Bubbles Simple Sat/Ind Grow!

[plastik]

ok, the pics are not of all that great of quality...but they do the job. Some are pics from another, which happened to die of root rot, and I managed to save one clone...shes a beaut! Few random pics of my setup/plants/etc...so enjoy!

Pic1: This is why you don't grow multiple sativa outdoors in a 1 gallon bag...very lanky(first grow..was just for fun)
Pic2: The larger sativa, still very tall and lanky, very distant internode length
Pic3: All my supplies!
Pic4: Mylar
Pic5: Finally, the setup! 400MH, 6plant drip system, and some 3day old seedling.

[plastik]

Pic1: 2 in one pot...thats a no no!
Pic2: and the next day..
Pic3: another one 5 days from seed
Pic4: they are soo young
Pic5: getting bigger..

[plastik]

pic1: my my they grow soo quick...3 weeks veg
pic2: same day, close pic
pic3: soo short, around 6 inches or less!
pic4: some bending...
pic5: topped youngin (important plant, the topped clone of this one was the only one to survive from cloning before root rot took hold)

[plastik]

pic1: 4 weeks veg, starting to overgrow a bit.
pic2: this is how you get root bound in hydroton netcups..the timing on the drip is what caused this, now i only do 24/7 without any probs.
pic3: horrible HPS shot
pic4: definately 100% indica (3 weeks veg from seed)
pic5: stem porn from the only surviving clone at 1 month veg (was a 2 inch cutting)

[plastik]

pic1: more stem porn..3 weeks veg from seed.
pic2: 4 week veg jungle.
pic3: finally...the whole thing, 1 4 weeks vegged clone (largest part) and 4 weeks vegged seed (3 seed plants) kinda hard to see, but the main bulk to the right is the 1 month old clone which was sexed 3 weeks into veg. she's approx 2FT+, and a very bushy sativa.
pic4: clone at 3 weeks veg, 1 week flower (stem porn)
pic5: inside

[plastik]

btw, all female bagseed.

[Trivium]

Looking great plastik. This is a very nice hydro setup you have and they are vegging very nicely.

[plastik]

also, there has been no pruning or topping whatsoever, everything is LST/jogging. Notice on the main stem, how close the branch nodes are. I would say less than 1/4-1/2 inch between each.

[plastik]

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[tx.freak]

bump ...lmao nice system plastik ...how close to each other are the pots and can i see how it looks on the inside?:stoned:

[plastik]

you mean the roots and all? I'll have to ask Julian and Ricky first...The pots are very close in this system, I may have to move to a bigger one next time..but for now Im sure I can finish with what I've got. If I bend outwards, I shouldn't have that problem again.

[tx.freak]

well i was wondering if it got crowded in that container ... i have a 2'x4'x1' tub and was wanting to make something like what you got using six 6inch pots and a water pump ....maybe 4 would be better?

[plastik]

this is prolly best for an all indica grow with 4...but you can do 6...as you can see I only use 4. The roots haven't probably filled the res up halfway...holds approx 10 gallons max...but 7 recommended. I only use 2-3 gallons for all 4. I use a bit above half nute strength and top up with plain water every 4 days, and change the res completely every week or every week and few days. I like to add a bit lower concetration, because in a few days, the water level goes down and the concentration rises. I wouldn't recommend an all sativa grow though unless you LST/Jog them. But since I keep them all under 2 foot tall, I have no problems. I also didn't start using my pump this second round at all until today. I've had no problems, and I've actually seen better growth, but recently, since I have soo much of roots in the res, I needed a boost of aeration. I keep the drip time on 24/7...no root rot soo far. I don't use any temp guages other than my hand for distance from plants, and temp of res. I'm only growing as much as I need for myself and for an MS patient..and not much is needed, so thats why there are soo few. My main experience is with outdoor soil, with little to no maintenance. So, hydro is something to look forward to for me..I've seen nothing but fantastic results soo far, and I know all there is to know on the subject. I would never go back to soil myself. But I would like to grow hydro outside. And also, I'm using only 3 inch netpots..and look at my 1 month results, andI'm using approx. less than 1 gallon of PH'd tap water per plant...so you can do it with less, and not a whole lot of maintenance.

[plastik]

just some horrible hps shots...size comparison.

[plastik]

some new pics, size comparison.. 3 weeks veg, 2 weeks flower.

[plastik]

and more...

[tx.freak]

bump ...why banned ...was it personal or was he bad?

[Opie Yutts]

Nice, I'm drooling. Nice disclaimer too.

I'm glad you came over to our side and I'm glad you are liking it.

Won't you others join too? Operators are standing by.

[Opie Yutts]

I see you want a boost in aeration. I highly recomend a small pump with adjustable power-head. Not only does it make good bubbles in your res, but you aim the head wherever you want, and the water swirls around. About 20 or 30 dollars at a hydro store.

[plastik]

yeah I was thinking about getting a powerhead. my pump is getting old and about to burn out...noticed the flow has started to decline, even when I cleaned it out. I added 4 more ceramic airstones in there. What I really need to get is a new timer..the other timer is a 24/7 timer, with only 8 on/off settings, totalling 16 settings. more for a light than a pump..but when I ordered it, the guy said it did 15 min aswell...what a big lie. needed it anyways though. anyone got a link to a timer I could buy locally?

[Zandor]

Welcome back plastik.

[plastik]

Nice, I'm drooling. Nice disclaimer too.

I'm glad you came over to our side and I'm glad you are liking it.

Won't you others join too? Operators are standing by.


LOL! nice disclaimer you have too!
(though its more like a claim than a disclaim)

yeah, hydro beats soil in every way hands down. Most people say it doesn't affect potentcy..but those fuckers are liars! The whole point is to allow a plant to reach its potential. Well, the plants true potential cannot be fully explored in todays world, especially in soil. cannabis is an ancient plant, and the growing conditions it is originally used to from millions of years ago, just aren't as good today. I believe hydro and aero allow the plant to better reach its potential. alot of people say outdoor soil is the best you can possibly grow. but this is not true. you can only grow the most potent bud indoors, whether it is soil or hydro. nature is harsh on the outdoor plants with rain and winds and bugs and temperature changes, and other factors. Also plants harvested in mass usually don't have the potentcy that plants harvested in smaller numbers do...mainly, because of the handling and mistreatment of the buds while harvesting, and during drying/curing (if they even bother to cure). you lose alot of trichomes because of mishandling, and in turn, lose potentcy. and I love my buds covered in trichomes..I always go to the dealer with a magnifying glass and a scale..and If I'm not satisfied, I don't get it.

[plastik]

Welcome back plastik.

no thanks to you ;)

so, will you please email me and tell me why I was wrongfully banned now?

[latewood]

Well, I don't know why you were banned, but I will say that your statement that potency is better in hydro is wrong. I have and still do grow both methods. Pot doesn't get any more potent is hydro than soil...It is all Genetics.

Now it does grow bigger and faster, but I have had a single kolasoil plant out-yield hydro plants, when hydro plant showed serious hybrid tendencies and grew more foliage, thus creating too dense of foliage to get optimum bud maturity.

also, a plant reaches full potential regardless of medium grown in. Just the same as a plant vegged 3 months will take 3 months to finish.

I do have a question for you plastik! How do you know that all your bagseeds were females??? I really would like to know. peace

[plastik]

Well, I don't know why you were banned, but I will say that your statement that potency is better in hydro is wrong. I have and still do grow both methods. Pot doesn't get any more potent is hydro than soil...It is all Genetics.

Now it does grow bigger and faster, but I have had a single kolasoil plant out-yield hydro plants, when hydro plant showed serious hybrid tendencies and grew more foliage, thus creating too dense of foliage to get optimum bud maturity.

also, a plant reaches full potential regardless of medium grown in. Just the same as a plant vegged 3 months will take 3 months to finish.

I do have a question for you plastik! How do you know that all your bagseeds were females??? I really would like to know. peace

everyone slaps ppl with potentcy is genetic, but while true, also the conditions grown can allow it to better reach that genetic potential. I think we can all agree that hydro allows us to better reach this potential. in the outdoors, you will definately lose potentcy to the weather conditions. you will lose trichs, you will have rain, which will allow for less transpiration, and possibly the breaking off of trichromes.

"also, a plant reaches full potential regardless of medium grown in."

that is definately not true. if it is growing quicker, and in better conditions, then it is reaching more of its potential. giveing the roots more air in hydro, and not having to make them search for food, allows for it to reach its potential easier quicker. if anything, it only reachs the full potential the medium food and light will allow. that is like saying if you add C02 it won't help the plant further reach its potential. Hell, even with the best conditions you can provide today, you are still technically not reaching the plants potential..we are still far off from that. plants used to have 15x the C02 to use in the atmosphere than there is today, so technically they are reaching less potential today, and it has declined significantly over time. and it's all not just potentcy potential, it is also growth potential.

Oh and I know all of my bagseeds were female because there are preflowers in those pics, you just can't see them very well because it is only a 2 megapixel camera, and it is hard for me to get close up shots.

[latewood]

Cool a good answer...well, potency=Genetics...even you agreed with that. the reason ppl hit you with that is because it is true...bigtime!

Now when you compare Indoor hydro to Outdoor in the elements...That's apples and oranges.

But indoors I can grow a plant that "knock's your dick in the dirt"(70's saying) in either soil or hydro...and honestly, I do not need any more potential, personally...I'm there...Scary chitman. Peace, and thanks for not taking offense to my Queries. latewood

[plastik]

more pics... 3 weeks flowering if you count from showing of preflowers, 4 weeks and a few days if you count from switching to 12/12. 2 of these aren't as large as I'd like, but the sativa was just overshading them WAY too much, so only 2 got most of the good light. the sativa was jogged, and the others were basicly left alone.

Pic 1: shot of before the sativa was pulled, for clones.
Pic 2: horrible attempt at flowering pic from the sativa
Pic 3: indica flowering
Pic 4: little indica flowering
Pic 5: piece of stem from main sativa dried out..gonna make a sherlock pipe after I sand her down, and fill in/drill some holes.

[plastik]

it gets better...remember, only 3 weeks veg.

Pic 1: largest sativa in flower..probably half way through, give or take.
Pic 2: little bit of both of them
Pic 3: larger indica again
Pic 4: group shot, as you can see the one on the left was shaded the worst
Pic 5: shot of some of the sativa clones, decided to keep them close together.

[plastik]

Pic 1: large indica, kinda darker.
Pic 2: group shot, with some clones on the right
Pic 3: little indica top
Pic 4: big indica
Pic 5: little closer..kinda blurred.

[plastik]

well that about does it. need a new cam, its a pain to take these pics, had to take nearly 200 just to get some ok ones. different angles, different lighting, flash on and off, etc. I don't want to make any assumptions about yield yet..we'll see. just recently started to fill out a bit over the last week.

[plastik]

just did some height measurement, largest one is approx 30 inches tall. the second largest one is approx 26 inches tall, and the third one is approx 20 inches tall. So I guess the severe shading of the 2 smaller ones made a difference in height from 4-10 inches.

[Zandor]

no thanks to you ;)

so, will you please email me and tell me why I was wrongfully banned now?

I did not ban you; I had no part in that action.

It could be because you are running around pissing people off....maybe?

It could be because you think your shit don't stink?

Or it could just be that you are being an ass hole too.

I am not sure I did not ban you and I owe you nothing, nada, zero.

But I tell you if you keep trying to trash my name and spout crap again you and I will have problems.....guess who will win then?

My advice is for you to lose some of that anger and chill.

A moderator does not need to provide you with anything. There is a disclaimer on this site saying you can be banned for any reason or even no reason.

There is NO right for you to be here, what give you that idea? You pay nothing for the server or the bandwidth some would even call that a leach.

I am trying very hard to get along with you but you are making it impossible. I will not allow you to make a name for your self by trying to trash me. I bet I was growing and smoking when you were still eating shit out of your diaper. You have no proof and no evidence of your clam that yellow pest strips are the best way to rid spider mites from a garden. I am glad you think it worked for you and maybe it has but you have no right to talk down to me or spout your shit crap talk about other moderators either.
I have noticed in some of your posts that you are mostly full of shit and harmless for the most part. You just quote others work and try to pass it off as yours. That fine many people like you do. Sure you may have read a book maybe even 2 but you need to read more and do a shit load more research if you want to play with me and my friends.
You may have nubies thinking you are the best around but 80% of the rest of us know better.

You are on notice your attitude is not welcome or wanted. I noticed in that chat window that you egged on and goaded BB as much as he talked trash to you to as well. You are no saint either in my opinion. BTWâ?¦a moderators opinion is the only one that counts too if you have not figured that out yet.

Just chill out please and try to get alone with others.
Post with respect and treat others with some level of respect as well. Flaming is not allowed here so post with care. If you hang out here long enough you will improve the quality and your understanding of this plant in time. Your grow picture look fine but you can do better just chill out and we all can get along and learn together.

[plastik]

obviously I can do better. I do not have the resources at this time. (nor do I have the time to go through the complete cycle). everyone can obviously do better. It is based on my need, not the expectations of others.

And I am not regurgitating knowledge I haven't already experienced first hand for the most part. This is not my first grow, In case you didn't realize, and It is not even my second, nor third, nor tenth. For you to post like this outloud, just backups and justifies the real ones who have caused this problem. I don't think I am the best, NOR do I lead anyone to believe so.

And noobies worship me? I doubt that is true. Maybe they respect me, or just are thankful that I have given them information that helped them. And even though I do not regurgitate knowledge and play it off as my own..if someone ask's for knowledge someone else wrote, obviously the point of them writing that is so others can know, and be taught. I don't come here to make friends on purpose, or alliances. If I make a friend, so be it.
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"I noticed in that chat window that you egged on and goaded BB as much as he talked trash to you to as well."

I told him, if he does not wish to see what I say, there is an ignore button in chat. If he would simply use it, this matter would of never gotten this large, because he always has something to say no matter what it is I say. I am not the one striking the first blow, and when I try to defend myself, I am seen as the bad guy? The whole point of that message was to get him to use the ignore button. He refuses to do so. Someone not using that option has no right to complain about me.
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"You just quote others work and try to pass it off as yours."

please name where I have quoted others work, or used them WORD for WORD. I have not plagorized others work. If it is someone else's work, I will say 'I have Read...' and it will be in my own words.

Example: the article on girdling I wrote... of course I wasn't born with that knowledge. But I never ripped it off from anyone. Hell, I didn't even get that information from a cannabis related site. That information, in fact, came from bits and pieces of SEVERAL or more articles on the subject. And my own words were used in its entirety.

and my article on soma's fem seed method. that was pure speculation. I even listed it as that. If anything, It was a chance to get others to come in and explain to me in detail, and prove me wrong. I don't care if I am right or wrong, as long as I get the right answers. That is how you gain knowledge.

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"You have no proof and no evidence of your clam that yellow pest strips are the best way to rid spider mites from a garden."

dude, I have no clue what your talking about. I have never given any advice or even talked about spider mites with anyone. I can guarantee you that. I have never claimed such. In fact, I have never had to deal with spider mites, so my information on them is limited.
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"There is NO right for you to be here, what give you that idea? You pay nothing for the server or the bandwidth some would even call that a leach."

There is no right for anyone to be here, of course, it is a free community. I do not pay for the bandwidth..but to say some would call me a leech? A leech would be someone taking knowledge and not giving it to others.
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"I have noticed in some of your posts that you are mostly full of shit and harmless for the most part."

please name these posts where I am 'full of shit'. Of course they are harmless, I HAVE DONE NOTHING WRONG.
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"Sure you may have read a book maybe even 2 but you need to read more and do a shit load more research if you want to play with me and my friends."

I have never read nor purchased a cannabis book. All information I know, was either found out by experience or from reading internet articles on the subject. that is all.
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"But I tell you if you keep trying to trash my name and spout crap again you and I will have problems"

where have I trashed your name? where have I even spoke of you? I hope you are not referring to the post in my thread. That was made jokingly, and there was a winking smiley to lead you to that conclusion. I honestly wanted an answer to that though, whether you are required to provide that or not. Because I saw no reason. I am wrong for questioning why I was banned? that would be the same as wanting to know why I was imprisoned, and kept there for 20yrs and NEVER know why.
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"A moderator does not need to provide you with anything. There is a disclaimer on this site saying you can be banned for any reason or even no reason."

I understand that..but if people are allowed to ban who they want when they want for no reason, or no good reason.. then obviously that is malicious. that would be the same as someone killing you just for looking at them the wrong way. I think everyone would agree that a moderator should not be doing things like that, even if for personal reasons outside the realm of legitimacy. But obviously, like many people, no one cares until it happens to them.

If you see fit, please feel free to remove my account and ALL posts, including this thread. Since you do not need any reason to do so, there is nothing stopping you from doing it at any time. I would rather be banned than be apart of a corrupt unfair community, that may work for many if they don't say too much, defend themselves, or challenge others knowledge, however so suddle.

I would hope you notice and see that I have never asked for knowledge from anyone on any cannabis related subject (besides maybe seed strains)..I find it myself. I have only shared knowledge and experiences with others.

[plastik]

I have done some research on this 'yellow pest strip' thing you claim I got rid of spider mites with. And I have found who you have confused me with. Opie Yutts posted that.

the link: http://boards.cannabis.com/showthread.php?t=64107

I really don't know how you completely confused that post with me. I have included a screenshot of the post in case you can't find it on your own.

[plastik]

if anything you are trashing me...

"I bet I was growing and smoking before you were easting shit out of a diaper"

I have never said anything disrespectful to you or anyone. I have only been defending myself.

[plastik]

P.S. I am an old man, aged 44.

I guess too old, to waste my breath.

[tx.freak]

i thought mods just tryed to keep things clean ...not put down people ...as far as your grow styles ...your not the one that invented growing plants ...so if one guy says try this it worked for me, why put him down for info ...just cuz you didnt say it makes it wrong? ...im new here and i get along with everyone, never had a problem with plastik or bliss or anyone that i know of in the forum or chat ...now watch me get banned for my comments .....peace

SOME PEOPLE SHOULDNT HAVE POWER ...IT GOES TO THEIR HEAD

[plastik]

I think they think your one of the newbies they say worship me. go figure. But I agree, If someone says it worked, and you weren't there first hand, who are you to say it didn't? Atleast give people the benefit of no doubt. I don't think you'll get banned, no ones harassed you that their plants were bigger than yours yet :p

I know this one admin named *****, man is he such a cool head no matter what. its almost unreal with his professionalism and restraint. NEVER gets mad over petty stuff, people could do well learning from his example. I guess it is a pretty rare thing though these days. I agree also that alot of people put into power shouldn't have it. not speaking about anyone here, but just in general. I've seen plenty of people get their mod privs removed for abuse of power.. and mostly over petty personal stuff or because they thought they had a license to do whatever they please.

[Psycho4Bud]

plastik.........get a clue! Hopefully a lil' time off will help with your search for one.

Have a good one!:thumbsup:

[Zandor]

I have done some research on this 'yellow pest strip' thing you claim I got rid of spider mites with. And I have found who you have confused me with. Opie Yutts posted that.

the link: http://boards.cannabis.com/showthread.php?t=64107

I really don't know how you completely confused that post with me. I have included a screenshot of the post in case you can't find it on your own.

I will give you that I must have gotten you confused and I will apologies for that miss quote on my part.

[Opie Yutts]

I feel like I'm walking on egg shells here and it's pissing me off. I didn't fucking do anything. I am still waiting to be shown my exact instances of misbehaving. I gotta speak, regardless.

Plastic, I am right there with you man. I know exactly how you feel. I was trying to help some people, then all of a sudden a bunch of people started laying into me for no reason. I was like, "What the hell is going on here?" It seems like some people who shall remain nameless, were confusing me with some other people. I was getting accussed of saying all kinds of things I never said. I was being called a lier, an idiot, a moron, a ghetto grower, etc. I was a big trouble maker I guess, and as far as I know, I have been following the same rules about posting that I have been using for the past 20 years or more, and I have never been "put on notice" before. Kinda weird. All of a sudden people are using child-like tactics and put downs, I guess because they felt intimidated by me or something, and perhaps thought for the first time in their life, they stood a small chance of being proved wrong about some insignificant little thing. Who the fuck cares if you're wrong occasionally!?! It's going to happen whether you like it or not, so why the fuck act like such big babies when it happens?

Plastik, I'm there for you man. I've noticed we're not the first ones this happend to and I am sure that we won't be the last. Very unproffesional shit going on around here.

[Aaron385]

I hate to play devils advocate but you know how it goes. The F.N.G. will never get any respect! I too have disagreed with mods here (see the Catalytic heater for CO2 section) and I just let it go. I post all the evidence I have (i.e. a Telair CO2 ppm meter and that little glass tube CO2 analyzer kit both in unison showing results demonstrating that the little heater is adding massive CO2) but some people still say its not possible.

Ok, I guess thatâ??s their opinion. Some people will always refuse to think outside of the box. Come back in a couple years and they will be preaching the solutions they criticized you for (not a specific example.. just saying ppl in general).

I use to be a hot head too about it.. I was so confused why ppl refuse what I saw as obviously better solutions to things. You gotta learn to let that shit roll off.. make recommendations, if ppl listen then great.. if they donâ??t.. the price of the cash crop does not risk any deflation due to more ppl growing it right.

People also hate being told they are wrong.. human nature I guess. If you say â??you are doing it WRONGâ?�.. there is less chance I will actually listen then if you say â??that looks good.. maybe try thisâ?¦.â?�

It took me a long time to lose my hot headedness about that stuff and I still have an asshole card in my back pocket incase it ever gets really bad but for the most part I just make honest recommendations and support the people who consider the advice accordingly.

"I have been following the same rules about posting that I have been using for the past 20 years or more" - where was the internet 20 yrs ago? :)

[Opie Yutts]

Like I said before, I am not mad, just really confused and dissapointed. I know there are many differences of opinion and ways of doing things. I just don't understand how a moderator can get away with telling people theres no way something will work, when he has never researched it, tried it, or talked to someone who has tried it, and everyone who has tried it tells him he's wrong. Logic dictates that he is steering many people wrong by doing this, and it is compondend greatly by the fact that he is a moderator and people just assume he must really know his shit, so the other guy must be wrong - after all, the other guy is not a moderator. Then to make it worse, he basically tells people that this is the Socialists Republic of Weed Forums, and if you don't like what the goverment does, there's always the option of letting the government execute you for speaking about it.

Power corrupts and absolute power corrupts absolutly.

[Opie Yutts]

"I have been following the same rules about posting that I have been using for the past 20 years or more" - where was the internet 20 yrs ago? :)

Yeah, I know. I got to thinking about that right after I posted, and tried to do stoner math involving memory cells. Well it didn't really work. But anyway, let me rephrase: I have been posting since a couple of months after posting was invented, whenever that was. Well, that might not be true either because I bet some form of posting existed long before the internet or even computers. Well, I think you know what I'm trying to say.

[Opie Yutts]

tx.freak:
I agree with you and I love your avitar. I was thinking about changing mine to a picture of my stoner cat doing that. That is assuming I'll still have an account after talking outloud. Was that chipmunk really smoking like my cat does, or just kind of investigating the pipe?

[Aaron385]

If you grow plants that are worth thousands of dollars per lb and you take all of your growing advice from somebody named "Zandor" on some msg board you deserve the shitty yield you get. (No offense Z man.. i love ya I just had to name drop!)

Buy books, read them.. read everything with a CRITICAL EYE and make your own decesions. If you cant do that.. maybe you should stick to just smokin the ganja :)

Anyone in their right mind questions almost everything they are told. Its ok to be wrong.. Like I was mentioning earlier.. in my cat heater thread a bunch of ppl said things like "Only a blue flame will produce the desired CO²" yet when I read the box for the heater it said "CO2" and I tracked down some more info about it.. then I setup the experiment to prove my point.. collected data and now I confidently show evidence that it works!

But did anybody jump up and down about it? nope.. thread is dead and many ppl may have a very viable CO2 producer in their camping gear that will never even know.

Your on the right track though.. you find out stuff and then you tell other ppl instead of keepin it a secret. I used those pest strips and they worked. Just take it easy on the guys that do this stuff in their free time.. I'd challenge you to find better mods who are actually willing to build hydro setups and test stuff and answer dumbass questions year after year FOR FREE. I guess the moral of the story is that its no perfect world.. I (we) do thank you for your contributions.. just take it easy on the hate.. nothin's perfect but it is pretty good here.

[tx.freak]

the chipmonk was just checkin it out ...we had just lit the pipe when this shadow appeared from no where ...as we were trying to figure out if it was the weed or we just needed glasses cleaned off ..(we was out riding the harleys) the damn thing came over and was making sounds at us ...so i joking around put the pipe down to the chipmonk and he ran over to me and started checking it out...so i put a lighter down there and fired it up ...that sucker was gone like magic ...i wish i could have taken him home ...my boxer here at the house likes to smoke. *puffpuff pass Ozzy* damn dog!!!

[latewood]

I didn't see the Co2 cat heater , or whatever thread myself...

[tx.freak]

What im thinkin is that when plastik came back ...he was mad cuz he was wrongfully accused of something or blamed and when the bann was over he came back and spoke up about it and got banned again ...give him a break ...id be mad too and im sure theres others that would be mad over it. Why keep bannin him ...theres iggy button in chat and mods in forum. Has he posted something that is not allowed in this forum ...if its more then 2 lines long i dont read it ...i say ok and just get along with everyone ...so i didnt read the terms ...ack ...im might get banned! ....

[Opie Yutts]

I don't know anything about that situation with plastik, but if that's true, that's really messed up. I have noticed a great deal of communication problems here. It seems like people are just skimming and making up stuff to fill in the blanks, then getting mad about their own stuff they made up. It also seems like poeple tend to lump several guys into one guy, then yell at them all for stuff that the others did. I don't know, either that, or us peons get sent to the twilight zone occasionally.

Or maybe we are all smoking too much.

And please don't accuse me of hating any more. I don't do that. I keep trying to tell you I'm not even mad. I got a little pissed off in the beggining when people started calling me a lier. I don't lie unless it's absolutely necessary, and that's pretty rare.

Lovin,... That's what I got.