that of uncut guys.

My husband just said that since one cut guy can't really know how the experience of an uncut penis truly feels, what's to worry about? "Guys will forever be telling each other that one status (cut vs. uncut) is better than the other, but they can't really know unless they were circumcized in adulthood and had something to compare it to for themselves. The 'My way feels better' claim is just another way of trying to hang dick power over another dude." He may be onto something there. That being said, he's been cut himself, and he still felt strongly, as did I, that we shouldn't circumcize our son when he was a baby.

[Breukelen advocaat]

Well, Breuk or a reconstructive expert would have to give you the real answer here. I really don't know. I would think different people might have different results.

Seems to me like the thing to keep in miind is that sensation adjusts quickly after circumcision, practically in babyhood, and men who've been circumcized are just as able to experience great sexual pleasure. It's just that the quality of sensations may be different than that of uncut guys.

My husband just said that since one cut guy can't really know how the experience of an uncut penis truly feels, what's to worry about? "Guys will forever be telling each other that one status (cut vs. uncut) is better than the other, but they can't really know unless they were circumcized in adulthood and had something to compare it to for themselves. The 'My way feels better' claim is just another way of trying to hang dick power over another dude." He may be onto something there. That being said, he's been cut himself, and he still felt strongly, as did I, that we shouldn't circumcize our son when he was a baby.

One guy that was cut as an adult said his pleasure went from a "10", uncut, down to a "3" after the operation. There are similar stories documented. I would guess that adult guys who do it for religious reasons aren't going to be completely honest. Likewise, if somebody was convinced to get one for medical purposes, whether the advice was sound or not, they may accept whatever the side effects are without complaining - especially if there was a threat of cancer.

The circumcision causes more problems as the men get older - more rubbing which causes desensitization, added troubles due to less testosterone (both cut and uncut men), etc.

I don't think that there are too many guys that are uncut that claim to have superior sexual prowess to the circumcised men.

The foreskin contains the greatest amount of sensitive nerve endings in the male body, and I find it impossible to believe that the removal of them is going to result in an organ that is equal to the way it would have been without the circumcision.

Well, I am glad to see that many parents are sparing their son(s) the knife.

[birdgirl73]

It'd be interesting to do a study of guys, say men who convert to Judaism and have to be circumcized in adulthood, and get their real experiences. You're probably right that many wouldn't be completely candid.

So I have a question base on one thing you said up there. Does the foreskin play a role in testosterone levels/production? Oh, duh, no, I realize you were talking about the lower testosterone levels as men age causing problems either way.

[matt2m]

you guys that are snipped dont understand my tip is so sensitive when you pull back the foreskin i prolly enjoy blowjobs more than you :)

[LIP]

I will take heed to your wise, wise, words.


:thumbsup:

Thankyou, your not as bad as i thought.

[shoi]

meh its not worth it

[OniEhtRedrum781]

meh its not worth it
it sounds wierd too.. I wonder wut the "device" looks like

[psychocat]

This is a foreskin restorer.

[rajking86]

ouch that looks painful.....

[nitemarehippiegirl]

Thanks for the clarification birdgirl, I just had this conversation with a friend who said the same thing. :o I apologize for my ignorance, I am finding religions very interesting as well, most of my focus is on the eastern world though, for know. I just hope my little guy will appreciate the decision I made when he's older. I am glad to hear that you had decided the same with your son,

[lilstony421]

any girl that would think make fun of a guys penis needs to get choked by it .
if they care that much they must be sluts or seen alot .

theres more there to love . theres no problem with it .

unless your a jewand its made to be done.

my freind came out in 10th grade and told everyone that i was going to hell cuz of it and well lol i girls keep coming .

somtimes they cant do that to a baby when its born .

the girls that shes talking about must dislike it becasue they have to use more brains to think of what to do . :smokin:

[orangeman]

Yeah, I'm circumcised. Dont mean to sound homo but uncircumcised penises just seem funny (seen on porns), no offence to those that arent circumcised but
it's not like penis size, you can actually do something about that extra skin :p.

[birdgirl73]

This is a foreskin restorer.
That's not a foreskin restorer. That's a Gomco bell, one of the tools that's used to protect the head of the penis during circumcision. A larger part of the Gomco apparatus (the rest of which isn't pictured) guides the doctor in that actual cutting of the foreskin.

It was looking at one of these Gomco devices at the hospital that helped make my mind up that, without a doubt, I didn't want to circumcize my baby boy.

[Breukelen advocaat]

That's not a foreskin restorer. That's a Gomco bell, one of the tools that's used to protect the head of the penis during circumcision. A larger part of the Gomco apparatus (the rest of which isn't pictured) guides the doctor in that actual cutting of the foreskin.

It was looking at one of these Gomco devices at the hospital that helped make my mind up that, without a doubt, I didn't want to circumcize my baby boy.


It is a foreskin restoration device, called the 4Restore:
http://www.4restore.com/

It looks similar, because it has a similar function, which is to stretch skin - but in this case the purpose is to cause new tissue to grow.

[birdgirl73]

Sheesh. They're identical!! My apologies for my confusion, then. Wonder if Gomco makes those, too? Well, I'd rather see it used as a restoration tool than a cutting aid. Any day.

But I confess that I find two things about this whole subject amazing. The first is why anyone would want to cut a baby's foreskin off. And the second is why any one would go through restoration. Are the men who do that experiencing sexual problems as a result of their earlier circumcisions? That seems to me an awful lot like a procedure someone might become convinced he needs when in truth there might be bigger issues at play. Just my theory, but the attempt to fix bigger psyche-related issues through medical procedures is a fairly common phenomenon.

[birdgirl73]

Oh, heck, I just read more on that site. They don't do surgical restoration. They just use that tool to stretch the skin. Which of course is what you told me.

Ignore my last post. I can completely understand why someone would do the stretching restoration without a doubt. Nothing to lose. Everything to gain. (Couldn't resist that old cliche there.) It's the folks who would go in and ask a surgeon to graft other skin on that I'd worry about.

[Synbios]

I think the guys who get skin grafts are usually the guys who are suffering physical problems as a result of their circumcisions, such as painful erections from having too much skin removed.

[BCBUDBOY]

I was born circumcised, I asked my mom why I did not have a foreskin being its not our religon,and she told me I was born that way. BCBUDBOY

[bobbydabud]

I was born circumcised, I asked my mom why I did not have a foreskin being its not our religon,and she told me I was born that way. BCBUDBOY

what? how is that possible unless she didnt want to tell you that they cut it.

and im all natural but a couple years ago i wished i was cut because i just thought it was right for some reason

[hipEstoner]

i am happily circumsized, see, heres a picture

[cannabis campbell]

I was born circumcised, I asked my mom why I did not have a foreskin being its not our religon,and she told me I was born that way. BCBUDBOY


i am happily circumsized, see, heres a picture

LMAO

[smoky mcpot 05]

damn I didn't think this would be that close of a race! I once saw a sticker that looked like it was made to be put on a stop sign, white letters with red backing, anyway the sticker said 'circumsizing babies' on a STOP sign. I got a hella laugh outta that.

[wildhornet]

Alrighty, i'm a new member, and as luck would have it, this is the first post i saw.

Anyway, i just wanted to be very clear about one thing; having your foreskin removed DOES NOT decrease sexual pleasure. If you aren't a guy, take my word for it. In all honesty, i wouldn't want it to feel any more.....stimulating. Hell, i've got a tough enough time lasting 45min anyway!!!:D

Anywho, i doubt very much that there is any significant health risk either. Somehow i think that if the practice is still being done to ~50% of american males that you would hear about a lot more kids dying if it was such an issue.

Personally i really like what i've got, and the ladies DEFINITELY don't complain.

much lovin
wild

[KNVB]

I'm glad I don't have an anteater dick. So glad to be circumcized.

[jamstigator]

Hah, yeah, I saw some TV show about guys who had restoration surgery. One guy had been working on a restored foreskin for years and had made it freakishly gigantic, like softball-sized or so.

I'm circumcised and have no problem with it. I've seen people say there is decreased sensitivity, but I get plenty enough sensation. When you remove a person's eyes, they hear/smell/taste better than the average sight-dependent person. When a person sustains damage to the brain, the brain can rewire itself around the damaged area. Perhaps that's what happens with circumcised people too: we have less nerve endings, so our brain compensates and while we may get our pleasure from fewer nerve endings, perhaps with rewiring the pleasure-per-nerve-ending is correspondingly higher.

Tonsils, appendix, pinky toes, foreskins - these are things that we no longer need, archaic products of evolution, perhaps useful in the distant past, but not so useful anymore.

Funny story about circumcision. When I was living in Turkey, a Turk I worked with was scheduled to be circumcised that day. I told him, "Man! What if the doctor slips, just a little? Boom, no penis!" He ended up cancelling his circumcision, which was for him a huge deal, as it involved societal mores, religion, tradition, all that stuff. I felt guilty after scaring him off circumcision, especially seeing as I am myself circumcised and have had zero problems with being so.

For those attached to their foreskin (figuratively and literally, lol), more power to ya. If you have no regrets, that's cool. If I had kids though, I'd probably have the boys circumcised. Every male in my family for at least the last 150 years has been circumcised, and none of them have had any problems or complaints.

[NightProwler]

they cut it originally cuz they lived in sand and the sand would get iin there

[cannabis campbell]

Funny story about circumcision. When I was living in Turkey, a Turk I worked with was scheduled to be circumcised that day. I told him, "Man! What if the doctor slips, just a little? Boom, no penis!" He ended up cancelling his circumcision, which was for him a huge deal, as it involved societal mores, religion, tradition, all that stuff. I felt guilty after scaring him off circumcision, especially seeing as I am myself circumcised and have had zero problems with being so.

Lol that was quite funny

[pbzeppelin90]

where did you get this idea?^^ its false by the way..... you keep talking about this like its an accesory.... my kids bodies aren't purses or shoes, I didn't do it because it was trendy and I wont feel bad if it goes out of "style"....I did it becasue my husband and I were brought up to believe it is better for my kids...the doctors told us it was better for them... I have never encountered an uncut weiner, so I suppose my view comes form one of ignorance....as i'm sure your view does as well...keep on trying to save all the foreskin of the world one weed website at a time....good luck, but if I have another boy I will do it again, no question
are there any guys on here who were cut and now regret it...? People have body parts removed all the time, there are alot of pieces that are uneccesary, the apendix, tonsils, wisdom teeth, hair, why dont you work on those parts too? Sounds like you have a strange obsession with penises... why dont you stick one in your mouth and quit bitchin
And if I had a daughter, no I wouldnt circumsize her, why? because its not part of my culture....call it a double standard if you like, just make sure you add it to society's long list of double standards....the facts are that the world is imperfect, and people have the ability to make decisions, and just because some people dont agree, it doesn't make me wrong...

Your "culture" is going to do away with circumcision, with or without my help. It's happening right now, but you're just finding out now.

You can not make a good argument for this butchery, so you insult the people that are against it. YOU, and other people that favor the mutilation of baby boys, have a "strange obsession with penises" - you destroy the most sensitive part of them, and swear that it's a good thing without one valid reason why other than "culture". Well, your culture is rotten. Those foreskins are rarely used for skin grafting - they are often sold to the beauty companies to test makeup and other shit that bimbos use to paint themselves with. It's a rotten, corrupt, business and as soon as the medical companies stop paying for it, the cutting will stop, like it did in Europe.

The only people that KNOW that it is worse than being naturally endowed are ADULT males that did it - usually because of bad medical advice. I've heard guys say that their sensitivity went from a "10" down to about a "3" after the procedure. Of course, in the very rare instances of cancer of the foreskin, surgical circumcision is necessary, and the men are not concerned with their loss of foreskin. And for people that convert to Islam, or Judaism, they just grin and bear it. Otherwise, the verdict is usually that it is much worse. Men that were mutilated as babies don't know any different, including your family members.

As I said before, your future grandchildren will probably escape the knife, because it's becoming less and less popular. All we have to do is convince the insurance companies not to pay for it anymore, and it's pretty much over.


P.S. I didnt' start the topic, and you, as a woman, have less knowledge than any man does about the male anatomy. You probably have deep seated resentments against men, as well, judging from your hostility.


holy fuck man. did someone snip you up wrong because you seem pretty bitter about the subject. im circumsized, and i dont miss my foreskin at all. all that stuff about circumsicion dropping doesnt make since. my mom works in a hospital, and has grown male patients come in for circumsision all the time. im not saying one is better than the other, but my mom has some nasty stories about the kind of bacteria that can fester in some peoples foreskin. if you clean than your fine, sure, but i prefer not having to worry about having fungus growing around my head that will have to be removed with a lazer. and anasthesia only lasts so long my friend.

[Breukelen advocaat]

[quote=Breukelen advocaat]


holy fuck man. did someone snip you up wrong because you seem pretty bitter about the subject. im circumsized, and i dont miss my foreskin at all. all that stuff about circumsicion dropping doesnt make since. my mom works in a hospital, and has grown male patients come in for circumsision all the time. im not saying one is better than the other, but my mom has some nasty stories about the kind of bacteria that can fester in some peoples foreskin. if you clean than your fine, sure, but i prefer not having to worry about having fungus growing around my head that will have to be removed with a lazer. and anasthesia only lasts so long my friend.

I'm sure that you're happy with your circumcision, even though it was probably done to you as an infant and you don't know the difference anyway.

Some people do not brush their teeth, and get cavities and other problems. Using your logic, we should just yank them all out so that brushing will be unnecessary.

I have absolutely no problem with grown men getting cut, or even a child in a case of absolute medical necessity, which is extremely rare - but in the case of babies it's not for anybody to decide except for the owner of the foreskin, if and when they are old enough to make that decision themselves.

[stoneberg]

Wow I can't believe this thread is still alive. Breukelen, if you're so against circumcision, why don't you go do something such as protest instead of arguing about it tirelessly on a marijuana forum. I'm circumcized as I said before, and you're right about me not knowing what its like to have a foreskin, but then again what I don't know can't hurt me, and even if I get a foreskin the damaged nerve tissue would not heal itself and I would still be less sensitive. I don't really care about it though because I've never had any trouble with it. I never really thought about circumcision and what I would do to my children if I have some, but I guess letting them decide what they want to do with their body is their own choice, although circumcision would be a painful thing by the time they're old enough to decide. Two of my friends had been circumcized at age 13, and they had to take anti-boner pills and painkillers for a while until the tissue healed. I never asked them how theyre doing down there afterwards, but I'm guessing they like it because they didn't get it restored. My close friend now wants to be circumcized because his girlfriend prefers it. Now again I'm not taking sides, but I really think its a very ambiguous case to be arguing about for such a long time on a MARIJUANA forum.

[Pride]

It also provides for better sex with women, a sort of "gliding" effect that they prefer to the circumcised penis.

My gf sure thought different...
She thought a circumcised dick felt much better.

[Davidj56]

No.. And they lyed when your not

[bud.dy]

im circumsized and i ldnt rly care if otherwise
i didnt get the choice but it had to be done cos as a baby i couldnt retract my foreskin so they cut it of
anywa as i said i dnt care its still mine it just got a "haircut-that-will-never grow-back"

[bill5815]

negative

[LIP]

[quote=pbzeppelin90]

I'm sure that you're happy with your circumcision, even though it was probably done to you as an infant and you don't know the difference anyway.

Some people do not brush their teeth, and get cavities and other problems. Using your logic, we should just yank them all out so that brushing will be unnecessary.

I have absolutely no problem with grown men getting cut, or even a child in a case of absolute medical necessity, which is extremely rare - but in the case of babies it's not for anybody to decide except for the owner of the foreskin, if and when they are old enough to make that decision themselves.

You know, i have lost all repect for you, and infact, think your a massive dong in the words of Sacha Baron Cohen.

[hammertime]

my ding dong in snipped. thank god, i dont want some funky skin shit over my dick head

[DannyMan]

I am not and it feels good. :rasta:

[intrepidus6]

I am not, and I really don't care either way.

[I just love weed]

im not and i probably never will be but both of you are fucking crazy isnt this sight about smoking weed? go smoke yourself a fucking blunt and get super fucked and forget about it. I agree that a person should have a choice but it deosnt make a difference anyway noone gives a shit macheemama or w/e the fuck your name is. You were talking about how you did it so your boys would not be persicuted. once again NOONE GIVES A FUCK wether u are circumsized your not fucking persecuted for shit that noone sees less you play football or something, as others said this was to say wether you were circumsized or not both of you go somewhere else and argue about something that obviously noone besides you two really care about. Seriously take your bitching somewhere else like AIM or email or some shit. Really you guys are ridiculous and i dont wanna hear soem lame as response from either of you because i will never read it so it wont make a difference.

[BlueDevil]

I am and am glad to be. The consensus amoung practically all the girls I know is that "top hats" are nasty. My take; worrying about yeast infections is for chicks!

[Inferius]

I am and am glad to be. The consensus amoung practically all the girls I know is that "top hats" are nasty. My take; worrying about yeast infections is for chicks!

Indeed. Us "Mad-Hatters" don't have to worry about yeast infections.
Unless you don't bathe...
And the great thing about being uncircumsized, the greatest thing I might imagine, is that we don't need lotion.
We can stroke the weasel wherever, and whenever we want. And it feels oooh so good. :p

[HypnotizedMind]

Yes i am, and if i was old enough to talk then i would have said HELL YEAH.

its cleaner and it looks better.

[BlueDevil]

"Indeed. Us "Mad-Hatters" don't have to worry about yeast infections.
Unless you don't bathe..."

I wasn't refering to simple hygeine, but more towards what happens when an uncut wang comes into contact with a vag that has a yeast infection (or worse).
You get a bacteria overgrowth in the tip of your little man, and all the bathing in the world isn't going to fix it.
And it would just suck to be out in the middle of no-where and not be able to render special attention to your junk that is needed, like the ointments some uncut guys slap on down there when thigns get agitated (which, according to some of my old Brit schoolmates, happens from time to time for a variety of reasons.)

Had I not been cut when I was an infant, I would have no doubt gotten it done at a later date. That 'less sensitivty' bull is a total myth as well. Removing a foreskin doesn't magically strip out the nerves in your 'helmet.'

But hey, to each his own.

[allrightname]

how odd that 55.6% of the men here are circumcised while in the US 55.9% of children are circumcised. Interesting correlation.

[wayoftheleaf]

I am leaving my kid uncercomcized until he is 20 or so. then ill tell him he does it or he is cut out of the will.

[airdog81]

very well put breukelen advocaat. I love this country (USA) as much as the next person but Amercians have some messed up traditions, circumcision being one of them. As for Muncheemama's statement doing something because everyone else does it is just wrong. Arent we supposed to be talking about cannabis!!!!