Accidentally recognized my plane, what do I do now?

[poorprincess]

so I was listening to tool and my boyfriend was talking to me about astral projection and meditation. I wasn't really all that interested because I've got so much other stuff to be thinking about that I didn't think I really had the time to be leaving my body. But I decided to meditate.

At first I tried remembering the feeling of being detached from myself, as if my body was just a shell for me, something I'm a part of but in a sense trapped in. As I cleared my mind and focused more on that feeling, I started to see things as if I wasn't really a part of any of it, including my body. And I noticed all of the sudden that my body was just a part of everything else.

Then I remembered a concept my bf had introduced to me that men were just energy that fell in love with nature and so became a part of it.

When I try to recreate the feeling it comes to me easily and it's not difficult to hold on to. I thaught that was odd because the people around me who have been trying to do it have said that it was hard for them. I didn't really have any interest in astral projection before I accidentally realized that I could.

Should I persue it further even though I had no real interest in it before? If so, whats the next step?

[willystylle]

Next steps:

1. Roll a joint.
2. Light it up.
3. Smoke it.

[beachguy in thongs]

so I was listening to tool and my boyfriend was talking to me about astral projection

Ugh!!! Stop, right there! I can't go on...
Blah, Blah, Blah.
Ok, only kidding.

and meditation. I wasn't really all that interested because I've got so much other stuff to be thinking about Ok, go on.
that I didn't think I really had the time to be leaving my body. Hmmm, I see...
But I decided to meditate. :o


At first I tried remembering the feeling of being detached from myself, as if my body was just a shell for me, something I'm a part of but in a sense trapped in. As I cleared my mind and focused more on that feeling, I started to see things as if I wasn't really a part of any of it, including my body. And I noticed all of the sudden that my body was just a part of everything else.

Then I remembered a concept my bf had introduced to me that men were just energy that fell in love with nature and so became a part of it.

When I try to recreate the feeling it comes to me easily and it's not difficult to hold on to. I thaught that was odd because the people around me who have been trying to do it have said that it was hard for them. I didn't really have any interest in astral projection before I accidentally realized that I could.

Should I persue it further even though I had no real interest in it before? If so, whats the next step?

Good luck. :smokin:

[poorprincess]

Next steps:

1. Roll a joint.
2. Light it up.
3. Smoke it.

no see I did that before hand! Thanks for the helpfull advice though.

[poorprincess]

Ugh!!! Stop, right there! I can't go on...
Blah, Blah, Blah.
Ok, only kidding.
Ok, go on. Hmmm, I see... :o


Good luck. :smokin:

So you dont know anything about astral projection, meditation, or spiritual things that could be helpfull to me then? Ok. Thanks for the good luck.

[poorprincess]

this is the spirituality forum right? people ARE supposed to ask these questions here?

[420RoundTheClock]

I could see astral projection as being a real mind-fuck like shit if you knew there was something else besides what you've known to be true all your life and then suddenly its gone, that would mess alot of ppl up.

[beachguy in thongs]

So you dont know anything about astral projection, meditation, or spiritual things that could be helpfull to me then? Ok. Thanks for the good luck.
Yes, I know how to meditate, astral projection is a psychic technique (I've had an out-of-body experience), relax your whole face by trying to squeeze it into your nose, and, then, releasing, maybe try some Pilates, they're a good source of relaxation and they tone your muscles, making you feel taller.

[poorprincess]

Yes, I know how to meditate, astral projection is a psychic technique (I've had an out-of-body experience), relax your whole face by trying to squeeze it into your nose, and, then, releasing, maybe try some Pilates, they're a good source of relaxation and they tone your muscles, making you feel taller.

Been doing pilates for a while now. It does make me feel taller.

[beachguy in thongs]

Lol. That's what Mari Windsor says after her workouts. "You should feel taller, leaner, etc."

[notrightquite]

I've heard of that happening easily for people with Tool's music lately ... interesting, quite.

[PureEvil760]

Theres no real "pursueing" its a gift you have access to at all times your entire life using it is extreamly simple. You can do it every night when you go to sleep. I would suggest taking it very seriously, maybe you will be able to see through the fog a little bit better. Just remember the astral plane consists of heaven, hell and everything inbetween.

[The Taquito Bandito]

Theres no real "pursueing" its a gift you have access to at all times your entire life using it is extreamly simple. You can do it every night when you go to sleep. I would suggest taking it very seriously, maybe you will be able to see through the fog a little bit better. Just remember the astral plane consists of heaven, hell and everything inbetween.

What does the astral plane have to do with heaven and hell?

[PureEvil760]

Heaven and hell are man made creations which have nothing to do with reality. They exist on the astral plane due to thought processes of humans. With astral projection you can travel to these places, though I wouldnt recommend going to hell. I hear it feels like your stuck in mud and I'm guessing there is alot of negative entities there.

[Euphoric]

http://www.astralvoyage.com/

http://www.astralpulse.com/

http://www.astralprojection.ws/

http://www.wicca.com/celtic/astral/astral1.htm

Astral projection is the ability to leave your body. Everyone leaves their body at night, but before they do leave, they have to put the physical mind to sleep. Most people don't remember this, but when the physical mind is asleep, the subconscious takes over, and this is usually when you do your astral projection. In other words, everybody does it, but they just don't remember doing it.

[psychopixi]

Apparently if you have dreams which feel like you're flying it's a sign of astral travel, and if you dream of falling it's your astral form returning to your body. Work on it. Could get a lot more interesting.

[The Taquito Bandito]

Heaven and hell are man made creations which have nothing to do with reality. They exist on the astral plane due to thought processes of humans. With astral projection you can travel to these places, though I wouldnt recommend going to hell. I hear it feels like your stuck in mud and I'm guessing there is alot of negative entities there.

Does that apply to everyone? What if I'm a non-believer of heaven and hell?

Thanks for the links, Euphoric. I'll check them out. :dance:

[braddog10]

this is the spirituality forum right? people ARE supposed to ask these questions here?

I have found this fascinating tho I don't know exactly how I feel about it, since I'm not sure about some involved. But, that could be my own programing.

Not at all intending to minimize your own journey, or to push any of my views......My question ~ I have heard that some have seen a silver looking cord. that attaches them all the way back to their body. I am also aware of a passage in the last chapter of Ecclesiastes. That says "remember Him before the silver cord is severed, before the bowl is broken at the well". apparently poetic language, to refer to our parting this earthly realm.

....just wondering if anyone has seen this or read about it in any of their literature.

[harmonicminor]

Apparently if you have dreams which feel like you're flying it's a sign of astral travel, and if you dream of falling it's your astral form returning to your body. Work on it. Could get a lot more interesting.
you got it right sorta......
however during true astral travel you are aware of what is happening and can therefore controll it.
I have been doing OOB since I was little and have learned some good methods. I have done it hundreds of times and the my favorite way of doing it involves your mind staying awake the whole time while your body falls asleep.
to do this wake up early in the morning say 3am
get a cup of coffee or eat a candy bar "this will supply the brain with sugars needed to achieve certain brainwave states
lay back donw in bed
let your whole body relax
keep relaxing more and more
let your body sink into the bed by relaxing more
pretty soon you may notice a vibration on your body that feels like when your foot falls asleep
relax deeper the vibration becomes almost unbearable and wierd
relax
bammm try to stand up
at first it is hard to tell that you left your body because you are accustomed to having a body and thats not the true soul form however....
for now you will have one and when you get up out of your physical body you will still be in body form
get up and look around and you may notice some things in your room are out of place
look down at your sleeping body
from here there are infinite things to do
for example I like to go outside "through walls" and fly around
this is much better than your average "flying dream" because you are in controll

[willystylle]

Okay I think I understand your question now. You're asking if its SAFE to astral-project?

The spirit shares a strong connection with the body, and this connection is only broken when either the spririt or the body dies. Continue to astral project, but make sure that your mind, body and spirit are all safe. Continue to explore the 2nd plane, and eventually your spirit will be strong enough to visit the 3rd and 4th planes.

Beware of other spirits and demons - they will attack you if they see you are not prepared. And beware the body - make sure that is safe too. Be prepared to be afraid, excited, anxious and happy. Have control over your mind and your emotions, and the astral planes will be yours.

[poorprincess]

I've heard of that happening easily for people with Tool's music lately ... interesting, quite.

exactly

[poorprincess]

Theres no real "pursueing" its a gift you have access to at all times your entire life using it is extreamly simple. You can do it every night when you go to sleep. I would suggest taking it very seriously, maybe you will be able to see through the fog a little bit better. Just remember the astral plane consists of heaven, hell and everything inbetween.

I had assumed that heaven and hell were something that could only be reached after death, and that there were many astral planes other than them.

[poorprincess]

http://www.astralvoyage.com/

http://www.astralpulse.com/

http://www.astralprojection.ws/

http://www.wicca.com/celtic/astral/astral1.htm

Astral projection is the ability to leave your body. Everyone leaves their body at night, but before they do leave, they have to put the physical mind to sleep. Most people don't remember this, but when the physical mind is asleep, the subconscious takes over, and this is usually when you do your astral projection. In other words, everybody does it, but they just don't remember doing it.

thank you much for the links

[Lethal G]

You know, I've been interested in astral projection and meditation for a long time as well. I've never succeeded at it no matter what techniques I use lol. However, once I started smoking cannabis, I did have one random OBE, where I went nowhere and just held onto my body and pulled myself back in quickly. Also, I did post a guide to meditation with cannabis in these forums not too long ago. You should check it out if interested. (http://boards.cannabis.com/showthread.php?t=68743)

[braddog10]

Okay I think I understand your question now. You're asking if its SAFE to astral-project?

The spirit shares a strong connection with the body, and this connection is only broken when either the spirit or the body dies. Continue to astral project, but make sure that your mind, body and spirit are all safe. Continue to explore the 2nd plane, and eventually your spirit will be strong enough to visit the 3rd and 4th planes.

Beware of other spirits and demons - they will attack you if they see you are not prepared. And beware the body - make sure that is safe too. Be prepared to be afraid, excited, anxious and happy. Have control over your mind and your emotions, and the astral planes will be yours.

Willy, It's remarkable, this world, of which you are so familiar. Alot of this blows my mind, Its as foreign to me as I must be to many here.......... just to inquire, this is not my thread, I want to respect it. I don't understand what you mean by keeping the body, mind, and spirit safe.
Actually, I guess I do, I don't understand how it would be done. Evil forces...To see some of these things would tweak me quite a bit. I'm familiar with dark spiritual beings having been harassed by them during a time when I was working, in a spiritual capacity, with a demon possessed individual, I had demonic visions, I could sense them when they came into the room. I had to sleep with a light on, at 25 yrs old.
They hate me, and I hate them.

It seems that some people have some "gift" spiritually, regardless of their spiritual world view. Some on the Christian side of the fence, have gone out of their body, and reported conversations with various people, seeing events, Rick Joyner claimed that he talked with Jesus at length. Christian prophets,.... Prophets otherwise, both wired for this type of op.

What are these planes 2nd 3rd 4th. I looked at Euphorics links, may have missed it.

Thanks

[PureEvil760]

Does that apply to everyone? What if I'm a non-believer of heaven and hell?

Thanks for the links, Euphoric. I'll check them out. :dance:

They still are there on the astral plane. It's like saying I dont believe in apples. They are fake so it doesnt really matter if you believe in them or not.

[Lethal G]

I think mysticweb.org has a free 9 week course in Astral Projection, if anyone is interested or dedicated enough. I took the course once but didn't dedicate myself to it. However, it does seem to give some good info and techniques to try.

[harmonicminor]

I will post some other methods that I use later. I gotta leave in a few lol
but dont expect to be able to do it without putting in the effort.

[poorprincess]

They still are there on the astral plane. It's like saying I dont believe in apples. They are fake so it doesnt really matter if you believe in them or not.

^^
CrACK!

Apples arent fake!

So your saying that heaven, hell and apples are all accessable through astral projection?

[poorprincess]

Does anyone else think that Tool is TRYING to get us out of our bodies?

[Peach.Optimo.Bluntz]

Next steps:

1. Roll a joint.
2. Light it up.
3. Smoke it.

And now try it.

[harmonicminor]

ok here goes......
theres a method that involves waking yourself from a dream state and realizing you are dreaming. the knowing you are dreaming or in astral form is key and without it you arent truly astral travelling. and no pot doesnt help in the least.
this method is a form of self hypnosis combined with a dream hook to help you
every night before you go to bed look at your hands and tell yourself that if you look at your hands in your dream then you will know you are dreaming
once you know you are dreaming you will have a spontaneous awakening and then be astral and be able to controll it
this method takes about 2 or 3 months of telling yourself every night
it will program you to do it
I am sure you can program yourself to do it every single night also
maybe change the words to something like " if I look at my hands in my dream I will realize I am dreaming and once I do realize I am dreaming I can do that in every dream from then on out"
but yeah do this EVERY night and be positive about it
be persistent and you WILL succeed

[Lethal G]

ok here goes......
theres a method that involves waking yourself from a dream state and realizing you are dreaming. the knowing you are dreaming or in astral form is key and without it you arent truly astral travelling. and no pot doesnt help in the least.
this method is a form of self hypnosis combined with a dream hook to help you
every night before you go to bed look at your hands and tell yourself that if you look at your hands in your dream then you will know you are dreaming
once you know you are dreaming you will have a spontaneous awakening and then be astral and be able to controll it
this method takes about 2 or 3 months of telling yourself every night
it will program you to do it
I am sure you can program yourself to do it every single night also
maybe change the words to something like " if I look at my hands in my dream I will realize I am dreaming and once I do realize I am dreaming I can do that in every dream from then on out"
but yeah do this EVERY night and be positive about it
be persistent and you WILL succeed

That's about one of the most easiest techniques I've heard of. I'll be sure to give it a try. :) thanks

[OzzyOz]

Okay I think I understand your question now. You're asking if its SAFE to astral-project?

The spirit shares a strong connection with the body, and this connection is only broken when either the spririt or the body dies. Continue to astral project, but make sure that your mind, body and spirit are all safe. Continue to explore the 2nd plane, and eventually your spirit will be strong enough to visit the 3rd and 4th planes.

Beware of other spirits and demons - they will attack you if they see you are not prepared. And beware the body - make sure that is safe too. Be prepared to be afraid, excited, anxious and happy. Have control over your mind and your emotions, and the astral planes will be yours.

BITCH
you put my quote in your profile
I keel you!!!!
lol

i'm gonna try astral projection in a second
do i close my eyes? Or keep them open?

[d00d989]

whatever you do, dont buy the "ultimate chunky" peanut butter

[Peach.Optimo.Bluntz]

lmao, but i like chunky peanut butter.

[poorprincess]

Chunky peanut butter is good.

I've heard of that looking at your hands technique. My bf calls that a "reality check". I'll start doing that but I dont dream as often as I used too.

I actually have an easier time feeling my astral self/channeling energy et cetera with my eyes open. I actually felt it for the first time after I'd been looking at the frame of a television for a while. Seeing my body in my peripheral vision, helps me detach.

I dont know whether pot helps or not but I bet it's different for everyone. I think drinking and smoking at the same time gave me an interesting perspective.

I still think I probably wont see any apples on any astral planes but you never know.

[harmonicminor]

princess,
by using that method it will make you dream by programming your subconcious. and then you may awaken from the dream state with help from the dream hook.
also another thing to help you dream.....
Salvia Divinorum brings me long and vivid dreams for 2 weeks straight after smoking just a little. Not even enough to feel anything but it still makes me dream. Also I have some Silene Capensis growing and I eat a little piece of leaf every now and then. also Mint tea has chemicals related to Salvinorin and that too helps bring dreams. Dream herb doesnt seem to work nor does mugwort or Entada Rheedi.

[harmonicminor]

heres a different method also
this one works by weakening the bridge between the concious and subconcious mind
every day you will sleep for 4 hours then get up for 4 hours, sleep 4 hours, get up 4 hours, sleep, get up, sleep , get up.
so just alternate sleep patterns at short intervals
I got that method from a Jane Roberts "Seth" book
it will work in a shorter time than the other method
maybe try it over a weekend lol

[FunkyMonkey]

so I was listening to tool and my boyfriend was talking to me about astral projection and meditation. I wasn't really all that interested because I've got so much other stuff to be thinking about that I didn't think I really had the time to be leaving my body. But I decided to meditate.

At first I tried remembering the feeling of being detached from myself, as if my body was just a shell for me, something I'm a part of but in a sense trapped in. As I cleared my mind and focused more on that feeling, I started to see things as if I wasn't really a part of any of it, including my body. And I noticed all of the sudden that my body was just a part of everything else.

Then I remembered a concept my bf had introduced to me that men were just energy that fell in love with nature and so became a part of it.

When I try to recreate the feeling it comes to me easily and it's not difficult to hold on to. I thaught that was odd because the people around me who have been trying to do it have said that it was hard for them. I didn't really have any interest in astral projection before I accidentally realized that I could.

Should I persue it further even though I had no real interest in it before? If so, whats the next step?


Hi. I would say straight off that it doesnt matter if you were interested in it before or not. It is now that matters. If you are interested in it now then by all means dedicate time and energy to it. If youre only half asses into it then your results will reflect it.
The energy you put into it directly influences your success and how deeply you can journey into the worlds on the other side of the veil as well as travel about this one.
If you are looking to just have fun, by all means do it. I am willing to bet it will lead into something much much more. It leads to a different perception of life and the place you hold within its web. It will elevate you to a new level of awareness and often will trigger you to accept other gifts you have. It will undoubtedly remove the misconception that the physical is reality.
When you can journey as a soul with a fully aware consciousness you will reap rewards and be enriched by experiences you will never find on the physical plane. Man I could tell some stories!
So to sum it up " GO FOR IT!"
Id be happy to guide you if you need it.
I will also recommend a book I have often mentioned here called simply
"Adventures Beyond the body" by William Buhlman.
It is a plain english , matter of fact book to introduce you to techniques to sharpen your skills and journey with ease and confidance. Its a great book.

[poorprincess]

Hi. I would say straight off that it doesnt matter if you were interested in it before or not. It is now that matters. If you are interested in it now then by all means dedicate time and energy to it. If youre only half asses into it then your results will reflect it.
The energy you put into it directly influences your success and how deeply you can journey into the worlds on the other side of the veil as well as travel about this one.
If you are looking to just have fun, by all means do it. I am willing to bet it will lead into something much much more. It leads to a different perception of life and the place you hold within its web. It will elevate you to a new level of awareness and often will trigger you to accept other gifts you have. It will undoubtedly remove the misconception that the physical is reality.
When you can journey as a soul with a fully aware consciousness you will reap rewards and be enriched by experiences you will never find on the physical plane. Man I could tell some stories!
So to sum it up " GO FOR IT!"
Id be happy to guide you if you need it.
I will also recommend a book I have often mentioned here called simply
"Adventures Beyond the body" by William Buhlman.
It is a plain english , matter of fact book to introduce you to techniques to sharpen your skills and journey with ease and confidance. Its a great book.

Thanks! I'll go on over to the library later and see if they have a copy of "Adventures Beyond the body" by William Buhlman. I've been looking for a good book about this and so far I've found lots of "duds".
My sincerest thanks!

[poorprincess]

heres a different method also
this one works by weakening the bridge between the concious and subconcious mind
every day you will sleep for 4 hours then get up for 4 hours, sleep 4 hours, get up 4 hours, sleep, get up, sleep , get up.
so just alternate sleep patterns at short intervals
I got that method from a Jane Roberts "Seth" book
it will work in a shorter time than the other method
maybe try it over a weekend lol
I would love to try this. When I was younger I did several sleep depravation experiments during the summer when I didn't have school. Right now however it's just not an option, I live on my little ones schedule. Next time she's with her daddy for the weekend I'll give it a shot.

thanks for all your good advice!

[harmonicminor]

When you can journey as a soul with a fully aware consciousness you will reap rewards and be enriched by experiences you will never find on the physical plane. Man I could tell some stories!


good advice and I know exactly what you are talking about :-). The first method I posted where you let your body fall asleep while staying awake, I find is the one where my concious is the most alert and in controll. It is from this that I have controlled both my soul and my physical body at once. Boy is that a wierd but possible thing to do. hehe

Princess,
Good luck and I hope that method bring results for you. also kinda like funky monkey said "ya gotta practice and dedicate a part of each day in self hypnosis to program your mind" you get out what you put in
and one more thing ....
you CAN do it :thumbsup:

[TMBGoofball]

Personally, I think Tool is composed of pretentious pricks, or at least one named Maynard James Keenan. No idea what he's trying to get you to do other than pay utmost attention as the band plays the same riff over and over while changing ONE note of it. Fascinating!

I'm rather skeptical of this whole astral projection thing. But then again, being a solipsist, I would be. I'm curious as to why souls would be put in bodies if that's not their true form, though.

[poorprincess]

I love haters.

I love you!

[FunkyMonkey]

good advice and I know exactly what you are talking about :-). The first method I posted where you let your body fall asleep while staying awake, I find is the one where my concious is the most alert and in controll. It is from this that I have controlled both my soul and my physical body at once. Boy is that a wierd but possible thing to do. hehe



I found that roaming about this plane as soul opened my eyes to the countless questions regarding time/space/matter that I couldnt quite articulate before. It gave me a solid ground from which to challenge my percertions of physical reality.
I do have some difficulty though in rising this way. The vibrations are much more intense than from a sleep state and sometimes are so intense that I am uncomfortable enough to lose focus.

I almost exclusively begin from a sleep or deep meditative state because for me it provides easier access to other 'planes' than the physical we are accustomed to in waking life. This is where I journey most.




peace.

[Dirk Gently]

Apparently if you have dreams which feel like you're flying it's a sign of astral travel, and if you dream of falling it's your astral form returning to your body. Work on it. Could get a lot more interesting.

haha, nope. the falling dreams where you wake up suddenly are usually muscles relaxing, and thus you have the feeling of floating, because your muscles are not tensed, they're in a state similar to how they would be when you fall

[FunkyMonkey]

haha, nope. the falling dreams where you wake up suddenly are usually muscles relaxing, and thus you have the feeling of floating, because your muscles are not tensed, they're in a state similar to how they would be when you fall

Obviously our views on this differ greatly.
Your views come from your perception of reality and mine/ours come from our experiences outside of that narrow perception.
I enjoy discussing these things since they are deeply rooted in my soul.
I have learned and experienced a great many things that have brought me to where I stand now.
I encourage you to share your views and to tell us how you know this to be truth.
However, I discourage the mocking and condescending tone demonstrated in your recent post and hope that any further comments will be more respectful to the views and spiritual beliefs of others.
There is no need to include rudeness in your opinions.
Lets learn from each other and expand each others awareness and understanding.

peace.

[Binzhoubum]

I don't want to get banned or anything...

BUT...astral projection is a load of shit...

Peace. :smokin:

Buddhists don't meditate like that...it's not about closing your eyes and pretending about some bogus adventure...it's about blocking everything out and JUST EXISTING...or TAKING EVERYTHING IN and becoming one...

Maybe.

:stoned:

[Binzhoubum]

I meant that last post in the most friendly and warm-hearted of fashions, by the way.

I think everyone should pursue what they feel to be true, irregardless of scienitfic basis OR not.

I love you all.

Smoke one with me, please......... :smokin: ... :smokin: ... :stoned:

[harmonicminor]

I found that roaming about this plane as soul opened my eyes to the countless questions regarding time/space/matter that I couldnt quite articulate before. It gave me a solid ground from which to challenge my percertions of physical reality.
I do have some difficulty though in rising this way. The vibrations are much more intense than from a sleep state and sometimes are so intense that I am uncomfortable enough to lose focus.

I almost exclusively begin from a sleep or deep meditative state because for me it provides easier access to other 'planes' than the physical we are accustomed to in waking life. This is where I journey most.




peace.

yes the vibrations when your body falls asleep are very wierd feeling. It is like when your leg falls asleep but over your whole body. One trick I have found to overcome believe it or not is relaxing more when this happens. It temporarily makes the vibrations even more intense though but once you get past a certain point you will find that you are now out of your body and you were aware of the whole proccess and therefore you are more more alert and in controll.
and Binzhoubum,
sure bro it just could be a load of shit to you because that is your reality and belief that you cannot do it therefore you never will. Maybe someday you will have a near death experience and it will therefore be forced upon you whether you believe in it or not.
also I wouldnt consider my methods "meditation"
totally different things man

[TMBGoofball]

it just could be a load of shit to you because that is your reality and belief that you cannot do it therefore you never will.

It's also possible that the "astral plane" is fabricated by people's minds, but again, since it's part of your reality and beliefs, you'll never accept that.

I can't claim to know one way or the other; just pointing out the necessary counterpart to what you said about beliefs.

[FunkyMonkey]

Harmonicminor: I usually end up relaxing into a sleep state before the vibrational change has completed. But man, what an intense feeling.
There is nothing that compares to it in my experience.
I found that I could handle the vibration longer if I did some energy work on my head prior to the experience.
I form a ball of energy in my hands and use it to 'cleanse' my mind and relax the conscious part. I open myself to the energies to flow freely. It helps.


A couple of you have made statements doubting the reality of astral projection and OBE.
When i was first learning how to control the experiences that I have always had I admit that I had some thoughts that it was all within my mind.
I have always had shared experiences with family but the human mind sometimes needs repeated proof to believe what the soul already knows.
The mind easily forgets that it was already convinced. Strange how that works.

Anyhow, a friend and I decided to try an experiment. He would project from his home while I would project from mine. We expected it may take some practice and decided to each keep a journal.
We would each write our experiences in as much detail as possible and share it at the end of the week.
Well after the first night I had pages filled with intricate detail of my experiences, both with him and without him.
Apparently so did he , so we agreed to meet right away.
He walked into my home and we exchanged journals and I was abso-fucking-lutely blown away!
Our experiences were exactly alike. We each had our own feelings and perceptions but the structure and details were all the same.
We did this for quite some time. Each time we returned to the same place and explored. We would meet at what I have come to believe is a meeting place for travellers like us. We each met some people there and shared conversations. We would go our own ways and meet up again and share details of where we had been. We wrote our experiences down in extensive detail and were amazed when each time the details matched.
I met some people there that I came to meet later in waking life. ( my wife and her exhusband included )
I have since done this with other friends but those initial experiences stick with me still today. Like I said I met my wife this way. It is strange even to me but we fell in love a year before we met physically.
Hehe wrap your skepticism around that one!

Anyway, my point is that I was once where you are now. I doubted. At one point I even 'knew' it was impossible to project yourself beyond your body but my experiences have taught me otherwise.
I am a different man today because I had the faith to at least try to learn.
Through that I opened a door that changed my life forever.
My perceptions of everything are different now. It was like the world changed and I changed with it overnight.

So, please jsut listen to what we have to say without closing your minds completely. You might learn something that opens doors for you. In the very least you can learn what other people believe and we can learn what your beliefs are. Nothing negative in that.

But I do ask that you kindly keep some respect in your statements.
This isnt disneyland to me, it is my belief system. It is my reality.
It is sacred to me.
Ask us questions to further your understanding.
Dont just tell us its bullshit and we are crazy because you will miss an opportunity to expand your awareness and learn a little. So will we.


peace.

[harmonicminor]

very true funky :-)
next time you do that method just try it my way and you will see. let yourself relax and just sink into your bed more and more and more.

binz....
heres what to me validates it completely.....
being aware the whole time my body falls asleep and finding myself out of my body. while out I have full controll and I do indeed know my body is sleeping. when I do this I can go and put my hands through solid objects and feel the vibrations of it. I can fly through the air at will and even completely change my surroundings. I can visit the akashic records or travel through time.
but tell me this.......
how do you know your whole reality isnt just bullshit and fake.......
it could be completely constructed of thought itself

goofball.....
my sentence that you quoted, what I mean by that is....
in most cases you have to believe completely before you are able to do it.
and you also must be able to mentally handle it
in the other cases that it happens to people who dont even know what astral travel is it will happen through a near death experience most of the time. other times it has been known to happen out of the blue to people that didnt know what was going on at all but just found themselves floating above thier sleeping bodies.

[PureEvil760]

Just make sure your are indeed projecting before you jump out the window.

[FunkyMonkey]

Just make sure your are indeed projecting before you jump out the window.

hehe That gave me a good chuckle pureevil.

Harmonicminor ( and anyone else following )
Well, last night I tried that technique and found myself repeating results I usually get. Once the vibrations hit my head it was very intense and gave me a little startle. Just enough to reduce the vibrations a bit.
Something about trying to remain awake despite my natural tendancy to drift to a different level of consciousness keeps me from total relaxation.
I feel as though I am fighting myself on some level.
I suspect that in trying to resist the change of consciousness I am requiring more energies to adjust the vibrational frequency and that is why it feels so intense.
I have a lot of programs and processes running in the background that distract me lately. Not puttin that computer on stand-by prior to the shift is a challenge.
Ill keep at it. I dont expect immediate success when trying something a bit different.


peace.

[harmonicminor]

a little bit of sugar will help you achieve the brainwaves needed Funky. I know exactly what you mean though. The hardest part is not drifting off in REM state during this. Or hypnogogic imagery state.
and yes it is a fight on a certain level also.......
you have to overcome this by always telling yourself that you CAN do it. sometimes you may get the sensation that you cant move also right when you pop out of your body.
a daily ritual of self hypnosis telling yourself that you can do it will program your subconcious and help you.

[dopesmoker]

this astral projection stuff sounds abit like lucid dreaming.

[RedRainDrop]

I've been controlling my dreams ever since i remember, im very confortable in the dream world, and realize im dreaming almost ALWAYS...

I have some awesome adventures, in my mind.... i also love getting stoned, then going to dream world.... much more fun!

[ate]

I hate the vibration feelings...it's too wierd, it makes me feel like my body is rotating very very quickly.

[187]

amazing

[LordSmaug]

Who cares? it's no where near anything important.