JESUS IS THE WAY ,THE TRUTH, THE LIFE

[xsw2]

APART FROM HIM YOU CAN DO NOTHING

[Mr. Ganja]

Religion should be banned. The human race will go into its next stage of development once religion is gone.

[graymatter]

APART FROM HIM YOU CAN DO NOTHING

Hmmmm... where does that leave?

Islamists
Hindus
Buddhists
Neo Pagans
Rastfarians

[willystylle]

Religion is historically known to be a form of suppression of the poor people by the church. In the older days the roman catholic church had influence throughout the world. In modern times it is an internationally organised franchise business. God is not free anymore, gentlemen.

And yes I do feel sorry for the poor 40% of the world who are NOT christian. Too bad they gotta burn in hell for all eternity just cause their God uses a different name....







MHO - God is an imaginary friend for grown-ups.

[mrdevious]

Hmmmm... where does that leave?

Islamists
Hindus
Buddhists
Neo Pagans
Rastfarians

Oh we just sit deflated on our couch smoking marijuana ;) .

But guys, come one, stop indulging this asshole by responding to his threads. We all know he doesn't hope to accomplish anything other than getting people to start arguing.

[Mark Bryan]

Religion should be banned. The human race will go into its next stage of development once religion is gone.
Sorry,I disagree. Although each religion has it's share of oppression,the Christian religion had MANY denominations. The main ones that were oppressive were NOT true christians,but CRUSADERS and Catholics of Roman Pagan origin. Remember the Council of Nicea and Constantine? TRUE christianity can be found here. www.christiansforcannabis.com So basically both Ganja man and xsw2 have a point. Hope this clears things up on both sides.

[graymatter]

Oh we just sit deflated on our couch smoking marijuana ;) .

But guys, come one, stop indulging this asshole by responding to his threads. We all know he doesn't hope to accomplish anything other than getting people to start arguing.

Good point... :thumbsup:

[hahaitsdoogle]

In my honest opinion,

The scientific explanation of the becomming of the world starting with primordial soup shit and, the fusing of a single cell to create blah blah blah



When i was learning it it was much more understanding than,

He did it all in 7 days.

[beachguy in thongs]

He did it all in 7 days.
Six.

[Solistus]

What I never got is, if God is omnipotent, shouldn't Creation have been instant? If it took him 6 days to make the Universe, how do you know it's perfect? Maybe He rushed things a bit because he wanted a day off.

[beachguy in thongs]

But, Jesus, myth or no myth, is "the way, the truth, the life". If the Earth was full of Jesus', there would be perfect peace.

[PureEvil760]

He reminds me of the blind priest in Little Nicky.

[Solistus]

Actually, Jesus wasn't always so peaceful.



"Do not think that I came to bring peace on the earth; I did not come to bring peace, but a sword. For I came to set a man against his father, and a daughter against her mother, and a daughter-in-law against her mother-in-law; and a manâ??s enemies will be the members of his household." (Matthew 10:34-36 NASB)

[mrdevious]

I can't say whether or not that quote from Jesus is true, but it sounds mighty suspicious to me. There are a lot of fake "bible" quotes on the internet, and that one seems a little extreme in its wording compared to the other things he said.

[braddog10]

Religion is historically known to be a form of suppression of the poor people by the church. In the older days the roman catholic church had influence throughout the world. In modern times it is an internationally organised franchise business. God is not free anymore, gentlemen.

And yes I do feel sorry for the poor 40% of the world who are NOT christian. Too bad they gotta burn in hell for all eternity just cause their God uses a different name....

MHO - God is an imaginary friend for grown-ups.

Willy, In alot of ways you are not that far off.(in my view) suppression of the poor happened..............influence thru world............organised franchise bus, which you phrased well. I call it "Christian Industry" What you are observing is "Mans" organised religion.....Big, Big difference between that and what many enjoy as a simple walk w/ God

Look at things today, Sure there are Christians that are very visible especially In politics, typically where things get more inflamed. Maybe some of the them have a healthy walk with God, others may prefer the ideology. Regardless there are many caring, people that bear His name that would not want ill on anyone, to force theirs laws etc..

Things haven't changed, in some ways as Willy mentioned, however the degrees of which has greatly. But, religion is just that, and only accessible from the surface, and goes no deeper. Relationship With God is a different level altogether.

In a religious setting, Willy - you are truly remarkable, God is not Free........... Man always charges a fee.

As the way the truth and the Life. ...............He says come to me all that are dragged down, exhausted, and carrying heavy loads, I will give you rest.

Lets look at the oposite extreme, Christian Martars
There are a hugh number of christians martars, even within our own life time.
Foxes, book of martars shocked me with mny facts, the total number of martars prior to the last couple hundred of years, is very small in comparison, If we were to observe what most christians in other contries have to fear and put up with, and have suffered. Public sympathys are totally different. The church in China, didn't grow until the Gov. threw out the missionarys and pursecuted the Church , Look at India, Korea, Islamic controled contries.

I don't hate moslems, It was a Nth Africa missions Missionaried that married my wife and I, before, Greg Livingston left to form Frontiers, in California, in the early 80's. To listen to these guys explain the persecution, of their missionarys, The transporting of some - out of their captivity(by God), Others looseing Family members being shot repeatedly with arrows. One man on the coast of India, was captured and tied to a tree. The men left to find the village skinner. Where they would then afterwards - throw the man in to the sea,...........hard to imagine.

Aboy came along, and untied the man. He was freed. The healthy tree he had been tied to, died and blew over within a week. That man now after suffering much, losing fingers, constant fear, is regarded a Holy Man, and know enjoys freedom to do what he loves. Being a missionary to his own people.

I learned this from Brandon Darnell, when he was still station mgr. at KVTT in Dallas, This was one individual of many he met while in India, w/ K.P. Yohannan founder of Gospell for Asia. I've seen alot.

God loves the Hindus,and Moslems, etc. and desires that we all come to Him. Thru His son. I didn't set it up. But, I must accept.

[willystylle]

Great post braddog10! You actually reminded me about the other facet of religion - spirituality. Kudos to you, as I'm not easily swayed.

I admit that I am a bit forward in my posts regarding God and religion. I just so disgusted at the way we have turned it and used it for personal and financial gain.

I regard myself as my own personal God. I have the power to create life. I have the power to take it. But most importantly I make my own desicions and in everyone else's eyes (including the eyes of the law) I am responsible for my own actions. (That's fine, just don't lump anyone elses on me!)

So when people who make shit in their life (and continue to do so) go to church to 'get forgiven', just so they can screw people again from Monday, I tend to lose my faith... in humanity. I am an aetheist because I don't like the idea of hiding behind God. So I choose to believe there is no God. Who are you going to hide behind now???

If people could realize that they are the cause of their own misery then at least the world would be a better place... not perfect, but better.

[Garden Knowm]

if any of you are so sure about your stance... and have the courage to test your MIND based OPINIONS... I encourage you to stay still.. just stay still and watch your mind... stay still... react to nothing... stay still... can you do this... can you watch the mind.. stay still..

behind the mind is what you ARE
... behind your thoughts and actions.. is... LIFE...

go ahead.. try it... don't be discouraged when you can't do it and realize you are a robot on auto pilot... with practice and focusing your awareness on your breath you will get a glipse at YOU... and then you will never have to talk about religion again..

you won't REACT anymore... you can become YOU

jesus did it...

iloveyou

[braddog10]

Great post braddog10! You actually reminded me about the other facet of religion - spirituality. Kudos to you, as I'm not easily swayed.

I admit that I am a bit forward in my posts regarding God and religion. I just so disgusted at the way we have turned it and used it for personal and financial gain.

I regard myself as my own personal God. I have the power to create life. I have the power to take it. But most importantly I make my own desicions and in everyone else's eyes (including the eyes of the law) I am responsible for my own actions. (That's fine, just don't lump anyone elses on me!)

So when people who make shit in their life (and continue to do so) go to church to 'get forgiven', just so they can screw people again from Monday, I tend to lose my faith... in humanity. I am an aetheist because I don't like the idea of hiding behind God. So I choose to believe there is no God. Who are you going to hide behind now???

If people could realize that they are the cause of their own misery then at least the world would be a better place... not perfect, but better.


Willy, I find that I agree with you in many ways, Certainly, using God, for personal gain is just another cheap trick of manipulation.

(That's fine, just don't lump anyone Else's on me!) I think I know what you mean, are you referring to laws?

Hiding behind God.... are you sure you are no less hiding behind atheism? I'm not trying to get a rise here, I question the difference. As Biblical Christianity goes, We are actually more free to be who we are, and the heart change from God, would wish no Ill upon anyone else.

Hiding behind anything? Hiding was always exposed in "the Book". Jesus made many references re: hiding especially as it related to religious people that He was in constant conflict with (self covering, sheep in wolfs cloths, behind whitewashed tombs), sounds like you and Jesus have a lot in common, or at least have the same beef. Be careful, you are at risk of hypocrisy your self.
I must also exorcise care.

These 6 passages of Isaiah 58, answer most of your protests.
People were doing outwardly religious things, (Fasting in this case)

Of the same religious people, God said, 6"Is this not the fast which I choose,
To loosen the bonds of wickedness,
To undo the bands of the yoke,
And to let the oppressed go free
And break every yoke?
7"Is it not to divide your bread with the hungry
And bring the homeless poor into the house;
When you see the naked, to cover him;
And not to hide yourself from your own flesh?
8"Then your light will break out like the dawn,
And your recovery will speedily spring forth;
And your righteousness will go before you;
The glory of the LORD will be your rear guard.
9"Then you will call, and the LORD will answer;
You will cry, and He will say, 'Here I am '
If you remove the yoke from your midst,
The pointing of the finger and speaking wickedness,
10And if you give yourself to the hungry
And satisfy the desire of the afflicted,
Then your light will rise in darkness
And your gloom will become like midday.
11"And the LORD will continually guide you,
And satisfy your desire in scorched places,
And give strength to your bones;
And you will be like a watered garden,
And like a spring of water whose waters do not fail.

This does not sound like a prick to me, he was pissed as you are ~ at the same ~

~ intolerance of others ~ clearly on either side, should be considered a Lt. shoe, and a Rt. shoe, of the same pair.


We must be very, very, careful.
Typically, when we accuse, we describe ourselves.

[braddog10]

I can't say whether or not that quote from Jesus is true, but it sounds mighty suspicious to me. There are a lot of fake "bible" quotes on the internet, and that one seems a little extreme in its wording compared to the other things he said.

Good to see you "D".
Jesus actually said some shocking things. Some I understand, to a point, Others - I don't very well at all.
Putting it back in the ch. it is located in clears up most questions clears up most questions
I would like to visit more. I should be off already.

Ever In Dallas I would hope you would email, Got a guest room, won't preach.

[Shelbay]

Sorry,I disagree. Although each religion has it's share of oppression,the Christian religion had MANY denominations. The main ones that were oppressive were NOT true christians,but CRUSADERS and Catholics of Roman Pagan origin. Remember the Council of Nicea and Constantine? TRUE christianity can be found here. www.christiansforcannabis.com So basically both Ganja man and xsw2 have a point. Hope this clears things up on both sides.
I remember the Council of Nicea..they voted on Jesus as the Son of God..and it was a close vote. Constantine was getting ready for battle against Maxentius but the night before the battle Constantine had his vision that changed not only his life but the history of Church also. He was praying to his pagan god when he saw with his own eyes the cross in the heavens and to use to safeguard him in battle against his enemies..Constantine won his battle against Maxentius fighting under his new banner-the image he saw in his "vision"..the cross. You seem to know the truth..oh and that God told him to make the likeness of the cross he had seen. Interesting post,haven't read where anyone on here has even mentioned the Council of Nicea.

[willystylle]

Hiding behind God.... are you sure you are no less hiding behind atheism?


I don't go around saying, "Hey I stole 20 bucks from an old lady to buy pot for the weekend, but tomorrow I'll go to church so God can forgive me and I don't go to hell."

If you're wondering - I actually quoted this, word for word, from a friend of mine's little brother who goes to church. At such a young age we teach our kids that no matter how much you fuck up, God will forgive him if you ask him to.

And people stop taking responsibility for their actions. Aetheism is not something I hide behind, but it gives me the freedom to explore the world around me. I do all the bad things the bible says don't do - but that fucking bible was written by MAN. Dispute all you want about whether its the 'word of God' or not - a MAN wrote that book, and MAN was responsible for translating it and MAN has published millions of copies.

As long as the laws were written by MAN, they are dogma, and nothing more.
God is not a best-selling author.

[braddog10]

I don't go around saying, "Hey I stole 20 bucks from an old lady to buy pot for the weekend, but tomorrow I'll go to church so God can forgive me and I don't go to hell."

If you're wondering - I actually quoted this, word for word, from a friend of mine's little brother who goes to church. At such a young age we teach our kids that no matter how much you fuck up, God will forgive him if you ask him to.

And people stop taking responsibility for their actions. Atheism is not something I hide behind, but it gives me the freedom to explore the world around me. I do all the bad things the bible says don't do - but that fucking bible was written by MAN. Dispute all you want about whether its the 'word of God' or not - a MAN wrote that book, and MAN was responsible for translating it and MAN has published millions of copies.

As long as the laws were written by MAN, they are dogma, and nothing more.
God is not a best-selling author.

the Kid has problems if he thinks he can continue in this behavior?
I'm not trying to pick a fight, not my intent at all. I enjoy talking with you on the boards. discussing what our conflicts or blocks are without taking offense, this could actually be enjoyable.

When I came on the boards at first, I was adversarial. I quickly realized how foolish that was. I see interesting people out there of which I may largely disagree. Any offensiveness on my part I apologize.

You too hold strong views, its cool. I can respect that

you can be pissed at what ever, no big deal. I usually only respond to comments made ~ where I feel that I can give a perspective from the other side. Not pointing fingers, as was mentioned in Isaiah, but, hopefully shed alittle light, from another light source.

Gods a big boy he can watch over it. It is also pointed out in it concerning "The Book " itself that we see thru a glass darkly. Referring to the Bible.

Pick it up tomorrow? Thanks for the response Willy
You matter more than your view.

[willystylle]

here here. Now I can say I agree with you 150%.

I enjoy these threads, if everyone keeps their cool, and realizes that these posts aren't (or shouldn't be) personal attacks, but rather just a point of view, even if its a strong one. I am not arguing with anyone about their religion, certainly not you, Braddog10.

It is refreshing to have a part in a mature discussion - but I have noticed that these discussions are limited to religious views, on these forums.

[beachguy in thongs]

Actually, Jesus wasn't always so peaceful.
Like Mr. D said, I think, either, Jesus or his stenographer was stoned.

[Shelbay]

There are 2 major divisions of the Bible...the Hebrew Scriptures and what Christians refer to as the New Testament. The Bible was written over a 1,500+ year span by more than 40 different authors from all parts of life so to speak ie: Moses was a political leader trained at the universities of Egypt:David was a Shepherd,musician & King:Joshua was a military general:Nehemiah was a palace official to a pagan king:Daniel was a pm:Luke was a Physician & historian:Paul was a rabbi etc..those are just a few. The Bible was also written in different places ie:The desert,a dungeon,a palace,a prison etc....There are 3 languages:Hebrew,Greek and a few short sections in Aramic which was "the common language" of Jesus' time. The Bible was written on 3 different continents at different times..The Bible is much more than a historical record..not saying parts are not history..they are but other parts of the Bible are poetry,proverbs,personal correspondence (yes its true),memoirs,law,prophecy,biography,autobiography ,parables & allegory..so I understand about people saying its mans word but i don't agree..considering that the Old Testament supports the Hebrew Scriptures as we know them today..they were collected & recognized long before Constantine possibly as early as the 4th century b.c. and for certain no later than 150 b.c. Malachi was written around 450 to 430 b.c. and Chronicles was written no later than 400 b.c. my point being that the books of the Old Testament were collected and translated into Greek NOT by the Vatican..not by Constantine & not even early Christians but more than a hundred years before Jesus' birth by a consensus of generations of Jewish rabbis and scholars..so in my view of the word definitive..that would be it.

[baisez le monde.]

jesus is a crock..

[willystylle]

What happened to his technicolor dreamcoat?

[beachguy in thongs]

jesus is a crock..

Out in SeaWorld, in California? No way!!!

[baisez le monde.]

you really make no sense sometimes.

[beachguy in thongs]

Yeah, okay. You're the one who said that Jesus was a "crock"odile!

[baisez le monde.]

haha. okay, i get it.

[Peach.Optimo.Bluntz]

BAH

[Peach.Optimo.Bluntz]

Why does every one have to question and nit pick at this guys beliefs?. Shit, hes not knocking on your door or wasting your time. I my self believe in Jesus christ, and GOD. If you dont believe then so be it, carry on dont try to come in here and try to rationalise hes beliefs, has he tried to with yours?. Religion isnt about Proof or necessarly even reasoning its self. Its about Faith. So just let the dude Preach about how he feels. shiiiiiiiiittttt...

[braddog10]

Why does every one have to question and nit pick at this guys beliefs?. Shit, hes not knocking on your door or wasting your time. I my self believe in Jesus christ, and GOD. If you dont believe then so be it, carry on dont try to come in here and try to rationalise hes beliefs, has he tried to with yours?. Religion isnt about Proof or necessarly even reasoning its self. Its about Faith. So just let the dude Preach about how he feels. shiiiiiiiiittttt...

Thanks Peach, I feel ya.......I NEVER preach to my friends. I started here simply because, there was a preoccupation from the other side. I find the atheist to be very religious. Its IRRELEVENT, which side of this issue, one sits. The religious level doesn't matter if the fish on the car is Christian or atheist. They are never the less, just preaching their own religious view.I don't know if any understand what I'm saying, Never the less, that changes nothing. I have simply responded to the criticism expressed here, on the most part. It's easy to throw out one line critical zingers, It requires many more words to defend or clarify, It's easy, to say hes preaching, or pulling out his chalk board, when they throw out their sermonets, daily. Hypocrisy?? Intolerance???

Intellectual honesty, on their part would be much more respected, they scream religious intolerance or hypocrisy, however, they don't see their own.

Thanks, I didn't know, that I had any one I could relate with, Came on today to check, responses, the final time.

[Stoner Shadow Wolf]

hey peach... just FYI, religion isnt about faith anymore. VERY few people understand the true meaning of faith. just thought i'd let you know...

[braddog10]

hey peach... just FYI, religion isnt about faith anymore. VERY few people understand the true meaning of faith. just thought i'd let you know...

Thanks Stoner, I'll look for ya when I'm back on.

[braddog10]

Oh, Sorry stoner, You said Peach. I thought you said preach.

[Peach.Optimo.Bluntz]

hey peach... just FYI, religion isnt about faith anymore. VERY few people understand the true meaning of faith. just thought i'd let you know...

unfortunetly this is true. I believe the most important thing in the end is your Faith and your acceptance.

[beachguy in thongs]

Why is that true? I think of a certain religion, and I can't give a shit. I think of someone who has faith and I can give a shit. Religion is the life or condition of a person in a religious order. Buddhist monks have faith.

[Peach.Optimo.Bluntz]

Faith is something u dont question, Faith is standing there when the world is coming apart and remaining calm because you know in the end that everything is going to be ok. Faith is believing with out questioning or doubt. Buddhism is a way of life. Half my family are buddhists.

[beachguy in thongs]

Are they monks, also?

[Peach.Optimo.Bluntz]

LoL maybe?. Some of them i dont even know, being all the way in the east and all.

[braddog10]

Interesting thing,..........Faith.

"Faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen". It is also referred to as ''a gift from God".

We don't have faith in a car that breaks down, to take it out of state. But, If it is solid and reliable, then our faith is more substantive.

The Patriarchs of old would often erect a pillar of stone, when and where God met them at a critical time................They went thru dry times, and probably doubt, But, they could look back to the pillars of stone, and say....... Man - God met me there, He did this then.

For me, My wife turns and says, "we need 50 Dollars, next day, acheck for $51..........heheheheh...ahhhhhhhhh. we were young and broke. This happened three times. I'll never forget.

The times he told me (not audible, you just know), to Liston to the next song..........(wasn't even playing yet)..........Sitting in my car, again, early 20's,......... married!,......... Kids!,......... wondering, What in the F**k to do.
Please excuse me, but that was a particularly tough time for us.
I still remember this song. One by the remnants of Lynard Skynard, first album after the plane crash, the message clearly ~ (capsule) "that - That you know to do, just do it - everything will work out Ok"........... I reflect on this almost daily, because I still need the peace it brings. I'll be 48 in Dec. I'll NEVER forget it. It's one of my pillars of stone. Do I have faith in God?......Damn right. Because He's faithful.

We must ask. "If we ask, we receive" and another "We have not, because we ask not".

What floors me in the Christian community, Is the claim (by some) that ~ Spiritual Gifts ~ are not for today. They don't see them , SO.....They claim that they don't happen today. They change their doctrine due to their own neglected prayers.....It's so freakin simple......... I look up some times and ask for a spirit of prophecy. Some times with tears. Not trying to be emotional here..........The point is: If we don't Ask. Can we bitch?.......and really be intellectually honest about it.

And Peach is right, Its a sermon......

Hey Peach, I hope you didn't misunderstand. I wasn't ranting about your preaching comment. I was just venting myself abit. Thanks,.By the way........your validation is very appreciated.

[Peach.Optimo.Bluntz]

cool braddog. im glad to see some one else that tokes and believes in god and jesus!. I grew going to a catholic private school till 5th grade. Untell i got kicked out of course because of my crappy grades.

I was also raised christian, not by my parents but my nieghbors, Through all my life ive had nobody. Parents divorced when i was in kindergarden. I got beat by my brother in law through my entire middle schoo because he was on all kinds of drugs and hated me for no reasonl. My dad was never home much. When ever i visited my mother, she was always drunk and getting her ass beat by her bf.

i wont keep going on but my point is one day i realised. I was sitting there depressed and in the dumps and then i realised... the Only person thats been there for me is God and jesus this whole time. From the day i was born, i was taught who god was and who jesus was.

The whole time i hated the world and was so angry. I realised some one has been standing there with there hands on my shoulder for this whole time.

I may not be a perfect person or a perfect christian. I smoke weed, I have a daughter at the age of 22 and im not married yet. I have tons of sins. But even though ill always remember who was there for me. And i will NEVER question my own faith or let any one EVER influence my faith. I know jesus is there. And i know when the time comes that every one else will realise.

[beachguy in thongs]

cool braddog. im glad to see some one else that tokes and believes in god and jesus!. I grew going to a catholic private school till 5th grade. Untell i got kicked out of course because of my crappy grades.

I was also raised christian, not by my parents but my nieghbors, Through all my life ive had nobody. Parents divorced when i was in kindergarden. I got beat by my brother in law through my entire middle schoo because he was on all kinds of drugs and hated me for no reasonl. My dad was never home much. When ever i visited my mother, she was always drunk and getting her ass beat by her bf.

i wont keep going on but my point is one day i realised. I was sitting there depressed and in the dumps and then i realised... the Only person thats been there for me is God and jesus this whole time. From the day i was born, i was taught who god was and who jesus was.

The whole time i hated the world and was so angry. I realised some one has been standing there with there hands on my shoulder for this whole time.

I may not be a perfect person or a perfect christian. I smoke weed, I have a daughter at the age of 22 and im not married yet. I have tons of sins. But even though ill always remember who was there for me. And i will NEVER question my own faith or let any one EVER influence my faith. I know jesus is there. And i know when the time comes that every one else will realise.

I was highly emotional during your post. And, then I thought that you had a 22 year-old daughter, I was like, "RIGHT ON!!!" :stoned:

You display faith that a non-believer would need to look up Freud in order to understand. Neil Peart wrote:

Things crawl in the darkness
That imagination spins
Needles at your nerve ends
Crawl like spiders on your skin

Pounding in your temples
And a surge of adrenaline
Every muscle tense - to fence the enemy within

I'm not giving in to security under pressure
I'm not missing out on the promise of adventure
I'm not giving up on impluasible dreams
Experience to extremes -
Experience to extremes

Suspicious-looking stranger
Flashes you a dangerous grin
Shadows across your window -
Was it only trees in the wind?

Every breath a static charge -
A tongue that tastes like tin
Steely-eyes outside to hide the enemy within...

To you - is it movement or is it action?
Is it contact or just reaction?
And you - revolution or just resistance?
Is it living, or just existence?
Yeah, you - it takes a little more persistance
To get up and go the distance...

Rush - The Enemy Within (Part I of Fear) Lyrics

[Peach.Optimo.Bluntz]

Thanks man. What do you mean by freud?

[braddog10]

cool braddog. im glad to see some one else that tokes and believes in god and jesus!. I grew going to a catholic private school till 5th grade. Untell i got kicked out of course because of my crappy grades.

I was also raised christian, not by my parents but my nieghbors, Through all my life ive had nobody. Parents divorced when i was in kindergarden. I got beat by my brother in law through my entire middle schoo because he was on all kinds of drugs and hated me for no reasonl. My dad was never home much. When ever i visited my mother, she was always drunk and getting her ass beat by her bf.

i wont keep going on but my point is one day i realised. I was sitting there depressed and in the dumps and then i realised... the Only person thats been there for me is God and jesus this whole time. From the day i was born, i was taught who god was and who jesus was.

The whole time i hated the world and was so angry. I realised some one has been standing there with there hands on my shoulder for this whole time.

I may not be a perfect person or a perfect christian. I smoke weed, I have a daughter at the age of 22 and im not married yet. I have tons of sins. But even though ill always remember who was there for me. And i will NEVER question my own faith or let any one EVER influence my faith. I know jesus is there. And i know when the time comes that every one else will realise.

Oh, God.......Your honesty,........ PEACH, This is much of what it means to "walk in the light as he is in the light", (1st John, Ch1). If we are honest about where we are, where we've been, what we are..... buddy, that verse in John continues "We will have fellowship with one another, and the blood of Jesus His son, continually cleanses us from all sin".

Some times we'll do better, some times - not, But, If we receive His Grace and mercy, we will continue to be changed.

We will have received much forgiveness, we will then contain it to give away.
See His heart. He says ~ look, I Love you Its cool, I desperately want you to receive my forgiveness, so that others that don't know it..........can have some,........ from you, and from me.......and also, by the way..........so your children won't suffer by your hand, as you did from .......your folks.

Its' late, Got to go..........You are an awesome man, look ~ don't sweat anything. Your young, with young, In the prophets........God says, re: these with young (he considers vulnerable), Don't screw with them, for their defender is strong. (Brad, Translation (revised)).

Sounds like more than an asswoop'n to me.

[beachguy in thongs]

Thanks man. What do you mean by freud?

It's a conditioned learning process from when you were very little. Sigmund Freud (who thought that all Our problems were of an unconscious sexual nature) developed a "structural theory". The superego being what you learned when you were very little.

And it stuck to you. That's why those song lyrics came to mind.

Here's some Freud:
http://encyclopedia.thefreedictionary.com/Freudian+psychosexual+stages
http://www.freudfile.org/
100 years of Sigmund Freud: http://www.positivehealth.com/permit/Articles/Regular/litt55.htm

[Peach.Optimo.Bluntz]

thanks guys. you know... its funny how i never really told very many people the history of my life. But i decided to tell a bounch of people on a board on the internet lol. You guys rock!.

[beachguy in thongs]

That's because, believe it or not, we are rocks. I'm sedimentary and braddog's conglomerate.

[braddog10]

That's because, believe it or not, we are rocks. I'm sedimentary and braddog's conglomerate.


You a Geology major there Beach? Had to look this one up.
It takes a very bright person to be as quick as you are with humor. And your metaphors.......if its humor or irony. I can only stand back and admire.

Sunday Pm. was sweet.

[beachguy in thongs]

You a Geology major there Beach? Had to look this one up.
It takes a very bright person to be as quick as you are with humor. And your metaphors.......if its humor or irony. I can only stand back and admire.

Sunday Pm. was sweet.


Thank you, braddog. :smokin: I took Geology at The College of St. Rose, in Albany, NY. A few years before, it was an All-Girls Catholic School, when I went there, it was an all-denomination, "bi-gendered" school.

[braddog10]

In my honest opinion,

The scientific explanation of the becomming of the world starting with primordial soup shit and, the fusing of a single cell to create blah blah blah



When i was learning it was much more understanding than,

He did it all in 7 days.

I understand how you feel, But, much of the bible is misunderstood, since in many places, the language used is eather figuative or poetic.

2nd Peter ch3 vs 8 But do not let this one fact escape your notice, beloved, that with the Lord one day is like a thousand years, and a thousand years like one day.

There's a lot of confusion over this. The Lord perfectly aged the earth in those figurative six days. There's a lot of numerology. God, also instituted a day of rest on the seventh day.

I hope this helps.

Oh, I have heard that secular researchers, now agree with the creationist, that a single cell is irreducible. Basically, a single cell requires the right balance and interrelationships of critical life chemicals, there's DNA, it's really very, very, complex. If any of these are missing, than the cell could not live. It's irreducible. The conclusion is really very simple that it would be impossible for a cell to just occur when the life balance is already sensitive.

They now agree, at least, that there had to be some intelligent designer. They may not agree with the biblical interpretation. But at least, they have conceded to what the creationist have insisted that someone, or "intelligent design" is behind it.

[poorprincess]

Oh we just sit deflated on our couch smoking marijuana ;) .

But guys, come one, stop indulging this asshole by responding to his threads. We all know he doesn't hope to accomplish anything other than getting people to start arguing.

agreed

[Mark Bryan]

What I never got is, if God is omnipotent, shouldn't Creation have been instant? If it took him 6 days to make the Universe, how do you know it's perfect? Maybe He rushed things a bit because he wanted a day off.
Actually,if you read psalms,it says a day is as 1,000 years and 1,000 is a day in heaven,so it actually took 6,000 years for earth to be created which makes more sense scientifically,when you start from the coolin' of the earth's outer manta (crust) to the creation of Adam. So on the seventh day,(for1,000 years)God rested.

[Euphoric]

http://www.freewebs.com/see_the_truth/Revelation.html

[LordSmaug]

Actually, Jesus wasn't always so peaceful.

That quotes real and a few people have asked me about it. I think he is saying that the division he's causing could be (for example) in a muslim household. Let's say that the daughter of the family converts to christianity, this of course would create division amoung the family and on a larger scale -as we see whenever we turn our t.v. on- war just for believing that jesus was the son of God.

[Mark Bryan]

http://www.freewebs.com/see_the_truth/Revelation.html
I think this is LEFTIST propaganda and is sooooooooooo EASY TO PROVE! YYYYYYAAAAAAAWWWWNNN! Lemme know when ya got somethin' INTERESTIN!

[smoky mcpot 05]

APART FROM HIM YOU CAN DO NOTHING

AMEN! :thumbsup:

[BCBUDBOY]

The sciptures don't say 6 days, they say 6 differnt times with a break between each one(loosely tanslated) it could be days weeks or even billons of years between. Has anyone read the whole Bible? I ask becuase I have a friend who preachs but has not even read the book?Does that make any sense.?

BCBUDBOY

[BCBUDBOY]

There is no mention of a day of rest in any of the oldest sciptures it is belived to have been added by a scribe(the Bible was copyied by hand before the invention of the press)who wanted a day off. BCBUDBOY

[Ichton Rubarb]

There is no mention of a day of rest in any of the oldest sciptures it is belived to have been added by a scribe(the Bible was copyied by hand before the invention of the press)who wanted a day off. BCBUDBOY

"Remember the sabbath day, to keep it holy. Six days shalt thou labour, and do all thy work: But the seventh day is the sabbath of the Lord thy God, in it, thou shalt do no work...'
I am by no means a well versed in the Bible , but yet I am puzzled by this small conundrum.
All other commandments start out by saying "Thou shalt not.."
And yet this one, the 4th one, starts with "Remember..."
Why remind someone of somthing unless, somday it may be forgotten.
:question:

[Oneironaut]

There is no mention of a day of rest in any of the oldest sciptures it is belived to have been added by a scribe(the Bible was copyied by hand before the invention of the press)who wanted a day off. BCBUDBOY
Oh really? Do you have copies of these "oldest scriptures"? Besides, even the oldest scriptures were written down after the legends had been passed down by oral tradition for many many centuries, so of course they should be taken with a grain of salt.

But it seems pretty clear that the ancient Jews did believe the world was created in six days. The world used in the earliest Hebrew writings we can find is indeed yom, which means "day". And the same earliest copies we have do contain lots of references to keeping every seventh day holy—this is no surprise, since a seven-day week was also observed by the Babylonians and it is likely the Jews borrowed the idea from them (and interestingly enough, the Jewish and Babylonian creation myths also have many similarities). The ancient Hebrews didn't exactly have expert geologists and astrophysicists, so there was nothing to suggest to them that the Earth as we know it took billions of years to form. Can you really blame them for guessing wrong?

[BCBUDBOY]

Or mabey its different because it was written by someone else.The are older writings than the one you quoted and they don't mention the sabbath BCBUDBOY

[BCBUDBOY]

I belive the Vatican has most of these,I read a book of translations,they took every verse in the Bible and gave 4 or 5 translations 2Greek 1 Hebrew one in the oldest recorded text,and one I don't recall. The chruch has offically changed the Bible twice.There are over onehundread cannonized(accepted as true) sciptures,the bible is made up of less than a dozen of them. BCBUDBOY

[FAllout]

APART FROM HIM YOU CAN DO NOTHING
So your saying the only thing I can do is Jesus?

[Oneironaut]

Or mabey its different because it was written by someone else.The are older writings than the one you quoted and they don't mention the sabbath
I'm really going to need a credible source before I believe that. The Old Testament is chock full of mentions of the Sabbath, many of which are central to the point of the story. And from what I can find, the Nash Papyrus is the name of the document which contains the earliest known record of the Ten Commandments, dated to about the second century BC, and it seems to include the commandment about observing the Sabbath.

http://faculty.gordon.edu/hu/bi/Ted_Hildebrandt/OTeSources/02-Exodus/Text/Articles/Burkitt-10Commands-JQR.htm

Could you please direct me to these older writings of yours? I think I'm going to believe the expert-Biblical-scholar-with-historical-documents guy before the Internet-message-board-posting-rumors-without-evidence guy on this one.

BCBUDBOY
Yes, that's you. I can see your name above your post too.

[Oneironaut]

It also seems the Dead Sea scrolls (not quite as old as the Nash Papyrus, but just about the oldest biblical fragments we have) mention the Sabbath:
http://www.openscrolls.org/cgi-bin/translate.cgi?dir=Allegro&page=32

[Immolation]

Sorry,I disagree. Although each religion has it's share of oppression,the Christian religion had MANY denominations. The main ones that were oppressive were NOT true christians,but CRUSADERS and Catholics of Roman Pagan origin. Remember the Council of Nicea and Constantine? TRUE christianity can be found here. www.christiansforcannabis.com So basically both Ganja man and xsw2 have a point. Hope this clears things up on both sides.


Define a "True Christian" .

[Immolation]

What I never got is, if God is omnipotent, shouldn't Creation have been instant? If it took him 6 days to make the Universe, how do you know it's perfect? Maybe He rushed things a bit because he wanted a day off.


And why did God need to rest? Does he get tired and need sleep?:confused:

[Immolation]

But, Jesus, myth or no myth, is "the way, the truth, the life". If the Earth was full of Jesus', there would be perfect peace.


How many Americans are Christian? 80% That is an overwhelming majority,shouldn't America be in better shape? and why are 99% of the prison population believers?

[Immolation]

I can't say whether or not that quote from Jesus is true, but it sounds mighty suspicious to me. There are a lot of fake "bible" quotes on the internet, and that one seems a little extreme in its wording compared to the other things he said.


Look it UP.

[Immolation]

Isaiah 45:7 " I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the LORD do all these things."

God creates Evil? check out this site http://www.skepticsannotatedbible.com/index.htm

[ReferMadness]

Religion should be banned. The human race will go into its next stage of development once religion is gone.

very true religion is just causing warz every single awr is about religion like the war going on now the so called "War on Terrorism" its all about religion the united stats wants to change there views on things and then you got the pakistans fighting back then being called terroist shit id be pissed to if i was getting a gun held to my head and being told to change my beliefs:cool:

[CultureCherryPopper]

here here. Now I can say I agree with you 150%.

I enjoy these threads, if everyone keeps their cool, and realizes that these posts aren't (or shouldn't be) personal attacks, but rather just a point of view, even if its a strong one. I am not arguing with anyone about their religion, certainly not you, Braddog10.

It is refreshing to have a part in a mature discussion - but I have noticed that these discussions are limited to religious views, on these forums.

When I read this post, I couldn't help notice willystylle had 666 posts. hmmmmm....willy, hidin' somethin' from us?

[jamstigator]

I'll define a 'true Christian' for you. It is someone who practices what Jesus preached. That is, absolute pacifism, under all circumstances. If someone hits you, turn the other cheek. If someone rapes your mother, turn the other cheek. And so on. He preached that violence against others is wrong, no matter what the circumstances are. Thus, there are really very few true Christians around, because most people believe in self defense and the like. There are many who talk the talk, but few who walk the walk.

[Immolation]

Jesus initially refuses to cast out a devil from a Syrophoenician woman's daughter, calling the woman a "dog". After much pleading, he finally agrees to cast out the devil. 7:27 Mark


KJV

Is that righteous?

[Hemp4billions]

Ok am i hypocritical or what????

If you are all that is Known to you, Your are all that is IT

It can be anything and everything, its the world the universe....

if you can be part of God, God can be found in you

If Jesus were here, wouldnt he look like you???

Jesus is in all our blood,

Jesus and his relgion of chrisitanity is all a metaphor, you people are closed mind when you say, religion is crap.... all religions have a core teaching....when you think basic knowledge you think Savior of the world., what you dont understand is that "JESUS WALKs" ..... YOU ARE HIM, FOR HE IS WITH YOU ALWAYS.... when you need his conselling you ask
when your nervous, your sad, you need soemthing....., you pray...

when the Lion king didnt know what to do, his father said look to the Skys''heavens' all the great kings are there for your conselling.... Hmmm so Washington, Jefferson.... all of these peoples spirits still co-exist, and well buddha's, jesus, and everyone elses would still be around

We of course are part of ONE SOUL.... we are one soul

If a glass of water is taken from the ocean, will it ever return????

Garden Knowm you should send me a message once i have enough post, you sound very intelligent....


THE BIBLE IS NOT FOR comparing hebrew form rome, or what the pope added....... its all spiritual lessons. Very kindergarden type stuff, but for the WISE

LOVE IT

[weirdo79]

Dont forget when Jesus said

"Do not think that I came to bring peace on the earth; I did not come to bring peace, but a sword. For I came to set a man against his father, and a daughter against her mother, and a daughter-in-law against her mother-in-law ..."

Doesnt sound very pacifist to me.

[Hemp4billions]

what passage did he say that??? Weirdo

[weirdo79]

The "full" quote, according to the NASB translation of the Bible, reads (Jesus speaking):

"Do not think that I came to bring peace on the earth; I did not come to bring peace, but a sword. For I came to set a man against his father, and a daughter against her mother, and a daughter-in-law against her mother-in-law; and a man’s enemies will be the members of his household." (Matthew 10:34-36 NASB)

The Lukan parallels read:

"I have come to cast fire upon the earth; and how I wish it were already kindled!" ... "Do you suppose that I came to grant peace on earth? I tell you, no, but rather division; for from now on five members in one household will be divided, three against two and two against three."... (Luke 12:49,51-53 NASB)
"If anyone comes to Me, and does not hate his own father and mother and wife and children and brothers and sisters, yes, and even his own life, he cannot be My disciple." (Luke 14:26 NASB)

And the related Gospel of Thomas 16 (non-canonical) (SV) reads:

"Perhaps people think that I have come to cast peace upon the world. They do not know that I have come to cast conflicts upon the earth: fire, sword, war. For there will be five in a house: there'll be three against two and two against three, father against son and son against father, and they will stand alone."


There ya go a little cut and paste job , you can find many others like it on wikipedia , in any library and on one of my fave sites (www.evilbible.com )
And all those essays on the aforementioned site were written by someone with a PhD in said theologies. So feel free to browse the forums as well. (although that chris guy is not the author many ppl claim he is without reading the names but the woman who did (gasp a woman! biblical scholar ;) ) is the one truly educated on the subject. But theres alot of biologists and such (like myself) in the forum especially on the evolution threads.

[Hemp4billions]

ok ok, not the bible version i read from, but good quotes.....

But how do you read the bible??? how do you try to disect Revelations, or the book of issaiah or daniel....

the bible is very metaphorically....

here i will show you

''For I came to set a man against his father, and a daughter against her mother, and a daughter-in-law against her mother-in-law; and a man’s enemies will be the members of his household." (Matthew 10:34-36 NASB)

what does this mean, Christ wanted us to be Evil????

No, the matter at hand is that evil already exist... and that dEVIL is in even our closest lovers, our family, how could we do soemthing and yell at them? well he says, i cannot bring you peace, but i can guranentee war....

ever go to a family renuion or thangsgviing party, and one family member talk alot of crap, then get himself in toruble and eventually start a fight, it happens, i am sure...

THe dEVIL is around, and is close to you, in public officals, EVEN FAMILY

you cannot kill what is always there

dualism is what the bible shows

Taoism is what IS.... i have read many, and found peace with taoism... its quite fascinating, bring that word up, and the whole room will be drawn to you, and people will become manifested with this greatful glare, like you have invoked this GREAT spirit.... sounds very native american, but what is GOD exactly?????

a supreme Being... something we cannot define, like a mushroom trip we cannot explain, but its a little icing from a wedding cake

love life, except the wrong...evil... and except the right puzzle peices... good, that happens in your day... your bound to see more tommorow or the next day... jsut say ahhh forget about it, i will see this problem again


In mongolia or some country people have vivid dreams, and when they have bad dreams, they hope and pray to have the bad dream again, so they may overcome the fear.... if we pray for bad... would less or more bad come...

never did it, just a weird question...

if youu expect bad, does it come???

Pray for me, and i will pray for you

JESUS WALKS, for I am HE... metaphorically... realisticly, iam the I AM,, and have my own kingdom to rule, its called MY LIFE, i rule it and make my own descisions, what more could i ask.... SHIVA surely can realte, and no wander we never wanna die... ever soul sits on our shoulders, if we die, they die...

if your brother dies, would your soul know him anymore... of course.
but your body physical shell wouldnt... thats where sadness come in

when i die, i take everyone.
when you die, you take me with you

LOVE IT

[Metasteel]

APART FROM HIM YOU CAN DO NOTHING

Dude, I have seen this same guy on other forums before. All he does is start Religion threads like this one in caps and then leaves them.

[Hemp4billions]

haha some people are nuts, and some realize there just a shell....

just believe!!!!

in what you like... if you like hot fire, then your ummm whats the word we say... condemed.

but if you liek fluffy clouds and gold, then you go to ummm the heavens...

but if you take what you get, you live on earth

make the best out of life

EXTREME!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


lol

Love IT man

[dankman]

im an atheist and in my opinion on god is that he is a make believe character that helps people believe that everything will be allright i say stop living ur life for "god" start living it for urself and ur family

[MelT]

What they fail to say is that Jesus said to follow the scriptures implicitly, word for word, as he did. The scriptures he's talking about are the Old Testament, written for Hebrews, not christians, and still used by Jews today in the Torah. The Jews are, if god's word is really true, the 'chosen people'. The second covenant god made with the world was for their protection and forgiveness and nothing to do with old JC.

But, like you said, this lame-ass posts everywhere.
MelT


And why do people like him only talk about one set of 'ten commandments' when there are at least two? Why not follow the other set?

[IanCurtisWishlist]

Jesus Christ was a good man. I wish more Christians would actually use his life as an example, not use his life for their own fucked up perverted cause. If you want to make money all you have to do is put "jesus is lord (TM)" on a product and all the christians will buy it. If you're a politician and you want people to vote for you, just proudly declare your Christianity and you've already got the Christian vote, regardless of what you will do for the country.

It's such a FUCKING CON, Christianity is. I have no problem with Jesus, but he's not the way no the truth nor the light. You don't have to worship Jesus to find heaven, when Jesus taught us how to find heaven and peace while living now on earth (by loving one another and leading a good life, which is what jesus ACTUALLY said one must do to attain heaven )...

I find it funny and ironic that Jesus states that the glory goes to his FATHER. Jesus never says "I am one part of a 3 part trinity, but i'm also the same god. i am god in the flesh and you must believe that i'm sacraficing myself for your sins on this cross. And if you refuse, you will burn in hell forever and ever and ever because now that we don't have a temple to make sacrafices in, there is no possible way one can atone for their sins."

The very idea of a god sacraficing his son to die for the sins of humanity is PURELY PAGAN. The original sabbath was Saturday. Why then do christians worship on Sunday? Worshiping on Sunday came from the pagan religion of Mithraism , which was replaced when Christianity spread through the Roman Empire. Ironically, before the idea of Jesus came about, the religion of Mithraism was very quite similar--Mithra died for your sins way before Jesus did (according to the religion).

Christians profess to worship Yahweh, god of the Jews in the Old Testament. In leviticus, it is written that nobody shall offer their child to the Lord as a sacrafice, because this is considered a GRAVE SIN--This is what the pagan arabs did to atone for their sins, and there was no room for pagan influence in biblical Judaism.. so even if Christianity was worshipping the one true god of judaism (the religion from which christianity stemmed from), then the fact remains that IF IT WAS ORIGINALLY AGAINST THE WILL OF YAHWEH (GOD, AKA THE FATHER) TO SACRAFICE YOUR CHILDREN TO ATONE FOR YOUR SINS, THEN WHY WOULD GOD HIMSELF SACRAFICE HIS ONLY SON FOR *OUR* SINS?

Christianity is a bunch of pagan nonsense, with it's roots in paganism--this is obvious as it was spread by the roman empire, which was originally pagan. obviously the theology will be mixed together. Christianity,before it became what it was today, was once considered a sect of Judaism, with belief in the only god of Judaism Yahweh. I'm pretty sure that even original christians rejects the supposed divinity of Jesus Christ. In Jewish thought, the Messiah was not someone who was to save them from their sins, but was someone who was to liberate Palestine from foreign rule and establish the earthly kingdom of david here on earth (most likely in jerusalem, according to jewish tradition)

Christianity-- It encourages people to close their mind, using the threat that if you refuse their fire and brimstone idea of god, then you'll burn in horrible and dreadful hell forever and forever and forever. I say that Christianity needs to be forgotten forever, good riddance!

Christians--I would suggest that you dig into the biblical roots of your religion,. and actually read your bible. Don't just know the scriptures from heresey, because if you're like most people, you can't distinguish between your preacher's personal political beliefs and what is written in your bible.

[MelT]

Good, good, posting Ian:)

MelT

[Oneironaut]

One thing I really really dislike about Jesus was how he taught that sicknesses were caused by demons that he could exorcise out of people. To this day, that lie is destroying people's lives. Surely if he was really divine he could have told us about the germ theory of disease, pushing medical knowledge over a millennium ahead of its time and saving countless lives. I'll worship Louis Pasteur over Jesus any day of the week. Jesus only supposedly cured a few dozen people; Pasteur has saved billions.

http://www.skepdic.com/faithhealing.html

[phantompowers]

Is that why people disciminate against the sick and disabled?.

[dankman]

im not telling anyone how to live their life thats why i said "my opinion"

[Oneironaut]

Well, actually...

i say stop living ur life for "god" start living it for urself and ur family
I agree with your atheism and all, but it seems you did overtly tell people to live their lives for themselves and their families instead of the magical sky wizard. And that's A-OK with me. :D

[Krogith]

if your serching for god he will help you because if your truely serching for god you will see the false religions of this day. Just because the christians of today are flase does not mean god is not to be found. Jesus tought us to love eachother and to preach and teach about our god Jehovah, once you realise what his message was you will see what religion is right. Jesus's message was that he was gods son redeming mankind for Adam's sin and that he was the best most perfect exsample of his father Jehovah who sent him. His message was that his day of rule was not yet but soon to come and now today we are seeing the fullfillment of his words of the Last days when his Father Jehovah will bring about armageddon and Jesus will rule the earth and bring it back to Peace and perfection.

[think green]

JESUS IS THE WAY ,THE TRUTH, THE LIFE. APART FROM HIM YOU CAN DO NOTHING

I reject your reality and substitute my own.

[ashighasucanget]

If youre not joking ? Youre a joke man, learn to think for yourself. Noah's arc for example, creation, moses spliting the redsea. All proven to be impossible by science.

[Kindbud]

Closed-minded opinion

[psychocat]

Open minded but to be honest you have as much chance of convincing me that there's a toothfairy or goblins at the bottom of your garden.

I think of the bible as the same as Aessops Fables good moralistic reading matter to a degree but for the most part a fantastic work of FICTION .

[ashighasucanget]

Yep, the bible is a group of stories , MEANT , not to be taken literally. That's exactly what these ignorants people do . Yeah, noahs arc actually existed ,it was 100000000 feet tall,and 2 of every single species of animal on the planet was on it ! What dumb dumb people eh , rofl !

[mrdevious]

Yep, the bible is a group of stories , MEANT , not to be taken literally. !

In which case I see no reason to believe its claim of a god could be taken literally or seriously either. The whole story of Jesus dying for our sins was based on the need for salvation from original sin, that of Adam and Eve. But lets face it, while the story of Jesus is one thing to believe, the story of Adam and Eve is too far fetched, and with more holes than swiss cheese to be believable.

BTW out of curiosity, is there any official explanation from the church, or somewhere else, as to how the Adam and Eve story could be true without the entire human race being the result of brothers and sisters having sex with each other?

[dankman]

goblins are forreal though i was chillin on my porch and opne came up and started singin poetry

[.undefined]

Ok, so I didn't read this whole thread and I don't even know if the original poster still posts here... but I've got a question for you if you do.

Why... why would you post something like it. All it does is perpetuate the all-too-familiar image of intolerant, ignorant, close-minded, devout Christians.

Stop. Think. RE-think. Post something useful. If you want to start a religious discussion, bring something valuable to the table instead of just blurting out something which might offend believers of other faiths.

And if you're just here to start shit, then spare us.

[IseektheTruth]

hey undefined are you just running aroung trying to build your posts up? find something atleast semi interesting then replying to get the numbers up?!?! i got the same idea going tonight!

[.undefined]

Not even! I just like the boards more than I had anticipated. :D :D :D

You kids are all so great. There are so many good threads to reply to. I just can't help it, honestly, lol. I mean there are so many pointless threads too but those are just as great.

And you've got to admit, it's not like I'm making useless posts or anything. My shit has content! I'm legit. :thumbsup:

Hell, I've helped numerous people out already, and I've only been posting for like 2 hours. Check out the LUI thread. I rocked that one.

:dance: :dance:

[IseektheTruth]

For Sure. I feel you, i didnt think i would find so many interesting Topics.
I smoked my whole stash looking through these forums.. Now im dry :(

[psychocat]

Not even! I just like the boards more than I had anticipated. :D :D :D

You kids are all so great. There are so many good threads to reply to. I just can't help it, honestly, lol. I mean there are so many pointless threads too but those are just as great.

And you've got to admit, it's not like I'm making useless posts or anything. My shit has content! I'm legit. :thumbsup:

Hell, I've helped numerous people out already, and I've only been posting for like 2 hours. Check out the LUI thread. I rocked that one.

:dance: :dance:

Methinks you should stop trying to define what is and what isn't pointless, it may seem that way to you but tell me how you garner information and opinions without asking?

Getting back to the post I have to say that I question all faiths and find most religious zealots to be self obsessed.

[Mark Bryan]

Define a "True Christian" .
To make a long one short,it would be free of any paganism,hypocrisy,violence of any kind except in self defense or justice for the oppressed,someone who could be considered a hero or patriot!

[Mark Bryan]

Isaiah 45:7 " I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the LORD do all these things."

God creates Evil? check out this site http://www.skepticsannotatedbible.com/index.htm This site takes too many things to name out of context! It would be a waste of TOO MUCH TIME to name them all!

[Mark Bryan]

I'll define a 'true Christian' for you. It is someone who practices what Jesus preached. That is, absolute pacifism, under all circumstances. If someone hits you, turn the other cheek. If someone rapes your mother, turn the other cheek. And so on. He preached that violence against others is wrong, no matter what the circumstances are. Thus, there are really very few true Christians around, because most people believe in self defense and the like. There are many who talk the talk, but few who walk the walk.

WHOA! Jesus never condemned self defense and turnin' the other cheek was basically mentioned more as an act of kindness,meanin you DON'T HAVE to hit back if you don't want to! He DIDN'T say if your mother was raped to do NOTHIN'! Turnin' the other cheek is supposed to be out of kindness and compassion,not bein a liberal leftist WIMP! Someone walks up and punches me in the face for NO REASON is gonna get his head bashed against a nearby tree or brick wall! If I see'em hittin' a real pretty girl in the face,I'm gonna BREAK HIS NOSE and kick in a kneecap! Turnin the other cheek is CIRCUMSTANTIAL not unconditional!

[Mark Bryan]

Jesus initially refuses to cast out a devil from a Syrophoenician woman's daughter, calling the woman a "dog". After much pleading, he finally agrees to cast out the devil. 7:27 Mark


KJV

Is that righteous? Usin' the dog was a parable or metaphor concernin' a GENTILE meanin' it is not always good to share the gospel with a Gentile or Atheist,to which she responded:Yet the dogs eat the crumbs from off the master's table,which means SOME Gentiles or atheists hear ENOUGH of the gospel to become hungry for more and be converted! This woman was ALREADY converted by what she heard and saw and was convinced and desparate to the point that Jesus himself MARVELLED :eek: at her persistence and was taught BY HER that his message was for the Gentiles as well! Sometimes even the MASTER needs reproof and correction and Jesus recognized this and was humbled by her faith! That's why he said WOMAN GREAT IS YOUR FAITH! Go in peace,your daughter is healed!:thumbsup:

[Mark Bryan]

Dont forget when Jesus said

"Do not think that I came to bring peace on the earth; I did not come to bring peace, but a sword. For I came to set a man against his father, and a daughter against her mother, and a daughter-in-law against her mother-in-law ..."

Doesnt sound very pacifist to me.

Well Jesus knew his teachin's would OFFEND some and win others,that's why he said that! Some would believe,some would become his enemies!

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Methinks you should stop trying to define what is and what isn't pointless, it may seem that way to you but tell me how you garner information and opinions without asking?

Getting back to the post I have to say that I question all faiths and find most religious zealots to be self obsessed.
Easy there big fella. The pointless threads to which I was referring are like these:

http://boards.cannabis.com/showthread.php?t=82948

http://boards.cannabis.com/showthread.php?t=82929

And I'll garner information and opinions all I want, thanks. No disrespect intended at all, honestly.

[Krogith]

Get to know Jesus and you will get to know Jehovah God his Father. Thoses understanding Jesus's Death and knowing how it gives us a chance to be able to live forever on a paradice Earth where all sin is distroyed. We need to Draw Close to our creator Jehovah god and keep his commands. Thoses who draw a sword will die by it. Pratice peace, love and kindness to your fellow man. Satin is in control of the goverments of the world do not put your faith in mankind. The devil has but a short peroid of time left and hes trying to devower everyone along with him, don;t give into his hate or greed.