In need of a diagnosis

[slowthestone]

I've been looking high and low for what's happening to my girls...haven't yet found anything that matches what I've got happening. Its not a crisis just yet so I'm needing some sage advice before taking any action.

It's a soil grow, 100% organic nutes so far... 10 days into 12/12.


The curling began 5 days ago. Its been a localized event so far, only hitting a bit less than a 1/3 of the branches. I'm miffed on account of the other parts of the plant are looking a-ok, as well as any wilting branch's flowers are coming in right on cue.


Root bound? Well...would that account for the rest of the plant seeming healthy?

Copper deficiency? If so, whats a product to pick that would have copper in it?

pH? Taking pH readings of the soil yields mixed results. If I could map it, there'd be variying degrees of pH througout the container. Generally though, the deeper the probe gets, the lower the pH.


Does she even need the smaller fan leaves now that flowering has begun? Would I be a complete butthole if I just snip them off?

[iwantFUEGO]

so your earlier fan leaves are curling?
I'm interested in hearing what others have to say about this.

[slowthestone]

Sorry...I had thought the pic uploaded.

And negative, its the upper leaves that are curling. [attachment=o71000]

[BOYZNUS]

LOOKS VERY MUCH IN NEED OF A DRINK OF WATER. IMO

[Pothead4204life]

or maybe too much water

[slowthestone]

The soil is damp, not soggy or oversaturated.

[orangeman]

Maybe it's too much water..how good is the drainage and how often is it that you need to water your plant? If your plant is still moist and they are drooping then maybe your giving them too much water?

[slowthestone]

I water every other day. I split 1 liter of 1/4 strength nuted water into 4 separate watering times.

I've just done enough poking around in the soil to know that its moist throughout. (who needs a moisture reader when a chopstick does the trick!)

Maybe this is pertinent , the plant is 1 of 4 in the same container. The other three plants are looking tip top.

[slowthestone]

By moist I mean, like...Duncan Hines cake moist. It's not at all wet/soggy/muddy.

Drains fine the times I flushed it out.

[Shallow Hal]

stick u finger into the soil about 2 inchs if it wet there too . i would have said give her a drink . 3 plants under 2 x 600 watt hps and i need to water them nearly every day . what i would suggest is to flush ur plant with 3 times the amount of water that ur pot will hold ... ie 5 ltr pot 15 ltr of water or till the water runs clear outta the bottom of ur pot . also if ur thinking the pots too small then u have a good idea urself its not good enuff so get a bigger 1 any way ( can do any harm imo ) also in ur 1st water at sum h2o2 ( hydrogen preoxide ) and about a teaspoonfull of epsom salts to about a gallon of water and water with this . next water ur continue with ur blooming feed slightly diluted

[slowthestone]

So I flushed the container. Had to do some digging to get the probe deep enough to realize a pH in the woods of 4.0, not cool!

I started out flushing with hydrated lime, then plenty of water, and finished off with several gallons of 1/4 strength blooming nutes. (i've dipped into non-organic help)

Lights are out. I've no green bulb either dammit! I'm putting that on a list asap!

So yeah, stuck keeping my fingers x'd till morning.

[slowthestone]

2 days later...no better, no worse.

[slowthestone]

Tomorrow is 3 days since the last flush...if I don't see an improvement in her health...when is the earliest I could/should do another flush without bug'n her out?

[slowthestone]

Yep...no change.

Leaves still curled...pistils still pop'n...I really hope she turns around before running out of juice.

[iwantFUEGO]

you said the plant is in one container along with 3 other plants?

[Jdog7000]

Sounds like you used some crappy soil.
The soil is just as important as the nutes and the genetic's of the strain.
Itr sounds like your sooil is clumped together if you are getting mixed ph readings.
What kind of soil?

[Opie Yutts]

I water every other day.

This is too much water in soil, unless you have packets of moisture absorber in the dirt. I suspect your plants are suffering from overwatering. Let your soil almost completly dry out before watering. People say I shouldn't do this because it causes stress, but I let my mother plants tell me when they need water by showing a little droop.

At any rate it looks like a moisture problem. Maybe too little but I doubt it.

[busteruk7]

too much heat can do this what is ya temps like in the grow room
cheers all :)

[slowthestone]

The temp reading right in front of the plants sticks tween 76-78.

I raised the container up...cut some large drain holes...took a pH reading...I'm confident know that the soils pH is consistent top to bottom, problem is...the reading from the bottom was a disturburbing 4.2.

Flush till it raises?

Theres root growth all along the bottom of course...but at two weeks into
12/12...(which btw I didnt begin until the 60th day of veg growth) Should I really be all that concerned about possible root bound with 6 weeks of 12/12 to go? A repotting would be a big time pain, I could get it done though if I feel its needed.


btw folks...big time thanks for any and all bits and tips of info here.

[slowthestone]

5 days...still no change. I'm stuck between wanting to flush again...or waiting another day and hope for a turn around.

I mean, the leaves are curled, but the flowers are still popping up all around.

So...what to do?